hoi4-general

[simple citrus]

is social nationalism and national socialism the same ideology

[uneven portal]

"never use light tanks" proceeds to make a division made mostly out of lights

[marsh ravine]

plains tiles

[plucky glen]

hi

[marsh ravine]

r better

[fervent minnow]

Not my division

[marsh ravine]

its btitersteel tbh

[fervent minnow]

Bittersteels

[marsh ravine]

and hillls

[uneven portal]

okok

[brave steeple]

what if

[marsh ravine]

like smallest u ever go

[brave steeple]

my ping

[marsh ravine]

on offense

[fervent minnow]

Just asked if i should use them thats it

[brave steeple]

worked for once

[marsh ravine]

is 32

[marsh ravine]

unless mountain/marsh only

then u do exactly 25

every other scenario is 35 or 36

[fervent minnow]

32 or 36 then

[marsh ravine]

36

its jstu better

[fervent minnow]

Alright

[marsh ravine]

lights have 0 terrain debuff

so u dont care

but seriously like just dont use normal light tanks as battalions they are SO bad

jsut make mediums

at least

[fervent minnow]

i go with meds anyway but problem is when i research the 38 Hull theres no way in hell i can get a div out in 39

[sudden thistle]

As who

Germany

[marsh ravine]

who r u playing

if germany

[fervent minnow]

germany

[marsh ravine]

u just swap ur whole tank line

u deffo get it intime

[sudden thistle]

Skill issue then

[marsh ravine]

like the fack

when do u build mils

[sudden thistle]

Major skill issue

[marsh ravine]

germany has best mils in the game

u can deffo get tanks out

[fervent minnow]

i got only 500 hours dude

thats why im asking it here

[fervent minnow]

like change the divisions template so its med or

[sudden thistle]

We are just giving some constructive criticism

[fervent minnow]

that one gif of morgan freeman going true...

[marsh ravine]

yes

change ur production line

and template

[fervent minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-wolverine-feel-that-thats-true-honda-odyssey-gif-14671196888789203514

this one

[fervent minnow]

alr

also would you suggest swapping over to guns2 the second you research them or you produce both guns1 and 2 until 2 has enough efficiency

what's the better option

[marsh ravine]

yeh we r helping but some peopl jsut like to point out skill issues

[fervent minnow]

i know

[marsh ravine]

alw insta swap to gun2

theres like

2 scenarios

where u stay gun1

[fervent minnow]

why though? you cant produce jackshit

[marsh ravine]

u can

its called efficiency

u r germany

rush ur tools tech

[fervent minnow]

no not as germany like overall

[marsh ravine]

should have tools 3 jan 38

oh oberall

same applies

[fervent minnow]

general statement

[marsh ravine]

the small dip in production

is not big enough

to warrant not doubling ur stats

[fervent minnow]

i see

[brittle cypress]

What are the scenarios

[fervent minnow]

also there is a really annoying thing that i feel like i should point out

when i give a field marshall order consisting of an inf army and tanks, the tanks ALWAYS stack on one tile

i'm going insane

why does this happen

[marsh ravine]

36 war as the defender and u r in gun deficit, u will be getting gun3 like SUPER fast and u have like 2 mils

when i say gun3 early

i mean multiple 2yr ahead of time

type shit

[sudden thistle]

Show

Picture

[fervent minnow]

cant right now not on pc

i'll send it once i am

[marsh ravine]

separate them

literally

[fervent minnow]

i do that now yeah but like

does anyone know why that happens

[marsh ravine]

have tanks under a different field marsha;

[fervent minnow]

i have them seperated now

[marsh ravine]

cos u dont shift click

the frontline

ur tanks r not on garrison order

[brittle cypress]

Does anyone get gun 3 super fast but not gun 2? Aka the second one?

[marsh ravine]

so they will be treated the same as inf

[brittle cypress]

what situation could this possibly be

[marsh ravine]

idk

but like tech steal moment

[fervent minnow]

oh i see

[marsh ravine]

is what i mean

imagine

[fervent minnow]

alr thx

[marsh ravine]

u have good buff to gun2

and a 2yr for gun3

and then tech steal gives 2yr

like u get it super fast

[brittle cypress]

Damn

[marsh ravine]

and if u r super super poor

like aussa level

u just sit on gun0 then swap to gun3

no reason to nuke efficiency so much

[fervent minnow]

in wartime though

wouldnt it absolutely wreck you

to still use gun0

[marsh ravine]

not rly

ive done it before

u just need copious amounts of inf

thats it

like when i say copious i mean to the point where u dont notice how many divs get strength deleted

(i did it as sheeps mod china it aint fun bro)

[fervent minnow]

oof

why would you punish yourself such a fate

[marsh ravine]

cos i have a big ego

and dont think i can lose

esp against an ai

[fervent minnow]

did you win

at least

[marsh ravine]

yes

in 42

[fervent minnow]

nice

[marsh ravine]

i battleplanned them out of asia

held beijing

for 1yr

then in 39

got kinda cooked

went from beijing

to jinan

to nanjing wuhan line

[fervent minnow]

insane downgrade

[marsh ravine]

then in 41 and 42

i turn on the 400 div battleplan

and win

[fervent minnow]

-be china
-hold on for a while
-spam a shit ton of people
-win

[marsh ravine]

(tbf i did have air so i didnt deal with cas, cas would have killed me)

cas would have at least forced me to pull out of nanjing

like that crap was so cooked

[safe wing]

Sabaton fan?

[marsh ravine]

the ai is also rly bad so if u know what u r doing u r so fine

eg green air

or jsut literal hp ratting

by just ls everything constantly

so u dont get pushed

[fervent minnow]

yup

you too presumably?

[safe wing]

Yes since mid 2015

[fervent minnow]

nice

favoite album?

[safe wing]

Art of war because it was the first one I listened too

[fervent minnow]

no way mine too

i feel like art of war has no skips

compared to like idk heroes

[azure palm]

same

[knotty maple]

what is a good division build yall

[sonic sand]

what do you want?

[azure palm]

9 infantry, with support art etc.

[sonic sand]

yeah but the thing is that isn't for everything

[knotty maple]

so 9 infantry dudes and support artillery

[sonic sand]

those are ones that hold a line

[azure palm]

yeah but its quite reliable

[marsh ravine]

yes

[knotty maple]

yes thats what i want

[sonic sand]

basically thats a good infantry division

[marsh ravine]

they also push

[sonic sand]

basically

[knotty maple]

ik how to make a good breakthrough division

[sonic sand]

its a meatshield

[marsh ravine]

u just need to push in numbers

[sonic sand]

alright

[azure palm]

depends on what nation

[knotty maple]

ok thx

[sonic sand]

30,000 will always beat 4

[sonic sand]

if its a minor

do 2 lines of 4

[knotty maple]

minor nation?

[marsh ravine]

not even that extreme lmao

[sonic sand]

yea

[sonic sand]

im just saying

[knotty maple]

im playing mexico so thanks

2 lines of 4 got it

[azure palm]

good luck

[sonic sand]

mexico is basically a major tho...

population wise

[knotty maple]

i have a plan to conquer central america for fun

and the minor nations of the south

[marsh ravine]

oh mexico

[azure palm]

hungary is one too if you play right

[sonic sand]

dude.

[marsh ravine]

do like 18w, 12w, 16w, 36w whatever

[knotty maple]

okbye

[sonic sand]

i main hungary

[marsh ravine]

u can battleplan

everything

[sonic sand]

i know how to make hungary a major.

[azure palm]

wich path?

[sonic sand]

otto nonaligned

[azure palm]

same.

[sonic sand]

which is the most fleshed out

and has

[azure palm]

but i do prefer austria non aligned

[sonic sand]

the joint focus tree

which is brokennnnn

[sonic sand]

ewwwwwww

so easy...

[marsh ravine]

hungary fascist is such a major

😭

ik that much

[sonic sand]

yes

[marsh ravine]

horthy hungary also v strong

idk too much abt auh paths

[sonic sand]

greater hungary is a major

horthy is a terrible leader

[azure palm]

just dont play communist hungary path. And Democratic

[sonic sand]

yes.

[marsh ravine]

i would assume from pure strength from factories and manpower etc that whatever united auh is also mega strong

[marsh ravine]

horthy goated for pp

[sonic sand]

he

gives

less

at the start

[marsh ravine]

than fascist?

rly

[sonic sand]

than otto

yeah really

[marsh ravine]

ahhhh

im used to hist games

[sonic sand]

i think its minus .5%

[marsh ravine]

so i dont see otto

rly ever

ahh

[sonic sand]

its one of the two nonaligned paths

[marsh ravine]

so i cant comment much on ahist

[azure palm]

yeah but you often have to race against austria so they dont get otto

[sonic sand]

actually

[marsh ravine]

but ik the 2 for hist

r both v strong

[sonic sand]

its one of 7 nonaligned monarchist paths

i believe

[marsh ravine]

fascist bigger eco

[azure palm]

Hungary rarely goes habsburg

[marsh ravine]

non aligned easier to do+imo in my opinion is just rly nice to play

[azure palm]

I guess we know what the devs liked more about hungary

[marsh ravine]

i play mp mostly so idont see this much tbh

[sonic sand]

because the nonaligned path splits by either abide by the little ententes stipulation or invite a Hapsburg monarch

then splits again

with invite otto to the throne

[azure palm]

ik

[sonic sand]

or restore the old guard

[tiny iris]

Joakim!!! My eyes have been blessed.

[sonic sand]

and

when you go down the abide by little entente stipulations

you can go every way

[marsh ravine]

nah i think they like commie hungary tbh

[craggy trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UypIGHi7K4A

[sonic sand]

fascist, dem and communist

[marsh ravine]

isnt it all like 1 or 2 tree each?

[sonic sand]

huh?

no

they have

[safe wing]

Is it better to conquer Ethiopia for army and air xp and Victor Emmanuel III’s buff or just pull out as Italy when you go monarchist

[sonic sand]

like

7 paths

2 communist paths

2 facist paths

2 nonaligned

1 democratic path

i think

@marsh ravine

[marsh ravine]

😭

bruhh

why so many?

theres 2 fascist paths

what

[true dune]

Remove 'Modern Shogunate'! Remove 'Marianan' core from Marcus Island!

[sudden thistle]

US
Demo 2
Commie 1
Facism 1/2
non aligned 1/2

Apparently half the American fascist tree is spent being non aligned

[safe wing]

Italy
Fascist 3,
Demo 2
Communist 1
Non aligned 2

[sudden thistle]

China
Non aligned 1

[safe wing]

USSR
Communist 3
Non aligned 2
Fascist 1

[sonic sand]

like this @marsh ravine

3 fascist paths

i think

[marsh ravine]

horthy is non aligned

its 2

i forgor abt fascist king

[marsh ravine]

is nto 1 of the red demo?

[safe wing]

France
Non Aligned 3
Communist 3
Democratic 2
Fascist 2

[sonic sand]

horthy turns into facism.

i believe

[marsh ravine]

no he dont

its alw non aligned

mayb if u get goring

idk

but normal horthy

stays non aligned

[fair horizon]

chat we need to build a wall around the netherlands so it no longer has a coastline

give half to germany and half to belguim and a strip in the center to denmark

[sonic sand]

this is

terrible

[sonic sand]

weird

[marsh ravine]

its weird ik

[sonic sand]

ig he is a regent

tho hes much better commanding my fleet

of

1 sub

stolen from the romanians

[fair horizon]

strong navy 💪

[sonic sand]

best hungarian ship commanded by horthy

*note it was perfectly normal when stolen from the romanians

@marsh ravine

[marsh ravine]

SIGMA

[safe wing]

Czechoslovakia had a better navy

[sonic sand]

mongolia has a navy.

[safe wing]

They do?

[sonic sand]

yeah

[safe wing]

Huh I really learn something new everyday

[sonic sand]

like 7 ships specifically to

stop

china

[vagrant lagoon]

yes

[sonic sand]

in like a shared lake.

[vagrant lagoon]

no wait

[safe wing]

Bolivia has the largest landlocked navy

Its mainly to stop drug cartels

[fair horizon]

carriers should be able to engage from their plane's range and not being directly on top of the enemy fleet

[vagrant lagoon]

there are more monarchist paths for hungary

[sonic sand]

there are way too many monarchist paths

and wayyy too many communist paths

[vagrant lagoon]

2 habsburgs, horthy as regent, horthy as king, horthy jr as king, idk some other kings

[safe wing]

France has 3 lackluster monarchy paths

[vagrant lagoon]

ye

but the bourbon is pretty shit

[safe wing]

All of which could be viable

[fair horizon]

france monarchy path being able to core spain is "lackluster"

[sonic sand]

yes.

[vagrant lagoon]

nah you have to be lucky for ai to go carlist spain

[safe wing]

It is because they should core the southern part of Italy too

[vagrant lagoon]

*and win

[fair horizon]

thats fair

ive seen carlists win once

[icy crescent]

Franco-Spain Monarch path is short.
You form Franco-Spain.
Aaand... there it ends.

[sonic sand]

I think they should make it harder to annex puppets but in return all core states that puppet has become your core

[safe wing]

Because the Bourbons ruled the Kingdom of the two Sicilies

Too

[vagrant lagoon]

idk I mean, I never saw ai carlist spain win the civil war

[sonic sand]

or have decisions to core

[icy crescent]

As France you have to intervene actively to make them win.

[vagrant lagoon]

ik

but still

the chances the carlist will even spawn

[sonic sand]

i helped the carlists win with the hungary path

because

you can do that

[vagrant lagoon]

ye hungary

[sonic sand]

and

if they lose

you can force them to put a

[vagrant lagoon]

otto von habsburg hungary is op

[sonic sand]

carlist

[sonic sand]

its the best focus tree

[fair horizon]

me as australia when i core the east indies and have all the manpower ill ever need

[vagrant lagoon]

ye

[sonic sand]

i play it exclusively

well almost

[icy crescent]

On Historical it shouldn't happen, because the Nationalists can prevent the uprising by holding the North.
Which they reliable do.

[sonic sand]

dude

it always happens

[vagrant lagoon]

no

on historical no

[safe wing]

It can but very rarely

[vagrant lagoon]

ye

[safe wing]

It happened in my last Imperial Germany campaign

[sonic sand]

anyways

[vagrant lagoon]

I once played swiss and germany went communist

[safe wing]

The Republicans won on historical

[icy crescent]

Saying "always" is false.
Not saying it is impossible on Historical.
But it shouldn't happen.

[vagrant lagoon]

yes if you intervene

also if you play ussr the anarchists can technically win

[safe wing]

No because the nationalists got messed up by the carlists

[vagrant lagoon]

due to the right opposition

[icy crescent]

And if you don't have the Spain-DLC.
Then the Republicans tend to win.

[sonic sand]

did you know you can make an alliance with Mexico, Spain, Poland, Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Albania, Palestine and Ukraine through focuses as Hungary otto path

its so broken

[vagrant lagoon]

fr

you basically

puppet austria

czechoslovakia

romania

[sonic sand]

you do

and albania

not romania

[vagrant lagoon]

yugos

[sonic sand]

you just take land from them

and get a wargoal on yugo

but you can release through decision

[vagrant lagoon]

k Im rn deeply into Irani focus tree

democratic iran is pretty chill

[icy crescent]

I kind of like the democratic path.
Allows you to core Afghanistan and Iraq.

[sonic sand]

you can release through decision Croatia

you can also demand territory from germany

which is hilarious

[vagrant lagoon]

also the Pahlavi dynasty

I mean the path with Mohhamed Reza Pahlavi

if you time it you can easily defeat turkey

then attack greece

etc etc

[sonic sand]

with the restore the duchy of teschen focus

and you can ask for USSR lands

basically

the entire focus tree is

[vagrant lagoon]

also Lithuania is pretty good

[sonic sand]

puppet albania, austria and czechoslovakia

[vagrant lagoon]

(you basically core everything between Berlin and Moscow)

i think I dont remember exactly

[sonic sand]

then hurt everyone else

take slovakia from the Czechs

take Transylvania from the romanians

take lands from poland

USSR

and germany

[vagrant lagoon]

yes I know the habsburg path for hungary

[icy crescent]

Since we are talking about Monarch paths:
I remember that Germany can enforce Monarchy in Finland.
Allowing Finland to become Royal Purple.
(Which is usually only possible when keeping the first leader)

[sonic sand]

declare war on yugoslavia and italy

[vagrant lagoon]

yes

[sonic sand]

funny

[vagrant lagoon]

I once tried to achieve kaiserreich reichspakt as monarchist germany

[sonic sand]

i wish it was easier to get Mannerheim as the leader

[icy crescent]

Be at war.
Decision.

[sonic sand]

yeah

but i mean

beforehand

its not like mannerheim didnt exist before the war

he was a member of the tzars personal guard

he went to tibet and was apparently friends with the dalai lama

and helped fight in a bunch of conflicts

[icy crescent]

He got around.
No wonder he starts out with beefed stats.

[sonic sand]

honestly Mannerheim is the main character of the interwar period

[sudden grotto]

Average meatballer in the 1900s

[sonic sand]

what

[sudden thistle]

Meatballer

[sudden grotto]

Meatballer

[sonic sand]

swede

ah

[idle onyx]

Meat riding

[tulip isle]

15 hour playtime and I already learned Navy and Airforce, ez.

[simple citrus]

what the fcuk is going on in asia

[fair horizon]

lore accurate poland

[sonic sand]

@icy crescent he lead the white Finns in the Finnish civil war, He was the regent of Finland, commander in chief of the Finnish army, 6th prime minister of Finland, first Finnish field marshal, fought in the russo-japanese war, eastern front of WW1 where he was a Lieutenant general, he had a large part in tzar Nicolas' coronation as part of the ceremonial guard, headed the Finnish red cross until his death, founded the Mannerheim league for child welfare, chairman of the Finnish defense council, Had the highest honours in Finland The Mannerheim cross named after him, had the fortifications that stopped the soviet union named "The Mannerheim line" after him, his birthday is Finlands "flag day" and the most central road in Helsinki is named "Mannerheim road".

he is the main Character

and ofc he repelled the soviet union

hes also Swedish nobility

[fervent minnow]

holy shit

insane lore

[sonic sand]

genuinely

if you want a crazy story

watch a video on the winter war

for how short it was

that shit went crazyyyyy

[fervent minnow]

will do when i have time

[sonic sand]

even tho like countryballs cringe and whatnot I suggest call me Ezekiel's video

[icy crescent]

Damn.

[fervent minnow]

nah nah ezeikel is GOATED

his countryballs are too

i watched a lot of his videos

[sonic sand]

ironically sponsored by paradox interactive's arms against tyranny

[fervent minnow]

thats just valid sponsorship lmao

i dont see anything wrong

[sonic sand]

its cool too

because

he does some of the animations like hoi4

[sudden grotto]

Free Money dawg, you would do the same

[fervent minnow]

what i do see wrong is not giving our money back from the integrated DLCs (now with man the guns)

[sonic sand]

im not bashing on the creator

[fervent minnow]

why must they do that man

[sonic sand]

the DLC is well fitting

[fervent minnow]

yeah

it is

[sonic sand]

heres the reason that happens

if i were to buy man the guns

[fervent minnow]

money

[sonic sand]

no

if i were to buy man the guns

then a week later i were to buy the new dlc

and realize

hey wait a minute

this gets rid of all the things man the guns gave me

and replaced them with better things

so then why did i buy man the guns?

[fervent minnow]

i didn't really check out what new mechanics change happened so yeah damn

[sonic sand]

thats why its so hard for paradox to make new DLC's

[fervent minnow]

i see

[sonic sand]

because

they need to connect with the other dlcs

while having ways they don't connect

[fervent minnow]

couldve atleast given my money back ffs

[sonic sand]

or alternative ways

so like

La resistance and GDR interact with eachother

but you can get either

[fervent minnow]

gdr?

[sonic sand]

Götterdämmerung

[fervent minnow]

oh

aight yeah

[sonic sand]

like you can steal blueprints

[icy crescent]

If you bought the DLC very recently, you can get the money back.
Unfortunately it is not a new controversy.
Waking the Tiger, Together for Victory and everything else integrated once costed money.
There were no refunds either.

[sonic sand]

yes

[fervent minnow]

yeah exactly

[sonic sand]

but i think

[fervent minnow]

i had all of those dlcs

none were refunded

back to me

[sonic sand]

i think its like buying a beta version

[fervent minnow]

ill brb

[sonic sand]

things are always subject to change

while its a scummy buisness tactic

[icy crescent]

Can you make examples?
Because most interactions between other nations are mostly faction invites or demands anyway.

[sonic sand]

okay

so

[gilded pike]

les go

[sonic sand]

GDR

ggs

anyways as I was saying

[gilded pike]

the whole soviet is 90% of cores

odk

[sonic sand]

GDR has the blueprints and

[gilded pike]

of compliance

[sonic sand]

special facilities

with La resistance you can steal those blueprints

or sabotage them

but

you don't need to have GDR to get access to la resistance

or vice versa

they just interact to be more fleshed out

its the opposite here

Man the guns and the new DLC directly compete with eachother

as man the guns revises navy

and so does the new one

[icy crescent]

It's new to me that you can steal facility projects.
Unless you specifically meant the radar tech stealing.

[sonic sand]

so why should they give the option to pay for an inferior mechanic at the same price

[sonic sand]

its one of the things you can do with spies

its one of the missions

no one uses spies ever tho

[icy crescent]

Otherwise it was simply research.
Not Facility.

[sonic sand]

yes

they don't need eachother to work

but they do compliment eachother if both active

man the guns is going to be worse than whatever they're doing this time

automatically

so why should paradox have consumers buy something worse than whats available

thats a legal battle waiting to happen

@icy crescent does that make sense?

its a measure to protect new consumers

which is rare

it would be like if Nintendo didn't stop selling Wii-U's after the launch of the switch

[icy crescent]

You argued for the opposite you originally wanted to say.
Unless I am reading it the wrong way.

[safe wing]

CA , EA and Activision meanwhile:

[sonic sand]

the switch is the Wii-U but better

[sonic sand]

im just saying while not the perfect solution

paradox has no other choice

[simple citrus]

why pepol wan republik wen they kan hev not a republik

republik boring empire or kignome kool

[sonic sand]

afk for a sec

[safe wing]

CA is just making warhammer slop now instead of historical games

It would be like Paradox making a bare bones copy of hoi4 in a fantasy setting and calling it new

[simple citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/tetoris-kasane-teto-teto-synthv-hiiragi-magnetite-gif-13980202707426180496

tet

[simple citrus]

so basically eu4 anbennar

[safe wing]

But 100x worse

With unkillable hero characters

[fervent minnow]

back

[safe wing]

It would be like sending Zhukov, or Patton by themselves and they just instantly win for example

[simple citrus]

yeah anbennar had castan beastbane he's hot

polska gurom wolyn pamietam

[fervent minnow]

dude for how long have you been continuing this greece game

[safe wing]

Every total war game since Attila has been bad IMO

[fervent minnow]

any time you send a message its the same greek game

for like 2 days

[meager valley]

That there one of them Utapau Nautiloids or whatever

[simple citrus]

err well

i don't liek uh um

short campanies

[fervent minnow]

you've played one run for TWO DAYS

my campagins end at like 41 or 42

i get too bored

[meager valley]

Do you finish all wars or naw

[safe wing]

Attila is my favorite total war btw

[fervent minnow]

depends on the situation

if its like "yeah they bouda cap" yeah

i finish

[safe wing]

I usually stop when Attila is dead or I reunite Rome as a Rome faction

[fervent minnow]

if not i just pause it

never to return to it (mostly)

[simple citrus]

i once played as rattanakosin in age of history 2 for 2 whole ass weeks
i lived until like 2008

[fervent minnow]

aoh2 makes sense because its literally so easy

but hoi4 tires the shit out of me

after a point

[sudden thistle]

Bruh

[safe wing]

Try Attila

[simple citrus]

(the starting date is like 1830)

[safe wing]

Best survival strategy game campaign as the Western Roman Empire

[simple citrus]

anyone here plays genshin impact

[fervent minnow]

don't think youd find that in a hoi4 server catermurp

[safe wing]

What about Attila total war?

[fervent minnow]

dude i didnt play any total war series

none

[meager valley]

Once played Ethiopia until 1984 to core all of Africa. But I had taken the world by like 1958

[fervent minnow]

should i?

[simple citrus]

all kinda people are here so uhhh

idk

[meager valley]

So 30 years was just x5 speed farming pp

[safe wing]

Don’t start with Attila though because its brutal

But yes

[sudden thistle]

Was it worth it

[flat gazelle]

what a faction

[fervent minnow]

okay what is it with you and total war attila what has this game done to you

[meager valley]

No, Ethiopia is ass

[simple citrus]

literally 1984- gets obliterated with the divine power of the light

[sudden thistle]

Lmao

[safe wing]

Its a difficult game

[flat gazelle]

china is at war with sinkiang and they cant annex them because norway needs to cap

[simple citrus]

hey abyssinia is cool

it had an emperor

!!!@

[meager valley]

Idk why paradox doesn’t just make it cheaper for commie Ethiopia to core

[simple citrus]

oh.

[meager valley]

Like even Anarchist Spain is much faster at coring

[simple citrus]

commie.

[fervent minnow]

i'm gonna label you as a monarchist at this point dude

[simple citrus]

derg.

[simple citrus]

well um

[fervent minnow]

why do u like monarchies so much any way

[simple citrus]

i kinda think i am

[meager valley]

Anarchist Ethiopia is allegedly anarchist yet doesn’t have any of the anarchist traits

[simple citrus]

republics are boring as shit and are two-faced

mofos tryna give people freedom and shi

[safe wing]

Western Roman Empire was a dumpster fire on a good day tbh

[simple citrus]

(and then appoint nazis to the government)

[fervent minnow]

and a family holding all power isn't?

[meager valley]

US reference

[simple citrus]

hey they atleast don't claim to be a beacon of democracy and liberty

while republics do claim that

[safe wing]

In the WREs case, Ambitious Germanic generalissimos who were made regents but were defacto emperors

[fervent minnow]

so basically living under one big elite family but saying "eh atleast they're honest"?

[meager valley]

What form of polity was the UK in the movie Children of Men? Genuinely couldn’t tell

[simple citrus]

and most of the times end up being much more authoritarian

[safe wing]

Some were good for the empire (Stilicho, Aeitus, and a hot take Ricimer)

[simple citrus]

take a look at turkmenistan or baathist syria

yay woo republics

hereditary republics????????????????....

[safe wing]

How about Saudia Arabia?

[simple citrus]

where the ruler appointed their successor...

[fervent minnow]

the people chose the people though

[safe wing]

Which is a monarchy

[simple citrus]

fukc saudi arabia

this is an exception

[fervent minnow]

like they vote for who they want

[safe wing]

They are a monarchy though

[sonic sand]

woah there you're makin me look bad

[simple citrus]

i'd honestly hate them both as a monarchy and a republic

[fervent minnow]

which is why a federation is lowkey the most "democratic" way of leading a nation

think about it

[simple citrus]

malaysia

[fervent minnow]

that's corrupt though

its up to the people to prevent corruption

[simple citrus]

or dprk

i don't remember people choosing to have an authoritarian juche (or wtv) quazi-monarchy

[fervent minnow]

what was that again

north korea?

yeah so the PEOPLE DIDN'T CHOOSE THAT

[simple citrus]

democratic people's republic of korea

[fervent minnow]

just because it says democratic in the name doesn't make it

[simple citrus]

hey but it's a republiic

[fervent minnow]

not really

in name yeah but theyre more so of a monarchy

hey you like monarchies right?

[simple citrus]

there's a term for that

yea uh

[fervent minnow]

why not look at this shining example

[simple citrus]

but not theocracies

[golden bramble]

Bro there are other federations

Like Switzerland

Or Austria

[fervent minnow]

yeah

and they arent corrupt

[simple citrus]

yo north where's bursa

[fervent minnow]

wdym

[simple citrus]

on the east or the west of turkey

[fervent minnow]

west

[simple citrus]

kk

[fervent minnow]

why what happened

[simple citrus]

uh

[fervent minnow]

oh

yeah

why would it give you the popup if it was on the east lmao

[ornate marlin]

anyone got a 7800x3d, how well does the game run

also same q for anyone running hoi on a 7600x / 9600x

[simple citrus]

prussia

[eternal palm]

This path is fun

Even did it without elephants

Also this formable is entirely superficial

You get cores on Iraq and Iran. And afghanistan again

[sudden thistle]

Looks like u did fine with those cores anyway

[fervent minnow]

the only good path of GoE:

[eternal palm]

Loyalist India is also good

India is the only playable country

and the path is shit anyhow

if you take iraq before doing the focus, it doesnt bypass

They literally forgot to add bypass checks for all of the focuses

its so dumb

[fervent minnow]

thats goe for you

[fringe shell]

is it good

for 1939

[simple citrus]

:DDDDD

[finite plume]

Bro's decrypting the entire internet 🥀

[sonic sand]

are we not going to talk about how poland has the entire USSR

OR

how austria hungary exists

as austria

and hungary

@simple citrus

what have you done?

[molten sparrow]

whats the best way to form an alliance with monarchist uk as monarchist germany? and is restoring the brest litovsk borders a bad idea then?

[fervent minnow]

what am i looking at

[simple citrus]

i just hope you'll ignore german borders

[safe wing]

Of course it is

[simple citrus]

and this

[safe wing]

Its the Timurid Empire

[fervent minnow]

why is there a megapoland

[simple citrus]

i dunno ussr sucked ass they lost to poland

[fervent minnow]

this is rt56 right

yeah checks out

[safe wing]

Timurid empire was an offshoot of the Mongol empire

And the Mughal Empire an offshoot of the Timurids

[dusky burrow]

support companies wrong, dangerously low org

[fervent minnow]

yes actually this is what i advised you yesterday

but now upon further discussion with different members of this server

you could ramp it up to 36 width

[simple citrus]

is ts good

[fervent minnow]

no

what is this abomination

[simple citrus]

aw

[fervent minnow]

is this supposed to be a tank or an inf

[fringe shell]

like tanks and infantry in one division

[simple citrus]

inf

[safe wing]

Historically accurate given the borders of the Timurid empire

[fervent minnow]

then no this is useless

don't use this

[simple citrus]

should i switch tanks for mechanized inf

[sonic sand]

mostly normal.

[fervent minnow]

i mean

look i could explain this in dms but

its not a good idea to mix the both

[simple citrus]

hey they atleast get to keep memel!!! i mean that's cool isn't it
poles spared them

[fervent minnow]

decide what your div is supposed to be

then act upon that knowledge

do you want an inf? mot? mech? tank?

[simple citrus]

inf with a lot of firepower

i just love making a single template and putting the divisions on a conveyor

[dusky burrow]

No, wtf

[fervent minnow]

then you go with artillery

[dusky burrow]

keep at least 32 combat width

[fervent minnow]

that exists for a reason

what doctrine are you on

superior firepower? mass assault?

it changes what width it should be depending on it

[dusky burrow]

No it doesn't

It changes the width of the units themselves

[flat gazelle]

wait im confused what focus/decision allows the us to seize all of british possesions in the americas

[safe wing]

Uh line artillery is bad now

Sorry

[simple citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-stare-gif-10183112911298969236

[sudden thistle]

Limited intervention

[dusky burrow]

Line artillery is bad even in superior firepower

[fervent minnow]

nuhuh

[simple citrus]

this game is uh

[fervent minnow]

nuhuh

[sudden thistle]

That path

[simple citrus]

um

shi

[sudden thistle]

I think

[simple citrus]

hard

[fervent minnow]

you can'T brainwash me

no

no

superior firepower my beloved

[simple citrus]

line artillery is bad

support artillery is good

[dusky burrow]

Since you can stack soft attack in support companies

[fervent minnow]

i dont care what anyone says enough production for arty will always make me go down sf

[simple citrus]

why is there a hole in my chest

o.o

[fervent minnow]

its just so reliable

[fervent minnow]

then what doctrine do you go down? mass asssult?

[tardy marten]

China with 1% about to get cap, 15 millions casualties, 70% war score???

They about to get clapped literally

[simple citrus]

гр

polish republic with 200 divisions

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-stare-gif-10183112911298969236

[dusky burrow]

If pure infantry than mass assault right

But for most offensive uses grand battleplan is better

[fervent minnow]

i like how flexable superior firepower is

[dusky burrow]

?

[fervent minnow]

in any sitution as any nation you can go down sf

and be pretty much good for the rest of the run

situation*

[dusky burrow]

Not particularly any more than any other doctrine

[azure palm]

why does poland controll the far east?

[sinful cloud]

first time playing non-historical, managed to cap almost everyone in europe by mid 1940 as italy lmao

got lucky af

[dusky burrow]

With the mountaineers we've described yesterday, or something else?

[simple citrus]

??? i don't see anything weird about that

it's just poland controling fat east

far

[flat gazelle]

idk why i made albania a puppet that was stupid

this is also a problem ngl

[sinful cloud]

nah, plain 9/0 infantry and heavy fighters/medium CAS

[flat gazelle]

god i forgot how disgusting this color is

[green moss]

brb let me fix some flaws

[dusky burrow]

Okay

[green moss]

I built a little empire

[dusky burrow]

oh no the south is winning

[green moss]

it's alright I'll stabilise the situation

I'll end the campaign once natural borders are achieved

so I have to win Franco-Prussian war and assert Napoleonic hegemony

[sudden thistle]

Is this a mod

Like for the 1700s

[green moss]

not just a mod, a peak

End of a New Beginning

(Victorian Era)

[sudden thistle]

Ohhh

[green moss]

you can even play as Taiping Heavenly Kingdom or lead Indian Revolution

but I sticked to French Empire (if everything went perfect for it)

[dusky burrow]

True

[green moss]

or unify Germany as Bismarck

Prussia is enjoyable but it takes 20 years to unify Germany

maybe less, but still a lot

[loud shuttle]

play that but its too laggy for me

[green moss]

I hate this mechanic

[loud shuttle]

why does the illness of the king decrease divsion attack 🥀

[green moss]

well

it's Bonapartism (cooler word for Monarchy)

so most decisions are taken from Napoleon III himself

including military campaigns

[loud shuttle]

wow

[dusky burrow]

Daily autocracy support -0.05

Oof

[safe wing]

French empire enjoyer

[covert hinge]

how

[green moss]

acemaker is not Mussolini after all

[covert hinge]

lol

[gilded pike]

yay

[green moss]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[gilded pike]

i kinda wanted to do the bear artillery achievment

[flat gazelle]

KILL ME

[gilded pike]

but i forgot smth...

[flat gazelle]

i have to cap china to get the roman empire

[gilded pike]

i need to stayat monarchy

[flat gazelle]

wait what

china isnt a major somehow

OHHH IK HOW

li zongren took over china

so they stopped being a major

[urban ivy]

tbh

qing china

peak fun nation

[safe wing]

I built a navy as them in rt56 once

500 ships

[green moss]

liberating your own country from ashes is always fun

[wintry oriole]

just wait when soviet union has civial war next delacre war russia and soviet goverment you easy conquer them next do slavic union, you can take all soviet Union in 1939-1938

[gilded pike]

i meant that i needed to stay neutral

i went fascism

yk

its easy

[feral lark]

finally broke down and figured out how to make a damn autohotkey script so i can delete stuff without mashing click and enter all the time...

[gilded pike]

its no problem like

[wintry oriole]

okey

[sinful cloud]

lmao

i've just set it up today finally for the wasd movement, but might do more stuff like this

[feral lark]

i also have the WASD stuff setup. just using the AHK script from that one steam workshop mod

[sinful cloud]

it's a great tool, i used it a lot when i played SA:MP

[green moss]

i just smash my mouse until the process is done

[feral lark]

i'm pretty sure that there's a way to go in the defines and change what keys are bound to what, but idk if the interface keybindings are in those pesky "disables achievements" files

[sinful cloud]

dont even say that, makes me hate PDX even more, they've been very lazy with QoL features in the game

like, they introduced focus tree sections with gotademmrung, why can't an intern go through the focus trees in one day and update them for the rest of the countries

there's so many small things like that which cost them nothing but mean a lot

[feral lark]

ehh, that's not really a hoi4 thing, that's more of "this entire engine has some really really weird design decisions"

[honest night]

Sure hope nothing bad happens with Prussia 🦉

[feral lark]

opportunity cost. everything of these things they go back to fix is just one more different thing that they can't fix or add

i don't disagree in general, but it's more complicated than "just do it, it won't take hardly any time"

[green moss]

people usually remember the result, rather than the process

that's why Napoleon III is severely underrated

[sinful cloud]

dont defend them please, i agree but some of these things really are trivial. and why even introduce a focus tree selections if you're not gonna make it available on other countries

[simple citrus]

he got fairly elected as a president

[green moss]

especially for a reformist military-civilian leader

[green moss]

the people's empire

[simple citrus]

without any kinda coups

and restored himself as an emperor

[green moss]

by people's approval once again

[simple citrus]

yeah that seems awesome

[green moss]

Paris went from medieval slop to city of lights

🤷‍♂️

[simple citrus]

and then we have bokassa who uh
um

[honest night]

Seems like good internal leader but starting the war with Prussia got him cooked

[gilded pike]

guys, who knows, why do soviets attack non-stop?

[green moss]

1/3 of national budget for coronation

[simple citrus]

well uh he was an emperor too

[green moss]

he got ragebaited

[gleaming iron]

ALL HAIL TO BRITISH RAJ

[green moss]

Bismarck is one of the best leaders of 19th century

[simple citrus]

hey have some respect he's the black napoleon after all!!!

[green moss]

he knows shit

[simple citrus]

honestly even gaddafi would fit more for that title

[sudden thistle]

Bruh

Ur divs have nothing

[simple citrus]

although being neither black nor a monarchist

[gleaming iron]

cause i control them

by hand

every second

every moment

i am the general

[honest night]

They have high equipment stockpile and massive frontline

[simple citrus]

that's called micromanagement

[sudden thistle]

I didn’t say anything close to that??

[gilded pike]

but they are attacking also when it isnt so

[honest night]

Divisions equipped with hopes and dreams

[green moss]

he's a socialist

after all

[simple citrus]

although he really was looking like a monarch of libya a some point

all those outfits

yeah

i just know somewhere deep down he liked allat

[gleaming iron]

true

[gleaming iron]

true

[sinful cloud]

are you from india

[sudden thistle]

U need manpower

[gleaming iron]

yes

[simple citrus]

LMFAO

[sudden thistle]

Consolidate the divisions

[simple citrus]

INDIA DOESN'T HAVE MANPOWER

?HC VJHNDFGUBKJG,KCHI YBGFHB

LALLHLSLHLSLASHAL

[gleaming iron]

look at the divisions

[simple citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[honest night]

I mean he could be total mob

[simple citrus]

ftbjjhrfh jfgnbvfvn

[honest night]

There’s some focuses you can do as Raj for manpower

[simple citrus]

india with 0 manpower

[green moss]

tbh I don't mind if leader spends some of the national budget for luxuries if he does his shit right

[simple citrus]

that shit is frying tf outta me icant

[sinful cloud]

it's not that funny tbh but ok

[gleaming iron]

i am not in dlcs

[gleaming iron]

-70% agrarian society in the corner:

[feral lark]

i'm not defending them -- i absolutely thing the company as a whole has problems with their dev process and QA in general (and also that it probably isn't the individual dev teams' faults from what i gather). But as somebody who is on the "other side" of software development (in other words, that's what i do for my career) I want people to realize that these things are way more complicated than it seems from the outside.

[feral lark]

got this nice screenshot last night

[sinful cloud]

agreed

i've just been spoiled by Factorio's developers

[verbal jolt]

is there a way to resist pressing `

[sudden thistle]

Funny path

[sinful cloud]

no self control huh?

[verbal jolt]

i cant resist it

[sinful cloud]

do a few achievement runs on ironman or play ironman for a few playthroughs, you'll stop using it

[verbal jolt]

ironman autosave each week, my pc doesnt like this

[sinful cloud]

i have 1300 hrs, used it only a handful of times

[sudden thistle]

Make it not 1 week

[verbal jolt]

you cant

[sinful cloud]

yeah but it'll force you to forget about console

[sudden thistle]

U should be able to

[sinful cloud]

nah you can't

[verbal jolt]

you cant, autosave of 1 week is forced

[sudden thistle]

I swear it was a thing

[verbal jolt]

to prevent save loading

[sudden thistle]

My bad

[sinful cloud]

there is a setting in settings, but it doesn't work for ironman, hardcoded at 1 week

[sudden thistle]

That’s what I was thinking of

[sinful cloud]

trust me, most of my hours were spent on goddamn autosaves on ironman

i wish there was a way