hoi4-general

[finite plume]

Your hypocrisy is astounding

[safe wing]

And Im not doing that again

[rustic furnace]

Because hoi4 is a war game

[gilded cobalt]

So you remain at war with them even after kicking the Japanese out of the continent

[safe wing]

Im painfully aware

[rustic furnace]

There is no way to change my mind

Thats literally what the game is

[gritty gyro]

Every game I played was focused basically on politics and the war aspect is undercooked

[safe wing]

I tried Manchuko in rt56

[finite plume]

"Grr I hate people that don't back down"
Proceeds to do the very same:

[safe wing]

Its honestly not bad

[gritty gyro]

I fail to see how its a war game first imo, I geniunely do

[finite plume]

Not even gonna reply to you anymore, you're a D-Tier ragebaiter

[safe wing]

You can ask China and the USSR for help

[dense axle]

btw britain had 350 ships, the US had about 350 aswell. now britain's got 250 ships and the US have 200 (i have 210, but never had much more except for like 20 subs who died)

[safe wing]

And you can plan the uprising day one akin to the soviet opposition paths

[gilded cobalt]

The Manchukuo focus tree not getting reworked is kinda disappointing, but it's also quite hard to actually make interesting content for it.
For starters, Manchukuo was really only a country on paper. Puyi was basically a hostage, and Japanese "deputy ministers" ran everything

[gritty gyro]

Same here

[safe wing]

Which is another good detail

[safe wing]

I thought it was the devs confirmed it on reddit i thought

[gilded cobalt]

Oh maybe

[gritty gyro]

I hope the devs help make it more war based cause rn, its raw

[gilded cobalt]

I really wish you could use more than 5 dockyards on capital ships again

It's such a huge nerf to navy

[untold sphinx]

if u think hoi4 doesnt have enough war mechanics good luck finding something better

[safe wing]

Im 90% sure it is

[fair horizon]

stellaris

[rustic furnace]

Dont interact with him

[safe wing]

90% doesn’t mean guaranteed

[gilded cobalt]

IRL the US Navy, Royal Navy, and IJN were way bigger than in game even counting only destroyers and above

[gritty gyro]

Theres literally no war mechanics, like you cant form specific irl units or draft war plans

[safe wing]

Totally

[gritty gyro]

Or negotiate logistics with allies

[gilded cobalt]

It also makes building capital ships economically unviable

[untold sphinx]

define war mechanic

[gritty gyro]

Theres no coordinated allied taskforce, so no, theres not much war mechanics in this game

[safe wing]

Escort carriers in the next dlc though

[rustic furnace]

Negotiate as in politics

[gilded cobalt]

Especially if you don't start with a lot of dockyards - so any country not called the USA, UK, or Japanese Empire

[dense axle]

yeah, my super-heavy battleships take 5 years to builld (i have like 20/30% dockyard output bonus

[rustic furnace]

Checkmate I win

[safe wing]

Yamato took 4 years to build

Irl

[fair horizon]

doesnt britian start with more than 15 battleships?

[safe wing]

Actually no more than 4 years

[gilded cobalt]

I think they'll be important to build, with the new naval dominance system, convoy escorts are necessary to prevent dominance from decaying

So they'll be good for defending convoys and stopping naval strikes

While fleet carriers go in your strike forces like usual

[safe wing]

Most carriers in the aforementioned 3 navies were escort carriers

[gilded cobalt]

Yep

[fair horizon]

also from a country suffering resource shortages from embargos

[dense axle]

well something like that maybe it takes me 4 years too, whatever

[gritty gyro]

How do you think logistical supply lines work

[fair horizon]

the iowas only took 2 years for 4 of them

[gritty gyro]

I have no way of linking my units to my allied logistics

[gilded cobalt]

Yamato was the biggest battleship ever made and basically a vanity project

[safe wing]

Iowas were regular battleships

[gritty gyro]

So they become out of supply which makes no sense

[dense axle]

there goes 1/4 of the british navy (whats left)

[gritty gyro]

So no its not a well fleshed war game

[gilded cobalt]

It was also subject to resource shortages like @fair horizon said

[safe wing]

It was nothing more than a cruise ship gas guzzler tbh

[rustic furnace]

Im just going to let you know, this is my last time responding to you because its pointless. You might be the biggest idiot I have seen come through general chat.

[gritty gyro]

Same here

[gilded cobalt]

Just to put into perspective how crazy the US naval industry was IRL - they launched a fleet carrier a month

[safe wing]

2nd biggest because Covini

[gritty gyro]

Its been nice talking to you brick wall

[gilded cobalt]

America is HEAVILY nerfed compared to IRL because otherwise the Axis would never have a chance

[rustic furnace]

I said that i've seen

[fallen vigil]

these mrbeast videos keep getting crazier 😭

[gilded cobalt]

They already lose most of the time

[rustic furnace]

I dont ever remember seeing covini

[safe wing]

Covini has been complaining about this game for 8 years and is anarcho communist

[gilded cobalt]

I honestly think the US needs a buff though

[rustic furnace]

If I did I dont remember

[safe wing]

Which is two of the dumbest things ever

[gilded cobalt]

They should be an absolute juggernaut for an Axis player to deal with

[finite plume]

That's like 50% of jobs but without the $500k 🥀

[rustic furnace]

I'd compete

If mr beast didnt suck ass

[safe wing]

Fk mr beast

[finite plume]

/:I

[safe wing]

Seriously he is trash

[gilded cobalt]

I'm kind of afraid the US will be even worse with the new DLC since they have their old focus tree and Japan will get neat buffs

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-mlp-fim-mlpfim-gif-5079005542710523589

[gritty gyro]

But we gotta gameify it so the players can do an axis speedrun #10000000000

Like I said, this game isnt very good at the war aspect

[safe wing]

Play europa barbarorum or black ice and tell me if its fun

Because I did both

[gilded cobalt]

I just said give the US a better focus tree

[rustic furnace]

He wont

[gilded cobalt]

It's not balanced because they get way less buffs

[gritty gyro]

Exactly

[rustic furnace]

He is a player with 74 hours in hoi4

[finite plume]

@rustic furnace What do you think would be the hardest country to WC in the modern day

[gritty gyro]

Too little domestic policies

[rustic furnace]

Thats a good question

[gritty gyro]

Taiwan

[gilded cobalt]

The New Deal should also take some effort, given it faced a lot of political interference from a largely conservative Congress

[gritty gyro]

Without question

[rustic furnace]

I'd have to go with like palau or something

[safe wing]

Nepal

[rustic furnace]

Really no army, no navy, no nothing

[gritty gyro]

Taiwan has all the issues of Afghanistan but WORSE

[safe wing]

Why there are weaker than them

[finite plume]

I'm thinkin' like a Pacific island

[gritty gyro]

Even then, they are on an island

[gilded cobalt]

For a bit of context, until the 1970s, US politics didn't have a strict left right divide. Democrats and Republicans both had liberal and conservative factions

[rustic furnace]

Yeah like palau

[gritty gyro]

That is half mountainous

[safe wing]

Japan and the UK?

[gilded cobalt]

And while the Democrats controlled Congress, not all Democrats liked FDR

[finite plume]

If the Communist portrait didn't exist most micro states would be unplayable

[safe wing]

UK had the biggest empire and they were an island

[gilded cobalt]

so you should have to do more than press a button to pass New deal laws

[gritty gyro]

Filled to the brim with troops, weapons and a population that looks and speak like the invading force

[finite plume]

He's ragebaiting, don't

[gritty gyro]

Its literally afghanistan but worse

[gilded cobalt]

And decide between helping your civilian population recover or preparing for the coming war

[finite plume]

Taiwan's got a good economy and military lol

[rustic furnace]

Dont interact with him

[fair horizon]

doesnt matter, the yamato would have been built faster had the japanese not been suffering resource shortages

[safe wing]

Hes a communist so I have a right to treat him like garbage

[rustic furnace]

He has spent the last hour ragebaiting

Dont interact

[shy bloom]

What....

[fair horizon]

also remember they built 3 hulls for them

[gritty gyro]

Hold up did he say easiest to conquer or hardest to conquer

[finite plume]

You can't argue with idiots cause they always think they're right

[rustic furnace]

Slap a huge do not feed label over him

[gilded cobalt]

Lmao

[gritty gyro]

He said hardest

[rustic furnace]

Epic

[gritty gyro]

Yeah taiwan

No 2. Is actual Afghanistan itself

[finite plume]

Bro's really solidifying the longest-living modern day country point lmao

[gritty gyro]

Oh wait

I saw wrongly

You mean conquering other countries

Then either US or UK

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-bird-gif-16835999897918525830

He's trying so hard 😭

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-baiter-ragebaiter-semij1-hello-rage-baiter-gif-7038212996302592299

[shell gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/spare-change-change-beg-begging-gif-12592756

[gritty gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-baiter-ragebaiter-semij1-hello-rage-baiter-gif-7038212996302592299

[shell gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/its-outrageously-expensive-expensive-pissed-off-upset-disappointed-gif-15440460

[finite plume]

I really hope they add more VP's

Manchuria is just depressing

[rustic furnace]

yeah

[safe wing]

Same

[shell gyro]

What are VP’s again….

[safe wing]

My parents have been to Manchuria in 1997

[north spoke]

is signing the tripartide pact as germany a good idea or should I leave japan to their own devices

[safe wing]

Doesnt matter

[gilded cobalt]

Should also have more factories, Manchuria was Japan's main source of resources and had a lot of heavy industry

[safe wing]

Your gonna fight most of the nations japan fights anyway

[gilded cobalt]

Manchukuo was to Japan what the Raj was to the UK

[shell gyro]

You want to get dragged down by them?

[north spoke]

no

[shell gyro]

Then don’t

[north spoke]

but i have a plan to knock out britain before the USA gets involved

[shell gyro]

Don’t ally Japan cuz if that

[safe wing]

USA will fight you regardless

[shell gyro]

They might trigger it sooner or later

[safe wing]

Its a guarantee system though

[north spoke]

if the US declares on japan im forced to join the war

[shell gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/sudo-crap-crap-bathroom-toilet-bad-day-gif-10436023412329219291

[north spoke]

but if i dont have the guarantee i dont have to give japan anything

[safe wing]

Japan attacks the usa first though

[shell gyro]

Screw the japs, do not engage with the japs.

[safe wing]

Usa never attacks japan

[north spoke]

true

and plus japan will fight me anyways after i knock out the USSR

[finite plume]

Japan declares so no guarantee call

Tho the US would join the allies so

[safe wing]

Given how isolationist this country was in 1936-1941

[sudden grotto]

Imagine calling nuremberg "nämberch"

[shell gyro]

For Transmur?

[sudden grotto]

Funny bavarian name

[north spoke]

I think so

i never made it that far but i saw it happen in youtube videos

i got close to knocking out the ussr tho

[shell gyro]

Rip. Just make it a puppet

[safe wing]

Gonna play Imperial Germany and work on a new build

[shell gyro]

Ngl play as Austry-Hungary and make Danube..

[north spoke]

room temperature take: imperial germany is fun

it basically gives me the perfect set up to civ greed

[shell gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-german-army-gif-16432407829129079406

[safe wing]

Same

[safe wing]

Not on historical

[shell gyro]

Wdym

WWI…

[safe wing]

Sudatenland

[north spoke]

historical germany is fun for the lightning warfare and imperial germany is fun for the civ greeding

[safe wing]

Oh

[shell gyro]

..

[safe wing]

Good take mine to be exact

[shell gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/czechia-czech-republic-czech-flag-flag-of-czechia-gif-27190971

[safe wing]

Hitler demands it from you

Even as Austria Hungary

[quiet vessel]

when will mtg be free

[shell gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-27532823

[north spoke]

you can fight the reich but its not really easy

[shell gyro]

I wish HOI4 had a feee lite version

Lite seems free for most (if not all) games

[north spoke]

thats called non-dlc hoi4

[shell gyro]

Is it pirated?

[north spoke]

I don't really pirate games

most of the super expensive games one needs to pirate arent worth playing anyways

[shell gyro]

Ik I just meant if they pirate them.

[north spoke]

and the good games are worth paying the money

[shell gyro]

@quiet vessel stop reacting me bruh🥲

[shell gyro]

You wouldn’t believe I found an Iranian game that was 3,000,000 dollars in funds

[north spoke]

iranian currency or USD?

or euro?

[shell gyro]

USD turned to Iranian currency

The government made the craziest game

Crapiest *

[north spoke]

diabolical

[shell gyro]

crap*

It is so bad

That the graphics are 120ph

Or worse

I even have the video of a man who played it

https://tenor.com/view/winner-flag-running-proud-iran-gif-12678796

[empty wren]

Should I get By Blood Alone, Against All Tyranny, or Gotterdamurng?

[rustic furnace]

Arms against tyranny

[fair horizon]

either of the first 2

[safe wing]

Last 2

[north spoke]

gotterdamerung is good but its not a great standalone dlc

[safe wing]

or all 3

[north spoke]

it kind of relies on other DLCs to work good

[fair horizon]

gotter is mid ngl

[coral prawn]

the grave yard of empires

[safe wing]

Imperial germany is peak though

[fair horizon]

basically a nothing burger unless you really want to play austria of belgium

[north spoke]

gotterdammerung is kind of a dlc for a dlc. you really want the dlc that lets you design your own stuff.

[empty wren]

All I know is that GoE recieved almost as much hate as EU4's Leviathan did.

[coral prawn]

its a bit bland but some of it can be intersting if you take time to read some of the focus one of them gives cavs like 120% buff

[fair horizon]

oh boy i wonder how they get to the rest of the world!

oh horses suck in mountains too?

oh afghanistan is just mountains?

miss me with that crap

[coral prawn]

buffs help mitgate alot of it

not all but some

[fair horizon]

id rather play the galapagos nation

[north spoke]

are reichskommisariats worth it or not really?

[safe wing]

Depends

[coral prawn]

wish france had more achivments there super fun to play

[north spoke]

i just know that they dont really affect autarky

since autarky also lets you have puppet nations with the resources

[coral prawn]

also is there a new dlc coming soon?

[barren rock]

for map painting

very

for practical use

useless

get ready for 4 soviet unions to spawn in

[safe wing]

Yes Japan, China(s) and Philippines

[coral prawn]

usa not getting shi outta that?

[north spoke]

wouldnt they be somewhat useful though since you dont have to deal with resistance, the puppets do?

[barren rock]

bro f US

where my manchu update

come on man

[north spoke]

the US focus tree is pretty bland

[barren rock]

they suck at it

[rustic furnace]

Yeah

[barren rock]

they have no cores

no equipment

[coral prawn]

pacific war dlc?

[barren rock]

no manpower

[rustic furnace]

But also not as bland as asia right now

[north spoke]

so do it post war?

[barren rock]

to get a good looking map

yes

thats the ONLY time

you should use it

[coral prawn]

greece needs some more love for byzantium XD

[north spoke]

because the kommisariats seem bad for wartime

but I can understand why the reichskomimsariats dont get cores

[barren rock]

most likely gonna be a north america dlc

[north spoke]

its basically just assigning a governor to a region

[barren rock]

if they do get one

[safe wing]

Do the german puppet kingdoms get cores

[barren rock]

so along with a canada and mexico tree

[coral prawn]

zero since to update japan without america

[north spoke]

yes

because they are just regular puppets

and when you integrate them you get cores

[barren rock]

this dlc is focused more on the northeast asian frontier

the china war

not pacific

next one is the southeast asian front

[empty wren]

I recently did another attempt as Nationalist China and felt my enjoyment sap away as the Sino-Japanese war pressed on.

[coral prawn]

if i dont see some funny khan im be upset

[rustic furnace]

Moscow is ours boys

[barren rock]

dude they list what nations will get content dawg

nat china

commie china

and japan

r e a d

[north spoke]

no

[barren rock]

im sad that there is no manchu content tho

missed oportunity right there

[north spoke]

im just gonna get mad when they dont do what i want and instead do what they said they would

[safe wing]

Im pretty sure there is

[fair horizon]

swiss or ah?

[barren rock]

doesnt say anything bout it on the steam page

[safe wing]

Devs may have confirmed it on reddit

[rustic furnace]

Im austria

[fair horizon]

cringe

[north spoke]

whats ah?

[coarse sun]

I thought u were white russia

[rustic furnace]

Damn austria hater 💔

[empty wren]

When does Germany rename itself?

[fair horizon]

austria hungary

[safe wing]

But Manchu needs content because I’m totally not biased to monarchist paths

[north spoke]

ahh ic

[barren rock]

its austrian formable

[fair horizon]

i lose every time

[rustic furnace]

💔

[dense axle]

ez

[barren rock]

its a formable with extra steps

dont even

[rustic furnace]

I never said it wasnt a formable lmao

[north spoke]

for reichsleiter himmler do i want to expand SS duties or expand gestapo?

[rustic furnace]

When did I ever say that

[barren rock]

i tought you were tryna prove smth with the screenshot

mb

[rustic furnace]

There was nothing to prove or any argument

[barren rock]

larp

SS

[north spoke]

I dont want to larp I want to win

[rustic furnace]

Its a formable with too many steps

200 political power to core each state

It was so annoying

[barren rock]

then dont do himmler

[safe wing]

200?

[north spoke]

im doing it in 1938 because i forgot to do it earlier

[fair horizon]

reminds me of commie argentina

[north spoke]

so what are the best members?

[safe wing]

Rome costs 25

[rustic furnace]

I think

[safe wing]

Per state

[rustic furnace]

Might have to check rq

Its either 200 or 100 per state

[safe wing]

And you have Mussolini who gives a shit ton of pp

[north spoke]

musollini gives a shit ton of pp🔥 🔥 🔥

[barren rock]

todt
boorman

and i forgor the last one

todt for those juicy ass civ bonuses

boorman for pp

[rustic furnace]

If you stay with mussolini, you get like 4 pp per day

[north spoke]

4 pp per day🔥 🔥

[safe wing]

25 is basically pocket change

[north spoke]

Im making a pp joke

[barren rock]

bro this chat making my braincells reduce from 1 to .1

[rustic furnace]

Its 100 per state

Over 2000 pp to core everything

[safe wing]

<@&846894118219022336> hate speech

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[barren rock]

this is a missed HRE oportunity right here

but nooooooooo

we cant have shit in modern hoi4

[north spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-time-to-stop-gif-9416155803997449261

[tired crypt]

CRAZY

[fierce mist]

im autistic i think

[astral forum]

Aight bro Jews are real people ya know can't just throw that shit around

[rustic furnace]

He left instantly

[barren rock]

did you fly your plane into the void

guh??

[safe wing]

Coward I still share a server with him

[fierce mist]

Bro dosent understand a shit

[hasty bear]

is this focus supposed to be like this if Algeria is my puppet?

[rustic furnace]

Really thats crazy

[barren rock]

what am i lookin at dawg

[safe wing]

Hell divers 2 server

[rustic furnace]

Someone kick him out of there

[last night]

is there any german good at this game ?

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-angry-speaking-head-tuco-squidward-gif-13808874276609302886

[safe wing]

[north spoke]

?

I do not understand the question

are you talking about good germany player or good german hoi4 player

[barren rock]

like a IRL german who is good at this game?

[rustic furnace]

[last night]

jes

[mystic gale]

Ukraine

[north spoke]

cough cough nottommykay cough

[barren rock]

thats a weird ass romania

[rustic furnace]

How so

[barren rock]

"Romanian legionary state"

its usualy called just legionary romania

unless they changed it

[rustic furnace]

I have a mod that changes country names

[barren rock]

o h

[rustic furnace]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2587197320&searchtext=satisfying

[fierce mist]

742 classic cockpit flight sim

xplane

felis 742

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2MQKJFrXZQ

it isnt roblox sim its an real flight sim

[tired crypt]

ay why are conversion prices different 😭

each country has a different price

[barren rock]

people make flight sims on roblox?

the hell?

[north spoke]

Yo is it worth allying hungary or should I just invade them?

Because i want to steal their money but it kills my chances of an alliance

[brisk anchor]

regular hungary?

[north spoke]

yes

historical hungary

im just gonna invade romania n shit anyways

for autarky

[brisk anchor]

well if it destroys your alliance and you cant fight them off then ally them

[safe wing]

downloaded this in a heartbeat

[north spoke]

im playing germany rn

I think i can fight them off

[brisk anchor]

historical?

[barren rock]

always kill

[north spoke]

yes

[barren rock]

kill

puppet

steal

thats the german way

[brisk anchor]

idk they give a good amount of divisions that you dont have to train up

[safe wing]

Gonna play the Tsar for the Tsar bomb achivement

[brisk anchor]

but other than that theyre useless

[barren rock]

if you know what you doing you dont need AI

[rustic furnace]

Its one of my fav mods

[barren rock]

at all

[split bane]

Annex your puppet than do the focus

[last night]

Same

[barren rock]

the humble 10w is all you need

[north spoke]

I just have the regular infanterie divisions and some 36w heavy tanks

[barren rock]

that works to

make that inf 16w

for optimal combat withd

10w is still superior tho

[north spoke]

do i keep the support companies or no

its just engineers and artillery that it came with

[safe wing]

Tsar bomb should be easy as Tsarist Russia

[shy bloom]

I have a plan

[finite plume]

Weaker currencies, for example, $10 in the US is not much while $10 in say, Brazil can be a full day of work, so they change pricing to compensate

[tired crypt]

fair

i was thinkling that

[north spoke]

in north korea, they only make some 2000$ a year in USD

[tired crypt]

more so based off of the minimum wage

[north spoke]

north koreans cant even afford the cheapest apple product

[finite plume]

That's like $170 a month 🥀

[north spoke]

170 a month isnt that much

thats like, below minimum wage in my state

if you're working full time

the minimum wage in my state is 15$ an hour

if you work full time you would make that in a couple days

[tired crypt]

in my home country its 282 for one USD

[north spoke]

what country?

[tired crypt]

pakistan

[north spoke]

damn

[tired crypt]

so 13775.34 PKR = 48.77 USD

yeah it would not be fair tbh

[north spoke]

its hard for me to picture other people living outside of the us not having the same currency/money that i do

first world problem, but a problem nonetheless

[finite plume]

A lot of countries use USD 🥀

[north spoke]

mostly due to the governments currency being worth next to nothing

[tired crypt]

although I am an overseas citizen and I live in a first world country

but im plannig to move back

[north spoke]

so they just use a somewhat stable currency

although that "stability" reason isnt so much a good reason anymore

[tired crypt]

might be a hot take

[finite plume]

US Currency's actually pretty stable

[tired crypt]

but certain 3rd world countries

[finite plume]

Inflation isn't really that bad rn

[tired crypt]

are happier than 1st world nations

[finite plume]

It's just that companies don't reduce prices post-inflation

Which makes them appear higher

[north spoke]

thats lowk kinda true

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wait-youre-serious-let-me-laugh-frowning-robot-gif-14586647

[finite plume]

What can I say, capitalism 🤷‍♂️

[north spoke]

because most 1st world nations are ubercapitalized

[junior oyster]

i offically have hoi4 now

[rustic furnace]

W

[junior oyster]

but

its kinda hard

[north spoke]

like, the US is technically a 1st world nation but we have terrible healthcare and insurance policies

[tired crypt]

the UK is a first world nation. ranked as the second most depressed country in the whole world

[safe wing]

Thats the UK though and Im not in the Uk

[north spoke]

is it worth allying italy as germany

because they have a good navy but they also have a tendency to make insane fumbles

[silk furnace]

who is not weird here

[north spoke]

The american healthcare system

[rustic furnace]

No one

[north spoke]

the german rightwing movements

france being french

[rustic furnace]

Its hoi4 everyone here is weird

[silk furnace]

agreed

[safe wing]

Thats been a problem since the 800s

[silk furnace]

couldnt have said it better

[finite plume]

Because Healthcare in the US is mainly for-profit

[north spoke]

thats why it sucks

its capitalized

[junior oyster]

e

[north spoke]

healthcare is a need, so healthcare companies make you pay your soul

the devil looks under his bed for the former united healthcare CEO before sleeping

[finite plume]

Issue is we have a greedy society

If we had Universal Healthcare

Suddenly you'd have people abusing it for free drugs or medication

"Oh I got a Sprain, I need some pills"

And guess what

[rustic furnace]

Yeah

[finite plume]

Drugs cost money to make

[safe wing]

Affordable healthcare is the only answer IMO

[rustic furnace]

...

[finite plume]

Who pays it?

The taxpayers

And me personally

I ain't paying for someone else's addiction

[safe wing]

Agreed

[north spoke]

and suddenly you would have people who desperately need healthcare get it

and not have to sell their souls

[rustic furnace]

I'd be ok with health care just being affordable, I dont see why it needs to be 100% free. Especially for a nation with almost 400 million people

[finite plume]

Idealism is just that

An Idea

[north spoke]

thats also a slippery slope

[safe wing]

Exactly

[finite plume]

Sorry but the real world is not sunshine

[north spoke]

youre hyperfocusing on the bad instead of seeing all the good it would do

and plus americans also pay for a 900 billion dollar defense budget

[safe wing]

Your doing the exact opposite

[north spoke]

we can just reallocate those funds

[finite plume]

We have to defend 2 major maritime oceans and an entire international faction

[rustic furnace]

True True

[finite plume]

To what exactly

Healthcare's privatized, funding it just funds corporations

Social Welfare's abused

Education's a sham

[safe wing]

The correct answer is neither like mine

[rustic furnace]

American military budget gets cut 50% and all of a sudden europe (Not including poland and finland) is alot less defended

[finite plume]

Higher treasury = more inflation

It has to go SOMEWHERE

[north spoke]

against who?

[safe wing]

China and Russia duh

[north spoke]

russia is losing to ukraine of all people

[finite plume]

We protect the Philippines, Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan

[rustic furnace]

Mostly just china

[safe wing]

Doesn’t mean they won’t try again

[north spoke]

we have the first, second, and third largest air forces in the world

[finite plume]

Would you rather China did?

Or Russia?

[safe wing]

Just like Mithridaties III of Pontus did with Rome

[north spoke]

and we have a higher defense budget than im pretty sure the next 6 nations in line combined

we can reallocate just 5 billion of those dollars to try and help healthcare

[finite plume]

Again

Useless

[north spoke]

or the public transit systems

[finite plume]

Funds private companies

Companies who already have for-profit policies

[rustic furnace]

I'd agree to this

[finite plume]

You wanna see how public transport is treated?

Check NYC

[safe wing]

Check my home state of Vermont too

[north spoke]

thats because public transport is shit

[finite plume]

And don't give the "Big city" excuse

Shanghai and Tokyo do it well

[safe wing]

Burlington is a left wing shithole

[rustic furnace]

Please someone fix the light rail 🙏 🙏 🙏

[finite plume]

Let's move this to Off Topic

[north spoke]

alr

[finite plume]

Otherwise the mods will get upset

[safe wing]

Yes

[empty wren]

How about New Zealand’s independent democratic path, amiright?

[night wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-staring-cat-cat-mr-fresh-fresh-gif-4714710619997780774

[coral bane]

i saved it ❤️‍🩹

some border gore around moscow but

thats alright

[rustic furnace]

I dont like this

Like atleast take over the rest of china before india

[devout trench]

they were dealing with future problems first

[rustic furnace]

True true

I just realized its 1945

I still have usa, japan, china, ussr, portugal brazil and chile to cap before I get peace deal 💔

oh and australia

[gaunt thorn]

how do they have so many divisions bro what

[dense axle]

year?

[untold sphinx]

the UK buff is extremely annoying

[dense axle]

uk got buffed?

[untold sphinx]

literally took me days to understand how to sea lion properly

either you invade them with extremely buff mass mob divisions or you do extremely good marines and tanks

[untold sphinx]

yeah

[lament scaffold]

its so annoying cuz they AI will just start attacking mindlessly so you can like never attack and they evenutally push you out

[gaunt thorn]

1941

[untold sphinx]

your units are completly out of strength

[gaunt thorn]

i left it late bcs

wasnt gonna bother

and just do barb

[untold sphinx]

it's useless if you don't have marines

[gaunt thorn]

things are improving

[untold sphinx]

D-day will crush you

[untold sphinx]

better be quick us will join

[gaunt thorn]

yeah

i am trying to rush this

[untold sphinx]

they're stacking divs like crazy

[untold sphinx]

you need to push along the coasts as much as you can

and widen the front to get the advantage

they're out of strength aswell so it should be fine

[gaunt thorn]

NOOO

[junior oyster]

bulgarian route going strong..

[gaunt thorn]

IM TOO LATE

[untold sphinx]

that's unfortunate

[junior oyster]

1937 starting gng

im watching the spanish theather

[north spoke]

for some reason the game isnt registering my encirclements

how do if ix?

[junior oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-mussolini-ww2-paradox-gif-18068288

[gaunt thorn]

97% at capitulation when us joined

[junior oyster]

ok guys ill try the soviet path rn

[sharp laurel]

how do I turn off ironman mode?

[polar vault]

Bought hoi4 yesterday, I've so far accidentally white peaced Ethiopia in my first try, my second attempt with germany I lost to poland and I'm now in a stalemate with poland

[junior oyster]

i bought hoi4 today

bumpy ride with bulgaria]

[rose prawn]

are u bulgarian

irl

[junior oyster]

yes

[rose prawn]

I am turkish

but from eastern thrace

[junior oyster]

cool

[rose prawn]

we are neighbours

[fair horizon]

bro let your troops breathe

[rose prawn]

question are there still

[junior oyster]

dw im still in like

1937

[rose prawn]

yk

turkish shops etc

[junior oyster]

wdym are there still

turkish shops in bulgaria?

[empty wren]

What path should I go as Australia?

[junior oyster]

uhh

idk the australian pathsd

[bright sinew]

ay all

[junior oyster]

yo

[bright sinew]

was going to play a regular fascist germany game since i havent played it much on the new dlc, but i decided on a whim to just... go hang hitler lol

so uh

what's the strongest alt path for germany rn

[junior oyster]

uhhh

idk

[bright sinew]

its only 13th of july 1936, i've got an assload of manpower, damn. ive never had a civil war go that well.

did they nerf the german civil war?

[junior oyster]

im currently negotiating with the socialists

OH

THERE WE GO

CIVIL WAR

YEAH BABY

(i bought hoi4 today)

and i am a COMMIE

and uh

i took socialist path

[bright sinew]

i didn't even need to train any new divisions at all for the civil war, i just took the 24 divisions it spawned in and the 3 tank divisions+9 infant divisions i kept, (ALSO the tac bombers and cas blowing up their airbases and rails lol)
and then just encircled their entire army in nuremberg(LOL) after cutting germany in half,
and i literally just drove into berlin

i remember it being waaaay harder

well not harder but at least not easy lol

[junior oyster]

THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF BULGARIA

[bright sinew]

the ai feels a lot smarter for some reason though weirdly(even tho it was ez to win the war) - i saw the ai actually pull divisions back to a port when encircled and pull them out insitead of letting them sit there, i swear to god it happened

[bright sinew]

based

pics?

show that map

(and border gore ;-;)

[junior oyster]

here

we gotta murder em

[warped flint]

bro

WHY I AM I GETTING THAT

I AM DOING HISTORICAL

MAN EVERY TIME I USE COOL MODS SOMETHING GOES WRONG

[serene token]

Go for the Kaiser I guess.

That's what I'm doing.

[junior oyster]

guys this is the first time i have war

ohh

we gotta combat em

[zinc light]

-Historical
-does the very ahistorical civil war

[junior oyster]

very historical civil war

[warped flint]

i didn't do the civil war

thats why i am confused

[zinc light]

Then why you have mackensen

Is He Not Leader?

[junior oyster]

(tsarsdom of bulgaria vs peoples republic of bulgaria in 1937)

so realistic

[warped flint]

I don't

[zinc light]

That's a game breaking bug then

[warped flint]

i luckily had a save from a few months, hopimg i am good now

[warped flint]

I think its one of my mods

[feral lark]

....well, that was unexpected

[zinc light]

Ah, that makes sense

[warped flint]

Yeah i just disabled one and went back to another save, i am good now

[junior oyster]

civil war

[undone vale]

i think i just lost 22 marines

someone quick

help 😭

[junior oyster]

rip

stay strong

gl

[undone vale]

atleast i own the pacific including hawai so they wont be coming for me anytime soon but still

[feral lark]

i mean, yeah. i know. more the "apparently been biding his moustache for nearly 10 years" thing

[junior oyster]

currently fighting a civil war with the tsarsdom of bulgaria

wish me luck gng

[spare laurel]

United Kingdom of Naval Invasions

[safe wing]

Monarchy

Communism if botched can have you fight a second civil war

and in general is the weakest of the 3

[undone vale]

democracy

you get a gigantic alliance with like everyone in europe

[safe wing]

Monarchy can do the same btw

[undone vale]

rlly?

[safe wing]

So its really a tie

[safe wing]

Yes

[undone vale]

ig

dang

[junior oyster]

hey guys

if i take over sofia

will bulgaria capitulate

[maiden inlet]

If you immediately take it over, well, not exactly

[worn coral]

guys

[maiden inlet]

You still have other troops to fight

And the capital changes

[worn coral]

why do i have 0% mission efficiency on air superiority?

[junior oyster]

if i defeat every troop does it surrender?

[maiden inlet]

Still have other cities

Show me your map rn

The whole thing is you just need to take the entire country for it to capitulate, or less cities

[junior oyster]

what should i do exactly

[maiden inlet]

Just charge into the enemy

draw an offensive line

Press X and draw it over the enemy country

@junior oyster

[gaunt thorn]

wdym

[junior oyster]

yes but where first

do i select all and then draw a wide offensive line

[maiden inlet]

Basically

I guess

[junior oyster]

alr

ITS TIME

[dense axle]

insane progress considering im fighting the entire world

[maiden inlet]

Your a first time player

Right?

[junior oyster]

yup

my mission is to unite yugoslavia and bulgaria and get happy communist ending

[maiden inlet]

Uhh

[junior oyster]

and then explode germany

[maiden inlet]

Well that sounds easy enough

[maiden inlet]

Nvmz

Germany is terrifying, atleast for me

[junior oyster]

(its impossible tho)

[maiden inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/erika-erika-itsumi-itsumi-erika-gup-girls-und-panzer-gif-6681453342169285275

Damn right its impossible.

Germany is practically invincible if your new to the game

[junior oyster]

this is what im tryna achieve rn

but this is my first war

[silent root]

my situation is crazy

[junior oyster]

ever

[junior oyster]

WHAT THE

HOW DO YOU MANAGE THIS STUFF

[maiden inlet]

Mm yeah, i think thats the smell of my pc burning

[silent root]

easy 1.5k hours of hoi4

[maiden inlet]

30 million dead

[silent root]

25 million

[dense axle]

240+ divs in siberia

[maiden inlet]

Well, technically, 31 million

[junior oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[maiden inlet]

How’s your supplies

[junior oyster]

what am i looking at

[maiden inlet]

Are they in hell?

[silent root]

thank the nukes

[maiden inlet]

You massacred them bro

Im not thanking that

💔

[silent root]

bro they saved me

[maiden inlet]

Well

True

[silent root]

like I can try to do a encirclement

[junior oyster]

tfs an encirclement

[silent root]

there is a 0 bubble and I diorg them LOL

[maiden inlet]

That encirclement ALONE

[maiden inlet]

An encirclement is just

Encircling the enemy

[junior oyster]

like

[maiden inlet]

To delete them.

[junior oyster]

going from behind

and then attacking the troop from behind?

[maiden inlet]

Its literally just encircling them

[silent root]

Russia had 6m mp now they got 2

[maiden inlet]

Multiple troops - go around enemy - Encircle them

[silent root]

PRAISE THE SUN

[junior oyster]

EXCECUTE THE PLAN!

ATTAKA

[robust spruce]

Anyone know any good mods

I can use

[junior oyster]

MAY THE TSAR DIE

[maiden inlet]

What mods you got?

[silent root]

+some godly tanks

[robust spruce]

the popular usual ones

But I don’t like any of them anymore

kaiserreich, new order

I don’t like them no more

[maiden inlet]

Genuinely

All my mods are just

TNO - Girls und Panzer - and icon mods

[neat kayak]

achv or chill run? + snus

[robust spruce]

Dang

I need some good mods

[junior oyster]

yes

YES

[neat kayak]

kaissereich and redux

[maiden inlet]

Im not the type of person you ask for mods

[junior oyster]

WE GOT THEM ON ALL SIDES

[maiden inlet]

All im telling you is girls und panzer

[neat kayak]

snus for the first one

cuba coconut

[icy crescent]

[neat kayak]

here it goes

[junior oyster]

battle looks fine rn

[robust spruce]

What mod is this

[silent root]

NUKES NUKES NUKES

[maiden inlet]

Whats your speed?

[icy crescent]

Sigma of Iron Portrait Mod.
Iron Mode compatible.

[junior oyster]

DEATH

DEATH

[maiden inlet]

just watch the enemy get destroyed

[robust spruce]

what

bro ragebait

[neat kayak]

how did you get into this?

[icy crescent]

What's the Ragebait?

[lethal ether]

did u try black ice

[robust spruce]

THATS NOT A MOD

[robust spruce]

What’s black ice

[junior oyster]

i just spammed socialist focuses

and boom

[neat kayak]

Dude

[maiden inlet]

Its ice thats black, duh

[neat kayak]

read the focus

[robust spruce]

Ngl I wanna try a 1440s mod but there isn’t anyone

[neat kayak]

before rushing

[junior oyster]

i do

[lethal ether]

oh youre gonna LOVE it

[junior oyster]

i love socialism

[robust spruce]

I am?

[junior oyster]

and communism

[robust spruce]

what is it

[lethal ether]

search it up

[icy crescent]

It is.

[junior oyster]

and uhh

[robust spruce]

Bud prob plays ussr everyday and doesn’t let the allies invade france

[neat kayak]

Death to reds

[dense axle]

surprisingly better than the soviets

[junior oyster]

cant even manage an army

💔

[dense axle]

i build supply hubs every time i stall so my advance is pretty solid

[robust spruce]

I had this game since 2023 but I wanna start playing it again

[junior oyster]

i just bought hoi4 today

[lethal ether]

play. black. ice.

[robust spruce]

Tell me what it is and my life is yours

[neat kayak]

play austria

[icy crescent]

And in case you were actually asking for more context:
I went the Legitimate Heir Monarch path with France.
And created the faction.

[lethal ether]

total overhaul mod

[junior oyster]

no

austria stinky

[neat kayak]

hell nah

don't talk about my half like that

[lethal ether]

i dont think austria is a good play for someone who bought hoi4 today

[neat kayak]

Austria is easy

[silent root]

you are gonna have sooo much fun

hehehehha

[robust spruce]

wouldn’t Germany be worse?

[junior oyster]

the addiction starts

also

[robust spruce]

Am I wrong for starting in 1939 guys

[lethal ether]

germany actually teaches you combat

[junior oyster]

my friends described hoi4 as a IMPOSSIBLE game

[lethal ether]

some countries are just economy simulators if ure a beginner

[neat kayak]

Hoi4 is easy

[junior oyster]

but its easy

[robust spruce]

Ye but if ur a starter u would lose to France and England badly

[neat kayak]

is easier than getting a gf

[junior oyster]

😔

[lethal ether]

watch a guide and do it over and over again

[silent root]

I have no idea where to try a encirclement

[robust spruce]

I use a tool pack mod to spawn more units cuz I want more

[lethal ether]

losing in combat is better than not playing combat at all

[neat kayak]

everywhere

[robust spruce]

I’m embarrassing cuz my laptop cannot run milineum dawn

[junior oyster]

my eyes bleed from this

[silent root]

just wait a few years fellow greek

[neat kayak]

rush the dutch coast

[junior oyster]

what abyssmal horror is this

[neat kayak]

north

[robust spruce]

Surprisingly I’ve never done a German leap

Larp

[silent root]

you will be like this in no time

[robust spruce]

So is black ice harder then veteran

[junior oyster]

oh no..

[lethal ether]

yes

[robust spruce]

Oh then I can’t touch it

[junior oyster]

prussia of the balkans

😎

[lethal ether]

try it

[silent root]

genius

[robust spruce]

I play on regular and a little bit of hard

[neat kayak]

In under a year

[robust spruce]

How? I will lose if it’s harder then veteran

[lethal ether]

just try it

[robust spruce]

Fine

[dense axle]

we got the exact same playtime lol

[robust spruce]

What’s that one 1440s mod

[dense axle]

but i have 100 less achivements

[junior oyster]

theres mods?

shock

[silent root]

there is a modern day mod The fire rises

epik mod

[junior oyster]

😨

[robust spruce]

There’s the new order which is a German dominated Europe

What if Germany won ww2 ahh

But Hitler dies and it starts a Nazi civil war

[safe wing]

then theres Kaiserredux which is really wacky but really fun

you can play as Bulgaria in that and have a lot of fun

[junior oyster]

isnt that the uhh

VERIFY YOUR CLOCK

[robust spruce]

The most unrealistic part is that the ottoman stays

[junior oyster]

VERIFY YOUR CLOCK

THE GREAT TRIAL APPROACHES

[junior oyster]

kaiserredux

what do you do there

[safe wing]

nah thats Sternberg becoming the leader of the reunified Mongol Empire

[safe wing]

whatever you want as what nation

[robust spruce]

Sure buddy

[craggy trail]

[robust spruce]

yall heard about the extended timeline mod

I wish it still got updated

[icy crescent]

Somehow no civil war.

[safe wing]

same

[junior oyster]

NO

WHAT IS THIS

THIS IS WORSER THAN THE STACKED ARMIES

WHAT

[robust spruce]

But the creator wanted to do some lame 1789-1836 mod

which he is currently doing

[safe wing]

why EU4 covers that period better

[sudden grotto]

How.

[robust spruce]

I’m too broke to afford EU4

[sudden grotto]

It was free for a Moment on Epic games

[robust spruce]

Ye

Ik

[craggy trail]

You should know, TNO has a sub mod for The Loud House

[junior oyster]

wha

WHY

IS

[robust spruce]

But idk what I was doing

[junior oyster]

IS

WHYY

[robust spruce]

So hoi4 is the only paradox mod I got

Game*

[robust spruce]

ok what the-

that’s disturbing

[worn coral]

guys

[robust spruce]

yo

[safe wing]

this is better than the l*udhouse mod

[worn coral]

why do i have 0% mission efficiency on air superiority

[junior oyster]

true

[craggy trail]

Mission efficiency gradually builds up after a few days

[robust spruce]

how do u make ur map look like that

I like it

[paper echo]

ok bro what is this mod

[robust spruce]

WHAT

[paper echo]

its not even cropped good 💀

[robust spruce]

What they do to my man Stalin

he’s bald ☹️

[junior oyster]

my little blimp

[junior oyster]

NOO

[craggy trail]

You can play fnf in hoi4 mods

[paper echo]

what more will hoi4 modders make bro

atp hire them to make dlcs

[junior oyster]

wh

[robust spruce]

im interested

[paper echo]

imagine a hoi4 mod where you play hoi4 inside of hoi4

[fierce stream]

genius

[junior oyster]

with computer