hoi4-general

[fallen vigil]

thrust exceeds weight

im austria unfortunately 😭

[icy crescent]

If you manage it:
Consider making Collaboration Missions with spies.
When you fully annex the country, you get a good start compliance.
And it reduces their surrender limit too.

[golden berry]

if u have an MIO throw it on

range is ideal if not js do whatever else

[quaint kettle]

Chat this new server logo is tripping me up

[dusky burrow]

IRL friend is considering buying HOI4, there's a 70% off sale on Steam. is it worth getting?

[feral lark]

yes

especially if you don't like your friend

[icy crescent]

Weird color.
And I was confused what server this was.
It was the HOI Discord.

[dusky burrow]

Starter pack also has Man the Guns, if they buy it now (September 25-26, 2025) would that get replaced with the new DLC

[quaint kettle]

No

I don’t think so

[feral lark]

they made MTG free, i believe

[tepid crown]

Man the guns is being integrated into base game with the free update when dlc drops

[dusky burrow]

I see

[feral lark]

they also made it free on steam. again, because it's being integrated into base-game

[dusky burrow]

It's free right now?

[feral lark]

yep

[dusky burrow]

I see

[feral lark]

it's getting review bombed because they made it free. but it's a good DLC imo

[dusky burrow]

Yeah MTG is very good

I mean it is hard to live without one of the designer DLCs

Much easier to live without GoE for example

[feral lark]

that was basically their logic for why to integrate it, yeah

[pure rampart]

anyone know how much the individual dlc in the expansion pass will cost? is only whatever the Japan one is called+the Indonesia/Australia/Siam one cheaper than the pass?

very tempted to just get the pack and be set for a year

[ancient marsh]

invading uk as a minor bottom 5 experiences oat 😮‍💨 ✌️

[shut geyser]

wht the colour

[shut geyser]

what the

[ancient marsh]

literally cant do anything 💔

[open quartz]

please tell me you pushed the two tiles behind london and got a juicy encirclement

[ancient marsh]

as far as im concerned this achievement is just not possibly worth the amount of restarts and rng as opposed to turning off hist and gambling that way

[limpid topaz]

maybe send another naval invasion at hull

[ancient marsh]

cant even supply anyone i just dont have enough of a navy

[gilded cobalt]

check your modlist, you probably have conflicting map mods

[limpid topaz]

oh

dang

[brittle cypress]

Go left bro

Look how thin their line is

[limpid topaz]

get portsmouth at least encircled

[ancient marsh]

do you see how i only have 4 sf left and they have literally 0 org

[limpid topaz]

hit from south

they still have org those 7

[ancient marsh]

my only option is just to port meme on dover

but usa will join allies in 3 months~

[limpid topaz]

is that your entire army?

[drowsy citrus]

Who here’s excited to purchase the 50$ dlc 🤩

[ancient marsh]

yes lol

[limpid topaz]

oh god

what about air force

[ancient marsh]

dont have enough equipment to make more

[ancient marsh]

whats that

[limpid topaz]

that makes a lot more sense then

[limpid topaz]

its 1941, u should have at least some form of an air force

[ancient marsh]

i cant im carlist spain

[limpid topaz]

they can build planes no?

[ancient marsh]

either invest in like, getting 2 plane units

or barely any special forces

[limpid topaz]

i prefer CAS

[atomic grove]

is this portugal

also

[ancient marsh]

i start with no plane tech either*

[atomic grove]

what template r u using to attack

[ancient marsh]

iberia

[limpid topaz]

for minor nations, CAS planes which can also fight other planes

[ancient marsh]

carlist spain -> iberia

32w spf

[limpid topaz]

that way less lines of production

[atomic grove]

portugal accepted?

[dusky burrow]

Severe convoy raiding?

[ancient marsh]

i forced them to

[dusky burrow]

That's like classic issue #1 with these naval invasions

[ancient marsh]

nothing im doing is the problem

its just

[atomic grove]

aait what

[ancient marsh]

ye i cant get any equipment

[limpid topaz]

maybe also push on the east

[atomic grove]

ill check spanish focus tree later

[limpid topaz]

wtf is that

[dusky burrow]

Check if you're being convoy raided

[ancient marsh]

i am

[atomic grove]

idk if the focus gives a war goal or asks portugal

[shut geyser]

https://youtu.be/v0us16uoQ80?t=367 ...

[ancient marsh]

i even stole portugals navy but i just cant protect it lol

[limpid topaz]

push north east

[rustic python]

trying to build a fleet as germany in BICE 😄

[limpid topaz]

u over the river in some area

[gilded cobalt]

The devs should check their modlist (it's probably a bug dw about it)

[ancient marsh]

its not just push push push

[atomic grove]

rush into birmingham

[ancient marsh]

i dont have equipment

my units will just explode if i push too much

[atomic grove]

and if u can, wales

[ancient marsh]

no org

[dusky burrow]

Yeah then try to put your navy on convoy defense

[limpid topaz]

allies?

[atomic grove]

put a field hospital

[limpid topaz]

any allies?

[dusky burrow]

Maybe you can get some supply that way

[ancient marsh]

german ai is super helpful as always

[limpid topaz]

expiditionary forces

request some

[dusky burrow]

Also you can literally take Portsmouth right now

[ancient marsh]

i already have no supply

[shut geyser]

that colour only a mother could love

[limpid topaz]

Just push the weak areas, buy time

[ancient marsh]

im just port memeing on dover rn

[dusky burrow]

Well you will get supply once convoys can access there

[gilded cobalt]

omg that's raycist smh

[ancient marsh]

ill get my entire navy sunk

[gilded cobalt]

all colors are beautiful

[ancient marsh]

probably in one battle

[gilded cobalt]

even super neon blue

[limpid topaz]

expidtionary forces from germany

[ancient marsh]

whatever tbh i can just steal britain's after this

[limpid topaz]

do that at least

[dusky burrow]

Also check air

Is it super duper red

[limpid topaz]

he doesnt have any

[ancient marsh]

i have no air so it doesnt matter

[dusky burrow]

Oh

[limpid topaz]

anti air at least

come on

[ancient marsh]

barely any cas tho from them

[ancient marsh]

ofc

[limpid topaz]

request expiditionary forces from germany

[atomic grove]

is it currently a stalemate?

[atomic grove]

no

[limpid topaz]

US joins in 3 months

[ancient marsh]

its may

so

[atomic grove]

thats still a good amount of time

[limpid topaz]

thats his entire army commited

[atomic grove]

ik

[limpid topaz]

tho he does need to start pushing

[atomic grove]

idk why he doesnt have medium tanks by 1941 as battalions

[limpid topaz]

like immediatly

[ancient marsh]

im

im carlist spain

[atomic grove]

yes ik

and as any spaij

[ancient marsh]

i have literally 18~ civs until 1940

[atomic grove]

i usually get to mass produce mediums by like 1940

or 1941

just 2 battalions is fine

[limpid topaz]

u need to start pushing tho, thats that, with the current situation, u just need to push in those weak areas

[ancient marsh]

waste of resources when i can just make special forces

[limpid topaz]

wait how long did it take for u to win civil war

[ancient marsh]

and make shitty flametanks out of interwar or 38 meds

[ancient marsh]

november 37

[limpid topaz]

ok

[ancient marsh]

still takes till 39 to fully reintegrate your country

as any spain

[limpid topaz]

yea

[atomic grove]

special forces alone work best when u get a lot of special forces buffs

[pearl jackal]

68 dollars!? and no compensation to people who owned man the guns?

[ornate jewel]

So is the china update Out Now ?

[pearl jackal]

no

u can preorder it

[ornate jewel]

Damn ok tnx

[dusky burrow]

I'm pretty sure you get the new DLC for free if you have MTG

[pearl jackal]

u sure?

if i do then damn no more complains

[dusky burrow]

idk tbh

[pearl jackal]

did they do the same with previous updates

that integrated TfV, DoD, etc

[tepid crown]

No

Mtg is free and will be integrated. The new dlc is not free

[pearl jackal]

not what they meant

[dusky burrow]

I mean if you had MTG before they made it free

Then you may be compensated with the new DLC as a replacement

[ornate jewel]

Lets hope

[pearl jackal]

yeah

[tepid crown]

I…..don’t think that’s how it works. I had the three previous dlc before GDR and didn’t get that for free, neither did anyone I know

[pearl jackal]

a man can dream

[pearl jackal]

at least refund us tbh

[lone sail]

Me in the new dlc

[north spoke]

real

[pearl jackal]

"war crimes" hits hard

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-treasure-island-dr-livesey-livesey-megaboss-gif-26407339

[lone sail]

America in the middle, Britain in the front, USSR in the back

[left tusk]

is it normal for spain to not revolt by 1937

they just

havent revolted yet

😭

and its annoying me

[im in historical focuses]

[rustic furnace]

Love these guys

[ancient marsh]

why is their manpower so low

they're receiving supply and i have more than enough manpower and they're high priority and i have max priority on reinforcements

[rustic furnace]

Which one is donald ducks father

[north spoke]

can someone explain how to have a good air force in hoi4 but word it like youre talking to a caveman?

[sharp sierra]

just get the good design

[north spoke]

whats the good design?

also not cavemanny enough

[night lintel]

are you being convoy raided

[ancient marsh]

ehh

[sharp sierra]

he prob just gotta wait for it to fill back up

[ancient marsh]

yes but im also escorting

i just got no time

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-23256631

[north spoke]

is reliability real or is it just something hoi4 says to gaslight me?

[tepid crown]

Gaslight

[split bane]

Its real when you have no supply

[north spoke]

so just dont have bad supply

i see...

[sharp sierra]

uts cool to have but i dont sacrifice the opportunity to have better soft attacka dnr breakthrthrough

[dusky burrow]

I mean if you do fight in marshes/mountains/jungle or find yourself with low supply it is real

Other than that no

[sharp sierra]

marshes moutains and jungles arent real

[ancient marsh]

cooked

okay carlist spain is too butt for this ill just turn off ahistorical and gamble atp

[sharp sierra]

invade the north entrench in mountains

[north spoke]

for fascist germany do i civ greed or do i mil greed?

[sharp sierra]

military

[north spoke]

ok

[ancient marsh]

doesnt work that way

[north spoke]

so dont play facist germany

[ancient marsh]

takes too long and i already killed 2m brits

[north spoke]

good info

[sharp sierra]

it does ive played many times

[ancient marsh]

and it didnt leave a dent

[flat fjord]

mil greed you get your civs from conquering europe

[sharp sierra]

maybe ur units are just that dog water

[north spoke]

so mil greeding lets me civ greed too...

[ancient marsh]

they arent ass theres just no supply

[drowsy citrus]

Bro

Use

[tepid crown]

As long as low reliability tanks don’t push marshes or mountains, they’ll be fine with low reliability

[drowsy citrus]

Tanks

[sharp sierra]

then deal wit hthe submarines

[ancient marsh]

why didnt ithink of that

just make a navy i dont have

[sharp sierra]

do you have naval bombers

[ancient marsh]

i have nothing

no air

[flat fjord]

Bro u invaded mainland uk with an army an a half that isnt carlist spains fault ( arguably gives strongest army buffs)

[sharp sierra]

i beat new uk as denmark norway and sweden formables

[ancient marsh]

you get one good army modifier in exchange for no industry till 1940

[sharp sierra]

i had nothing but infantry and won through the north

[flat fjord]

Skill issue idk what to tell u

[ancient marsh]

a whopping 18 civs till you take portugal

[sharp sierra]

it is a skill issue

[tepid crown]

I beat Uk with 10 cav in 39 after gdr release. It’s not hard

Cav not mountaineers

[ancient marsh]

what would you do in my situation starting from right after i won the civil war in november 37

[sharp sierra]

i dont know you had a butt load of units just invade the north

[ancient marsh]

i start using all my pre cw industry making 1 army sp facility

[ancient marsh]

okay, how do i push down from the north

the terrain is unbearable to attack on

[sharp sierra]

get better stuff while you fight

[ancient marsh]

thats not how it works i lose when usa joins

[sharp sierra]

you attack the north so you survive

[feral lark]

who taught the AI to doomstack navy?

[tepid crown]

Just use cav and rush them/encircle

[opal nymph]

They are knowers

[sharp sierra]

evidently you got pushed out in the south

my strat is to entrench in highly defensible terrain

[ancient marsh]

i got pushed out after holding out for 6 months and killing 2 million brits

[tepid crown]

17 carriers 💀

[ancient marsh]

i dont think i can overstate how terrible carlist spain (and spain as a whole) actually is for a minor power lol

i can usually invade uk with little issue as other minors with half decent gameplay

im genuinely struggling so hard to make them work

[sharp sierra]

turn ahistorical on and invade everything you can

[atomic grove]

u core portugal correct?

[feral lark]

20% air traffic LMAO

[ancient marsh]

you have less civs than anyone else until mid 1940
basically 0 starting research in air or navy
have to reintegrate your entire country which takes up until 1939 because you make so little guns

[ancient marsh]

only after you already invade them

[atomic grove]

then dont bother with navy nor air research

[ancient marsh]

dont bother with navy or air research
protect your convoys and try to get cas

[sharp sierra]

maybe u gotta play the long game then

[atomic grove]

btw

[ancient marsh]

genuinely one of the most insufferable post-war gameplay in the entire game

[atomic grove]

i recommend u try invading the netherlands

before the war

like a few weeks after winning the civil war

[ancient marsh]

that was my original strat but i cant because world tension has to reach 50

since your non-aligned

[atomic grove]

oh right

[sharp sierra]

rip

[ancient marsh]

and by the time i can even justify on them they're the ones getting mauled by germany

[sharp sierra]

spain really is dog shit

[atomic grove]

except for falangist

[ancient marsh]

the ONLY pros to this

are that i start with helicopters i cant even produce

and i get a good modifier after i invest for over a year into it

[atomic grove]

anarchist spain is good

its just that

u have to wait for a long time to core what u have

[atomic grove]

just dont produce helis

u dont need them

for the british war]

[ancient marsh]

its kind of just a problem with hoi4 making balance changes and then forgetting all the other content in the game when making it

[atomic grove]

unless u really want the heli transport comp

[ancient marsh]

give pure war goals with no diplomatic expansion, make the uk way harder to invade

if they revisited spain today i guarantee it'd have some focus to just annex all of france lool

[sharp sierra]

true

"France accepts!"

[ancient marsh]

all jokes aside i hope they revisit spain

definitely needs to be more enjoyable post civil war and be more of an actual training ground for the volunteers

[night lintel]

why is my navy not engaging

[dusky burrow]

good luck

[restive estuary]

yo what path should i play in modded hoi4

[night lintel]

wdym good luck

[dusky burrow]

It's a naval battle

[restive estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/alan-amazing-world-of-gumball-gif-15077005480706598122

[dusky burrow]

also you could lose a lot of destroyers

[woven raft]

Turkey

[north spoke]

lore accurate

[dusky burrow]

Faction war moment

But also Turkey moment

[woven raft]

I don't even know how

Turkey isn't even on the map

I see

It's just this endlessly

[north spoke]

is it still possible to get early anschluss or no?

[unique dagger]

As Germany what is the best way to invade mainland England to get the allys out of your back door, it seems like if I’m playing Germany England will always have a larger navy unless I spend like a year bombing their ships

[north spoke]

you either need to pour everything into navy in the beginning or bomb the shit out of em (in my experience)

[woven raft]

Usually the north sea is easier to invade

Or just wait till they decide to put no ships in the channel for some reason

For a split second

I don't think I'm winning this

[north spoke]

nah youre chilling

[woven raft]

Ah nvm we peaced out

[dusky burrow]

If you can clear Karelia then you should be fine

[woven raft]

It's more the constant naval invasions from the UK
Italy and Soviet Union

[dusky burrow]

As long as you do not lose a port then you're fine

[woven raft]

I got 40 divisions and I have to hold all of Scandinavia

+They already own some ports before they declared

[dusky burrow]

Oh rip

Have you made any mountaineers?

[woven raft]

Nah

[dusky burrow]

I assume your worst problem is manpower?

[woven raft]

I got 200k

I just want to keep all of scandiavia and when I peace out

On my terms
They keep all the land they took

Imma just do some console stuff

[dusky burrow]

Just try to push them out, then you can rest easy

What do your main line divisions look like?

[woven raft]

It's more trying to push them out of Scandinavia
While holding the soviets

I can hold the soviets easy

I'll just wait for the Axis peacedeal

Second I peace out with the Soviets

[woven raft]

Just standard 18 width

[brave siren]

I can’t wait to hate the new dlc but still buy it anyway

[cerulean anvil]

im excited about the faction mechanics

[woven raft]

New faction mechanic might fix what I have to fight lol

It's the axis
With
Japan, China, Hungary, Germany, Chile, Brazil, Mexico and Turkey

[north tendon]

reel

[tropic wind]

No usa rework = hard pass for me

[tepid crown]

Most likely will be the major dlc after this one

[sharp sierra]

one dlc is priced like a triple a title for just a small amount of new content

[chilly cipher]

how's george v

[heavy vigil]

fav 210 day focus in vanilla ?

[misty fossil]

wow

[lucid sonnet]

when we gettin a dlc for the allies with the US included

[north spoke]

is there any way to deal with MEFOs after price control measures?

or do i have to wait until i go to war

[latent galleon]

Is the new dlc worth coming. Back to this game

[north spoke]

idk

i just know that GoE sucks

[latent galleon]

Did they update the usa

[north spoke]

no

[latent galleon]

Wow

[opal nymph]

Looks interesting but DANG that price tag is HUGE

[rustic furnace]

How much is it, im too lazy to check

[trim pike]

Depends on country

[rustic furnace]

Really interesting

[idle berry]

What other mods start you in 43’ since the actual one doesn’t work

[trim pike]

Why would u want that tho…

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/agent-jones-fortnite-agent-jones-fortnite-epic-win-gif-20986967

[rustic furnace]

Thats a really good question

[idle berry]

I like a

Challenge

[rustic furnace]

43 isnt much of a challenge

[idle berry]

yeah but it’s not like I’m a genius

[split bane]

Just look for your currency

[north spoke]

real

[misty fossil]

lol

[idle berry]

for Gods sake I barely defeat USA as Germany

and just discovered the wonders of heavy tanks

[north spoke]

shhhh

[idle berry]

And rise of nations just has like 3 playable start dayes

[north spoke]

people play multiplayer here

they dont like that word

[idle berry]

[rustic furnace]

Heavy tanks, Heavy tanks, Heavy tanks

[north spoke]

im a singleplayer main

heavy tanks are my beloved

[rustic furnace]

Im more of a medium tank guy myself, but understand why you enjoy heavies

[idle berry]

One sec

I won this battle

Easily

[rustic furnace]

No way they are selling a dlc for $48 💀

[split bane]

Its the expansion pass

[north spoke]

who else but paradox

[swift condor]

hi

[rustic furnace]

I bet your lovin it

[chilly cipher]

tfr reference

[heavy vigil]

hi dempsey

[feral lark]

i do wish there was a way to tell naval bombers to ignore/deprioritize convoys. like, i don't care about the 4 convoys that my bomber killed, i care about the fleet of 200 everything that's wandering around

[rustic furnace]

Hello Casey

[heavy vigil]

hru??

[rustic furnace]

good

[autumn plover]

You know if we wanna be historically accurate, Mass Assault-Deep Battle should probably have a lot more planning bonuses than it does already

[warm vine]

So tuff 👏👏👏

[autumn plover]

It’s basically just for the Red Army, and at least by the later half of the war, they were very, very good at big picture operations dealing with a lot of moving parts.

[serene token]

Peaky Blinders.

[trim pike]

Then try endsieg

Or ragnarok

Or any of those endgame scenarios

[deep geyser]

50 dollars for new dlc?? and you dont even get all the shit

wtf

[trim pike]

Or sheep ai for hard ai

Wdym all

[deep geyser]

you buy the pass and you dont even get everything included

preorder on a normal order

crazy

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-seal-dance-kad-kadinhou-sfc-gif-27260805

[trim pike]

But u do wdym

[misty fossil]

how it feels to buy a gamepass and it has goe in it

[deep geyser]

they selling packs with shit that aint even out now

paradox trying its hardest not to recreate ea: impossible

[autumn plover]

Outside of like Ethiopia, what's the hardest small nation to play defensive as?

Cause Belgium is lowkey easy as hell with how much industry and fort buffs you get

I'm routinely able to get like level 8 forts WITH Strongholds in every stateand max AA in all states and like 72 divisions by the time the war starts

Biggest problem honestly is just not joining the allies cause otherwise they'll chew up all of my supply with shitty divisions

[rustic furnace]

You can block allies from getting supply in your land

[autumn plover]

I do and that mostly works

but a few will still be aronud and have cost me all of Belgium more times than I'd like to admit

[trim pike]

Its not that bad tho

Lots of content

[heavy vigil]

releasables or starter?

[rustic furnace]

I thought it was $48 for 1 dlc, seeing its $48 for all that. Im a little less upset.

[autumn plover]

Either or, though preferably starters

[heavy vigil]

western sahara...

mengkukuo also sucks

[deep geyser]

a dlc shouldnt cost as much as the game

[heavy vigil]

iceland is the weakest with a focus tree

[trim pike]

dls?

[heavy vigil]

its multiple

[trim pike]

hm kinda true

[heavy vigil]

but yeah

[trim pike]

esp since its from mtg too

[deep geyser]

one that isnt even made by them lol

[trim pike]

they did pay people to make one part of it tho

[deep geyser]

watch dlc gonna drop like graveyard of empires

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290022688248827905/1396064465568661629/togif.gif

[autumn plover]

Is there a way to oppose Japan as Menkukuo?

[rustic furnace]

no

[autumn plover]

Damn

[heavy vigil]

as manchukuo you can

as mengkukuo you can uh

slowly break free

or civil war

civil war is fastest

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[deep geyser]

danzig world conquest

[heavy vigil]

and then youre only surrounded by somewhat stronger countries

[void crescent]

should i cancel mefo bills

[autumn plover]

Always

[void crescent]

its may 1937

[heavy vigil]

no

[autumn plover]

Yes

[heavy vigil]

just make mils

no civs

[void crescent]

ok

[heavy vigil]

and its way better

[autumn plover]

Blow up your economy

[void crescent]

well im kinda new so i made civs, but i just ended up ending constrction and setting up mills everywhere

[rustic furnace]

Why would anyone ever do this, its just giving yourself a nerf for no reason

[autumn plover]

This may be a hot take, but I think democratic and communist paths are typically a lot more fun than non-aligned and fascist ones

[void crescent]

^

[heavy vigil]

just dont make them as germany

easiest eco management ever

[autumn plover]

You'll get an infinite amount later conquering all of Europe

[void crescent]

nice

[autumn plover]

Not so much mils

[heavy vigil]

i mean you need an army

army takes equipment

[autumn plover]

Like recently I just played as democratic Austria, most fun I've ever had killing 3 million Germans

[heavy vigil]

equipment takes output and output efficiency

so you want those

[autumn plover]

Slow, very slow, lot of just grinding the Germans down, lot of it, that was actually 98% of the game. But it is a dopamine factory to watch the enemy casualties climb into the millions while you're sitting on sub 10k

[void crescent]

can you rate my production line

lemme show you rq if you want me to

[vivid furnace]

PH + US in multiplayer would be whack.

[heavy vigil]

no

depends on your build

and its prob bad but its fine

[void crescent]

tank spam poland

[heavy vigil]

thats not how the game works

[tranquil void]

I give up on this damn achievement dude

[dusky burrow]

Taymyria be liek:

[tranquil void]

The forming byzantium one

Its so annoying

[heavy vigil]

dont they get a military high command?

making them infinitely better

[tranquil void]

Ive done like 15 attempts today

[heavy vigil]

ticking xp gain

[tranquil void]

I wasted my day off

If i don't do nonhistorical then the tension is too high and turkey joins the allies

If I do non historical a bunch of dumb stuff happens and turkey no matter what is always guaranteed by romania

It is infinitely frustrating

[dusky burrow]

Oh I see

[void crescent]

which option

[misty fossil]

read the tooltip

screenshot all 3 options

and show us that

otherwise that screenshot is telling us nothing of value

hover your mouse over each button and take a screenshot of each table

[void crescent]

order goes as first to last

[misty fossil]

i would say the first isnt worth it unless you have very high collaboration

the other two are the same, take whichever you like

[void crescent]

im not really good at hoi4

[misty fossil]

and do not call puppets into the war

[void crescent]

i just use cheats to play but im not using cheats for this run i hope

[void crescent]

why not

[misty fossil]

cheating is cool but it doesnt expose you to learning opportunities

[void crescent]

it doesn't

[misty fossil]

humans excel under hardship

[void crescent]

yes

[misty fossil]

ya

[misty fossil]

think of it as this way

look at italy

[void crescent]

are you joking

[misty fossil]

do NOT unpause

[void crescent]

do i just kill them

[misty fossil]

declare now

otherwise the uk guarantees

the second a tick ticks over the uk guarantees them

[rustic furnace]

Get a field marshal

[misty fossil]

i think

[void crescent]

runs over btw

[misty fossil]

and you need more troops

[rustic furnace]

They 100% will

[void crescent]

it unpaused when i was looking at the romanian fighter thing

so

[misty fossil]

*yes

check if uh

[void crescent]

i can't really do anything anymore

and the uk is guaranteeing them

[misty fossil]

rip

reload the save

do you have autosave set to monthly

[void crescent]

good idea

i think

[misty fossil]

thats not cheating btw

[void crescent]

does october 1st mean its monthly

[misty fossil]

yes

[void crescent]

you're joking bro

[misty fossil]

saves on 1st day each month

gg then

[void crescent]

they still guarantee them

so

what should be my next move

[misty fossil]

regardless yugoslavia is of little value

ignore them

[void crescent]

ok

[misty fossil]

they only have like 40 factories

[void crescent]

the lion doesn't care of the opinion of the small dog or what

[stoic cargo]

Why did they remove the Wehrmacht and SS conflict/revolt from the game?

[misty fossil]

yes

[rustic furnace]

Click that when you select an army

Field marshal is 1 free stats

[void crescent]

i know how to make field marshalls

[void crescent]

also

won't they join ww2

or no

[rustic furnace]

2 easier to manage army

[rustic furnace]

Then why didnt you 💔

[void crescent]

cause

idk

[misty fossil]

this games learning curve is crazy tbh

[rustic furnace]

Indeed

[rustic furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352792703120838690/1418118438404100137/heart-locket.gif

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-seal-dance-kad-kadinhou-sfc-gif-27260805

[void crescent]

should i expand claims or influence the baltics

[pearl jackal]

Yeah usually as germany i time the pause at 1am and declare immediately

[pearl jackal]

Expand claims u can kill them

[atomic grove]

expand claims

[pearl jackal]

Influence is boring

[atomic grove]

its a no brainer

[void crescent]

ok i will keel

[pearl jackal]

Yeah

[void crescent]

so i just instantlyinavade

[atomic grove]

immediately invade them before the ussr attempts to annex them

[pearl jackal]

Yeah refer to this #hoi4-general message

[void crescent]

i already did molotov ribbentrop

and its late 1938

[pearl jackal]

Declare on Estonia and Latvia at the same tine

[void crescent]

no, 1939

[void crescent]

i barely have guys in konigsberg

[atomic grove]

they will join the allies no matter what

[rustic furnace]

Funny

[atomic grove]

even if they arent being guaranteed

[pearl jackal]

Yep ur cooked ussr will annex them

[void crescent]

okay

well

[pearl jackal]

They won't

[void crescent]

they don't seem much use to me

[atomic grove]

if ur fascist and in the axis, and u declare, they will

[pearl jackal]

Set up battle plan rn

[atomic grove]

from my experience they do

[pearl jackal]

From mine they don't

[void crescent]

like an old person hearing the term 67

[pearl jackal]

Maybe non-historical vs historical

[void crescent]

i have no clue what you mean

[pearl jackal]

Wdym

[atomic grove]

what year

[void crescent]

do i just

[pearl jackal]

Oh

[void crescent]

invade the baltics

[pearl jackal]

38-39

[pearl jackal]

Yeah

[void crescent]

uhuh

ok

its jan 15th 1939

[atomic grove]

dont

[void crescent]

would that ruin what i have with the ussr

[atomic grove]

wait no

[pearl jackal]

I mean if ur on historical

[atomic grove]

r i talking about

[pearl jackal]

U might be cooked

[atomic grove]

baltics or yugo?

[void crescent]

ok

[pearl jackal]

Baltics

[void crescent]

baltics

[atomic grove]

invade

they will join the allies

but that doesnt matter

[misty fossil]

the soviets is such a nothingburger to deal with

3 encirclements and you wipe out half of their army

[void crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/its-gem-its-gem-soyjak-gemerald-gif-5088962182472909914

[pearl jackal]

Depends on what ur planning on

But prob just

Kill baltics

[atomic grove]

just encircle bialystok honestly

[pearl jackal]

And poland

[misty fossil]

lol

[void crescent]

im so scared dude

this is the farthest i've got

[atomic grove]

of baltics??

[void crescent]

im gonna make a save

[void crescent]

well not farthest but

[void crescent]

dawg

[pearl jackal]

Of the allies prob

[void crescent]

the allies are gonna gang me

[vapid bough]

I set the game to historical why in god's good name is the Soviets invading China

[atomic grove]

allies r not scary if u have like 100 subs

or even just 60

[pearl jackal]

Cuz paradox

[pearl jackal]

Nah just cope

[atomic grove]

plus

just kill denmark

[void crescent]

do i just spam light tanks

[atomic grove]

to block any lend lease

[atomic grove]

no

[vapid bough]

There's Soviets in Ningbo and there's British volunteers trying to push them out

[atomic grove]

r u crazy

[pearl jackal]

They can't naval invade if u do the bare minimum of putting 24 divisions on the coastline

[pearl jackal]

Med tanks

[void crescent]

crazy to win

[atomic grove]

wheres ur mediums

[vapid bough]

Kriegsmarine speech bubble

[pearl jackal]

Crazy to get cooked

[atomic grove]

bait the royal navy and invade

[void crescent]

jsut researched them

im paused time

[pearl jackal]

K

[atomic grove]

did u atleast mass produce them

or start making them yet

[pearl jackal]

Yeah put like 30 on med tanks

[void crescent]

not yet

[atomic grove]

u should

[void crescent]

ok

[atomic grove]

never use light tanks

ever

[void crescent]

30 div med tanks?

[pearl jackal]

Factories*

[atomic grove]

use mediums or heavys

[void crescent]

im gonna get a full 24 div of meds the a 6/18 med/inf division stack

is that one of my best moves

[pearl jackal]

Idk

[atomic grove]

i think thats too big

[pearl jackal]

What's a good med tank template

[void crescent]

i don't even have the template dlc

[atomic grove]

what dlc

[pearl jackal]

Me neither dw

[pearl jackal]

Tank designer

[rustic furnace]

You dont have no step back

[atomic grove]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/100-yard-stare-1000-yard-stare-stare-staring-staring-meme-gif-18404030142962634873

[void crescent]

i could get nsb

but

[rustic furnace]

That complicates things

[atomic grove]

get it

[void crescent]

then i'd have to

jumble everything

[atomic grove]

if u can

[void crescent]

at once

i mean i can

buyt

its gonna complicate more

[atomic grove]

dw

[atomic grove]

theres already meta tank designs

[void crescent]

im just gonna amass an air force

[sudden falcon]

i would never downgrade my hoi4

[void crescent]

how about this

[rustic furnace]

nsb isnt that complicated

[atomic grove]

no

[rustic furnace]

and lots of people here can help

[void crescent]

why not

[atomic grove]

theres not enough time

to build an airforce

[void crescent]

my industry is gonna get bombed

[void crescent]

i already like

whatchamacallit

i

produced planes

[atomic grove]

u dont have enough rubber to mass produce planes

[trim pike]

Centaura?

Dead ahead?

[void crescent]

i do

i have rubber

[atomic grove]

trading with who?

[void crescent]

cause i traded with siam

[trim pike]

Do u play DA

[void crescent]

sometimes

[atomic grove]

siam isnt gonna be land tradable soon

also

[sudden falcon]

this is a laughable industry

not doing this again

[void crescent]

thats in 2 years pluh

[rustic furnace]

How much rubber

[atomic grove]

u will have to mass produce planes, in which siam doesnt have enough rubber

[rustic furnace]

That will be cut off by the british

[atomic grove]

then just use anti air

[void crescent]

so just aa spam all over germany

aa building

[atomic grove]

no

support anti air on everything

[void crescent]

ok

[atomic grove]

on every division if u can

[void crescent]

urrrrr unc

urrrrrrrrrrrrr

[tranquil void]

Any tips for the byzantine focus

[atomic grove]

what focus

horror and fear?

[void crescent]

is this bad

[atomic grove]

yes

dont use lights

use mediums

[sudden falcon]

dont use light tanks

[mossy escarp]

Alright boys thought I would put my save here I have been cooked after some great wins my armies have been destroyed by Iran and the British 💀💀 also the great trial and burgudy are about to start civil war

[void crescent]

i don't have mediums yet

[sudden falcon]

motorize the aa and artillery

[void crescent]

im still paused time

[sudden falcon]

its 1939

[void crescent]

i researched them

but i paused time

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[void crescent]

so its not researching right now

[sudden falcon]

motorize the at and arty

[atomic grove]

restart

unless

u can find someway

[void crescent]

so this

[atomic grove]

to produce a ton of mediums

[atomic grove]

in 1 year

[mossy escarp]

Also I have no man power

[void crescent]

then replace lights with meds

[mossy escarp]

20 million in losses

[sudden falcon]

if you havent even researched basic mediums by 1939

[void crescent]

if theres a will theres a way

[atomic grove]

u dont need support anti tank and anti tank battallions

[sudden falcon]

then just restart

its ai

you dont need at

[atomic grove]

no

like

[void crescent]

no

[atomic grove]

usa joins in mid 1941

[void crescent]

if theres a will

[rustic furnace]

This is still terrible

[sudden falcon]

you need to do treaty with ussr

[void crescent]

theres a way dawg

[void crescent]

i did

[sudden falcon]

rush down for mediums

[tranquil void]

Yeah

Its so so so annoying

[atomic grove]

i forgot that focus existed

[tranquil void]

Because Romania always gets involved

[atomic grove]

dont do that

[tranquil void]

And by the time I finish turkey

[sudden falcon]

usually i have 4-6 30-40w medium tank divs by the fall of warsaw

[atomic grove]

only do horror and fear after defeating the allies

[tranquil void]

But then I cant form byzantium because im not fascist

[atomic grove]

its not worth it yet

[mossy escarp]

I beg for someone’s help burgudy is about to put me on an spit roast

[void crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/regular-show-they-are-stupid-to-us-ooga-booga-we-are-too-smart-for-them-gif-26986817

no clue what you're saying gng

don't wanna be rude or nth

[sudden falcon]

4 through 6 tank divisions at 30 or 40 combat width

[void crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-brain-dead-drool-bored-gif-7233020

[tranquil void]

Im using 7-2s for it what would u recommend im trying superior firepower with it. Also how do u recommend i do Albania then if Italy is in the axis

[sudden falcon]

whats the inf meta

[void crescent]

so like

[sudden falcon]

for divs

[sudden falcon]

rush medium tanks

thats what you do

[void crescent]

okok

[gusty oracle]

infantry

[void crescent]

i am kinda scared

[sudden falcon]

7/2 8/1 or 9/1

[atomic grove]

do hatless spiders strat of defeating italy early, but without calling germany in

naval invade through the adriatic sea

oh and also

bait italy into putting divs into ports they naval invaded on ur land

[sudden falcon]

@void crescent also

[void crescent]

yo

[sudden falcon]

dont do aa unless u dont have an airforce

i'd start building mils in mid 1937

[atomic grove]

btw

actually no

ive already told u

about albania

[void crescent]

i do have mils

[tranquil void]

So italy before turkey? I only have like 13 divisions u thi k that's enough?

[void crescent]

actually

[atomic grove]

no

first

kill netherlands

[void crescent]

im gonna restart from my october 1st 1937

[void crescent]

save

[atomic grove]

puppet indonesia

[void crescent]

@sudden falcon is this a good move

[atomic grove]

make troops using indonesian manpower

then

justify on albania

kill albania with 1 cav by rushing into their coasts

[uncut heath]

any new dlc?

[atomic grove]

then

[atomic grove]

yeah

but

its in

november

[sudden falcon]

just restart

[uncut heath]

alr

[uncut heath]

the eaqst asian dlc?

[atomic grove]

yes

[tranquil void]

Im Greece bro.

[atomic grove]

ok so

[void crescent]

ok

[tranquil void]

I don't get racism until at the very least mid 37

[atomic grove]

basically

[tranquil void]

By then

[void crescent]

its good if i just restart anyway

[tranquil void]

Netherlands is guranteed

[atomic grove]

get mil access from sweden

[atomic grove]

justify on indonesia

[random delta]

pizza time

[atomic grove]

not netherlands

restart

[atomic grove]

naval invade from sweden (search up how)

[void crescent]

woah woah woah

why doesn't bulgaria have anything

[tranquil void]

Okay...

[atomic grove]

kill greece, puppet everything

[rustic furnace]

Been awhile since i've seen green vichy

[tranquil void]

Erm

[void crescent]

💢 😠

[tranquil void]

Bud

[atomic grove]

copy the 9 block inf div from indonesia then add an arty battalion

[void crescent]

answer me.

[random delta]

they got left out

[void crescent]

😠

[tranquil void]

Im trying to get the byzantium achievement i AM greece

[void crescent]

how dare you

[atomic grove]

yes ik

thats why

im saying this

btw

tip

or actually no this is required

[void crescent]

im joking garlic

😭

[atomic grove]

as early as u can, get 1 collaboration gov on britain

because

[void crescent]

im gonna play hoi4 later

[atomic grove]

its impossible to push into northern england

[random delta]

its not MY fault the only thing Bulgaria did the whole game was sit around and get one state from Romania

[atomic grove]

u will only get up to liverpool and leeds

[void crescent]

that was some ok practice

[atomic grove]

i know this because ive done it so many times without the collab gov and always failed

[tranquil void]

Do u recommend historical or non historical

[atomic grove]

idk

historical i guess

i havent played byzantium nor macedonia on non hist

i did the hard, and quicker way

btw u should also kill bulgaria if u can

[tranquil void]

So how would I invade Britain with no naval supremacy

[atomic grove]

once u join ww2, kill spain

dw spain will never join the allies now

take the navies of the dutch and spanish

if u want it to be easier to get to britain, spam subs from the start of ur game

then use the subs to bait the royal navy away from the channel

u will have to sacrifice the navies u got from your conquered nations

[random delta]

by the way i also have a colony in the black sea for some reason

[tranquil void]

Alr alr

So lemme get this straight

[rustic furnace]

Where is your field marshal

[tranquil void]

First Netherlands then Italy then Spain then the uk?

[atomic grove]

yes

[random delta]

my what now

[atomic grove]

get mil access from sweden, kill netherlands, kill italy, join ww2, kill spain

or

u can kill spain first

and then join ww2

[rustic furnace]

A field marshal

[tranquil void]

So ill o lying have like 13 divisions so I need to rush fascism right?

[random delta]

i have never seen or used one

[rustic furnace]

You should

[atomic grove]

yeah

[rustic furnace]

Its free stats

[atomic grove]

just rush the byzantine path

[rustic furnace]

And easier to manage army

[atomic grove]

afterwards

[random delta]

mkay

[atomic grove]

focus on economy

u can do left or right path

depends on what u like more

[rustic furnace]

Click that after you select an army

[atomic grove]

dont forget to make divisions using indonesian manpower after killing the dutch

[tranquil void]

Yeah yeah so 7/2s?

[random delta]

ok well i will try that next time because free stats = good

[rustic furnace]

Yes stats = good

[atomic grove]

9 inf and 1 or 2 arty battalions

u can add support companies if u can afford them

[tranquil void]

I won't have fully equipped divisions or even 75% for netherlands

[random delta]

and red does not = good

[wraith mauve]

First time playing ussr

[atomic grove]

just make a budget offensive division

9 inf, support arty, and 1 arty battalion

u dont need that much divisions to defeat the dutch

[random delta]

of all nations to be a good starter i would have never expected Italy

[atomic grove]

yeah

u quite literally get to conquer all of the balkans

including turkey

u get a free puppet on yugo

[wraith mauve]

Wen will purge end

[random delta]

well yeah but you also have the downside of starting at war and being italy

[atomic grove]

italy is decent at battle

but thats if u play italy

[rustic furnace]

I'd count that as an upside

[uncut heath]

i am playing germany kaiserreich

any tips

[wraith mauve]

Seriously

[atomic grove]

its just like playing vanilla usa

[uncut heath]

ye i meant vanila germany kaiser

[atomic grove]

ohh

i thought u meant germany in kaiserreich

[rustic furnace]

You could have said that your playing monarchist germany

[uncut heath]

itrue

[wraith mauve]

Im gonna touch Turkey

[atomic grove]

anyways

[uncut heath]

no any tips

[atomic grove]

r u trying to conquer all of europe

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[atomic grove]

or just be good guy (by that i mean help austria form austria hungary, help bulgaria, and also help turkey)

[uncut heath]

like kr germany but in vanila

[wraith mauve]

Is that peak?

Im only touching Turkey so I can touch Romania

[rustic furnace]

no that was a wild statement

[uncut heath]

both

[wraith mauve]

🙁

[atomic grove]

what

[uncut heath]

reforming reichspakt

[atomic grove]

honestly

[wraith mauve]

I need a light tank template for early game Soviet

[atomic grove]

just go left path in economy

i dont recommend four year plan