hoi4-general

[quaint kettle]

LETS GOOOOO

[heavy vigil]

Its very depressing to get that event as the congo

On ahist ai

[terse ether]

oh

[heavy vigil]

I wasnt talking about germany

[terse ether]

well we were

[heavy vigil]

Read context grrr

[fallow grove]

Also as fascist Germany you can’t get cores on as many territories as others

[terse ether]

no u

[heavy vigil]

I DID

I was just making a comment because i got it once

And lost

[terse ether]

casey

where

did he say he was congo

[heavy vigil]

He didnt 😭

I never implied that??

[terse ether]

bruh

[fallow grove]

Isn’t Congo alt path extremely cursed?

[terse ether]

eh

only played it once

got bored after the civil war

[heavy vigil]

You should try the path where you peacefully build up until the game is over

[bronze mango]

Which one?

[fallow grove]

The one that gets you into civil war

[bronze mango]

So why is it cursed

[soft shale]

Yay I can mindlessly streamroll countries with just 10/0 infantry divs :3

[heavy vigil]

What the heck

I can run 5 speed because of how many people died in ww2

This is awesome

[soft shale]

LMAO

[late pollen]

is the AI any good?

[ripe slate]

Nah

[icy crescent]

The AI doesn't use very optimized army templates or focus tree pathing.
But you could say that they make good use of planes (even if they are not that great).

[uncut pollen]

I tought you where sleeping

[icy crescent]

Unfortunetely they are not able to build railways or airfields, even if it would be a no-brainer as a player.

[random venture]

Well

Im cooked

My hoi4 is still broken

[craggy trail]

It was a short marjin of time for sleep

[random venture]

Tno and kaiserreich still refuse me to play

[ripe slate]

I just getting cozy

Also theres an angry wasp

[random venture]

Kaiserreich discord neither github helped me

Im going to tweak

[ripe slate]

I speedrun sleep

[craggy trail]

[uncut pollen]

Eat it and SLEEP

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[ripe slate]

Will do

To get it back on HOI IV topic before I sleep:

[ripe slate]

At least Road to 56 works 😛

[dusky burrow]

Impossible

A mod that works?!

[terse ether]

wait until bro hears about 22/0s

[dusky burrow]

Oh god

[random venture]

It’s boring tho

For me

[uncut pollen]

Mine dosent work

[terse ether]

hoi4 players when the mod doesnt have the most schizo paths

[random venture]

wheres himmler slavery path

Jk

[random venture]

Probably exists as an mod to lmao

[terse ether]

millions must play tfr

[random venture]

Tfr works

Twr

Works

Kaiserredux works

But tno and kaiserreich

Dont

[terse ether]

twr isnt schizo

kaiserredux is tho

[random venture]

Nah i mean as in work on my pc

[terse ether]

oh

what about millenium dawn

[random venture]

My hair line receded by 10 cm trying to fix this shit

[random venture]

Works

Pretty much everything works on my pc besides tno and kaiserreich

[terse ether]

no way md works but kaiserreich doesnt

[random venture]

Kaiserreich devs closed mg github help request instantly 🥀

[terse ether]

md requires a super computer

[random venture]

Yeah im ripping my hair out

Nothing works

I feel like napoleon on the rock

[terse ether]

kaiserreich worked fine for me

[random venture]

Worked for me like 10 months ago or sum

[terse ether]

thats about the last time i played it too

[random venture]

Then i try to play like 2 weeks ago and boom freezes on main menu for an indefinite amount of time

Same with tno

Clean install of both hoi4 and the mods

Nothing

[terse ether]

i heard tno got ruined

[random venture]

Deleting documents paradox things nothin

[random venture]

How

[terse ether]

they removed the fun stuff

[random venture]

They removed the italy weird thing where they fill water with land

I just want to play it

It works fine on my steam deck but hoi4 sucks on the steam deck

[terse ether]

i hate tno because i cant stand the ui

like wtf am i supposed to look at

[turbid coyote]

is there a mod that makes each state in the united states a separate country?

[terse ether]

bro do your research

a simple workshop search will give you results

[turbid coyote]

i did....

[terse ether]

its not hard

[terse ether]

if you dont find any then they dont exist or theyre outdated

[sudden thistle]

Perhaps a mod where North America is divided?

[turbid coyote]

no

[heavy vigil]

Its alright

It doesnt do a single thing optimally, though

[sudden thistle]

Search in North America divided on steam

[heavy vigil]

But neither do most players

[turbid coyote]

oh shit

thank you lol

[uncut pollen]

Hiiiiiiii Casey

[heavy vigil]

Hiii flowi :3

[uncut pollen]

How Are you???

[heavy vigil]

Im okay hbu?

[uncut pollen]

Im okay too

[dusky burrow]

Oh no it is the Flowi ultranationalist

[sudden thistle]

rip china

and before you ask

i got bored

[dusky burrow]

Which country are you?

[sudden thistle]

soviets

[rugged maple]

first naval battle

💪

the germans are getting pushed by the belgians

im cooked

[woeful cobalt]

Which nation r u?

[rugged maple]

italy

[woeful cobalt]

Nice

Good luck

I still dont understand navy so I spam subs and hope it works

[rugged maple]

germans getting pushed by the belgians but im steamrolling egypt

italian gaming

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[fallow grove]

Why people makes overcomplicated mods just for a few nerds?

Would you play those mods honestly I wouldn’t not even using them as toilet wipes

[night lintel]

that was removed a VERY long ago

like 6 years ago lmao

[safe wing]

why is Kurt Meyer the leader of the DNVP when it was Alfred Hugenberg?

[night lintel]

this TNO image is an meme TNO isn't that complicated with their mini games

[safe wing]

he is in the game too

[dusky burrow]

Because it's fun

At least for those few nerds

[safe wing]

just like Europa Barbarorum

a overcomplicated classical antiquity mod for nerds

though I do like hearing the Romans speak in Classical Latin

and Carthaginians in Phoenician

[autumn plover]

Do stats affecting Artillery in general (like 10% more attack) affect both line and support artillery or just line artillery?

[naive wraith]

Whats like most controversial mod?

[night lintel]

the fire rises probably

[safe wing]

now yes but back in the day it was the one where Jesus comes back and becomes friends with Hitler

[night lintel]

atomwaffen division in a nutshell

[trail gate]

wtf?? what is the organism of a human being related to the levels of power and resources of denmark??

[trail gate]

you mean releasables?

[gusty oracle]

yes but low quality

[craggy trail]

Both line and support artillery

[autumn plover]

Nice, thank you

[dim hazel]

is 1936 start better than 1939?

[bronze mango]

Yes

[lapis snow]

1939 is basically unsupported slop

pdx has done very little for it in a long time

[lunar frigate]

which makes it the best start date trust

[remote quarry]

neither

[lunar frigate]

ignore the radical 36ers 39 is peak, especially as poland

[safe wing]

EU4: who has a dozen unsupported start dates

[winter wagon]

Why cant i cede Irland to Reichkomissariat Großbritannien D:

[remote quarry]

you need to read if it's a battalion level modifier, or is it a modifier for "artillery" in general

like if it says "artillery attack + 10%" it's the second one

[winter wagon]

I did Reorganize the Wehrmacht

[remote quarry]

if it's like in superior firepower, it's the first one

[safe wing]

with only the 1444 one being the best one

[autumn plover]

It doesn't say anything about battalion or support, it just says Artillery

[lapis snow]

the only one that matters is the 1776 one for the US achievement

[remote quarry]

then it's the seocnd one

[lapis snow]

the others are trash

[remote quarry]

which give modifier to the division as a whole

[safe wing]

true

[remote quarry]

multiplied by the artillery composition of the division

[silk fern]

Ioseb kind of looks like somebody else

[remote quarry]

so it doesn't affect support artillery at all, and buff the whole division depending on the percentage of artillery you have in it

say, if it's +10% artillery attack

and your division is 9/1(10% artillery)

then the division get 1% attack

so overall artillery attack is 100% useless

[lapis snow]

not controlling the required states

[winter wagon]

I am controlling all of Ireland

[lapis snow]

which states are highlighted?

just read the tooltip tbh

[safe wing]

he looks familiar

[lunar frigate]

gives me hirohito vibes tbh... could be him?

[trail gate]

hey romania, i was the one supposed to backstab my allies

[sudden thistle]

i shall liberate the temu workers

[trail gate]

turkey you suck.

[candid oxide]

does turkey swallow uwu

[cerulean orchid]

when are they going to fix ts

i just played a game of portugal and french units kept coming into my country from neutral spain

[trail gate]

i dont think they can invade you through a neutral country

never happened to me at least

its just turkey ruining my epic encirclement

camel in the easten front

[tepid crown]

Wait. If you’re communist China. Doesn’t that mean you start the Temu workers?

[random epoch]

true soviet larp right here

[serene token]

Yes

[dreamy ginkgo]

peak -2 divisions

[trail gate]

😈

i might have not checked the balance of power

[split tusk]

really

first time getting this event, not excited if it leads to war

[trail gate]

i might have not checked ITALY actually

is there a option to nuke myself

like every single tile

[trail gate]

BRO THEY TOOK MEY CAMEL

[dusky burrow]

What are you fighting? China from Temu?

[sudden thistle]

idk whats happening

[dusky burrow]

I see

Yeah China is extra screwed here

Communist China it is

[winter urchin]

@jaunty ore is lobby ok?

Im on my way back rn

[umbral agate]

how do i use a nuke i havent actually used them before

[warped flint]

I am gonna finnally try sheeps mod

so like, what do i do to make it normal for these

[opal nymph]

Strengthen friendly ai logic, mass assault, AI try its best

[trail gate]

im stopping here today

god what a mess

[warped flint]

oh wait this just popped up

[warped flint]

Thanks

[warped flint]

Think ill do large infantry balanced playstyle

[crisp wyvern]

big yugoslavia

ignore the border gore in italy

[heavy vigil]

Who u playing

[crisp wyvern]

the british and french as always, dont know how to draw proper borders

[warped flint]

Germany

I am gonna stop for now just to figure out what templates i should use

[heavy vigil]

Youll prob lose if you dont know your role

Which is tanks + air

[warped flint]

So should i do small like 12 width inf with at support?

and then mostly focus on tanks

and air

[dusky burrow]

Whicih option did you pick?

A largely infantry option?

[heavy vigil]

No

Tanks and air

Grind veterans in china and spain

Convert to tank when tank stockpile

Grind daimler on IW meds etc etc

[warped flint]

So will the ai help me cover the front?

[warped flint]

I wanna do tanks and air

[heavy vigil]

If you wanna play a nation that has to do inf + air / all branches play like japan

[heavy vigil]

They try to

[warped flint]

oh

[sudden thistle]

we ball

[heavy vigil]

Do they succeed? Idk

[warped flint]

i am just worried i won't have enough tanks to cover the polish front

[sudden thistle]

ches hear me out for sheeps mod

[heavy vigil]

You kill poland after france

[sudden thistle]

just do whatever

[heavy vigil]

Its where you can grind traits

Like ranger

[heavy vigil]

Do whatever, lose

Pretty good strat

[sudden thistle]

i didnt mean it that way

[heavy vigil]

Its just like play the nation you wanna play the role for smh

Germany is hard and annoying

[sudden thistle]

i meant like try a game yourself and see how far you can go

[warped flint]

Honestly, idk if this is stupid but i wanna do a run by myself first just so i can understand just how much better the ai is myself

[dusky burrow]

I mean you do that in all Germanies

[sudden thistle]

then improve next time

[heavy vigil]

Cuz you insta win with good build

[fierce vault]

Aren't you supposed to grind ranger in Spain?

[dusky burrow]

You might not need AT on your infantry though if you're not fighting tanks

[heavy vigil]

You can

[sudden thistle]

🔥

[heavy vigil]

But its uncontrolled

Enemies move and tiles can be taken

Poland is essier and more controlled

[dusky burrow]

Ranger in Spain? Most of Spain's forests are in decidedly Nationalist territory

[warped flint]

Will nations like austria try not to be annexed

and will czechoslovakia resist

[crisp wyvern]

japan still stands

[heavy vigil]

No they have like 5-10 forest tiles

[crisp wyvern]

the double chin of the sun shall rise again

[heavy vigil]

You can do it

[crisp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/hirohito-emperor-japan-empire-japanese-gif-12994469636453857844

[heavy vigil]

2-3 left of madrid

Then another few next to barcelona

[warped flint]

How the flip do you remember this stuff.....

Oh I am apporaching 2K hours

yay

[fierce vault]

The tile above and next to Ciudad Real are forests

[heavy vigil]

Just memorize the map?

[warped flint]

Like the terrains

that just feels a lil insane

[heavy vigil]

Its like asking me why i know theres 1 marsh tile in south mexico on the guatemala border

Its messed up**

I didnt say that

[sudden thistle]

im approaching 3k

[sharp sierra]

i only have 942

[warped flint]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-with-filter-gif-5441632932248933938

[crisp wyvern]

big ussr

[warped flint]

haha

no life\

imagine having over 2K hours

couldn';t be me

[heavy vigil]

Also paraguay has 2-3 marsh tiles

[warped flint]

oh yay i get this

[heavy vigil]

And the upper state of finland also has some marsh tiles

I forgot the state name

[fierce vault]

Lappland?

[heavy vigil]

The thing the ussr annexed irl

Its marshes

[fierce vault]

Oh Karelia

[heavy vigil]

No

North

Next to murmansk

[sudden thistle]

bro the soviets have horrible alu supplies

resources*

[warped flint]

This is disturbing

[crisp wyvern]

funny enough, i once been at war with mexico as the kingdom of honduras (rt56 honduran ft) had to do the long run to defeat em mfs

[heavy vigil]

Karelia map war thunder

[heavy vigil]

Wdym

[warped flint]

Wait

wrong

1

[heavy vigil]

I remember because marsh tiles are like the demon on earth

[warped flint]

I will permeantly remember this

[crisp wyvern]

one large airplane please

[sudden thistle]

holy shit

[fierce vault]

Report UK for tank on port

[heavy vigil]

Sorry i misremembered

:(

[warped flint]

How dare you

[heavy vigil]

I just know theres a marsh there

[warped flint]

you are spreading false information

[heavy vigil]

And i hate it

[warped flint]

i am going to report you for spreading false information

[heavy vigil]

Tbh you dont really memorize hoi4 terrain

[crisp wyvern]

what if....uhhhh

[heavy vigil]

Besides important tiles

[crisp wyvern]

austria hungary came back during ww2 or smth

idk

[heavy vigil]

Like if you struggle to push somewhere repeatedly

[crisp wyvern]

i need my daily coffee cup to function properly

[heavy vigil]

You remember that tile to be bad

I remember finland because i used marines in petsamo

[warped flint]

1 thing i really am confused about, Why does finland HAVE SO MANY VPS

[heavy vigil]

1 vp per person

[sharp sierra]

same with turkey they got too many

[heavy vigil]

Nah

Compare vps to population

[sharp sierra]

or was it greece

[heavy vigil]

Then finland is pretty egregious

[dusky burrow]

Oh I see

[heavy vigil]

Or baltics as well

So many vps compared to so few people

[warped flint]

Already noticing strange things

like Hungary asking for mil acesss

[fierce vault]

DLC main character syndrome

[dusky burrow]

BTW Casey, how should I get more mountaineer/ranger experience? The Spanish Civil War looks like this

[warped flint]

What should my inf look like, this is what i got rnn

i think should shrink them to 12 width or 16 right?

[fierce vault]

Like all the DLC minors have ludicrous amounts of VPs

[sudden thistle]

any border gore i should fix

wait i forgot switzerland

[crisp wyvern]

aw hell naw, big switzerland

[dusky burrow]

You really want logistics by Barb

[crisp wyvern]

why does iraq own a chunk of saudi arabia

[dusky burrow]

You're going to nearly saturate all your supply hubs

[warped flint]

Alright I will try to get that

should i shrink the inf to like 16 width?

or keep what i got for now

[dusky burrow]

You could

[warped flint]

Well would it be better?

[gilded nymph]

does anyone know the next discounts for the dlcs?

also is there a dlc for USA focus tree?

[heavy vigil]

Looks fine

La coruna has forests next to it

But as ussr just use the baltics...

Like you dont need to grind on spain its kinda just an uncontrolled grind contest for vetted units

Unless italy sends vols to republicans to sit on forests

For german grind

[tepid crown]

No

[heavy vigil]

Yes

Man the guns

Adds alt history paths

[gilded nymph]

do u think its worth to buy?

[heavy vigil]

You need it to block sea zones

So yeah

[gilded nymph]

dang didnt know, this will be my first time buying a dlc on this game

any opinions on the best dlc?

[warped flint]

What should the tonk look like

i don't really know

[heavy vigil]

Remove armor dont do medium gun ever

Keep armor clicks

If its a soft attack tank it doesnt need small cannons

[warped flint]

Wait shit

[heavy vigil]

If its a hard attack tank why isnt it basic heavy

[warped flint]

i just thought i would need that more then howitzer

[heavy vigil]

For what..?

[warped flint]

to like

beat tanks

[heavy vigil]

So you can deal no damage to tanks and infantry alike?

[warped flint]

Yeah ima restart then

ima just give up

my room is so hot its giving me a headache

[tepid crown]

No step back

[dusky burrow]

BTW you might see the tab in the upper left, Bukharin or Rykov?

[heavy vigil]

if no other dlcs besides like lar/mtg id go for AAT tbh

Mixes best with no designers

[heavy vigil]

The what

[dusky burrow]

Right opposition Soviet run

[tepid crown]

NSB was peak hoi4 for me

[warped flint]

I really hate how i can't immidiately rush annex austria

[warped flint]

it makes me confused cause i am so used to doing that

[heavy vigil]

Yeah the update

[warped flint]

and it messes me up

[lime aspen]

is there anything u can do as soviets to get more trade?

[heavy vigil]

Uhh this server i used to play on ages ago was forced ahist and it was always ryukin iirc

[lime aspen]

i started the game with getting 22 civs from trade, after going free trade im down to 4 😭

[heavy vigil]

Yes

You can get trade influence by having more troops on shared borders

[gilded nymph]

Okay thanks, I will check it out, I just bought man the guns. I wish there was a sale going on right now

[heavy vigil]

Which can be like 2 width

But all countries you border kinda suck for trade and its not really worth doing

[lime aspen]

holy moly i did not know that

ty

i will mog them with 2w cavalry

[misty fossil]

play as sweden so god will give you more civs

[misty fossil]

Thats a thing??

WHAT

I guess just wait for a bit and more countries will start trading with you or something

[split bane]

There will be one in like 11 days

[lime aspen]

i have put a bazillion divs on everyone's borders

and its up to 9 now

but i still feel like thats a lot less then what i could be getting

shit rng ig

[heavy vigil]

Never claimed it works well

Its how you can mog trade from other countries though like say germany trades tungsten with spain and youre portugal

If your influence is higher YOU get the resources and they can do like nothing

[analog ivy]

what is this spanish civil war

[lime aspen]

how the hell does trade work bro

now im getting 27 from trade

after getting like 4 the entire game

[analog ivy]

OH CRAP

too easyy

[late pollen]

is the AI still completely inept at fighting subs?

[heavy vigil]

Why do you think the ai cant fight subs?

I can explain it to you and its very simple

Ai cannot put naval bombers + fighters over an uncontested airzone where subs operate, because they dont have a factor to determine a "good zone" or a factor to "block off every sea zone out of bomber range"

[analog ivy]

im killing germany with 13 troops lol

Oooo

welp now the world is against me

[atomic grove]

i have somehow been able to not only completely revive the high seas fleet, but also make it stronger than the royal navy itself

and yes i am battling the us navy at the same time

[north hazel]

hehe I'll never get over how this is possible xd

[hoary mortar]

nice lmao

now must eep

[craggy trail]

Eeep well

[umbral zodiac]

''saved'' italy with 2 divs as nationalist spain

[brave steeple]

is this a new KX update

[haughty sail]

I rarely play hoi4 anymore due to the lack of newest dlcs. GoE sucked so bad

[worthy quarry]

Does area defense not work anymore?

[haughty sail]

Are u talking about the army thing

The little combat tactic thingy

[worthy quarry]

had it set to guard my coastline and ports and got naval invaded by the allies in 3 different areas like there werent even troops there

ye

[haughty sail]

Area Defense rarely works.

If ur doing naval u hit the whatever defends the ports. Army u cant really do that

Plus area defense in regular land divisions dont help defend ports. U have to place a unit or 2 on that spot

If u can get what im kinda saying

[worthy quarry]

Ight im done with this game

The allies were pushing clean thru my 30 combat width tanks with cavalry

No supply too

[sharp storm]

Send the template vro what the hell you do wrong

[worthy quarry]

Dawg I already turned my PC off

[haughty sail]

Tf

[sharp storm]

Do you remember what you did in your template

[worthy quarry]

Trying to find it

[haughty sail]

Never use light tanks if u did light tanks

[worthy quarry]

Like this but with mediums and mechanized

[sharp storm]

Even if he did cav shouldnt be able to break through

[haughty sail]

Depends

[sharp storm]

You must have done something wrong if you lose to the ai

[worthy quarry]

I couldn't get air superiority literally ever. The allies would just dump 5000 fighters onto any province and I couldn't do anything

[urban ivy]

just make better fighters

[worthy quarry]

Dawg its a numbers problem

[haughty sail]

Not really

If u can make better planes u defeat the ai

Just make interceptors

[urban ivy]

u can be outnumbered amd shoot 40 planes a day

and*

[zenith charm]

depends how many planes u have I doubt 200 or 300 Fighters can do that

[urban ivy]

if ai has 5k and u dont have 1k it s a you problem

[zenith charm]

True always prioritize air production

[urban ivy]

gun2 and air

[worthy quarry]

Nah im tired of this game. Every time I play, I get screwed over and I spend more time trying to un D-day my country in 1941 than I do anything else. Oh and Italy has zero concept of defending themselves too.

[urban ivy]

top prios

[urban ivy]

make better divisions

work on your macro

[urban ivy]

yea

best if u attack everyone alone

u re kinda supposed to

[worthy quarry]

Nah im done man, I shouldn't have spent my money on this game

[zenith charm]

Also to get a good early war advantage build Mills as early as early/mid 37

[urban ivy]

💀

blud has never played multiplayer

to see how f ed up the game realy is

[urban ivy]

just give it more time u will enjoy it

[urban ivy]

for germany, 1936

and france

[willow plume]

bruh how long do multiplayer games go on for?

[haughty sail]

Skill issue ig

[craggy trail]

[random sinew]

yall know some good mods?

[atomic grove]

i hope philippines gets to form some good formable/s

[haughty sail]

I need more content for thailand

[atomic grove]

i unfortunately dont think they will though because there is no possible formable

unless they let us form a unified asean or southeast asian union

[flat barn]

would you fight for this axis?

[atomic grove]

this is like saying get 1 million dollars or get executed by firing squad

[brittle cypress]

Less than 300 factories as the Soviets owning half of Europe is interesting

But still nice

[flat barn]

i forgot to build factories in barb

i was microing

[craggy trail]

[quiet yacht]

In my games often the uk declare war on mexico and the us intervene

[digital aurora]

i keep doing that with focuses and research lmao

[wraith mauve]

Is the best doctrine still grand battle plan?

[atomic grove]

yes

gbp left is the best

[wraith mauve]

Ok

[atomic grove]

gbp right is also pretty good

[wraith mauve]

Thank you

[marsh ravine]

Mass assault right is also good, and best for defending

Gbp R is good if u cba to use planning as much/want a static frontline

Gbp L just get max planning and go win

[clear dagger]

i would save them as luxembourg

then turn on them 4 years later because the world belongs to luxembourg

[flat barn]

obviously

[ruby flame]

truly quite incredible

[clear dagger]

who are you fighting?

[flat barn]

would you play as this britain?

[clear dagger]

i just got severe deja vu from this for some reason

like of the discord messages + pic

[vital owl]

for france early 37(when u get partial), for germany either day 1 or mid/late 37

[flat barn]

do u play britain much

[vital owl]

270 factories 💀

[flat barn]

would you play?

[vital owl]

wdym

[flat barn]

as that britain

[vital owl]

no??

[flat barn]

why not

[urban ivy]

too long

[urban ivy]

ni

no

[rich nacelle]

This would suggest that they end.

[urban ivy]

for france it s literally january 1st 1936

[vital owl]

civ eco gives u -30% mil construction, also once u cap u wont have enough factroies to mantain trade for recorces to produces ur heavies

[urban ivy]

so what

it s still better to do mils

[clear dagger]

never played it i just had a weird deja vu in the moment

[urban ivy]

fastgame

[clear dagger]

as i was reading it

[urban ivy]

that only happens if u fall

[vital owl]

blah blah blah

[vital owl]

in normal games ur supposed to fail

or others jsut dont have a game

[urban ivy]

well that s just playing normie france

[vital owl]

also a good germany will win agaisnt france most of the time

[rich nacelle]

Who tf plays fr*nce

[urban ivy]

are u at least allowed to defend

in those scenarios?

cause i think it s plain better to do mass mob france

and battleplan germany

if u arent really allowed to defend

[rich nacelle]

If you are defending wouldn’t gbp be better for entrenchment bonuses?

[urban ivy]

u can drain their equipment and manpower to delay barb

[vital owl]

guerilal tactics, recovery rate, org

its better

[urban ivy]

bruh stop watching every yt guy pretending to know ehat doctrines do

then suggesting sfp is the best

[rich nacelle]

I barely watch YouTube stuff on hoi4 💀

[urban ivy]

in this case, the one node gives u 5% recruitable

and less combat width for inf

[rich nacelle]

I just use it and notice that Japan can’t break my lines (China main here)

[urban ivy]

u can make 600hp infsntry

and continuously battleplan germany

[vital owl]

not doing massmob as china 💀

[urban ivy]

wether u lose or not lose

[rich nacelle]

Massmob as nationalist China is uhhh

Like bro you have infinite manpower

[vital owl]

what will u do if its good japan, and they use marines to break you? ur entrenchment just goes to nowhere

[urban ivy]

i thought the strategy is 1st node superior firepower and gbl r after u beat japan

[rich nacelle]

That is why I use a NAP to cheese them and build naval forts where they usually invade. I also get 2-3 divisions per sea tile.

[vital owl]

ru talking abt sp?

[rich nacelle]

I think if you want to incorporate artillery yes

[urban ivy]

no

[rich nacelle]

sp?

[urban ivy]

the only incorporated artillery

is support artillery

[vital owl]

support

yes

[vital owl]

single player

💀

[rich nacelle]

Yes

I don’t play multiplayer

I have NEVER seen a multiplayer game active

[vital owl]

i can tell 🙏

[rich nacelle]

Gotta love my time zone

[vital owl]

where r u from

[rich nacelle]

Hawaii

[vital owl]

ahh, ggs

[rich nacelle]

My timezone is UTC-10

[urban ivy]

u dont need any fort lol

[rich nacelle]

The only people online when I am are Californians 😭

[vital owl]

i live in japan

[rich nacelle]

Ik. Just makes me feel more comfortable

[urban ivy]

use like 40-48 x 6 inf+sup arti

[rich nacelle]

Noice

[urban ivy]

to hold the land border with japan and manchukuo

and spam 40+x4 inf without guns

[vital owl]

why 12w

[urban ivy]

to hold the shores

[rich nacelle]

I just use the juntuan divisions (I play nationalist China)

[urban ivy]

why not

[terse ether]

its a meme about how complicated some tno mechanics can be, and shitty the ui is

[vital owl]

its jsut worse, use 14 and 16 in city tiles

[atomic grove]

there we go

[urban ivy]

u re gona hold until u get st least 2 army reforms

[rich nacelle]

Once you get guns going you can make a CPU melting amount of divs

[vital owl]

fits better

[urban ivy]

ure only gona hold for a little while

then u re up on attacking

so it s like whatever

[vital owl]

what????

[urban ivy]

nice

[vital owl]

are you talking about sp or mp

[rich nacelle]

I usually make forts on the Beijing tile as Japan can attack from 5 tiles.

[vital owl]

im confused

[urban ivy]

where tf did u see

an actual game

[rich nacelle]

IT IS THE MESSIAH

[urban ivy]

where china player is allowed

[rich nacelle]

I am talking about single player

[vital owl]

ive seen some

[urban ivy]

the same ones where france doesnt have to build up in their colonies

cause they just fast game germany?

[rich nacelle]

Are mp games fun at all or is it just who is the more unemployed person?

[urban ivy]

the latter

[vital owl]

both

[ruby flame]

Mf EVERYONE it’s horrible

Russia, UK, Italy, Germany

[vital owl]

"day 1 mils on france 💀"

[rich nacelle]

Ok. Building mils day 1 sounds illegal

[vital owl]

no

[rich nacelle]

I get it bc mp is sweaty

[urban ivy]

i havent really played mp after gotterdamerung

[vital owl]

its fine o ngermany, italy sometimes

[rich nacelle]

But like. Good luck building with your whole 2 civs

[urban ivy]

but before the germany dlc everybody did that

[vital owl]

my main germany build is day 1 mils

[urban ivy]

it is what it always was

a GAMBLE

[ruby flame]

I pretty much always build civs until at the earliest mid 37

[urban ivy]

no

[vital owl]

nowadays almost everyone except like russia builds mils in early/mid 37

[ruby flame]

Unless I’m a minor where going from 3 civs to 4 isn’t gonna do anything

[rich nacelle]

I started playing right after Götterdämmerung released.

[urban ivy]

on italy it s civs until u declare on yugo

[brittle cypress]

No one builds mils day 1

They build infrastructure

[rich nacelle]

Also can Yugoslavia actually become your puppet if you do the decision as Italy? I have NEVER had it happen. Historical or not. 100 divisions on our border or not.

[terse ether]

youre supposed to make civs as france???

[marsh ravine]

You dont want them as a puppet

Anyways

[ruby flame]

I build inf in provinces with resources and let my focus tree do it in the rest

[marsh ravine]

It can happej

[marsh ravine]

Like a couple

If u cap

[vital owl]

infra in vanilla-overrated (except dam states)

[marsh ravine]

So u can trade

[vital owl]

yes, 6 to mantain trade once u leave mainland for ur heavies

[urban ivy]

u can just invade with 2 collabs and fully annex

[rich nacelle]

I don’t wanna fight in the Temu Himalayas.

[marsh ravine]

Fastgame u just dont

[brittle cypress]

Google fastgame

[terse ether]

what if u plan on holding

[rich nacelle]

Also why is swearing blocked 😭

[marsh ravine]

Its the temu himalayas

Its easy

[marsh ravine]

Then day1 mils

Game ends in 39

[ruby flame]

I’ve had it happen once in like 30 Italy games

[rich nacelle]

I am “new” to the game.

[urban ivy]

not allowed

[marsh ravine]

And it takes like 1k days for a civ to pay off including what the mil makes

[urban ivy]

qait

[marsh ravine]

Iifc

[urban ivy]

wait

[terse ether]

most fun type of games, unless youre soviets

[urban ivy]

i got a better answer for that

[marsh ravine]

Doesn't matter?

[marsh ravine]

Ik

[brittle cypress]

I love when I press soviets and I see a France with 900 years in MP and 60% heavy tank production going up against player Germany

[rich nacelle]

Idfk what dark magic you people use to push the max entrenched Yugoslav division off their mountain tiles. I just puppet them so I can use their divs to spook other nations.

[marsh ravine]

Just alt f4

[marsh ravine]

Green air?

[ruby flame]

Need to try a Germany win by ‘37 lol

[marsh ravine]

And just battleplan lol

[terse ether]

wth

[urban ivy]

infantry?

cas?

[rich nacelle]

That is what I do

[rich nacelle]

Inf and green skies. They don’t budge

[terse ether]

what did vro look up

[urban ivy]

i was too harsh configuring the firewall

[marsh ravine]

What is inf template

[urban ivy]

CAS

[rich nacelle]

This is the template I use

[urban ivy]

if u only have green air it s doable but a lil hard

[marsh ravine]

Bruh

Thats why u cant push

[rich nacelle]

Just the one from bittersteel

[terse ether]

north korea ahh firewall

[marsh ravine]

Get rid of the line artillery

[rich nacelle]

It has worked for me for every nation so far

Except for yugo

[rich nacelle]

Aight

[urban ivy]

it s because of phishing information

[ruby flame]

Line arty is for real gamers only

Stinky players rely on tanks

[marsh ravine]

You have supply issues so arty become rly bad

[urban ivy]

use

[marsh ravine]

Its alr bad

[urban ivy]

15 x or 16x infantry

[rich nacelle]

wtf is a tank

[urban ivy]

with some supports

or

better yet

use those

mountaineers of yours

[marsh ravine]

Can also do 7x inf

[urban ivy]

starting ones

u can spam 2w inf, send vols to spain

[marsh ravine]

Meant to reply to @urban ivy bruh

Either works

[urban ivy]

convert said 2w inf to 40w cavalry

[marsh ravine]

One loses less

[ruby flame]

3x3inf + 1 arty

[marsh ravine]

No

Thats bad

[urban ivy]

convert more divisions into mountaineer template

[ruby flame]

You’re bad

[urban ivy]

send more mountaineer to spain

grind them until lvl5

[rich nacelle]

So what is the purpose of line arty?

[urban ivy]

when u declsre war on yugo

[marsh ravine]

To be bad

[wraith mauve]

Me 14k casualties polish peasant republic 101k casualties https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMePxMRT/

[urban ivy]

use said mountaineers grinded in spain

[rich nacelle]

😭

[marsh ravine]

Its alright against gun1 and gun0

[urban ivy]

they re lv 5 vets

[marsh ravine]

Aside from that its bad

[rich nacelle]

Wow

[ruby flame]

It’s fine, people who don’t like line arty probably spam ‘40 subs and say they “know navy”

[rich nacelle]

The fact he recommends that is sad

[urban ivy]

read from here

[vital owl]

soviets, japan, usa and most minors, but when u fastgame as france it is fun icl

[rich nacelle]

Wait till you find out how I navy…

Anyways I gtg

Good night

[marsh ravine]

Paradox doesnt understand their own game so line arty "works" in sp cos the ai is also horrendous, but when you start to struggle you should do meta

[urban ivy]

actually line arti is bad period

[ruby flame]

Then why does the soft attack number go up

Checkmate

[marsh ravine]

Well 1940 subs are good, by 1940 dd with torp 3 or cl with max light attack is also better

[urban ivy]

because soft attack is not the only stat that matters

[marsh ravine]

Hp

Exists

Thats it

[urban ivy]

if u have 5k soft attack and no breakthrough u cant maintain an attack

[marsh ravine]

You can get around having no org

[urban ivy]

arti only gives soft attack

also

[marsh ravine]

You cant get around 0 hp

[ruby flame]

It stops existing when my line arty shows up

[urban ivy]

when u calculate the attack u get

[marsh ravine]

Yours does yeh

[urban ivy]

compared to infantry

[ruby flame]

For the enemy

[urban ivy]

do

0.66 x the soft attack of artillery

because artillery is 3 combat width

infantry is 2

[marsh ravine]

Iirc i compared it once its like 30? More soft

[urban ivy]

so scale them properly

[marsh ravine]

If full 36w of arty

[urban ivy]

no

[marsh ravine]

Compared to 36w of inf

[urban ivy]

compare

1 batallion

to 1 batallion

[marsh ravine]

Ive done that as well

I just forgor

[urban ivy]

scale everything u see on arti to 66%

[marsh ravine]

I remember that one cos I was surprised

[ruby flame]

I mean you’re ignoring the hidden stats too

[urban ivy]

then compare the both of them

[urban ivy]

which is what

exactly

as you research more technology

[ruby flame]

You get a 50% combat bonus for not being a cringe meta slave

[urban ivy]

guns become better than artillery

[ruby flame]

It’s in the code

[wraith mauve]

How do I make a puppet with borders I want

[urban ivy]

oh yea?

[brittle cypress]

Setowner command

[urban ivy]

in the closed source code?

[ruby flame]

My large airframe fighters rule the skies

[urban ivy]

how come you can access it

[vital owl]

rate my barb tanks, killed russia within like 3 months using these

[urban ivy]

good

but unnecessary

[brittle cypress]

The amphib is overkill no? But still good

[urban ivy]

u can use normal tanks

[marsh ravine]

I prefer 13/5 but yeh nice

[vital owl]

funny build

[urban ivy]

amphib modules no longer give extra buffs

[ruby flame]

Need more breakthrough you might lose a little org

[urban ivy]

it is hard capped

[marsh ravine]

?wym

[brittle cypress]

oh wait it’s mediums so the amphib is actually good right

Nvm

[marsh ravine]

Yes

[urban ivy]

when using both amtracs and amphibs

or any amphibious thing

[brittle cypress]

It’s cause of the special forces buff

[urban ivy]

the bonus is hard capped at 50%

[brittle cypress]

Not the terrain

[urban ivy]

is it?

[vital owl]

but i also used heavy tds for killing ddays and sometimes on barb

[marsh ravine]

Do u mean how invasion caps out at 50%?

[brittle cypress]

amphib tanks are sf so they benefit from commando and sf doctrine

[marsh ravine]

Or am I on something else

[urban ivy]

i thought that u can just do tds and amtracs and the division counts as special force

[brittle cypress]

I think he means amphibious bonus

Mountaineer marine logic

[marsh ravine]

Yeh which is this

[brittle cypress]

Maybe I’m lying idk

[urban ivy]

actually

[marsh ravine]

I thought it applied as %, of battalion

[urban ivy]

it might be the extra hard attack

[marsh ravine]

Or is this something else

[urban ivy]

from at tech

that is better than amphibs

[brittle cypress]

the hard attack isn’t it, if it was hard attack tds give more

[marsh ravine]

30% hard

[brittle cypress]

Do they give more or is it just not as efficient idk these things

[urban ivy]

i meant that s why ppl pick tds over amphibs

[vital owl]

if i did medium tds with amtracs itd be more hard attack but they would struggle on marshes

[urban ivy]

yea this

[vital owl]

these guys sliced soviet heavies through dnieper and marshes

[brittle cypress]

Can someone clarify this real quick is the 50% amphib thing for naval invasions only or for all water-like terrain

[marsh ravine]

Btw how many do u need to negate the river debuff on kiev river?

[marsh ravine]

Iirc its only naval invasion

U should be able to get positive on river iirc

Just also iirc its harder to get

[brittle cypress]

Ok that division is very cool then

[urban ivy]

engineers?

[marsh ravine]

No of amtrac/amphib

Cos i play in ape server

Where no sf exploit allowed

[urban ivy]

no pike

like

engineers 2

is enough

[marsh ravine]

Is that enough

For large river?

[urban ivy]

i think

[vital owl]

wdym

[marsh ravine]

Isn't large river

50%

[urban ivy]

idk what the river debuff is

ah

7 marines + pioneers get the max iirc

[marsh ravine]

Like how many mech/normal tank could I have in template and not take penalty on kiev river, or does it all have to be sf

[urban ivy]

so i guess 8/9 amtracs and assault engis are ok

[normal bloom]

funny bavaria game

[marsh ravine]

I rly gotta improve my germany build

There's so much I miss

[vital owl]

idk, im too lazy to check man im sry

[marsh ravine]

Aight no worries

[urban ivy]

so instead of grossdeutschland

did u choose to become southern deutschland

and it turned you into bavaria?

[marsh ravine]

Mod?

[vital owl]

im a bit sleep deprived rn and i can barely understand what u wrote haha

[normal bloom]

me and my friend played ww1 mod and we fractured germany

[urban ivy]

oh

okay

cause i played austria one game and went fascist

[normal bloom]

it was a really funny game tbh

[urban ivy]

and after i beated germany i could become southern deustchland

or smth like that

[normal bloom]

ahh yeah

[urban ivy]

idk what happens

i chose grossdeutschland

[normal bloom]

bavaria own britan and india funny lol

[urban ivy]

mr fuehrer

[vital owl]

wait ru fr? bigger rivers give u bigger penalties?

[marsh ravine]

Yes iirc

Cos I was looking at it for a tank japan build

To meme

Small river iirc is 30%

[urban ivy]

mountains should also have different debuffs

it s harder to fight in alps

[marsh ravine]

Thats what a hill is?

[urban ivy]

than it is in carparthians

[marsh ravine]

Oh u mean high and high high mountain

[urban ivy]

or tibet

compared to others

idk

instead of adding new mountain tiles or stuff they could just make province modifiers

it s an easy fix

[marsh ravine]

I may be on something cos I cant find it

But I swear

Small river is smaller debuff

[urban ivy]

test it

[marsh ravine]

I mean if I remember I check when I get home cos I go to school I 5 mins

[vital owl]

ur correct

[marsh ravine]

Ahh

Thanks

ITS 60%!?¿

I SWEAR IT USED TO BE 50%

[vital owl]

so ig this would fully remove all debuffs on big rivers

and give u buffs on small ones

[marsh ravine]

Try attacking lipetsk river

Or whatever

[vital owl]

but you sacrifice the maintanance module (reliablity + cost reducton)

[marsh ravine]

Should be a small one

[marsh ravine]

Fake in vanilla

Imo

Just get more stats u r germany

Who cares abt ic

[vital owl]

true

but in vanilla u can do 8 ic mediums haha

i think it could be usable as liek canada or smth

[marsh ravine]

Is it even good stats?

[vital owl]

decent stats for ic

[marsh ravine]

I mean I've done a Canada tank build before u get like 16 by 41 iirx

[marsh ravine]

Vanilla is just all abt max stats

[vital owl]

true

[vital owl]

16 tank divs?

what template

[marsh ravine]

Yes

36w

Wait no that was with saf annexed

[vital owl]

oh

[marsh ravine]

So I think it was closer to 12

Without sad

In testbuikd

[vital owl]

thats still good

[marsh ravine]

It was a cooked buuod

Where i had 8 tds

8 howi med (not spg)

And click tanks and inf like a goblin

Somehow worked

[vital owl]

wdym

u mixed them?

or 2 diff divs

[marsh ravine]

2 diff divs

[vital owl]

@marsh ravine

[marsh ravine]

BASED

[vital owl]

tahts on a small river