Oh right it's everyone vs u
#hoi4-general
coarse trail
heavy vigil
But i like the optimism
coarse trail
it'll be 500 soldiers at a port
fallen vigil
haha
dusky burrow
BTW question, which is the best choice here
- 10% piercing and 2% hard attack
- 4% breakthrough, but increases production cost by 1%
- 3% soft attack, but increases production cost by 6%
dusky burrow
haha
That city will soon become yours, why did you do that
Also those frontlines are really thin
fallen vigil
That city will soon become yours, why did you do that
i released the ussr
look at the date
fallen vigil
im achievement hunting
errant remnant
dusky burrow
I see
serene token
BTW question, which is the best choice here
- 10% piercing and 2% hard attack
- ...
What does piercing do?
dusky burrow
1973oof
dusky burrow
What does piercing do?
This is a good question
serene token
Does it mean the ability to pierce through enemy lines, like that one blitzkrieg showcase?
dusky burrow
So first tier effect is that if on a divisional level
your piercing > enemy armor
your organization dice rolls go from 1d4 to 1d6, which means an average of 40% more damage
dusky burrow
Second tier effect is that if you have less piercing than armor, then the following happens
your piercing < 0.5 * enemy armor -> you do only 50% damage
0.5 * enemy armor < your piercing < 0.75 * enemy armor -> you do 65% damage
0.75 * enemy armor < your piercing < enemy armor -> you do 80% damage
dusky burrow
What situation are you in?
serene token
Second tier effect is that if you have less piercing than armor, then the follow...
I say piercing then.
heavy vigil
i was thinking something like this
fallen vigil
HOW HAVENT THEY CAPPED
dusky burrow
I think if you're looking for breakthrough then tanks are better, if you're looking to minimize the cost for the same amount of stats SPGs might be
heavy vigil
Im looking to kill divisions landing on my islands
dusky burrow
What do your divisions look like?
split bane
HOW HAVENT THEY CAPPED
Do you by any chance have any collabs
dusky burrow
Do you by any chance have any collabs
Nope they just released the Soviets to kill them again
dusky burrow
Theyre 3/3
I see
dusky burrow
In that case you might want to go SPGs to lower your costs, but yet again you might not be able to supply your division
Becase SPGs are very supply intensive
dusky burrow
Just which nation is this?
heavy vigil
Nzl
dusky burrow
Yeah oof idk tbh
Good luck
Hopefully the enemy doesn't bring a tank division or something
dusky burrow
Anti-choke free template?
heavy vigil
Yeah so ai doesnt get stuck
dusky burrow
Wait how does a 3/0 template make the AI not get stuck?
heavy vigil
Lets them make divs?
heavy vigil
Sheep seems to like 3/0s for some reason I guess
ive never felt so ready
dusky burrow
Hope you got enough tanks out before the AI lands 200 divisions on your coast
heavy vigil
I have an ally though
dusky burrow
The Soviets?
heavy vigil
The Soviets?
Samoa :(
dusky burrow
80 guns, woah
heavy vigil
Cant complain
dusky burrow
At this rate nice
heavy vigil
dusky burrow
BTW, now looking at the map, probably SPGs
heavy vigil
Dw i have 36 tanks out rn
dusky burrow
How are you planning to go into 1939 against something like this
vapid bough
I'm officially at that part of the game where I have already won and now I have to just prove it to the AI
heavy vigil
Oh
The world faction is also at war with japan and a lot of spain
So i have some time
vapid bough
Also my light tanks are somehow still relavent in '45
dusky burrow
What do they look like
heavy vigil
How are you planning to go into 1939 against something like this
Ok i have a solution
Oh man i have to make a choice
Tank or td
look at this goober
dusky burrow
Funny
heavy vigil
I think i need to do normal tank tho
For recon
its a bit of a budget thing but should pierce things maybe
Bit optimistic to produce rn
Unless no more tank
:(
Samoa got invaded
Imma cry
dusky burrow
Noooooooooo
heavy vigil
I dont have a single ship so cant retake it either
dusky burrow
Honestly I struggle to see how you can deal with either the hard or soft attack of one British marine
heavy vigil
At least japan is distracting rn
dusky burrow
But hopefully you have something in plan
vital quest
Say that again?
heavy vigil
Hii tac
dusky burrow
Hello Tac
I guess you're going to be impressed for the defense of New Zealand against the world minus Japan
heavy vigil
No japan is also technically at war with me
But the world alliance prioritizes killing them so
Its already july and theyre still holding manchuria
At lesst half of it
misty fossil
minor inconvenience
vapid bough
HOI4 really needs a negotiated peace system that isnt locked by winning too hard bruh
misty fossil
How are you planning to go into 1939 against something like this
thats a very interesting meta design?
what am i looking at
vapid bough
I need out of this late game hyperwar in the Middle East
opal nymph
my obvious choice is luxembourg
Survive long enough for Allies to reinforce
And you might be fine
clear dagger
i clicked the "supply system is stupid" for added challenge
opal nymph
i clicked the "supply system is stupid" for added challenge
That allows Germany to push a lot easier into Russia, right?
opal nymph
I honestly expected China to be hard in Sheep's mod.
Fun fact, no
clear dagger
glacial oasis
i genuinely hate the habsburgs
clear dagger
I honestly expected China to be hard in Sheep's mod.
Fun fact, no
hard as china or hard to beat china?
opal nymph
hard as china or hard to beat china?
Playing as China is easy
I held Beijing all game without building forts
Or having air superiority
Japan didn't even really have an air force, so when I was able to build some planes, I had green air
heavy vigil
Hi jonathan
Im turning off sheeps ai for a dumb self imposed challenge
Because i dont think its possible with but also idk
Maybe im just bad
clear dagger
whats the challenge
brittle cypress
Because i dont think its possible with but also idk
you can't just not tell us
heavy vigil
you can't just not tell us
I put it in chat before
Max buffs sheep ai player vs world new zealand
Ill try without the ai :(
Sadness
dusky burrow
thats a very interesting meta design?
IDK where it comes from tbh
It's in one of the mods Casey was facing though
heavy vigil
It's in one of the mods Casey was facing though
8 marines 5 mountaineers 3 tds
Easier way to visualize than the actual image
wraith mauve
8 marines 5 mountaineers 3 tds
Im so bored rn Im doing world conquest
dusky burrow
Lmao I just realized how many bonuses Italy gets to light tanks
heavy vigil
Im so bored rn Im doing world conquest
Try playing a fun nation instead of a bad nation
wraith mauve
U don’t know what nation Im playing
wraith mauve
Majors can be fun
heavy vigil
Well kinda
heavy vigil
You can learn to minmax them through guides :D
wraith mauve
France is hell
wraith mauve
I have like 280 hrs so France is hard 4 me
dusky burrow
-8% from Sweden, -5% from military industry, and a -10% bonus from somewhere else
Plus you unlock a plethora of good guns just through focuses you should be doing
heavy vigil
Plus you unlock a plethora of good guns just through focuses you should be doing
Well yeah thats how you do tank tech as italy
No arty research fr
wraith mauve
Is rushing Anschluss worth it
heavy vigil
How quick do you plan to do it?
wraith mauve
August 36
heavy vigil
Thats kinda late ish but yeah thats good
Might not be able to that late tbh
Their army might be equipped
dusky burrow
But this means that you also have a light tank hull that costs 2.68 ic, which is really funny since you can have nearly 2 cost tanks
wraith mauve
How to play Silesia in German civil war
heavy vigil
But this means that you also have a light tank hull that costs 2.68 ic, which is...
can be cheaper
not as ita tho
dusky burrow
can be cheaper
How so
misty fossil
8 marines 5 mountaineers 3 tds
why TDs and why 3
heavy vigil
This is very funny
Its sad norway doesnt get standardized
Youd be able to get it down to like 1.2 or something
dusky burrow
ic wise I mean
heavy vigil
Yeahh
dusky burrow
manpower and resource wise the tanks are a lot better than infantry equipment wielding cavalry. Also the tank has 30-48% hardness, so it takes 30-48% less damage compared to cavalry
Whether you want to set up another production line just for suppression is a different question however
wraith mauve
For space divisions is medium tanks better than light?
dusky burrow
If your goal is armor meming, then medium tanks offer more armor than light tanks while still being relatively affordable
If your goal is just adding breakthrough, you might be better off doing light tanks
limpid mantle
heavy vigil
If your goal is just adding breakthrough, you might be better off doing light ta...
Imo
Mediums for break since yk medium turret and all
Heavies for armor meme
Lights for recon, armor in 1937
Light SPAA might be best early on
dusky burrow
Oh right, medium turret exists
At the same time we haven't accounted for heavy tanks
winged estuary
hey anyone know if it is possible to replace the black ice unit icons back to vanilla?
heavy vigil
hey anyone know if it is possible to replace the black ice unit icons back to va...
?
NATO icons?
Its in game settings
winged estuary
alright thanks
winged estuary
NATO icons?
i meant the actual on-map units not in the template designer
craggy trail
🐴
heavy vigil
Isnt that the same
winged estuary
Isnt that the same
no the the setting u mean is for the template designer
craggy trail
I mean if you are playing with the black ice mod, I'm not sure you are able to change it
misty fossil
child named 3 collabs
fallen vigil
guys ts is the first time ive ever seen this title screen is this for the asia update?
slim nexus
i made csa!
craggy trail
guys ts is the first time ive ever seen this title screen is this for the asia u...
This is part of No Step Back
fallen vigil
This is part of No Step Back
god can i feel SPECIAL FOR ONCE
kind vale
Ww2 should've never happened
gusty oracle
im a bit late but volunteers
i took all italy's troops
but those stayed there
also they're fighting the allies
limpid mantle
Ww2 should've never happened
yeah i cant believe people did that
im glad we moved on from that though
kind vale
yeah i cant believe people did that
Not my reason why
craggy trail
kind vale
Should've never put them damn women in factories
misty fossil
what am i looking at
craggy trail
what am i looking at
The old pre Man the Guns navy combat
misty fossil
wow
limpid mantle
Massive breakthrough
limpid mantle
Should've never put them damn women in factories
tbh that shit was really cool tho
never again could we be as united as that
kind vale
tbh that shit was really cool tho
Nuh uh
clear dagger
Ww2 should've never happened
Hoi4:
kind vale
never again could we be as united as that
I'll force em to by becoming a dictator
misty fossil
life keeps pinning my face down into the mud facefirst
gaunt pawn
that costs only double one gun!
misty fossil
Should've never put them damn women in factories
erm misogyny
kind vale
life keeps pinning my face down into the mud facefirst
Life keeps tryna put me in a meat grinder
limpid mantle
but i agree, if women have to take over jobs that historically have belonged to men that is a sign of a failing society
kind vale
but i agree, if women have to take over jobs that historically have belonged to ...
Petition to make the usa go back to the old ways men working and women at home
digital aurora
Time to disband most of my low experience divisons
heavy vigil
<@&846894118219022336> misogyny bad?
misty fossil
me when im a misogynist or something i cant relate
kind vale
mods send this guy to ohio
I will send you to a "bonfire"
limpid mantle
i love sheep ai
misty fossil
why are you sending me death threats
misty fossil
nah i was joking
kind vale
How tf did bonfire become a death threat
craggy trail
gusty oracle
<@&846894118219022336> misogyny bad?
is it bad enough
kind vale
Never said I'd throw you in
misty fossil
is it bad enough
honestly misogyny is misogyny
you need to confront it so it doesnt become (re)normalised
marble igloo
Imagine annexing china instead of making a puppet out of them, then making 500 infantry divisions with max width, then annexing again and dismissing the units for insane levels of manpower.
misty fossil
(im a dude btw)
heavy vigil
is it bad enough
Im too tired they judge
marble igloo
that 1.84m manpower could have been over 20 mil
misty fossil
Imagine annexing china instead of making a puppet out of them, then making 500 i...
that was patched
kind vale
you need to confront it so it doesnt become (re)normalised
I'll revert the world to the good days
marble igloo
No it wasn't
kind vale
When everything was perfect
marble igloo
You make colonial divisions with your puppet.
misty fossil
what good days
marble igloo
Once you annex, all colonial divisions become yours.
kind vale
what good days
Before modern day
marble igloo
it keeps the manpower and equipment
marble igloo
90% sure it is still unpatched
misty fossil
be glad you werent drafted to vietnam or whatever
digital aurora
my man power pool is just gone, after WW2, but i have a couple of divsions pressing on in china to help my ally
marble igloo
unless it got patched within the past 2 weeks?
misty fossil
what about the people
kind vale
be glad you werent drafted to vietnam or whatever
Vietnam sounds fun
kind vale
what about the people
They suck
marble igloo
The last time i had to use it for my achievement hunting was ~3 weeks ago
kind vale
All of them
marble igloo
i have 12 achievements left to 100% this game
kind vale
you want a little obedient wife who lets you beat her up every night?
No
I dont hit women
misty fossil
good
marble igloo
Soon to be 11 once i take hungary in a peace deal as Australia.
kind vale
Unless they want equal rights and are tryna hit me
misty fossil
you see women as below men?
digital aurora
Time to make 15 sovetsky soyuz class battleships, the Red fleet is so back
misty fossil
you're only incriminating yourself 😭
kind vale
you see women as below men?
No i hit men for no reason
misty fossil
i saw that @craggy trail
marble igloo
lol closed eco
limpid mantle
I AM STRUGGLIGN WITH STEEL
marble igloo
Did you max out infrastructure and excavation for max production?
limpid mantle
of course
but you would know that that isnt enough for japan
THANK SHEEP AI GODS
marble igloo
Are you going for any achievements or just making a strong country?
limpid mantle
Are you going for any achievements or just making a strong country?
i want to win against sheep ai america
and defeat the allies as a whole
marble igloo
Oh, then you would have been better off ignoring china and directly focus on taking over mexico
The main problems with beating the USA is that they join the allies and they have a godly navy
So in order to bypass that, you land in mexico early and set up there.
candid oxide
you should play hearts of equestria instead
craggy trail
marble igloo
You can convoy raid the USA, and just low risk strike force their navy over time while holding a line in mexico
candid oxide
feed the USA player estrogen
marble igloo
And maybe add like a group of 6 marines to slowly island hop
gaunt pawn
wtf is that design
marble igloo
I've done the BS japan achievements before. so this was most of my strategy. I could probably do it a lot easier now though
Spamming low cost destroyers + some okay light and heavy cruisers into the strike force helps too.
misty fossil
wtf is that design
"i love fuel" ahh design
craggy trail
wtf is that design
Super Heavy Flame Tank. It has one of those demolition guns that the Centurion AVRE uses
dusky burrow
Prenounce his name
I mean you could make navs
Oh wait this is Sheep's mod, well, good luck
BTW who owns the Iranian and Afghani oil
inner ocean
Marx's wet dream
Western Europe facing revolutions after the defeat in the first European War
Germany is about to have one as well
-100 stability is insane for them lmao
unit models for the Marxist and the Reactionaries
wraith mauve
Is that division template good
exotic bridge
Is that division template good
it's just the defualt one I didn't bother to change it
sharp sierra
Is this good
its not the best
wraith mauve
its not the best
I want best for 1941 germany
sharp sierra
it only has slightly ok stats because of the four tank battalions
remove the line arty and get better support companies
a bigger division is better for attacking
u could add like 6 more tanks and another infantry
wraith mauve
Ok
faint carbon
Is this good
use prnt/scrn please, that's ugly
limpid mantle
hollow silo
wat
wind fog
hmmm 🇪🇺
digital aurora
Thoughts on my new destroyer?
waxen fossil
The person who decided to deploy me to a naval invasion is a monster
eternal palm
Thoughts on my new destroyer?
This is pretty bad. AA on screens is almost useless because naval bombers will always target capitals first, so I'd invest into AA on those instead. You have many types of modules which means that it can do everything but very badly amd why only use torp and radar one on a 44 DD?
Either make a roach dd with nothing but 1 gun and 1 engine or spam torps
marble igloo
Thoughts on my new destroyer?
bad
I'll go further into what creep was saying
Destroyers have 3 purposes 1. Taking hits for your capital ships/cruisers. 2. Minelaying 3. Getting rid of subs
The first one is the roach build: level 1 gun, level 1 engine, nothing else. Cheap as possible. Best year as possible
eternal palm
Destroyers have 3 purposes 1. Taking hits for your capital ships/cruisers. 2. Mi...
You can reduce it to 1 lmao. Minelaying is basically useless and navs get rid of subs faster
marble igloo
The second build: level 1 gun, level 1 engine, pure rails on every slot you can put one. You set them to no-engagment
marble igloo
You can reduce it to 1 lmao. Minelaying is basically useless and navs get rid of...
I disagree. Minelaying can boost superiority very fast, allowing for easier naval invasions
I use it to cheese britain when i can't get enough ships+planes
Basically, mines+air superiority + small fleet = naval invade britain
eternal palm
I disagree. Minelaying can boost superiority very fast, allowing for easier nava...
Uh you know how much supremacy 1k mines give? Its 5%. And it takes ages for them to be laid and AI does do minelaying
You can literally just make carriers and air and youll get there faster
marble igloo
If you have 10 destroyers on a single tile minelaying when they cost a little bit more than roach destroyer, it adds up fast
eternal palm
Minelaying is not relevant to naval supremacy at all
eternal palm
If you have 10 destroyers on a single tile minelaying when they cost a little bi...
It still takes long
marble igloo
Agree to disagree then.
eternal palm
Longer than getting supremacy the normal way. Trust me, if mines were any good, we'd know
Its not some secret tech we forgot about
Theres a reason nobody uses them
marble igloo
I am almost to 100% achievements
marble igloo
trust me when i say, i've played every nation, and they are niche, but they have a use
eternal palm
Then recommend them when its a niche case and not outright?
marble igloo
Anyways, the third design is level 1 gun, max level sonar you can put, max level radar you can put, level 1 engine, 2-4 depth charges.
eternal palm
kek
marble igloo
There is technically a fourth niche design. You can spam torpedos to help clear enemy screens if your capital ships don't do enough
eternal palm
There is technically a fourth niche design. You can spam torpedos to help clear ...
Torp doesnt do anything to screens. Torp attack is essentially 25% of heavy attack. So its pretty good if u have very high torp attack you shred enemy capitals
marble igloo
At that point i'd usually research torpedo cruiser
eternal palm
Eh fine
marble igloo
And to be fair, even with all that being said. If i'm fighting ai, i default to anecohic tiles with maxed out submarines
nothing like undetectable subs to destroy everything at a low cost
eternal palm
But muh naval larp
marble igloo
If you start as a big naval country though, then it's basically roach destroyers with good capital ships
trim pike
eternal palm
I need to roleplay the battle of Jutland
trim pike
lmao
eternal palm
SHBB all the way
trim pike
Aa shbb
lone sail
i always delete my navy until i research radars, then i start making a submarine only navy
marble igloo
Right now i'm trying to cheese the australia-hungary achievement
Almost had it until hungary joined the axis..... then everything fell apart when finland joined the allies on me
kind of messed up the soviets hard
There is one thing i do even with subs only
Max radar + sonar + cruisers + aircraft facilities
I make scouter cruisers on non-engagement
eternal palm
The only reason I make a naval facility is for proximity fuse
15% more air attack LETS GOOOOOO
marble igloo
40 1940 subs on strike force + 9 scouter cruisers go brrrr
I love prox fuse. but anecohic tiles is broken
It's better than max level snorkel
pearl jackal
hi guys
marble igloo
and you can afford it as low/no-rubber countries if you give up on having an airforce
pearl jackal
whats a good path for ussr (no nsb)
marble igloo
third rome or base soviets
marble igloo
Yes, but try to avoid losing guys to the stalin purges
pearl jackal
alr
trim pike
whats a good path for ussr (no nsb)
Historical
pearl jackal
hm ok
trim pike
Purge is just pp game
pearl jackal
how do i get the paranoia down
trim pike
Nuke ur navy
pearl jackal
Purge is just pp game
true
marble igloo
Third rome sacrifices your early army, but helps negate long term problems stalin has. Stalin has some major debuffs from trotsky's plot, along with purges
trim pike
how does it work
Click the inspect navy
marble igloo
And also yeah, soviet union navy is pointless
trim pike
Stalin does not have major debuffs
pearl jackal
Third rome sacrifices your early army, but helps negate long term problems stali...
yeah true but im not doing a civil war
pearl jackal
Click the inspect navy
huh ok
marble igloo
Same with the early game planes. Sell them off on the market
marble igloo
Just set price to high and improve relationship with someone
marble igloo
yeah true but im not doing a civil war
Well stalin is the only path that isn't civil war
pearl jackal
i might use some planes but ig i'll just destroy le navy
pearl jackal
Well stalin is the only path that isn't civil war
yeah true
marble igloo
SSSR is one of the worst to do the civil war with, terrible supply line
The third rome war does have a bad location, but cavalry makes up for it, you just rush into deep areas and then get little helpers
icy crescent
Fighting in Siberia isn't fun - so I've heard.
digital aurora
This is pretty bad. AA on screens is almost useless because naval bombers will a...
im gonna refit it with better tier torpedos and radars i just haven't researched them yet, my main reserach focus was industry and military because of the looming invasion in 1941
marble igloo
And the last one has the best location, but doesn't get much for buffs
eternal palm
im gonna refit it with better tier torpedos and radars i just haven't researched...
Dont refit, just make new ones instead
marble igloo
^
with destroyers refitting is mostly useless
they are cheap already
the best refits i've done is usually a cruiser removing minelaying rails and adding something that is useful.
pearl jackal
SSSR is one of the worst to do the civil war with, terrible supply line
damn ok
pearl jackal
The third rome war does have a bad location, but cavalry makes up for it, you ju...
alr
marble igloo
I say third rome because you usually end up there in the end, and the guy you get is probably the best leader for buffs
pearl jackal
i might rush for some free land first and then some industry
marble igloo
it's the provisional government to start
pearl jackal
I say third rome because you usually end up there in the end, and the guy you ge...
hmm ok
pearl jackal
it's the provisional government to start
yeah alr
marble igloo
If you do a civil war as well, make sure to prep the supply lines and infrastructure in those spots and it helps to convert your units to a single anti-air to trap stalin's troops in place
kind of works for any country civil war.
You lose your unit xp though and have to convert your troops back.
marble igloo
In which case, you switch to cavalry. Lots of other cheese strats, that's just the basic
digital aurora
with destroyers refitting is mostly useless
Alright fair enough, i assume its heavy cruisers upwards i want to refit depending on if its just cheaper to get a new one?
marble igloo
Alright fair enough, i assume its heavy cruisers upwards i want to refit dependi...
Usually yeah
digital aurora
Ah alright thanks, last thing i want is to realise that i have to scrap all these battle cruisers
marble igloo
It helps if you have a national spirit that speeds up refit time
and naval refit yards is 100% needed if you refit for spirit of the navy
it's also the spirit of the navy you always end on for any game for the repair speed
eternal palm
SSSR is one of the worst to do the civil war with, terrible supply line
Which one? As Left oppo the civil war is stupid easy and as right oppo you just kill stalin without cw
The only really "hard" one is tsarist
and that can be cheesed as you said
digital aurora
it's also the spirit of the navy you always end on for any game for the repair s...
Alright thanks i will most likely do that once my fleet has finished rebuilding, should be around 1950 rip
eternal palm
💀
marble igloo
I've never seen tsarist as hard. i just build up the infrastructure, cheese the army to make it slightly easier(it's not even hard if you don't convert), and then each tile you take from stalin will slowly convert more of stalin's army to your own along with a lot of small nations like ukraine and georgia rise up to help.
eternal palm
I've never seen tsarist as hard. i just build up the infrastructure, cheese the ...
Hence the air quotes 🤷♂️
digital aurora
Well might be sooner, if i can build enough naval yards
eternal palm
Its just marginally harder than the other one
eternal palm
The one that puts you in arkanglesk
Well thats right oppo and you dont have to do that
You can just kill stalin
literally
marble igloo
I just always see the AI mess that one up
eternal palm
Yea cuz AI is stupid
marble igloo
Yeah left oppo is by far the easiest
eternal palm
You can literally spawn in a single state and still win lol
marble igloo
But again, doesn't get very good focuses down the road
eternal palm
But again, doesn't get very good focuses down the road
Excuse me?
What about left oppo is bad
marble igloo
hm
eternal palm
You basically divide yourself up.
You can just go middle path???
You dont have to do your pol focuses either
marble igloo
if i liked playing as the soviets maybe i would look harder at the tree
eternal palm
You also remove politicised military outright
marble igloo
gotcha
eternal palm
if i liked playing as the soviets maybe i would look harder at the tree
Please do
Trotsky is by far the best soviets
Best Russia infact
marble igloo
Already did all my russian achievements sadly
eternal palm
Oh and if u do return democracy to the party you get 2 advisors that give you a combined 10% cap and 25% output
marble igloo
You want to know insane? Successfully take at least half of India with the mughal civil war path and go with an 18w elephant division
support arty and anti-air, pioneers, rangers, and maint company
If you get someone with engineer + scavenger, they just run over everything and rarely run out of supply
The only problem is when you try to cross a 1 tile fjord like in italy. They can't.
pearl jackal
In which case, you switch to cavalry. Lots of other cheese strats, that's just t...
how do i remove political paranoia?
marble igloo
So having a backup squad of 6 18w marines or 6 21w marines(9+1 arty) let's you cross those gaps
pearl jackal
lots of focuses requires political paranoia to be off
marble igloo
how do i remove political paranoia?
In your decisions tab you kind of having to micro manage it. And avoid options that kill your important guys. Sometimes best to sacrifice a useless naval officer
pearl jackal
lots of focuses requires political paranoia to be off
i mean this
marble igloo
Carefully manage political power, it's a very important resource
pearl jackal
alr
marble igloo
You'll want to rush down stalin's political path for the purges
pearl jackal
alr
marble igloo
then look for focuses that give extra political power and lower paranoia when able
pearl jackal
ok
marble igloo
If you run out of good options, focus on the economy and ramp up
pearl jackal
so i get to remove it at the end or smth
marble igloo
If you're playing historical, your first war will be defending against germany in 1941
Yes. once you finish the 3 great purges and pathway, political paranoia is gone
pearl jackal
oh nice
marble igloo
That's why you rush it. And watch your timer
marble igloo
Getting rid of that system as fast as possible let's you get a big pick of generals, field marshals, politicians etc.
pearl jackal
ok
im not on historical but germany did the funny rhineland :/
its better than democratic tho i feel
marble igloo
Well non-historical can put you into a war with germany as early as 1939
pearl jackal
fascist germany is usually pretty weak
pearl jackal
Well non-historical can put you into a war with germany as early as 1939
yeah true
marble igloo
If they stay fascist
And the pick the funny button(war against all communism)
Have had that happen a lot
nothing like having 10 countries turn communist and watch germany fight half the world
usually ends up devolving into a massive 1v1v1v1 with lots of factions
and a lot of lag by 1942
though i have had some really bad ones where germany stays fascist, UK goes king's party, italy stays fascist and the trifecta murders everything
Another bad one was half the world was democratic and the UK, US, France, Italy, and a few others ran it
made it impossible to declare war without getting converted to democratic
if anyone wants the fascist save file. I have it still. i was playing australia and teamed up with the USA and japan.
It is a bad file
wet basalt
Holy
pearl jackal
Have had that happen a lot
oh damn
wet basalt
Marz, i took 3 glances at your paragraph and each one of them saw a different ideology
pearl jackal
and a lot of lag by 1942
thats bad
eternal palm
<@&846894118219022336>
pearl jackal
Marz, i took 3 glances at your paragraph and each one of them saw a different id...
i dont blame u
pearl jackal
alr
pearl jackal
reloading usually helps some. and it depends on how many civil wars happen
whats a good soviet tank template?
clear dagger
marble igloo
god i hate scammers
marble igloo
whats a good soviet tank template?
Soviet tank, or just tank in general? i would say tank in general
pearl jackal
Soviet tank, or just tank in general? i would say tank in general
just tank in general
do people actually fall for this
marble igloo
Essentially: Pick a medium tank MIO that has good production boosts and potentially soft attack boosts. Always go medium tanks.
marble igloo
Next up: Are you playing vs ai or people?
pearl jackal
also whats a good width?
eternal palm
whats a good soviet tank template?
Assume the tds are normal tanks
With heavy howitzer
eternal palm
also whats a good width?
16w for line inf 35-36w for attacking units
marble igloo
3 person turret, medium howitser highest level. aim for at least 8 max speed with gasoline engine and 70% or better reliability. Focus mostly on soft attack/breakthrough. Keep your hardness at least at 80(just don't pick the cheap armor)
pearl jackal
16w for line inf 35-36w for attacking units
ok
pearl jackal
uh ok
eternal palm
3 person turret, medium howitser highest level. aim for at least 8 max speed wit...
The armor slot doesnt affect hardness?
U been playing too much r56
And rel does nothing
You always lose something regardless of 100% rel. And you only take attrition when in bad supply and you shouldnt be sitting in bad supply in the first place
eternal palm
which ones are tanks
If u dont know the difference between TD and tanks I suggest you play some more
pearl jackal
alr
marble igloo
The armor slot doesnt affect hardness?
The armor you pick does. One of them increases it to 82%, one of them decreases it to like 40
eternal palm
The armor you pick does. One of them increases it to 82%, one of them decreases ...
Factually incorrect
Not in vanilla
marble igloo
Yes in vanilla. let me pull up a good save file real quick and screenshot it
eternal palm
Cast armore increases it by 2% iirc but riveted doesnt decrease it
eternal palm
Yes in vanilla. let me pull up a good save file real quick and screenshot it
Oh yes please
just ignore that you can literally see in my screenshot that the tank has 85% hardness with riveted but oh well
sudden grotto
<@&846894118219022336>
eternal palm
hm, i am misremembering something
Yea the tracks on light tanks decrease it by 20%
eternal palm
??????
YOure making shit up now
Thats not how that works
base medium hardness is 85
marble igloo
let me double check. i could have sworn my inter-war medium on australia had 80%
eternal palm
It increases with different types of tank chassis
marble igloo
and my completed world conquest file had 85
half onyx
This is a scam ^
Do not interact with it
marble igloo
hm nope, inter-war medium on completed file has 85 too...
icy crescent
RoadToFiftySix Mod.
marble igloo
Cast armor increases it 2%
I have never played that in my life
I don't play modded
eternal palm
what is r56?
how have u not heard of it 💀
eternal palm
I have never played that in my life
Ok good. Shit mod anyhow
marble igloo
and i also only recently started trying to use more tank divisions
like after 70% of my achievements were done i figured out how to use them
there is a reason i have over 2k hours in the game 🙁
eternal palm
there is a reason i have over 2k hours in the game 🙁
I have like triple that lol
Almost*
marble igloo
Having to plane/infantry mix meta the entire time is a pain
especially as minor countries
marble igloo
at my worst i had to just use forts and let the ai run out of manpower by 1955
iran, iraq, and afghanistan issues
eternal palm
Iran and Iraq were fine, they at least had good early expansion options
Afghanistan is and was awful
marble igloo
@pearl jackal Creep sent a good tank design, for the most part. I like having 8 speed or more. a 36 width division using 5 or 6 medium tanks, 0 or 1 heavy tanks(you build a heavy tank with as much hardness and armor you can put on it), and the rest mechanized. Along with support anti-air, support arti, motorized recon, engineers or pioneers, and then either military police for soft attack, maintence company for reliability/eq capture, field hospital to keep the xp on it from dropping as fast, or logistics if you lack fuel/oil.
The best of those last 5 has usually been field hospital for me
pearl jackal
oh nice
pearl jackal
Afghanistan is and was awful
i got them as an ally :)
digital aurora
Hm, if i could build another 70 shipyards i could get out 15 super heavy battleships just over every year
marble igloo
It starts out kind of expensive, and you might only be able to build 2-6 of them to start. You'll slowly want to build up to 12 of them. I recommend mixing them with 12 mountaineer divisions of 25 width. Mountainers = 3 arti + mountaineers. support arti, anti-air, engineers or pioneers, rangers, and either field hospital or military police
pearl jackal
<@1166317869911511053> Creep sent a good tank design, for the most part. I like ...
8 kmh?
marble igloo
yeah
pearl jackal
<@1166317869911511053> Creep sent a good tank design, for the most part. I like ...
how much mech?
marble igloo
3 rows of 4. so 12 slots of mechanized 6 slots of tanks
eternal palm
<@1166317869911511053> Creep sent a good tank design, for the most part. I like ...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732726938149322773/1309599122520805488/image.png?ex=68b002f9&is=68aeb179&hm=5bf40a8c1b0afba274eb248e5f956e8a8d6b04a7e877c5a2df1896a79fad1c88&
For template I do this usually
marble igloo
Final build = 1250 infantry equipment, 480 mech, 40 trucks, 80 support eq, 300 medium tanks. Or if you throw in the heavy or modern tank as a 6th tank slot. it's 250 mediums and 40 heavys or 50 moderns
eternal palm
the helicopter is a bit overkill so just use regular logi
eternal palm
Final build = 1250 infantry equipment, 480 mech, 40 trucks, 80 support eq, 300 m...
Why have 3 different types of tanks? I get heavy for armor meme what exactly is the modern for?
marble igloo
My build has a lot better org, but 100 less soft attack
marble igloo
Why have 3 different types of tanks? I get heavy for armor meme what exactly is ...
2 types
eternal palm
My build has a lot better org, but 100 less soft attack
Depends on the doctrine
hushed shell
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732726938149322773/1309599122520805488/im...
u need armored recon
defently
eternal palm
u need armored recon
U really dont
marble igloo
I use superior firepower to be fair
eternal palm
I dont need hard attack in sp
marble igloo
you use more tanks than mechs than i do
eternal palm
rangers are so much better
eternal palm
I use superior firepower to be fair
See thats the mistake. SFP might be the worst doctrine in the game lol
I use gbp for tanks and mass mob for inf
GBP has more stats cuz of planning and much better break even at base
marble igloo
See thats the mistake. SFP might be the worst doctrine in the game lol
for tanks maybe
marble igloo
My first time hearing someone say that to be fair
eternal palm
whatever sfp is doing gbp does it better
marble igloo
I used to use mass assault for infantry
eternal palm
My first time hearing someone say that to be fair
Yea if u dwell in here u hear some extremely IQ deficient takes
marble igloo
But then it started having major issues for me
eternal palm
I used to use mass assault for infantry
That is the best choice noooooo
pearl jackal
3 rows of 4. so 12 slots of mechanized 6 slots of tanks
so this?
hushed shell
sfp sucks ass
eternal palm
I also saw u recommended arty templates which is like, dont do it. Inf doesnt need stats, it needs org so adding something that reduces org and hp is bad
pearl jackal
its '38
marble igloo
so this?
Yeah that's my build. You'd just swap lights for mediums and motorized for mechanized
pearl jackal
pretend lie the light is med
pearl jackal
Yeah that's my build. You'd just swap lights for mediums and motorized for mecha...
yeah alr
hushed shell
field hospital
marble igloo
Don't save that and waste xp though
hushed shell
and flame
eternal palm
Okay mass mob vs deep battle
Those are 2 completely different doctrines. Deep Battle is alright. It is a worse version of gpb r but mass mob is outright the best doctrine in the game
hushed shell
and assualt engi
eternal palm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732726938149322773/1309599122520805488/im...
@pearl jackal Just do this
Much better
lethal ether
See thats the mistake. SFP might be the worst doctrine in the game lol
i have no idea why bittersteel uses it
marble igloo
Those are 2 completely different doctrines. Deep Battle is alright. It is a wors...
mass mob and deep battle INSIDE the mass assault doctrine
pearl jackal
Yeah that's my build. You'd just swap lights for mediums and motorized for mecha...
wheres mech?
eternal palm
i have no idea why bittersteel uses it
Cuz he doesnt know better
pearl jackal
<@1166317869911511053> Just do this
k
eternal palm
but he honestly says often that he doesnt care about meta
he just does what he likes
but him doing guides is kinda hypocritical
pearl jackal
See thats the mistake. SFP might be the worst doctrine in the game lol
it IS the worst doctrine in the game
marble igloo
wheres mech?
in the infantry equipment research section, it comes after trucks
umbral agate
what happened
pearl jackal
grand battleplan on top
pearl jackal
in the infantry equipment research section, it comes after trucks
oh ok
pearl jackal
what happened
the brightness pains my eyes
lethal ether
he just does what he likes
i mean in singleplayer you can roleplay and do whatever you wish and go fully historical
marble igloo
Someone needs to go tell bittersteel he should stop recommending superior firepower
eternal palm
Someone needs to go tell bittersteel he should stop recommending superior firepo...
@heavy vigil is doing a fine job at that
I dont watch him anymore i just sit in his discord
and chat with friends lol
marble igloo
i have no idea why bittersteel uses it
yeah, i kind of started using it after i seen bittersteels units doing better than mine
to be fair, his videos have rapidly sped up my achievement progress
and i adapt a bunch of stuff
high org, hp, and soft attack are my main focuses on divisions i design now
marble igloo
Those are 2 completely different doctrines. Deep Battle is alright. It is a wors...
So anyways, you said mass mob inside the mass assault doctrine is the best path for infantry?
eternal palm
So anyways, you said mass mob inside the mass assault doctrine is the best path ...
Yep
marble igloo
Is it just for the extra recruitable pop, or is there something special to it?
eternal palm
Reinforce rate is huge, width reduction is huge and guerilla tactics is the best defense tactic in the game
The manpower is just a nice bonus
marble igloo
reinforce rate, combat width shenanigans, and guerilla tactics. alright
eternal palm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732726938149322773/1399299746564149350/image.png?ex=68b00bf1&is=68aeba71&hm=e2be78f9086cfefb45ed3ad6711621451cfeda733742874d82da2eae960d872e&
It allows you to do shit like this
Which is funny
marble igloo
Ah i see now
I've been using 9/1 squads with a focus on soft attack support companies
eternal palm
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732726938149322773/1399299747474444353/image.png?ex=68b00bf1&is=68aeba71&hm=263425dfb93bae45f5556afc4a21a25444b45444b68a10105a164baa199160b5&
For linf its similar to this
all sp of course
marble igloo
So i do support arti, artillery, engineers, rangers, and military police or maint comp
eternal palm
I've been using 9/1 squads with a focus on soft attack support companies
Yea support really isnt meant to stack soft attack, its more to stack terrain buffs
the last 2 are basically useless
marble igloo
And the 21w infantry can break through the early game
eternal palm
maintenance doesnt capture the IC it costs
marble igloo
then i switch into 25 or 30 width mountaineers, along with tanks or mass cas
eternal palm
and military police is nice, but there are more important things like logi
marble igloo
logi just reduces supply consumption at that point right?
eternal palm
logi just reduces supply consumption at that point right?
"just"? Thats huge?
U can stack more units on a line that would be otherwise supply capped
or do you wanna spend IC building rails all game
Youll have to do that anyway, but you have to do less of it
marble igloo
I'm just so used to building railways i stopped ignoring supply
eternal palm
lol yea its useful when you dont have the CIC to do that
marble igloo
I just focus on: I will push and take all the good supply areas, biff the ai on their supply areas, and barely reinforce low supply areas to build in a straight line to china's capital
Because china iss the only low supply area i tend to have issues with
eternal palm
Hence logi could help
marble igloo
Sometimes russia, but having a collab on them fixes it too
eternal palm
Its useful late game when you have too many divs on a front and you cant build more hubs cuz you dont have time or cic, logi is just very useful
marble igloo
Now. teaming up with russia also gives a supply issues because they flood your areas and steal your supply
eternal palm
Not picking it is kinda bad
marble igloo
Grand battleplan would also be good then right? it has a spirit that gives supply bonus
marble igloo
What is the best line for cavalry?
marble igloo
say i want to use 9/1 cavalry with 9 cav 1 motorized arti
eternal palm
Thats mighty stupid
marble igloo
let's say the 6 speed is important enough to use them instead of infantry for my specific need for them
eternal palm
Speed isnt nearly as important as you might think
marble igloo
Because infantry end up being too slow
and they don't move into place as fast as i need them
lethal ether
to be fair, his videos have rapidly sped up my achievement progress
everybody has flaws lol
marble igloo
I need to specifically move faster than basic infantry
eternal palm
The problem is that speed gets nuked by bad infra, air, weather and so on
You'll end up moving at 1kmh anyhow, so investing into speed is really not that useful
lethal ether
Speed isnt nearly as important as you might think
early game when frontlines are thin? extremely important to abuse breakthroughs. late game? useless
marble igloo
I need to speficially move faster than basic infantry on somewhat good supply and infrastructure
it's entirely for early game achievement cheesing
eternal palm
early game when frontlines are thin? extremely important to abuse breakthroughs....
If u just pause micro you are able to out speed AI just by doing that
marble igloo
like 1937 and 1938 wars
eternal palm
You only need one
eternal palm
microing isn't enough
it is
marble igloo
it really wasn't
eternal palm
Then that is an issue on your part
marble igloo
no i tried it with infantry
lethal ether
You dont need speed to be faster than AI
you do actually. they dont put a division on a single tile, you can flow so many speedy units and encircle thier whole army
eternal palm
I havent invested in speed since forever and havent noticed a differenec
eternal palm
you do actually. they dont put a division on a single tile, you can flow so many...
Not really
marble igloo
the enemy has a couple light tanks/motorized that messed it up
eternal palm
I havent had any issues with that
marble igloo
the cavalry got past that issue
eternal palm
Speed really does not matter
lethal ether
Speed really does not matter
k
marble igloo
another issue
Even if i micro well with the infantry
i can't let the soviets get too much war score
or i can't take any of the territory i need
So i have to outspeed the soviet troops along with enemy troops
I need the occupation score boost
eternal palm
Very specific?
marble igloo
I'm Australia trying to invade romania
eternal palm
Almost too specific to be relevant
marble igloo
It's for the australia-hungary achievement
eternal palm
Are u snaking or fighting
eternal palm
See thats something else entirely lol
marble igloo
pushing into gaps in romania
eternal palm
I never said cav was bad for snaking
marble igloo
The soviets are doing all the heavy work
eternal palm
ofc you need speed to snake
lethal ether
It's for the australia-hungary achievement
australia hungary 🙏
eternal palm
Thats if you know that the enemy cant fight back
But if it can, you dont need speed to encircle
Those are 2 different things
marble igloo
So specific case: i declare war on turkey, it pulls in romania. I let the soviets fight turkey and romania while i have my 10 cav break a specific supply hub in romania which opens a big gap that i push through
With this, i have to land grab as fast as possible for the occupation score, or the soviets take everything in the peace deal
eternal palm
See good in that specific case, not in general and thats fine
But dont go around fooling yourself that cav is any good in general
marble igloo
So i was wondering what the best doctrine would be for this. And i think it is grand battleplan?
Australia starts with one level in gb
marble igloo
okay yeah, i see the boosts now in the first 3 slots
the downside then would be supply consumption goes up. so hopefully that doesn't pose a problem
eternal palm
the downside then would be supply consumption goes up. so hopefully that doesn't...
I assume youre snaking with 2w cav
dont need supply
clear dagger
luxembourg holds against the sheeps ai
marble igloo
I assume youre snaking with 2w cav
That's a decent idea. I do need to breakthrough a few troops though.
maybe i could do 6 of my good squads then a bunch of dummy squads?
eternal palm
That's a decent idea. I do need to breakthrough a few troops though.
Can u make more units? So make like 4 big units to break the tile then snake with 2w
marble igloo
I can do 10 9/1 cav squads with maxed out support gear before i run out of manpower
So, 6 big units and then a bunch of little idiots could work
zenith charm
luxembourg holds against the sheeps ai
karl marx portrait carrying
clear dagger
karl marx portrait carrying
literally a third of my entire population is in the army lmao
marble igloo
so i will have 42 of the 2 width cav, and 6 of my good squad
clear dagger
everyone except for literal toddlers are in the war
marble igloo
and see how this works
zenith charm
everyone except for literal toddlers are in the war
kids carrying luxembourg war machine
welcome back to 1830 england
clear dagger
maybe thats why they only make 7 guns a day
marble igloo
iceland is a funnier one
clear dagger
oh no way sheeps mod fixed japan going to war on dec 7th instead of like frickin august
lethal ether
luxembourg holds against the sheeps ai
USE THAT EMPTY RESEARCH SLOT
marble igloo
you got a doctor producing 200 manpower a day alongside karl marx's portrait of 500
clear dagger
USE THAT EMPTY RESEARCH SLOT
i did
marble igloo
for my iceland achievements i cheesed a naval landing into japan to puppet them.
clear dagger
i took the ss right after a research finished
marble igloo
which then let me make colonial divisions to cheese out actual manpower
It is REALLY HARD taking the entirity of japan with just 5 marine divisions
lethal ether
i took the ss right after a research finished
i wonder how long u can hold for
ull just run out of manpower
marble igloo
luxembourg holds against the sheeps ai
Did you build max forts+anti air?
emphasis on anti-air.
cas is killer
clear dagger
Did you build max forts+anti air?
no i built nothing but fuel silos obviously
they're not even bombing me anymore they lost 400 cas within like a month
clear dagger
they're barely attacking
marble igloo
I'll ignore the sarcasm since my name is Marshall
that name is 4 letters off my actual name
clear dagger
my only problem is i have to race to get the benelux otherwise after the soviets fall im dead
marble igloo
My question is, why don't you currently own belgium?
clear dagger
because holding belgium requires more than 12 units to have 1 per tile
marble igloo
when i did my luxembourg playthrough i focused on taking them over, then setting up a pseudo-maginot line, keeps france in longer
lethal ether
holding a tile is easier than holding multiple
marble igloo
What combat width are you using?
marble igloo
You don't need to join the allies to ignore france regardless
You just need to let germany take like 500k casualties to france and let the allies use their air support for a bit
then you abandon the pseudo line when italy breaks in
and go back to your main spot
clear dagger
i did a playthrough where i did take the benelux early as lux
july 38 to be precise
marble igloo
Are you going for an achievement, or just having fun as luxembourg?
clear dagger
be- belgium
ne- netherlands
lux- luxembourg
benelux
marble igloo
Too bad Baltics doesn't work the same way
clear dagger
Are you going for an achievement, or just having fun as luxembourg?
what achievement
lethal ether
https://tenor.com/view/get-this-man-a-get-this-man-a-gold-get-this-man-a-trophy-...
ts feels like i discovered a new continent
marble igloo
B- Bull**** - A -Ass L-loser T-Triad I - Instantaneously C-Collapses
clear dagger
you know this could entirely be common knowledge and we're just slow lol
marble igloo
Luxembourg has one achievement
As luxembourg led by Charles Marx control both Brussels and Trier
so you need to take out belgium, and also manage to push into germany
It helps to have france alive to do this
clear dagger
i already have that
marble igloo
ah
clear dagger
also i cant get achievements cause of sheeps mod
marble igloo
OH when you said sheep you meant the mod
clear dagger
yeah
marble igloo
i thought it meant sheep ai as in, ai is dumb and likes to run into forts
clear dagger
also i clicked the option where it spams supply hubs randomly everywhere so japan owns china now
marble igloo
lol
eternal palm
i thought it meant sheep ai as in, ai is dumb and likes to run into forts
Sheep Ai is the exact opposite lmaoooo
grizzled lark
Sheep Ai is the exact opposite lmaoooo
Macro is good ai micro is meh
clear dagger
cause ill have 3 million men charge at me
grizzled lark
But it is still better than normal ai
clear dagger
well actually im more worried about 5000 bombers coming towards me
eternal palm
Macro is good ai micro is meh
Still best barb I've had in sp
grizzled lark
Still best barb I've had in sp
Bcs you suck btw
eternal palm
Sheep is actually a monster on historical
grizzled lark
eternal palm
Bcs you suck btw
Try sov I dare you
grizzled lark
Sheep is actually a monster on historical
You have played with them?
eternal palm
Bro finland is a menace 😭
grizzled lark
Bro finland is a menace 😭
That is why I killed them at winter war
I am not gonna bother with that shit
eternal palm
idk what sheep did to it
its crazy
I mean in winter war
if u attack in 39 ur dead
grizzled lark
idk what sheep did to it
Made it abuse its actually op stats
eternal palm
It just turtles up in Helsinki
clear dagger
go around
grizzled lark
if u attack in 39 ur dead
Rangers in every single div
eternal palm
YES
grizzled lark
- mountaineers
sudden grotto
i dont tthink thtats enough
grizzled lark
i dont tthink thtats enough
Show designs
eternal palm
20k planes in 1 airport 💀
sudden grotto
Show designs
they are mostly random captured planes lol
grizzled lark
20k planes in 1 airport 💀
Overstacking final boss