hoi4-general

[sacred breach]

Road to 56?

[grizzled zenith]

There are a lot of good ones there isn't the best mod

R56 is fun

[sacred breach]

And millinuem dawn

Spelling

😭

[grizzled zenith]

I don't like MD

[sacred breach]

Why

[grizzled zenith]

It is very slow, and it's systems suck

[sacred breach]

When will they update the original great war mod

[grizzled zenith]

And boring

Nothing ever happens

[sudden thistle]

germany is more french than german

[gleaming fern]

I mistook this for France turning fascist and successfully invading Germany with the help of the British

[sudden thistle]

tf will bro do

[tepid moon]

Switzerland peace deal

[paper echo]

Chat In 4th of the month we'll have a new dev vlog 🔥

[kind vale]

It's American land give it back

[jolly kettle]

Why did I not know there was a green Poland

[green sleet]

Guys is it possible to just spam inf in sp

And how many tank divs should i use in an army

[jolly kettle]

It’s possible to do anything in sp

[sudden thistle]

No

[jolly kettle]

Especially if you don’t mind not earning achievements

[sudden thistle]

Yes

I’m literally doing a mostly inf world conquest right now

[kind vale]

Im sending a freedom dorito to bomb you

[green sleet]

I am using ussr and i think i will try it

Got enough manpower to not worry about anything

And eqp is very easy to make and artys are very easy to produce too

Is anti tanks worth it?

[heavy vigil]

whats artillery for

[remote quarry]

no

[heavy vigil]

battleplan russia build has a meta

[green sleet]

Support

[heavy vigil]

oh yeah thats fine

[green sleet]

And maybe i will add two tameplates or is it not worth it?

I will use the brick formation

[sudden thistle]

Tameplates

?

[green sleet]

Of artys i mean

[green sleet]

Someone recommended this to me a while ago and i use occasionally

I just replace ats with artys

[remote quarry]

yeah

and replace logi with flame tank if you get it

wait there's no AA

[bronze mango]

not enough infantry

[remote quarry]

replace it with anti air then

[green sleet]

Ok

Is it reliable tho?

[heavy vigil]

more is detrimental

[bronze mango]

you dont say

[heavy vigil]

no like because of width

[bronze mango]

that division is already pretty much pointless

[heavy vigil]

in general more units in offensive divs is always better because oh hp

of*

its a rlly good division

[unreal narwhal]

Hello

[bronze mango]

right...

[green sleet]

So to answer my question its reliable

[heavy vigil]

like genuinely it is really good

[remote quarry]

wdym reliable?

[green sleet]

Like i can just use without having problems in the future

[remote quarry]

in general, it matters very little what template you use as long as it's reasonable

idk what you mean exactly

[green sleet]

Like i wont have to change it for any reason?

[sudden thistle]

How

[remote quarry]

no

or like

to give you the correct idea, changing your template, for the most part, would not really affect your game in any significant way

like you can remove 5 infantry from the template, and... nothing would happen

what matters are the other stuff if you are doing them correctly

[fallow grove]

Why im running out off fuel all the timeeee

[remote quarry]

(this btw is significantly different from other aspect of the game where the design really matters like air design navy design or tank design)

[green sleet]

Like the war plans?

[fallow grove]

Don’t do war plans

[bronze mango]

wait ive just noticed, how is the combat with that low? regardless, it seems far to expensive and has mostly useless support companies

[fallow grove]

Focus on the political branch then army then air and navy

[sudden falcon]

why is there an event for the alpine federation taking budapest but not for berlin or rome

[green sleet]

I wont use tanks
Navy isn't very significant in ussr
Air is the only problem

[green sleet]

Just an offensive line?

[heavy vigil]

mass mob doctrine

[fallow grove]

Just get more divisions than your enemy

And you will win

[green sleet]

Its that simple ig

[fallow grove]

Yes

[bronze mango]

not even a real doctrine

[heavy vigil]

?

its one of the two best ones

[fallow grove]

Mass assault left

[heavy vigil]

right side*

left side would have like 1 less inf

[fallow grove]

And you can spam infantry as much as u want

[bronze mango]

like historically it wasnt even an actual doctrine

[fallow grove]

It also gives nice recruitbable pop

[bronze mango]

there should be like a "Guerilla" doctrine instead

[heavy vigil]

basically none of the hoi doctrines are real

[fallow grove]

If u want historical then pick mobile warfare and pick volksturm 😹

[bronze mango]

that is franky pretty true

[fallow grove]

In fact if a major invade your cores I believe there is a decision to raise volksturm units

Not sure tho

[heavy vigil]

uk has that

germany doesnt

[remote quarry]

well that's one part but you should always have that

[bronze mango]

if you say x thing then do this tangentially related thing

[remote quarry]

im more talking about like, if you have a industry, if you researched guns, how many divisions you have(which turns out to be, well, super important)

[lapis snow]

the doctrines are just a kludge of a bunch of stuff to make 8 approximate """playstyles""" to differentiate some of the majors

[fallow grove]

Also depends the country

[lapis snow]

its complete crack-smoke

[fallow grove]

Some countries can field like a lot of units while others can’t

[green sleet]

Ikr

[fallow grove]

China can field 800 divisions or even more

Ussr and us can also field a lot of units

The rest of countries are more limited

[green sleet]

Yes i think i shoul take advandatge of that

[remote quarry]

if you do it correctly, it's very hard to lose the game no matter what template you use

[sudden thistle]

What about superior firepower

[remote quarry]

even doctrine is not that important in this respect

[fallow grove]

But if u wanna field infinite divisions

[heavy vigil]

i love mobile warfare is the no damage orgwall doctrine then i love that superior firepower is the one for when you have a lot of manpower to throw away and i love how grand battleplan is the doctrine for tank stats and special forces stats and i love love how mass mobilization doctrine is for when you have to preserve manpower

[haughty gulch]

rate my third balgurian empire

[fallow grove]

Play China

[sudden thistle]

I mean they are closely related but not exact

[heavy vigil]

because the naming is so logical

[fallow grove]

Whatever China works

[lapis snow]

ISP got the game to crash by recruiting 10k divs

[fallow grove]

I once unified China in mp and joined Comintern

Had like 700 divisions

And I stalled the game

[bronze mango]

peak

[lapis snow]

I love it when the devs completely misunderstand their own game systems (or maybe its deliberate, who knows)

[lapis snow]

you mean trash

[fallow grove]

Mobile warfare is not a combat doctrine is a doctrine that will allow your tanks to make a hole in enemy lines and then use motorized units with very high org to run across their whole country

[heavy vigil]

if i wrote that in a more understanding/teaching tone i could pin it to ask for help,,,,

[lapis snow]

you would expect that, yes

[heavy vigil]

or someone else

[bronze mango]

if you like pain, by all means

[lapis snow]

nah, I think you just need it in infographic format

like a big stupid labels meme

[heavy vigil]

thats so much effort

[lapis snow]

its fine, 10 mins of MS paint and it'll be beautiful

[heavy vigil]

would somehow cost me like 20

[fallow grove]

In my opinion
Mobile warfare: tries to make hole in enemy lines and use high speed motorized units to run into victory points
Superior firepower if you need crazy amounts of soft attack
Grand battle plan is the best just because the planning itself it gives the highest stats however you can always prevent that by going aggressive and not letting them battle plan
Mass assault is just to throw endless infantry without depleting the manpower pool but gives poor stats

[lapis snow]

lmao, that's what the game wants you to think

as Casey explained, they're almost all opposite to what they describe

[fallow grove]

Is true tho grand battle plan gives the better stats

[remote quarry]

this is what paradox think

[fallow grove]

Thanks to the planning bonus

[lapis snow]

yes, but the rest is wrong

[remote quarry]

but the issue is that the game is not designed this way

[lapis snow]

like badly

[remote quarry]

speed doesn't work because there's this thing called supply that would make everything 1km/h if you don't follow railway lines

[fallow grove]

Well mobile warfare is useless unless u a pro fuhrer

[remote quarry]

mass assult in fact have one of the highest stats because of how powerful combat width reduction is

on infantry

[fallow grove]

But the issue is in mp it won’t work because you will get overrun by tanks

[lapis snow]

SFP is straight bad, doesn't preserve men and doesn't give good stats

[lapis snow]

it's one of the top MP picks

[fallow grove]

I don’t see a lot of people win with that tbh

[remote quarry]

you would imagine

[fallow grove]

Because at some point the other player gets enough tanks

[lapis snow]

doesn't matter

[heavy vigil]

you attack

or defend infinitely

on mass mob

[fallow grove]

Versus tanks it will drain the manpower insanely fast

[heavy vigil]

then you play terrible lobbies

[neat kayak]

And the majors are done

[lapis snow]

no it wont

[neat kayak]

Germany was really nice to return

it gave me a nice break from everything

i will do columbia next and then start with the minor nations and their dlcs

first being tfv

[fallow grove]

Also not to consider if the enemy goes into defensive and places forts

That doctrine has no means to deal with that

[lapis snow]

you use support companies for that

flame tank go brrrr

[fallow grove]

Flame tank does nothing if the fort is higher than level 5

😹

[snow rain]

that absolutely not true

[heavy vigil]

fort higher than 5 is troll anyway

[heavy vigil]

but even then

[sudden falcon]

blame the achievement

[heavy vigil]

attack from multiple angles

forts are useless

[fallow grove]

I saw people stalling lobbies with level 10 forts

[lapis snow]

nothing they've been saying has been correct for the past 20 minutes

lol

[snow rain]

or use railway guns
tanks and engineer companies

[heavy vigil]

yeah in again terrible lobbies

theres a big difference between casual mp, casual competative, and competative mp

[remote quarry]

manpower is like least of the concerns

[snow rain]

flame tank gives huge bonuses as well
3 of these and you get through lvl 10 forts easily

[fallow grove]

How do u deal with a level 10 fort

[heavy vigil]

in comp mp is where metas are typically made

[green sleet]

Wait so i can ues machanized and motorized inf too?

[heavy vigil]

attack from multiple angles + air or just go around

no one has that much construction IC

[fallow grove]

Comp mp bans high level forts 😹

[heavy vigil]

or their army sucks

[remote quarry]

unless you have a whole line of level 10 forts (which is not even possible now)

[green sleet]

Or just stick to foot soldiers

[fallow grove]

And makes other stupid rules

[heavy vigil]

they do not

[remote quarry]

they can't do anything

[lapis snow]

trying to argue that the high HP and 5% recruitable doctrine is a manpower drain is amazing tbh

[remote quarry]

even level 10 forts are easily breakable

[snow rain]

railway gun (20% reduction of fort) + flame tank (25%) + engineer company lvl 2 (20%) + tanks (20%) and there is no fort anymore, attack from different angles or CAS and you're through like nothing was there to begin with

[fallow grove]

You know people does defend forts with real units?

[heavy vigil]

yeah

[remote quarry]

and?

[snow rain]

doesn't matter if there is no fort buff

[remote quarry]

what does the fort do?

[fallow grove]

No one places a fort to defend it with just infantry lmao

[snow rain]

it's just like defending a plain tile

[fallow grove]

They can have a flame tank themselves and anti tank

[lapis snow]

wtf is this troll crap

[heavy vigil]

tanks are well known for their defensive capabilities

and totally dont just get clicked

[fallow grove]

The flame tank gives also attack to the fort owner if they in a fort gang

[remote quarry]

we can play a game
i play germany
you play france
i will not go through the benelux

[snow rain]

ngl, you're saying people actually defend forts but I one out of two MP games I've been in, at least a tile of maginot is taken without much resistance even when french tanks are on it

[fallow grove]

You will lose in 1939 lol

[sudden falcon]

lets do it

[heavy vigil]

ok so go play the game

[sudden falcon]

i play as austria

[heavy vigil]

no its a 1v1

france vs germany

[sudden falcon]

i was joking

[fallow grove]

It will take you more time to get through it

[fallow grove]

Im down to do it

I will be france and you can try to go through maginot

You can make every unit u want and I’ll make every unit I want

[heavy vigil]

topazand offered it so talk to him but im down to watch fr

[sudden falcon]

10k ic space marines incoming

[fallow grove]

Whatever u wanna make

I won’t complain

I’ll do my own stuff also

[remote quarry]

in two hours?

[fallow grove]

Sure just message me

I’ll try to be online

[sudden thistle]

Tell me the results please 🙏

[fallow grove]

It was already tested in past mp games by others

[remote quarry]

alr

[sudden falcon]

someone

1v1 me

[remote quarry]

i can stream for you if you like

[sudden falcon]

actually

[fallow grove]

Check yt

[sudden falcon]

anyone doing mp

[fallow grove]

Maginot is impossible to pass through simply because it is in mountains tanks will have 50% penalty 😹

[sudden falcon]

it isnt mountains

ive taken the maginot with infantry before

[fallow grove]

It’s impossible

[sudden falcon]

it isnt

[fallow grove]

It is

[sudden falcon]

just because it has forts doesnt mean its impossible to take

[fallow grove]

You just have 0 attack

[sudden falcon]

not how forts work but ok

[fallow grove]

Forts reduce your attack

[sudden falcon]

forts amplify defense not attack

[fallow grove]

You get penalty for each fort level

[sudden falcon]

do you want me to make a quick germany build to penetrate the maginot

yes i know

i know how forts work

i'd hope i know how they work if i have 800 hours on hoi4

[heavy vigil]

let her be

she'll see in the game

lol

[fallow grove]

Versus a human u can’t penetrate it

[remote quarry]

shhhh don't leak the build

[sudden falcon]

can i join the mp

who are u playing

france or germany

[heavy vigil]

lets both join as spectators fr

[sudden falcon]

actually

[fallow grove]

Yeah you make tanks and stuff but what if the other person makes specific counter to that

[heavy vigil]

like idk uk and ita

[sudden falcon]

yeah

[heavy vigil]

no joining war

[sudden falcon]

i was gonna play uk

😠

[heavy vigil]

no sending planes or anything

just spectating

[sudden falcon]

let me play as japan then or smth

[lone sail]

tbh if stalin didnt have his mustache people would hate him way more

[heavy vigil]

for china war?

[sudden falcon]

so i can like actually fight

[heavy vigil]

wdym

its a 1v1

[sudden falcon]

fight the ai

[heavy vigil]

ofc you cant participate in a 1v1

[sudden falcon]

as i watch

[heavy vigil]

yeah thats fair

[sudden falcon]

my japan build sucks

[heavy vigil]

coop?

[sudden falcon]

you can do navy

[heavy vigil]

i play japan a lot lately

[sudden falcon]

i think you know it better than i do

[heavy vigil]

i like grinding inf leader on ethiopia

its a thing you can do

[broken plover]

Why iran is so trash and weak?

[sudden falcon]

oh you grind stats with volunteers?

[sudden falcon]

blame graveyards of empire

[heavy vigil]

yeah on your gen

[broken plover]

Not just iran all of them

[heavy vigil]

and you can get inf leader just fighting ethiopia

so thats not bad

[sudden falcon]

i wouldve thought the china war would be too early to grind

[snow rain]

not even using manstein's ability, and using 1936 engineer company

[sudden thistle]

I might be on then?

[sudden falcon]

what year

[broken plover]

Is there a way to get strong with iran?

[sudden thistle]

Nuh uh

I saw infantry break the entire maginot

[sudden falcon]

i did that too

[sudden thistle]

Me when I lie

[bronze mango]

the iran fascist path is frankly very strong

[fallow grove]

Yet you are losing there

[snow rain]

attacking from two sides

[sudden falcon]

one of the french tiles borders 5-6 german tiles

[heavy vigil]

Theres always grind somewhere in the world

You know to not attack china until ichi go right?

[sudden falcon]

wait what

[fallow grove]

It all depends on how fast you deplete their org

[fallow grove]

But show manpower loses

[snow rain]

it depends on the terrain

[heavy vigil]

You escalate and sit there until ichi go

[snow rain]

or if you use rangers

[heavy vigil]

Then you attack

[sudden falcon]

its tanks

and your germany

[sudden thistle]

The eastern side of the maginot is the hardest I think

[fallow grove]

The whole place is mountain i believe

[sudden thistle]

The 2 tiles to the right of Metz are the easiest

[sudden falcon]

if you lose enough mp to have a dent in your military as germany while fighting france then you shouldnt be allowed to play a major

[sudden falcon]

lmfao

no it isnt

[heavy vigil]

Leave it be

[sudden thistle]

No

There is a plain tile

[heavy vigil]

Give topazand a maginot to break

[sudden thistle]

2 hills tiles

[sudden falcon]

3 hills

theres 4 hills

[snow rain]

just wanted to show it was easily possible in 1 attack with proper equipment

[heavy vigil]

Wapory do you want an old japan guide?

It should msotly work

Except you have to make a land facility in the state left of tokyo and stuff

[sudden falcon]

i think im good

[heavy vigil]

god forbid people get good at japan i guess 😔

Tbf its getting updated later but still

[sudden falcon]

😐

i dont play competitive mp

[heavy vigil]

It works in sp too

Obv

Especially japan even tho you ideally have manchu for tech, typically relies on its own everything

[sudden falcon]

unpopular opinion but i dont like the puppets

[serene token]

What Land Doctrine should I go down as Two Sicilies?

[heavy vigil]

Theyre really good for tech rushing

Just vanilla ai doesnt do that

So theyre kinda bad

Manchukuo can do railway guns for you and mengkukuo can rush gun 3 by 1939

By 1940*

In 39

[sudden falcon]

any normal difficulty achievements i should try to get

[gleaming fern]

I've never played Japan cause I have navy

[woven dragon]

Is there a mod that adds Yugoslavian Voice Lines?

[gleaming fern]

Might learn navy sometime

[woven dragon]

Because they do not have any

[heavy vigil]

Navy is really easy

[gleaming fern]

Look it up on the workshop

[heavy vigil]

Navy is easier than ground combat

[gleaming fern]

There's probably a guide I can watch

[heavy vigil]

Yeah but most guides suck

It comes down to big ship = AA

Light cruiser good

Visibility low is good

[gleaming fern]

Usually I just set my ships to strike force

[heavy vigil]

Deathstack is good

Split subs off

[heavy vigil]

Thats how youre supposed to use it

[gleaming fern]

Oh cool

[woven dragon]

Looked it up on the workshop and I only saw Yugoslav Radio mods

[sudden falcon]

4 screens per capital ship and a cap ship per carrier or smth

[heavy vigil]

Yeah except you can ignore it

[gleaming fern]

Aren't those the only voice lines

[heavy vigil]

You want 4 carriers with full navs

[sudden thistle]

No

When u click divs they talk

[heavy vigil]

Then 1 carrier 1 fighter + 1 cas wing rest navs

And thats all for capital setup that isnt AA battleships

And its like optional

[gleaming fern]

Oh true

[heavy vigil]

You can juse use 4 carriers with navs and be fine

[sudden falcon]

i will never voluntarily use carriers

[gleaming fern]

Idk I find them annoying lmfao

[woven dragon]

No like music radio packs

[gleaming fern]

Ooooh

I'm sitting here with no DLCs

[woven dragon]

I am looking for troop sayings when you click on them

[tiny tartan]

Why is paradox adding a philiphines focus tree
Nobody cares dude
They're gonna have some silly formables, probably
But why waste time on them, when they could be reworking other Majors

[gleaming fern]

Why specifically those

[gleaming fern]

They literally made an Aussa tree

I think Philippines deserves one too

[sudden falcon]

i care

[tiny tartan]

I guess someone at Paradox was bored
Nobody asked for this
Ethiopia can barely do anything, nobody would complain had it never got a focus tree
Ai Aussa never survives on its own, and who in the world plays it

[sudden falcon]

you havent played either nation then

[gleaming fern]

I played Aussa 8 times and I found it fun

[worn coral]

guys

both the uk and france became commies

what do i do

[sudden falcon]

become stalin

[woven dragon]

Me

I love Aussa

[tiny tartan]

I played Ethiopia a few times
It would be cooler if you could core Africa as commies before 1960

[gleaming fern]

Which country are you doing

[worn coral]

belgium

fascist begium

[gleaming fern]

You're fucced

[gleaming fern]

Oh
Your best bet is to ally with Germany if france ever gets aggressive

[worn coral]

germany is non aligned

[gleaming fern]

Why are you even playing Belgium

[worn coral]

why not

[sudden falcon]

should i play italy

[gleaming fern]

Maybe

[sudden falcon]

pope or communist

actually all of these achievements look hard and time consuming

im good

[gleaming fern]

ehhh
Is there any fascist country in the vicinity

That you can ally with

[worn coral]

just austria

but its in the pact of rome

[gleaming fern]

Invade the Netherlands for more resources maybe

I don't think you can do much when you're surrounded

Especially as Belgium

[worn coral]

i did

and luxembourg

and now im at war with ireland and norway

[gleaming fern]

I don't think they can do much

[worn coral]

yeah

[gleaming fern]

Naval invade Ireland maybe

[worn coral]

im just waiting for the transport planes so i can invade ireland

i have literally 0 naval

[gleaming fern]

Oh

[worn coral]

not a single ship whatsoever

[gleaming fern]

Does Ireland have an air force

Cause you need green air for landings I think

[worn coral]

i dont think so

so uh

my transport planes dont have enough range

[sudden falcon]

upgrade them

[worn coral]

how

[sudden falcon]

go to the production thingy

then you can create a variant

[worn coral]

dude

you cant modify transport planes

[sudden falcon]

holy shit

why am i on 2 fps

on paused millenium dawn

[bronze mango]

you can rename them but not alter them in any other way as far as i know

[bronze mango]

that is your awnser

[sudden falcon]

god this mod sucks

[bronze mango]

you are playing millenium dawn

[sudden falcon]

its the start date and i havent unpaused

and i cant even do anything

[bronze mango]

it is absolute slop. no optimisation

[sudden falcon]

why do people play this mod

[bronze mango]

it take five hours to get to march

of 2000

[sudden falcon]

anyone wanna play mp?

[unreal narwhal]

Welp i have no idea what i am doing

[west sequoia]

whos the best general/field marshal in the game

[heavy vigil]

Like at game start or including grinding/focuses

[west sequoia]

game start

[plucky sedge]

Tukachevsky probably

[west sequoia]

what about guderian

[split bane]

Tukachevsky and Mannerheim are both pretty good

[west sequoia]

who's tukachevsky i forget

[bronze mango]

soviet field marshal

[west sequoia]

sounds like the kind of guy to get purged by stalin immediately

[split bane]

He does get purged
I think from the third purge or smth idk I can't remember

[lunar wraith]

Anybody know the answer to my question in #modding

[west sequoia]

yes

[remote quarry]

do you wanna play now

[heavy vigil]

Uhh tukachevsky is ok, mannerheim is pretty good, bohme obviously (austria) and china starts with soem good generals too but i forgot their names

[sudden falcon]

why does the uk have their entire army garrisoning the one port iwant to take

so stupid man

and every nation sent volunteers

its 1937

[slim nexus]

Does the uk ai specifically not send out the hood? I have sunk around 80% of the royal navy, leaving only around 40 ships as italy and I am yet to even see it in the mederterainian

[heavy vigil]

To where

[sudden falcon]

the british

[heavy vigil]

Why are you attacking the british in 1937..

[sudden falcon]

why not

i destroyed their navy yet they convoy raid me to shreds

[heavy vigil]

Yeah

Gotta bomb the subs

[young ocean]

@woeful crypt hop back on

[serene token]

Balatro

[sharp kite]

i prefer millennium to fire rises

but thats because its more detailed in different aspects than fire rises is in others

[sudden falcon]

hoi4 crashed and now my save corrupted

wonderful game design

wonderful game

they dont allow you to save the game and then autosave f's you up

2 hours worth of runs gone

[split bane]

They let you save the game
Just hit escape and then click the save button
Unless you're in Ironman

[sudden falcon]

im in iron man

thats why i said they dont let you save

[split bane]

Ah
I saw the grey trophy and thought you weren't mb

[finite brook]

Where could we stream HOI IV if we wanted too?

[trim pike]

In any of the channels

[finite brook]

Ah okay noticed they were all multi-player so wanted to confirm

[wraith mauve]

How T to play fascist Uk?

Nvm whats best doctrine for Uk

I mean germany

As monarchist

[sudden thistle]

@remote quarry did it start yet?

[remote quarry]

they did not reply

[sudden thistle]

they chickend out

lmao

[gusty oracle]

where is that

[sudden grotto]

"unknown Village in belarus, 1944, colorized"

[west sequoia]

use pdx unlimiter

lets you save in ironman games

[wraith mauve]

Whats better right or led path for communist germany

[sharp sierra]

i dont know its menu screen assets from stalker soc autumn aurora

[wraith mauve]

With gotterdamerung

[sharp sierra]

i reverse image searched one to try and find like where the photo is or whats up with it

theyre extremely creepy to me

[gusty oracle]

sounds about right

[remote quarry]

nah we'll find another time

[west sequoia]

ngl ive never played communist germany

[gusty oracle]

I tried it a few days ago

Its fun but the allies backstabed me while invading the soviets

its super powerful though

[sharp sierra]

theyre chemicalling me

[wintry saddle]

did they change change the way to get eva brown or smth cuz I did like what multiple videos did but im not getting the event

[autumn drift]

Min Max Math problem connected with little RP. You need a capital ship to screen carriers. And then I want the most cost effective way to do shore bombardment

So how I get as much heavy attack per buck

[heavy vigil]

Heavy attack is pretty bad

Idk why youd want it

If you want cheap capitals (not facing enemy air) then do EARLY hull heavy cruisers with only secondary batteries + 1 heavy gun

If you are facing enemy air then you want battleships/battlecruisers ideally super heavy battleship with max possible AA

[autumn drift]

BCS hp preference

[heavy vigil]

The cruisers are also most Ic effective for shore

And fight fine otherwise

[frank acorn]

Max out heavy batteries and pray

I am trolling don't send me back to Chile

[autumn drift]

You meant Brazil. Hms Agincourt which was meant for Brazil, was the only battleship which qualifies for 3 heavy batteries. As one heavy battery represents 4 to 6 guns. (I did the math when adapting KR to MtG)

[remote quarry]

refit heavy guns to your capitals is probably the most IC efficient way

although this does not really contribute to winning a naval combat

[remote quarry]

🤣 that ship deserves a special design in the game

such monstrosity

[median gull]

Subjective question. But what non major nations do you find the most fun/interesting/underrated?

[serene token]

Bruh

[loud shuttle]

What country is bro playing

[serene token]

Two Sicilies

Kaiserreich

[random quiver]

If land mines existed Barbarossa would be too easy

[random quiver]

Turkey

Or 2 sicilies

[autumn drift]

As I said only historical heavy ship with 3 heavy battery.

There are only two historical designs in the game with 3 batteries. Brooklyn and Mogami light cruisers, which had historically 15 guns both

Was doing some math and most IC effective for shore bombardment are really 8 inch guns

[clear dagger]

oh my god belgium just took a town in sheeps mod

they're a god

[valid solar]

Every time I play as Germany

Luxembourg always takes that town before I defeat them

[clear dagger]

how

[valid solar]

Idk

I’m to focused on the Netherlands

[drifting kiln]

whats sheep mod?

[clear dagger]

sheep ai

supposed to make ai actually try harder

with actual divisions

[drifting kiln]

does it actual make the ai good or just give it buffs?

like +10% attack or smth

[trim pike]

Good

[drifting kiln]

how does one reinstate nazi leadership?

[echo gyro]

I am keen asf for multi rt56 game

[halcyon furnace]

arnold?!

[clear dagger]

ah yes, i remember the italian invasion of finland

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/knock-knock-arnold-schwarzenegger-joke-surprise-gif-16710427

[edgy elm]

hey guys a little late to murk stalin was doing side quest in asia

[drifting kiln]

u conquered the whole world just to have shitty borders 😭

[proud tapir]

the 5 polish destroyers 😭

[mellow moss]

“We will never surrender” 🖤🥀🥀

[eternal palm]

Its an event u should get when going kaiser

[eternal palm]

Why puppet everything 😭

India pays for itself

[urban ivy]

it s a shithole

he just wanted an aligned government

[eternal palm]

The larp is real 😭

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/pumping-iron-arnold-schwarzenegger-workout-fitness-gym-gif-15067517

[cursive oxide]

It's taking for ever to push out the Germans

[eternal palm]

Nice screenshot bro

try clicking windows shift s

[proud tapir]

I can almost see whats going on

[cursive oxide]

Can't make a screen shot don't have DC on my PC

[eternal palm]

Draw some arrows jfc

[eternal palm]

Why not

[proud tapir]

understandable

[eternal palm]

What is it with people not having dc on their pc

I dont get it, its not that taxing on your machine

I ran it on a laptop from 2007 with no issues

[proud tapir]

for me personaly

i dont use it on my pc, i dont really send screenshots or stuff

Its easier to just pull up my phone

[eternal palm]

What 💀

so ur saying, instead of alttabbing, u pull out ur phone and open it there

And thats "easier"

[proud tapir]

yeah

[eternal palm]

woooooow

[proud tapir]

I dont bother to install it

[eternal palm]

🤦

[proud tapir]

Yeah

ik

But who cares

its not like i send screenshots

i dont need to

[fallen vigil]

guys whats the best path for the UK to do a world coqnuest

[urban ivy]

monarchist

fascist allows u to score 2 achievements iirc

if u never done a fascist world conquest

[sudden gull]

when hilter declares on stalin in 1937

muy historical

[proud tapir]

When Hitler declares on Stalin in 1940 before taking Austria, Czechoslovakia or Poland

[sudden gull]

also that

[proud tapir]

My France game yesterday

Finland joined the axis so Germany fought against the ussr without having a border

[fallen vigil]

its the left one right

[craggy dove]

monarchist spain or portugal?

[eternal palm]

Portugal

Though carlists get funny stats

[eternal palm]

Left

[proud tapir]

wait did doc just explain the horshoe theory to mcqueen

[sudden gull]

what Francisco franco doing

[eternal palm]

Pregrinds be like:

[urban ivy]

left or middle

[clear dagger]

finally im doing well in sheeps mod

[delicate lance]

steiner’s attack went pretty well as expected, Good observation my fuhrer, he is currently approaching Moscow

[misty fossil]

congrats youve won the gold award for best hoi4 screenshot of 2025

[misty fossil]

its a distraction

[rustic furnace]

I've seen way worse

[misty fossil]

ive tried to remove it several times but i unironically use discord to transfer my work files between my work pc and personal laptop

[eternal palm]

Shit I guess

But thats kind of what we are doing no

[misty fossil]

yeah im listening to a podcast on warfare rn

anyway ima lock in again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGHEHROTaZs

[lethal ether]

imagine someone sees you have discord on your phone

[proud tapir]

shaking

literaly crying

Imagine someone sees war thunder in my steam library

thats even scarier

[random quiver]

Chat

Is 260 div good at the start of 1941?

As ussr

[lethal ether]

what templates

[marsh ravine]

no

[proud tapir]

i read somewhere that 300 is optimal

[marsh ravine]

iirc u should have 300 inf

minimum

[lethal ether]

same 💩

[random quiver]

Bruh

[proud tapir]

?

[lethal ether]

same shit

[proud tapir]

yeah ik but wdym by that

260 isnt the same as 300

[sudden thistle]

If it’s normal Singleplayer u should be fine anyways

[lethal ether]

its close

[lethal ether]

^

[marsh ravine]

🤬

[marsh ravine]

i hope you dissappear

[sudden thistle]

Jon don u know full well the AI is extremely incompetent

[marsh ravine]

i literally havent played against normal ai

in years

sheep mod supremacy

i cant handle vanilla

if i testbuild i use the universal sheeps mod

[random quiver]

I don't think I could beat Poland with sheep mod

[sudden thistle]

Bro all my hoi freinds are scared of sheeps so we can never play it

[proud tapir]

Btw how many divs should you have as Germany?

Before ww2

9/2 template

[sudden thistle]

Don’t use 9/2

I just get a full field Marshall of inf

It’s really all I need the whole game

[proud tapir]

wait so

what template is meta then

If 9/2 sucks

Like purely 9 block inf?

[eternal palm]

This with mass mob

Ignore width, it's with no doctrine

[proud tapir]

ah alr

[eternal palm]

It's supposed to be 16w

[proud tapir]

thx

[urban ivy]

this is what u use for inf only

u replace antitank with smth else

[proud tapir]

alrr

[random quiver]

Is 222 factories good for ussr?

early 1941

[eternal palm]

Split?

[random quiver]

Like how many are military?

[keen terrace]

111

[eternal palm]

Civ/mil

[random quiver]

179/57

[eternal palm]

......

You have 57 mils

In 41?

[random quiver]

yes

[keen terrace]

Bro

[eternal palm]

That might be the worst eco I've ever seen 💀

[proud tapir]

those numbers should be swaped bro 🤕

[eternal palm]

Ok Russia crash course

[keen terrace]

You produce basically nothing

[eternal palm]

U don't build civs past Dec 37

[keen terrace]

You’ll lose

[random quiver]

wut

[eternal palm]

Build mils East of kursk, build in states with at least 60% infra

Kill Finland

And puppet

[random quiver]

Idk I was winning last Barbarossa

[keen terrace]

Civilian factories don’t feed or run an army

[eternal palm]

Russia as awful effi gain, so u need mils early

And nobody gets to build civs for over 2 years

[keen terrace]

57/179 would be better

You dont need that many civs

[random quiver]

...

[eternal palm]

280 factories are achievable even for noobs

[eternal palm]

That does not mean u should convert civs

[neat kayak]

What should i replace?

[random quiver]

I mean I never invaded Finland

[heavy vigil]

Anyone can win unoptimally

[eternal palm]

Having 120 owned civs in 41 is good

[heavy vigil]

Add armor

[eternal palm]

Make sure to make 1 collab each on lat and est

[neat kayak]

level 1 or 2?

[eternal palm]

Annex in mid 39

[random quiver]

I own 158...

[heavy vigil]

Level 3/4

Usually

But 2 is fine

[eternal palm]

Yea thats too many

U spend ur whole game building civs

[keen terrace]

He should

They*

[eternal palm]

That's pointless

[heavy vigil]

No

[eternal palm]

Converting civs is the worst thing u could do

[heavy vigil]

Converting civs is very rarely useful

Basically never

[proud tapir]

Guys is it worth it producing ships for nations that already have big navies? (except for submarines)
Would it be better to just refit already existing ones

[eternal palm]

Uh yes

Building cls is mandatory

[keen terrace]

Yes

[random quiver]

I didn't do any navy xd

[eternal palm]

But u can skip dds

[proud tapir]

oh ok

[keen terrace]

U can live without

[eternal palm]

Russia doesn't need lol

[proud tapir]

i heard navy is pretty much pointless for the ussr

[neat kayak]

except armor 2 , is there something that needs to be replaced?

[random quiver]

Yea

The axis didn't even engage my Navy

[heavy vigil]

Battleships are for AA

Not for heavy attack

Because game design

[keen terrace]

Could be for a lot of countries if you just defend your shores good and if you have a great airforce

[proud tapir]

whats the diffirence between light attack and heavy attack

[eternal palm]

Add an MIO lol and you have too many heavy batteries swap one for aa and make your secondaries dual purpose. If u don't have them more aa

[proud tapir]

for ships

[eternal palm]

Make shbb once u can

[heavy vigil]

One is good the other is bad

[eternal palm]

Heavy attack isn't bad?

U need it

[heavy vigil]

Ok its good if your enemy has below 100% screening

[keen terrace]

Won multiple games as germany without using any navy

[heavy vigil]

But then they die anyway

[eternal palm]

Heavy attack targets capitals first though, no matter the screening line

[heavy vigil]

But it cant deal damage when 100% screened

[proud tapir]

Also i saw ppl say subs with low visibility are pretty busted
Should i use subs for strike force against enemy ships?

or just convoys

[eternal palm]

Visibility is the single most important stat in naval combat

Do yes

[proud tapir]

alrr thx

[eternal palm]

Anything with low vis is good

Hence raiding designer is important

[proud tapir]

man navy isnt even that hard idk why people say they dont wanna learn it

[eternal palm]

Laziness

Or stupidity

Usually both

[proud tapir]

Too hard to click a few buttons and watch 1 or two youtube videos

[eternal palm]

The youtube videos are basically worthless lol

But ye it can be that hard apparently

Just how hard it is to download discord lol

Insane

[proud tapir]

A few helped me with how to refit my ships for example

[eternal palm]

Refitting is overhyped?

Not really useful except for bbs

[proud tapir]

Ay man i dont even spend much time on PC besides gamin

[urban ivy]

u never refit armor, engine, main armament

not that useful

[proud tapir]

yup ik that

[urban ivy]

it s probably the interface that s more confusing

[eternal palm]

But it's literally the same line of argument. "How hard can it be clueless"

[urban ivy]

cause paradox doesnt make any effort in making the UI more intuitive

[eternal palm]

Or make their tool tips say what they do

[proud tapir]

60% of the time its my phone, 40% is chilling on a game.
I dont have it on my pc because ik i would genuinely not use it

[urban ivy]

that s harsh work

[proud tapir]

is the uhh offical tutorial as bad as they say

i never tried it

[urban ivy]

• discord scans all ur messages

easy

[eternal palm]

So having it on ur phone fixes that 💀

[urban ivy]

u dont really learn much except what UI does

[eternal palm]

Which is arguable worse

[urban ivy]

only the messages inside the app

not ur whole phone

it s google s job to do that

[proud tapir]

I also used to have dc on my old pc but again like i said

never used it

[urban ivy]

understandable

[proud tapir]

It just sat there

[proud tapir]

Chromium

🥰

[eternal palm]

It helps you with the controls and nothing else

It's useless for anything else

[proud tapir]

Alr

[urban ivy]

no

[proud tapir]

Man German ai is so dumb once you deny them Austria in any way

Its like they have a seizure when they cant do the anchluss

[urban ivy]

even if they do get it

still weak

[proud tapir]

1st as Italy i annexed Austria, they were extremly dumb after that

Then as France when i deny the remilitarization, they cant take Austria

[eternal palm]

Denying Germany any expansion makes the AI die instantly

It's so funny

[urban ivy]

it only seems strong

because it has standard infsntry templates

[proud tapir]

also dumb

[urban ivy]

unlike most countries still using 12 width infantry

[proud tapir]

even dumber that time

[proud tapir]

Yeah, the 9/2

[urban ivy]

no

they use 9inf

• support arti and engi

they do edit the design but thats their worst used template

that s why they seem "so much stronger" compared to other nations

[proud tapir]

Isnt that 9/2 tho?
I always thought that
9-number of inf blocks
/2-support companies

[proud tapir]

Yeah its funny

Italy first is such a funny path

[eternal palm]

That's not what that means

You don't say supports like this

[proud tapir]

Huh, well how are templates designated

[proud tapir]

its just an excuse to murder germany at the start

[urban ivy]

ppl adding nunbers after "/" usually means line arti

[eternal palm]

U have 10/0 where 10 is inf and the 0 is smth else u have added or not, usually arty

[proud tapir]

🤢

[eternal palm]

And if it's something else u say what that is

[urban ivy]

that

[eternal palm]

For example a tank is 10/8

[proud tapir]

oh ok

[eternal palm]

10 tanks 8 mech

[urban ivy]

or 9/9 or 10/8

[surreal mist]

so does that mean that the 9/9 tank division is 9 tanks and 9 arty

[urban ivy]

when referring to tanks/mrch

[eternal palm]

Or 9/8/1 which is 9 tanks 8 mech and 1 armor meme. But beyond that it's kinda stupid

[urban ivy]

when it s "9/2 infantry" i definitely talk about tank divisions yes

clever

arent u

[proud tapir]

[eternal palm]

Yep, exactly 🤦

[surreal mist]

this statement is pretty general, don't attempt to play it off

[eternal palm]

Well thats the consensus, it's not a rule

[real tulip]

"wanna play on elite difficulty in HOI4?"

[surreal mist]

wonderful, i should do SFP LL then for the line arty buffs 🤓

[eternal palm]

Usually u just send a ss of the template

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068630365717143574/1316362836632666143/togif-1-2.gif

[urban ivy]

"usually"

what does usually mean to you

always?

[proud tapir]

Hes so smug even at the threat of death. I respect the dedication

[eternal palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/701830872319525025/1179727577196269600/caption-23-1.gif

[random quiver]

How many divs does Germany have 1941?

[eternal palm]

Between 200-300

[urban ivy]

depends how well they do in fighting france

[proud tapir]

I mean, dosent France kinda just not fight back because of their awful spirits?

[random quiver]

War economy is good right?

[proud tapir]

Yes

[eternal palm]

Nah you wanna be on civ eco to build civs obv

Smh

War eco drains ur consumer goods, that's a bad thing

[random quiver]

Wut

[proud tapir]

Hes just joking so

basicaly

[random quiver]

Ik

I saw the -

[eternal palm]

The joke:

[proud tapir]

awesome

[eternal palm]

Yall german or sum

[random quiver]

Idk why yall hate my civ eco but building go brrr

[fluid birch]

Embargoed economy is better

[eternal palm]

Infra only

The roads are good

[proud tapir]

making the trucks run on time, how else will you keep your divs supplied duh

100% infra everywhere priority

[fluid birch]

yes, mass mob Germany with 800 14 widths

[eternal palm]

Must prevent mud obv

Don't have stats with mud

[urban ivy]

no dont

💀

[eternal palm]

Do, actually

It's funny

[proud tapir]

We cant let the germans have the best autobahn, everyone will laugh at us

[urban ivy]

turn on offensive mode

see millions of german dying

[urban ivy]

for defending it s rock solid im not denying

i did that in a mp game

guns, at and air spam

didn t lose a tile

[eternal palm]

14.4 mass mob is unironically how you fastgame as Poland

[urban ivy]

u dont actually attack

u just hold

laststand micro and stuff

[eternal palm]

Ye make Germany rage quit

[fluid birch]

80 10 widths sitting in the Soviet marshes every game 😭

[urban ivy]

do u attack soviets with them?

[fluid birch]

every single tile is like 20 divs it’s so cancer

[eternal palm]

Smh can't push marshes?

Didn't to amtrac

[urban ivy]

2x max 33width divisions

[fluid birch]

2k soft SPG’s

[urban ivy]

u can use 2 mountaineers

32.4 width

u can fit 2 divisions to attack the marsh

[fluid birch]

yep

[serene token]

More deaths in a day than all of WW1 and 2 combined.

[random quiver]

DAYUM i misclicked

Chat civs were being constructed into 1941

[urban ivy]

ware wa kangun

[serene token]

Did you send your units to a different border while your fighting someone again?

[random quiver]

I've never done that

[serene token]

Cool

[safe wing]

Angry German Kid

classic

[serene token]

I can hear the rant from miles away.

[eternal palm]

ICH WILL UNREAL TOURNAMENT SPIELEN

LAD JETZT

HÄÄ

It's funny, what became of him isn't sadly

[serene token]

What happened to him?

[eternal palm]

Got bullied and spiraled into depression because of this meme

[serene token]

Did he, y'know?

[safe wing]

knew that

unfortunately

[eternal palm]

I believe he's still alive

[serene token]

Does he still have a channel?

[eternal palm]

No clue, but if I had to guess probably not

[serene token]

Fair

[fallen vigil]

how tf do i get this to happen?

[serene token]

It will be an event

[fallen vigil]

will it take awhile?

[serene token]

I can't remember.

[fallen vigil]

alr thanks nontheless

[ripe slate]

I doesnt take long

[pearl jackal]

as fascist italy i'm in a faction with communist france and monarchist uk

i love hoi4

so realistic

like something tells me communism, fascism and monarchism doesn't mix well

[sacred breach]

Offensive line good in attacking?

Best way to attack

[random quiver]

184/62

1941....