hoi4-general

[eternal palm]

I assume then you never played historical mp?

[unique crag]

so i cant take south america?

[wanton whale]

wait no mb

[unique crag]

what if i do it before clicking stuff on the message?

[wanton whale]

It's if the SA countries become commie

America gangs on them

[haughty basalt]

weak germany

[unique crag]

So like, what if i cap them before i have to click an option from the monroe doctrine message?

[meager valley]

Irrelevant to the conversation thx. “I assume you do something different in a completely different situation” like no shit 💀

[unique crag]

Can i get away with it?

[wanton whale]

🤷‍♂️

[eternal palm]

I'm asking a genuine question lol no need to get all defensive

[meager valley]

Bro obviously SP builds aren’t the same as MP or historical RP

[polar vault]

Ngl I've had the most fun with support roles in hoi4

[paper echo]

mp sucks you cant change my mind

[eternal palm]

I take that as a no. Highly unfortunate. You do actually have more hours than me by about 800 I thought u wouldn't get comfortable. MP could still teach you a thing or two

[paper echo]

especially if one of them has an awful device

[meager valley]

I played MP a lot when I had 2000-3000 hours but got bored of it

[paper echo]

i dont wanna have to play 30 mins just for 6 months to pass

[meager valley]

It’s just meta chasing nonsense

[wanton whale]

People sweat too hard in MP

[eternal palm]

That's not nonsense. Being the best at something, or trying to be is isn't nonsense

[meager valley]

It legit isn’t skill but just meta builds and feeding majors, and microing everything

[wanton whale]

Sometimes you just want a casual alt hist game and literally everybody goes their historical route because they want to be op

[meager valley]

“Being the best” bro it’s legit just rinse and repeat metas 😭

[paper echo]

people talk about meta but if it works, it works

[wanton whale]

This guy gets it

[hollow narwhal]

why does ai france on historical never do defensive strategems

[eternal palm]

Such is the fate of non historical games 😔

[unique crag]

what yall think?

[paper echo]

if i find the cheesiest method why wouldnt i use it

[wanton whale]

"Defensive Strategems" Bro's boutta drop an Autocannon

[meager valley]

I like variance in gaming tbh. Multiplayer lacks it imo

[paper echo]

im a number 1 port cheese fan

[eternal palm]

That's what being the best means though. Repeating the same thing over and over again. If you don't like it that's fine but that's what it takes no

[wanton whale]

I know a lot of cheese but I don't really use it unless I go against some really egotistical player

[heavy vigil]

This is gen chat not ask for help

[meager valley]

It’s literally just the same plays every game

[paper echo]

on mp i just play regular.on sp i just do any cheesy stuff i find

[meager valley]

Then meta changes, and becomes the same plays again and repeat

[heavy vigil]

Let people do their thing in gen chat theyre not asking for help :>

[eternal palm]

Can I not have this conversation here lol?

[heavy vigil]

No you can

Im just saying

[wanton whale]

oh yeah ofc, on SP you just do the most cheesiest thibg you can but in MP you just play and have a good time (Until some guy ruins it)

[heavy vigil]

Probably shouldnt give it any care

[wanton whale]

I nearly did the missclick of the century on my gif collection 🙏

[paper echo]

i only play mp with my friend and we are mostly allies or neutral so i just fight off the ai so idk much about mp games

[meager valley]

Strategic locations gonna hit diff

[paper echo]

whats that

[meager valley]

In new dlc, strategic locations

[wanton whale]

Yeah I do the same. It's fun but, sometimes I play MP but, never ever MP in the Hoi4 server, it's normally a hell hole

[meager valley]

Makes taking certain areas worth

[paper echo]

i feel like new dlc is gonna make players think its a different game

[paper echo]

i can imagine

[meager valley]

Unless it’s an arranged RP game, it’s generally nasty.

[wanton whale]

Swearings allowed on this server right? Because I swear i've been warned on this server before for it but I could be miss-remembering.

[wanton whale]

Yeah

[paper echo]

i dont think so

[meager valley]

Should kinda streamline the games ig

[polar vault]

I love support roles since I sent some expeditionary forces as brazil and now I have land in asia

[heavy vigil]

Some

Others get autobotted

[wanton whale]

Schitze is allowed?

I think that's how it is spelled in German

idk

[soft tendon]

why the hell wont they let me release as a new puppet

[eternal palm]

Thats not a word in german.

I would now.

What u trying to say

[paper echo]

i wp with the others cuz i couldnt be assed

[wanton whale]

Lemme translate rq and figure out how it's spelt rq

[wanton whale]

Scheiße

[eternal palm]

Well different language lol

But there is a rule about english only

[wanton whale]

(I'm still learning German, cut me some slack 🙏)

[eternal palm]

So that solves it

[wanton whale]

Yeah

[paper echo]

whats yall top 3 nations in hoi4

[paper echo]

mine is ussr poland and idk the 3rd one

[meager valley]

Like top 3 we enjoy?

[paper echo]

yeah

[wanton whale]

UK
USSR
France

[paper echo]

FRANCE?

[eternal palm]

USSR, Chile, France

[paper echo]

pls dont tell me historical france

[wanton whale]

It's my fav MP nation because I piss off a lot of MP players by actually doing a hold france

[eternal palm]

Historical France is cool

[meager valley]

Germany
Spain
France

[paper echo]

yeah but its a pain in the ass 😭

[eternal palm]

Now that is a skill issue

[wanton whale]

a host once tried to force me to retreat into africa because I was pushing the German player back (They had Romania and Hungary cored to make the game 'fair')

[paper echo]

i can survive as historical france,ive done it before but its annoying

[eternal palm]

If France pushes Ger thats genuinely a ger skill issue

[meager valley]

Top 5 though

1. Germany
2. Spain
3. France
4. Brazil
5. England

[eternal palm]

like ger can just declare in march 39 and completely ruin france

[paper echo]

i did it when i had like 600 hours.now it will probably be way easier

[wanton whale]

I legit have a clip

[sudden thistle]

Shoe

[wanton whale]

It has some swears but everyone in this server should be over 13 so it shouldn't be offensive

[sudden thistle]

Show

[paper echo]

so did you retreat or you kept pushing?

[paper echo]

https://tenor.com/view/shoe-nike-design-shoe-spin-gif-17074872

[eternal palm]

Lobby closed>>>>>>

[wanton whale]

German player eventually won by attrition since they had 2x more manpower than us and just kept throwing men at us until we had no more equipment or manpower. the host was UK and had horrid planes

SO WE PUSHED WITH 0 AIR DOMINANCE

[paper echo]

they won the game or just against you?

[wanton whale]

They didn't even fully cap us

[paper echo]

alr

did he do barbarossa

[wanton whale]

They just took paris and called it a win

[paper echo]

💀

[wanton whale]

Nope, he was fully locked in on us

[paper echo]

how does one not cap france

[wanton whale]

With Romania and Hungary cored

[sudden thistle]

Poor Soviet player

[wanton whale]

*players

[paper echo]

i remember one time i had a good air and i wasnt pushing cuz i forgot to set it on day/night cycle 💀

[wanton whale]

We've all done that

[paper echo]

ive done it multiple times

[wanton whale]

Btw we sunk the whole italian navy

[paper echo]

good

[wanton whale]

Hence why we were doing convoy raiding

[fringe shell]

why hitler why

[paper echo]

i once played mp as germany and the soviet player spammed some 10 strength units and focused on air and he had like 20k cas and fighters when barb happened so you know what happened after

[wanton whale]

What

[meager valley]

Stinger ManPads?

[paper echo]

whats that

[paper echo]

my army got demolished due to cas damage

[paper echo]

i managed to survive till 1945 somehow

[paper echo]

do these exist in hoi

[wanton whale]

crazeh

[meager valley]

Lowkey but naw

The anti air rockets are terrible

[wanton whale]

Isn't the stinger primarily used against drones now 🙏

[paper echo]

who else loves it when their army decides to redeploy randomly and the enemy stars pushing

[wanton whale]

Field marshal frontline

[meager valley]

Doubt, unless it’s a large drone

[paper echo]

thats what i do

[meager valley]

Stinger was really good against helicopters and aircraft

[wanton whale]

E.G MQ-1 or Orion drone

[paper echo]

but sometimes my army just says "nah we have to redeploy" and it pisses me off

[wanton whale]

Shift+Click for the order?

[paper echo]

what order

front line?

[meager valley]

Most drones get ate by shotguns or drone guns

[wanton whale]

Fair

[wanton whale]

yeah

[paper echo]

no

[meager valley]

The forbidden store checkout blaster

[paper echo]

what does it do

[wanton whale]

Assigns all of your generals to just one frontline instead of seperate general frontlines

[paper echo]

oh ok

in my 1635 hours i never knew about this

[wanton whale]

You learn something new everyday

[paper echo]

i also learnt that i wont play east showdown mod ever again

im not doing that mistake ever again

the stuff it has is a mix of the fire rises and millenium dawn

and the lag of tno

well its way worse than tno

[wanton whale]

lol

[paper echo]

its confusing

[hoary knot]

the war has finished

[paper echo]

nice

w

[hoary knot]

thx

[paper echo]

and its the type of mod where it has 300 equipment types for 1 unit

this mod is pretty easy ngl

and its kinda broken

[wanton whale]

Blackice :3

[paper echo]

im NOT gonna play this

i played as greece just to see how it is

i refuse to play this as a major

[trail beacon]

I’ll take three

[wanton whale]

lol

Yeah neither

[meager valley]

Puts them on the front of your car so if someone cuts you off you just fry them

[simple citrus]

guys

help

what do i do

[trail beacon]

I would only use for good (against government overreach)

[meager valley]

Might need more than 3 then

There is quite a bit of that globally 😂

[simple citrus]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/echidna-anime-gif-18161374

101K FIGHTERS

HOW

WHEN

WHY

WHAT THE FCUK

[gentle grail]

fixed europe

[trail beacon]

I’m so glad I realised I could drag a box over my air instead of selecting them all individually.

[sudden thistle]

I mean black ice isn’t hard to just a lot of pausing

[simple citrus]

wanted to hate but hey atleast you kept italian monarchy :DDDD

[meager valley]

Dividing air into different theaters helps too

[trail beacon]

I don’t like the shading. I’m sorry.

[gentle grail]

thats a loc error

[simple citrus]

...

don't you dare

[meager valley]

Lowkey wish you could deploy air to an air zone and they’d auto choose airports. Without attaching to divisions

[gentle grail]

they are infact NOT a monarchy

[meager valley]

Or better yet assign air to field marshals

[gentle grail]

im chillin with it tbh

[simple citrus]

...

......

[paper echo]

"czechoslovakian" and it only has czechia

[gentle grail]

memes

its only in thought

plot twist: slovaks were deported to czechia since hungary settled in slovakia

[paper echo]

i made this yesterday accidentaly

[paper echo]

i puppeted both czechia and german bohemia

[trail beacon]

I like the solid colours. It’s very clean. But the shading for terrain kills it for me. It reminds me of low quality shading on degenerate deviant art comics.

[gentle grail]

fair

its a nice political mapmode but not much for close range

[simple citrus]

solid?

[gentle grail]

i wish hoi4 had dynamic map graphics like other paradox games

[stark rain]

Guys help me please I have no Idea what to do next to fix this disaster 😭

[paper echo]

i once did this

[simple citrus]

bitt3rsteel

[simple citrus]

this makes me want to kill myself

[gentle grail]

i cant prove it but i like to think he cheats

cuz he too good

i could never be him

[simple citrus]

onion

https://tenor.com/view/onion-gif-21437964

[stark rain]

Bruh

[paper echo]

i also have this

[stark rain]

I didn't even cheat

[sonic sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-gif-16362445421478761717

[trail beacon]

Poland is surprisingly effective at fighting the Soviet’s

[simple citrus]

oh hey atleast plc and german empire are back

[sonic sand]

i know a german guy

named mario

[paper echo]

it was mp and germany puppeted plc and we just gave whatever we didnt want to plc for fun

[sonic sand]

after the mario brothers

[unique crag]

11Apr 1940

[sonic sand]

so a german guy, named after an italian from a japanese video game

[trail beacon]

I won my first MP barb last night

[paper echo]

nice

[sonic sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870446544455864330/1419197517798572172/IMG_0403.gif

[trail beacon]

He had a million divisions on the Stalin line

[paper echo]

british britain

[trail beacon]

Based beamng.drive friend

[paper echo]

"european" and it doesnt even have the european parts

[paper echo]

yeah

i also have this

i also got this on md one time

really strange path

it was talking about some egyptian priests on all focus descriptions

finally found them

[trail beacon]

The world if Kony 2012 was successful.

[wanton whale]

Not enough

More planes

[sonic sand]

how do you have -314 political power

how do you lose

so

much

[trail beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[paper echo]

idk

it was taken a while ago

fascist

[sonic sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-breakdance-gif-26100320

[wanton whale]

https://tenor.com/view/fact-checked-yuuri-girls-last-tour-fact-check-true-gif-2477653347382223384

[simple citrus]

147k planes
that more than enough

[sonic sand]

so peak

[sonic sand]

wait i got one for this

[wanton whale]

No it isn't, you need 1 million

[paper echo]

thats also an old pic

[wanton whale]

You need to CAS every blade of grass

[paper echo]

socialism

[trail beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/x-and-y-allies-gif-24893068

[sonic sand]

a constitutional monarchy

[paper echo]

i remember that

[simple citrus]

ищдшмфкшфт мутуягудф цшер ыфззщкщ фы сфзшефд сшен, рщдн ырше икгр

агсл

[sonic sand]

greek rambling

calm down you're going to summon a deity

[simple citrus]

i forgot to switch my keyboard

stop with the 67 bruh

https://tenor.com/view/echidna-anime-gif-18161374

[paper echo]

that game still pisses me off

[paper echo]

france decided not to defend tiles so that got me capped too

[trail beacon]

Are you from the pre mud flood tartarian empire?

[simple citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-stare-gif-10183112911298969236

[sonic sand]

this world will be given mercy when it is bathed in holy fire and all of us fail to ascend to heaven when the rapture eventually happens.

[paper echo]

french classic

not defending its borders

[tiny iris]

I don't think I will ever play the civil war path again.

[paper echo]

little did i know that turkey was gonna join stressa front..

[sonic sand]

i don't undestand why TFR players think this minimalistic look actually looks like something other than the worst thing i have ever seen

[paper echo]

the map?

[sonic sand]

yea

it looks terrible

[paper echo]

i used to like it

now i use tno

way better imo

[sonic sand]

all the maps LOOK THE SAME

they all look TERRIBLE

[fringe shell]

when i see this i already know im aint getting a shit

[paper echo]

still better than shits like fps map

well that one is excluded

[sonic sand]

its the only reason why I DON'T PLAY MODS

[paper echo]

thats for fps

[sonic sand]

THE MAPS LOOK

LIKE SHIT

[paper echo]

you should see iron curtain map

[sonic sand]

genuinely an assault on my eyes

[paper echo]

thats iron curtain map

🤢

[sonic sand]

OH MY GOD

oh wait

nvm

that one just needs to have

like

the colours toned down a little

and more clear borders

[paper echo]

if you play the mod your eyes will hurt when you look at the map

[sonic sand]

that one is fixable at least

[paper echo]

what is bad about tno map lol

[sonic sand]

i too enjoy reading

[paper echo]

when i took the pic i think i had full render res off

cuz i had a bad pc

[sonic sand]

ye but its funny

[paper echo]

yeah

[sonic sand]

the water is literally the void

[paper echo]

except the water,do you like the rest?

[sonic sand]

not just that

[paper echo]

i agree with the water

idk why its the void

[sonic sand]

the font on the countries looks like ass

[paper echo]

i like the font

and the colors but the tno map mod doesnt have the tno country colors

[sonic sand]

and they are trying SO HARD to look cool and 80's retro vaporwave with the slightly dull but still vibrant colors

and it looks

LIKE SHIT

[paper echo]

im so used to tno map that when i play vanilla map my eyes hurt 💀

[sonic sand]

like

I use

light mode for things

okay

[paper echo]

light mode?

[sonic sand]

im kinda insane when it comes to this type of stuff

[sonic sand]

yes

besides discord i use light mode on everything else

[storm pulsar]

How is this battle y'all

[paper echo]

i always use dark mode

[sonic sand]

chopped

[paper echo]

i even have a browser extension that turns all sites to dark

cuz some arent dark

[sonic sand]

like heres the thing

I use light mode

it is not very hard to make my eyes happy

I don't really care for like looks

unless it looks terrible

and for whatever reason

every hoi4 mod in existence

forget that the map needs to LOOK GOOD

[sonic sand]

over looking for the time

[sonic sand]

this is what im talking about

WHAT IS THAT

[paper echo]

idk 😭

its so bad

made me not wanna play the mod

the mod is tiberium alert

[sonic sand]

like okay

[paper echo]

and the ui is worse

[sonic sand]

i get

the cool 80s vaporwave style for a cold war or post cold war thing

but

like

[sonic sand]

cmon

[sonic sand]

my favourite part of history

when the poles rushed into the soviet union

[solar tundra]

i am germany

[paper echo]

i like the maps when they arent very bright

[solar tundra]

:3

[sonic sand]

and?

[paper echo]

or neon

[solar tundra]

leading the battle from finland and through poland

[paper echo]

why even put neon ui on your mod it sucks

[sonic sand]

it sometimes ends up looking like a GOD DAMN PAINT GRENADE WENT OFF ON THE MAP

frick painting the town red

lets paint the whole world red

[paper echo]

i would rather play black ice as france than play a mod with neon ui

[normal galleon]

canada run

early usa is such a pushover

[crystal nacelle]

After all you are dealing with a great depression USA

[crystal nacelle]

Did you do Danzig for Slovakia?

[solar tundra]

my first time ever doing military stuff in this game

[solar tundra]

what is that

[hollow mortar]

the national focus

did you pick "Danzig for Slovakia?"

[solar tundra]

no i don't want to be mean

[crystal nacelle]

Wait are you playing historical?

[solar tundra]

yes

[crystal nacelle]

I see

[sonic sand]

peak

[solar tundra]

italy is now attacking me

[tiny iris]

I love ahistorical. I am in this never ending world war as Tsarist Russia and its just so much stuff going on.

I think its fun.

[patent thistle]

is it just me or do i look like some oversized oklahoma-

[hollow mortar]

haha depends on how long that drags on for

[tiny iris]

I am telling you rn, no one will win this. None of us got the men or equipment to end the war.

We are just fighting and letting our men die in vain.

[patent thistle]

.

[hollow mortar]

this is a tragedy

[wet plover]

I hate that I can’t force the captured French men across the Sahara desert 😔

[safe wing]

They are until 1942

[lapis grove]

piratring is very bad

[crystal nacelle]

True

[lapis grove]

DID YOUU pirate

[crystal nacelle]

No

[lapis grove]

very good

[loud shuttle]

how to get that cool tno ahh flag

i need it

[solar tundra]

The outcome of the war

[wanton whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102976131503763496/1345013864630190142/HD2_GOTDETENTION_GIF1x1.gif

[solar tundra]

Croatia, montenegro, albania, greece, balakovo, tanna tuva, mongolia, and finland were taken as puppets

[green magnet]

does MP meta strats work in single player?

[bronze mango]

Greater Romania (ish)

[dusky burrow]

Will require some adjustment

Because no tech sharing

[solar tundra]

I took moscow but poland fought me for the rest of russia

[bronze mango]

And That's the reason I play cwic with the red dusk map mod

[solar tundra]

now when i have puppets and annexed stuff how do i maintain them

[green magnet]

does anyone know how to get these icons?

[bronze mango]

There is a mod for it

[green magnet]

will it effect gameplay?

[bright arrow]

No

[green magnet]

ok

[lapis snow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2668048070

[green magnet]

thx

[paper echo]

@heavy vigil

how does one get hacked 💀

[solar tundra]

How do i contorl them

Poland is making so much world tension i hope the allies dont attack me

[heavy vigil]

Ty

[slim nexus]

Shout out to this guys

Iw very good

[crystal nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/broob-broseidon-smitty-gif-24263466

[hollow narwhal]

um france- we might need to have a conversation

how does this even happen LMAO

[crystal nacelle]

Most stable France game:

[bright arrow]

Ive had the USSR turn democratic, kick me from the faction and then have a civil war. All in historical

[quiet tundra]

What are the units it takes to build stuff how do I see how many I have?

[bright arrow]

This is what happens when you past 1950

[dusky burrow]

I think they used the extra specialism for marines or mountaineers in the video

[hollow narwhal]

the conversation:

[bronze mango]

How does that even happen

[dusky burrow]

which nation?

[hollow narwhal]

france

wait.. could i form the dominion of north america as churchill ?

or does it require unite the anglosphere

well im stil gonna take the us HEHE they did cause 6 world tension now didnt they

[trail zinc]

prelobby alt hist dm for invite

[hollow narwhal]

for plagiarism

[trail zinc]

https://discordapp.com/channels/183787140671471616/909597487151579177/1428845242358169772

https://discordapp.com/channels/183787140671471616/909597487151579177/1428845242358169772

https://discordapp.com/channels/183787140671471616/909597487151579177/1428845242358169772

[dusky burrow]

Dominion of North America Is fascist/monarchist

yeah

[prisma zealot]

folks, if you ever feel like shit in your life, remember people bought the south america dlc

[abstract trench]

My pc is dying but i wanna finish this. what do i do?

[hollow narwhal]

how has poland not caused any world tension when the world is looking like this 😭

[prisma zealot]

this is officially the worst map gore you can find on discord

[solar tundra]

this is what the russians have left

[hollow narwhal]

make planes
and have patience

[solar tundra]

zero divisions

[ripe slate]

Take Vladivostok or Sakhalin then naval invade Japan if you can

[abstract trench]

I will buy a better processor this is not playable

[abstract trench]

Everyone is dying from low supply

Imagine how long it would take to build supply hubs in Siberia

i will try though

[tiny iris]

Look

This is no small feat.

[crystal nacelle]

An encirclement of it's time

[dusky burrow]

Or just build your own naval base and rail if you can't do that

But yes your first priority is probably Japan

Easiest way to eliminate a lot of units quickly if you're a naval power

[patent thistle]

you cant tell me that this doesnt look like an oversized oklahoma-

[spare laurel]

• Mexico

[patent thistle]

I SMELL GERMAN

[ripe slate]

👍

[patent thistle]

MOIN MOIN

[spare laurel]

yea

[spare laurel]

moin moin

[bright arrow]

Ehhh, a swimming german

[patent thistle]

hättest vorher jugoslawien einnehmen sollen

SERBIEN MUSS STERBIEN

[spare laurel]

soweit bin ich nocht net

erstmal soviel verbündete wie möglich wegen Deutschland

Hoffe nur Spanien nimmt an die Habsburgische Monarchie einzusetzen

[knotty vortex]

should i research tech ahead of its time?

this is my first ever game i’m playing as germany, i want to get improved infantry equipment

[bright arrow]

No

[knotty vortex]

what should I get instead?

i assume i shouldn’t waste research spots

[bright arrow]

Research times technically go down the closer they are to your date

[dusky burrow]

Do you want to take Germany alone?

[bright arrow]

He probably can, 1938 Germany is still too young

[craggy trail]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2642352801

[loud shuttle]

after nearly 2 hours thanmks

[craggy trail]

Been pretty busy

[indigo rune]

LMAO

[loud shuttle]

aha i see

[indigo rune]

thats the russian secret operation

[craggy trail]

Unfortunately, I can't really do much if I break away normally through the autonomy system

Probably the thing would be to join the allies or at least stalemate in a war with Germany until I can get enough war participation to annex all of Germany

[indigo rune]

late game germany vs the world

the allies have like 1100 divs on my borders alone

no air ofc

[wet plover]

Just wondering, can the AI stage coups in your country?

[sinful cloud]

final stage

[sinful cloud]

how do you even get in that situation lol

and ofc chile is a major

[sonic sand]

gasp! is that the famous CAS from the hit game hearts of iron 4?!?!?!

[opal nymph]

So, it appears KR USA can get all 3 special forces branches available

lol

[sonic sand]

sopeak

[green magnet]

is closed economy even worth implementing?

[true needle]

playing minor nations sucks

100% chance either the UK or france has guaranteed every nation around you

[sinful cloud]

why not

[true needle]

I wish I could have just a little bit of expansion by conquering minor nations before going to war with the majors when I feel ready

[green magnet]

are they're any negative affects?

[true needle]

yes yes, inb4 "skill issue"

[sonic sand]

itsyoboi i made a full guide on how to play hungary.

you should go read

[brittle cypress]

Yes

[sinful cloud]

small debuffs to construction and stuff, but not really if you need the resources

[brittle cypress]

Read the modifiers

[true needle]

I did

[brittle cypress]

you shoul only ever do it if you have literally no resources that you need, you can’t get them anywhere else, and if it would give you a significant amount of resources

So basically never

[sinful cloud]

lmao what

you can use closed economy with no problem

[brittle cypress]

why would you

You lose so much

[sinful cloud]

what do you lose? 10% construction speed?

[brittle cypress]

Significantly more than that

[true needle]

austria had a civil war somehow despite being on historical, czechoslovakia just straight up denied even though I improved relations and built the railroads AND they were guaranteed by france and the 3rd run romania was just romania

yugoslavia is the only thing that I can reliably conquer

[sonic sand]

thats literally impossible

you sure you're playing on historical

again

[true needle]

yes

[sonic sand]

without la resistance

[covert hinge]

guys

im cookng

[sonic sand]

it will be more difficult

[sonic sand]

thats barely heating up the pan

[covert hinge]

its only 1939

[sinful cloud]

leave him be, a casual guy who has either mods or unhistorical checked

[covert hinge]

yes but im suffering barely any cassualties

[sinful cloud]

you're just wasting your time

[sonic sand]

hey man im just trying to help

[sonic sand]

being kind and trying to help the best i can is not a waste of time

[true needle]

im not casual

doesnt mean im good at the game though

[sonic sand]

we all have our own learning speed

don't let it get to you

ive seen people play games for thousands of hours

and not be able to do well in them

do you have any mods installed?

[true needle]

road to 56

[sinful cloud]

...

[covert hinge]

also look at how fast

im advancing

[sonic sand]

well that explains it!

[true needle]

nobody asked

[sonic sand]

road to 56 changes your game

it changes how the ai works

changes the borders maybe

idk never played it

but it changes the game

[true needle]

yeah im aware of that, thats why I got the mod

[sinful cloud]

you can't really have a historical game with rt56

[sonic sand]

that ^

[sinful cloud]

AI is not as railroaded as in vanilla

[sonic sand]

if you want a better time

[true needle]

idk when I have historical AI on its pretty historical

[sonic sand]

turn off RT56

[sinful cloud]

sure, but don't be surprised by austrian civil wars and such

[true needle]

I like road to 56 though, I enjoy being able to play just about any nation I want without paying 20$ for a mid focus tree first

[covert hinge]

guys

am i cooking

[indigo rune]

well things escalated when i died than survived the cold war after a while im up against like 80% of the world

[true needle]

green bubble

yes

[sinful cloud]

depends on your manpower

[sonic sand]

you can just pay 10$ for the subscription

[sonic sand]

maybe

[covert hinge]

and its still increasing

[sinful cloud]

then keep battleplanning my friend, enjoy

[true needle]

or I could pay 0$ and get a better product

[sonic sand]

base hoi4 is NOT a better product

[covert hinge]

being on volunteer only is insane

[true needle]

road to 56

[sinful cloud]

are you playing modded?

[sonic sand]

yet you keep complaining how bad it is

[true needle]

show me where I complained specifically about road to 56

[brittle cypress]

Road to 56 is a downgrade

[sonic sand]

.

[sonic sand]

.

[sinful cloud]

austria had a civil war somehow despite being on historical, czechoslovakia just straight up denied even though I improved relations and built the railroads AND they were guaranteed by france and the 3rd run romania was just romania

[covert hinge]

yes

time machine poland

also what is this

[grave sphinx]

holy shit

[dusky burrow]

Mod moment

[true needle]

in base game they suck too, having road to 56 installed does not change the UKs AI guaranteeing every rock on the planet

[sinful cloud]

it's just how the game works, you come to accept it and start cheesing capping UK quickly. you can turn off guarantees in the settings but it breaks the game quite a bit i believe

as ww2 wont start off really then

[true needle]

ive never invaded britain

hell ive never beaten france

mostly because I dont play germany

[dusky burrow]

Italy can also beat France and conquer the UK fairly btw

[sonic sand]

i have never played germany ever

[sinful cloud]

i'd recommend learning the game with germany first. you have clear goals set for you, each increasing in hardness

[sonic sand]

and i beat france

and the UK

[dusky burrow]

Fairly as in you didn't paradrop cheese France

[true needle]

im not a noob, I know how the game works, I just suck at actually following through

I forget things and delay things until its too late

[sinful cloud]

how one has 700 hours but has never done a sea lion is beyond me, but okay i get ya

[true needle]

because I never play germany

[sinful cloud]

also beyond me at 700 hours

[covert hinge]

the thing that sucks

the most

about invading the ussr

is not having collab governments ready

[true needle]

I dont feel like building up for half a day only to forget about something and the run ends

[covert hinge]

(agency stuff)

[true needle]

at least with minors I only have to play for 1 or 2 hours before I have to restart because france/UK got in the way

[sinful cloud]

what advice are you looking for exactly?

because my only piece of advice is to stop playing minors if you're a beginner

[true needle]

the UK is actually the primary reason I spent 90% of my time not playing vanilla HOI4, I spent most of my time playing EaW because there is no UK to guarantee everything and I can actually have fun doing war and conquest in the game about war and conquest

[true needle]

idk I have no one to vent to

[sinful cloud]

why not just turn off guarantees then in game rules?

[true needle]

cheating

[sinful cloud]

lmao, well then get good at getting around the mechanic

idk what to tell you

[true needle]

why bother doing that when I can just annex everything with console commands

its a slippery slope

[sinful cloud]

how is that not cheating?

[green magnet]

struggling whether which side i wanna go down can someone help me out?

[true needle]

I didnt say it wasnt cheating

[sinful cloud]

just play germany without any cheats, you'll have tons more fun

[true needle]

alright im just bad and I should uninstall or something

[covert hinge]

hmmm

[true needle]

gonna go play factorio

[true needle]

ive played germany tons of times, I had little fun

because SOMETHING goes wrong and the run ends

[sinful cloud]

dont play ironman, make save games before major decisions

[covert hinge]

FINALLY

USSR CAPITULATEE

[sinful cloud]

i don't get you people

[sonic sand]

oppose

[true needle]

often its not a short term mistake that can be wiped off by rolling back a month but something I screwed up on day one

[green magnet]

ig since rapid mobilization sounds nice

[sinful cloud]

In my first 70 hours i learned everything basically with germany. First tried to take poland, failed, tried again succeeded, failed in netherlands, reloaded and succeeded, sea lion, etc. and then russia. You have clear goals and a lot of industry and stuff. It's just plain fun even though if you fail sometimes.

just save progress as you go

[true needle]

every time the allies just shove 300 divisions into the benelux and my meta tanks cant push

[sonic sand]

im eyeing that japan focus

[green magnet]

seek Japanese support?

[sinful cloud]

well reload and figure out why they arent pushing (hint supply or air)

[sonic sand]

ye

[green magnet]

ig since i wont have to worry about them early game

[true needle]

this was before nsb and I had green air, its been a loooong time since ive played germany

[sonic sand]

they don't do that

[simple citrus]

just nuked the shit outta italy

[green magnet]

alr oppose it is

thx

[covert hinge]

finally

[sonic sand]

this is getting quoted

[sonic sand]

why is the guy from getting over it your general?

[sinful cloud]

you gotta stop being a perfectionist, and that's all i'm gonna say

[covert hinge]

what guy

[true needle]

ive spent so little time playing vanilla and so much playing EaW that I have literally 2 achievements

[sonic sand]

in the cauldron

with the hammer

[sinful cloud]

game's fun if you're playing a major. period.

and relatively easy

[covert hinge]

@sonic sand what guy

[simple citrus]

because i quite literally nuked every single urban province, benghazi tripoli valetta addis ababa mogadishu and asmara too

[green magnet]

wait there's a problem, i cant get rid of these spirits with that line

[simple citrus]

that shit was epic

cmon bruh

[covert hinge]

oh look its my friend

[true needle]

I get overwhelmed with all the things I have to manage, I like playing minors because there isnt much to manage so I can focus more on what I have and I can gradually increase the scale of things as I get comfortable

with majors you have a billion things to manage and something gets neglected

usually navy, but if I focus on navy too much then I wont have a good enough airforce or tanks, but if I dont have a good navy then I cant sealion

[covert hinge]

bro what was i trying to restore one time

dawg

this is not franklin d roosevelt

[true needle]

im really good at coming up with ideas and then fumbling them in practice

and then not understanding what went wrong because there are a thousand things that can affect how something goes in hoi4

[covert hinge]

boss

i am exhausted boss

[sonic sand]

Then hoi4 isn't for you

[abstract trench]

Mod?

[true needle]

on my way to waste another half day on hoi4 because I have a "if everyone else gets to have fun then why cant I?" mentality even though the ambiguousness of every mechanic in the game makes it extremely hard to actually learn and watching videos doesnt help with understanding the underlying mechanics

[sonic sand]

Not every game is for everyone

I don't care what I play

I can have fun with any game

[true needle]

ok? good for you

[sonic sand]

But not everyone is like me

So why should you continue to do something you don't like because other people like it?

[true needle]

I vibe with this, I am a master at doing exactly what everyone tells me to do and somehow fumbling it

"how did you screw that up"

"idk"

[covert hinge]

what mod

[sonic sand]

Then play the game your way.

[abstract trench]

Is that image from vanilla

;

?

[sonic sand]

If you're unable to follow guides then be your own guide

[abstract trench]

Can you really do the papal state?

[true needle]

because its like elden ring where you enjoy the gameplay loop but some things just really piss you off, I enjoy hoi4 but I find it frustrating to learn from

[sonic sand]

Or go play a game like Minecraft

[true needle]

just because it took me 100+ attempts to beat maliketh and I got really mad doesnt mean I dont enjoy elden ring

[covert hinge]

yes

[covert hinge]

yes

[abstract trench]

Oh I didn’t know that

[sonic sand]

I get it

I really do

Maybe play a sandbox

Where there are no mistakes

[true needle]

I was going to say "im going to stream myself playing germany so you can see how I screw even the most basic stuff up" but I guarantee I would sweep france easily and make myself look like a fool

the classic "plays like garbage until observed and then everything goes perfectly

[abstract trench]

Do u like my kaiser platypus?

[sonic sand]

I'm quite the opposite

[sinful cloud]

stream let me see

[sonic sand]

Im very good but when people watch me i fall apart

[sonic sand]

XD

[sinful cloud]

the gang

[dull nebula]

please donate money

i am romanian citizen i need money

[sinful cloud]

steal copper

[sonic sand]

@ripe slate is this a scam?

[sonic sand]

Crows

Where they from

And where can I find them

[true needle]

in helping lounge 1

only place I could find to stream

[sinful cloud]

i think all 3 were limited edition

shah of iran and lady capitalist, the third one is the kaiser

lady capitalist is from vic3

[tiny iris]

This game is wild.

[neat kayak]

Austria can you cry like meh meh from clash royale?

[sinful cloud]

@true needle you're oversweating the spanish civil war, just set them to battleplanning and focus on economy and building divs

the point of civil war as germany is to get exp just having them in the battles

@true needle brother i'm watching you play and no wonder you get overwhelmed

take it easy lmao

you minmaxing port spawns of ships

[spiral sphinx]

Whats the best dlc

[sinful cloud]

maybe by blood alone

italy is a fun nation

[spiral sphinx]

What is it adding

[sinful cloud]

not sure, look it up, italy tree mainly

forming roman empire is mega cool though

[neat kayak]

Arms against tyranny

[warped flint]

Are Paratroopers actually good

I never used them

[sinful cloud]

mostly good for roleplay, can be useful if you have the nerve to micromanage droppings behind the lines

but i just cant be arsed

[warped flint]

Alright

[sinful cloud]

they have a nice ability to halve the org of the tile they're dropping on, so it can help with stalemates

[warped flint]

Oh that could be very helpfull for like sealioning

[sinful cloud]

yep

but that's like naval invasion micro and then airtroop, i get headaches from arranging that

and then transports need to be in that airport

• air superiority

i'm just like, forget it, send CAS and 9/1 infantry for invasion

but roleplay, definitely

also helps with cutting the supplies from russians when you're on the offensive as germany, but i still fully believe AI cheats with supply

if you drop airtroppers on railways or supply hubs, they still have supply somehow

[buoyant fractal]

looks pretty west and not very asian

[solar tundra]

My german military has annexed the remainder of Italy and took Finland

Italy had a war for independence and lost and i made a coup in finland and joined the war to take it

And for some reason democratic Japan joined Axis in 1945

How do i see the view that shows the factions

The war had 700k casualties on my side to 200k on finland😭😭

the Poland empire made the mistake of leaving the allies and joining up with romania

I will be taking over them next

[green magnet]

will pearl harbor become an event this update?

[zealous junco]

I'm gonna guess raid but I don't think they've confirmed in any of the dev diaries

[night lintel]

wait until you discover mods

[solar tundra]

I need tanks and motorized Guys TO destroy Poland and Romania

they have ~260 divisions

[buoyant fractal]

when you have a lot of puppets

[solar tundra]

my faction has 400 division

[buoyant fractal]

mine has like 900

[solar tundra]

wow

[buoyant fractal]

correction, 1,680

[solar tundra]

wow

[dusky burrow]

Did you pick GBP?

[twilit stone]

how to report people

!

[green magnet]

is this good?

[solar tundra]

you can design stuff?

[sudden thistle]

Yes

With dlc though

[solar tundra]

how does that work

[dusky burrow]

No range mio?

[sudden thistle]

No mio at all*

[solar tundra]

If im going to take over poland and romania

What vehicles and divisions do i bring

[ancient marsh]

mission efficiency too high.

no it’s fine but 2 armor is kind of a lot

[green magnet]

dont see why i'll need it

[ancient marsh]

and im surprised you have the rubber for that

[green magnet]

i dont

[solar tundra]

help

[green magnet]

thats why im about to get some

[dusky burrow]

Thought they were US

[steel cove]

Im playing a game of historical soviets and the japanese just declared war on me how is this possible

[broken sky]

Did you, by any chance, accept Sinkiang into your faction?

[steel cove]

No its 1945

i have no idea what happened

[broken sky]

Oh, okay, lol

That's a bit odd?

[steel cove]

Ikr

I just saw they took vladivostok

and was like who did that?

[broken sky]

Since the Tripartite Pact should only work when you declare war on Germany

[steel cove]

Also turkey joined the allies?

[broken sky]

They tend to do that

Usually when everything is late game

[steel cove]

Oh yeah that did happen

[coarse ember]

hi

I need help someone

please

🙏

[heavy vigil]

What with?

[misty fossil]

he needs help typing on discord

[dusky burrow]

What does your air research look like

[coarse ember]

whats the best infantry template

for great war redux

as France

[heavy vigil]

Attack? Defend?

[dusky burrow]

i don't know how :(

I'm force deploying irregular cavalry

[coarse ember]

Defense

I’m tryna stop the German advance dead in its tracks in Belgium

[heavy vigil]

Isnt that like normal combat?

Spam pure inf, preferably small

[dusky burrow]

Perhaps

Might be a good idea if on a pure defensive build to put field guns since they are 2 width here, and infantry equipment has 3-4 soft attack

[left sigil]

is eu4 any good? how much fun compared to hoi4

asking because eu5 is coming out

[dusky burrow]

I think it's more interesting to contemplate offensive divisions in GWR

[left sigil]

i might buy eu5

i dunno

[coarse ember]

interesting

[vast depot]

Five hundred artillery batalians five hundred combat width

[dusky burrow]

that'd be 1500 not 500

[vast depot]

nerd

[broken sky]

Depends if you fancy politics alongside combat

EU4 is a semi-diplomatic game that still prioritizes combat (slightly)

Still a map-painter

Hey guys, what's the best traits for main fleet (screen/carrier)?

[wide pumice]

yooo guys join voice for game

[brittle cypress]

i don't remmeber what they do honestly, but i'm pretty sure your two best choices here are cruiser captain and torpedo bomber

assuming you're doing the classic light cruiser carrier fleet

[broken sky]

I am

Alright, thanks

[misty fossil]

swap all torpedo bombers to cas with 3-4x AP bombs

retain two torp bomber wings so you can do manual port strikes with your carriers to fish enemy task forces out

[heavy vigil]

Doing a boredom game what doctrine should i go chat

[brittle cypress]

why would you take fighter director?

[misty fossil]

oh wtf

oops

[heavy vigil]

Better CV fighter wings fr

Game impact

[brittle cypress]

fleet in being meta

[misty fossil]

ignore that other ping

[heavy vigil]

Ugh

[misty fossil]

cv cas my beloved

[heavy vigil]

Probably will be another massmob game 😕😔

[misty fossil]

plane design

ignore all the blued out things

engine 3-4

AP bomb

strategic material usage

all other modules dont contribute to performance in naval battles

[solar tundra]

How

[misty fossil]

300k garrison

produce some cheap rubbish light tanks for garrisoning

you have 400 factories

[cerulean orchid]

4 carriers is insane

[misty fossil]

those who know

[brittle cypress]

smartest AI

[wide pumice]

LOOKING FOR MP2 FOR UKRAINE WAR CO-OP MOD

HOP ONNNNNN

[brittle cypress]

6 carriers? 5 is better

unless you want fighter wings i guess

or wait does 6 even get any fighters up?

it's 5 airwings flying regardless is it not

[misty fossil]

overstacking doesnt affect fighters

[cerulean orchid]

more

[umbral agate]

is this a good enough division for sheeps mod?

[brittle cypress]

5 carriers let's you get 5 full carriers of naval bombers up minus 20 space on the last carrier

how many does 6 let you get

[cerulean orchid]

lowkey super heavy battleships are kind of insane

i never built them before until now

[misty fossil]

not sure

[brittle cypress]

for when

[misty fossil]

thumbs up

[umbral agate]

its 1940 and im about to declare

[brittle cypress]

for france? yeah that's good

u could swap arty for something else

like light recon

or rangers

[misty fossil]

dont use that for barb

0% reliability hits hard

[sudden thistle]

Guh?

[misty fossil]

girl your carriers have no planes

[cerulean orchid]

i dont usually use carriers

[misty fossil]

then why are they in your fleet

[cerulean orchid]

i prolly should but o whell

[cerulean orchid]

because i started with them

[misty fossil]

put them in port

lol

[cerulean orchid]

o

[misty fossil]

carriers are fun though

[brittle cypress]

21 carrier build

[cerulean orchid]

do they affect your fleet or something

or is it js to save fuel

[brittle cypress]

i mean you can keep them in your fleet so that they tank for your other ships

that's the only thing they're doing though

if you don't put planes on them

[wet plover]

Secured the Mediterranean

[brittle cypress]

do you have planes on those

161 ship kills is crazy

what have you been fighting

[misty fossil]

the allies

[wet plover]

Where do u even see that

[wet plover]

Allies

[brittle cypress]

i was talking to the other person sorry

above you

[umbral agate]

invading poland is the most difficult thing of all time they spam last stand with the massed assult battle tactic

[cerulean orchid]

what are you talking about

[pearl jackal]

yo chat should i go italy first or pact of steel

[umbral agate]

sheeps mod

[cerulean orchid]

oh

i was going to say

[cerulean orchid]

pact of steel if u want to ally with germany otherwise italy first

[pearl jackal]

yeah no shi but like do i trust the german ai

[cerulean orchid]

its prolly best to ally with them

[pearl jackal]

alr

[devout trench]

How do they have enough manpower for the ww1 tatic

[cerulean orchid]

u can get military access through france etc