hoi4-general

[warped flint]

What occupation law is best for giving most industry?

[fair horizon]

the commie one

[frank igloo]

liberated workers

[fair horizon]

liberate the workers of the world

[brittle cypress]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16LoCwSkXHV0eyGzgq5Tnj9VXOtliLeZmJuY53Nr_mrs/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.ucn4xuuawn8u/

here is a basic guideline you can follow PLEASE keep in mind this guide has the assumption you’re playing moddd mp, and thus it ignores specific researches and army xp and other stuff

[warped flint]

Should I be able to push with sorta shitty supply

[brittle cypress]

Use it as a rough guideline, the focus tree order is good and make sure you follow the bonuses to industry

[warped flint]

What if I am not communist

[fair horizon]

disgusting fascist

[grim hearth]

Why ignore the tank part (send)

[dusky burrow]

Then local police force

[brittle cypress]

It’s 1. More difficult 2. Relies on modded cope to make actually good tanks

You won’t have enough army xp for doctrine most likely

Nor grinded generals

[grim hearth]

Ah okok

[brittle cypress]

and spies can reduce planning

Mass mob battleplan is significantly easier and more suited to vanilla

The most important things are use your 2x 100 gun bonuses on gun 3 (1942 gun) and also get AT3

And also get tools 5

[warped flint]

Shit

[brittle cypress]

You have bonuses for each in your focus tree, make sure you apply them correctly

[dusky burrow]

True

[safe wing]

what about Monarchist paths?

[warped flint]

Alright so this was probably a waste of manpower, I won't be able to get anything

Hungary was a loser and joined the dumb allies

[nova rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421855628569215006/1426412068537630771/watermark.gif

[warped flint]

BRO THEY ARE LITERALLY PUTTING ALL THEIR DIVISIONS ON MY BORDER AND NOT THE GERMAN ONE

AND FORCE ATTACKING ME

[nova rune]

multiplayer?

[warped flint]

No

[nova rune]

ok

[last valley]

hey there looking for the best templates for sp and mp i havent played in quite and while and dont know that meta for templates now and dont know where to find them if anyone could help that would be awesome

[warped flint]

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-2773712783314774774

Yeah all that did was make me lose men

germany was greedy as shit

[dusky burrow]

Oh my bad RIP

I honestly thought it would go better, sometimes I fail unfortunately

[warped flint]

Lost nearly 5 perceant of my population.....

[dusky burrow]

Ack

Yeah I guess restart then

[warped flint]

Well guess ill just use this

[warped flint]

Nah

I used the Ukranian parts of poland I got

and traine ddivs

and then gave the soviets the land

Getting gun 3 in 1940

[nova rune]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

[warped flint]

Germanys hogging all the resources

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

generic focus tree does that

But what's going on with the other tech slot

[warped flint]

just getting lazy

this is just boring

Why does germany always do so horrible in barb

like its embarassingly bad

[lavish basalt]

what u guys think of this plan

[dusky burrow]

Cuba should be weak enough you can naval land directly on Havana

[lavish basalt]

I haven't been focusing on marines

I went paratroopers

[fair horizon]

almost lost the kaga because the battleships i put in the fleet decided to repair the moment they got to that port instead of joining the fleet :^)

[dusky burrow]

Design?

[dusky burrow]

Probably will take the island, doubt will take the mainland

[warped flint]

Is honduras fun?

[dusky burrow]

You need a beefier division for the mainland

[warped flint]

Feel like it would either be enjoyable or painfull

[dusky burrow]

El Salvador is always a pain

[lavish basalt]

it's good with rt56

[rare ingot]

guys

[warped flint]

I might try a central asian nation with that mod

[rare ingot]

whats the stronger path for afghanistant fascist branch

[lavish basalt]

I made my air superiority with heavy airframe tho so I might be cooked

[fair horizon]

what happens if an enemy bombs your dam/>

[fickle thicket]

no dam perks

[fair horizon]

poor new zealanders

[lavish basalt]

nvm just switched it to a light one

[fair horizon]

britian bombed the dam there

[fickle thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274052083397562409/1287044807520419892/PoPivu.gif

big bottle big ballers boys

[ruby flame]

a shame you can't go left side sweden and still do the nordic defense council

[broken sky]

Bro what

[lavish basalt]

how do I not have air superiority??????

[broken sky]

This is the first time I've seen the British be too scared

That they allow me to steamroll Netherlands

[fair horizon]

do you actually have the range to have good efficiency?

[lavish basalt]

ohhhhh

[shell canyon]

@torpid hatch

[lapis shard]

Loving 30 minutes of hel rn

[hallow pulsar]

@neon portal

you hosting?

[dusky burrow]

British division in Vichy France

[dusky burrow]

Guy decided to become a shi'a cleric

[misty fossil]

200 fighter planes
wonders why you dont have air superiority

[fair horizon]

against cuba?>

[misty fossil]

I have no idea what im looking at anyway

[shut gazelle]

ngl they should make a focus tree for saudi arabia and add it with GoE

[safe wing]

Mods aren’t going to like this

[warped flint]

What console command do I use to get naval xp

[misty fossil]

theres none to my knowledge

just do xp

[fair horizon]

ayo anyone know what you do with motorcycles in rt56?

[dusky burrow]

I'm guessing they aren't worth it other than MP

But that's just a guess

[ruby flame]

what're yalls strats for being good guy sweden

like defending finland, norway, and denmark

tried helping finland in the winter war but my military wasn't up to the task yet as i couldnt break leningrad before germany started doing weserubung

[silk fern]

top 1 most useless germanys of all time

[lapis shard]

🫠

[trail beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-dark-side-palpatine-sith-gif-14304484953492859842

[dusky burrow]

aeiou

[dusky burrow]

amtrac and light tank units?

[fair horizon]

yes

[dusky burrow]

what are you, a sheep mod ai

[fair horizon]

i decided to mix it up

[dusky burrow]

what do your amtracs look like

[fair horizon]

also i love my amtracs

nothing special

[dusky burrow]

Useful for like marsh/river planet

But otherwise not really

You're better off with medium flame tank, and if not focusing on those two terrains assault engineers are better than pioneers

Also why is your attack so high

[digital aurora]

Is it fine to use cav divisons as mobile divisions for civil war volunteers???

[dusky burrow]

36 width cav is good early game

[fair horizon]

probs from rt56 stuff

[dusky burrow]

That's like 40+ attack per amtrac division

That's insane

Normal late-game infantry gets to like 17, and then add 25% to that for amtracs I think

So yeah I am confused tbh

[digital aurora]

also i hate how if two countries are connected by a straight it isn't considered "neighbouring"

[silk fern]

november 1939 if benito locked in

[digital aurora]

January 46 if the axis locked in frfr trust guys!

[lavish basalt]

How'd you know I only had that amount

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[misty fossil]

????

are you high

what do you think this means

im gonna die

[fair horizon]

just lost 4 battleships

i hate destroyers

[dusky burrow]

Just get enough light cruisers

[fair horizon]

i know that, i didnt have the ability to screen them so i produced a ton of destroyers

but that fleet was bleeding them faster than i could make them

stuff i got from winning wars

[misty fossil]

vanilla 🥀

where are your CVs

[fair horizon]

they're alive

but the battleships got wrecked

crappy early japanese designs smh

[misty fossil]

real

[fair horizon]

ive yet to lose a real australian battleship

[random epoch]

a fine catch

[fair horizon]

which country is that?

[random epoch]

Bulgaria

[fair horizon]

oh its so gross

[random epoch]

the cores though

THE CORES

[silk fern]

this will be bulgaria in 2026

https://tenor.com/view/scream-if-you-love-bulgaria-scream-if-you-scream-if-scream-scream-bulgaria-gif-17302763914499349828

[fair horizon]

and people wonder why i like having reliable equipment

[dusky burrow]

Australian People's Republic lmao

Also yeah it is China so you have a point

Although this is late-game China right?

[fair horizon]

just rt56 china in general

[dusky burrow]

So you need a lot of CAS to break guerilla tactics

[fair horizon]

500 divisions per tile always

i do

[dusky burrow]

Then they should be running out of supply too

Try to extend the frontline with naval invasions

[fair horizon]

im just gonna push all my frontline and overun the bastards

[dusky burrow]

Bad idea, wastes your equipment

[fair horizon]

meh, my tanks cant push so might as well let the mechanized do it

its all just infantry spam and for some reason my cas do like 20 damage

even though they're 3 heavy bomb locks on each

[dusky burrow]

You have amtrac divisions, naval invasions won't hurt

[dusky burrow]

Try to concentrate your CAS damage on one or two spots

[fair horizon]

you're right but i lost a few ships earlier so i have no naval invasion support because i had to cannibalize that fleet

[dusky burrow]

Because against guerilla tactics that is probably your best way of dealing damage

[fair horizon]

nah i should have just not stopped pushing once i was winning

also they're being attacked from the indian side too, malaysia and vietnam

probably just need another 5000 or so cas and i can mabye start to destroy them

[true needle]

I wonder how useful some cheap tac/strat bombers would be with knocking out railways and supply hubs

[silk fern]

where are they

[dusky burrow]

You might not have enough intel

btw german reich according to russia

[silk fern]

i dont have intel, but their lines are just completely empty

[dusky burrow]

Oh

Do you know how many divisions they have

[silk fern]

127-200, i assume the rest of their army is in siberia fighting japan

they just need to get their priorities set lol

[dusky burrow]

Maybe you just attacked then when they least expected it

And that's why they have nothing

[fair horizon]

thats what my brother was doing, they had airports and then now they dont

also he nuked like every major city lmao

[true needle]

I was thinking about doing that but something on the side? like ive got air superiority but the frontline isnt moving or my tanks are somewhere else I could use these tac/strat bombers to make fighting a bit easier

bombing factories is a waste but bombing supply hubs, railways, and airports?

[fair horizon]

you'd be better off just making cas tbh

[dusky burrow]

Having strats like these can definitely be useful

[misty fossil]

strategic bombing can be extremely powerful

[true needle]

the problem is that do I make some ultra-expensive bombers like what livadeia made but are super good at bombing or do I make cheaper ones with single bomb bays

[misty fossil]

i never believed in strat bombing until i tried some really strong plane design and doctrine picks

[misty fossil]

ultra expensive

you dont have unlimited airfield cap

[dusky burrow]

Yep

[true needle]

I recognize those state names

[misty fossil]

eaw

stalliongrad

[dusky burrow]

The more expensive bombers will probably be more cost effective I assume

[misty fossil]

that was with 500 late game bombers with air support

give your bombers some air attack as well

[dusky burrow]

Most of the cost is in the hull and the engines, so adding more bomb bays is probably a better idea

[true needle]

ill have to run the numbers myself and see exactly which is more IC efficient with max bomb bays

but im not sure how to make CAS specifically, I know with fighters you want speed, attack, and agility

but with CAS so I give them as much ground attack as possible?

[misty fossil]

max defense, agility on cas mission and 3x heavy bomb locks

[true needle]

no matter the consequences

[fair horizon]

i just try to max ground attack with cas

[true needle]

the problem is that the cas mission already nukes agility

[misty fossil]

air brakes gives extra cas damage and agility on cas missions

[true needle]

it does??

[misty fossil]

not much you can do otherwise

read the tooltip?

[true needle]

I never noticed

[misty fossil]

it exists for a reason

[fair horizon]

i didnt know airbrakes existed lmao

[true needle]

what about AT guns and rocket rails?

[misty fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308354496493260831/1407157493779660800/caption.gif

nah

how it feels to um\

um

have 0 agility

war thunder is the only place where AT guns are op

yak-9k

at least you get like 15 agility out of 3 heavy BLs

you get 1 with AT gun

[true needle]

I got so good at dumping bombs on the ground targets in air battles that I came out with 1-2k RP just about every single game (like BR 5 or 6) and often what at the top of the leaderboard with points

[fair horizon]

i mean once you get to where you win the air war at gun isnt so bad

[misty fossil]

people like you are the reason i uninstalled wt

[true needle]

when there was an event and I got a skyraider for free...

oh boy

[true needle]

I uninstalled because I couldnt dogfight for shit

so I got really good at dumping bombs on things

[misty fossil]

no bloody way wt is fun when you keep getting strafed and bombed every single goddamn time you spawn something in

[fair horizon]

i cant dogfight well in props but i usually just play like a p51 or a p47 with tracers or a corsair

[true needle]

like I was uptiering the P-40 and killing tigers with 100lb bombs

[misty fossil]

the day air is removed from realistic rb will be so peak

but with that comes the question of how you will nuke

[true needle]

wt was a fun game but it sucked the soul out of me, once you get to br 5 or 6 then it becomes really sweaty

[misty fossil]

thankfully roblox has a copycat WT that i played in, which i also stopped because of how sweaty it was

[digital aurora]

is there any point of doing the 4 year plan tree if i abandon MEFO bills and go for recovering economy?

[misty fossil]

4 year plan is a noob trap

[true needle]

unfortunately it took me until 1k hours to realize that playing a game that you dont enjoy isnt fun

[misty fossil]

based

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/target-destroyed-war-thunder-dog-shiba-inu-gif-24474421

[true needle]

I will admit, br 1 - 2 is peak

[fair horizon]

9.0 tanks is where its at

[misty fossil]

the reason is you are pressed to conduct and win a war against both the soviets and allies to do the autarky focus

without that have fun with the 100% consumer goods malus

[true needle]

no one knows what they are doing, everything can pen everything else, the vehicles are wacky, and there are no sweats

[digital aurora]

its 1938 and its already gotten to 100%, last playthrough it wasn't this bad lmao

[misty fossil]

most new players simply cannot hope to win and do autarky achieved so they just get to 100% CG and die

exactly thats my point

your run is nuked

[digital aurora]

my first ever german playthrough i did 4yP

[fair horizon]

9.0 be like

[misty fossil]

go back to recovering economy

you get to build up for longer

4 year plan is literally a ponzi scheme with a different suit

think about it

why did you go for something that failed irl?

[true needle]

I never got that high, I got to 6.0 which is the near end of WW2 but stepping into cold war area

[dire hornet]

I would like to know what method mao used to get away with this

[digital aurora]

I wanted to do the effectivise volkswerke focus for the german communist path

[misty fossil]

i got to 5.0 with the US, USSR and germany

[fair horizon]

thats like 7-8.0 now

[misty fossil]

63 gb space goddamn

[digital aurora]

I geuss i got to re-do the german civil war

[misty fossil]

its not hard

just kill everyone in south germany

[fair horizon]

i play italy so they have basically nothing except worthless garbage

[misty fossil]

then go alongside the sudeten border and push north

[true needle]

do not play wt

[misty fossil]

real

[true needle]

its literally WW2 league of legends

[misty fossil]

tell me how i know

i spent 2k hours in the roblox wt game

[digital aurora]

I put all of my equipment on the market before the war starts then take it off so i have a ton of equipment to start the war with

[graceful laurel]

I don’t understand how to build a division properly. I have a skull issue where I attacked Estonia as Soviet’s and lost (I didn’t change the template)

[true needle]

all the trailers show all the modern vehicles and stuff but unless you buy premium and hyperfocus on one nation you wont get to them within like 2k hours

[misty fossil]

um

[true needle]

I could help

[misty fossil]

thats a good question because there is everything for you to learn

and by everything i mean

[fair horizon]

skill issue

[misty fossil]

a lot

a lot

[graceful laurel]

Ik 😭

[true needle]

you want defending divisions and attacking divisions

for defending you use 9 battalions of infantry with engineers, support arty, and support AA

never attack with infantry, you will take 9 billion casualties

[misty fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb9536VncuI&pp=ygUNaG9pNCB0dXRvcmlhbA%3D%3D

@graceful laurel

[true needle]

for tanks use 30w and keep the org between 30-40

[misty fossil]

bittersteel is a good youtuber who knows what hes doing

[digital aurora]

Also with the stock tank divisions for the soviets the org is way to low

[true needle]

yeah this is a good video

[graceful laurel]

Kk, ima watch that

[misty fossil]

and also a respectable character so id say you should go watch him

[misty fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbpWbSD6hEY&pp=ygUZaG9pNCBiaXR0ZXJzdGVlbCB0dXRvcmlhbA%3D%3D

[graceful laurel]

Also is it normal for the US to have a fascist revolution on historical early game

[true needle]

no

[misty fossil]

no

[graceful laurel]

Ok…

[misty fossil]

once you take an ahistorical path for your country it makes everyone else go ahistorical as well

[true needle]

really?

huh

[misty fossil]

yeah

[digital aurora]

Yeah because iirc the AI will take focuses depending on what you do, but you can also change it in the pre-game menu

[dusky burrow]

I guess you can do this if you want a dedicated tac strat

30 strategic bombing

But this thing just barely edges the above plane out on strat bombing per ic

[misty fossil]

hover your mouse over the strat bombing adjuster

that tells you a lot more than the table

[dusky burrow]

I know

It's 30 vs 78

[digital aurora]

the one thing i hate about doing the GCW, is that i loose some scientists (im using R56)

[dusky burrow]

So 0.53 strat per ic versus 0.61 strat per ic

Of course you can use the former as CAS but not the latter, and the latter on certain raids but not the former

[misty fossil]

but 2000 tacs does less damage than 2000 strats

[dusky burrow]

Also that

[misty fossil]

dont think a strat medium plane is good at cas

[dusky burrow]

It can is what I'm saying

[digital aurora]

also the strat has more range so you can bomb enemys from longer ranges

[dusky burrow]

Also true

So yeah strat bomber is indeed generally better at strat bombing than tac bombers

[digital aurora]

also the strat bomber has better air defense so you should take less losses when flying longer range missions where your fighters can't cover

[misty fossil]

not too useful if enemy has 3000 planes up

[digital aurora]

Yeah true

[dusky burrow]

I mean not really

You have 26 defense on the tac and 36 on the strat

But you also get 2.26 times the tacs

[true needle]

not sure how air defense and air attack interact

like, how well does air defense keep a strat bomber alive from enemy fighters?

[dusky burrow]

Reading on the wiki, it seems that if we don't include agility and speed, it is a simple air attack / air defense * 0.01

[true needle]

is the resulting number the chance for the plane to be shot down per tick?

[dusky burrow]

However if the defense's agility is higher than the attack's, this will decrease the effective air attack

[dusky burrow]

Oh wait, you have to multiply these factors by the number of planes of course, but also by 0.2

So the number of planes shot down is 0.002 * number of planes * air attack / air defense

Also it's every 8 hours

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Air_combat

[silk fern]

can the axis recover from this?

[dusky burrow]

You have Paraguay

Lmao

Argentina shouldn't be that difficult to take out, and with a naval invasion neither should Venezuela

Honduras is even easier

But Afghanistan

I mean Afghanistan is no threat to you either

You can take that at your own pace

And then a naval invasion into the Dominican Republic is also nice

[true needle]

That's assuming poor Paraguay doesn't get immediately dogpiled with 500 divisions from the Italian league the moment war is declared

Knowing the AI they WILL try to move all their tanks through the Amazon's and while they suck at fighting in that terrain I doubt Paraguay has the industry nor manpower to actually put up a fight

[dusky burrow]

I mean Paraguay is just very hard to conquer

Not impossible, but it's tough

Paraguay also has a lot of units in a small area and even a marsh tile

So yeah

Oof

But it's your ally so you can just take on the Axis

[valid prairie]

What amount of armour should be on my tanks for each year to avoid being pierced?

[misty fossil]

300

wait

idk make that 400

heavy TD with HV gun 3 does like 340 piercing off the top of my head

squeeze bore would give that another 10% so make that 370

[dusky burrow]

This is literally impossible, you physically can't get the armor needed on a tank

[devout trench]

300 soft maybe

[dusky burrow]

So quit the race while you're ahead and care primarily about the late-game infantry

Because armoring against late-game tanks are a forlorn cause

[devout trench]

I do not know though as i only use light tanks and for snaking

[dusky burrow]

Essentially if your tank has more armor than the enemy has piercing, you reduce your damage by 40%

[lavish basalt]

No bro, the axis won, they have Bolivia

[lavish basalt]

What

[sudden grotto]

Frontal assault Moment

[devout trench]

I feel like the Sakhalin borders just look so wrong split

Feels wrong after my time on Vic 3

[dusky burrow]

And HV3 tank destroyers can get like 310 piercing without MIOs

More like 340 with MIOs

The maximum armor you can actually get on a heavy tank is something like 250

However the AI doesn't make modern tank destroyers, so you should be fine from this threat and your enemy's piercing should be 220 max

Oh wait with squeezebore it should be 375 and 242 but idk I don't have the game open

I think lategame you should probably get 110-120 armor

AKA the piercing of a mech division the AI deploys

[slim nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997853345219874937/1427527775069409290/watermark.gif

[tropic lance]

this is a one in a million chance

I have NEVER seen the socialists lost or the canadians win

[dusky burrow]

Difficult (this is doable with advanced heavies)

(goal is for second division to have more armor than the first has piercing)

[misty fossil]

level 33 mio

SPACE MARINES IS STILL ON THE TABLE BOYS

[brittle cypress]

what the hell is this

[dusky burrow]

A mod

[misty fossil]

a ton of mods

380 armour tanks

nevermind that ic cost

(it just works)

[tropic lance]

900 magic equipment...

[uneven portal]

eaw players are weirdos

[dusky burrow]

You have 2000 soft attack wtf

[tropic lance]

200k manpower is a drop in the ocean for china but 1/4th of of the entire army for any europeans

[viral rain]

I never realize how close to the border Aussieland and New Zealand are

[fair horizon]

well its basically the same country so

[misty fossil]

i forgot that research all researches all the doctrines as well

thats not intended

you should be looking at half that attack

[misty fossil]

you would be right

im a weirdo

i deserve to be judged harshly by god on judgment day

does anyone have a plane design i can borrow rq

[clear dagger]

reject eaw embrace hof

[dusky burrow]

I see

[slim nexus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071125201351360532/1173813351978106991/no_cags_given.gif

[cursive oxide]

is by blood alone a good dlc ?

[copper cobalt]

Plane designer + Italy focus tree

[cursive oxide]

and you get more peace deal stuff right /

like steal there navy and stuf

[copper cobalt]

O.o is that with the dlc

Or just patched into the game

[dusky burrow]

Italy's quite fun

[copper cobalt]

Yeh

[slow nova]

Italian empire in kaisereich 🗿🗿

[cursive oxide]

it aslo adds the market i think

[misty fossil]

finally, M1 abrams in hoi4

[dusky burrow]

amphibious m1 abrams

[fair horizon]

abrams ❤️

[cursive oxide]

you can selcet the shells is can use ?

[misty fossil]

its a mod

[misty fossil]

RAHHHHHH SEMPER FI

[cursive oxide]

Oke but why only HE and apcr

HE is decent and apcr is just stinky

[misty fossil]

because thats all the mod has to offer?

[cursive oxide]

Fair then

[misty fossil]

is there a channel for feedback

[heavy vigil]

No

Pdx forums

[misty fossil]

if there are several task forces totalling >5 carriers reinforcing into a battle the overcrowding penalty should be based on each task force not the combined fleet

[heavy vigil]

Its based on the battle

[misty fossil]

if i have 3 fleets of 5 for a total of 15 go into a fight i shouldnt have any overcrowding

[heavy vigil]

Not about how many task forces or fleets you have

[misty fossil]

thats the problem

but idk how naval air ops work

[heavy vigil]

@hidden spruce

[misty fossil]

?

[marsh ravine]

H4wkf0x knows about them?

[heavy vigil]

He knows how to do carriers

[marsh ravine]

Thats what I said unc

[pearl jackal]

its still like 2.5k kms away

[warped flint]

Why must I be tortured

[dusky burrow]

Scream

[warped flint]

Its 2 am

I want to do bad things now

[dusky burrow]

Are you on PEG or 4 year plan

[warped flint]

PEG

[azure palm]

Why can they even declare war, theyre a protectorate

[copper cobalt]

thats the scandinavian dlc

[dusky burrow]

That makes things less stressful

You can sit on Europe and build a fleet

Well after kicking the enemy out of Scandinavia

Maybe wait for the US to declare war on the UK, which will happen because look at Canada

It's in a civil war between democratic and loyalist factions

[warped flint]

I have stolen a few fleets luckily

[brave steeple]

WHY IS THERE SO MANY 7 AND 14 DAY FOCUSES

[azure palm]

Was there an update over night?

I started this file yesterday

[copper cobalt]

cuz 70days is too long

things should just happen

[brave steeple]

95% of them give like 20 army xp

also what

[viral rain]

Damn

[brave steeple]

these are all 21 days

and all give nothing

[copper cobalt]

20xp 7days yay

[brave steeple]

21 days

not 7

other thing is (this is other nations focus tree)

they might war me

and i have zero help

[pearl jackal]

Yeah Australia's far from everything

[warped flint]

DEUTCHLAND IS INVINCIBLE

[brave steeple]

these are 4 exact same focus trees that give the exact same thing and they take 35 days

why do some mods become focus clickers

[warped flint]

What am I even looking at

[viral rain]

Your average multiplayer match

[safe wing]

Italy has this in vanilla too

[brave steeple]

which path]

i dont have the dlc for italy

[safe wing]

shared

its colonial investments

[brave steeple]

oh

ive done italy once

because i dont have dlc

[safe wing]

you get a unique law that the UK, France and every other nation that has colonies needs TBH

colonial police

[safe wing]

I think its included though

because only alt history Italy is behind the DLC

[brave steeple]

yes and no

some of the hists path

is also blocked

[warped flint]

Rate my encirclement

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/impressive-darth-vader-most-impressive-gif-1233758011459247961

[brave steeple]

7/10 due to italy ai

good tho

[safe wing]

I'm gonna play Imperial Germany for the woman in the highcastle achivement

[harsh oracle]

Thats Kinda spicy ngl

[safe wing]

as long as the UK does't go Communist or Fascist I'm fine

[warped flint]

I remember when I tried to get this achievement

I did Eva braun

I kept losing the civil war

[safe wing]

I'm doing Victoria

[warped flint]

Yeah probably much more easy

I just gave up

[safe wing]

yes considering you fight your civil war WAY earlier

[warped flint]

Mainland europe secured

Sealion soon

[azure palm]

Good luck. And dont become racist against the french or dutch or english, or italians, or austrians

[harsh oracle]

Is that communist germany?

[azure palm]

yes

[safe wing]

WDYM I'm going to priortize fighting the USSR first

[azure palm]

Good luck not becoming racist against russians

[safe wing]

I'm going to try to befriend Eastern Europe via see to the Eastern Front

[harsh oracle]

I can never do them as the civil war is always so difficult for me ahaha

[azure palm]

im trying to do the same

[azure palm]

ever heard of cheesing the civil war?

[harsh oracle]

No Im new to the whole hoi4 i have like 300 hours

[azure palm]

look up a tutorial. Wich path do you want to go?

[safe wing]

huh Poland gives you back Danzig and the rest while Lithuania and the Baltics chances can be increased via diplomacy

[azure palm]

yeah, and the mitteleuropa diplomacy path is overpowerd. Please, befriend chzechoslowakia then you can integrate members in the alliance

[harsh oracle]

Unsure i got put off of it for a while after my third attempt so I did japans communist path which i really enjoy even though its by far the worst way to play them ahaha

[azure palm]

Just dont play democratic path. Its just Monarchist but worse

[safe wing]

true

though I'm only going to intergrate the parts I need for the HRE

[azure palm]

I integrate evrything and release the rest as puppets

[safe wing]

this

[azure palm]

except the ones I dont need any teretorys off like denmark

[warped flint]

Why does my fleets refuse to merge?

[azure palm]

We need a focus tree for Liberia. We just need it.

[harsh oracle]

Have an african focus tree based around decolonization and custom focus trees for those countries that seperate away.

[hasty linden]

damn

[fallow grove]

I hate French focus tree

[warped flint]

How can I make my italian puppet give me corsica

[azure palm]

You cant

[warped flint]

im just gonna annex them

[azure palm]

works too

[warped flint]

Alrigh tso a peacetreaty took place for france, I LITERRALY CARRIED AND KILLED FRANCE, BUT I HAD LIKE NO WARSCORE, US GOT LIKE EVERYTHING

I just annexed france

i don't even care

I DID IT

FINNALOY

ITS 3 AM

VICTORY

[cursive oxide]

Is there a yt tutorial to parar drop the UK ?

[proud tapir]

are there any genuinely good modern world mods that arent millennium dawn (trash)?

[analog ivy]

hoi4 reference in worldbox

[eternal palm]

TFR is good, but very cursed

[heavy vigil]

Modded?

[analog ivy]

probably i do have the modernbox mod

idk if its in the basegame or not

[heavy vigil]

I dont think so

[misty fossil]

you didnt waste 2 billion men on it

thats why you have 0 ws

[candid forge]

Hm

It's all 1500s again

[drifting oracle]

i need help with tank designers

do i focus on soft attack or hard attack

[azure palm]

Im done. Im gonna play historical now

[eternal palm]

Soft attack. Hard attack is for those mean and stinky mp people.

[drifting oracle]

what are the main stuff that i should focus on

[eternal palm]

This is peak sp performance

[heavy vigil]

Battle modifiers

[drifting oracle]

does reliability matter

[eternal palm]

Absolutely not

[eternal palm]

Cheating smh

[drifting oracle]

how is that even possible

[honest night]

Force attack moment

[heavy vigil]

Its equal to full vet + 1 force attack

[eternal palm]

It says it right there

Figured

[heavy vigil]

A bit less stats even

[eternal palm]

Ye 10%

[drifting oracle]

i mean to get that much percentages

[eternal palm]

Div xp is a huge factor, country bonuses, general traits, planning and tactic

Stack all the green numbers you can get

[drifting oracle]

ah

[heavy vigil]

Modifiers matter more than design anyway

[proud tapir]

guys this isnt hoi4 related but far cry primal is so peak

[proud tapir]

alr ill check it out

rlly want a modern world hoi4 but millennium dawn is

well

its millennium dawn

[sudden thistle]

The economy in TFR is ignorable too

[cunning sorrel]

people say novum vexillium but the trees are genuinely shit

it doesn't really have economy mechanics though

[loud shuttle]

what

how

[heavy vigil]

Says in the screenshot

Its not realistic to get that many modifiers thats from a test game

From foxsy*

Actually no, its mostly realistic

[loud shuttle]

okay wow

[heavy vigil]

Doesnt even have air support buff

But youll probably get 6-8K attack

So a bit over half

Thats more common

[misty fossil]

medium cannon for SP, high velocity for MP

people will also say howitzer which is eh

i prefer medium cannons

in case i run into tanks

[drifting oracle]

medium cannon doesnt exist in tfr
im asking abt what should i focus on in the stats

like soft atk speed etc

[misty fossil]

blessed

[misty fossil]

rifled cannon

um

[heavy vigil]

Medium cannon sucks anyway

[misty fossil]

banned

do not say bad things about medium cannons

[misty fossil]

@drifting oracle

[drifting oracle]

ty !!

[misty fossil]

what country are you playing

if china mechanise your entire army

[drifting oracle]

japan

[misty fossil]

ah

[heavy vigil]

Fire

[misty fossil]

i had 540 divisions of just this

[tight crypt]

When release

[heavy vigil]

gore

[misty fossil]

it just works lmao

dont ask me why because even the holy tooltip says it does

[bright forum]

How do I get my troops to WALK OVER TO THE AREA?!

I WANT TO GO BY SEA.

HOW?!

HOW DO I MOVE BY SEA?! I HAVE NAVAL SUPREMACY.

My landing failed because I have no idea how to get the rest of my troops to go to the area.

I hope the new expansion simplifies all this shit.

[heavy vigil]

get a port

[bright forum]

I noticed that area didn't have a port. But once I do get a port, then what?

How do I make my troops get on the boat to do their thing?

If I control a port, can I just draw a front line and my d00ds will move there?

[limber knoll]

How large should a submarine task force be?

[safe wing]

I do 20 subs per flottila

[limber knoll]

Ok

[bright forum]

On the plus side, I actually held naval supremacy because I just set all my dudes to get it, and my giant marine troops pushed straight in.

[candid forge]

Oh ma gawd

[umbral moss]

Does hoi4 require fking internet connection to launch now??

[eternal palm]

It doesn't?

[eternal palm]

Huh

The hell

[umbral moss]

Same when trying to skip the launcher

[eternal palm]

Ouch

[umbral moss]

Ye ouch

[safe wing]

Im batman

[quaint kettle]

Weird bc I played it offline last week

Perfectly fine

[safe wing]

Mine is working atm because I’m playing sheeps mod

[umbral moss]

Wait

I got a good idea

I'll launch it manually using the exe file

[viscid swift]

historical they said... it will replicate real life as much as possible they said...

[umbral moss]

It worked
I'm so sigma

[umbral moss]

Did you play non-hist

Like your nation

Alt hist

[viscid swift]

possibly

i mean

i went with my nation alt history

[umbral moss]

Cuz I'm sure if you yourself don't go hist then other nations won't too

[viscid swift]

but i clicked for it to be historical

[viscid swift]

hm

welp france is now in the comitern i guess

[umbral moss]

So if you do democratic Germany you won't like
Only have the ussr to fight then nun else

[limpid mantle]

gang i cannot beat sheeps ai at ALL

what the hell!

except for italy ai tho it stil suck

[umbral moss]

Step aside bud I'll show you how it's done

[drifting kiln]

france is already rock bottom so making it communist isnt making it any worse

so technically is the same \

[limpid mantle]

does it involve making absolute space marines and being cheesy

[umbral moss]

No

I don't do fhat

[limpid mantle]

neither do i

thats why im struggling

[safe wing]

did you go Monarchist as Germany and deport the communists to France

[viscid swift]

nope i went democratic

[safe wing]

ah

[viscid swift]

france just chose to be stalin i guess

[safe wing]

they can do that

[heavy vigil]

then you can ferry troops over

[viscid swift]

not on my watch

[safe wing]

no I meant they do it when you overthrow Hitler

same with the UK too

[icy crescent]

When you do sth non-his, the AI will act non-his too.
(People say to counteract the power dynamics)

[safe wing]

they will go either communist or fascist or no more appeasement

[bright forum]

And will the game just do that if you draw a front line?

[viscid swift]

yeah no the UK is democratic still

also i definitly didnt go democratic because of this (road to 56)

[heavy vigil]

it will try unless theres like a 99% chance of getting raided

or the zone is blocked off

[bright forum]

Thank you.

[brave steeple]

all roads lead to paris

[viscid swift]

btw guys is there any mod that censors the word fr***e?

[brave steeple]

this mod

they became celtic for some reason

(this is just red flood)

[meager valley]

Commie France gets strong buffs but takes too long to get them to be worthwhile

[safe wing]

hence why Fascist and Monarchist are stronger

[meager valley]

IMO Monarchist is the most fun

[azure palm]

what is the probability that austria picks facism 5 times in a row and joins the axis every time when I go civil war?

[safe wing]

I think you can get rid of disjointed goverment by the end of 1936 as fascist

[meager valley]

All 3 monarchist paths for France can be fun. Albeit dated

With French empire being the best

[brave steeple]

THIS WAR HASNT EVEN BEEN A MONTH LONG

[safe wing]

agreed

[brave steeple]

which one is french empire

[safe wing]

Napoleon

[brave steeple]

napoleon or the spain one or

k

[meager valley]

Franco-Spain is fun too as just a like an early-mid game goal. And gets decent cores

[safe wing]

Kingdom of France is Orelanist and Franco Spain is Bourbon

[safe wing]

should have cores on Sicily and Naples

because that was ruled by a Bourbon until the 1850's

[meager valley]

Yeah like I said they’re dated

Orleanist should also get expansionism

Not just infinite stability

[azure palm]

easy. I bet you I can get 1 million casulties in 1 month

[viscid swift]

https://tenor.com/view/kristen-bell-nah-mmmmno-gif-15581732

[brave steeple]

rigged

[viscid swift]

no that seems more like a skill issue from my perspective

[azure palm]

wrong direction...

[brave steeple]

the entente abandons me the army is weak with a massive debuff

now

i might lose

[viscid swift]

uhh is there an offensive line??

[brave steeple]

why would i go on the offensive

[viscid swift]

so... you didnt put one?

[brave steeple]

i have 450k troops compared to JUST FRANCES 1m

[brave steeple]

i got declared

[viscid swift]

i mean you could've tried

[brave steeple]

it looks cleaner

im fighting a 3 front war

with a army debuff

and

no allies

at all

[viscid swift]

how does someone manage to do this

[brave steeple]

its italy

[viscid swift]

i guess

[brave steeple]

i know what i must do

[viscid swift]

then why'd u play it?>

[brave steeple]

i win

[brave steeple]

i didnt expect the ai to invade me in late 1938

[viscid swift]

you always gotta be prepared

[brave steeple]

and i WAS in the entente

[viscid swift]

bro doesnt know that the allies never help u (poland experience)

[brave steeple]

the entente

not italy

its red flood

[viscid swift]

personally we should get chemical warfare into the game

[misty fossil]

you seem to not be connected to the internet

[misty fossil]

we should make it harder then

brother you dont even have a port how do you think people will get off ships

[misty fossil]

automatically

unlike eu4

[bronze mango]

Germany game

[slim nexus]

Auto split is a bad choice

You should make them reparir sll yogheter

[north spoke]

[azure palm]

that is a sudden jump

[brave steeple]

indeed

[slim nexus]

Big ups everyone

[unreal raft]

what a fantastic song i am listening to

[queen otter]

How do i get collaberation goverments? Is this a dlc??

[jagged acorn]

GOOD DAY PEOPLE.

I have but one question - would people consider in an MP game, as the soviets:

• Invading Turkey + Romania
• Proceding to go after Poland.
• Balkanising all three for industry out of generic industry tree.

A "sweat strat"?

https://tenor.com/view/pusheen-pusheen-cat-pusheen's-best-friend-pusheen-loading-computer-gif-7565637198389470946

[unreal raft]

yes it is in dlc

[queen otter]

Okay ty, i bought the dlc man the guns what does it do?

Is it new weapons?

[unreal raft]

navy stuff

[queen otter]

Ok

[unreal raft]

very complicated

very scary

[slow nova]

are you playing with otto strasser??

[bronze mango]

No I'm playing historical

Otto can't even make reichskommissariats

[slow nova]

but the game calls it greater german reich not germanic

why is called germanic

?

[slow nova]

ok...

[bronze mango]

Since götterdämmerung they changed it from german to gernanic

[slow nova]

ahhhh ok

[indigo violet]

In that case they should be able to core the other "germanic" countries imo

[jagged acorn]

Could someone help me with my question, please?

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-shrek-please-beg-pretty-please-gif-9647046979984591269

[eternal palm]

So several things: First, just annexing those 3 countries makes more sense since its a lot more work to annex them later and with liberated workers u just get more by annexing out right. And what is sweaty or not changes from person to person and is a term that low skill people inflict on people better than them, it means nothing. Being sweaty and being good is the same thing, it just depends on what side of that divide you are. And yea this strat is completely viable

[slow nova]

who wants to play kaiserredux with me????????

[eternal palm]

💀

nobody wants to play KX

Also wrong channel

[slow nova]

well actually that mod is so funny cause the modifiers of the focuses are OP

[safe wing]

Massmob with Prussian doctrine as Imperial Germany is OP AF

[eternal palm]

I know. I played KX. KR in mp is infamous for instability so good luck finding people that wanna play

[safe wing]

I think Shyy played KX MP

[wicked root]

the borders annoy me

[eternal palm]

who?

[safe wing]

user who is seldom on here these days

[slow nova]

templates with infantry and artillery

[safe wing]

used to be a moderator until she retired because she has a family

[eternal palm]

Line arty is pretty bad

dont use it

[bronze mango]

True

[safe wing]

22/0's though

[bronze mango]

Whats wrong with them?

[jagged acorn]

We (me and some other map idiots) were having an MP game last night. Friend of mine did exactly this. We disapproved as we did not want to make the game too competitive.... then again. Hoi is an inherently competitive game.

[safe wing]

with MA R

[wicked root]

nothing lol, the eastern borders always annoy me

[slow nova]

she have manpower now.

🗿

[wicked root]

it just looks weird

[eternal palm]

I mean let mans play the way he wants to play? Soviets in this patch is so much more inferior to germany anyhow and germany can also do things like this. And no you arent being competitive at all

[safe wing]

yes a 1 year old daughter

[eternal palm]

Play hist mp and then come back

[indigo violet]

The vanilla reichskommissariats are just not it tbh

[wicked root]

i tend to split soviet union into five puupet states tho

[slow nova]

you don't know TNO???

[safe wing]

TNO 🤢

[indigo violet]

Perfectly suitable for the frontlines

[wicked root]

whats that

[bronze mango]

True, that's why I changed them in the peace deal

[slow nova]

awww. Finally a good family raised by a gamer girl

[slow nova]

The new order, last days of europe

is a mod

[wicked root]

i play tfr, hearts of oak, r56, novium vexilleium, world ablaze and BICE

[indigo violet]

I just use reichskommissariats + tbh.
Way cleaner borders

[bronze mango]

Historically the germans wouldn'tve taken more than the urals

[slow nova]

OAK???

[wicked root]

yeah

[bronze mango]

I like playing vanilla

[slow nova]

what is hoi oak?

[safe wing]

basically alt history fan fiction

[jagged acorn]

Problem being we gave him a 25% buff. Difficulty was civilian in the namesake of another friend of ours... and he had buggered the game paths without telling us to set other nations to communist.

[safe wing]

thats what TNO is

[indigo violet]

Fair

[eternal palm]

Bruh 💀

How bad do yall suck?

[wicked root]

would have been a massive empire

[safe wing]

its basically what if everything went right for the Axis powers

[eternal palm]

Playing on civ diff is criminal

yea I dont think your friend is the issue

[wicked root]

i like my countries small ☠️

[eternal palm]

Just dont apply buffs and play on regular

[safe wing]

how about Normal diff

thats what I always play on

[slow nova]

I will create the heiliges mittelafrikanisches reich on KX

[eternal palm]

Hoi4 difficulties are shit anyhow nothing but regular should be played

Veteran and elite arent even hard just annoying

[safe wing]

thats the only one I play TBH

also reminds me of Total Wars AI difficulty

[wicked root]

you should play world ablaze

[eternal palm]

Ass mod

[wicked root]

AI cheats so hard its just annoying

[eternal palm]

I'm done with hoi4 overhaul mods

[indigo violet]

Everything until the 50s

[eternal palm]

all of them suck

[eternal palm]

Nah thats a skill issue

[safe wing]

I just use GFX mods and call it

and maybe non historical made playable

[jagged acorn]

I wanted to do this. I have no idea why they applied it.

[safe wing]

yeah its too edgy for me

[wicked root]

i somehow sea lioned to britian, my navy sorrounded their country yet they were getting reinforcements from canada and USA

[indigo violet]

TWR is way more grounded imo

[safe wing]

this

[eternal palm]

Well were u raiding lol?

[indigo violet]

And more fun

[jagged acorn]

It was just an incredibly unfun game.

[eternal palm]

Having naval supremacy doesnt stop convoys from going

You cant blockade a country with naval supremacy thats not how that works

[wicked root]

what

[eternal palm]

U need to actively sink ships

[wicked root]

really

[eternal palm]

YES OMG

[wicked root]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[heavy vigil]

whats a fun hoi4 challenge i wanna play like a ball

surrounded

[wicked root]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[eternal palm]

🤦‍♂️

[wicked root]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

interesting

[safe wing]

alright gonna try my newest Imperial Germany build

navy with massmob

[bronze mango]

That tno fan fork is cool af

[indigo violet]

Poland? Belgium? China maybe?

[heavy vigil]

paraguay is ok but its hard to push

[bronze mango]

Aussa

[indigo violet]

You mean tno requiem?

[safe wing]

Uruguay

[heavy vigil]

ok so ill just die

[indigo violet]

Luxembourg world conquest

[heavy vigil]

ill try

player vs world uruguay

sheeps mod or no

[indigo violet]

Sheeps mod

[slow nova]

TR 56 with banana empire

[heavy vigil]

asking al

[wicked root]

does raiding maintain naval sp

[slow nova]

world conquest

[indigo violet]

Torture yourself 100% or not at all

[eternal palm]

....no

[safe wing]

just to be safe do it without sheepsmod

[eternal palm]

raiding does raiding

Subs arent any good at getting supremacy

[safe wing]

then when you feel confident do it with Sheepsmod

[heavy vigil]

tbh im not sure which is easier

sheeps might be easier

[eternal palm]

U can surface raid, but that only projects supremacy in the zone theyre raiding in

[safe wing]

they are good at convoy raiding

which is what I primarly use them for

[wicked root]

i think i roughly had around 1k subs and 300 cruisers and 400 DD

[bright forum]

I mean, they didn't just dock at Normandy, they got off as close as they could and walked the rest of the way.

I'd think they'd just...get off and walk.

[eternal palm]

...Thats their only job

[bronze mango]

No that rises again one

[eternal palm]

Not exactly a new thing

[safe wing]

I also convert my old submarines to M boats or Mine Boats as I call them

[safe wing]

and to lay mines too I guess

[eternal palm]

Mine laying is pretty pointless?

[safe wing]

fair

[misty fossil]

you know there's another term for that?

[bronze mango]

Only useful for the achievement

[misty fossil]

i believe they call it an "amphibious invasion"

or naval invasion

[bright forum]

Yeah well, an amphibious invasion of territory you already control should be much easier then, since well...not as many people are shooting at you.

[heavy vigil]

i usually dock in space

[bright forum]

Are my troops just babies? "Waaah I don't vant mein boots to get vett."

[misty fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/935989994735169546/1166044131026538627/wall-1.gif

you should just tell them to swim across

[wicked root]

cant you just sail from port to port

[bright forum]

Well if my dudes can naval invade without a dock, surely once I control the territory they should be able to land on the shoreline if it's controlled.

[misty fossil]

the uh

[bright forum]

I didn't control a port. That's the point.

[misty fossil]

did you know you can do a naval invasion order onto your own land

[bright forum]

No, I did not.

[bronze mango]

Build one

[wicked root]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-spongebob-patrick-star-derp-duh-gif-21500047

[misty fossil]

thing is you cant do that with supply ships so all your men starve to death

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[bright forum]

IDK I still think my troops are just babies.

Can't handle a little bloody water.

[wicked root]

whats the issue

[misty fossil]

just babies... justin bieber,,,

hes mad he cant order 100000 men to swim across from denmark to norway

[bright forum]

I think that troops should be able to land on any shoreline you control without a dock, but they're too big of wusses to do it because they got new kicks or something.

[bright forum]

Nah they'd be on a boat.

[misty fossil]

does he know

[bright forum]

But like...just park the boat.

[misty fossil]

does he know

[safe wing]

Did Russia ever need a Democratic path?

[wicked root]

kinda defeats the purpose of ports tho

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/brainrot-cringe-dont-editing-know-gif-650398401862444339

[bright forum]

I mean, maybe. But it would sure make me happier.

[wicked root]

open ~ console; type tp

there

[misty fossil]

he doesnt know

at that stage just type annex all and hit enter

[wicked root]

the wundawaffa will now teleport your troops

[misty fossil]

now you have a port

[wicked root]

hitlers secret bell