hoi4-general

[eternal palm]

You haven't

Tried 11.2 mass mob

[leaden crescent]

i went in air

no what

i tried space marines

[marsh ravine]

11.2w

[eternal palm]

So you haven't tried everything

[marsh ravine]

[eternal palm]

Right sorry

[marsh ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[leaden crescent]

is that .6w really gonna save me

[eternal palm]

Uh yeah????

[marsh ravine]

Its just from the doctrine lmao

[lone sail]

what mod

[eternal palm]

It means more stats for same width

[grizzled yarrow]

we do a little trolling

[primal timber]

r56

[leaden crescent]

yea but

is it really that game changing

[eternal palm]

Yes

The doctrine does more than that

You also get Guerilla Tactics, reinforce rate, org

[primal timber]

the allies pulling a classic move of

doing nothing

theres literally nothing on the border what the hell are you doing leon

no wait its reynaud

im gonna have to do an offensive for him

[marsh ravine]

Btw its 0.8 not 0.6 lmao

[leaden crescent]

what template

[marsh ravine]

11.2w

Mass assault right side

[primal timber]

i had to

make an offensive for france

because most of the wehrmacht is in the east with me

i can't help but notice

because the germans got their endsieg

they just summoned 4 armies worth of wheelchairs

[lone sail]

volksturm moment

[primal timber]

funny thing

they have like

5 regular volkssturm

the rest is in wheelchairs

[lone sail]

whats their template

[primal timber]

literally just this

[lone sail]

what mod

[primal timber]

r56

[gilded vessel]

oh my god i never realized

[mellow jetty]

Big Japan

[primal timber]

they still have

regular infantry

so thats holding me back

[primal timber]

average ww2 alt-hist mod

if the allies and i can take wurzburg

[vapid bough]

Why didnt Japan think of just not going south smh

[primal timber]

we can get a funny encirclement

[marsh ravine]

But no push in India

[mellow jetty]

Played Historical tho

[vapid bough]

I got dragged against the Allies unwillingly 💀

[primal timber]

i'd say its

not looking good for hitler

[vapid bough]

I was gonna fight the Allies after I neutered the US fleet but Chile happened

[primal timber]

some of you may and have died but thats a sacrifice im willing to make

hitler didnt see this coming

[mellow jetty]

eeww

[marsh ravine]

?

[atomic spoke]

So the german reich cspitulated the soviets made russian empire for some reason invaded british raj-capitulated british raj then invaded greeenland and iceland but for some reason the Germans keep 100 divisions in France and around 80 in asia but only 20 in Italy that gets attacked by 80 american divisions 33 british ones and 26 from new Zealand

In what universe does this make sense

[primal timber]

i think if we

can get a few more big VPs on germany

then we can be done with them

i think i figured out part of why they're losing

[eternal palm]

AI is dumb

[atomic spoke]

Also i like how italy in the same day want's to provide 3 times land lease that has (0 stuff)

[atomic spoke]

It's 1945 and the allies are just in Italy yet

Meanwhile japanese empire is as intact as it could be

[eternal palm]

AI is dumb 🤷‍♂️

[atomic spoke]

And they didn't even bothered reconquering the British raj

[eternal palm]

Dont expect the AI to act like you would

it doesnt think

[atomic spoke]

Also romania joined the chinese united front

[analog ivy]

NEVER DECLARE WAR ON CHILE ITS BEEN 4 INGAME YEARS

[atomic spoke]

Skill issue maybe?

[eternal palm]

The naval invasion in question:

The missing supply in question:

The missing cas in question:

[primal timber]

germany is in

utter disarray

[atomic spoke]

Bitterstell would clutch

[primal timber]

steiner can save it trust

[analog ivy]

i cant naval invade

[atomic spoke]

Just hold a river

[eternal palm]

Research the tech?????

You had 4 years????

[primal timber]

they're my ally dawg

what did i steal from them

[analog ivy]

what tech???

[primal timber]

yeah i think we figured out why you're losing

[lone sail]

It will all be fine if stiener attacks.

[analog ivy]

WHAT TECH???

[atomic spoke]

Ngl i think next time i will play any fascist country besides germany and italy ill boost fascism in usa cuz that thing is to overpowered

[primal timber]

the landing craft

[eternal palm]

Naval support.

Invasion tech.

[primal timber]

it's been 4 years and you haven't researched the boat

[analog ivy]

i wish i knew that like 800 hours ago

[atomic spoke]

Ngl i never research naval

At most i go with subs

[primal timber]

i start with exactly 1 coastal state

so i didn't bother researching landing craft

but i

stole prussia from the germans

[merry pond]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-rpg-rocket-launcher-gif-17489024

[atomic spoke]

How dare you

[primal timber]

that was just a side effect of retaking silesia

can the allies take dortmund, cologne and essen 🙏

and munich probably

[eternal palm]

Reading is hard I know

[primal timber]

had to turn GUI off to see the

massive encirclement i have

because it would just look like this

[atomic spoke]

Like how when i play a small nation i end up having as much garrison as manpower i have in the divisions and even if i researched the last technology i either don't have the resources/factorys or manpower to use it

[primal timber]

i just got lightweight anti-tank rifle

what does that even do

[atomic spoke]

Lightweight anti tank

[atomic spoke]

I once had 256divsions in Italy

Couldn't see whos mines whos the enemy ones

[primal timber]

free reddit karma

[atomic spoke]

He went to Argentina

[primal timber]

i think if we take munich or cologne they'll cap

nother inconvenience

for old hitler donitz

and there they go

now for italy

now

how the hell do i get to italy

[mellow jetty]

Where u get those division icons?? Looks really nice

[slim nexus]

Who are you

In the game

[flat barn]

hello third rome enjoyers

[slim nexus]

Hello 4th reich beliver

[urban ivy]

4th rome

or 1st Rome(anian) empire

[flat barn]

he'll win

the soviets will come in on you

trust

[broken plover]

These Soviet generals are armor officers can I also use them for infantry or mountaineers?

[flat barn]

Yes they just level up faster and get units that are armoued higher

They just work better with armour but completely fine with infantry and others

[bronze mango]

I use them all for infantry (except zhukov)

[urban ivy]

i think vasilevsky will get purged

but im not sure

[stark coyote]

No

Kinda sure he's not

[digital aurora]

No he doesn't normally get purged, unless you decide to in a random accusation event

[bronze mango]

No generals get purged as far as I know, only field marshals

[broken plover]

The purge is done I finished it pretty fast

Im in year 1939

[stark coyote]

They purge some generals too

Cant remember rn which ones

[flat barn]

Timeshenko gets purged in my games a lot

[bronze mango]

Via accusation events though, no?

[eternal palm]

That's a skill issue then

[broken plover]

This is my production now and I research AT level 2 soon and start making it I am in end of year 1939

[stark coyote]

No, in the moscow trial

[digital aurora]

Im able to keep paranoia down that only unavoidable purges happen

[eternal palm]

If you haven't grinded them, use the for your line inf

[stark coyote]

3 marshals and a few generals

[eternal palm]

Go down to 2 on light tanks

You won't use them

[stark coyote]

The military*

[flat barn]

No hes a shit general anyway

[broken plover]

I also plan to make the mountineers

[eternal palm]

U need him for army reform though

Losing your best high command is kinda bad

[flat barn]

You do?

[bronze mango]

So clearly none of the generals i usually use, so I didn't even notice

[eternal palm]

Army xp*

[digital aurora]

And also having 1 more general is great, especially if your mass mobilising hundreds of divisions

[eternal palm]

Not reform mb

[flat barn]

Yeah but i grind a general in the spanish civil war to make up for it

[bronze mango]

You can get new army command

[flat barn]

then hire him

as army attack genius

[stark coyote]

There are very few of them, to be honest, but I don't know exactly how many there are

At least Primakov gets purged

[eternal palm]

You still get more xp with him though. Purging him is a bad idea. You can get an army offense guy at barb

[flat barn]

Yeah i guess so

I dont need a lot of exp

[eternal palm]

Wdym 💀

[digital aurora]

i really gotta disband alot of my divisions, im at 0 man power after defeating germany lmao

[flat barn]

The ai really isnt that intimidating

[bronze mango]

Real

[flat barn]

In barb the ai bashes against your line and gives you 500 exp in a few moments anyway

[stark coyote]

It's just one lmao

Its just Primakov as far as I found

[digital aurora]

i have 2 field armies at capacity

[sudden gull]

historical 👍

[flat barn]

Wtf?

[eternal palm]

And that's a reason you play like shit?

[flat barn]

who are you playing as

[eternal palm]

Bruh

[flat barn]

No?

[eternal palm]

Well why do you then

[flat barn]

Germany doesnt ever beat me

[digital aurora]

in my game romania was the whole reason i was able to defeat germany lmao, because i was able to easily penetrate the romanian lines and cut off german supply

[flat barn]

Why do i what?

[flat barn]

oil supply? or

im thinking of investing into cas as the ussr

i always win but its always a slog and comes from a breakthrough in prussia

i bet it would be devastating to the germans

[bronze mango]

Germany gets curbstomped by one full soviet field marshall army

[flat barn]

would be cool to invade the balkans before germany

[digital aurora]

nah supply lines, i was able to penetrate with my 12 tank divsions and tons of infantry divsions through the dniper, and took the onlyrailroad into kiev, thus resulting in germanys defeat

[digital aurora]

I couldn't even penetrate the german lines, they had like 12 tank divisions on a single tile along the riga, i was suprised i was able to take minsk back

[flat barn]

are you playign rn?

[digital aurora]

nah not rn, i finished up the world war and im rearming the soviet army for the third one

[flat barn]

screenshot? or

also hot take but civ greed is overrated

[digital aurora]

I didn't really get images of german defences of the riga area, but here is some of my game

[bronze mango]

You see, I dont retreat, I sit on the german border with that army waiting for the germans, although I do puppet Romania before the war so the scenario might be different, even then the germans melt under cas and infantry, with a couple encirclements by zhukov

[bronze mango]

You didn't take the baltics?

[fallow grove]

Strategic bombing is the best

In mp people quits

[digital aurora]

Nah puppeted them so i can make the front smaller

[fallow grove]

When you strat bomb them

[bronze mango]

Barbarossa is easy

[flat barn]

⚓

[flat barn]

Yes

[digital aurora]

Also don't mind that long ass strand line on the first photo, i raced 3 tank divisions to berlin berfore the allies cold get there

[flat barn]

im gonna send volunteers to ethiopia

[bronze mango]

Usually push all the way to paris to secure the continent and then cap germany so that it doesn't flip to free france

[flat barn]

you gotta go to war with the allies

your iron curtain is going to be so mid if you dont

[digital aurora]

Oh i have puppeted all of the eastern bloc countries in the peace confrence, because i had the most points

Also for some reason germany was left a little bit of its land and started justifying on me and my puppets after i just utterly curbstompped them

and fascist yugoslavia joined the allies too

[bronze mango]

Old screenshot as an example while I am on holiday

[digital aurora]

No marshal zhukov?

[bronze mango]

I prefer to keep him as a general for my tanks

I only make like 24 max tank divisions per round

[digital aurora]

Fair fair

[tiny iris]

Gotta love HOI4 AI.

[digital aurora]

i have like 2 tank armies currently, split between my two army groups

[tiny iris]

They left the damn tile undefended.

[bronze mango]

Also budyonny has an amazing moustache, he deserves the role of field marshall

[digital aurora]

Facts, budyonny and voroshilov are my OG's

I also have a full 24 divisions of cossack cavalry units under the command of Lev Dovator

[bronze mango]

As in those division that that focus gives you?

[digital aurora]

Yup, i replaced the light tank with a armoured car though because i had a massive shortage of those

[bronze mango]

Like 48 tank divisions would probably cause a shortage

[bronze mango]

First ever armoured car user

[digital aurora]

i have an armorued car recon unit in all my rifle divs

[copper cobalt]

Celebration in a Hoi dev house

[urban ivy]

not enough mis

mils

u barely have like 62

[bronze mango]

That sounds extremely expensive really, for me just anti air, artillery, engineers and supply does the trick

[eternal palm]

Pretty pointless, rangers are better at, well, everything

[bronze mango]

Now that I look at this screenshot I do think this is from a non hist game, but pretty much do imagine this minus india and allied African colonies

[eternal palm]

If you dont have 72 tank divs on one general youre doing it wrong

[bronze mango]

72? I've only got 24 max at the end of the war, and 10 at the beginning

[digital aurora]

I have anti-air, artillery and engineers aswell, but i decided to shake things up by giving my infantry a armoured car division

i have 48 tank divisions currently, all under strength

[eternal palm]

lol thats funny. As Russia I can 72 heavy tanks by barb

[broken plover]

Idk I also made civs a lil late Idk what was the reason but how much should I have ussualy mid 1940?

[bronze mango]

Wonder why

[bronze mango]

Waste of time Frankly

[eternal palm]

But funny

[digital aurora]

Couldn't be that i just got out of a massive war where my man power was drained to 0

[eternal palm]

battleplanning with tanks>>>>>>

[digital aurora]

Yes as the soviets my man power was at 0 at the end of war, because of air losses and i was just attacking along the entire front any time i could

[eternal palm]

💀

Battleplan only when greeen

when red, dont click

simple as

[digital aurora]

Pfff battle plan

[bronze mango]

True, also my manpower gets drained by 43' but thats also when the war ends usually

[bronze mango]

Real

[digital aurora]

i just select some divsions and click on a tile

i normally use battle plans, but in this case i just couldn't be bothered

[slim nexus]

back to tannu tuva

[bronze mango]

The fact that tuvan nationalism even exists suprises me

[digital aurora]

Oh that reminds me I need to annex Tuva

[slim nexus]

soviets got in civilwar so comintern is no more, time to get mongolia

[digital aurora]

Annex the entire USSR

[bronze mango]

So called free thinking tuvans the moment the soviet union asks for annexation (they must accept)

[digital aurora]

I’m sure the Tuvan industry and handle the garrisons

[bronze mango]

Well given they can core half of it, yes

[digital aurora]

Didn’t even realise that lmao

[bronze mango]

They can core siberia and turkestan

Two separate formables though

[digital aurora]

Oh yeah garrisons that’s another reason I never annexed the Baltic’s, I didn’t want a little “garrison equipment needed 2 million rifles”

[lone sail]

nationalism appears everywhere

its human instinct

[bronze mango]

Nationalism has existed only for about 300 years

[lone sail]

not really

[digital aurora]

I don’t think cavemen were nationalists

[lone sail]

tribalism is close to nationalism

[bronze mango]

Not at all, nor where the serfs living in the holy roman empire

[ocean mirage]

primalism rules

chat gave me cortisol spike

[bronze mango]

There was no nation to be nationalist about, there was the worry of weather they ate that day or not

[lone sail]

they werent nations in a traditional sense

[digital aurora]

It’s more in human nature to work together and cooperate

[lone sail]

yeah

and thinking that your team is superior to other teams

[bronze mango]

That yes, but there are no caveman nationalists

[lone sail]

thats fundamentally what nationalism is

[digital aurora]

I never said there was, I’m agreeing with you

[slim nexus]

germany trying to form the fascist holy roman empire

[bronze mango]

Well I wasn't claiming you were, I was trying to refuite the other guys argument

[eternal palm]

Uhhh, thats pretty bad. If u just make 50w cav with mp then set your garrison to liberated workers (if communist) you get a lot of factories from baltics. Just make 1 collab each and you're good

Resistance is only a problem in states that you do not own

[bronze mango]

Germany realised that the only way to win ww2 is by not having to babysit mussolini

[digital aurora]

Oh okay

[digital aurora]

I am not making a 40w cav division, every rifle that goes towards a garrison could go towards a new division in preparation for 1941

[ocean mirage]

stop badmouthing the emperor who conquered ethiopia fiercely and fairly

[eternal palm]

Thats no reason to not annex baltics????

You have a stockpile anyhow

[broken plover]

Guys 1941 year just started and I have no army exp to make my designs how can I some fast as USSR?

[eternal palm]

You dont lose that much IC either

[eternal palm]

Shouldve gone to china and what did u do?

[ocean mirage]

its still insane to me how he HAD to use mustard gas to defeat tribes in ethiopia

[eternal palm]

First template then doctrine

[digital aurora]

Yeah but why bother when I can just puppet them

[slim nexus]

holy moly the only good colour italy can have as puppet is this

[eternal palm]

...you get more factories by annexing them

You get a combined 30 civs from baltics

[heavy vigil]

They pay for their own garrisons and give you like a million civs

[eternal palm]

thats huge no

[broken plover]

Couldn't send anything there 🙁

[eternal palm]

Unfortunate

did u already pick doctrine?

[broken plover]

Yes I finished mountainers first and now gbp I just picked 2 of em 🙂

[eternal palm]

Be more careful

first templates, then doctrine

[urban ivy]

wayyyyy more

[digital aurora]

Yeah but if I don’t annex them then the front line is a bit shorter if you can hold it

[eternal palm]

You need latvia for the river hold anyhow?

Not annexing baltics is just a terrible choice

You get so much from them

[urban ivy]

if u do annex them

[broken plover]

What do you think I've done wrong possibly?

[urban ivy]

u get like 23 factories from each latvia and estonia

[misty fossil]

why can i see his thingy

his uh

uh

uh

[urban ivy]

actually u dont really get 23 but that s their factory count

[ocean mirage]

his tooltip

[misty fossil]

that thinga

[eternal palm]

💀

[urban ivy]

and u csn easily hold latvia

[bronze mango]

You can demolish the germans without even needing to retreat, and having a longer front helps

[urban ivy]

u have a supply hub there

[misty fossil]

holy shit s tier response

[urban ivy]

and it s behind river

[misty fossil]

im dying of laughter rn

[digital aurora]

Not really I can hold the Riga river just fine

[urban ivy]

building civs after april 1937

[heavy vigil]

No

Just annex them

[eternal palm]

......Riga is in latvia.....

So did u annex them or not

[heavy vigil]

Itll give you so much eco

For absolutely 0 actual cost

[bronze mango]

Bullshit, civ greed till late 38 then non stop mils

[heavy vigil]

Usually youd do collabs on them as the ussr to get even more out of it

[eternal palm]

Sov can build till september

[heavy vigil]

Not annexing baltics is troll

[eternal palm]

even december

but no more

[digital aurora]

No I’m an idiot I meant the daugava river

[eternal palm]

That river is still in latvia

So did u annex them or not

[broken plover]

Yeah I stopped pretty fast

[eternal palm]

What states did u build in? Build in good infra states, so 60%

[digital aurora]

Part of it runs through Poland

[eternal palm]

And dont build west of kursk

[digital aurora]

Actually no it runs through the Soviet Union partially

[broken plover]

Ok I see what was the problem

[eternal palm]

are u telling me you built in bad infra 💀

oh no

[flat barn]

hi

[bronze mango]

Build civs in khiva

Till 39

[heavy vigil]

khiva?

i know tashkent is one of the three states to build in

You def dont build that long

[primal timber]

yeah i don't think it ended well for hitler

free silesia though

[digital aurora]

Republic of long Poland

[primal timber]

actually when the hell did i take vinnytsia

[eternal palm]

Infra only then civs after 41 trust

[ocean mirage]

guys is it normal for poland to be this big

[primal timber]

lore accurate commonwealth

[digital aurora]

Civs after 45 trust, build silos till 44 and nothing else

[cerulean anvil]

why does spotify only have a portion of the hoi3 soundtrack 🙁

[primal timber]

oh dear

[bronze mango]

Reaserch nuclear in 36 and build only dockyards

[primal timber]

actually this makes invading italy easier

[digital aurora]

I also think it’s time to partially demobilise my factories, as I’m running out of chromium and I’m gonna need those civs if I’m going to create a large fleet for the 3rd world war

[cerulean anvil]

how do you achieve nukes in 36

[cerulean anvil]

oh you mean begin research

[bronze mango]

I mean start reaserching it in 36

You cant do the nuke project that quickly

[digital aurora]

I did it’s easy

“Research_on_icon_click”

[primal timber]

last enemy in europe

[bronze mango]

The real meta is converting all your divisions to nkvd

[cerulean anvil]

all bicycle divisions

[primal timber]

real

[digital aurora]

Real Meta Is using the mechanise corps only

[zenith charm]

just do "roic"

[bronze mango]

Not available as sov

[primal timber]

everybody in

80 years will remember the contribution of the republic of poland-lithuania

in defeating the axis powers

[bronze mango]

Armoured car world conquest as Luxembourg

[digital aurora]

Real Meta Is just a divison full of artillery battalions

[bronze mango]

-1 org

[digital aurora]

Real meta is light tank with maxed out armour that goes very slowly n

[cerulean anvil]

yeah just keep bombarding your borders and eventually win

[ocean mirage]

no real meta is camice nere divisions

theyre so op u cant even delete them

[bronze mango]

Irregular cavalry

[cerulean anvil]

real meta is all maus tank divisions

[bronze mango]

Or make more than like 48 total

[digital aurora]

Your org can never get to 0 as any subtraction from combat will just got deeper into the negatives

Real Meta Is penal battalions

I don’t even know why I can’t disband them

[bronze mango]

Heavy tank only

[cerulean anvil]

nukes only

[ocean mirage]

heavy tank 1 engine 20 armor

castle division

[bronze mango]

You can intentionally encircle them

[primal timber]

i just watched a tile get blasted

[cerulean anvil]

blitzkrieging the enemy 1 mph at a time

[lost quest]

It’s so annoying going into a civil war and being stuck forever with 20 workers’ militia units

[bronze mango]

Unironically feasible as the us

[final sigil]

Hi i'm new player

[cerulean anvil]

Hi new player

Im dad

[bronze mango]

Hello

[final sigil]

My 98yo friend guide me to this game

He say the game made him miss the old time

[digital aurora]

I’m not even at war anymore

[final sigil]

Anyway what i should do when play german?

[bronze mango]

Oh

[final sigil]

Hi

[lost quest]

die

[heavy vigil]

Lose

[cerulean anvil]

eat netherland

[final sigil]

[broken plover]

I guess its over

[final sigil]

What da hell

[bronze mango]

Build dockyards till 45

[heavy vigil]

You havent made an army

Your industry is so poor what

[lost quest]

you just gotta not be stupid and invade the USSR in 1941

[cerulean anvil]

is a naval focused germany route possible

[final sigil]

[lost quest]

just focus on killing the allies

then take out the Soviets

[broken plover]

No point to make templates Im making just my regular infantrys with support equipments just so they can maybe hold the lines

[final sigil]

I mean

How to do that

How to figt

[lost quest]

are you brand new

[final sigil]

Fight

[cerulean anvil]

ok so first oppose hitler

[heavy vigil]

But you havent made like any units in 5 years

[final sigil]

I did say i'm new player

[eternal palm]

Well your industry is really bad, idk what you did

[ocean mirage]

And then go democratic

[lost quest]

oh god help your soul

[final sigil]

And i did have a 98yo friend

[eternal palm]

And you haven't deployed any units

[cerulean anvil]

and then die from the sovietes

[heavy vigil]

140 divs

In 41

[eternal palm]

I know I know

[heavy vigil]

And you start with 120+

Howw

[lost quest]

@final sigil watch some tutorials on YouTube to learn the basics

[eternal palm]

138 to be precise

[lost quest]

and then just learn from experience

[eternal palm]

Ye idk what he was doing

[lost quest]

start as some small country

[eternal palm]

190 factories 💀

I get like double that

[broken plover]

My stockpile

[cerulean anvil]

lithuania 💪

[heavy vigil]

So hes gone up by 1 div a year

[eternal palm]

Well deploy some units then???

[bronze mango]

120 infantry field marshall army can solo germany in 2 years

[heavy vigil]

Use it

[final sigil]

I did watched this https://youtu.be/Rb9536VncuI?si=tjkx1FwXsGZlTBFJ

[eternal palm]

Hello?

[broken plover]

Sov starts with 80

[primal timber]

my czechoslovakia looks

a little off

[heavy vigil]

15K aa tho

[eternal palm]

That's factually incorrect

[heavy vigil]

Wild

[digital aurora]

No they don’t?

[cerulean anvil]

mongolia shaped czechslovakia

[eternal palm]

They start with 138

[broken plover]

I am training them they are untrained I rather not to spawn them with -25% modifier

[broken plover]

Well I mean if you count the consumer goods yes

[eternal palm]

Yea why didn't you do that before? And you still have 100k guns in stock???

[heavy vigil]

Train in field

[lost quest]

Also I wouldn’t recommend playing major countries until you’re more experienced, since they’re VERY complicated

Play as some smaller country

[eternal palm]

You need to start earlier

[primal timber]

i think the italians lost half of their army in hungary

[bronze mango]

Canada and hungary are good starters

[lost quest]

That way you have to build everything up on your own

[final sigil]

[final sigil]

I see

[broken plover]

Idk It seemes I got drowned in these things I thought I have enough time to farm exp to make template and then train those

[final sigil]

What about poland?

[final sigil]

I love poland

[lost quest]

Poland is hard asf

[ocean mirage]

Yeah green poland is op

Very easy too

[primal timber]

cause they've got nothing

[final sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[eternal palm]

Pause the game more if you get overwhelmed

[bronze mango]

Awful starter, you need to deal with the germans and soviets

[lost quest]

Is that sanatationist Poland

[final sigil]

Real?

[primal timber]

duality of hoi4 players

[wanton ingot]

true

[heavy vigil]

Top #1 new player advice is just dont play on 5 speed ever

[ocean mirage]

yes

[lost quest]

well it depends on which route you go down

[eternal palm]

Is it though?

They can pause the game

[lost quest]

Communist Poland is pretty fun

[final sigil]

I see

[bronze mango]

No its the peasant revolution

[heavy vigil]

Yes

[broken plover]

I pause a lot I just forgot to make units

[eternal palm]

Lmao

[heavy vigil]

Forces them to pay some attention

[digital aurora]

In post WW2 I gave Poland back their land from 1939 and also the territories they got after WW2

[final sigil]

Then i think i can't play the country of femboy

So sad

[lost quest]

you can play in 5 speed and lower it to 4 when at war

[devout trench]

i just pause the game every time im doing something other than observing

[cerulean anvil]

you can play poland

[heavy vigil]

You can, but its a very poor idea

Theres a lot of things to manage that youll forget

Personally i rarely 5 speed

[primal timber]

yeah i wonder why

[lost quest]

You can but in order to not get the Soviets and Germans on your ass then it might be a more boring playthrough

[final sigil]

Why u know poland is country of femboy?

[final sigil]

I see

[devout trench]

CAS + green button = success

[broken plover]

Oh looks like I forgot some units I left in the finland borders lol

[ocean mirage]

heaven

[heavy vigil]

Ok, play however you want, but thats not real advice

[final sigil]

What u mean heaven? 😭

[lost quest]

Like that guy said Canada and Hungary are good starter countries

[ocean mirage]

i hope the china rework is gonna be fun

[cerulean anvil]

korea dlc 🔥

[primal timber]

so when i

[eternal palm]

If u know that's cool, but people here dont

[lost quest]

You can learnt the basics of industry and combat

[primal timber]

capitulated lithuania

[eternal palm]

Think you're talking to a toddler

[primal timber]

that just gave me a bunch of cores on ukraine and belarus

[final sigil]

I see

I will try

[ocean mirage]

Try turkey

[ocean mirage]

they can become ottoman empire fast and help the axis very early

agario

[eternal palm]

Fast? You mean by 39 💀

[primal timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348640301937590273/1409784061932867614/attachment.gif

[ocean mirage]

yes they r superpower by feb 39

[lost quest]

Turkey takes 10 years to do anything

[bronze mango]

Never seen anyone claim that Turkey has a fast focus tree

[eternal palm]

Nah 💀

They suck so bad

U only get good once u get some cores

[ocean mirage]

70 days focus tree to maybe get cores back on kurdistan so op

[primal timber]

the regno del sud is in my faction for

whatever reason

[lost quest]

Turkey should’ve gotten a reworked focus tree in the most recent update

[primal timber]

i guess i have italy in the miedzymorze

[final sigil]

Is that true when most pro hoi4 players that have over 2000h+ play are weight 1000 pound?

[devout trench]

yes

[primal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[bronze mango]

I dont weigh much

[eternal palm]

I mean, they kinda did? With The shared focus tree and all

It's pretty good

[lost quest]

It depends. They’re either obese or a twink

[eternal palm]

I have like 3 times that 💀

[final sigil]

Twink?

[cerulean anvil]

function is y = t/2

[bronze mango]

Twink more likely than not

[eternal palm]

Does that mean I weigh 3000 pounds?

Pure muscle ofc

[final sigil]

I don't belive that

[eternal palm]

You haven't seem me so can't confirm

I'm Jay Cutlers son

[lost quest]

@devout trench I too love Bhutan

[eternal palm]

Trust

[primal timber]

dear god its

the soviet invasion of sicily

[final sigil]

I think you are Jon Brower Minnoch II

[cerulean anvil]

epic

ive never seen the soviets win in any recent game ive played

[devout trench]

a fellow respectable hoi4 player

[ocean mirage]

not that good

[lost quest]

someone recommended me to play Bhutan when I was new

[bronze mango]

Quella è la puglia

[broken plover]

Im getting cooked 🥹

[final sigil]

Is it rare when hoi4 have femboy players?

[flat barn]

LMAO WHAT

netherlands

[lost quest]

no

[devout trench]

best starter country in existstence

[lost quest]

look at the members of this server

[bronze mango]

Most hoi4 players are femboys

[lost quest]

I figured out enough to conquer Tibet and Xinjiang

[final sigil]

90% are femboys?

And 9% are fat people?

[cerulean anvil]

or fascists

[bronze mango]

Or both really

[lost quest]

idk but this kind of game attracts autistic people and a lot of femboys are autistic

[final sigil]

Ahh

Are u femboy?

[lost quest]

or both

[devout trench]

diplomacy rework when

[lost quest]

I don’t have enough hours in HOI4 yet

[final sigil]

Ah i see

Sad

We was can have a date

The silent kill me

[viscid stirrup]

only 2 field marshals🥀

[final sigil]

😭

[viscid stirrup]

yes

[primal timber]

they said mussolini was deposed

why is he here

[bronze mango]

More than one field marshall 🥀

[primal timber]

japanese got pushed out of china

[final sigil]

Can we date?

[primal timber]

looks like the soviets are gonna do the heavy work

[viscid stirrup]

where r u

?

[final sigil]

Asia

[viscid stirrup]

too far

[final sigil]

[heavy vigil]

Jellyfish is like a child

[carmine orbit]

anybody wanna play mp?

[primal timber]

i think this is a bit excessive

[final sigil]

What?

[bronze mango]

Dislikes france

[final sigil]

You mean

Real child?

Nah

I'm quit

[heavy vigil]

Yes

[primal timber]

i don't think he likes france

[lost quest]

He just like me fr

nah I fw france

[primal timber]

they just capped

im big now

[lost quest]

just not the imperialist and fascists

[copper cobalt]

They deposed Mussolini the idea but kept Mussolini the man

you can't hang ideas off a lampost

[bronze mango]

What if the real mussolini is the friends we made along the way?

[cerulean anvil]

somehow mussolini returned...

[primal timber]

what shall i do here...

[copper cobalt]

He had nothing to shave off

[eternal palm]

Oh yea screw you for no particular reason

[primal timber]

well first things of order

why?

because its funny

nah ill let my

little regno del sud take everything

except the horn

[broken plover]

Ok so I wasn't paying attention and this happend

gg

[primal timber]

thats rightfully ethiopian

[bronze mango]

How did you not kill finland

[cerulean anvil]

Finlandia

[ocean mirage]

whitefinlandpill

[broken plover]

I didn't care about it tbh now they attacked me lol

[drifting ridge]

FINLAND

[bronze mango]

They wouldn'tve attacked you if they were your puppet

[broken plover]

That's unfortunate

[eternal palm]

I did tell u to kill them, oh well

[bronze mango]

Thats why you should invade them

[round sapphire]

Afganistan is literally Switzerland, but less annoying

[viscid stirrup]

?

why

[bronze mango]

No particular reason

[eternal palm]

Read what I said

[viscid stirrup]

💔

peak

[primal timber]

im taking that thank you very much

[viscid stirrup]

bro

[bronze mango]

Iraq can get 2000 weekly manpower

[broken plover]

I didn't get to do that I had more important focuses than securing leningrad 🥹

[broken plover]

Maybe I should try learning pvp with another country first? which one do you suggest?

[primal timber]

i am still

at war with japan

but they're not my concern

[viscid stirrup]

900 from communism

[primal timber]

why

[broken plover]

When I played iraq I barely could get any

[primal timber]

why do i need these fellas

in my faction

[broken plover]

The more the better I guess

[flat barn]

😱 TNO 😱 LITERALLY TNO

[primal timber]

the what now

[viscid stirrup]

fr

germany attacking ussr is TNO lore

[misty fossil]

how do i get the game to output maps like these

[viscid stirrup]

equestria at war reference?

[misty fossil]

yes

[primal timber]

big poland

big democratic poland

[bronze mango]

You need to go down the hashemite caliphate path, get command of the faithful, then assassinate baqr to go down arab federation that has a focus for yet more weekly manpower and then flip communist and get marx

[urban ivy]

and get rolled mid 1940

[bronze mango]

And then there is the military tree aswell

[viscid stirrup]

ussr can build civs until 1943

[urban ivy]

u wont exist by 1943

[primal timber]

i get italy as my subject

sweet

[bronze mango]

Ussr should do civs to like 39 then do mils

[urban ivy]

no

mid 1937

at most

[bronze mango]

Thats how I do it and I clobber germany every time

[urban ivy]

then mils only

[bronze mango]

I dont give a shit about " the meta"

Civ greed is king

You won't have the war till 41 anyways

[broken plover]

Is france a good country to learn pvp with? I can also weaken the germans by not letting them get czhech

[viscid stirrup]

yes i will

in fact i did

[bronze mango]

But muh meta'

[viscid stirrup]

all i had to do is use meta infantry template

[primal timber]

stalinist

trotsky i think you missed a few people

i have a few questions

[viscid stirrup]

trotsky be cookin

[flat barn]

nvm we grozin....

we grozin...

mmm german corpses

[viscid stirrup]

is that a battle of grosny reference?

[bronze mango]

Finally someone else who doesn't retreat to the dniepr

[flat barn]

operation groza

[flat barn]

its just not required WHATSOEVER

and creates a long stalemate

[viscid stirrup]

fake

[flat barn]

that you rely on the axis banging against you

and making a breakthrough

where as if you keep the border

you can operation groza them

mmm

[viscid stirrup]

operation groza never existed

[flat barn]

well i didnt start it

[flat barn]

it was going to

[viscid stirrup]

nuh uh

[bronze mango]

I dont understand people who do that, is it just cause muh' meta?

[flat barn]

and even if it doesnt thats what the invasion would be called

[viscid stirrup]

stalin wanted to attack germany in 1943

[flat barn]

well

soviet troops were taking offensive stances

rumour has it the soviets were planning to attack in july

[bronze mango]

Average hoi4 end of war date

[flat barn]

thats why they got caught with their pants down

whoever attacked first was going to be the one in favour for the short term atleast

[primal timber]

another chinese L

[eternal palm]

Not how that works but oh well. Look at the guide on rb

It says Dec 37 and there's noting wrong with that

[viscid stirrup]

no

[primal timber]

think its the americans who create this

who thought czechoslovakia should be included

[viscid stirrup]

u have to keep civgreeding until at least mid 1938

[eternal palm]

41*

Get it right smh

[urban ivy]

bro

that only applies to RB

[eternal palm]

No mil build, it'll pay of in 43

[urban ivy]

cause they have rules

[bronze mango]

You need a pathetic guide to play this game?

[urban ivy]

for barb invasion

and dday landing

[digital ingot]

How is ts possible ?

[eternal palm]

Were not talking mp either. AI declares in 41

[viscid stirrup]

41 is good, but 38 is the bare minimum

[digital ingot]

Italy is the puppet of France

And France is my puppet

[eternal palm]

Ofc if its like non historical no disc you adapt to the situation

[digital ingot]

How’d is that possible 😭

[bronze mango]

Hoxha didn't have enough bunkers

[eternal palm]

But in general building civs till Dec 37 is fine

It's not absolute bruh

[digital ingot]

But if Italy is a puppet how

And Albania was my ppuppet

😭

[lucid ivy]

😭

[bronze mango]

They can still do that focus

[flat barn]

romania is looking SO SUBMISSIVE AND BREEDABLE

[bronze mango]

Albania almost always says yes

[digital ingot]

And how a puppet can have a puppet 😭

😭

How a puppet can have a puppet I can’t understand that

[lucid ivy]

he has a point

[viscid stirrup]

true

[digital ingot]

Also

[bronze mango]

Italy didn't puppet Albania,it annexed it, did it not?

[lucid ivy]

barb tips

[digital ingot]

Yeah my point is

How Italy is the puppet of France

[flat barn]

OPERATION JASSY-KISHNEV

[digital ingot]

If France is my puppet

France is MY puppet

And Italy is like a neutral nation to me

I can even attack it

[serene token]

Which fighter doctrine should I go down?

[bronze mango]

Cause italian civil war is broken, and has been since it was added

[eternal palm]

I'd probably not play pvp at all if ur new. Or at least not alone. Maybe try cooping someone.

[heavy vigil]

You can do this easily at game start

[digital ingot]

I see

[heavy vigil]

Dominions of the uk can release puppets

[bronze mango]

What is this mod?

[digital ingot]

That

[serene token]

Old World Blues

[bronze mango]

Ah ok

[digital ingot]

And puppets of puppets are neutral to the overlord of the first puppet

Wich shouldn’t be like that

[heavy vigil]

Yeah

[digital ingot]

But is it good that I managed to do that in historical by 1939 has Russia ?

[eternal palm]

Wdym pathetic bro 💀
Let me play how I wanna play. If I want to get better having guides is a pretty good way to learn. Don't gotta ego trip when talking about this game Holy mother of jesus

[bronze mango]

Didn't actually consider that you were still learning, especially cause the soviets aren't a learner country

[eternal palm]

I'm not learning either I'm just saying, for someone that needs to learn, especially in mp, guides are good idea.

[bronze mango]

But still guides shouldn't be followed unquestionably

Each hoi4 game is different

[eternal palm]

I can't tell if ur being sarcastic or not

Or if that's a typo

[digital ingot]

Ye

Game has rng

That could be good to you or bad

[broken plover]

What should I do then to get better I can't always coop with someone any tips or something?

[eternal palm]

And yea if you don't understand a guide but still follow it that's no good. You need to understand the reason behind the choices the guide makes

[serene token]

AI is always different if your playing non historical

[bronze mango]

Typo

[eternal palm]

Good 💀

[digital ingot]

Yeah

In non historical there is more rng

But in historical there is as well

[eternal palm]

One thing you can is keep playing sov in sp and try to follow the guide more closely. Pause more, read carefully and try again and again

[digital ingot]

Non historical is better for axis and conintern

[eternal palm]

Failing once is part of it

[bronze mango]

Even historical can be very unhistorical

[digital ingot]

Worse for allies

[digital ingot]

Agreed

Changing history may affect it very bad the historical

[heavy vigil]

You need guides to not be equal level to ai

[digital ingot]

I took the allies and by doing so Greece ended attacking up Albania

[bronze mango]

The axis at times goes to war with the soviets in 1940 on historical for no reason

[heavy vigil]

Its fine if you like being ai level gameplay to not follow guides

[serene token]

Germany getting its ass kicked by Poland

[digital ingot]

Real 😭

[heavy vigil]

If you wanna get better get good youre always learning

[digital ingot]

Or Japan attacking the axis puppets in Oceania

After they beat the allies

😭 😭

[bronze mango]

My america game was like that, but then they demolished the soviets, even after getting encircled repeatedly by the poles

[serene token]

This is the game that puts "practice and struggle makes perfect, but more struggle."

[digital ingot]

Poland once resisted more than Germany😭

When I attacked both

[serene token]

Lol

[digital ingot]

As Soviet

Soviet Union debuffs are so ass

[eternal palm]

Skill issue? Don't mess up purge

[serene token]

WW2 could have played out different if France and the UK allowed Poland to actually mobilize their population.

[digital ingot]

No

I do left focus

[eternal palm]

Wdym?

[digital ingot]

And win civil war before 36

[eternal palm]

Oh left oppo

[digital ingot]

Win it is so easy

[digital ingot]

Ye

[eternal palm]

Ye that's simple

What debuffs lll

[bronze mango]

Remove debuffs in 1939-early 40 by going to war with Sweden via the event chain

[primal timber]

i just have a chunk of ukraine

i didn't ask for this

[eternal palm]

Left oppo is the strongest path

[primal timber]

why do i have it

[eternal palm]

Easy gun3, conc5 and tools 5

[digital ingot]

Agreed

[digital ingot]

Ye

Tho I like the center as well

[bronze mango]

Center is peak

[digital ingot]

But conquering the world taking left oppo is way easier

[digital ingot]

Yeah

More realistic

And accurate

[eternal palm]

Stalin larp 💀

"Father of nations"

"Great commander"

My ass

[digital ingot]

Heart of iron

The true deserved of that nickname

Or steel

I forgot

[bronze mango]

And germany isn't hitler larp, I thought hoi4 was pretty much a roleplay game

[heavy vigil]

No not rlly

Would need to be more realistic

Just a silly ww2 sandbox game

[digital ingot]

Yea

With infinite paths to take

Well not infinite

But a lot

[bronze mango]

True, I guess other people might lean less into the role play aspect

[heavy vigil]

Some people do it but youre delusional if you think its even remotely realistic

[serene token]

Imagine if a Hoi5 was announced.

[bronze mango]

Its most certainly not realistic, france wouldn't just capitulate cause 300 german guys landed in paris

[digital ingot]

I’d quit

😭 😭 😭

It would be 2000 sollar

Dollar

With 20+ DLCs

I aint got money for that 😭

[bronze mango]

Given how things are going, no. Not for a while

[serene token]

Watcha mean by going?

The dlc's?

[digital ingot]

Anyone got all achievements ?

Some are hell of hard bro

[serene token]

30 minutes in hel:

[digital ingot]

Yea

Or no step back

[bronze mango]

Hoi4 is still gaining players, the development are still making dlc, it would be unwise for paradox to start a new game while they have the cash cow that is hoi4

[serene token]

Fair.

[bronze mango]

Halfway almost

[digital ingot]

Damm

I just have 30 😭

[digital ingot]

Im rlly close to get Soviet onion

[eternal palm]

Lmao, yea nah thankfully its not. Cuz if it was it wouldn't be playable where I live lol

[digital ingot]

Just have to puppet china and japan

[viscid stirrup]

do u have siberian tiger?

[digital ingot]

And basically everyone is my puppet

[eternal palm]

I got more than u >:)

[bronze mango]

No, although im considering doing it

[viscid stirrup]

i got siberian tiger after 6 tries

stop considering it

[bronze mango]

Six tries isnt too bad

[flat barn]

third man reich...

[hollow narwhal]

💀

it seems stalin is exiled in this lake 🤣

[misty fossil]

one of the portraits that goes hard

[viscid stirrup]

chair

[sudden grotto]

Uk council

[rustic furnace]

He will become the lake monster

The monster of the lake, they will write stories about this

[signal hemlock]

5000 hours and halfway so realistic

[slim nexus]

i like playing as china

[bronze mango]

What does this mean

Communist china is easy as hell

[signal hemlock]

so much time but not as many achievments as you’d expect

[flat barn]

💪

[bronze mango]

Such is hoi4

[bronze mango]

Secured the continent

[lethal ether]

holy division spam

[lone sail]

it will all be fine if steiner attacks

[lethal ether]

how many divisions u got?

[flat barn]

340

[lethal ether]

fielded manpower?

[bronze mango]

https://tenor.com/view/downfall-steiner-mein-fuhrer-steiner-gif-24733130