hoi4-general

[misty fossil]

a roach infestation in the walls

or bed bugs idk

[sudden thistle]

Uhhhh

Bedbugs are harder to get out

[clear dagger]

free food

[misty fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1198738993433542778/1381867743472517120/image0.gif

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[misty fossil]

democracy manifest

[serene token]

Is that the ghoul from the Fallout TV show?

[raw dirge]

Guys do yall think we’re going backwards as a civilization? And what would the main problem be

[serene token]

Yes, and I dunno.

[raw dirge]

What makes you think so

[misty fossil]

yep

[misty fossil]

me when i buy into the fearmongering

technologically theres no such thing as going backwards at this stage

cultural matters can not and must not be viewed in a linear paradigm

because theres no such thing as cultural development

the same way we imagine gdp development as a quantifiable thing

i think?

because culture is an abstract thing that is built out of abstract variables and qualities

and you're trying to measure it against your own abstract standards

your mom

[thick oxide]

Ong?

sad day

[raw dirge]

Yeah but, I also mean to add the wars, the polarization between media, unsustainable living as we are beyond earths bio capacity, and also mention the political factors like radicalisation

Besides I mean it as a civilization, not purely as culture

[misty fossil]

have you looked at the early 20th century

it produced men the like of thomas midgley jr and companies such as dupont or monsanto

[raw dirge]

Good point

[misty fossil]

we also observed that in 1920s-30s germany and italy

[raw dirge]

Although now we have mega corporations with the power to influence and reach even beyond

[misty fossil]

theres a documentary on mussolini on youtube

[misty fossil]

standard oil:

[serene token]

Technically by the use of nuclear weapons, or a EMP

[misty fossil]

hence at this stage

we only have one example of someone voluntarily giving up on technology (ted kaczynsky)

as far as i know of

[serene token]

Like Monks

[misty fossil]

monks still use iphones

at least vietnamese ones i know of

[serene token]

Really?

Wow

[misty fossil]

you can always pay them a visit and see for yourself

[serene token]

I would also like to point out that the Internet infrastructure is super weak.

[raw dirge]

Yeah

[serene token]

Hence why Cyber Security is needed.

[raw dirge]

Isis with twitter

[misty fossil]

its called m: son of the century

[hoary mortar]

yeah

[serene token]

I'm going into the field, but I don't understand anything about it.

[raw dirge]

But that would make people weak infront of people who claim to be restricting bad speeches and that can be masked as authoritarianism

[raw dirge]

It’s great

[misty fossil]

all i know is we must not tolerate people who exploit free speech to platform their right wing extremist rhetorics

[serene token]

Cyber Security is to protect someone from getting hacked.

[misty fossil]

gotta give them the stick

[raw dirge]

Or left

[misty fossil]

im fine with left people

im from a communist country after all

[raw dirge]

Ik but could also be related

[raw dirge]

And that’s wrong

And that can also be argued

Since there’s no real truth

[misty fossil]

leftism is a spectrum

that i can tell you

[raw dirge]

So Stalinism is a part of that spectrum?

[misty fossil]

also we're getting political here so we should probably bring this elsewhere

[raw dirge]

True

[serene token]

We pretty much fill holes in soft ware so viruses don't get in, and strengthen the code for it to happen less and less.

[raw dirge]

But still all infrastructure either cybernetic or physical can be trespassed

[misty fossil]

better than pol pot's communism for sure

and stalinism is already bad enough

im glad vietnam is at least liberal enough to make peoples lives comfortable

[near schooner]

now there are two polands

[misty fossil]

prepare for the second european war

they get a lot of buffs

[serene token]

Yes, but we are preventing it from becoming super bad.

[near schooner]

communism shouldnt be authoritarian

[near schooner]

theres two?

welp this one was really easy

[serene token]

Like the ILOVEYOU virus.

[near schooner]

idk why their troops so bad

[misty fossil]

they wont be next time

[hoary mortar]

yeah

[near schooner]

ZA RODINU!

[hoary mortar]

Anyways goodluck with HOI, cya!

[near schooner]

beautiful

wut

[serene token]

Huh

[misty fossil]

what the hell

[serene token]

They are probably changing back from Capitalism to Communism.

[misty fossil]

mb

[serene token]

Your good

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/he-did-it-gif-25741033

[near schooner]

no i actually had a full war with nato

except the us

[serene token]

So the focus is recovery?

[near schooner]

yup

althought i wasnt really affected by the war but the mod is scripted like that

[serene token]

Oh

[near schooner]

how all "democracies" hate me (im the real democracy)

[serene token]

What does the USA look like?

[near schooner]

theyre in a civil war since 2021

excuse me what

[simple marsh]

Hello!! I am looking to make a mentor friend who is willing to help me learn the game longterm through coop playing together 😄

[clear dagger]

my starting subs have seen some shit

[serene token]

Did they fight the Kraken?

[clear dagger]

they sunk 500 convoys of the royal navy

[serene token]

Close enough

[clear dagger]

oh also italy somehow took like 70% of africa

[serene token]

Yeesh

[near schooner]

werent they supposed to turn socialist?

[trail beacon]

can someone smarter than me explain why china is a diff colour today?

(i have r56 isntalled)

[clear dagger]

for a second i thought china was an island lol

but its just french land

[buoyant heath]

maybe rt56 did that

[near schooner]

i thought russia was the sea

[kind vale]

Are the focus trees small?

[near schooner]

USSR is the pinnacle of civilizartion

[near schooner]

theyre small but change depending on what happens

[kind vale]

Ahh

I started a game and saw the focus trees were tiny😭

[near schooner]

at first i thought the same

[kind vale]

My first thoughts were "ima play as the usa and do fun shit" then I turned the game off bc the trees were tiny😭

I went and started playing MD

[near schooner]

i like md but for me it lacks more things to do

i played with china until 2015 and i basically did nothing lol

[kind vale]

It's kinda slow tbh

[near schooner]

slow in what sense

lag or long focuses?

i hate 70 days focuses

[kind vale]

I started ww3 as the usa bc a tiny county in csto got rid of their debt

[near schooner]

[kind vale]

The years go by slower than in the base game

[near schooner]

yea

[kind vale]

I hope it gets an update with more content for 2014-2035

[near schooner]

and less 70 day focus 😭

[kind vale]

Yeah😭

Im not tryna wait 500 days for 1 steel

[near schooner]

five 70 day focuses just to unlock a decision that takes 90 days😭

[kind vale]

It's so long yet so short

[near schooner]

good ig

now the three superpowers are socialist

[kind vale]

GOD DAMNIT

[near schooner]

but im the only good one

sadly the americans took the jacobinist path

but nvm

[kind vale]

Did they do the 2020-2024 president path

[gusty oracle]

hello princess

[near schooner]

they had a civil war with like more than 30 different micronations

[kind vale]

Yup definitely bid en

[near schooner]

i think it doesnt matter what way u take

a civil war would happen

[kind vale]

Every path leads to a civil war?

[near schooner]

yup i think

[kind vale]

Damn

Guess ima play em all

[uncut heath]

r u playing the fire rises?

[near schooner]

yup

[uncut heath]

i am hopping on fire rises

but idk what country to play as

[near schooner]

mmm play with japan

[uncut heath]

i just finished my ussr campaign

[split bane]

Play a wholesome European democracy

[uncut heath]

med?

[split bane]

?

[uncut heath]

yk med the democratic guy

[split bane]

Who's med?

[uncut heath]

the succesor

of

[split bane]

Bro I don't play tfr I just watch the occasional video about it

[uncut heath]

@near schooner have u ever played russian empire ?

[near schooner]

nope

in vanilla?

[uncut heath]

no in tfr

[near schooner]

theres a russian empire path?

i didnt know

[craggy trail]

The communication device @rustic furnace

[dusky burrow]

RIP communications

[uncut heath]

yea ldpr

u need to wait till the ldpr leader died

[tiny iris]

Do you play that mod more than the vanilla game?

[craggy trail]

It's sort of my home mod so yes

I do have about half of vanilla achivements under my belt

[opal nymph]

I need to know the reference for this

It has to be a reference right?

[tiny iris]

Why is there an achiement for nuking Sweden as Denmark?

[gusty oracle]

hi

[tiny iris]

I guess its because their the countries who have been to war the most with eahother, their rivalship expands hundreds of hundreds of years.

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/my-little-pony-rex-mlp-ok-who-knows-gif-12173893

[split bane]

Because there's an achievement for nuking Denmark as Sweden

[wraith mauve]

Is right or left better in grand battle plan

For germany

[split bane]

I'd say right side

[wraith mauve]

Ok Ty

[kind vale]

🤨🤨

[tiny iris]

Don't have GBP as Germany, pleaseeeeeeeee.

[kind vale]

Nuh uh

Left better

[wraith mauve]

Why

[kind vale]

Ignore then

[wraith mauve]

Im playing monarch germany

Cus it’s fun

[tiny iris]

Its not an defensive nation, its the most powerful country in the game besides the U.S, you don't need to dig trenches.

[wraith mauve]

It’s for planning bonus not trenches bro

[kind vale]

Use gbp left then

[wraith mauve]

Then what do I use

[sharp sierra]

whats the best doctinr then

[kind vale]

Id use gbp left tbh its the best doctrine

[remote quarry]

left

[wraith mauve]

Usually I don’t prioritize mechanized tho

[kind vale]

Definitely GBP

[remote quarry]

the only option

[sharp sierra]

i know im asking him

[tiny iris]

SP is what I use, tho you could use MW.

[sharp sierra]

hell probably say mobile warfare for germany or something

[kind vale]

Neither do I but it gives the most planing and best tactic

[tiny iris]

No, not GBP.

[sharp sierra]

y

[kind vale]

SP?

[tiny iris]

SF*

[kind vale]

Okay you suck at the game got it

[remote quarry]

all the doctrines(except mass mob) has equal offensive tactic

you always pick breakthrough

oh also except mobile

[tiny iris]

Brother, Bitt3rsteel also use it. Does he suck too?

[sharp sierra]

yea

[tiny iris]

Pretty sure that was in his GWR stream.

[remote quarry]

SFP is fine for tanks

[sharp sierra]

that was a vanilla hungary game

[remote quarry]

the issue is when you make templates like this

sfp would be significantly worse than gbp

[tiny iris]

Ok, well. He seems good for single player anyways.

[remote quarry]

if you ever have a slight thought of using line artillery, go gbp left

all other options are significantly worse

[kind vale]

I use line arty in my offensive infantry

[sharp sierra]

yea these things all work and its not woth bickering about most of the time but dont start vehemently disagreeing with things

[kind vale]

With gbp left

[remote quarry]

then go gbp yes

honestly if you know how to get breakthrough artillery is not that terrible

[kind vale]

Always do i dont use anything else

[kind vale]

I use tanks for breaking through, mostly light tanks cuz I cant get mediums that fast somehow but the lights work

[sharp sierra]

paradox plz buff arty

[kind vale]

Frrrr

I use the howitzer for my small tanks

[tiny iris]

Arty is great. Especially for minors who can't produce alot of tanks.

[remote quarry]

that's the beginning of the wrong line of thinking

next step is probably going SFP

[tiny iris]

It works for me anyways.

[kind vale]

The first step in the wrongs of the game is SF

[remote quarry]

they should rename it to like superior support company or something lol

so people won't use artillery with it

[kind vale]

Anything is better than SF

[craggy trail]

Mmm not really although she does at one occasion use a speakerphone in the show

[kind vale]

Ill take no doctrine over SF

[dusky burrow]

Sheep's Mod?

[clear dagger]

yea

[craggy trail]

I'm appreciating Grand Battle Plan a lot more these days. There's just something about having high planning bonus that makes it really fun

[rough pond]

can Iran just swap sides mid war?

[urban ivy]

i doubt that

[rough pond]

I was mid war with iran in my faction, then iran just suddenly became uk's puppet

leaving my entire mountaineer force trapped

[eternal palm]

Sometimes, when the Anglo-Soviet invasion ends, Iran caps and becomes a puppet

[rough pond]

iran hasn't capped yet

enemy was nowhere near tehran

[eternal palm]

Weird then

[rough pond]

I hate ironman

im never grinding for an achievement again

[eternal palm]

That my friend is a skill issue

[rough pond]

but then again, maybe fighting soviet union, allies and axis at the same time isn't the best idea

lol

oh wait

im at peace with allies now

finally

or not

is this salvagable?

[dusky burrow]

Yeah they can

It's a focus to surrender

And then become a puppet of the invaders

[rough pond]

how do I avoid them doing that?

[dusky burrow]

Since Iran has so many victory points on its borders, you basically can't take one step back

[primal timber]

don' think i can core bavaria

[dusky burrow]

Oh IDK about Austria

I thought that said Bohemia and not Bavaria at first

Whoops, ignore me

[primal timber]

i think you can get claims or sth on bavaria with the austro-fascist path

not A-H it seems like

since i can't get cores on them

i could probably just release them as a puppet

and get these absolutely

hysterical names

uhuh

right

so can i just take a handful of provinces off of them

[dusky burrow]

No

You have to full annex

Or maybe you can via focus

[primal timber]

thought it would be funny to just steal everything north and east of the po

[dusky burrow]

Well it would be

I think austria-hungary does get cores on there

[primal timber]

i think the hungarian path does

not sure about the austrian one

[ebon rover]

Do you know a method to make the colonies rebel to their owners?

[primal timber]

it does look like failing eisenstadt can give you claims on italy

and silesia apparently

anyways

problem right now is i need transylvania

but the romanians exist

[tepid moon]

What is Poland gonna do?

[primal timber]

and they're guaranteed by these fellas

[tepid moon]

Yeah, they might do something

[clear dagger]

another half million gone

[primal timber]

the romanians seem

keen

on flipping to fascist

i don't think they'll lose their guarantees though

i am in the allies but i'm not sure what that'll do for me

[finite plume]

If they join a faction you're not in then the guarantees vanish

[primal timber]

tension is 100% right now

and

ignore that

[finite plume]

Idk why Asian factions always end up in the Benelux

[primal timber]

if i had to guess they'll join what's left of mitteleuropa

[finite plume]

I once had Belgium in the Co-Prosperity pact

[finite plume]

Is Mitteleuropa fascist or non-algined

aligned*

Mb am sleepy 🥀

[primal timber]

non-aligned

romania is still non-aligned as far as i can tell

yeah

[finite plume]

Is there any major fascist factions

Or have you killed them already

[primal timber]

just the sphere

the romanians are stacking quite a handful of divs on the border

so i don't think we're making it through just yet

[finite plume]

My best guesses are:

1. They join Germany (Likely via focus either by them or Germany)
2. They join Japan (Probably through mutual war)
3. They do nothing

[primal timber]

looks like they will join germany

ill let the french deal with that though

not exactly what i was expecting

either way its an excuse to go up to war economy

[gilded dagger]

Its true

[eternal palm]

It literally isnt 💀

[primal timber]

i think churchill needs to calm down on the beers theres no way he would allow this to actually happen

[autumn drift]

so theoretically you can build one type surface fleet just from the light cruisers equipped with 150mm light guns and torpedoes, although probbaly you should move torps to dds and have those to counter subs

[drifting kiln]

allow what

[eternal palm]

Smh u clearly dont know churchill. He doesnt drink beer. He gets up, starts with a brandy

[gilded dagger]

Bruhh No One plays Democratic

Well expect for me

[eternal palm]

That is exactly what I'm saying

[eternal palm]

Except*

[primal timber]

just remembered my navy is

non-existant

and also have a singular dockyard

[autumn drift]

would be much easier if they would fix super duper dutch decisions to annex belgium and luxemburg as right now you release belgish congo.... dlc interoperability at best

[primal timber]

actually if i annex hungary do i get horthy as an admiral

[gilded dagger]

you spitting facts

[primal timber]

i think you do

[eternal palm]

lol

[eternal palm]

if road didnt change anything, you do

[primal timber]

and

the hell's going on here

[gilded dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[drifting kiln]

out of all the paths you chose the british raj one??

[primal timber]

absolutely ridiculous encirclement

[eternal palm]

Why do you have light tanks and cav 💀

[primal timber]

forgot i had cavalry

anways

gonna start annexing bohemia and hungary

[autumn drift]

anyway it feels so shit that i need heavy ships to screen carriers... from other heavy ships... like if carrier would be ever in the range....

well most cost effective is some kind of heavy with BC armor 1

with just one heavy turret, i mean one heavy battery... that can even be 3 double gun turrets

[eternal palm]

Since when do u need capitals to screen carriers lol.

u need screens for ur capitals and carriers are only ever in range when both lines before it die

and if that happens u already lost so building empty capitals to specifically screen your carriers makes no sense

[primal timber]

looks like you get cores on them

sweet

[autumn drift]

**Heavy guns: **can target the first two non-empty groups (from wiki), so if your capital row is empty, it will target carrier line

[eternal palm]

Just make sure you first screen line doesnt die

Cheaper and better

[primal timber]

just got like

20 factories

[eternal palm]

And that is screens and capitals, not carriers so make sure u have 2 lines

That doesnt mean u need empty capitals like u need roach dds

if 1 screening line dies u are losing anyhow, so investing into the first line makes more sense

[autumn drift]

if capital group is empty, then second non empty group is carrier group

[eternal palm]

I got that

So make sure if u have carriers also have other capitals, that does not mean that empty bcs are a good idea

[gilded dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-cringe-gif-26633208

top five Femboy Hoi4 nations Now

[gilded dagger]

Lol

[eternal palm]

ts lowkey looks like ur pfp 💀

[primal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-ben-stiller-meme-gif-27253399

[gilded dagger]

Cuz I'm gay and a Femboy

[gilded dagger]

My Fav gif mate

[eternal palm]

Alr thats fair

[gilded dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/maid-gif-22690065

Why ofc

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-avengers-endgame-tony-stark-iron-man-i-am-iron-man-gif-23779680

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/zov-cute-kitten-cat-kitty-gif-14397510677465803539

[gilded dagger]

No your Stalin

[eternal palm]

I'm pretty sure thats the monopoly guy

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[gilded dagger]

Communist monopoly mates

[eternal palm]

See I knew Stalin was a cool guy. He played monopoly like nobody else. He killed all the capitalists

[gilded dagger]

\

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-monopoly-dance-gif-20198925

[primal timber]

i have a few questions

[autumn drift]

oh you were saying that i should build best damage sponge possible and that isnt battlecruiser without nothing...

[gilded dagger]

AYOOOOOOOOOO

WHAT

[eternal palm]

Build actual Battleships, yes

SHBB is good too if u start early enough

[autumn drift]

it is funny how naval combat system force you to building capital ships

[eternal palm]

This is like the communist government of Grenada still recognising Lizzie Number 2 as head of state 💀

[primal timber]

i'll be taking that thank you very much

oh and these as well

[autumn drift]

that thing is so cost uneffective... just build BCs

[primal timber]

gang i literally have zero semblance of a navy im taking anything i can

[gilded dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/shower-soap-friendly-reminder-you-stink-gif-15157732979346099491

just a Reminder

[eternal palm]

Says the literal femboy 💀

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/shower-duolingo-please-take-a-shower-immediately-take-a-shower-gif-23968576

[eternal palm]

Whens the last time u went out side

[autumn drift]

panzershiff hull is unavailable to all nations except germany.. .that thing cost nearly as heavy hull... just for some extra range and shitty armor...but if you really want, you can reverse engineer them

[primal timber]

good enough

[gilded dagger]

WHAT

[gilded dagger]

I have a Pool man

I go outside all the time

[clear dagger]

do you clean it

[gilded dagger]

yes

Bruh

[clear dagger]

with what

[gilded dagger]

a Net

[eternal palm]

he has a maidoutfit, he cleans in that

[primal timber]

austria-hungary is famously not a very seafaring nation like im taking any boat i can

[gilded dagger]

ahhh too bad I can't swear

[clear dagger]

shit

[eternal palm]

Highly unfortunate

[gilded dagger]

thats not what I want to say mate

[clear dagger]

ik

[gilded dagger]

I have been caught tho in 4k

[primal timber]

finally try and replace these

horrible light tanks

[eternal palm]

Improved chassis

[autumn drift]

true, just dont build more of them... by editing designs of captured ships, you can start producing more of them... what is super way to kickstart navy, just panzershiff is really bad in term of resources

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[eternal palm]

...You mean reffiting ships?

Thats kinda unecessary

[primal timber]

i just looked at what i have

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-hat-stressed-gif-4169374028274866451

yeah im refitting these

[eternal palm]

This unironically isnt bad wdym

[autumn drift]

perfect AA sponge

[eternal palm]

Keep it lmao

[autumn drift]

good design i agree

[primal timber]

okay this just looks like the normal destroyers i use

no sonar though

probably shove one in

[blissful gust]

guys where can i find TR+ mod

[autumn drift]

if you refit captured ship, you can produce brand new ones of same design..

if you dont have any naval techs

it is good way to start production while you research more

[eternal palm]

No shot?

So u can basically skip research?

[primal timber]

i have no idea where i got 200 naval and air xp

i barely have an air force

and the navy was non-existant

[autumn drift]

yeah kind of

i was playing austrian and hungarians runs like here silly cowboy in last weeks

😄

and i did exactly like him in terms of ships

[primal timber]

right ill have to

start from scratch here

zero starting naval tech because austria famously is landlocked

[autumn drift]

it is not so bad

take one of the ships you got

from peace deal

[primal timber]

i just remembered horthy was an admiral and he's leading a landlocked nation

[autumn drift]

i mean he got the title when hungary had sea

😄

oh good old times

anyway

click on one of the ships you took from enemy

[primal timber]

problem right now is my glaring lack of dockyards

[autumn drift]

that is what croatia is for

[primal timber]

can't take friuli off the italians even though they're my puppet

[primal timber]

right i'll have to

annex hungary for that

i did also take istria

[autumn drift]

if you upgrade aa on one of your ships, you can save the desing and produce more of them.... gl

[primal timber]

well that's just dandy

[autumn drift]

which mode do you play ?

[void raft]

Is the un part of man the guns or road to 56?

[primal timber]

i don't get cores on all of hungary for some reason

will probably have to figure that out

theres usually the

button to make a formable

which gives you core on a bunch of stuff

i think i need to do

a few other things

[clear dagger]

that border

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-just-right-so-good-yes-emperors-new-groove-gif-6584923

[primal timber]

im telling you i swore china was yellow when i started

[rough pond]

rt56?

[robust basalt]

u tweaking vro

[robust basalt]

it was always like that

[eternal palm]

R56, the UN isnt a thing in vanilla

[primal timber]

typical soviet L

now uhhh

how do i core all of hungary

[eternal palm]

doesnt road have a dumb coring button?

[primal timber]

usually you get a big button for formables

i don't have it this time though

so i have to deal with this

right this thing exists

[void raft]

oki

[gilded dagger]

How many hours you got on Hoi4?

[void raft]

439

[gilded dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-are-you-sure-hmmm-ryan-reynolds-deadpool-gif-16768033426439603915

alr Hes one of us

[void raft]

oookay bro

[clear dagger]

how many do you have as luxembourg

https://tenor.com/view/nuts-anton-cigurh-no-country-for-old-men-gif-27499167

[gilded dagger]

I have about ten hours playing as Luxembourg

[gilded dagger]

Ay I gotta Make sure

[cursive oxide]

How I drop a nuke in vanilla hoi4?

[eternal palm]

Nuclear raid

[cursive oxide]

How ?

[eternal palm]

right side of ur screen should be a nuclear symbol

u need a wing of strats deployed to an airport in range

[clear dagger]

how on earth did they invade ireland

https://tenor.com/view/jacksepticeye-scream-screeches-eye-roll-gif-5852266

[cursive oxide]

Lol

[gilded dagger]

the Nostalgia there

[cursive oxide]

Wtf

[gilded dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-waitaminute-gif-26448308

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-kitkat-break-me-off-a-piece-of-that-kitkat-bar-markiplier-scared-markiplier-camera-gif-6766385274341968274

[eternal palm]

Lobby Terrorism

PDX ought to do something

[ocean obsidian]

Why are there so many?

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-first-galactic-empire-gif-20118688

[void raft]

0

[gilded dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-weak-wimp-weak-sauce-weak-cant-handle-it-gif-13750035

the real question is How many hours you got on Lichenstein

[rustic furnace]

The real question is, How many hours you got in EaW

[eternal palm]

I still need to play that

[misty fossil]

the real question is, do you have a girlfriend

[eternal palm]

And make funny 1k hp mech

[misty fossil]

or boyfriend

[eternal palm]

Or both, hey we dont judge

[rustic furnace]

Whats that

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/byakuya-food-bleach-eat-hungry-gif-5839099

[misty fossil]

me when i have to invade AZIR

[eternal palm]

Physically impossible, all hoi4 players are less than 120cm tall

[urban ivy]

bruh what

[eternal palm]

Puppet gaming lmaoooo

[urban ivy]

why didnt u get slovakia

[clear dagger]

not part of my part of the tree

[dry kayak]

i managed to to take half world with Italy, but failed to make greater italy achievement cause the bro Reich didnt want to give me crete.......

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-ron-swanson-screaming-scream-screams-gif-21763857

[eternal palm]

Solution: Kill germany.

[dry kayak]

ehhhh, the other half of the world and allies was with germany

[eternal palm]

ohhh funny late game save

should be simple enough

[dry kayak]

ironman mode 😄

[eternal palm]

And?

What about it being ironman

[dry kayak]

you can make a secondary save

[eternal palm]

What?

[dry kayak]

sorry *can't

[eternal palm]

Yes, I know and what about it?

I play ironman exclusively
if it goes wrong, well thats a skill issue

[dry kayak]

did you fight the Zulu with FW-190s?? lol

[dry kayak]

nah sometimes the AI take decisions that you can't do anything about it

[eternal palm]

.....What does that have to do with you trying to beat germany?

[dry kayak]

germany decided in one year to invade greece and stop

[eternal palm]

What does that have to do with anything????

I dont get what ur trying to say

[dry kayak]

no chances, they had double of the army and allies

[eternal palm]

Doesnt matter if their army is worse than yours, which it probably is

AI doesnt know how to design templates

or ships

or tanks

or anything

AI is so ass

u should be able to beat them given u own half the world

[dry kayak]

with some allies yes, but without them i can't simply match the numbers to cover the frontiers

[eternal palm]

u own half the world and ur telling me u cant deploy enough divisions?

What kind of inf are u using lol

If u need designs and templates I can help u out

[dry kayak]

the quality of the territories matters, the half south of the world has tons of desert or useless areas

[eternal palm]

Show me a map of the world

[dry kayak]

the high industry areas are at north

[eternal palm]

U dont need to cover every front

[void raft]

439-

[eternal palm]

Like just give up africa, but hold stuff like american ,europe and south east asia

[dry kayak]

the issue is not the germany itself

it's all the allies in the world

[sudden grotto]

Aura

[dry kayak]

the cool part of this game rather than early TW games is that the allies really move to attack the enemy

[eternal palm]

How many majors are in the german faction

cant be that many

[sudden grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/nations-of-the-world-by-wakko-warner-animaniacs-gulf-of-america-usa-united-states-canada-mexico-panama-haiti-jamaica-peru-republic-dominican-cuba-caribbean-greenland-gif-16242553305497026975

Them:

[primal timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348640301937590273/1409784061932867614/attachment.gif

[primal timber]

well it does what it says

but i'd rather only core my lands

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-hat-stressed-gif-4169374028274866451

that means ill have to manually core everything through console

[primal timber]

right so

that gave me free 700k manpower and 40 mil facs

[limber jackal]

Where should i hold the germans in as the ussr?

(which rivers cause i forgot)

[sudden thistle]

Molotov line

On the border)

[limber jackal]

why tho

wouldnt it be better

to hide behind a river

in like the stalin line

[sudden thistle]

Why would u give up free land

[limber jackal]

so i can hold off the germans

[sudden grotto]

Stalin line

[limber jackal]

ye see

exactly

[sudden grotto]

Tho i usually keep Odessa and cities near them to make a salient

[sudden thistle]

Ewwwwww

[drifting kiln]

the front line

[sudden thistle]

U have let me down 😔

[drifting kiln]

u dont need to give up any land the ussr aint hard to play

[limber jackal]

thing is ive played the ussr only once

[sudden grotto]

Let me down slowly by alec benjamin?

[sudden thistle]

No

[sudden grotto]

Sadge

Then its Just straight dissapointment

[sudden thistle]

❤️

[drifting kiln]

i never played it and i killed germans by 1943 and only lost like 10 tiles

its really not that hard dude

just spam inf that are not even that good

and build some forts if u want

[honest night]

If it’s singleplayer you can just hold frontline but in multiplayer Stalin line is normally the best line to hold

Don’t reaction my message like that 😠

[drifting kiln]

some people are not good enough to do this so holding urals is the best bet

[sudden thistle]

This guy is a genius

Listen to him

[primal timber]

mr worldwide

[honest night]

Very real

[primal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-gif-9980668056796018353

[drifting kiln]

no politcs in #general pal

[primal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-hat-stressed-gif-4169374028274866451

[drifting kiln]

holding urals aint even a bad idea tho germans wont evewn push past moscow if there is no supply

[honest night]

You lose all of your industry wdym 😭 😭 😭

[primal timber]

putting all your troops in kiev would be a better idea

[drifting kiln]

well yeah but if u just couldnt hold stalin line or anything u could do it

[primal timber]

kid named dnieper

[drifting kiln]

alright class finger dneiper

[limber jackal]

guys, i decided to justify a war goal on turkey and declared on them so i can puppet romania to shortern the frontline. was this a bad idea?

[sudden thistle]

No

[drifting kiln]

yes its like very hard to push into turkey u will have to naval invade them also romania will be hard to kill and u probably wont be able to kill finland they will get garunteed most likely

[limber jackal]

wdym bro

i killed turkey AND romania in like

3 months

[heavy vigil]

No

[drifting kiln]

ok maybe if u made good troops then

[drifting kiln]

what is the world tension?

[limber jackal]

i didnt make any new div templates yet

[limber jackal]

if we exclude the fact i jjust generated 35% out of this, 40%

[drifting kiln]

ok well u cant invade finland now

or u will be at war with the allies

they will still attack u at barb tho

[limber jackal]

do you manually justify your war goals??

against finland??

[drifting kiln]

no bro if u have a wargoal against a country usually uk or france will garuntee them

[sudden thistle]

If u declare quick enough it’s fine

The AI takes a week or so to notice it

[drifting kiln]

u have to do i very quickly in my games not even a day will pass

[sudden grotto]

I Always do that

Free puppets

[limber jackal]

oh

[honest night]

Appreciate the very useful explanation of why you think this doesn’t work

[heavy vigil]

German stats are crazy rn so youre just playing for time

The best way to play for time + make the axis pay attention while d day happens is attacking

[honest night]

You referring to Stalin line hold in mp?

[heavy vigil]

No

You attack

No stalin line

[honest night]

You do 36w bp build?

Or tanks

[heavy vigil]

That used to work before gotterdammerung but its simply too trivial to cross

In pire vanilla you dont have army xp for tank build

Cant finish GBP in time

[honest night]

Yeah meta is mm

[heavy vigil]

Pure*

[honest night]

But not 36w tho

So you don’t bp

[heavy vigil]

35.2

[honest night]

Calling it 36 is easier

I know the doctrine reduces

[heavy vigil]

True

[honest night]

But calling it 36 is easier lol

But meta is 16 w spam not 36 w

[heavy vigil]

For defense yeah

[honest night]

So you hold Stalin like and easy to hold tiles

[heavy vigil]

Thats axis massmob

But thats only rb

[honest night]

If you hold frontline your gonna lose your army

[heavy vigil]

Because of ruleset

Meta is smallest allowed

[honest night]

Most don’t allow lower than like 12

[heavy vigil]

Yh

[honest night]

But Stalin line hold still better imo

[urban ivy]

meta is 35.2 w not 36 not 16

[honest night]

16 is best for defending 36/35.2 for attacking

Meta is 16w spam

[urban ivy]

best defense is

[honest night]

For Soviets

[urban ivy]

35.2 w battleplan

ur enemies run out of manpowe / equipment before you do

[honest night]

Axis has mm minors

[heavy vigil]

Soviet meta in 100% vanilla just isnt to defend

Youll lose

[honest night]

And ger can just do howis tanks or mountaineers

[heavy vigil]

Youll lose faster than if you attack

[urban ivy]

35.2 mass mob / 32.4 mountaineers + air spam

that s ur only shot

[vague comet]

You reckon China will get stronger or more challenging as of now‘s information?

[eternal palm]

In mp, it depends. If u do gbp then u hold frontline since u need planning. If you are not gbp then its some combination of dnieper hold and marsh hold.

[edgy ridge]

is there a point to hold stalin line if mass mob?

I can't really think of one

[eternal palm]

Yeah. You defend on dnieper and go to sleep
Then once u get rid of your bad spirits, or it becomes clear germany is weak, you push

Though if u push ger as mass mob sov ger has serious skill issue

In the current patch, sov dies within 14 months

Defending is literally the only thing you are able to do

[edgy ridge]

you can't really go to sleep on barb tho

[eternal palm]

I'm exaggerating of course

[edgy ridge]

its not like germany will stop attacking when they see the stalin line

[eternal palm]

But holding frontline with mass mob is bad

[edgy ridge]

why

[brittle wave]

Wait I’m new to this game when you play solo games you can pause it whenever you want right

[eternal palm]

Neither did I say that

[brittle wave]

Alr cool

[eternal palm]

Because its better defensive terrain on the river. You buy more time for yourself. Ger needs to build supply, air fields, rails etc

And you can do annoying marsh hold

But maybe dont because youll prob get gomel pocketed lol

[edgy ridge]

thought that the more time you buy by germany needing to walk in tiles while pinned is worth it but makes sense

[lilac jewel]

E

[eternal palm]

Thats a thing you can do sporadically. Like on Grodno, Marsh tile with a river and with any marsh tile before the dieper

hence why marsh hold is a thing

[drifting kiln]

u can just check bro u dont needa waste time asking this

[brittle wave]

I got a response within 10 seconds mate

[eternal palm]

Bro couldve found out by simply pressing the space bar 💀

[drifting kiln]

yea

[brittle wave]

I ain’t got the game yet

[eternal palm]

The amount of messing around in relation to the amount of things found out is extremely low on this server

[drifting kiln]

-_-

[eternal palm]

Then why ask questions about before u got it

[primal timber]

if ww3 starts over eastern poland i swear

[drifting kiln]

buy it on sale dont buy it for 50 bucks its not worth it

[brittle wave]

That’s what I’m doing

[sharp sierra]

at least now he knows how miserable and toxic all hoi4 players are

[drifting kiln]

ok well just learn it then

[brittle wave]

So I know how to play the game buddy😂😂

[primal timber]

like they got all of pomerania and silesia

moscicki should just give up eastern poland

[drifting kiln]

watch some bittersteel vids or something to learn u dont needa ask basic questions like that

[sharp sierra]

you guys could just say yeah you can pause...

[eternal palm]

Whats ur damn problem lol

let mans ask questions

[drifting kiln]

that includes your bro

[eternal palm]

AInt no shame in that

At least he has the courage to ask

[eternal palm]

my brother in christ ur the one talking rn

[drifting kiln]

because i can have a problem i have nothing better to do with my time

[primal timber]

ignore germany being horribly mutilated

[brittle wave]

Can tell

[eternal palm]

Crazy

[drifting kiln]

alright pal

[primal timber]

actually this is giving me a headache

im giving their land back

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/your-not-that-guy-yourenotthatguy-gif-22098263

[drifting kiln]

bro its a wednesday night there is nothing esle to do

i dont have a job or something to be at

[eternal palm]

Yea maybe dont skip school 💀

[sharp sierra]

ive to leave for work in 6 minutes

[primal timber]

im keeping bavaria though

they're mine

[drifting kiln]

im still in school

[eternal palm]

Exactly. Dont skip

so u dont waste ur life and time on this game

being toxic for no reason

[drifting kiln]

bro its 9:25pm i wouldnty be at school if i wasnt skipping idk what your tryna say

[drifting kiln]

you shouldve taken luxembourg and saarland

[primal timber]

im austria

[eternal palm]

Idk what am I tryna say you tell me

Idk

[drifting kiln]

oh

[primal timber]

thats france's problem

[drifting kiln]

why did they give germanys land back?

[eternal palm]

Cant know what time zone ur in

[primal timber]

i made them give back the land because i was getting an eyesore

[drifting kiln]

🤯

[eternal palm]

?

[drifting kiln]

with console commands or something?

[primal timber]

yeah theres a command for that so you don't have to spam setowner

ill let the french keep the saar though

[drifting kiln]

ok saar

[primal timber]

actually

what if i gave the dutch luxembourg

[drifting kiln]

why

that will look bad

[primal timber]

because its funny

[drifting kiln]

is poland also in your faction?

[primal timber]

yeah

[drifting kiln]

did u take silesia?

[primal timber]

no because for whatever reason the game now gives silesia to the poles automatically

and prussia for that matter

[drifting kiln]

are u playing a mod or smth?? never heard of that happening

[primal timber]

oh and they also automatically core it

[primal timber]

the only one i have that would do that is r56

even then its something ive only seen start happening like

last month

[drifting kiln]

idk i played rt56 before but idk if i kileld germany with it

especially in the last month

[primal timber]

i think its because assuming a historical game the poles would be released by the soviets but wouldn't get prussia so they're just tiny

[trim pike]

[primal timber]

problem is that i can guarantee you most games aren't historical

believe me i would've taken silesia if i could

[drifting kiln]

no i think there is the yalta conference mechanic that usually fixes that

although sometimes ai just does what it feels like

[primal timber]

the soviets weren't involved in this

[drifting kiln]

oh yeah

[primal timber]

so it just happened

[drifting kiln]

ok

[primal timber]

cause if they were i would've let them have east germany instead of

me and the french taking the south

would look less of a headache that way

[drifting kiln]

u shouldve just gave them bavaria its look worse without it

or just like puppet everything ig

in like small states

[slim nexus]

hello, i have a question. I didnt play the game for quite a while and im curious if the faction rework has been already implemented.

[edgy ridge]

no

[slim nexus]

damn

is there any info when +/- will it get released?

[sudden grotto]

It comes with the next dlc

There are still soem months to wait

[woven beacon]

How are you ukranian and Turkish at the same time

[heavy vigil]

Be born on the border?

[proud dagger]

Hello

[sudden grotto]

Born in the middle of the black Sea fr fr

[icy crescent]

Hi.

[sudden grotto]

Lad, ethnicity, you know you can get a mother and father of different origins?

[woven beacon]

Ik was just curious

[icy crescent]

People have different views or understanding on having two nationalities.
Some think having a grandpa from Italy makes them Italian even tho they don't speak any.
Some think having a mother from another country is enough to have another nationality.
And some are very bureaucratic and say that when you have the pass of both nations, you have both nationalities.

[eternal palm]

Wah, how else would it happen

[woven beacon]

How do I know xd

[heavy vigil]

Turkey used to have crimea

Maybe hes just really old

[eternal palm]

Does turkey/Ukraine even allow double citizenship?

Turkey does, idk about Ukraine

[icy crescent]

Welcome to the bureaucracy.

[eternal palm]

The turks in the crimea have little to do with the modern Turkish state

[sudden grotto]

In my old citizienship i had ukranian passport and Turkish citienzship lol

[woven beacon]

Wow

[eternal palm]

Oh OK so both allow double citizenship

[woven beacon]

Do you talk both languages?

[sudden grotto]

Hell nawh

[serene token]

Morning

[sudden grotto]

Night

[woven beacon]

Afternoon

[serene token]

How is everyone?

[sudden grotto]

Ye but now that i got the italian citizienship i can have only One

[gilded vessel]

is there a good ww1 mod?

[icy crescent]

Tired. Exhausted.
Unmotivated.

[sudden grotto]

Great war redux

[icy crescent]

But it is Wednesday, my Dudes.

[gilded vessel]

i did try it once and the war never actually happened but ill probably just play that

[serene token]

Same

[gilded vessel]

the only thing i did to affect europe was sending volunteers to bulgaria

[sudden grotto]

It does? Maybe you putted unhist

[serene token]

How long did you play to?

[gilded vessel]

1919

[serene token]

Huh

[vapid bough]

Italy fumbling the bag on historical

only realized this when Ethiopia called for an embargo

its almost 1937

[autumn drift]

so actually fastest ship in the game is modern bb

with nuclear engine

bc armor 1 and heavy battery 1

it can do 48knots

without any MiO or other stuff

[zinc light]

I love how this little focus changes names depending on your ideology

Fascist = KdF (Kraft durch Freude)
Non-Aliged= Kaiser-Wilhelm
Socialist = damn Volkswagen

[sudden grotto]

In the old tree It did the same thing

[zinc light]

very nice detail

[sudden grotto]

Instead of kdf-wagen It switched with kaiser-werke

[zinc light]

and apparently, fascist special scientists dont wanna do the same job in commie germany

dang it

gotta employ new scientists that for some reason all cost 100 PS

although I have none

[serene token]

Oof

I'ma get the DLC's today.

[zinc light]

nice

[serene token]

Indeed.

I'ma probably gonna do the subscription for now.

[trim pike]

U have none of that type

But u have 4 scientists

[zinc light]

the hell

[trim pike]

So its 100pp

If not itll be 25 pp

[zinc light]

why in god's name do I have 8 air scientists

[trim pike]

Air ambitions

[zinc light]

EXCUSE ME

I can't even fire scientists

wtf

BRO'S NAME IS LITERALLY TANK

[snow rain]

why do you want to fire them anyway ?

pp cost won't reset

[zinc light]

how u know

first scientist costs 25

[icy crescent]

Bro wants to take away their Scientist status.

[zinc light]

next 50

[snow rain]

it caps at 150 iirc

then it doesn't go down

nor up, even if scientist disappear

[trim pike]

[trim pike]

No

First 25

Then 50

75

4+ is 100

But no way to fire sadly

[pearl flume]

Never saw this event

[icy crescent]

You get that event relatively often as Romania.

Or at least you should get it often.

Unless you fixed the problem early.

[cursive oxide]

How many transport planes for 6 divisions ?

[icy crescent]

To be allowed to drop paratroopers, you need a minimum of 50.

[ripe slate]

IIRC it also gives mils when at war

@zinc runePlease no modern conflicts in this server

[zinc rune]

but this game is literally about conflicts

[cursive oxide]

WW2 conflicts

Not 2025 conflicts

[zinc rune]

there is no huge difference between conflicts 1940 and conflicts 2025

[ripe slate]

Me neither, but it is in the code

[ripe slate]

In some aspects, indeed, but that doesnt change the fact that we dont want the chat to get heated over modern politics, especially since this is a PG13 server

[proud dagger]

[ripe slate]

[icy crescent]

We got some rage baiters over here.

[proud dagger]

[icy crescent]

[cursive oxide]

How to para drop a UK ?

[zinc light]

there's several?

[icy crescent]

Get air superiority in the drop zone, starting zone and water (or whatever zones your transport planes have to cross).
Get paratroopers. And at least 50 transport planes. And enough fighters.

[icy crescent]

Nice.

Don't forget to add your Dockyards to repairing ones.

[silent oxide]

those arent repairing. those are subs in a base somewhere

[icy crescent]

Yeah, no.
But when war breaks out.

[heavy vigil]

Hi kongou whats up

[silent oxide]

war has already broken out and i have like 100 dockyards on repair

[silent oxide]

howdy

[uncut pollen]

Hello Casey!!!

[icy crescent]

Omg, it is Casey.

[uncut pollen]

And kongou!!!

[silent oxide]

how goes it

[heavy vigil]

Sorry for my one (1) day relative inactivity i was playing SFS

[silent oxide]

unacceptable

[icy crescent]

We forgive you.
Give us your liver. 🗿

[silent oxide]

(this is the first time i have looked at the chats in like a month)

[cursive oxide]

This wil work right?

[silent oxide]

have they done the focus?

(do they have the surrender modifier)

[cursive oxide]

What focus?

In non Ironman this works

[cursive oxide]

?

[icy crescent]

If France has the one spirit, that reduces their surrender limit, you can easily capitulate France, yes.

[cursive oxide]

The have

Disjointed government

[icy crescent]

That's what Kongou was trying to ask.