hoi4-general

[sinful cloud]

why do you use it so much, why not just save your progress and see what happens

you can always go back

[gleaming iron]

look at mine

[verbal jolt]

is there a mod to disable the console

[gleaming iron]

its normal 😎

[verbal jolt]

?

[gleaming iron]

inbuilt mod

called "Iron Man Mode"

[verbal jolt]

my pc gets fried

but imma just follow acemaker's solution

for now

[uneven portal]

looool

[fair horizon]

RULE INDIA, INDIA RULES THE WAVES

[uneven portal]

all got stuck trying to leave a port

[verbal jolt]

is there a way to 100% hoi4 without buying dlc, or, is it impossible?

[sinful cloud]

you can't, some achievements are only possible with dlc

[verbal jolt]

aw man

[sinful cloud]

go to instant gaming, they usually have cheap keys for dlcs, that's how i got most of them

[zealous wind]

When do I cancel mefo bills as nazi germany 4 year plan

[simple citrus]

where do i watch this

[sinful cloud]

or pirate it, buy it one day once you have money

[simple citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/someone-stop-this-criminal-villager-minecraft-animation-meme-gif-15406811645438830408

[sinful cloud]

i've never bought a game as a teenager, but now i buy everything, even old titles that i played

[simple citrus]

why

[sinful cloud]

couldn't afford it

€60 used to be like 10% of my mom's/dad's monthly pay back in the day

not gonna happen

[simple citrus]

no i mean like

why do you buy them now

[sinful cloud]

can't be bothered with torrenting games, keys are cheaps and i earn enough now to buy them

[verbal jolt]

hoi4 with all of the dlc costs 3792 UAH for me 💔

[fair horizon]

doesnt 4 year plan do it instantly?

[sudden thistle]

It’s really nice to buy games that you pirated

Like I mean u technically paid for it

They got money

U got playtime and fun

Just they got money later

🔥

[sinful cloud]

that's a bit of a shitty part for them, but what can you do

i think it's a positive thing for the developers though

you still get a person who's excited about your game and spreads word of mouth

[verbal jolt]

any tips for soviet invasion? i always fail against them

[sinful cloud]

i was even on gazellegames private tracker for games which is like, top class, but i just don't have the will to pirate games. i do pirate movies and shows though, that shit got expensive af

[sinful cloud]

9/3s and CAS, follow supply lines, you can't fail

[verbal jolt]

what about great britain? i heard their ground forces got really buffed after gotterdamrung or something

[sharp sierra]

they defend their island harder now

[sinful cloud]

they did get buffed a lil by having the AI station more troops at home, but it's still doable, you just need air to make it easier

[verbal jolt]

oh yea im kinda good at air

[sharp sierra]

if ur landing with crap infantry units and dont win air ull just get reinforce memed out

[sinful cloud]

if you're new, i recommend practicing invading UK before russia, so you don't have to worry about the allies while you're practicing soviets

[fair horizon]

amtracs my beloved ❤️

[sinful cloud]

like, cap UK before you attack russia

[sharp sierra]

yea piracy is a totally appropriate response to corporate greed in my opniion

[verbal jolt]

okay

[sharp sierra]

amcrats

[fair horizon]

are amphibious tanks counted as special forces?

[sharp sierra]

actrams

[sinful cloud]

i dont think they are

[safe wing]

I only pirated 2 games in my life Red Alert 2 and Command and conquer tiberium sun for not being available on Steam at the time due to EA being EA

[sharp sierra]

armtacs

[safe wing]

Then they became available for about 3 usd each as part of 12 for 20 usd pack

But that was last year

[sharp sierra]

what about mobile games

[safe wing]

I don’t play those

[sharp sierra]

i remember installing cracked mobile games and stuff

[safe wing]

Unless I am stuck at the DMV

[sharp sierra]

i dont play mobile games either anymore obviously but yk

[safe wing]

Which is basically the worst place to be

[sharp sierra]

i know people who are on pokemon go all the time

[sinful cloud]

to be clear, companies absolutely should get money for their games, but you're usually when you're a teenager you don't have money. Activision on the other hand with their greedy pricing, deserves all the piracy in the world.

World at War costing €20 €30 after 15 years is disgusting

[safe wing]

Because of how boring it is

[sinful cloud]

Read Dead Redemption 1 pc port costing €60 is also disgusting

[safe wing]

CA EA and Ubisoft too

Because Attila total war costs 50 usd despite bring a decade old

[sharp sierra]

rockstar requires you to pirate if you want to play the original san andreas

[fair horizon]

yeah i know that but like the tanks battalions for amphibious tanks, wondering if i can get away with 1 tank design or if i need 2

[sinful cloud]

yeah like awful

[desert pollen]

or have an ancient physical copy

[sinful cloud]

I almost bought Battlefield 6 today, but decided to wait until the enshittifcation begins a month or two in

[safe wing]

Shame because its the best of the later total war titles

[sinful cloud]

you mean the original 1.0?

[feral lark]

the kicker is that i'm not playing as india

[sinful cloud]

i got €133 lined up in my pocket for my PDX overlord this month...

eu5 + expansion pass 2

[safe wing]

Im waiting to see how it is first

EU5

[feral lark]

okay, how the hell does this happen

[uneven portal]

use 14/4 and sfp

it shreds

100%

[sinful cloud]

you think it's gonna flop? everyone seems optimistic

[uneven portal]

@misty fossil can confirm

[safe wing]

I don’t think and I don’t want it to flop I just want to see how buggy it is first

Im cautiously optimistic

[sinful cloud]

didnt they hand out a lot of keys to streamers and they've been playing it a lot? i heard somewhere that generalist gaming got already 1000hrs on it lmao. or was that a joke?

[safe wing]

They did

[dusky burrow]

You should practice both invading the UK before Russia and invading Russia before the UK

[lofty flame]

How much will be the next dlc

[sharp sierra]

48.77 dollars

[safe wing]

Individual or the pack

[fair horizon]

if you didnt make them you obtained them after a war

[slim nexus]

I just heard that it wasn’t optimised but it’s paradox so I’m not surprised tbh

[lofty flame]

Pack

[sinful cloud]

i agree, but like, as a new player, it might be less stressful to get allies out of the war first

[safe wing]

50 usd but the main dlc 20 usd

[sinful cloud]

at least it was less stressful for me when i was first learning the game and learning germany

[feral lark]

i wasn't talking about how i acquired them....check the plane's name

[dusky burrow]

The former forces you to practice land defense, naval construction, and naval invasion
The latter forces you to practice naval defense and land invasion

[lofty flame]

Hell no

[fair horizon]

oh dunno then

[sharp sierra]

im never buying another paradox interactive game

[lofty flame]

The prices are too high

[safe wing]

Buy attila total war for maximum suffering when it drops to 80% off during sale

[lofty flame]

50 bucks? For dlcs?

Hell nahh

[safe wing]

Thats for 4 dlcs

[sinful cloud]

idk man, i don't agree with their pricing or the quality of these releases, but hoi4 and vic3 are the only games i honestly play and i've spent a lot of time on them. when you put it into perspective, it doesn't seem that much money for how much you get out of it.

[lofty flame]

Paradox is milking us

[lofty flame]

How big are the dlcs tho

[sinful cloud]

i've completely stopped playing shooters, pubg, cs, everything

[lofty flame]

What changes

[safe wing]

Next one covers Japan, China and the Philippines

[feral lark]

i look at it as how many hours i get from the DLC vs the cost. $50 for 5 hours? nah. $50 for 100 hours? good price.

[sharp sierra]

garrys mod costs 5 dollars right now

[lofty flame]

Alr

[sharp sierra]

both half life games are 10 dollars

[lofty flame]

İ need to beg my mom i guess for cash

[sinful cloud]

yeah but that's not my cup of tea

i completely switched over to games like factorio, anno, hoi4, vic3, tropico, etc.

[tidal quiver]

Autism took over, I'm planning to invade modern day Italy

[sinful cloud]

can't be bothered with competitive games anymore

[safe wing]

Attila is 80% off atm

[sharp sierra]

im not really interested in really old historical strategy games

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-palpatine-anakin-skywalker-phantom-menace-gif-10607636

[safe wing]

Its only a year older than hoi4

[sharp sierra]

no i mean really old as in the setting of the game

[sinful cloud]

lmao, i love when people roleplay planning big plans like this, and this gets conquered in 3 days in hoi4 because it's 4 tiles 😄

[safe wing]

Oh I get that

But I think your missing out

Its the only strategy game where I truly dread the next turn

[sinful cloud]

i'm the same, but vic3 has been a pleasure, eu5 i'll have to adjust quite a bit to that period of history, i'm really not interested but it has piqued my interest

[safe wing]

Because the Horsemen of the apocalypse are coming

But seriously Horse archers were op until fire arms were invented irl

[sinful cloud]

wait, what game are you two referring to

[safe wing]

Attila total war

The last good total war IMO

[sinful cloud]

isnt rome the goat in total war series?

[safe wing]

Because they went for warhammer after

[safe wing]

Yes

But Attila is my unexpected favorite

Given how its the most difficult most unique

[sinful cloud]

i'll have a look

i played total war a long time ago but would love to go back

[safe wing]

You are to survive the 400s

As Western and Eastern rome you have to basically give up land and consolidate around your capital

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-cringe-dies-of-cringe-stalker-cringe-stalker-dies-of-cringe-gif-12567984544418047021

[dusky burrow]

Also 9/3 isn't a good template, especiall for naval invasions

@fair horizon yes they are

That's part of why amphibious tanks are so op

[fair horizon]

yeah i figured it out, no one tank design >:(

i dont think it should be a special forces tbh

should just be a regular unit without amphibious negatives

[dusky burrow]

Perhaps

[safe wing]

Marines rode them in the pacific primarily

[fair horizon]

and yes its literally just so i dont have to make two seperate designs

[dusky burrow]

I mean

[safe wing]

And the Rangers in Europe during operation Plunder

[dusky burrow]

It isn't hard

[fair horizon]

yeah and they were used in vietnam by regular soldiers

[quaint kettle]

KBs i think, cuz youre dlcs are installed, you just need unlockers which take up no space at all

[safe wing]

That was 20 years after wwii

[dusky burrow]

You take your normal tank design, remove a module, and then place the amphibious module

And by the time you are creating amphibious tanks, you probably should have tons of manpower

[quaint kettle]

france is cooked

[dusky burrow]

Which means infinite special forces

[fair horizon]

they also uses them during dday

[fair horizon]

not me, cant expand worth a crap as australia because everything around you is a puppet or japan wants it

[safe wing]

Amtracs have treads though

[dusky burrow]

Oh

Yeah fair

[safe wing]

Most of the ones at dday didn’t

[fair horizon]

yeah i mean amphibious tanks not amtracs

[dusky burrow]

This is an amphibious tractor

[fair horizon]

yes i mean TANKS

[dusky burrow]

This is an amphibious tank

[dusky burrow]

Just for clarification

[safe wing]

Japan made some of these btw

Though only a handful

[dusky burrow]

The first one is an amphibious mechanized, the second one is an amphibious, well, tank

[safe wing]

Given their shortages of everything

[dusky burrow]

Yeah, although this one is American

[safe wing]

True they were in cod waw from what I remember

Second mission little resistance

[fair horizon]

heres a sherman too

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[safe wing]

Where a few of them square off against type 97s after hitting peliou

[fair horizon]

they put big propellers on the back but either way its still just a tank

why cant regular units use it smh

[safe wing]

Before Sullivan gets bayonetted and dies

Pacific campaign was fun the Eastern front was the best

“Dimitri I see time has not weakened your aim”

[dusky burrow]

To be honest most countries don't build proper amphibious tanks nowadays since tanks have gotten way heavier and denser, but snorkels still help them cross rivers

[safe wing]

“You could learn much from this man Chernov”

[fair horizon]

also because landing on a beach with a tank is suicide nowadays

[dusky burrow]

And most amphibious tanks nowadays are dedicated amphibious platforms

[verbal jolt]

what are the french key points? where do i drop my airborne forces?

[dusky burrow]

True, but that's even more recent

[safe wing]

Calais Paris Orleans

[verbal jolt]

and they will cap instantly

?

[dusky burrow]

That works too

Normally I give Tours instead of Calais tbh

[sinful cloud]

mate 9/3 did wonders for me, it aint the most optimal template but it still shreds against AI, don't scare monger these newbies here

[dusky burrow]

Yes they will, they have a 80% debuff to capitulation

[sinful cloud]

hell, you can do 9/0 and some CAS and you're good

[safe wing]

Wasn’t Calais English until the 1500s

[sinful cloud]

y'all are too elitist

[dusky burrow]

Yes

[verbal jolt]

i do not understand france lol..

[fair horizon]

any division is good with cas

[safe wing]

CAS > Tanks

[dusky burrow]

Yeah this is a bad feature

[versed rapids]

I'm glad they're removing the fascist ideology for Japan in the historical path, they never were

[dusky burrow]

Disjointed Government is too detrimental

[safe wing]

They aren’t only at the start now

[dusky burrow]

Since my family is from China I have to disagree

[sinful cloud]

you'll become fascist just not immediately, right?

[dusky burrow]

That makes more sense though

[safe wing]

They were a failing democracy in 1936 that became a fascist military dictatorship

[dusky burrow]

Not really

[versed rapids]

It says non aligned

And then you have to choice to become fascist or not

[fair horizon]

you simply do not have enough cas if it isnt

[sinful cloud]

yeah but i think it says you'll flip flascist later on

[dusky burrow]

For defense yes, but for offense you want to stack breakthrough to keep yourself in the fight longer

Because CAS only operates during battles

[fair horizon]

me when 10000 cas tries to fight my 36w just line arty

[dusky burrow]

If you're attacking with a 9/0 that immediately de-orgs, your CAS is doing nothing

[sinful cloud]

throw more bodies my boy while cas does damage

[sinful cloud]

absolutely not true

[sudden grotto]

Any navy USA enjoyers?

[quaint kettle]

i was just abt to look that up lol

[versed rapids]

Though I'm sad we won't get Hirohito anymore😭😭😭😭

[dusky burrow]

Lmao

[fair horizon]

US Navy ❤️

[dusky burrow]

Hirohito should be a national spirit

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warships-battleship-uss-missouri-enel-gif-15986744

[fair horizon]

shes a cutie

[versed rapids]

Yeah but it looks cool to have him as the leader imo

Even if it's not historically accurate

[sudden grotto]

Always

[versed rapids]

The focus tree looks sick too

We're getting cores on west asia!!!!!

[sudden thistle]

"little bit off the top please"

i swear half of that battleship's superstructure is gone

[sudden grotto]

"i said Just an inch off the top"

[sharp reef]

yo where should i buy the game

[sudden grotto]

becomes bald

[sudden grotto]

Epic games

[sudden thistle]

steam

nah wait

do uhh

supercell

[sharp reef]

do i just buy an account

games 60 bucks

[sudden grotto]

Isnt that illegal?

[sharp reef]

no?

[sudden grotto]

Hmmm

[sharp reef]

amazon has it

im pretty sure

[fair horizon]

is this better?

[sudden thistle]

yeah

[sudden grotto]

Hood?

Nelson?

[sudden thistle]

wait

[fair horizon]

fuso

[sudden thistle]

amazon?

[fair horizon]

i think

tbh i cant tell japanese ships apart

[sudden grotto]

I Just searched and its the nagato, so the flagship?

Wasnt the nagato the pride of the fleet?

[fair horizon]

mabye? i thought it was the yamato or one of their carriers

[versed rapids]

Historically, how did Japan have such a strong navy with such low resources ?

[dusky burrow]

A bit of stability + war support, not 60% of course since Japan was pretty unstable in this time period

[fair horizon]

it bought most of its ships from britian during ww1-ww2 and then during ww2 built a lot of its own

[dusky burrow]

They could buy stuff

Until the great depression, at which point tariffs meant they could buy less

[fair horizon]

like the mikasa is literally just a british design

and its current day one uses the chilean battleship's parts

[dusky burrow]

Which fueled their drive into Manchuria, putting even more economic restrictions

[versed rapids]

Yet they had one of the best navy in the world at that time, crazy if you ask me

[dusky burrow]

And thus they could buy even less

[dusky burrow]

Mikasa was literally built in Britain

[fair horizon]

keep in mind it took them 2 years to build the yamato and the usa pumped out 4 iowas in the same time

[dusky burrow]

The Satsuma class of semi-dreadnoughts were the first class built in Japan

[fair horizon]

yeah thats what i said

just in a poorly articulated way

[versed rapids]

That doesn't make any sense though, why would Britain allow Japan to build such strong ships while they were holding a treaty

[fair horizon]

treaties dont matter if you ignore them 🧠

[dusky burrow]

Spain actually built ships to British designs in their own yards

[sudden thistle]

hitler-1930s

[dusky burrow]

So it's not exactly equivalent

[umbral agate]

Can someone explain how gbp left is better than mobilne warfare LR cuz u can gte like 3 more tank divs in for the same org

[fair horizon]

yes my russian friend i wont attack you after we take poland

[dusky burrow]

Japan left the treaty

[brittle cypress]

google HP

[fair horizon]

because mw is garbage

[dusky burrow]

Also they were fooled into thinking the Yamatos were much smaller than they were

[fair horizon]

ill still use it but its worse

[dusky burrow]

GBP left is strong for the planning bonus

Which is basically a flat modifier on top of attack and breakthrough

[umbral agate]

Alr

[fair horizon]

tbf they didnt start laying it down till 1937 and they had left it in january of 36

the nelsons are my favorite because they're treaty battleships that used all the exploits to be stronger than they were supposed to

[dusky burrow]

Oh yeah the Nelsons

Almost the peak of British engineering

[versed rapids]

Still, Britain still held it

[dusky burrow]

The unfortunate part about them is that they were designed to fight a WWI line style of combat

[verbal jolt]

excuse me, why is my vichy france green

[sinful cloud]

i can get a wargoal against myself

[dusky burrow]

Well, partially, they did not abide by the same terms but invoked the escalator clause

[fair horizon]

nah peak of british engineering was back in 1776 when they created the best nation to ever exist 😎

[versed rapids]

It doesn't make any sense why would they let another superpower empower itself even more

[dusky burrow]

Happens

[fair horizon]

its sick, take it to a doctor

[dusky burrow]

Do you know of doctors that specialize in Vichy Frances?

[fair horizon]

De Gaulle

[verbal jolt]

great britain embargoed me from all the doctors

😔

[dusky burrow]

Oof that hurts :(

[fair horizon]

doesnt want it to spread, look at what happened to canada already 🙏

[sinful cloud]

Ok I dont know why I didnt set up AHK sooner for HoI4

This is a f*ing lifesaver

[verbal jolt]

how does the game decide where i can start a paratroop order and where i cant

[fair horizon]

needs to be at an airport

[verbal jolt]

but i have a airport at calais

yet it doesnt allow me

[remote quarry]

the naval treaty has a ratio of 5:3

[fair horizon]

Do you have transport planes there?

[remote quarry]

between uk and japan

[verbal jolt]

no- ohh i get it now

i didnt know allies were so easy to beat, i just rushed them with paratroopers..

[remote quarry]

and like, what make you think the japan fleet is stronger than uk?

[dusky burrow]

There are two aspects to this

Japan couldn't really compete with the US or UK in ship construction; the UK could lay multiple battleships every year, whereas Japan would financially struggle doing the same

[simple citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/skrillex-electrocuted-electrocute-electrocution-bangarang-gif-11891465766745845470

[dusky burrow]

Nevertheless they still demanded a 7:10 ratio with the US, and the 3:5 ratio of IRL made them appear weak

[simple citrus]

blublublu blablabla

is that remilia on your pfp

[dusky burrow]

No

[simple citrus]

why

who is is then

[dusky burrow]

Roccia from Wuthering Waves

[daring creek]

should i buy gotterdammerung or no step back

[remote quarry]

and irl you don't just deathstack your fleet like hoi😭

[remote quarry]

no step back 100%

[dusky burrow]

Deathstacking made sense in the confined waters of the North Sea, as we see in WWI

[sudden grotto]

Fr?

Globalization on a whole other level

[dusky burrow]

It didn't in the vast oceans of the Pacific

But a deathstack battle could very well happen, or so Japanese planners thought

[sudden thistle]

The US isn’t even fair to compare

[dusky burrow]

True

Realistically they could never get the 7:10 ratio they needed/theorized for their own defense

[verbal jolt]

why is adrien arcand so freaking creepy

[dusky burrow]

IDK

Ask Adrien Arcand

[fair horizon]

Yeah same ship basically so they fixed it up using donated parts from the chilean battleship (cant remember its name) and thats how its a museum ship today

The only non-american battleship museum too iirc

[sudden thistle]

“Oh shit we made too many ships such a shame”

[dusky burrow]

And your nation is bankrupt as a result

Bankruptcy is unfortunately not simulated in HOI4

[thick kettle]

Lobotomy in 1942 (im playing as romania)

[fair horizon]

brain hurt

[dusky burrow]

China versus the world

And China might be winning

[thick kettle]

not really

[sudden thistle]

Just raise the debt ceiling

[thick kettle]

i just pushed them out of Guangzhou with medium tank/smol tank and motorized divs

[dusky burrow]

They didn't get off the Gold Standard yet 😭

[thick kettle]

they lost their ranks somehow

[fair horizon]

Losing equipment can do that, adding to the division etc

[sudden thistle]

Field hospitals

[thick kettle]

Soon

[fair horizon]

Wait are you playing portugal? 🤮

[thick kettle]

No 💀

Romania

[dusky burrow]

Romanian

[thick kettle]

Read

[dusky burrow]

Those aren't tildes

[fair horizon]

Isnt that the portugese spelling?

[thick kettle]

they're

romanian

[thick kettle]

romanian

[fair horizon]

Nah i dont trust you

[lost widget]

Wtf is that turkey

[thick kettle]

THEN WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IT 💔

[dusky burrow]

r/portugalsukablyat

[thick kettle]

Turkey

😭

[safe wing]

I need supply

[thick kettle]

im playing a non-historical game

where germany is still fascist

[dusky burrow]

Seriously those are blindată and rezervă

[thick kettle]

-# and i have mods on

[fair horizon]

Dont we all big al the dinosaur from walking with dinosaurs: Ballad of big al

[thick kettle]

Most likely yes

[dusky burrow]

Those aren't portuguese words

[safe wing]

you got the refernece

[frank igloo]

https://x.com/TwinkRedGuard/status/1976173036010430566

LordCommissar15 (@TwinkRedGuard)

@KarnesMellagio Frankly the Civic Faction being the "good" guys and the Zaibatsu faction even being a thing is far, far more sloppy

X · Oct 9, 2025, 6:29 AM

saw this in another discord

[fair horizon]

I have the disk in its stupid crap 2000s flip case that always broke still lol

[thick kettle]

Rate the division

[fair horizon]

Oh its horrible 🤮

No air attack

[thick kettle]

that's because i haven't put in AA yet

[frank igloo]

ts so ass

[dusky burrow]

I don't know about your mods

[fair horizon]

0/10

[dusky burrow]

But as said get AA

For the air attack and piercing

[thick kettle]

Will do so

[dusky burrow]

You can do a lot more with 10 support companies than vanilla's 5

[sudden thistle]

💔

[dusky burrow]

But you should spare expense on infantry

[frank igloo]

20 width with 2 attack arty 🥀

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[safe wing]

Japan was hoping IRL that the Soviet union would Mediate the whole war between them and the west

[thick kettle]

hey atleast im not playing multiplayer at the least

[fair horizon]

Then attacked the russians during the peqce treaty lmao

[safe wing]

it didn't happen because Stalin wanted to avenge 1905

[frank igloo]

pack it up uninstall its over

[thick kettle]

Not my thing really

[thick kettle]

buddy what's your division then vro

[safe wing]

heres mine

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/black-beard-peak-writing-black-beard-marshal-d-teach-peak-writing-barba-negra-gif-5446515270440960312

[sudden thistle]

Best div in the game

Undisputed

[dusky burrow]

I thoguht you were Xinjiang

[thick kettle]

basic division yet useable enough to fight

[fair horizon]

That would push easily into entrenched cas forts

[dusky burrow]

In which case the maintenance company would be pretty helpful

[sudden thistle]

Exactly

[safe wing]

no I'm fighting them

[dusky burrow]

But yeah you're Russia

[safe wing]

and Turkey and Greece are in the same faction

[dusky burrow]

Is scavenging equipment really worth it

[sudden thistle]

That div has taken Moscow, London. Tokyo, Stockholm, DC, Mexico City

[fair horizon]

Byzantium

[sudden thistle]

Nothing can beat it

Except my manpower when I battleplan it

[dusky burrow]

???

[fair horizon]

Saber pfp but not actually

[dusky burrow]

Nijika from Bocchi the Rock

[sudden thistle]

Wha

Do u guys just now notice my pfp?

It has been like this for 6 months

[fair horizon]

i have them turned off on my pc

[safe wing]

I've noticed it since day one

[fair horizon]

You should change it to mordred from fate

[dusky burrow]

I've noticed it for a while now

I just didn't have anything to say about it

[sudden thistle]

I was confused

[thick kettle]

love economy

the hell did i put in my mod man...

[sonic sand]

this looks like its from roblox

[dusky burrow]

😭

[sonic sand]

@simple citrus

is this real?

[pliant gale]

what

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-is-this-piece-of-shit-joe-pesci-gif-8346689911295826250

[sonic sand]

@grok is this true?

[thick kettle]

EW

that skin mod

[thick kettle]

no.

[azure mantle]

Do anyone of you have the kaiserredux server?

I dont like normal kaiserreich

[keen terrace]

Never

[safe wing]

I never have anime portraits

anyways I'm never playing naval Tsarist Russia ever again

[ripe slate]

https://discord.gg/5KdFMYK

[dusky burrow]

Hello marjin

What should be my punishment if I produce artillery

[keen terrace]

It’s childish

[keen terrace]

Het is marijn lul

[keen terrace]

None

Rewards

[dusky burrow]

Oh shoot mistyped

[dusky burrow]

And what rewards

[safe wing]

do you have cancer portraits

[keen terrace]

You mean leaders with cancer or

[safe wing]

basically meme portraits

[keen terrace]

Ohh

[safe wing]

I should probably take this down

[keen terrace]

I genuinely didnt know what it was lol

No I have hearts of sigma portrait

[keen terrace]

Soft attack

[safe wing]

William Afton as Earl Browder though

[keen terrace]

Overwhelming firepower>mobile warfare

[safe wing]

uh...

how am I going to say this...

[dusky burrow]

I must pay in organization though, right?

[keen terrace]

400 soft attack in return is worth it

[safe wing]

Superior firepower and Mobile warfare aren't worth it tbh

Mass Assault right and Grand battleplan left are the best doctrines now

[keen terrace]

Superior more than mobile

[keen terrace]

Hmm

I disagree

[safe wing]

I thought the same until I tried

[keen terrace]

Superior firepower is always my go to

[safe wing]

it was for me too

[keen terrace]

I’ll try it but im not too sure

I’ve always done good with artillery

And rocket artillery

[safe wing]

oh did you know that Illyria (modern former Yugoslavia) was Romes most important province because of manpower

and alot of the late Roman Emperors Auerilain, Diocletan, and the Constantinian dynasty came from the area too

Theodosius came from Spain intrestingly enough

[keen terrace]

Yeah

[safe wing]

Gallienus was the last Roman Emperor from Italy

[ripe slate]

wdym

[safe wing]

good emperor too

[dusky burrow]

Those who use line artillery must be punished, am I right?

[safe wing]

like everyone gives Auerlian credit for saving Rome but without Gallienus Rome would have died earlier

he basically was given an empire that was on the brink of collapse and despite endless setbacks he did a insane job at keeping the empire together

[ripe slate]

Oh, yes

[remote quarry]

play with https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3507932132

[brave steeple]

... pretty cool indochina focus tree

[safe wing]

This upcoming or modded

[brave steeple]

the great war redux
-# aka modded ofc

[safe wing]

Looks official

Had me fooled

[brave steeple]

is very good tbh

great war redux is good mod

[orchid lily]

Me when some random colony has a more interesting focus tree than some majors in Europe

[brave steeple]

morocco

[safe wing]

No Al Andalusia option

Missed opportunity

[brave steeple]

TUNIS

idk how this is better than half of the hoi4 focus trees that are DLCS

[safe wing]

Should have a Al Andalusia option too

[brave steeple]

(aka france)

yea

should of

french focus tree is so bad

and usa

usa, uk and france

[safe wing]

Given how Morocco and Tunis were part of the same empire

[brave steeple]

the dutch tbh has a better focus tree

[sudden thistle]

Is anyone here good with photoshop

I next you to edit a picture quickly

[safe wing]

Spain isn’t tough

[brave steeple]

absurd ottomans

[brave steeple]

i can edit anything

trust me

i dont do it much

[safe wing]

So a decent experienced player could take them out as Morocco

[orchid lily]

I'm actually surprised how hoi4, one of if not the most profitable game for paradox has surprisingly little content

Like bro, how hard is it to add decent focus trees to minors?

[brave steeple]

money

[safe wing]

I could argue the same for attila total war

Which my favorite total war game

[brave steeple]

stellaris tbh has actual good dlcs

ANY souls dlcs

[sudden thistle]

Just edit the “please say” “copy text and send it”
And “not”

[safe wing]

They just revealed the map for the lord of the rings mod

[sudden thistle]

Just make it disappear

This dude WILL play Germany

[brave steeple]

i cant edit msgs that isnt on discord itself

i cant use photoshop

[orchid lily]

Stellaris has good content

[brave steeple]

i can use console

or whatever its called

[safe wing]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1vHYR_zDihQ&si=OtQZc9aIBTBZ9EED

[brave steeple]

on browser

[sudden thistle]

How do I do that

[orchid lily]

I just wish they gave the npc empires more personality, since larping is the main reason anyone plays stellaris tbh

[brave steeple]

ctrl+ shift + c

[orchid lily]

I too enjoy larping as a random empire in stellaris from time to time

[brave steeple]

on BROWSER

ONLY ON BROWSER

[sudden thistle]

THANL YOU

UR MY POOKIE

[safe wing]

It took them 10 years to figure out to edit the map

[brave steeple]

i cant spell mongolia

[hexed rose]

the worm

[finite nacelle]

mhhhh

[safe wing]

Plants vs zombies fan?

[hexed rose]

https://tenor.com/view/squash-time-squash-time-plants-vs-zombies-plants-gif-2801354419589217687

yes 🤑

[safe wing]

Squash is a good one use plant

[hexed rose]

top 5 plant all time

https://tenor.com/view/gumbus-cat-dance-butternut-squash-butternut-squash-gif-10935756350819563087

[safe wing]

Gloom shroom though

Thats number one

[orchid lily]

Squash overrated

Cherry bomb is just better

[hexed rose]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-40123618314459872

cherry bomb goated yeah 🤑

[hexed rose]

😭 wtf

2/10 take

[safe wing]

If using the gloom walk strategy it shreds

Basically requires garlic

[hexed rose]

https://tenor.com/view/plants-vs-zombies-pvz-plush-luigifan00001-fume-shroom-gif-16345772

[hexed rose]

fume shroom is the best night plant thou

[brave steeple]

i edited this page

[merry skiff]

new dev diary coming tomorrow?

or next week?

they should really use the Gotterdammerung schedule of two DD's a week

given we are only a month away from release

[feral lark]

no more chile....please, no more chile....i just want to leave south america and go home...

[heavy vigil]

Chile sucks

Argentina and brasil are fun tho

[feral lark]

honestly, not even very impressive stats....excluding the obvious ones......

oh.....i just made a discovery.....i am going to have to investigate this and report back later...heh heh

[safe wing]

My pc locked up as Brazil

I think it overheated

[dusky burrow]

flame tanks and assault engineers or pioneers would be useful here too

I also assume you don't have 1939 infantry equipment

[sudden thistle]

w

[merry skiff]

bro wtf they literally have the best focus tree out of all the countries that got updated in that stinky dlc

[dusky burrow]

Oof

At least five of these can be done in one playthrough

[frozen isle]

done

[gusty oracle]

why do I keep getting pushed out

[dusky burrow]

How's air looking

[old thistle]

All of that waiting just to be kicked wow

[dusky burrow]

Also the enemy has tanks

Just retreat across the sea, you can try again later

[gusty oracle]

yellow

[dusky burrow]

Are you CAS-ing the enemy or are the enemy CAS-ing you

[gusty oracle]

I cant

[dusky burrow]

Why not

[gusty oracle]

im casing but losing a lot of planes

[gusty oracle]

USA will join soon

[dusky burrow]

Okay

[dusky burrow]

You can destroy their navy too

At best they will double the UK's navy

I sealioned before in 1942

[gusty oracle]

im not invading the USA

my everything is too shit

[dusky burrow]

You can invade the UK

[gusty oracle]

also my game is bugging out

its playing the naval invasion alarm constantly

[dusky burrow]

Huh

Either way, do defend from those too

[gusty oracle]

theyre reverse naval invading me

[dusky burrow]

Just win

[gusty oracle]

its impossible

[dusky burrow]

Are they naval invading you with 30 meta marines?

[gusty oracle]

I can never naval invade UK as italy anymore

[dusky burrow]

Why is that?

[gusty oracle]

I dont think you undersatnd

[gusty oracle]

I dont know

thats why im asking for help

[dusky burrow]

First thing's first your position in Britain is unsalvageable

You must leave or lose 5 divisions

[sudden thistle]

carpet nuke the UK

then invade

trsut

trust

[dusky burrow]

I mean that helps but meh

[gusty oracle]

im aware

it was way more than 5

[dusky burrow]

Second thing you must do is neutralize the enemy fleet

[gusty oracle]

it was like 20

[gusty oracle]

how

[dusky burrow]

Naval bombers, ships, you're spoiled for choice

[gusty oracle]

my fleet is destroyed

[dusky burrow]

You can build another one

[gusty oracle]

theres no time

the war is lost

[sudden thistle]

atleast they are trying

[dusky burrow]

You can buy time

[carmine crown]

THEY TOOK AWAY MY NAPOLEON

[dusky burrow]

Close the Suez, take Gibraltar, that will buy you a lot of time

[gusty oracle]

why

[dusky burrow]

Because then your only threats would be the Soviet Union and allied naval invasinos

[dusky burrow]

So that you won't get naval invaded in Italy itself

[gusty oracle]

they never naval invaded me

they suck

[dusky burrow]

But they definitely could

[gusty oracle]

its just I cant get on the isles

[dusky burrow]

If the Soviet front is stable and the Med is closed, you have all the time in the world

[gusty oracle]

med is open, im not at war with soviets

[dusky burrow]

So you either don't have Suez or don't have Gibraltar?

[sudden thistle]

rip

[gusty oracle]

yep

I dont see why I need those

[sudden thistle]

we told you

[gusty oracle]

I dont care about the Mediterranean

[buoyant heath]

If you control the sues and Gibraltar the British can’t get into the med

[buoyant heath]

What country r u

[gusty oracle]

italy

[buoyant heath]

…

[gusty oracle]

I just want to knock out uk

[buoyant heath]

Secure the med first

You may even trap the British fleet there

[gusty oracle]

fine

[fickle thicket]

quickest historical timeline allies cap so far

[sudden thistle]

we are telling you this for a reason

[sudden thistle]

poland 😭

[fickle thicket]

yes

and also i balkanized africa

[gusty oracle]

I'll try I guess

but this still doesnt explain why I cant hold an invasion

[fickle thicket]

need those civs

[sudden thistle]

it helps

the reason why is most likely skill issue

[gusty oracle]

I did it before

when i knew way less about the game

@dusky burrow @sudden thistle I control suez and gibraltar

[sudden thistle]

hunt the med for british fleet

a good chunk should be there

[crisp wyvern]

hello gravel timmies

or whtv, im having a really bad headache rn, but my inner alf landon is telling me to hop on hoi4

which nation would you guys recommend me to play today

[sudden thistle]

yunnan

[crisp wyvern]

i said nations, not psychological torture

https://tenor.com/view/ww1-fiat-tank-renault-ft17-i-drive-ryan-gosling-gif-9120924170441533043

[sudden thistle]

iran

[crisp wyvern]

i guess that's slightly better

[gusty oracle]

strike force?

[crisp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/hearts-of-iron-4-naval-gif-12542253955591881556

[gusty oracle]

high risk engagement?

[cedar kite]

paradox made it that nations with default focus trees wont do their industry until 1939 if they only have 1 state

[fickle thicket]

i know

just gotta wait

most of em already doing their industry as its early 40

[left sigil]

can you form the holy roman empire in r56

[dusky burrow]

By the way some useful designs

Alternate version of marines with more break and less soft attack

[opal nymph]

Why secondary batteries instead of more light cruiser guns

[sudden thistle]

cheaper/more stats

[brittle cypress]

it's just slightly more efficient

[sudden thistle]

i swear its like that

[brittle cypress]

in terms of attack per ic i believe

[opal nymph]

The minmax is real

Going to make an Atlanta class where it is just all dual purpose guns

Going to be as useful as the ones IRL

[silk fern]

why did the volunteers i sent to italy land here

[fair horizon]

Australia

More people complaining might get the war adivsory council focus deleted so

[fair horizon]

Used in dumb ways that cause them get sunk?

[dusky burrow]

They're about the same light attack per ic efficiency, but you get more cruisers out this way

[opal nymph]

Going to send them to take on Japanese ships in the middle of the night

[fair horizon]

lmao

[dusky burrow]

I forgot I should post the tank designs used here, and these might not be the best ones

[fair horizon]

37% reliability makes me cringe

the amount of tanks id lose to attrition

[dusky burrow]

Attrition in a naval landing?

[opal nymph]

The IC cost seems intense

[fair horizon]

figured the light tank was just for doing light tank stuff

[dusky burrow]

When taken together they cost 628 ic per division, which is fine

One is a flame tank and the other is recon

[fair horizon]

this just for support companies?

[dusky burrow]

Yes

[fair horizon]

ah makes sense then

[opal nymph]

I usually put IC in fuel drums, dozer blade, and the breakthrough one

Extra ammo stowage

[dusky burrow]

Also this is Italy so these tanks are cheaper

[fair horizon]

italian tanks

[dusky burrow]

And using basic HV cannon obviates the need for AA for piercing reasons

The tank cost is now 604 ic

[opal nymph]

But what about AA for AA reasons

Or 10000 fighters and CAS

[dusky burrow]

And the other design is like this

[dusky burrow]

AA for AA reasons is honestly fine, just refer to the original posted designs

[dusky burrow]

Normally these are used in MP, so they would be using motorized AT for the piercing

[zealous silo]

is expert ai redundant? i play with sheep ai most of the time but dont wanna sweat

better ai mod was too ez crushed ger in 41

[opal nymph]

Expert AI gives AI cheats

So more production, less supply use, all that stuff

Sheeps Mod does MP strats

So MP strats with cheats might be a lot to deal with

[zealous silo]

yeah im aware it also used to produce better divs tho. i hate the fact it cheats though. i can just buff them in vanilla

[opal nymph]

So i assume Sheeps Mod was a pushover for you?

Axis tends to struggle in that mod I think

Even my non optimal Soviet game I pushed them back with a lot of stuff

[zealous silo]

nah contrary i can win, especially as the USSR. Germany I struggle, i can do well against Russia but even 120 16 cw with shovels and AA doesnt hold off dday.

but def not a pushover

[opal nymph]

Yeah, I mean you easily win

Oh i see now

[zealous silo]

requires me to min maxx everything which was hard at first since i played mp comp back in nsb and man the guns lol

had no idea what the meta was

past bba

Just looking for a mod thats easier than sheeps mod but harder than eai

[opal nymph]

That IDK

Maybe the original version of sheep's mod, but that no longer exists

"Sheep's Mod to make dimitry suffer" or something like that

That gave boosts to the UK and Japan for sealion defense, Endsieg mechanics for Germany

[zealous silo]

i was one of the first to find out about it via obscure forum post, i cant remember fully but i think it was roughly same skill

[fair horizon]

chat whats a good eu4 country to play as?

[zealous silo]

portugal

[opal nymph]

France?

[fair horizon]

portugal it is

[opal nymph]

From what I heard

[zealous silo]

france is fun but uniting the nation is just cuckoldry leveled pain

but after that its super fun and op

[fair horizon]

yeah ive played as a total of ireland like 6 times

and nothing else

[zealous silo]

portugal is better off

especially the colonial mechanics

super fun

also castille is good you get a royal wedding to unite spain

the rest is a breeze

[ancient marsh]

ayyy the carriers are carrying

[dusky burrow]

Nice

[opal nymph]

US and Japan when they finally understood air power circa 1941/42

[dusky burrow]

Although given that you're striking primarily destroyers

I don't think that was your carriers

[fair horizon]

cute carriers

[dusky burrow]

That was certainly your cruisers

[ancient marsh]

whatever it was its expensive to repair

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/graf-zeppelin-azur-lane-gif-2379814731333511595

[dusky burrow]

gfl moment

[dusky burrow]

Yeah your carriers probably did a lot of damage

[ancient marsh]

just as i thought id try naval germany i spend the next 5 months repairing my ships

[iron helm]

the naval experience

[dusky burrow]

Also btw if you do have airborne armor do use airborne armor instead of light recon for the marines, this will increases your stats, especially breakthrough, noticeably

[fair horizon]

oh its horrible 🤮

why come how for not amtrac

[dusky burrow]

To be fair IDK whether paratrooper doctrine is better or marine doctrine is better for dedicated divisions

[fair horizon]

marine way better

[remote quarry]

mountaineer is better

[dusky burrow]

But if you are looking to convert a normal infantry or mountaineer into a makeshift marine, or you are attacking with amphtrac armor, then marine doctrine is definteily better

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

But majors like Italy (which is depicted here) get 2

So what should the second one be is the question

[fair horizon]

iirc all countries get two

some have to do a focus and other just have a decision after 1940?

[dusky burrow]

Yes

[tepid crown]

Mountaineer marines are more meta now

[sudden thistle]

the 1st is better that livadeia sent ngl

[dusky burrow]

True, in this case I was using that for demonstration

[tawdry ore]

Anyone wanna play co op or something? Newer player just looking to play with someone

[remote quarry]

mountaineer

it's much cheaper

[dusky burrow]

To be fair I'm not so sure how much difference this makes, although I'm sure mine is better when attacking forts or urban terrain

[dusky burrow]

?

I said it is the first doctrine you pick

[remote quarry]

marine?

[dusky burrow]

Second can only be marines or paratroopers, it can't be mountaineers

[remote quarry]

ofc you always need to pick marine

[dusky burrow]

I see

Fair enough, I'm guessing this is because marine doctrine gives a lot of buffs dispersed throughout the tree, like amphtrac cost reductions, air superiority, planning, and naval invasion capacity

[remote quarry]

i mean you basically have to

so you can hold invasion planning

otherwise your planning decays as the division moves to the port

so the choice is between paratrooper and mountaineer

[dusky burrow]

Okay tbf I don't know about that part

[brittle cypress]

naval invade from the irish border : clueless:

[remote quarry]

mountaineer is way cheaper(because it's all just guns)

[dusky burrow]

Not everyone has an Irish border though

[remote quarry]

mech has slightly more hp and give you quite a bit of hard attack(+ para light if you do paratrooper doctrine)

[remote quarry]

yeah that would be pretty tricky

but it costs a lot more

and not doing mountaineer doctrine is really really bad after you land

[brittle cypress]

?

[remote quarry]

I think

im not 100% sure

but I remember once doing this(on france)

if your division is assigned to an invasion order

it will lose planning even if it's on the border

so you would have to lose 7 days of planning

[fair horizon]

hms glorious moment

[dusky burrow]

Oof

[crisp stone]

rommel in tears

[dusky burrow]

Harder difficulty mod?

[west sequoia]

bro... what is THIS???

[sudden thistle]

meta

[misty fossil]

37w?

[sudden thistle]

The mountaineer width reduction wasn’t added I think

[lost pike]

why is there no mutiplayer games on hoi4

[shy steppe]

Which path do I do to get Miklos horthy as a naval commander?

[sudden thistle]

It wasn’t

[lost pike]

i only see some guy saying i was r worded by a woman server yall too??

i need help

[sudden thistle]

Multiplayer hoi4 is screwed

[lost pike]

do you see it too?

[sudden thistle]

Idk why they aren’t fixing it

[sudden thistle]

I don’t do public servers like that

But yes others report it

[lost pike]

can you check tho?

oh Ok

[sudden thistle]

I just got into bed

[lost pike]

all good

[sudden thistle]

🔥

[lost pike]

i see on tech support now

hoi4 admins are useless

[misty fossil]

ban

[sudden thistle]

I don’t think anyone in this server is at fault for it

[lost pike]

dude its not me its a freak on servers spamming it

[sudden thistle]

So don’t blame them

[lost pike]

i agree i js wish they saw it

[misty fossil]

they should just disable chat

idk

[sudden thistle]

IMO it’s way better to do discord game anyways

[lost pike]

i like when theres small rules like no space marines and war till 38 or sum

not roleplay or sum malarkey

[sudden thistle]

Those are sensible

Some servers have like a 4 page google doc on rules

[lost pike]

those are nerdy asf

[sudden thistle]

I read it once, forget it, and just don’t do stupid stuff

[lost pike]

i agree if somebody wants MP dont mess it up

[sudden thistle]

Space marines are so ungodly annoying to fight too

[lost pike]

yeah it ruins it in MP

while being the smaller and broker nation to is annoying

[dusky burrow]

Imagine someone posting a successful well-prepared sealion here

I'm waiting

[heavy vigil]

The people active on this server arent developers and have no power over this

[dusky burrow]

Try something like this

BTW I have a request for the developers

Superheavy railway guns should be produceable by train MIOs, and super-heavy howitzers by artillery MIOs

And for the mountaineer template stack as much breakthrough as physically possible on the support company tanks

We've also discussed marines above

[hoary mortar]

neat

[finite plume]

Who do y'all think should own this demilitarized area, purple land or red land

[clear dagger]

green land

[fair horizon]

reds

[tropic lance]

hey subscriptioners, i have some question,
1: do you consider the 3 month deal to be better than the 1 month deal?
2: can you cancel it any time?
3: does it take out of your steam wallet or directly from the card?

[finite plume]

3. Card I believe

[tropic lance]

good enough for me

[finite plume]

2. I believe you can, not sure

As for 1. It's more mathematically viable but that depends on how long you want the subscription for

[tropic lance]

i'm going to get brain shock if i'm stuck with man the guns and the intergrated dlcs only

hope it's worth it

[finite plume]

$9.99 month is ~96 yearly
$14.99 per 3 months is ~60 yearly if my math's right

[tropic lance]

it does show up in the paradox launcher right? i'm disabling trials of allegiance out of spite (personal reasons)

[finite plume]

Once you get the subscription you get current and future DLCs automatically

[tropic lance]

👍 ty

[finite plume]

Np

Tho do note the price may change for "Inflation" or a need for a higher cost due to more DLCs (Cough cough it's just greed)

[tropic lance]

already 23 dollars in my local currency per 3 months

[finite plume]

What currency?

[tropic lance]

nzd...

[finite plume]

New Zealanders exist?

🥀

[tropic lance]

we're far and apart but we do exist

[fair horizon]

No, they're australians in denial

[tropic lance]

we're waiting for the day countries get below 80% stability so the uk can plan coup

[finite plume]

They got the funny laser kiwi flag tho

We need PDX to make that the historical flag in HOI4

It's the most historically accurate

[tropic lance]

most of the nz pop is immigrants anyways

(australian visas got rejected)

[finite plume]

NZ being a Plan B is crazy 🥀

[fair horizon]

i wouldnt want to invade nz, have you seen their tanks?

fearsome things

https://tenor.com/view/new-zealand-tanks-bob-semple-tank-gif-24607518

[tropic lance]

oh my god

it's so different

the dlcs

germany's alt history is actually bigger than like 25 focuses

THE SWISS GET A FOCUS TREE

never seen the minor countries bar so full

[finite plume]

Yeah just check NZ tree

Truly the best tree in HOI4

[tropic lance]

who is freeman freeman thomas

bring back the other guy

lingthgow

[flat trout]

hellos

im a dude, man

[ruby flame]

does expert diff make the AI smarter at all

or just dumpster my stats

[tropic lance]

latter

pretty sure

[ruby flame]

damn

want something between vanilla and sheep mod

[finite plume]

coughing baby vs thermonuclear bomb

[warped flint]

I do the 6 month, its a much better deal

[finite plume]

There's no 6 month tho

[warped flint]

There is

[warped flint]

I got that

[warped flint]

wait what

I swear to god I have gotten it twice

[finite plume]

Maybe they changed it?

[warped flint]

I just checked subscriptions

And its every 6 months

[finite plume]

Pic?

[finite plume]

Huh

Yeah that's $54 Yearly