hoi4-general

[oak kestrel]

what is best doctorine for germany

[devout trench]

It’s china so like…

[finite plume]

God hope this new DLC adds more cities

[devout trench]

there’s nearly 100 million going to be living just 100 miles south

[finite plume]

PDX has a bunch of unused cities too

[devout trench]

Giant population means lower value in cities

[finite plume]

If you click random provinces then sometimes they have names and such

[devout trench]

Hoi4 but every province is a vp

Actually

Every tile is a victory point

[finite plume]

Imagine in HOI5 every province has its own population

So instead of taking Hefei and getting like 60M people

You have to take every province to fully add up to 60M

🥀

[devout trench]

Maybe

What if they added economy to hoi5

So then we play vic3 in the hoi5

[finite plume]

PDX could prob make bank from HOI5 without changing much

They just need to update the Engine and add more opportunities for modding

[devout trench]

Make the engine be able to run past 45

[uneven portal]

idk what they would do differently in hoi5 though

asides from like

reworked focus trees sure

[devout trench]

There is a lot possible

[uneven portal]

but like what else is there to add that actually makes it worthwhile to make it a whole different experience and not just another hoi4 update

[devout trench]

New graphics, new menus, new systems, etc

[devout trench]

Because new game = hype = more cash

[finite plume]

World Conquest with this peninsula

[uneven portal]

yess

[finite plume]

It's not like HOI4 players all just play Vanilla

A majority are mod users

[uneven portal]

coqnuer alaska and vladivostok

[uneven portal]

yes im aware

cus base hoi4 is just

[devout trench]

World conquest with Jan Mayen

[uneven portal]

its something

[daring tundra]

Pops system

[finite plume]

Just give the modders good tools (Unlike the Nudger that's built on tape and dreams), better engine & performance, and more customization

[devout trench]

Make kaiserreich it’s own game fr

[daring tundra]

And there are a lot of ideas they could take from mods. Like, every mechanic from kaiserreich

[uneven portal]

hoi5 gets ww1 start date

[devout trench]

Hoi5 gets napoleonic wars start date

Actually

Fall of Constantinople start date

[daring tundra]

Westphalia start date

[uneven portal]

we're here fighting the punic wars in base hoi5

[devout trench]

Norman invasion of England start date

[misty fossil]

europa universalis 5:

[finite plume]

Is that the actual name 😭

[misty fossil]

1337 start date i believe

literally leet

[uneven portal]

u should just be able to pick ur own startdate in hoi5

time travel

[devout trench]

That would be awesome

[uneven portal]

u could be in 3000bc

or u could be in the year 25431

[acoustic fiber]

hi guys

is anyones game is freezing at menu like me ?

[devout trench]

No

[finite plume]

Using mods?

[uneven portal]

no

[acoustic fiber]

no

if i cut internet off its normal

[tepid edge]

as an eu4 player i see nothing wrong

[finite plume]

Denmark was up to some tomfoolery

[uneven portal]

truly

[devout trench]

The Kalmar Union…

That should be a formable in hoi4

[finite plume]

So lazy bruh I needa mod these islands but making new countries is tedious 🥀

[uneven portal]

i prefer ikea empire

[uneven portal]

brother

just delete anything below mexico

[finite plume]

Why is Mexico the line of interest 🥀

[uneven portal]

idk

[devout trench]

Delete all of North America except US and Canada

[uneven portal]

no

mexico stays

[finite plume]

But then the holy trio doesn't exist

[uneven portal]

yes

[finite plume]

C-anada U-nited States M-exico

🗿

[uneven portal]

bri

bro

no

[finite plume]

Yes

[uneven portal]

can we

delete this guy

[finite plume]

Which guy

[uneven portal]

like what most modders do to south america'

[uneven portal]

you

[finite plume]

Why

I'm saying Keep Mexico bruh

[heavy vigil]

Brasil usually survives

[uneven portal]

bad reason

[heavy vigil]

🔥

[uneven portal]

bro

but then

[finite plume]

Speaking of Brazil

[uneven portal]

that looks odd

[fair horizon]

Brazil number 1

[finite plume]

All my Brazilian homies hate Nordeste

[uneven portal]

just a random floating big island

its ether u delete south america

annex it all to braizl

or dont touch it

just forget about it

[fair horizon]

ngl every single person ive ever met from brazil is nice af

[uneven portal]

yes

[finite plume]

Also

[uneven portal]

thats why

casey is nice

[finite plume]

Does Fascism even have a unique occupation law?

Like how Communism has liberated and Democracy has autonomous

[uneven portal]

do the others have anything

[finite plume]

Yes

[scenic moon]

Yes they do

[fair horizon]

commie has liberated workers

[scenic moon]

Idk about dem one

[uneven portal]

oh fascism has brutal oppression

[finite plume]

Democracy one is good

[scenic moon]

Oh true

[uneven portal]

yes

cus we take the america path

[devout trench]

+50% compliance gain

[uneven portal]

make everything

a state

[scenic moon]

Communism is worse than fascism

[devout trench]

Why?

Marx portrait gives you free manpower

[uneven portal]

wtf

wait

bor

[scenic moon]

Sorry I meant in general

[uneven portal]

brutal oppression is ass

[devout trench]

Brutal oppression is only there for larpers

[scenic moon]

I always use secret police then slowly changing to local police

[scenic moon]

They put it for sigma German players

[fair horizon]

cause most countries have enough manpower

[scenic moon]

Finland doesnt🥺

[devout trench]

Most of Europe doesn’t 😭

[finite plume]

I forgot I did this to measure population 🥀

That's a very North Korea

[devout trench]

Besides maybe Germany and Russia

[scenic moon]

North north korea

[fair horizon]

wym

[uneven portal]

bring it a LITTLE south and annex south korea and you'll have goguryeo

[scenic moon]

England ?

[fair horizon]

you ever played australia?

i got 7m population

[finite plume]

Greater Goguryeo

[devout trench]

Who is playing uk in hoi4

[scenic moon]

Have y ever played norway

[fair horizon]

yes

[scenic moon]

I did for cas meme

[fair horizon]

you can take out sweden and denmark and go kalmar union

[scenic moon]

.

[uneven portal]

its a crucial country to play as but like

its ass

[devout trench]

Real

[finite plume]

Random fun fact: Rif has its own custom leader with good buffs

Why? Idk

[scenic moon]

Which path

[crude dragon]

why is my puppet panama is not forming gran colombia even though it has all required states?

[scenic moon]

King?

[devout trench]

Paradox devs add stuff like this and then don’t add Bhutan focus tree

[fair horizon]

should just be a decision

[crude dragon]

is this a bug or something

[scenic moon]

Bcz he is puppet?

[crude dragon]

i have four other puppets that are formable

[fair horizon]

you just cheese the swedish war with horses and boo m

[crude dragon]

arabia,.malaysia, antilles and central america

[finite plume]

Which one y'all taking

Small chad or Big chad

[fair horizon]

small chad is still a chad

[devout trench]

Is this the Egypt-Sudan border?

[finite plume]

Yes

[finite plume]

Small chad only has 2 people

But 2 is enough

[fair horizon]

rip ottomans

[devout trench]

This looks oddly familiar to a certain peace treaty back in the early 1900s

[finite plume]

Least chaotic Balkan borders

[untold sphinx]

1 year difference

[fair horizon]

french 🤮

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/napoleon-asyjdauu-gif-16491934308297234021

[devout trench]

French focus tree is just

[fair horizon]

didnt even take out yugo smh

[fallow grove]

When new dlc

[devout trench]

Ass

[finite plume]

2030 without delays

[fallow grove]

I thought it was fun to do napoleonic france

[devout trench]

France being fun?

[patent thistle]

russia is there for a fun time (back from a shift)

[fallow grove]

Argentina lets you have Adolf Hitler

But I never manage to get him

[patent thistle]

the napoleon path feels extremly rushed since you dont even get wargoals on every former french enemy (austria or italy for example)

[fair horizon]

gotta go fascist by the time hes deposed

[devout trench]

Also the monarchist paths are so small

Like 3 focuses at max

[crude dragon]

ok second question, since panama is my puppet why peru did not form it as my independent faction member?

[fallow grove]

So he must not be in Germany?

[fair horizon]

most useful radar station

[fair horizon]

right

[patent thistle]

you dont have to go fascist you just have to do "work with the nationalists"

and make germany start in civilwar

easy

[fallow grove]

With the war goal to Germany you drag Italy

Anyway

[untold sphinx]

capitulated germany in 3 weeks

[patent thistle]

non-historical:

[finite plume]

That one island in that photo always makes me confused

It's connected via strait to 2 provinces that aren't bordering each other

[fallow grove]

French commune

[finite plume]

So somehow taking an island takes a chunk of the mainland

[patent thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-black-child-exorcist-savun-gif-2886110114740383915

[finite plume]

I bet even if you're Communist you'd still get the dang civil wars

[scenic moon]

French commune is worst shit ever

[patent thistle]

GET THE F*** AWAY FROM ME

STAY BACK

[fallow grove]

Someone knows why in peace deals Italy will demand Moscow or Leningrad or even Stalingrad

[fair horizon]

confusles , thats australia

[finite plume]

This what I mean btw

[fallow grove]

Or any other place I need to control for Germanic reich

[patent thistle]

.

[finite plume]

Italy

[fair horizon]

oh that hurts me physically

[finite plume]

That's the reason

[patent thistle]

funny navy

[finite plume]

Plain and simple

[fair horizon]

french boats 🤮

[finite plume]

What is this diversity project ah fleet

[patent thistle]

i just use them because yes

[finite plume]

IJN Kaga too 🥀

[patent thistle]

akagi:

those are from a purchase mod i use

[fallow grove]

Japanese fleet is ass

[fair horizon]

368 destroyers 🤮

[finite plume]

This man is a professional wallet snatcher for navies 🥀

[fallow grove]

I sunk the whole fleet with the us starting fleet a few runs

[finite plume]

Thermonuclear bomb vs coughing baby

[fair horizon]

bro bought ships from another nation as a major 🥀

[patent thistle]

quality over quanity

[fallow grove]

You can’t buy ships

Only convoy

[finite plume]

He's paranoid of the subs

[patent thistle]

i have a mod for it

[fair horizon]

TIER 3 DESTROYERS? 🤮

[patent thistle]

made by a friend

[fair horizon]

bro wasted time researching destroyer tech

[fallow grove]

Cruisers are better screens

[finite plume]

Guys just let the man build his destroyers 🥀

[patent thistle]

let me have my fun i just do it to show how idiotic Plan Z was

[finite plume]

Does the UK even have any oil deposits in Britain

[fallow grove]

The kriegsmarine enjoyer

[fair horizon]

dont believe so

they did kinda conquer half the world for that though

[finite plume]

So theoretically

[patent thistle]

do you seriously expect germany building 10 battleships and 4 carriers (as planned by Plan Z) without effecting the army or airforce in any way?

[finite plume]

Just raid em and boom

No more oil = no more big bad ships

[fair horizon]

yes

[fallow grove]

Spam naval dockyard?

[patent thistle]

i wasnt talking about hoi4

[fair horizon]

get rid of the fat idiot in charge of the luftwaffe and allocate resources to defending the land you took

[finite plume]

Yeah no they got nothin'

[fallow grove]

Bet Hitler tried to do plan z focus irl

[patent thistle]

they did they just failed misserably

[fallow grove]

And blitzkrieg across the Atlantic

[fair horizon]

honestly he used his ships like an idiot, sending the capital ships to convoy raid

[finite plume]

Anyways here's a little map of resources in the world (Red being richest, green being poorest)

[patent thistle]

that was dönitz

[fair horizon]

who put him in charge?

[fallow grove]

Bro was busy spamming force attack on Stalingrad he forgot to retreat his ship

[patent thistle]

there you have why i always murder the dutch first

[heavy vigil]

Me buying an aircraft carrier

[patent thistle]

it was after raeder lost favour with h1tler after he staled the naval plans

[fair horizon]

raeder was the sub guy right?

[patent thistle]

dönitz is the sub guy

[fallow grove]

Yes he has the sub trait

Or donitz

One of them does

[patent thistle]

raeder is the majority reason Plan Z was even thought about

[fallow grove]

But tbh who even tries to convoy raid as Germany when you need to put your whole fleet in the English Channel to naval invade

[patent thistle]

also btw h1tler actually had reasons for this due to the anglo-german naval agreement he thought the UK could be swayed to there side

[untold sphinx]

me

and it works

[fallow grove]

Wdym

[untold sphinx]

divert their fleet to the atlantic and invade them

[fallow grove]

Do Britain runs out of convoys?

[untold sphinx]

no

its to invade them

[fallow grove]

Fun fact you can have the naval invade order planned and the fleet ready before you declare on Poland

And it will work

[fair horizon]

Goring is the reason that the british got out of dunkerque though

[untold sphinx]

lol but then you'll invade with what? infantry?

[fallow grove]

It works

Go to hull

[untold sphinx]

maybe worked a year ago

[fallow grove]

Or Dover

[patent thistle]

mainly because this legitimated german naval expansion

[untold sphinx]

britain rework makes it so if u dont have mass mob infantry 35.2w or atleast 10 op marines with tanks u cant rly invade them

[untold sphinx]

terrible idea

[fallow grove]

Yes you can

[untold sphinx]

that just woulnt work

[patent thistle]

it does

[untold sphinx]

not really

[fallow grove]

Plan the naval order and be ready then declare to Poland

[finite plume]

Bomb them

[patent thistle]

if you have enought naval forces that is

[untold sphinx]

lmao it wont work if u alr have ur units in poland

[finite plume]

If they don't fall

Bomb them harder

Keep bombing them

[untold sphinx]

u cant invade britain wtih like 20 infantry lmfao

[finite plume]

Bomb them endlessly

[fallow grove]

You don’t need your whole army in Poland

[fair horizon]

you definitely can

[untold sphinx]

not with 18 width basic infantry

i'd like to see you try in 39/40

considering you won't have air or naval supremacy as germany

that sounds ridiculous and this type of thing worked maybe a year ago

[fallow grove]

That’s why you naval invade order is planned and the fleet ready then you declare to Poland

[untold sphinx]

once they move their fleet you wont have the supremacy genius

supply, air and coast will be terrible

[patent thistle]

hold my beer (ignore the akagi and kaga and you have the ships i build myself)

[fallow grove]

The naval invasion launches it doesn’t matter if you lose the fleet

[untold sphinx]

lol

[untold sphinx]

it does

lol

[fair horizon]

bro build 2 more pre-dreadnoughts

[sudden grotto]

Atomwaffen 💔

[untold sphinx]

hate those types of maps

[fallow grove]

You can even manually justify Britain and invade them in 36

[vapid pecan]

they said it has an epik super event💔

[fallow grove]

And it’s autarky achieved

[vapid pecan]

woah

[finite plume]

Bro downloaded an unfinished version 🥀

[finite plume]

Ayo he's Mapcist

[vapid pecan]

no, I played this yesterday

it got cooked

[sudden grotto]

Cancel him rn fr fr

[heavy vigil]

Woah buddy im gonna have to stop you there /j

[vapid pecan]

lets go I got the save back

[zinc light]

So Propaganda and collabs are pretty great
Got Germany down to capping at 38% so far

[vapid bough]

glorious regia marina

[cedar latch]

Sigh

What’s the situation?

[peak lance]

ok I want to do a dumb hoi4 where all I do is focus on navy give me a country I was thinking either romania or guangxi

actually wait romania navy sounds amazing

and marines

[finite plume]

How the Italian navy ends up post-war even if you destroy every enemy fleet:

I swear they prob sink their own ships

[vapid pecan]

hungary✌️

[peak lance]

someone with access to the sea

[finite plume]

hungry 😋

[finite plume]

Hungary and Sea Access?

[vapid pecan]

hungary has a naval commander as its leader

[vapid pecan]

holy romanian

[sudden grotto]

Horthy?

[finite plume]

I wonder if most HOI4 players can even recognize/name African countries

[peak lance]

yeah no hungary doesn't have much dumb hoi4 playthrough potential

but romania navy

[misty fossil]

he stole all the italian ships

[vapid pecan]

other than those 2

no 3

[cedar latch]

Based

[misty fossil]

good, now lets take a look at your fleet

[finite plume]

PDX so inaccurate, don't realize these are Hungary's natural starting borders smh

[zinc light]

I'd say either Portugal or Canada, a country that is reasonably far away from any troubles

[peak lance]

I've done canada

[vapid pecan]

slovakia still not in it

unrealistic

!

[misty fossil]

yeah he just had his men snuck into italy, disassemble all the ships, transport them in trucks back to romania and reassemble them there

[finite plume]

Southern Slovakia is

[peak lance]

portugal only path is forming with brazil prove me wrong

[zinc light]

Do it afain

[vapid pecan]

not enough

duh

[peak lance]

omg yugoslavia navy

how did I not think of that

[finite plume]

Democracy Path

https://tenor.com/view/smart-monkey-listening-monkey-speech-bubble-dumb-lion-lion-yelling-gif-977388511909412427

[uneven portal]

I can

united kingdom

france

italy

[finite plume]

🥀

[uneven portal]

boom

ez

[sudden grotto]

With closed eyes fr fr

[sudden grotto]

You forgot belgium fr fr

[uneven portal]

oh right

yesyes

[sudden grotto]

Portugual dawg

[uneven portal]

favorite African country

[vapid pecan]

wheres italian east africa

smh

[peak lance]

no

[uneven portal]

no

[finite plume]

yes

[sudden grotto]

It aint a thing

[vapid pecan]

it is duh

[sudden grotto]

Nuh uh

[peak lance]

democracy is so boring in this game

[uneven portal]

Italy can't make Italian east africa, Ethiopia is a government in exile LMAOO

oh my god I hate when that happens bro

[peak lance]

1 day this game is gonna overtake tf2

[uneven portal]

erm wrong

it's gonna be 23.25 days

[peak lance]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[vapid pecan]

amazing event

[peak lance]

wtf are these mods

[potent zinc]

my first wc

[rustic furnace]

Bad, we need some peak like EaW in here

[patent thistle]

i actually have a "reactivate" button for those 2

since those were not yet scuttled

[fair horizon]

second world war btw (they took out the ottomans)

[patent thistle]

put all the stolen ships into there own fleet

[sudden grotto]

Schizo mods

[craggy dove]

which country best for uniting africa? ethiopia, congo or south africa?

[sudden grotto]

Ethiopia?

Tho Congo commie looks good too

[patent thistle]

ethiopa cause the others are weak af

[craggy dove]

thanks

[patent thistle]

congo has the limitation of its industrial tree being stuck with the belgian-congo joint focustree

and south africa aint even a debate

[honest glacier]

Is the dlc releasing in 2 days or is it just the trailer/announcement

[sudden grotto]

Just do the First ones which you require them?

I didnt have a prob with it

[sudden grotto]

Announcement

Ig

[patent thistle]

all ships truely build by me (-the 2 french ships which still somewhat deserve to exist)

nvm they nerfed them-

[fair horizon]

oh thats cool i like stuff like that

[sudden grotto]

Never Heard of hutten tbf

[patent thistle]

ye it was supposed to be the deutschland but i am guessing its because deutschland is already used by a panzerschiff it defaulted to hutten

guess i have to tell my friend about that too now ig :/

[sudden grotto]

I am Just getting H-class Battleship wiki

[patent thistle]

wait i actually need to tell my friend that it was scuttled already by that point

[fair horizon]

currently working on australian carriers

[sudden grotto]

Obv as i search them. Azur lane comes second

[patent thistle]

like i said i am guessing it defaulted to the name hutten

but i need to tell my buddy to have it just be the hannover now since the deutschland was already scuttled by that point

(the pre-dreadnought)

[misty fossil]

aussie ships go with RAN not RNS lol

royal navy ship?

[sudden grotto]

1 turrets ahh ship

[fair horizon]

commie aussie does RNS for some reason

[misty fossil]

Oh

if you wanna really play navy you should try vanilla navy rework

[fair horizon]

ew no

[misty fossil]

its such a quality mod

no?

[fair horizon]

default navy is fine

[misty fossil]

meh

[fair horizon]

its the only thing i really understand in hoi4

[paper echo]

BRO IT RUINED MY FLAG

[misty fossil]

vanilla navy rework has the same mechanics

it just delineates some of the loose ends of vanilla navay

[patent thistle]

also yes i made another panzerschiff

[misty fossil]

otherwise its the same thing

[fair horizon]

bro look at this pathetic ahh fleet

[patent thistle]

why do they have 2 battleships-

[fair horizon]

because i built 3 of them

[patent thistle]

i would sink it with like my shit fleet alone-

[fair horizon]

good luck

gonna have to torp it to kill it

that goes up to like 70-90 when you finish your naval mio and get it to level 5

[patent thistle]

ez

[fair horizon]

multiple torpedo tubes on a level 3 destroyer 🤮

[patent thistle]

like i said i did it to show how idiotic plan Z was

i would usally only do level 2 destroyers with maybe 1 tube and go with cruisers

"heavy" cruisers (cruisers with one heavy gun and a shit ton of secondary batteries)

and ofcourse.

[fair horizon]

i need more cruisers :/

went overboard with the capitals

[patent thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/bloons-aircraft-carrier-bloons-aircraft-carrier-btd6-btd6-aircraft-carrier-gif-10584801982732329043

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/akagi-azur-lane-my-beloved-meme-my-beloved-heart-gif-25042513

[patent thistle]

just get some shitty destroyers to fill up the ranks

[fair horizon]

you are a horrible person for reccomending i build destroyers

my ego cant take that kind of hit

nah but ill be pumping out screens once my carriers are done

[patent thistle]

that aint my fault then its yourself that refuses to make them

[fair horizon]

because they're so crapdsabgadskg

i hate when my fleet cant cover my own waters because one ship can barely move 10 feet into the water

[patent thistle]

no they arent try to hit a mosquito

or a horse fly

that attacks

[fair horizon]

also why does the ice carrier take so long to research?

like i already have to research 1940 carriers

then its like 1k days

and then it takes a ton of time to build

[uneven portal]

cus it's good

[fair horizon]

yeah but if i wasnt playing rt56 there would literally be zero reason to even try to pump one out

alright i change my mind on destroyers, 1940 is fine because it has 50 hp

[heavy vigil]

But it deals no damage

Youre making ships so they can die

Also no armor

Armor reduces damage dealt to you and if it goes unpierced its pretty good

[fair horizon]

yeah but i need them so i have enough screens for my big ships to not die

obv cruisers are better but i think i built too many big ships fast enough

[prisma burrow]

any ideas what mod to play?

[fair horizon]

rt56 is good so far

[vapid bough]

can i go in and send hitler a sketchy FREE LEBENSRAUM 100% GUARANTEED SATISFACTION link to take more of his comsumer goods?

Hitler already has -30% factory output from All Adults Serve, I want him to experience the joys of his factories basically being halved

[gilded vessel]

is this a good medium tank template in 1940 or should i remove some of the extra tanks and trucks to save equipment?

[sudden thistle]

Get flame/armoured suppourt

And do a 36w

[torpid dragon]

It's like the one I use

[gilded vessel]

yeah i was planning on i just have to do the researches and stuff

[patent thistle]

its actually 2/5s, -30-20+10

[gilded vessel]

so this excluding the support companies

[torpid dragon]

hard is very low

[heavy vigil]

Thats not how output works

[gilded vessel]

i dont think i really need that high hard attack in singleplayer

[heavy vigil]

With all adults hes losing out on like 2 conc techs or 3 disp techs

[patent thistle]

if i remembered correctly its factory effectiveness

[gilded vessel]

the enemy shouldnt have that many tanks to cover their frontline

[heavy vigil]

But its not at all half the output

[torpid dragon]

Oh Okk

[heavy vigil]

Its additive

50% isnt much later in the game

Because its already so bloated

Like it still hurts but is nowhere near half

[gilded vessel]

what amount of hard attack around 1940 is good in singleplayer for a medium tank template?

[patent thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

the moment you realise you tunnel visioned research for almost 1-2 years and now have industry 2 in 1940

[gilded vessel]

alright thanks

[heavy vigil]

I never forget research

[patent thistle]

i focus too much on navy and other stuff and sometimes just forget. 😭 💀

[gilded vessel]

i often times forget to research howitzers get flame companies and armored engineer and bassicaly all navy and air research + special forces

[heavy vigil]

As who

As italy and germany you get it through focus

Just research basic/improved mediums

[patent thistle]

i completly ignore special projects-

[gilded vessel]

bassicaly everyone except it happens more often as minors

[heavy vigil]

Then put it on your interwar tank or basic if youre producing those

[patent thistle]

MAYBE, get helicopters

[heavy vigil]

As minors use the AA line

You get autocannon II which is good for lights

And hc3 for heavies/amphib mediums

You wanna do amphtanks because theyre the best source of soft attack

But very lategame

[patent thistle]

.

[patent thistle]

i really do not take the meta seriously in Singleplayer

[tepid crown]

As you shouldn’t. Ai is bad enough as is

[patent thistle]

against ai you can basically use everything

[gilded vessel]

even infantry only

[heavy vigil]

But you can cyberbully the ai harder

I love cyberbullying ai (i stopped playing because the battleplan wasnt working anymore and i was lazy)

[little compass]

CAN WE STOP INTEGRATING DLCS INTO THE BASE GAME????

[heavy vigil]

Why

[gilded vessel]

is it even possible to beat the game using only 1 anti-tank in every single template you use?

[patent thistle]

ye i just have my fun with stupid designs like those crappy light cruisers i build 6 of because of the Plan Z having been stupid from the start

[little compass]

Because we paid for it???

[tepid crown]

L take

[heavy vigil]

Ok so now people get it for free?

[little compass]

Either give us our money back or give us the new dlc for free

[patent thistle]

L take even i bought DLCs and i am happy that now everyone can do navy greatly

[heavy vigil]

It isnt a giveaway

They just make it free for future players

Theyre not giving you money or anything

[craggy trail]

[heavy vigil]

And you know months ahead of time

[gilded vessel]

so you are mad that more people can play with better dlcs?

[heavy vigil]

Crabs in the bucket

[patent thistle]

ignore him he is one of the "oh only premiums can have fun" people

[gilded vessel]

yeah ig

[heavy vigil]

Crab mentality, also known as crab theory, crabs in a bucket mentality, or the crab-bucket effect, describes the mindset of people who try to prevent others from gaining a favorable position, even if attaining such position would not directly impact those trying to stop them. It is usually summarized with the phrase "If I can't have it, neither can you".

[gilded vessel]

he only really cares about his experience and is mad when other people get to also have a better experience

[little compass]

Or maybe I don't want the company to ask me for money for a product then just give it to everyone for free?

[heavy vigil]

.

[little compass]

I'd be fine if they gave us fair compensation

But they give us nothing

[urban ivy]

why

it s better

[little compass]

I just said why

[urban ivy]

they can start working on bug fixes

[gilded vessel]

you are still getting what you paid for just other people are also getting it

[urban ivy]

u wouldnt be complaining

[little compass]

I'm perfectly into giving players more features but you can't just screw everyone who paid for it

[urban ivy]

if u hadnt paid for it

[little compass]

Yeah no shit sherlock

[flat gazelle]

why does this happen in 1938 every time i go for the german empire lol

its on historical

[urban ivy]

most ppl

here

[little compass]

But I did

[urban ivy]

use

cracked dlcs

anyway

[patent thistle]

see it as a "early trial" i dont see many crying, like i bought it myself too and yet i aint complaining

[tepid crown]

You decided to buy it, not Pdx

[urban ivy]

so whats really

ur point

ppl already find ways to either buy dlcs from 3rd parties

[flat gazelle]

???

[urban ivy]

or to "crack" them

[flat gazelle]

thats such a stupid take

[little compass]

Thank you

[inland violet]

holy magyar

[urban ivy]

that s just... u re a hypocrite

[little compass]

Do u even know what the word hypocrite means buddy

[gilded vessel]

is it possible to do a world conquest using only this template or does the org make it impossible?

[patent thistle]

i bought the DLCs that are now intergrated, do you see me crying for compensation?

[little compass]

Either stop giving people free DLCS or compensate the people that did fairly

[little compass]

"Just because I do, it means everyone else doesn't" 🤓

[urban ivy]

always the double standard dudes

[flat gazelle]

no because you are paradox's lil bih

and you take it like a good boy

[little compass]

This

[flat gazelle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[craggy trail]

☕

[little compass]

Y'all be glazing paradox like crazy

[urban ivy]

bruh

it s like what

7 bucks

is it that much for u?

it s not even 1hr of work

[flat gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-terra-ust-message-money-gif-23530621

[heavy vigil]

Same i dont get why people get so mad

It feels so privileged

Like im poor 😭 idc

[little compass]

Yea it's "privileged" To ask for a company to not take my money

[tepid crown]

And being mad about integrating dlc is a good take? Y’all lost the plot

[flat gazelle]

brother what 😭 😭 😭

[little compass]

And give me nothing

[inland violet]

yeah prob

[patent thistle]

i am also broke

[flat gazelle]

we all died in 2020 and this is hell

[little compass]

2012

[heavy vigil]

Like you get to play the dlc for up to like 8 years

Early

[inland violet]

just add AA u be good

[flat gazelle]

yes paradox please take my money please

let me pay for another overpriced dlc

please

[heavy vigil]

And youre complaining because its now made free for others

And others dont have to buy it

And also it gives devs time to give you better new updates

I really dont get why youd be mad over that

[flat gazelle]

better new updates

[heavy vigil]

You dont lose anything

[safe wing]

Every company tbh

[flat gazelle]

you mean

overpriced slop dlcs

[safe wing]

20 usd is overpriced? Thats as much as a large McDonalds meal in my state

[heavy vigil]

Found the american

[flat gazelle]

where tf do you live that a mcdonalds meal is 20 usd

[little compass]

I'm complaining that they won't compensate us

[safe wing]

Vermont, we have tax laws

[flat gazelle]

anyways yeah 20usd for slop that is bugged is overpriced

[little compass]

Y'all are missing the plot

[inland violet]

holy broke

[safe wing]

I want to be compensated for loosing 3 years of my life we are not the same

[inland violet]

like dude

[little compass]

Not paradox's fault

[fair horizon]

bro evaporates the enemy fleet before the fighting even starts because of torps lmao

[safe wing]

Yeah its that private schools fault

[flat gazelle]

army of 15yo paradox warriors got summoned because someone doesnt want to lose his money 😭

im crying this is so pathetic

[safe wing]

24 years old

[flat gazelle]

on your knees protecting a company

[craggy trail]

People have always been buying DLCs knowing whether or not it'll be integrated into vanilla. 3 DLCs have now been integrated into hoi4 since the release of Trial of Allegiance. A $20 investment every few months is worth the savings.

[little compass]

Fr

[fair horizon]

a meal in my state (iowa) is over $10

[flat gazelle]

that exploits you at every possible point

[heavy vigil]

im 21

[safe wing]

And second become financially literate

[flat gazelle]

thats just sad

[safe wing]

Its not that hard

[gilded vessel]

You want compensation for getting a dlc early but paradox releasing it for free a few years later thats like you buying a game and then the devs release it for free and then you complain that we had to buy it and they didnt

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-pfp-gif-24100488

[flat gazelle]

24yo paradox gamer btw

[heavy vigil]

Bittersteel is like 30+

[misty fossil]

if you have to pay $20 for a maccas i think you should move elsewhere

[inland violet]

Ah yes so everyone who is not a neet loser is 15

[heavy vigil]

Dont start drama in the chat

[flat gazelle]

its his work tho

[heavy vigil]

Be chill

[little compass]

I didn't pay for the dlc for "early access" If I knew they'd go free, I wouldn't have paid for them. They never told us. They just woke up one day and decided to make dlcs free for no reason

[flat gazelle]

thats different

[safe wing]

So? Not as embarrassing as a weeb

[inland violet]

FINEHUUU

[misty fossil]

Hi 21 im dad

[safe wing]

I have good health insurance in my state

[misty fossil]

Oh

[heavy vigil]

If you wanna complain go to the paradox forums

Not this chat

Ty

[misty fossil]

i mean

[fair horizon]

you should be able to use your fleets with your voluenteers ngl

[craggy trail]

This ain't Valve Corporation where you get a compensation leeway for less than 2 hours of playtime or 14 days since purchase

[misty fossil]

all fun and games till they decline your case

cough cough unitedhealthcare

[safe wing]

Also 30 USD per hour at my current j*b

[little compass]

Mods when people talk about hoi4 in hoi4 general:

[heavy vigil]

?

The devs dont read this

[flat gazelle]

24yo censoring the word job 😭

[heavy vigil]

Youre causing drama and getting nothing out of it

[gilded vessel]

not everytime can the devs predict if they will be able to make a dlc go free or not and when alot of people have already bought it it would seem pointless

[misty fossil]

j*b

[little compass]

Cuz they read the forums

[heavy vigil]

Yeah they do

[safe wing]

Yeah because of how financially illiterate you are

[fair horizon]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[flat gazelle]

how does that correlate at all 😭

[misty fossil]

hoi4 discord war

[patent thistle]

and light ships are getting deleted by the light guns

[little compass]

Ok compensate us fairly then

[safe wing]

How much money do you make per hour

[spare laurel]

true

[inland violet]

tbf if i were paradox i would charge 100$ for Graveyard of Empires heh 😏

[fair horizon]

SKIBIDI

[flat gazelle]

once again, how does that corelate

[safe wing]

Because your a kid

[crystal marsh]

so yellow china is dead

[safe wing]

You don’t know how unfair the world is

[patent thistle]

.

[flat gazelle]

and you're a 24yo bum twerking for a corporation

[fair horizon]

people that refuse to answer that question are people without jobs ngl

[flat gazelle]

i think im in a better spot in life

[crystal marsh]

also, any ideas on who the beijing controller could be?

[inland violet]

OMG BRO YOU ARE NOT TUFF

[safe wing]

Lmao no

[misty fossil]

hes right though

thats just life

[safe wing]

Graduated highschool with a 3.8 gpa

[inland violet]

dammit

[flat gazelle]

forgive me for not having a job while still being in school

[fair horizon]

Casey can we goad the mods into smiting these nonbelievers?

[safe wing]

Buddy if I had my way you would be a vassal of me

[misty fossil]

just enable slowmode honestly

[gilded vessel]

just beacuse everyone wants compensation doesnt mean the studio can do it instead of compensating everyone they could have spent it on new updates and game improvements or sometimes the studio doesnt even have enough money to compensate them and giving a free dlc as compensation would just make the studio look more like a dlc cashgrab

[heavy vigil]

If they break any rules like the common sense, threats, being a general nuisance

[flat gazelle]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

brother what are you saying

[misty fossil]

casey! raise slowmode to 5 minutes please

[heavy vigil]

Im just telling them where to go if they wanna complain

[fair horizon]

i wanted to see smiting :(

[inland violet]

just live off EBT and food stamps we have a GREAT welfare here in the US

[flat gazelle]

" you would be a vassal of me" ts cant be serious

[misty fossil]

whats ebt

[safe wing]

Seriously man how old are you

Maybe you shouldn’t be using the internet

[misty fossil]

arguing over a nothingburger on discord isnt a good use of your time

[inland violet]

Your EBT card can be used to purchase eligible food items at Walmart, grocery stores, and other retailers that accept

[misty fossil]

bro just

[flat gazelle]

is your age like your main flex or sum

im 17

[misty fossil]

log off

hi 17

[flat gazelle]

and you're 24yo arguing with me on a hoi4 discord

[fair horizon]

and now it all makes sense

[inland violet]

free food

[gilded vessel]

tbf almost no one would buy it and you would actually make less money than if it was cheaper

[patent thistle]

i do infact still have school and have a job anyways. (parttime but still a job)

[misty fossil]

is it government issued

[safe wing]

I was working shitty intern jobs at 17

[flat gazelle]

feel bad for you man

[inland violet]

yuh

[safe wing]

And even as far back as 16

[misty fossil]

Oh

[safe wing]

Why 30USD

Per hour

[dry kayak]

Is there any huge difference between light and medium tanks in HoI4? i'm looking at the stats of the research area and it seems only a 10% difference between them

[misty fossil]

I dont have a job rn and im glad i dont, because im working 80 hours a week on my uni

[patent thistle]

yes

[safe wing]

Never going to college ever

[flat gazelle]

AND IT ALL MAKES SENSE

[safe wing]

Its such a waste

[misty fossil]

thats what they say

[patent thistle]

light tanks aint worth it anymore after maybe mid 1938

[safe wing]

Trade school exists dumbass

[inland violet]

just have rich and NOBLE parents like.... welll ME 🫅

[misty fossil]

i have to have a degree if i want to work as an architect bro

[safe wing]

And its worth it in the long run

[flat gazelle]

ofc the person who's only argument is having a job wouldnt like college

[little compass]

"Just because everyone wants compensation doesn't mean the studio can do it" Too bad. Don't make the dlc free then

Not my fault

[patent thistle]

except if you are doing the meme jet tank strat that is

[dry kayak]

okok thanks,

[sudden thistle]

Are u doing trade school instead of college?

[little compass]

@sudden thistle hi

[safe wing]

Why should I go to college and be 400k in debt

[sudden thistle]

https://skeptical.su/gifs/content/graaah.gif

[flat gazelle]

ah i forgot youre from the us nevermind

[safe wing]

When I can not be in debt and be in a tradeschool

[misty fossil]

my parents pay for my tuition

otherwise id be eating dirt

[little compass]

Bro has not heard of free education

[patent thistle]

atleast in germany i get that shit for free 🔥

[safe wing]

Nothing in this world is for free

Just higher taxes

[misty fossil]

real

and based

[little compass]

Oh no I have to give

10 bucks more per month to taxes

Oh no

[spiral eagle]

cope

[little compass]

It will surely be better to give thousands of bucks to the school directly instead!!

[misty fossil]

emotional support carrots

[flat gazelle]

american propaganda at its finest

[spiral eagle]

“socialist rat” 🥺

[fair horizon]

that things orange

[little compass]

@flat gazelle these r the kind of people that defend the dlc thing

[spice turtle]

carrotogatto

[flat gazelle]

ik

[misty fossil]

real

[gilded vessel]

making the dlc free will attract new players and make people like the studio more just beacuse a few outliers dont like it doesnt mean the studio shouldn't do it

[fair horizon]

boo hoo you lost out on a dlc you probably bought on sale for $14

[little compass]

Okay, give us compensation

[fair horizon]

get over it already

[flat gazelle]

now its a dlc

[safe wing]

Buddy i would watch your mouth because when your revoulhtion comes it will eat you moderates first

[misty fossil]

argument
look inside
name calling

[sudden thistle]

Bruh

[flat gazelle]

if they would make the whole game free with all its dlcs

would you like it?

[spiral eagle]

are people still whining about this

[flat gazelle]

without any warning or compensation

[safe wing]

Meanwhile im gonna be in the white army

[fair horizon]

of course

[little compass]

Lmao fr

[misty fossil]

yeah

[flat gazelle]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAN

[misty fossil]

i mean idc

[fair horizon]

ive bought all the dlcs and i really could care less if they did

[little compass]

Make the whole game free

[misty fossil]

money spent is money spent

[flat gazelle]

WHAT REVOLUTION 😭

[safe wing]

Dude the left is full of jackals

[little compass]

That will attract the most players

[misty fossil]

what am i supposed to do about it

[heavy vigil]

Refrain from using offensive language and keep politics out of this server.

[gilded vessel]

again they might not have enough to give compensation or they would need to release a new dlc which would just start the problem of being a dlc cashgrab all over again

[spiral eagle]

🙀 (i totally understood this‼️)

[safe wing]

Fine

[little compass]

Too bad, they should have thought about this before doing it. Give us compensation

They aren't a poor person

[gilded vessel]

that would severly lower the studios income making it unlikely for it to be able to pay their devs

[sudden thistle]

wtf does this mean

[little compass]

They are a multi million dollar company

[misty fossil]

oh no here we go again

[spiral eagle]

how old are you - realistically politics are for people aged 30+

[safe wing]

I made an oath to never be socalist or be a friend of socalisism

[fair horizon]

you're getting nothing bud, just deal with it and move on. its literally like $15

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[gilded vessel]

again when i say studios i dont mean paradox specificaly

[flat gazelle]

schizo 24yo arguing with the voices

[safe wing]

24 and I was wronged by a socalist private school

[little compass]

That's 3 days worth of work.

[heavy vigil]

Bring it up again and i will have to mute you.

[flat gazelle]

SOCIALIST PRIVATE SCHOOL?

[little compass]

Same goes for every studio

[fair horizon]

sorry but thats life

[little compass]

😭

[craggy trail]

I got level 10 planning skill on my generals

[safe wing]

Yes it was a shithole that abused me

[sudden thistle]

Big Al u aren’t helping with the argument

[spiral eagle]

socialist.. private school? i, as well as you, should be very grateful that your parents paid for your school bro stfu 😵

[safe wing]

Ik

[gilded vessel]

not every indie dev studio has millions of dollars

[misty fossil]

How

[little compass]

Paradox isn't an indie dev

[safe wing]

No it was awful they tried breaking me down

[spiral eagle]

well.. how?

[little compass]

And even then idc

[gilded vessel]

i am not talking about paradox in this example

[fair horizon]

bro what

[safe wing]

And molding me into a person into a person i didn’t want to be

[spiral eagle]

yeah explain, clearly they didn’t ‘mould’ you because you aren’t a socialist

[gilded vessel]

so you would rather the game getting no more updates than not getting a free dlc?

[misty fossil]

casey time to put slowmode on

[safe wing]

Like all my interests history, gaming were confiscated for 3 fing years

[sudden thistle]

Exactly

[fair horizon]

chat i build dockyards

[craggy trail]

Officer corps bonus to planning bonus upon levle up

[spiral eagle]

history.. is a subject at school..? did your school not even offer history?

[little compass]

Or yk. Don't make the dlc free, or make the next update free for everryone that bought the dlc

[tepid crown]

Build 100 more now

[little compass]

Y'all are forgetting the point

[heavy vigil]

Collective punishment is usually never the solution, these people need to de escalate and stop the conversation

[patent thistle]

YEAH, DONT THINK I NEED ANYMORE-

[fair horizon]

no building slots :(

[safe wing]

They did but, they wanted to remake into a better person

[fair horizon]

MORE

[sudden thistle]

I think he meant internet history?

[gilded vessel]

the only difference is one is needed for survival

[misty fossil]

You think they will?

[misty fossil]

you mean video games

jk

[safe wing]

They took my personal history books

[spiral eagle]

they wanted to make you into a better person and you’re angry about that..??

[little compass]

The issue isn't that they are giving content for free, it's that they are not compensating the people that paid money for said content @gilded vessel

[heavy vigil]

well thats their final warning or i will hand out mutes

[misty fossil]

real

[safe wing]

A better person to them

[misty fossil]

alr

[patent thistle]

the european coast about to be filled with dockyards-

[sudden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[fair horizon]

BASED

[spiral eagle]

what we’re you reading?

[fair horizon]

YOU WENT DEMOCRATIC GERMANY?!? 🤮

[misty fossil]

I think thats communist

[gilded vessel]

yeah i think so too

[misty fossil]

us media just wants to rile people up to get more ad revenue

[safe wing]

WWI and II stuff

[patent thistle]

atleast italy is useful for something ig

[flat gazelle]

"my interest is history" and its just ww2

[safe wing]

I have Rome books too dumbass

[misty fossil]

still history

[safe wing]

And medivial ones and dark age ones

[spiral eagle]

REAL

[misty fossil]

do you want him to learn about like the vienna congress of 1816?

or uh

[safe wing]

Nah how about Theodoric the Great

[misty fossil]

the fall of constantinople 1453

real

[safe wing]

Underrated king theodoric

[misty fossil]

why are we discriminating history now

[spiral eagle]

every hoi4 player says there interested in “history” but it’s just ww2, and if it isn’t just ww2 it’s always warfare history

[flat gazelle]

oh mb then

[fair horizon]

boat battles before ww1 were kinda suck

[flat gazelle]

"my interest is history" and its just ww2 and rome*

[misty fossil]

have you looked at ships of the line

um

[tepid crown]

Who cares

[flat gazelle]

hoi4 history fans when history involves something different than changing borders

[fair horizon]

boat battles before 1800 = marines fighting on the decks

[safe wing]

Do you play eu4

Or rome total war

Or medieval total war

[flat gazelle]

i did play eu4 yeah

[misty fossil]

the fighting itself sucked but they looked so great

[spiral eagle]

he goes: outside

[tepid crown]

He likes ww2 why do you care what history he likes

[flat gazelle]

its not that deep bro calm down

[fair horizon]

i mean i like what john paul jones did with the usa navy but meh

[safe wing]

Funny because Im gonna do the same in 34 minutes

[tepid crown]

I know. You’re acting like it is

[flat gazelle]

???

no you are

[spiral eagle]

@safe wing you’re like 24 what are you doing giving us a sob story in the hoi4 discord, don’t you have a job or something

[safe wing]

Because because I have to go to work

[tepid crown]

You commented on his history likes more than once

[misty fossil]

RAAAHHH I LOVE SAILING SHIPS

[safe wing]

Eh its more of a justification for me to hate marxism

But enough of that

[sudden thistle]

What’s wrong with that

[flat gazelle]

how are your private school schenanigans related to socialism/marxism

[misty fossil]

bro this just isnt the place for politics

[flat gazelle]

did i say its bad?

[spiral eagle]

i’m not political, and i don’t support marxism, but what don’t you like abt it, just out of curiosity. respond in my dms so we don’t get exterminated by the mods

[safe wing]

Because most of the teachers idolized marx and communism

[sudden thistle]

Basically

[flat gazelle]

private school is like the exact opposite of socialism/communism tho so i doubt it

[misty fossil]

there are a lot of subideologies to communism

[safe wing]

Did you go to it

[misty fossil]

its just

[safe wing]

Im well aware

[misty fossil]

so nuanced and stuff

[flat gazelle]

??

[slim nexus]

I still cant believe that i bought a dlc for no reason and im not getting any compensation whatsoever

[flat gazelle]

how does that matter

[gilded vessel]

huh? they were my puppet a second ago and now they are independent?

[spiral eagle]

exactly bro, my teachers last year were giving a speech on how it was bad that the left wing party got the most votes in my country 😭

[safe wing]

Because you weren’t there

[flat gazelle]

BRO

paid school

is

[misty fossil]

i grew up in a communist country tho (vietnam)

[flat gazelle]

like

by definition

not socialist

[slim nexus]

Heyuyyyy xoxo

[flat gazelle]

why do i have to be there

to say that

[safe wing]

No to understand it

[spiral eagle]

speaking of which, the left wing party in my country put a tax on private schools like what

[misty fossil]

why are we talking irl politics in hoi4 general

[safe wing]

Yeah im gonna stop

[spiral eagle]

what 😭

[ocean depot]

sb want 1v1?

[safe wing]

this is fkng pointless