hoi4-general

[grizzled zenith]

Mass assault right?

For guerilla warfare

[heavy vigil]

yeah is prob fine

[grizzled zenith]

And recruitable pop

[heavy vigil]

i was debating doing like MW LL

for fun

[grizzled zenith]

And inf buffs

[grizzled zenith]

I heard it sucks

[heavy vigil]

yeah

[grizzled zenith]

I just always use GBP left or like mass assault right if I really want to like defend as Finland

[zinc light]

i can finally beg for lend lease

ohmygod

[fickle thicket]

huh i heard free ship designer in the new update

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274052083397562409/1287044807520419892/PoPivu.gif

[untold ocean]

right so i bought man the guns a few weeks ago and now its becoming free? do i get the new dlc for free in return or have i been robbed?

[bronze mango]

https://tenor.com/view/capitalism-earth-explode-gif-17377217733961437072

[fickle thicket]

well time to study the hell outta meta builds

[brittle cypress]

Contact steam support and explain the situation

It is likely they will refund you

[untold ocean]

its been more than 14 days and ive definitely used the dlc for longer than 2 hours

im also not the only one who has this type of situation happening rn

[zinc light]

bruh

poland just accepted becoming habsburg

I can FINALLY call em into the war

[fickle thicket]

i need gotterdamerung i am dying trying to form austria hungary

[zinc light]

it's definetly my most favourite nation, no matter if as hungary or austria

[fickle thicket]

ive seen extensive playthroughs and it looks hella fun

[placid sleet]

trying to surround russia

just for lulz

[zinc light]

I shouldve done that focus a long time ago...

but then, they'd prolly have gotten overrun

with eastern germany gone I can comfortably call them in

greece also joined my faction when italy declared on em

now they're beating up bulgaria for me, and actually keeping italy at bay somehow

there's not a single scenario where italy doesnt mess up

[uneven portal]

Italy ai is just in a bad spot though

soo u can't really expect Italian ai to be competent

they're also fully encircled in Italian east africa

[zinc light]

Bro the Allies ain't even in this lmao

[honest vale]

how can i get infantry equipment fast? i wanna do early anschluss

[fickle thicket]

put all your mills on guns and piss out horses

[spice turtle]

does that still work?

i know the old cav into infantry thing to suck up all the guns

[fickle thicket]

ye

[split bane]

They might refund you if you explain the situation
But you can't do an automatic refund, only a manual one

[fickle thicket]

the earliest ive gotten it was aug 14

*to unlock the focus

ive seen way earlier but that requires dlcs i dont have

[spice turtle]

what year? not 36 surely?

[fickle thicket]

yes it was 36

[spice turtle]

damn with gotterdammerung too?

[fickle thicket]

**without gotterdamerung

cuz i dont got it

[spice turtle]

ohhhhhh well that makes more sense doesnt it lol

[fickle thicket]

lol

ive seen in a feedback vid in late march

[icy crescent]

I don't have an obsession, but I love allowing puppets forming their formables.
(Puppeted Libya as Italy and have them all stuff)
Forgot about Mali tho.

[spice turtle]

if you just completely rush guns and cav for anschluss you can get it very early

[fickle thicket]

yep

[fickle thicket]

mmm slight cancer, my favorite

[spice turtle]

mussolini used the sword of islam to form the maghreb lol

[icy crescent]

Because as Germany you can rage at Mussolini for being stupid.
And now Mussolini can rage at Maghreb.

🧠

[zinc light]

Ah yes, 5 frances

[spice turtle]

only 4 i think?

[zinc light]

Whats that lil thing between france and spain

I cant read, it's too blurry

[spice turtle]

basque country

navarra

etc

[zinc light]

Huh okay

[spice turtle]

they are a distinct region with their own language and culture

the only non indo-european language in western europe

[zinc light]

Interesting

[spice turtle]

very, look into it! and also the uralic languages of europe, hungarian finnish and estonian

[icy crescent]

Occitania because... I wanted Occitania.
Then France because there was still France left.
And the last bit France to not interfere with Germany's goals too much.

[zinc light]

Oh I know about those

[icy crescent]

Last bit will be tricky.
My goal is Greater Italy.
But need Greeece and part of Switzerland.
Won't happen without the Allies.

[placid sleet]

nearly linked up

[spice turtle]

if you havent taken out the uk bfore the usa joins you're already done

[spice turtle]

were you the poland guy that was encirling russia?

[placid sleet]

i'm tannu tuva

helping poland

[slim nexus]

Guys the sumud flotilla is being attacked rn

[placid sleet]

with volunteers

[spice turtle]

ahh i see lol

[spice turtle]

the what?

[slim nexus]

Global sumud flotilla, the humanitarian operation with boats that are trying to bring aid to gaza

[spice turtle]

ohh i see, well yeah of course they're being attacked it's israel we're talking about here

[icy crescent]

Yeah, working on it.

[placid sleet]

got the linkup

now all of the ruskies are trapped

[spice turtle]

good stuff lol

[noble turtle]

help，l was loading RON and it stacked, no progress any more

[safe wing]

this isn't rise of nations

[supple gulch]

¿

Sounds more like

Fall of the nation

[ancient marsh]

round 2

[safe wing]

Carlist Spain I see

[ancient marsh]

total uk destruction incoming 🚨

[noble turtle]

？
But... I didn't send any picture?

[ancient marsh]

im getting really good at the scw

maybe worth speedrunning 🤔

[heavy vigil]

i did a thing

[ancient marsh]

oh paraguay is no bolivia

paraguay is actually pretty busted

you have a focus that gives you like 300k mp over a year or smthn

[icy crescent]

Mils in not passable area.

[noble turtle]

Once this start it stop for ever

[icy crescent]

Imagine wandering thirsty through the desert.
You finally find a building in hopes of water.
"Best we can do is gun."

[terse prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/russian-badger-gif-27547005

[indigo brook]

No lmfao

Paradox says screw you

And u dont get anything

[noble turtle]

any body can help me?

[bright matrix]

Is line artillery useless?

[safe wing]

well are you playing sp or mp

its only not useless in sp because anything works against the AI really

but in MP and in general yeah it useless

[night lintel]

i love this

[inner ocean]

Holy shi

RIP PTDO navy

[trim pike]

Why so many pings

[inner ocean]

They have a huge navy I think and I have a massive airforce

[noble turtle]

bro have yj21☠️

[night lintel]

the hell is greece doing there

[safe wing]

Looks more like far right austrialia

But could be Greece

[inner ocean]

Those are the Aussies

[safe wing]

I’m was correct

[inner ocean]

yep, never seen them go far right in this mod

[safe wing]

That was the flag of the far right Australia center party

[inner ocean]

In anycase the aussies have to worry about the dongfeng missles currently raining hell on their cities

[night lintel]

yeah i forgot that one australian ethno nationalist flag

[noble turtle]

bro how do you know the full name of Chinese missile

[inner ocean]

Because Chinese missiles are cool

[noble turtle]

你不能是中国人吧

Ah never mind

[inner ocean]

oh shi sorry didnt see, but nah I am American

I honestly only know of them through the news as they were speculated to be delivered to Iran during the war last summer but I dont think any of them were ever shipped

[noble turtle]

wait？ Iran?

[hybrid galleon]

Solid 200 Reddit Karma right there

[modest coyote]

poland's getting their revenge

[hybrid galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[noble turtle]

wonder who are you

[inner ocean]

Yea during the Iran-Israel war it was speculated that China would back Iran by western sources since Iran makes up a decent chunk of Chinese oil imports

[modest coyote]

im the congo 😭

[hybrid galleon]

Also what is that Turkish borders

[modest coyote]

idk post ww2 peace conference border gore

[noble turtle]

？

that colony of France?

[hybrid galleon]

Belgium

[modest coyote]

no the belgian congo

[noble turtle]

Oh l see

[cosmic compass]

Anybody got a server I can join

[pearl jackal]

bruh the only dlc i have is getting integrated 😭

i wasted my money :/

[noble turtle]

this？

[modest coyote]

yeah

[hybrid galleon]

Which one?

[hybrid galleon]

Indeed

[pearl jackal]

Man the guns

[hybrid galleon]

lol that’s why I do the subscription

[noble turtle]

（launghing）

[pearl jackal]

bruh

whatever i bought it for like $4.50

[icy crescent]

Idc about it.
It was like 5€ last sale I believe.

[hybrid galleon]

Oh damn not bad

[icy crescent]

Happy for the new players.

[noble turtle]

the one can design ships？

[pearl jackal]

ye

[noble turtle]

wooo！

I want that but l didn't buy it!

[pearl jackal]

.

[noble turtle]

Yeah!!!!!!!

[pearl jackal]

ok

[sudden falcon]

is it possible for germany to go any other path than historical when i play poland

[icy crescent]

Now new players can experience the horror of designing ships.

[pearl jackal]

yeah

[pearl jackal]

true

ig

idk

[sudden falcon]

6 runs on non historical and they remilitarize the rhineland every time

[noble turtle]

@pearl jackal wait, diu lei lou mou?

[pearl jackal]

just put them on a specific path

[pearl jackal]

e

[icy crescent]

Bad RNG it seems.

[noble turtle]

@pearl jackal do you live in Hong Kong?

[pearl jackal]

i come from hk

read my bio

[icy crescent]

The AI tries to somewhat counterbalance player decisions.
If you go off-script, the AI acts to it a little.
But it's not very consistent.

[noble turtle]

then，do you speak kuangtongnese?

[pearl jackal]

ye

[noble turtle]

OK, diu lei lou mou

[pearl jackal]

.

ok

[noble turtle]

(

[trim pike]

💀

[inner ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/china-flag-gif-9954438

[noble turtle]

I just realized what this means

[sudden falcon]

why doesnt this include austria

[pearl jackal]

?

[inner ocean]

Tokyo in flames

[pearl jackal]

idk maybe u dont have götterdämmerung

[trim falcon]

Games cooked tbh Spain’s missing aswell

[noble turtle]

like，my English not as good as my Chinese, so sometimes my reactions are slow

[pearl jackal]

oh

ok

[next shadow]

Yo guys do you think they should add hoi4 to console

[sudden falcon]

i do

[pearl jackal]

hmm idk

its being weird ig

[trim falcon]

Quit achievements while you can there just cancer

[noble turtle]

maybe

depends on how it's like

[next shadow]

I think the ps5 and Xbox X can run it specially if a £200 laptop can run it

[noble turtle]

Wait, imagine you play in English so these Chinese have to write the report in English

[inner ocean]

that would be crazy

holy Korea spam

[heavy vigil]

good generals

no adaptable on them yet tho

[inner ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/zhukov-gif-20082782

[split bane]

Prob wasn't updated for GDR

[inner ocean]

Average PLA general

[heavy vigil]

im playing paraguay not china smh

[inner ocean]

Tbh tho China hasnt really been in any wars so they start off with shit generals in the mod, this is the results of 10 years of proxy wars

I sent them to anywhere from Gaza to the American peoples liberation army during the second civil war, probably over 15 conflicts my generals have fought in

LOL

WHAT HAVE I BEEN DOING

I DIDNT KNOW HES A FIELD MARSHAL

[sudden falcon]

time to shoot myself

[desert pollen]

can someone explain this in hoi4 terms

[inner ocean]

Wasssup Bejing

Inshallah he will be the Chinese Caesar as he conquers Japan

[noble turtle]

When l playing the normal communist China l was like: lier, you know everything (~ allowtraits)

[green magnet]

is there a way i can turn off autosave?

[noble turtle]

ofcourse

first press esc and click options

[inner ocean]

yea I can never help myself but use the command lol

[green magnet]

okay

is it the interval?

[noble turtle]

hold on a second

[noble turtle]

just like what l said，i need to check the menu

Sorry

[inner ocean]

American Communist, North Koreans, Pakistanis, and Chinese pushing deep into Japan, what a motely band

God, this war is more like a Turkey shoot!

[dusky burrow]

what do you mean Chicago is controlled by some Kaiserreich larpers?!

source: https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/1notxgt/the_2nd_american_civil_war_and_its_many_smaller/#lightbox

[ancient marsh]

ughhhh

[heavy vigil]

Dont post modern politicians #server-rules

[ancient marsh]

they just wont move out of the damn channel

[dusky burrow]

Wait you aren't contesting the English Channel at all

You should probably fix that

[ancient marsh]

i get barely 20%

theyre just perpetually keeping half their navy there

ai being smart 🤦

[dusky burrow]

Ah I see

[green magnet]

how can i win this

i always struggle

[ancient marsh]

guess it doesnt matter if i did land lool

[ancient marsh]

cant just fl the gcw anymore

[brisk veldt]

dont rush

[ancient marsh]

put all the shitty landstrumms on entire frontline and put your good proper divs on the border with thuringia

push into thuringia, then take out bavaria and try to hold the northern frontline

[dusky burrow]

Yeah you need better marines

What do your marines look like

[heavy vigil]

reinforce rate :3

[ancient marsh]

then turn everyone north and micro/frontline the north

ideally rush your good divs to berlin and then split them off to vps from there

and ideally youre done by april-may-june

[dusky burrow]

oh my

[ancient marsh]

the marines are good i just

cant make enough

[dusky burrow]

Show template

Of marines and infantry

[ancient marsh]

infantry is just a 7/1 lool it was primarily meant to hold but i couldnt get any more than 2 marines out

[dusky burrow]

What are the marines then

[dusky burrow]

(there's a trick to get more cap btw)

[heavy vigil]

Bad

And do your SF doctrines

[ancient marsh]

i dont have the resources to make anything better than that

im the carlists

[heavy vigil]

And doctrines in general

[ancient marsh]

i do

[heavy vigil]

Use attache button on china

Free xp

[ancient marsh]

like im not THAT dense

[green magnet]

holon im cooking

[ancient marsh]

i shouldnt even need more than this

[heavy vigil]

Thats basically no doctrine lol

[ancient marsh]

whats the trick to increase sf cap

[heavy vigil]

Wrong mountaineer side too 💔

[heavy vigil]

Have more batallions deployed

[ancient marsh]

figures

[dusky burrow]

Spam a bunch of 2-widths, convert them to 50-widths, convert those to special forces, delete the ones you can't use

[ancient marsh]

im gonna pick the side that benefits me more 💔

[heavy vigil]

Yeah so the left side at the end there

[ancient marsh]

i havent finished and yes the left side is better

[dusky burrow]

I assume this guy basically has no manpower and that's why they're sucking rn

[sudden falcon]

we can split our differences aside germany

[ancient marsh]

i have 800k

[dusky burrow]

Oh nvm

But make sure to unlock flame tanks right

[heavy vigil]

Guh

[ancient marsh]

yea bro its chill ill just restart and do my 4th carlist game in a row only to lose to uk not moving tf out of the channel

[heavy vigil]

I wasted like 100 days of tech because i cant read

[ancient marsh]

i HAVE no industry to make sps 😢

[dusky burrow]

15 tanks per div * 5 ic per tank = 75 ic per division

[heavy vigil]

You can make a land facility before the scw starts

[dusky burrow]

So it's quite cheap for additional amphibious stats

[heavy vigil]

In your territory

[ancient marsh]

when i tried that barely any progress was made

but i start with agency

so i guess ill try that

[brisk veldt]

guys. whats the point of navy as germany if the uk randomly stops all of its navy in the english channel

[heavy vigil]

Well then dont

Thats construction youre losing out on

[ancient marsh]

its spain 🤷 its not exactly a regular start

[brisk veldt]

navy is a really complex mechanic with little reward

[ancient marsh]

LOL

[dusky burrow]

Flame tanks gives 10%, flame tanks gives 15%, thus you mitigate 25% of 50% amphbious penalty on normal inf

[ancient marsh]

you cant say crypt... in this server

fair enough

the CRYPTOLOGY.

for invading uk

[brittle cypress]

crypt

[sudden falcon]

to kill the fleet that convoy raids your supply

[brittle cypress]

i just said crypt

[ancient marsh]

you did

[dusky burrow]

Also you might also be able to get adaptable in the Spanish Civil War

[ancient marsh]

ik how to do spanish civil war and im good at that universally

you can but

[brisk veldt]

but trade with WHO most of the world has already embragoed you.

[ancient marsh]

its not really worth it because youre recovering industry later

since you have to reintegrate all your non-starting states

the later you end the civil war the longer itll take to do that

[brisk veldt]

also if ur so late to invading the uk tha you worry about ur recources then it wouldnot be a good walk through\

[ancient marsh]

the only side you can grind adaptable off of is probably the republicans (d)?

[brisk veldt]

on ALL of our lives NOONE uses navy here

[ancient marsh]

but even then why are you playing the democratic republicans if you arent speedrunning the cw

[dusky burrow]

I micro navy

Sometimes

[ancient marsh]

carlist spain isnt even hard its just

the longest to finish

[brisk veldt]

micro navy??? wth even is that

[ancient marsh]

takes till like december 37

[ancient marsh]

engage by tile

do shore bombardments

[brisk veldt]

i thought you gotta patrol then wait till the navy takes of from the port

as in strike force

[ancient marsh]

you can move your fleet around by tile

manually click

[dusky burrow]

^

admittingly it's only situationally useful

[brisk veldt]

ik but shouldnot you get intel by patrol first

[ancient marsh]

idk how navy works i just know you can do that

[brisk veldt]

and wouldnot the ships run out of fuel

[sudden falcon]

your TROOPS who need AMMUNITION and FOOD when you naval invade the british across a SEA

[misty fossil]

me when people actively refuse to learn navy even though its literally as easy as second grade maths

why are you like this?

[sudden falcon]

its still not that easy

[misty fossil]

oh my god

[ancient marsh]

because paradox made deathstacking your fleet a valid option

lol

[brisk veldt]

yeah

[sudden falcon]

i dont want to learn navy metas when deathstacking gets removed

[misty fossil]

they should then

[ancient marsh]

why would i learn navy when for the last 2 dlcs i thought it was gonna get changed (im right this time) and i can instead just deathstack

learning navy and how to design ships just doesnt pay off

[brisk veldt]

ik navy. just saying its useless sometimes

[ancient marsh]

ships take eons to build unless you entirely focus on dockyard output modifiers

[misty fossil]

to be honest

its not

useless

[ancient marsh]

its not USELESS but

there are only so many islands

[misty fossil]

play with mods

well you need to get to japan as the us and vice versa

[ancient marsh]

and as usa you can just deathstack

[brisk veldt]

YEAH. hoi4 is a ww2 game only by the time i get a good navy i better have won the soviet union already

[ancient marsh]

usa and japan are the only countries i actually design ships and build a navy

[misty fossil]

but still see it as something you can enjoy instead of strictly a necessity

[ancient marsh]

because usa and japan are the only ones you can build a navy and have usage out of it

[misty fossil]

its kinda like doing encirclements, its not necessary but its eye watering

[ancient marsh]

encirclements but like

[misty fossil]

the uk

[ancient marsh]

really lame

and the enemy can still get out of it

[misty fossil]

“Really lame”

[ancient marsh]

ship models are too small

boring anims

let me see big ass ships getting truly sunk

[brisk veldt]

i get fatigue whenever i manage navy. the system is like something out of hoi3

air and land is simpler

[misty fossil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/826464137114681404/1419956064836780065/image.png?ex=68d44d63&is=68d2fbe3&hm=170c0f402dbe313efc3645b4f084e521d9ada85227f45f38e7521aa375932179&

“really lame”

[misty fossil]

air is worse

[dusky burrow]

Deathstacky though

[misty fossil]

air management is the worst

[ancient marsh]

plus the naval ui looks like it was out of hoi3 and a nascar driver's seat at the same time

[sudden falcon]

it kinda is

[ancient marsh]

insanely cluttered

[misty fossil]

my other fleet joined for some reason; yes it was simply not needed

[brisk veldt]

huh? theres barely any factors. just supply and range

[misty fossil]

it was the uk that tried to deathstack

[sudden falcon]

especially since assigning airwings to armies puts them in the airport FURTHEST away from the airzone the army is in

[brisk veldt]

this is what im saying as well

[misty fossil]

have you ever had to manually assign air wings across a continent as your army pushed forward

[ancient marsh]

navy just aint important with how underrepresented other mechanics are

[ancient marsh]

you know you can assign air wings to specific armies right

they'll automatically follow them

[misty fossil]

Exactly

Thats my point

[brisk veldt]

small fighter plane+ 2 extra fuel tanks for 2 ic = good range

[ancient marsh]

that its...more tedious to micro if you make it more tedious?

i can say the same thing about manually moving your navy by tile instead of just clicking sea zones lol

[brisk veldt]

man i never assign my wings to armies. i feel like im missing on a lot

[misty fossil]

not really

[brisk veldt]

HOW are you guys struggling with range

[ancient marsh]

i only do it sometimes and only for tank divs

[brisk veldt]

a single fuel tank is only ONE ic and its 50% more range

[ancient marsh]

weight

can be a factor

[brisk veldt]

also CAS can give you 30% buffs in combat. compare that to navy

[misty fossil]

think of it as having to fight an ai air deathstack and you have to continually move your planes forward because air wing army assignment would put the planes everywhere

you get it

[ancient marsh]

either way air pays off more than navy lol

so its a valid trade

in attentiveness

[misty fossil]

germany has 8000 planes over alsace lorraine and your planes keep going to the alps

idk then i love navy

[brisk veldt]

you would have to get the best engine for speed anyway so weight aint much of a problem

[ancient marsh]

u can love navy

doesnt mean that navy is easy to understand or practically effective

both reasons are why people dont learn it

maybe hoi4 should strengthen the value of production, civilian industry, and trade

so if you get blockaded it actually matters and your convoys cant wrap around england and go wherever

[brisk veldt]

the ui of navy is the biggest reason behind all this navy is hard drama

[misty fossil]

not sure why some ships take so long to build tbh

[dusky burrow]

Next time you naval invade you can consolidate your units into something like this

[ancient marsh]

wtf am i looking at

[misty fossil]

having to spend 4 years to build a shbb in a game that effectively lasts 8 is funny

[ancient marsh]

i CANNOT afford that

[misty fossil]

36w tank and mech

[dusky burrow]

Of course hardly ideal not to have proper special forces for a naval invasion, but well doesn't seem like you can access enough special forces

[dusky burrow]

Not tank and mech it's 36w infantry

[misty fossil]

i use 9 amphib tanks and 9 amtracs

[ancient marsh]

i already dropped that game

[misty fossil]

oh

[ancient marsh]

usa was gonna join allies

[brisk veldt]

its realstic because these stuff are so big. idk why the max dockyards for capitals is like 5 tho

[ancient marsh]

58w 💀

ill just prep special forces...

[misty fossil]

Real

[dusky burrow]

Ik know offensive infantry doesn't make much sense in gbp but you take what you can get

[ancient marsh]

yo ill just

[sudden falcon]

3 years for one battleship that'll be outdated by the time its finished

[ancient marsh]

prep speical forces...

58w is scary

[brisk veldt]

whats the best combat width. i just cut it to 20 or push it to 40

[dusky burrow]

You needed to focus your efforts on a much much smaller portion of the front @ancient marsh

[dusky burrow]

Not really

Just reinforce meme it out of position

[ancient marsh]

by 1941 the uk already has well over 100 divs across the isles

[misty fossil]

How it feels to use 14/4 in 2025

[ancient marsh]

if i didnt consolidate a lrager space theyd maul me

and just rail me out of the isles

i just need to land earlier and

actually have sf ready

[dusky burrow]

Defensive units typically stick between 14 and 18, offensive units are typically around 32-36

[dusky burrow]

Well if you don't land then you're screwed either way

[misty fossil]

32 so you can fit into mountains

36 is best for offensives anywhere

[brisk veldt]

why tho. some one told me either 20 or 40 because attacking from 2 direcrtions adds 40 max combat with

width

[dusky burrow]

The real most difficult thing about invading Britain is keeping a foothold while you're on there

[misty fossil]

they’re wrong

[ancient marsh]

exactly

[ancient marsh]

real answer is it depends on how much equipment you have

[misty fossil]

you can follow our advice and see it for yourself

[ancient marsh]

better less divisions than more unsupplied divisions

[dusky burrow]

And for that you're sort of stuck if you don't have air supply or a navy capable of escorting convoys

[misty fossil]

click on the combat window and read the tooltip

[dusky burrow]

Because then your units will run out of supply, and that seems to be mistake #1 from what I've seen

[ancient marsh]

as spain i

[misty fossil]

s pain

[ancient marsh]

im forced to either invest in tanks and sf or air

[dusky burrow]

Yeah you will have to rely on Germany to do part of it

[ancient marsh]

yeah they dont do that

ever

cause its the ai

and the german ai

most selfish bastards

[dusky burrow]

Base combat width is 50, 60, 70, and 80

Add 25/30/35/40

And then you can exceed combat with by 33%

So really our limits are 66.5, 79.8, 93.1, and 106.4

[brisk veldt]

whats an underrated mechanic yall use that people ignore

[ancient marsh]

cryptology

[brisk veldt]

yeah

[ancient marsh]

agencies as a whole, actually

[brisk veldt]

and collab govs

collab govs is buffed

[ancient marsh]

they should do more but army intel collab govs and cryptology are plenty good

[brisk veldt]

yeah

[dusky burrow]

Naval bombardment, hold your fleet next to a province you want to take/defend and then it will provide debuffs to the enemy

This is especially useful in D-Day situations, and it is pretty low risk from what I've seen

[brisk veldt]

i do it to china as japan and annex the whole thing and the man power be like "you get accses to 0.003% of china man power which is 27.4M"

[dusky burrow]

I don't think the AI responds adequately if your ships are on a hold mission

[dusky burrow]

China

[ancient marsh]

what are we on abt 💔

wait im building in catalonia

STILL hold on let me do maths

i wouldnt finish it before anyway

[dusky burrow]

Yeah don't build in Catalonia as the Carlists 💀

[ancient marsh]

catalonia is your base of support

[dusky burrow]

Infrastructure also doesn't affect land warfare facility construction speed

[ancient marsh]

i forgot it has autonomous state though

[brisk veldt]

am i the only one who never gets to 1945 because of lag

i really want a hoi5

[heavy vigil]

Build in a non auto state

[ancient marsh]

Yes

I noticed

[brisk veldt]

with another engine other than clausewitz

[heavy vigil]

You can sell planes

[ancient marsh]

still it

[heavy vigil]

For IC

[ancient marsh]

wouldnt finish

[heavy vigil]

And sometimes get trade

You have like 6 months

[dusky burrow]

I imagine as the Carlists you would want to build in Navarra

[heavy vigil]

Thats basically forever

[inner ocean]

India got the Russia treatment from TNO

[ancient marsh]

as any of the right wing sides you take eastern aragon and catalonia

[inner ocean]

(they lost 3 million in the war and every city was bombed to rubble)

[ancient marsh]

most industry + you can expand your starting position there

[brisk veldt]

is the fire rises so complicated like millenuim dawn

[dusky burrow]

Then Eastern Aragon

[still loom]

Desperate defense be like

[inner ocean]

complete opposite in my opinion

MD is hard ast

asf*

[brisk veldt]

cool. i never got a modern day mod without it feeling like running an actual economy

[inner ocean]

Yea MD is like that whereas TFR you can just spam office parks and have a good GDP

[dusky burrow]

Try also to get the Western Aragon supply hub since facilities take supply

[dusky burrow]

120 trillion

[inner ocean]

Yes, this is the Chinese century

Also ive been mining astroids

so it grants a huge income boost

[dusky burrow]

I see

[inner ocean]

America became communist and somehow that fixed their economy

[sudden falcon]

everytime i try to split off my submariens from my fleet the automatic reinforcement turns on and they go back in?

[dusky burrow]

At this rate I can't disagree, not in that communist economic policies are good but that they'd probably be better than what the US had before the civil war

And then the civil war happened

[inner ocean]

"A Tiger Can't Defeat a Dragon" goes so hard

[inner ocean]

yes, especially re-industrialization of the steel belt and expansion of public transpo

its the Aussies turn 😈

[upbeat wigeon]

How much does going down the Trotsky route as the Soviet Union affect the timing of buildup?

Buildup meaning how long you build civs, when you start building mils etc.

[sudden falcon]

free propaganda

i now have tanks and artillery in my paratroopers

[dusky burrow]

Good luck keeping Berlin

[ancient marsh]

i might lose cause i was winning too hard

[sudden falcon]

i took it 2 days after the paratrooper died

so how am i supposed to gain democracy support without a democratic demogague

[torn remnant]

Guys anyone have experience early warring Germany and allies as Soviet union(historical)

[dusky burrow]

what happneed here 💀

[torn remnant]

I end up capitulating France Germany Poland and UK but by that time British Raj is a major and I can’t cap them

[brittle cypress]

you can't cap india?

[torn remnant]

Yeah

I’m a noob

[brittle cypress]

how are you capping everyone else but not india

[torn remnant]

Cuz I try to invade them through Afghanistan

Then my troops are bogged down into insane attrition and low supply

[brittle cypress]

what year is it when you try to get india

[torn remnant]

40

[brittle cypress]

oh wait they're probably a major cause you killed the rest of them?

[torn remnant]

I prolly delayed invading UK too long

Yes

[brittle cypress]

idk how it works honestly

[torn remnant]

So what I did was justify on Poland immediately as soviets

Conquerer then and justify Germany

Then Italy joins them cuz world tension

So I cap Germany but can’t get to Italy

Then I invade France Benelux region and UK but by the time I get air superiority over UK it’s like 1940

[sudden falcon]

i think i just killed the entire italian army

[torn remnant]

Bard

Based

[torn remnant]

Also I end up fighting a grinding war with Italy

Cuz mountains

Can’t naval invade either cuz by that time Italian navy is so good

[meager valley]

Average HOI4 game

Turns out a gazillion 2 combat width militia aren’t effective

[sudden falcon]

why is my new capital in krakow

[ancient marsh]

i got carried away and accidentally capped the republicans before flipping carlist

uh i won faster anyway though

[dusky burrow]

Seems like the Nationalists didn't have units to cover themselves

[ancient marsh]

they did, i just had to pin them all and sinpe madrid

[meager valley]

If you puppet Portugal before doing the focus to annex them, you can form Iberia

Worth

[ancient marsh]

this is falange path

[meager valley]

Color, name and flag changes

[meager valley]

Rip

[ancient marsh]

carlist path has literally nothing lol

[meager valley]

Is Falange the one with the Spanish empire end goal?

[ancient marsh]

you get crusade against democracy which gets insane but

thats it

[ancient marsh]

yes

[meager valley]

Except Iberia formable and +.05 daily compliance, along with OP attack buffs

[sudden falcon]

i actually dont wanna cap them cuz i cant puppet countries for some reason anymore and i want my italian puppet

[meager valley]

The compliance is strong idk

[torn remnant]

Has anyone done Soviet world conquest speedrun

[ancient marsh]

you get 1 good advisor and crusade against democracy* true

[torn remnant]

But historical

[meager valley]

I prefer Falange just bc end goal better. But Carlism is very strong. That compliance buff really helps incorporate new lands

[ancient marsh]

but uh you get like 3 economic focuses

[sudden falcon]

360 thousand enemy guns have been lost

[ancient marsh]

0 diplomatic annexations

[meager valley]

Who needs economic focuses when all your occupied territory has max compliance

[ancient marsh]

spain

[meager valley]

Can annex Portugal technically

[ancient marsh]

because you have no industry

[sudden falcon]

spain doesnt even get cores on their own land

[ancient marsh]

and your still reintegrating your own land

[meager valley]

Spain isn’t about what it has but what you can conquer

[ancient marsh]

till early 39

[ancient marsh]

as the carlists ur not conquering much cause you emerge from the civil war the weakest

[meager valley]

And Carlist is the best at conquering bc Compliance gain buff

[ancient marsh]

only good thing is that you can integrate your own cores back faster

cause of the compliance advisor

[meager valley]

Weakest how? Crusade against democracy is cracked

[sudden falcon]

guys

[ancient marsh]

its cracked but it takes over a year to max out

[sudden falcon]

1 italian calvary division just naval invaded la spezia

[meager valley]

Yeah but when you get that and form Iberia you’re pretty strong

[ancient marsh]

and you cant do them in succession

[ancient marsh]

cant form iberia

[sudden falcon]

i killed 70 italian divisions

[meager valley]

I always just focus France then Spain and eventually take over Europe

[ancient marsh]

can only puppet portugal

[meager valley]

You can through a focus

[ancient marsh]

🚫

[meager valley]

If you puppet Portugal before the focus, it has a 100% chance to core all their cores and form Iberia. It is technically a formable

Like it’s listed as a formable on the wiki

[ancient marsh]

you cant puppet portugal before the focus because you cant justify a prior wargoal on portugal

i think your thinking of the falangists

carlists are non aliged

aligned

[meager valley]

No, you can justify on Portugal, fight them conventionally, puppet them then core them via the focus that would puppet them

[ancient marsh]

monarchist

[meager valley]

I’ve literally done this like 6 times I like Carlist Spain 😂

It’s always my go to Strat after the civil war

[sudden falcon]

italians will get mad the duce doesnt build 2 fuel silos but wont do anything when the italians have been pushed down to sicily

[ancient marsh]

not sure how you can do this after the cw

[meager valley]

I’ll send a screenshot one sec

The focus that lets you puppet Portugal basically acts as an annex/unification focus if you already puppet them

If Portugal cores Brazil, you also core Brazil

[ancient marsh]

restore the iberian union

[ancient marsh]

is this the focus you mean

[meager valley]

What it looks like if you puppet them before

[ancient marsh]

how are they being puppeted before is my question

[meager valley]

Now I’ll show it’s after effect

[ancient marsh]

unless your justifying in like 1940

[meager valley]

Justify, invade, beach puppet

[ancient marsh]

and by that point the world tension will make them join the allies

[ancient marsh]

im not

doubting the event itself

ik it exists

how are you invading portugal instead of them accepting the union though

are you just altf4ing and then reloading save to get the yes roll?

[ancient marsh]

like what year is this

[meager valley]

Like I said you justify. Obviously harder on historical bc allies, but most of the time on alt history no one cares if you invade

Out of the 6 times I did it, they joined allies once

[ancient marsh]

what year

[meager valley]

Earliest possible is like 1939 but usually 1940

[ancient marsh]

atp i can just get war reps and resource rights

[sudden falcon]

so how am i supoosed to get democracy support without a democrat demagogue

[ancient marsh]

focuses, decisions or you dont

[meager valley]

Takes till 1939 normally anyways to core your own territory

[ancient marsh]

anything but play on non hist

megafactions become even worse

[meager valley]

Thank god the next expansion is fixing that

[sudden falcon]

ok so i just played to 1942 to not get an achievement

[meager valley]

This strat will work even better 😤

[sudden falcon]

unless i fight the allies who have stalin churchill and roosevelt

[ancient marsh]

welcome to ironman mode

[meager valley]

Ngl Monarchism and Anarchism need their own ideologies. Non aligned 50% WT justification is so chopped

[sudden falcon]

what if i intentionally lose a war with the allies so i get puppeted

and that means im in the allies faction

[ancient marsh]

it might work but it also could backfire

they try to puppet half your country separately

[sudden falcon]

so i have to annex germany since they are my puppet

wait to like 1960 for my world tension to beocme 0

[ancient marsh]

what are you

[sudden falcon]

poland

im going for no more partitions

i was in the allies but they kicked me out

[ancient marsh]

ur never rejoining the allies

they gave u faction traitor modifier

either fight the allies or

[sudden falcon]

oh shit

[ancient marsh]

idk

hoi4 be like that

[meager valley]

Nah sometimes you can rejoin but they’ll loop kick you

Like you’ll be in for another 6 months then they’ll kick you out randomly

And repeat

Hoping the faction rework fixes this

[sudden falcon]

what if i go to war with a democratic country and cause 0 world tension

what if i stage a coup in the uk

[meager valley]

People still do that after La Resistance released?

[sudden falcon]

what if i get out of the save

disable la resistance

[meager valley]

Ngl staging coups in early HOI4 was fun 😂

[sudden falcon]

and load back in

[meager valley]

Used to be able to just boost ideology and then pop a civil war easy peasy

[sudden falcon]

i mean its either this or a new run for that achievement

[weak bear]

So what happens if you win the Spanish civil war as the anarchists, but beat the nationalists before the government crackdown?

[sudden falcon]

can i get the british to 50% non aligned in a year

yeah im gonna kms

faction member is at peace but cpaitulated and i cant kick them out because they capitulated

now i cant dismantle my faction

[hoary mortar]

guten nacht

[candid rain]

I still do that for fun

Just a lot harder

[dusky burrow]

Should I post this on the reddit and ask if it is a good tank division?

[signal hazel]

can someone tutor me on how to launch naval invasions

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[dusky burrow]

First thing first, you have to have this tech researched (and preferrably the later techs, which also give a slight boost to invasions)

[signal hazel]

never really touched naval shit, but i guess i have it researched

[dusky burrow]

Oh, you're playing without certain DLCs

Huh

[signal hazel]

what certain dlcs

[dusky burrow]

Man the Guns in your case, that might affect division design later on

Ideally you wouldn't naval invade with a motorized division, but that's what I have at hand so yeah

[vague blaze]

is sheep's mod better than expert ai?

[meager valley]

Research transport, click army, click little anchor down below. Click a port you own, then click your target. Then you must deploy ships in the seas between and bing bada boom, doneso

[dusky burrow]

Yeah, that's one aspect

Of course you have to make divisions as well

[meager valley]

You can’t invade with just hopes and wishes?

[signal hazel]

can i just shove an entire 1 general army for a naval invasion

[dusky burrow]

No

[dusky burrow]

You can, but it's not recommended

[meager valley]

I tend to group them by 2 and launch all of them on and around a port

[dusky burrow]

You should have one order for each division, so yeah you do this 20+ times

[meager valley]

If you secure a port, you can reinforce with more divisions

[dusky burrow]

Although you are limited by your naval invasion capacity, which starts at 10 and increases to 30 and then 130

[meager valley]

Tbh 30 is about the max you’d ever need. If you can’t secure a beachhead and port with that you have issues elsewhere in your build

[dusky burrow]

I can see situations where you may want to invade with 130 divisions

looks ominously at Japan

[meager valley]

I tend to just invade around the middle with 24-30

Hoping Japan will be as hard to invade as the UK in the next expansion

[dusky burrow]

Here's a more or less starter division, or rather "the I need to naval invade but have no special forces cap" division

[signal hazel]

alr manage to got a hold on norway

[meager valley]

Pioneer but no special forces? 😏

[meager valley]

Now try to expand outward from the port so they don’t trap you in it

[signal hazel]

do i need to launch more naval invasions or how can i transfer troops thru it

[meager valley]

They will now get supply through the port

Ports are basically like supply hubs. So if you control that you will get supply up to 3 tiles from it

[dusky burrow]

If you do have some special forces cap you can try something like this

[meager valley]

If you assign you units to the frontline in Norway. They will move to it via the ocean

[signal hazel]

well thats surprisingly easy

thanks people

[meager valley]

When attacking Norway, it’s easiest if you just rush the coast tbh

Just be ready for UK naval shenanigans

[meager valley]

Ngl Meta Multiplayer divisions aren’t required in SP

[dusky burrow]

Multiplayer standard would look something like this

(although it probably ought to look something like this)

[meager valley]

If you have a god tier special forces cap ig

[dusky burrow]

Which brings us nicely to an alternate multiplayer template

If you are in singleplayer you can replace AT with medium tanks btw for more breakthrough

[dusky burrow]

Which is rather simple to achieve

[meager valley]

Still won’t break through the Great Wall

[dusky burrow]

Take this, convert it into this, and you will have shot your special forces cap into the thousands

Whoops, not the marine template, convert a 2-width infantry instead to the military police template

[tepid crown]

Old one. Not sure many use that anymore

[dusky burrow]

Now onto the tank templates. As a tank power you could have tanks like these lying around, which you can use to naval invade but you will also suffer ~40% penalty.

Amphtracs are often used by Germany players to give their tanks extra stats and remove river crossing+marsh debuffs

So for dedicated invasions you should do something like this (there should be 13 amphtracs, but there's not much of a difference)

[meager valley]

They genuinely need to patch this lol, hate this exploit

[dusky burrow]

I mean I can live with it, it means the Allies can D-Day effectively in multiplayer

[opal nymph]

It used to be no special forces cap in the past

Just make infinite special forces

[dusky burrow]

Every man a special forces

[opal nymph]

Random question

Do any vanilla lobbies ban the use of last stand and force attack

Because from what I heard, D-Day is simply who can force attack and last stand the longest

[dusky burrow]

Ultimate tank division be like

[opal nymph]

Casual 18k IC cost

Peak performance

[dusky burrow]

Peak performance

No pain, no gain

[opal nymph]

I love how field hospitals went from useless to meta

[dusky burrow]

Not a single offensive division without field hospitals

[opal nymph]

Random question, how good is the MP division recovery rate

I remember when they changed that, I experimented with it in some of my divisions

Wasn't the most noticeable thing, but the extra org regain was nice

[trim pike]

Some do

[dusky burrow]

The most recovery rate you will get is 0.14

It's total effect will about like 15% more recovery per division

[opal nymph]

I dont know what that number means to anything

So you can fight 15% sooner

So 6 hours?

[dusky burrow]

0.14 on top of 0.8, mass mobilization right

[opal nymph]

Sure

Because i can somewhat see this decent for a mass mob org wall

Especially if there is an advisor that boosts division recovery rate

[marsh ravine]

Bad lobbies might

And imo in those lobbies u just do massmob france battleplan anyways imo

If france isnt banned

[dusky burrow]

So a division of 70 org can recover in 87.5 hours, this drops to 74.4 hours with military police

[marsh ravine]

It gives defense as well and that's the reasoning I've heard for using MP

[dusky burrow]

So it might be able to help you fight, but not that much

[opal nymph]

MP is as pricy as engineers and field hospitals though, right?

[marsh ravine]

Its something like 17w massmob with MP, engi, aa, at? For ast africa against German tanks

[opal nymph]

I dont have the game open

[marsh ravine]

I dont think you would do it for the recovery rate compared to the defense

[dusky burrow]

It's one of the cheapest support companies, 20 infantry equipment + 10 support equipment

[opal nymph]

Oh, neat

[dusky burrow]

Motorized military police is actually even cheaper, but of course it requires rubber too

[opal nymph]

Germany can mass produce those too

But they never do mass mob

[dusky burrow]

Honestly it isn't worth it that much

But it isn't not useful

[opal nymph]

Well that was a fun thought experiment

[dusky burrow]

Motorized military police gives 1 recon funnily enough

[late pollen]

whats the best division width?

for tanks

[toxic lotus]

36w

[misty fossil]

@heavy vigil can you pin this

[opal nymph]

36

[misty fossil]

def

[opal nymph]

36 maxes breakthrough so you take less damage and doesn't have the worst terrain penalties

[misty fossil]

vanilla navy 😭

god please

[late pollen]

isnt the combat width messed up though? 36 dosent go into 60/70 very well

[opal nymph]

The italian fleet is a threat without MtG

[misty fossil]

is it

how

[opal nymph]

You dont get the worst penalties and you simply open up combat width by flanking

[opal nymph]

All ships are practically the same

Aside from some using the buttons a bit

[misty fossil]

ah

[opal nymph]

Like +5 damage or +5 armor

[misty fossil]

oh my god thats such a sad feature

[opal nymph]

Button designers are based

[misty fossil]

based on hellish standards

[opal nymph]

Spend 500 XP for some stats

[misty fossil]

real

[opal nymph]

Did you know

[misty fossil]

no way that feature got through so many rounds of QA

[opal nymph]

That IC for planes doesn't go up when you use button designers

[misty fossil]

and everyone at pdx found it acceptable

[misty fossil]

yeah but good luck getting 500xp

[opal nymph]

The original air menu went through QA

[sudden falcon]

1939 start date might be a bit buggy

[opal nymph]

Just wait until Nationalist Spain joins allies

They did in my game

[sudden falcon]

replace the motorized aa with regular aa

[opal nymph]

They saved Operation Dragoon

[wraith mauve]

Which option is better for democratic germany? Top or bottom

[sudden falcon]

really descriptive question

[opal nymph]

Huh

[misty fossil]

what options

read the tooltip

[wraith mauve]

Give it a second

I am doing the focus right now

[opal nymph]

Then you dont need us if you picked a choice

[sudden falcon]

i built too many forts

they wont attack

[wraith mauve]

Wait NO I DONT HAVE ENOUGH DEMOCRACY SUPPORT

[opal nymph]

Franco will save the day

[brisk veldt]

wth is a button

[opal nymph]

Don't worry

[opal nymph]

The button designer

[misty fossil]

a button

[wraith mauve]

it’s fine ig

[brisk veldt]

what's the context lmao

[wraith mauve]

Where is supply bro

[opal nymph]

I assume you have all designer dlcs right

[brisk veldt]

yes

[dusky burrow]

I mean if you want to go at 4kmh then yeah

[bright forum]

Wait what?!

[opal nymph]

Turn off those DLCs, and now you have the original button designers

+5 engine

[dusky burrow]

j0nathan800, should I go and troll the reddit?

[brisk veldt]

oh i get it

thx

[opal nymph]

We do a little trolling

Are you going to jokingly promote MP companies

[dusky burrow]

Post this division, ask them how I should improve it?

[dusky burrow]

Maybe that's a different post

[brisk veldt]

wouldn't that just easily get encircled cuz speed and supply

[wraith mauve]

If I conquer ussr Uk and France before 1942 can somone gift me la resistance i have 372.9 hours

I have only beat allies as fascist germany

[opal nymph]

Which division

[brisk veldt]

you guys are paying?

[wraith mauve]

Im not aloud to spend money on video games

[brisk veldt]

is piracy illegal where yall at or you just feel ashamed

[wraith mauve]

Both

[brisk veldt]

i would feel ashamed but my country makes it hard

[misty fossil]

i want to buy sea power because the pirated version is bugged out asf

[brisk veldt]

my uncle got prisoned for a month because he had dollars instead of giving it to the government

[brisk veldt]

W economic plan

[opal nymph]

Tax evasion moment

[dusky burrow]

Oh the division I shared up there, here if you can't see it

[opal nymph]

Couldn't you replace the AA with another camel

Or is this peak Africakorps

[brisk veldt]

no it's just corruption. a year ago the government was taking everybodies foreign currencies like crazy to stop inflation

[wraith mauve]

Just made Denmark give me Jutland

[dusky burrow]

Tanks are using howitzers so this gives enough piercing

[opal nymph]

Ah

[dusky burrow]

But yeah if you don't have that fifth slot I would

[opal nymph]

The reddit might have a meltdown from this

Post it

[wraith mauve]

Will expatriate the communists make France communist?

[brisk veldt]

is that worth it? im pretty sure it isn't much different from medium tanks. its also faster and cheaper

[opal nymph]

They will anyways

[wraith mauve]

It’s historical tho

[gusty oracle]

what are your thoughts on the war thunder update

[brisk veldt]

is There any hoi4 war thunder collab

that would be dope

[gusty oracle]

sadly no

[slim nexus]

Actuall ues october 23rd

[dusky burrow]

Heavies have more stats and are generally more consistent through the game, mediums are indeed faster and cheaper but by a small amount, they also have better terrain modifiers

[gusty oracle]

insane amount of community overlap

[wraith mauve]

What would that even be about?

[gusty oracle]

wait fr?

[dusky burrow]

This heavy tank division may last until 1945 without getting pierced

[brisk veldt]

imagine in hoi4 being able to join your battles as in war thunder gameplay

[split bane]

Platypuses

[gusty oracle]

would be peak

[wraith mauve]

Bruh how am I supposed to micro manage

[brisk veldt]

This is hoi4 in 2020😱

[dusky burrow]

Guy with 54 heavy tank divisions

[brisk veldt]

its 8 am and im talking to yall instead of sleeping

[wraith mauve]

It’s 930 bro

Are u tweaking

[brisk veldt]

did you mean because I didn't sleep or because my time is different from yours

can someone make a hoi5 mod

[wraith mauve]

What oh I forgot time zones exist is

[brisk veldt]

dawg....

[gusty oracle]

8 am bro?

did you not sleep all night?

[brisk veldt]

yes

i dont see sun light

[wraith mauve]

I have like 200 mils in production right now

[gusty oracle]

its 9:30 pm for me

[brisk veldt]

this isn't a city building simulator dude the game is already done

[wraith mauve]

Same

[brisk veldt]

you def from the Americas right?

[wraith mauve]

Yes

[wraith mauve]

Bro my army needs more guns and logistics shit and artillery

[gusty oracle]

lemme guess, california?

[gusty oracle]

yep

[wraith mauve]

Tijuana Mexico

[gusty oracle]

so yes

[wraith mauve]

Jk Im American

LONG LIVE THE UNITED STATES

[gusty oracle]

tijuana would still be california

[gusty oracle]

which state?

[brisk veldt]

ah come on

[wraith mauve]

It is?

[gusty oracle]

greater california

[wraith mauve]

California shitty ass state

[brisk veldt]

its good for yall but they killed and killing millions here in the middle east

[gusty oracle]

the mexican state is called baja california

[brisk veldt]

gulf wars , invasion of Iraq, military coups, invasion of gaza

[gusty oracle]

I have no involvement in that

[gusty oracle]

we did not invade gaza

are you from iraq?

[brisk veldt]

ik its israel but from us economic, military aid