hoi4-general

[eternal palm]

The pricing is horrendous

[kind tide]

even when i have stalingrad,moscow and lenningrad. i would still end up needing more

[broken plover]

They will probobly have 4 till 1941

[drifting grove]

they took 5 YEARS to fix the french tree, not add content, but fix a bug, that existed in the unfinished crap they sell us

[lucid ivy]

kiev belarus and other other things

[primal timber]

whawhat

[eternal palm]

FUnfact: The spanish eco tree left side is still broken. After 5 years.

[lucid ivy]

tbh there like only 3 dlcs worth buying

[primal timber]

they don't even share a border

[eternal palm]

theres 5

[primal timber]

mr. hitler you've gone a bit loco

[drifting grove]

im so disgusted that they gave up on GOE, like legit realised they couldnt make money fixing it, so they left it

until hoi4 fans admit theyve been robbed, this will keep happening

[kind tide]

ok bro lwkey has a pint

point

[eternal palm]

Yea it was a sad cash grab. Like they couldve waited another 6 months for the next content pack and goe might have been good, but no

[lucid ivy]

he kinda right

[lucid ivy]

same for toa

[eternal palm]

Toa wasnt nearly as broken as ToA and unlike goe, ToA was actually fun

Its bloated as hell but its fun

[kind tide]

whats GOE im unfamilar with these short names

[drifting grove]

they sold TOA and GOE with bugs, and in TOA's case, incredibly overpowered focuses to sucker people in, then nerfed it to punish late comers

[eternal palm]

Which is most of the fun

[eternal palm]

latest one

[kind tide]

TOA?

oh

i see

[drifting grove]

trials of allegiance

[primal timber]

what's his plan

[broken plover]

Ok so in a summery I have to build a ton of AA's and fortify diniper river and do great battle plan and follow this guide

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16LoCwSkXHV0eyGzgq5Tnj9VXOtliLeZmJuY53Nr_mrs/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.ucn4xuuawn8u

?

@kind tide @eternal palm @lucid ivy

[eternal palm]

Yes

[lucid ivy]

thanks

[eternal palm]

Make sure to hold frontline with gbp though

[lucid ivy]

some what yea

[primal timber]

he doesn't have one does he

[drifting grove]

the ai still cant properly use systems that were added years ago, this is the SECOND navy rework, i promise you itll be just as broken as before

but with more power creep and underwelhming content

[lucid ivy]

dont forget to guard black sea

[eternal palm]

Italy cant get a navy in there unless he takes turkey

[lucid ivy]

mp peopl kinda naval invades there

[broken plover]

Should I just put unit around the sea or just put my ships?

[eternal palm]

Just have your navy on strike force

[drifting grove]

this isnt even a WW2 game anymore, its a 1930s alt history simulator where all the paths are meme tier dogshit like reforming the east indies company

[eternal palm]

Just ships

[pearl jackal]

brings a tear to my eye

what a sentence

[kind tide]

yes

[lucid ivy]

there are few focus in the tree that gives forts and stuff

ig

[kind tide]

jsut checked it

it seems pretty fair

[eternal palm]

Yea its not a sim, its a sandbox set in 1936

[lucid ivy]

some one pin the guy he actually has a vaild point

[eternal palm]

if ur looking for a sim, play HLL

[drifting grove]

the content that is added, will 100% break previous content, so even if you dont buy it, your game is worse

[eternal palm]

That seems rather extreme

[lucid ivy]

honestly vic3 is kinda better ( we dont talk about combat )

[drifting grove]

it happened with poland and the czechs

[broken plover]

What about stalin paranoia and USSR economy?

[drifting grove]

thats still in the game, its not a crazy leap, its in the damn game

[primal timber]

either hitler is gonna blow me up

[eternal palm]

Oh like with nsb breaking non DLC Poland?

[primal timber]

or he's naval invading leningrad

[eternal palm]

Is that still a thing

[eternal palm]

Rush it

[kind tide]

true for example if u wanna do some tech related stuff u need to buy the entire DLC even if it means to never touch the nations that got expanded within the package

[drifting grove]

try GDR breaking NSB poland

you are paying more for a worse game

[eternal palm]

What about it?

[lucid ivy]

just save good generals and finish bloc of rigt blahhh, or if you want troskey civil war

[drifting grove]

if germany forms the RKs, you lose land as poland, they never tested that

its sad and pathetic

[eternal palm]

lmao

funny

PDX doesnt playtest anything

[lucid ivy]

honestly mod devs here are doing better job than pdx

[kind tide]

I have never seen someone who pissed off at HOI4 devs before

[drifting grove]

that doesnt make them money, so of course they dont

[digital aurora]

i have done it, i have beat germany

well almost

[eternal palm]

Smh why pay someone to play test it when we can release it and then patch it after

[drifting grove]

Kaiserreich, a free mod, has more devs then paid hoi4 does

[digital aurora]

still a couple of offensives to wrap up

[eternal palm]

Quality control whats that?

[drifting grove]

or in GOE's case, they dont even patch it

[lucid ivy]

enoab too

[primal timber]

steiner can save it trust

[drifting grove]

they just steal your money and tell you to suck an egg

[eternal palm]

Oh but then go after the MIO exploits to piss off all the mp people

THis was fun

[primal timber]

i played enoab once and it just felt like 50% of it was bloat

[eternal palm]

RB was on fire for like 3 weeks

[kind tide]

would say pretty realistic but what the hell why is baltcis and konisgberg (wtv its called) still unocciuped

[eternal palm]

Or how they changed RAJ every week making it impossible to make a guide on it

[lucid ivy]

i mean its kinda wip but has a huge potential

[broken plover]

Also guys what about the counter attack when should I counter attack Germany and Italy?

[kind tide]

can i see the losses for that war @digital aurora

[lucid ivy]

they kinda actually listen to people compare to ww1

[eternal palm]

ASAP

Just counter click whenever

[lucid ivy]

until they run dry

[digital aurora]

well german troops were too strong in the northern front so i advanced on the south and cut off supplies in kiev and from there their line collapsed, i also puppeted the baltics

[kind tide]

brutal

[drifting grove]

the hoi4 devs hate the people who play their game

[kind tide]

i need to 1v1 u one day

[drifting grove]

and the pdx managers had the devs even more

[kind tide]

would be a fun game

[broken plover]

So this is basicly a supply war?

[lucid ivy]

kinda ig

[digital aurora]

Most of the casualites where from my fortified lines along the riga, and Dniper

[drifting grove]

like when GOE came out, and the higher ups told us the devs personally approved its publication, which means one of 3 things

[lucid ivy]

i mean your best bet is defending

[kind tide]

i see

[lucid ivy]

you cannot hold molotov line

[drifting grove]

1. the devs truely thought it was ready, thats very concerning
2. the devs felt pressured into signing off on it for fear of retaliation, which again, is very concerning
3. the devs werent involved, and paradox used them as sacrificial lambs to shift the blame, can you see why thats concerning?

[broken plover]

I don't think they would even do a molotov pact

[lucid ivy]

lol

also dont get encricled shuffle units

[digital aurora]

Aswell as a ton of encirclements, i also turned up the "strengthen soviets" option, because i want to beat germany atleast once

[eternal palm]

mfw only 3 tanks by aug 42 😭

[kind tide]

yes

[eternal palm]

what is that factory count lil bro 😭

[kind tide]

view the top

worst rage bait

[broken plover]

I try their tanks is gonna be deadly when war starts

[kind tide]

get ur money up

not ur funny up

[broken plover]

Should I make a diffrence between my attack units and defense units? I usually make a unit and use it for defense and offense

[digital aurora]

I also had to make a B line for berlin because belgium was right next to it

[lucid ivy]

thats why hide in forts rivers or shit like mountains

[eternal palm]

I mean, you have tanks and then you ahve inf, there you go

Dont make offensive inf when you have tanks

[drifting grove]

also, dont forget the fact the pdx devs stole content from modders, like actually

[kind tide]

bypass those areas if ur the attacker

[eternal palm]

They did that in ck3 too

[drifting grove]

they ripped the soviet propaganda system sraight from a mod

[eternal palm]

seems to be a staple

[lucid ivy]

i mean remaining part is a river

[kind tide]

ah i see

[lucid ivy]

wait fr ?

[eternal palm]

The Makeshift Bridges in question:

[broken plover]

So just 2 inf row and 1 tank row where should I put Anti tank and AA?

[drifting grove]

yup

[eternal palm]

WDym?

[lucid ivy]

support

[drifting grove]

only in the mod, all the majors had it

[eternal palm]

Take templates from the guide I sent you

do nothing else but these 2

[lucid ivy]

which mod

[drifting grove]

they stole the content, and made it worse, THEN CHARGED MONEY FOR IT

[lucid ivy]

i wanna try it out

[eternal palm]

Try TFB

iirc its from there

[lucid ivy]

iirc ?

[eternal palm]

if I remember correctly

god

[drifting grove]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2175242864 this one

[eternal palm]

Oh shit

[lucid ivy]

😭

[drifting grove]

only the pdx version has less stuff in it

[eternal palm]

Holy shit.

[lucid ivy]

all the posters are same

[broken plover]

I mean I put 2 infantry row like 2 row with 6 infantry on each row and then I put 1 row of 4 tanks right? then I mean should I make anti air in ground or just put it in my units as support?

[eternal palm]

THEY LITERALLY STOLE THE ART TOO

[kind tide]

The issue with relaying on mods is the fact, that some dont get updated but without a doubt PDX devs should have charged much less if their intention was to copy that mode

[eternal palm]

Wdym by row? Like on the ground or in the template designer?

[lucid ivy]

😭

[kind tide]

mod*\

crazyyyy steal

[drifting grove]

i think the art was added after nsb, to be fair, but still

[lucid ivy]

pdx wtf is this

[broken plover]

Yeah rows in the template designer

[eternal palm]

oh god

No thats awful

Make seperate inf and tank divisions

[lucid ivy]

honestly all mod devs together should make their own hoi5

[digital aurora]

German high command looking at my 313 infantry divisions, 112 tank divisions, 44 cossack cavalry divisons, 11 mountainers and 4 marine divisions

[broken plover]

I mean this when I say row

[eternal palm]

I know

Thats still terrible

[eternal palm]

as I said, take the guide for reference

[lucid ivy]

nation

[broken plover]

Ah ok

[kind tide]

press on window tab, shift and s for us all at the same time and show us what ur working on rn

[urban ivy]

u do if u want to push to chongqing without praying tl rng that enemy runs out of supply faster than u

[broken plover]

Also italy says he wants to make tanks to is that a good idea for him?

[marsh ravine]

Its ez to push from xian

Better terrain

Than guangxi

[urban ivy]

i disagree here

[eternal palm]

Let him make a mistake lol

[kind tide]

i mean if its a 1v2 then yes because the whole game depends on them beating u

[eternal palm]

its dumb

[kind tide]

nah

[eternal palm]

like really dumb for italy to make tanks

[kind tide]

nah

[eternal palm]

Germany has so much better stats

[marsh ravine]

Italy only has good production

[urban ivy]

last time i pushed nationalist china i played qing china

[marsh ravine]

No stats

[broken plover]

I made a new save but I can go to that one sure which window tab you mean?

[urban ivy]

and this was the easier way

[kind tide]

licences

[eternal palm]

What?

[lucid ivy]

italy tanks are shit

[kind tide]

inbetweeen alt and ctrl

[broken plover]

He's gonna get license from germany

[lucid ivy]

best japan mod ?

[eternal palm]

No Italy doesnt have the decisions for operational planning and no inf designer

Italy's stats suck

[eternal palm]

Thats even more stupid

Its so pointless

But let him

[kind tide]

without a doubt ur right, but its those two vs him

bro what are u saying

never play a major

[eternal palm]

better chances for you

[lucid ivy]

no allies ?

[eternal palm]

what 💀

can I help you

[kind tide]

im telling u, that u suck at the game

[eternal palm]

riiiight

and why?

lol

[kind tide]

use ur brain

[broken plover]

What do you wanna see I don't get it

[kind tide]

ur temp

[eternal palm]

No tell me exactly why you think I suck, I wanna hear all of it

🤣

[broken plover]

I didn't design anything yet

[kind tide]

nah my lawyer said to not go on record

[lucid ivy]

🗽

[eternal palm]

lmao

[lucid ivy]

⛓️‍💥

[eternal palm]

bro is backpaddling so hard

smh

[kind tide]

cringe bro who do u think u are

lmao

relaxc

[eternal palm]

More than u

[lucid ivy]

big take but hoi mps kinda suck icl

[kind tide]

what colour is ur g wagon

[lucid ivy]

vic are better

[eternal palm]

Red, why?

[kind tide]

y are u lying

[broken plover]

Also what should I do for collabs?

[kind tide]

red g wagon is chopped

[broken plover]

4 collabs is insane

[kind tide]

get a white one with black trim and 5 % tint all way around

now were talking

[lucid ivy]

uhh protect your self

dont collab

[eternal palm]

💀

bro does not know

[kind tide]

10/10 ragebait

[lucid ivy]

shower thoughs ahh agrument

[kind tide]

LOL

[broken plover]

So I just have to put all my spies from day 1 in country and focus hard on defense?

[lucid ivy]

i mean axis is prob gonna spam collab on you

its kinda good for you to defend those ig

i really dont know much since i dont have la resistance

[kind tide]

ts dude lost the war before it even began

better pray the AI handles them in southern and western france

lol

[broken plover]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-lobo-lobisomem-werewolf-lobisomem-pidao-gif-15820248166751002117

Also forgot to ask how can I win the spanish war?

I send 6 valunteers but they send more and also the facists seem to have more units

Its like its designed for them to win by default

Is there anything I can do?
@kind tide @lucid ivy @eternal palm

[kind tide]

Never ran the Spainish civil war from the Soviet perspective so I wouldn’t know

[primal timber]

what if i just go to war with lithuania

darn

[kind tide]

They’ll join axis

[lucid ivy]

uh just stall ig

spanish is kinda rigged most times

once axis helps

[kind tide]

Ye

[lucid ivy]

make them waste more time

[kind tide]

Also if historical is on, then theirs a higher chance for the AI to force the fascists to win

[lucid ivy]

true

[broken plover]

Just finish stalin paranoia and instant go for baltic focus

[primal timber]

yeah i think i have a shot

i just need something big to happen

[kind tide]

Could still join

You’ll see

[primal timber]

small issue

[kind tide]

Try it out

[broken plover]

Yeah so I probobly can't do anything

[kind tide]

Make a save before u invade them

[broken plover]

https://tenor.com/view/what-have-you-done-gif-25125684

[lucid ivy]

Ai does the most random shit you cant trust

[lucid ivy]

i mean you can send people to stall ig

[primal timber]

if the germans are gonna get danzig from me i might as well take lithuania in the process

[eternal palm]

Yea against 2 players its though

[primal timber]

can't lose my precious sea access

[kind tide]

Stall and for army experience

[eternal palm]

But I can send you templates with which you can maybe win

[kind tide]

You need army experience as USSR

[broken plover]

Also portgual will help facists to

[eternal palm]

Yea AI really doesnt matter

Its not so much about winning anyway

[kind tide]

Wtf😭😭

[eternal palm]

you wanna grind

[kind tide]

So random

[primal timber]

i did set germany to do

von neurath

[eternal palm]

Go to China and grind there

[primal timber]

so they can only do danzig for slovakia

[broken plover]

Yes that's what I do everytime

[lucid ivy]

both grinds are good

also any allies ?

[eternal palm]

What do you send

You wanna send 3 cav and 3 tanks

to grind cav and tank leader

[primal timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348640301937590273/1408719982841298954/attachment.gif

[urban ivy]

depends what u re willing to grind

[broken plover]

Lol I send valunteer to all china allies and china itself I get so much units there japan couldn't take bejing in a year and half until of course italy and germans helped them

[lucid ivy]

@broken plover you guys have allies or just twoo

[eternal palm]

assume its for tank build

[urban ivy]

why

tanks are overrated in sp

[eternal palm]

Cuz mp

and fun

Its not for sp

[urban ivy]

is it for mp?

[eternal palm]

YES

[lucid ivy]

yea

[urban ivy]

grind a commando

[lucid ivy]

its all MP

[urban ivy]

general

[eternal palm]

Russia starts with 1

[broken plover]

There is also amercia but he's not on my side he just plays for himself and he's pretty noob and germany and italy players are mid I would say but they have good exp in playing germany and italy

[eternal palm]

Kusnetsov

[urban ivy]

make special forces

[eternal palm]

you grind him

[urban ivy]

u don't have a commando high command

[primal timber]

i can just do this

[urban ivy]

advisor

[lucid ivy]

yea your cooked

[urban ivy]

u want it for special forces attack

[primal timber]

if the germans take danzig

i'll take lith

[eternal palm]

Yea so grind him and make him one

[urban ivy]

u cant realistically do tanks as ussr

in vanilla hoi4

[kind tide]

?😭

Yes u can

[lucid ivy]

???

[broken plover]

Yeah Im also noob with SOV so I guess I am

[urban ivy]

sanation right demand annexation

[urban ivy]

have u played vanilla hoi4 mp?

[lucid ivy]

just hold and shuffle

[urban ivy]

u can definitely do tanks as ussr

and u can definitely lose

[kind tide]

yeah

[primal timber]

i did just notice this chunk

[lucid ivy]

in sp tanks are good

[primal timber]

for the sanation left

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348640301937590273/1409784061932867614/attachment.gif

[urban ivy]

the only viable path in mp vanilla is mass mob

[lucid ivy]

gpb ?

gbp*

[urban ivy]

cause u dont have enough xp

[broken plover]

Wdym shuffle?

[kind tide]

I swear it’s so easy to counter a Russia that only does infantry😭

[urban ivy]

yea

thats why u do air

ad well

as*

[eternal palm]

Russia is just boned in vanilla

[lucid ivy]

i mean you can put space marines

[urban ivy]

u rush gun3

[eternal palm]

No xp, no stats

[urban ivy]

and f2

[eternal palm]

Ger does howitzer and>>>>>>>

[lucid ivy]

russian air 😭

[kind tide]

Air and Russia in the same context😞

[primal timber]

they made his portrait a watercolor

[urban ivy]

yea

[eternal palm]

Go trotsky while ur at it

[urban ivy]

so what

u have fking focuses

that get rid of debuffs

[eternal palm]

That take 4 years to do

[urban ivy]

just like in itapy s case

l

[urban ivy]

less than 1 year actually

besides u re not fking alone

[urban ivy]

u have usa as well

[primal timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348640301937590273/1409784061932867614/attachment.gif

[urban ivy]

that provides air superiority

[eternal palm]

mfw plane lendlease banned

in most games

[kind tide]

ye

[urban ivy]

it s not lend lease

[eternal palm]

but what we are talking about is a 2v1 ger ita vs sov

not like a real game

[urban ivy]

usa has enough range to reach russia from med sea

[fallen vigil]

so close to a world conquest

[eternal palm]

If it wants to die, but sure

[primal timber]

not enough defense

[kind tide]

That’s if they remain there

Lmao

[urban ivy]

sov doesnt stand a chance

[kind tide]

USA can’t support the USSR like that

Impossible

[eternal palm]

Nah its a noob game

[urban ivy]

they can

[eternal palm]

with enough prep sov can beat it

[urban ivy]

how noob

[eternal palm]

Very

[kind tide]

ways to counter

[lucid ivy]

55 ⛓️‍💥

[eternal palm]

like bottom of the barrel

stuff you see here

[urban ivy]

if noob game soviet should do mountaineer spam

[eternal palm]

Like this

[urban ivy]

32.4 width mountaneers for filler

mountaineers with 4 line AT for countering tanks

and also make some air

and gg

[broken plover]

Anti air or planes?

[urban ivy]

planes

[lucid ivy]

AA

[urban ivy]

u also make aa it s mandatory

why is this even discussed

[broken plover]

Cause Im noob

[primal timber]

how it feels to have a gazillion manpower but no equipment

[lucid ivy]

china

[eternal palm]

ur really asking that here 💀

The 100k people on here share a single braincell between them

[kind tide]

u included?

[broken plover]

What's shuffling does it mean just changing the frontline units?

[eternal palm]

No, I'm smart

trust

[kind tide]

👀👀

[eternal palm]

Retreat

[lucid ivy]

just moving units with low org out and replace with fresh

[eternal palm]

if in danger of encirclement, pull out

goes for other things aswell

[urban ivy]

if u play ussr

max out the mountaineer doctrine

put xp in gbp when u have it

[lucid ivy]

as ussr go for troskey

[primal timber]

so i lose rydz smigly but not rutkowski??

[urban ivy]

make mountaineers

keep battleplanning

u might want to keep stalin

[limpid mantle]

a late breakthroguh

[primal timber]

someone forgot to code that in

[eternal palm]

Naaa trotsky for funny gun3 rush and tools and conc 5

Best path

[urban ivy]

u can rush gun3 without trotsky

[eternal palm]

Yea but funny

you get it in like 1940

[lucid ivy]

i mean his prugers and paranioa just shits everything up tbh its abit rng

[urban ivy]

why would u recommend a so called noob

to go out on a civil war

[broken plover]

But russia is all plain and germany is also full plain and forrest its just italy that has mountains why should I make mountaineer?

[eternal palm]

I dont recommend

I'm just saying

it exists

[urban ivy]

that turns russia from a big major to a big minor

[eternal palm]

I thought u played no disc smh

bro doesnt know nooooo

[urban ivy]

no it s not all plains

it s plains and marshes

[eternal palm]

and forests

[urban ivy]

because they re top tier batallion

[lucid ivy]

i mean yea but you can end it like less than 4 months

[urban ivy]

most powerful special force in the game

[broken plover]

I see ok so first I should max gbp or special?

[urban ivy]

special

then gbp

[broken plover]

Russia civil wars are pain I had hella hard time to get all russia just from a small piece

[urban ivy]

for mountaineer doctrine u do left left right

[urban ivy]

where u need to choose between 2

u put 18 mountaineers

for the fill division

[primal timber]

germany is still at war with the soviets

[lucid ivy]

Competent italy ??

[urban ivy]

and 16 mountaineers 4 at

for the ones supposed to attack tanks

[broken plover]

Fill div? you mean I also have to defend with them? can't I just let my infs with support AA and AT do it?

[urban ivy]

u only use mountaineers

on the line

and the AT mountaineers as the divisions meant to attack tanks only

[urban ivy]

no

u make smth like this

[lucid ivy]

good enough line to hold ?

[primal timber]

mmm yes

this guy is a genius at how to dig a hole

[urban ivy]

no t_t

just attack

why are u purposely abandoning

all the land u conquered

[kind tide]

Stalin would never let bro be a commander irl

[lucid ivy]

its legit empty

[primal timber]

you can't rely on the dnieper and daugava to hold

[lucid ivy]

barely any civs or mils

[urban ivy]

bro didnt even bother to take latvia

u should correct this though

[lucid ivy]

👍

[primal timber]

make it run through vitebsk dawg

[lucid ivy]

i mean each tile has forts and AA

[urban ivy]

this as well

u re literally

throwing

out

[broken plover]

Ok just to make it clear I use AT mounts for their tanks and what was fill mounts for? and what should I do with my infs they hold the line right?

[urban ivy]

supply hubs

for

no reason

if u want to defend like a noob, u must let the ai starve

[lucid ivy]

Dw i resconstructed all hubs on the other side

[urban ivy]

so u want to give the enemy

free supply hubs?

[primal timber]

bro think he tsar alexander

[lucid ivy]

wait we cant destory hubs ?

[primal timber]

you can blow up the railways but not the hubs

[broken plover]

There is an option like that in game?

[urban ivy]

u only disable temporary

ai can repair

[lucid ivy]

😭

[primal timber]

my game froze for 7 seconds just to comprehend that italy is joining the axis

[broken plover]

Should I delete cavarly that I get in sov?

I think they are useless

[primal timber]

why is anti-air cheaper than a giant concrete shack

[eternal palm]

Convert to inf

Doesnt matter

[eternal palm]

Cuz concrete is cheaper than steel crazy I know

also ur comparing province vs state

[primal timber]

fearsome polish tank division

(its actually very bad but i don't have anything better)

germany's moving slow through their focus tree

they should've done befriend czechoslovakia by now

looks like they're doing their wehrmacht focuses first

join the allies or miedzymorze

[lucid ivy]

hows this

[primal timber]

think ill do forts first

then figure out the factions

[urban ivy]

too much artillery not enough support equipment

[eternal palm]

What year

[lucid ivy]

41

[eternal palm]

Is that with deployed?

Or without

[lucid ivy]

without

stockpile

[broken plover]

In the guide you gave me it says put 1 research free why is that?

Does it make researches faster or what?

[primal timber]

i had to check if i was guaranteed by the french

[eternal palm]

Basically, if you leave 1 slot free for 30 days, itll save those 30 days. If you then start researching something you were already researching with the slot that saved 30 days, you basically gain 30 days on that research. That is called a tech juggle

[primal timber]

im not

but im guaranteed by romania

[eternal palm]

Not necessary, you can ignore it

[primal timber]

who are in turn guaranteed by the french

so like

second-hand guarantee

[eternal palm]

That does not work like that

Guarantees only work if the guaranteed is directly declared war upon

So if someone declares war on you, Romania will join, but France wont

[primal timber]

so does it work the same way if they're in my faction

also i invited the baltics

its either taking a very long time or they rejected

[eternal palm]

if Romania is in a faction, the french guarantee will disappear

[primal timber]

i didn't get an event for a rejection from the baltic states so i have no diea what's going on

ill just assume they did

ill assume that the baltics also declined

based on that

[urban ivy]

will not disappear *

[eternal palm]

It will?

If u guarantee someone and they join a faction it disappears

[urban ivy]

romania main here

french and czech guarantees are hard coded

not manual guarantees

[broken plover]

@eternal palm In the guide it also says do construction 2 but Im still 0.40 year away should I still do as guide says?

[urban ivy]

they will not get deleted if they join a faction

[urban ivy]

u ignore that ahead of time penalty

[eternal palm]

Yes

[slim nexus]

If they guide says that

[eternal palm]

Rushing ahead of time is key

[urban ivy]

some stuff needs to be researched ahead of time

[slim nexus]

This is some of the less intuitive mechanics but it actually is

[eternal palm]

Bruh it literally is, you research earlier you get it faster

Monkey see monkey do

🐒

[broken plover]

Yeah but does it make any diffrence like I can just research something else and then when I comeback the penalty is gone and I can do it there like researching it sooner doesn't make it end the research faster when its in penalty I hope you get what I mean

[eternal palm]

The penalty is so little doesnt matter

you can research stuff 1 year ahead of time

[urban ivy]

fastest way to research something

[slim nexus]

You do not do it necessarily faster

[urban ivy]

is researching immediately

even if u want to research 1943 stuff

[eternal palm]

You do but oh well

[urban ivy]

it s better to do it right away

if u want to get it as soon as possible

also for construction

there s a curve

[slim nexus]

Maybe you get in day 1 1943

[urban ivy]

more construction early is more important than more construction late

same for mils

more mils early is better than more mils late

because in the meanwhile their efficiency cap grows

and they stockpile equipment

[broken plover]

the guide also says send attache to spain but spain declines is there a problem or its just like this by default?

[urban ivy]

u increase relations

with spain

and send attache to spain

and get war eco

[slim nexus]

You have to improve relations

[urban ivy]

yea

increase

[broken plover]

Yeah I know but Im not sure it makes any diffrence

[urban ivy]

opinion

[broken plover]

-100

[urban ivy]

when it gets to

30

or 33

u can send attache

[broken plover]

I mean lol they just have -10 relation with me and it makes this attache -100

Kinda crazy

[urban ivy]

like how new are u to yhe game

the*

[broken plover]

Not so much

I just asked a dummy question nvm

[urban ivy]

that s a flat modifier

-100

it s still -100 if they have 20 opinion

get it up to 30/35 and u can send the attache trust

[slim nexus]

Or maybe you just selected the wrong side

[urban ivy]

and after u send the attache

get war economy

[urban ivy]

doesnt matter

u can actually grind more xp is u send attache to republicans

[slim nexus]

As germany or itslian is harder to do that

[urban ivy]

no it s not

[broken plover]

What can I do about the french tank I can't get it from them it says tech diffrence do I need to research a heavy tank for it?

[urban ivy]

improve relations and send attache

[urban ivy]

u improve relations

[eternal palm]

Just ignore that, that is only if you have a french player

[urban ivy]

and ask for it

[eternal palm]

France doesnt start with the correct design

[urban ivy]

france starts with howitzer 1

[slim nexus]

What country is he playing?

[urban ivy]

basic heavy

[broken plover]

USSR

[broken plover]

Is Skirmisher MIO good for mounts?

[urban ivy]

tf is that

[broken plover]

wait

not mio shit I mean trait

@urban ivy

[eternal palm]

Skirmisher does nothing

Only pick camo

the rest is useless

[urban ivy]

camouflage expert

but dont pick the trait now

[misty fossil]

skirmisher mio

[urban ivy]

because ur general will get less xp

[misty fossil]

imagine

[eternal palm]

Armored Car type shit 💀

[urban ivy]

horse mio

[misty fossil]

lmao

[broken plover]

[misty fossil]

infantry mio

[urban ivy]

no like

[misty fossil]

like

[urban ivy]

literally

[eternal palm]

Make the gun designer already smh

[misty fossil]

the men

[urban ivy]

mio breeding horse

for cavalry units

[misty fossil]

LMAO

[eternal palm]

Dawg

[broken plover]

Ah I just did didn't see your massage 🙂

[eternal palm]

Stop boning horses

[urban ivy]

cause this game assumes horses are free

[eternal palm]

Cuz they are?

[urban ivy]

they re not

[eternal palm]

The horses in the park are free, I have 456 horses

[misty fossil]

gets warned against doing something that will ruin every single thing in existence
does it anyway
”oops didnt see the warning”

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770094079102681198/810242645716369438/image0-26.gif

[eternal palm]

I mean hoi4 players are deaf and illiterate so no surprise

[urban ivy]

sues them for harming himself

[misty fossil]

nah it was a joke

nothing serious

[eternal palm]

They like ask about what the tooltip says only for the tooltip to answer the question

[broken plover]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-taken-i-will-look-for-you-i-will-find-you-and-i-will-kill-you-gif-18874133

[misty fossil]

thank you for looking for me

no one does that

[eternal palm]

they fell down the well

[broken plover]

np

[misty fossil]

hoi4 tooltips dont make as much sense as like, say, eu4’s

hoi4 tooltips just dont tell you that much

and you can kinda get away with not reading anything

whereas in eu4 your nation’s survival literally hinges on reading the tooltip

[broken plover]

Should I focus on inspection on navy more for stalin paranoia?

[misty fossil]

yeah just gut the navy

you can always hire a new naval guy

[craggy dove]

are the allies supposed to have that many divisions in south africa?

[eternal palm]

If they are there they arent in europe or the UK

so its good

[icy crescent]

It appears like you are not in the same faction as England, therefore a potential enemy.

[craggy dove]

ig

[eternal palm]

murder all the admirals, kill bad gens, DO NOT click Beaurocracy and purge NKVD

If u just do purge on time, you shouldnt have any issues

btw you are only in trouble if paranoia gets above 60% so dont panic when it gets to 40%

[broken plover]

Also should I sieze spania gold reserves? I usually do cause they lose

[eternal palm]

Yes

always do

[broken plover]

This spania can't hold himself a little omg

Like literally I pushed bottom and they already lost everything

[eternal palm]

Shouldve been in madrid

check states if they are removed, if they are, go there

You also wanna grind in Zaragossa

[broken plover]

Im here rn its easy here but if they just could hold top a lil more I believe I could go to win war like this

[eternal palm]

Small tip, assign a garrison order in portugal, then assign a fm frontline order. Itll be empty but you'll be able to still get planning while being able to freely micro

[broken plover]

I have a problem the guide says now go for finish five year plan but I still don't have enough factories I have 93 what should I do should I skip all industries for now?

[eternal palm]

Just do what comes after and then do it once you have 100

[broken plover]

The problem is I can't do a ton of other focuses if I don't go that five year plan focus its a lil big skip

[eternal palm]

Then do army focuses

Until you have 100 factories

Oh btw you also need to kill trotsky manually

The guide doesnt mention it cuz in hmm its streamlined

[broken plover]

I just go the focuses you sure I need to kill trotsky I just wanna get rid of paranoia

[eternal palm]

Uh yeah you do?

-20% stab and -15% pp is so bad

Killing trotsky is mandatory

[broken plover]

I never see those stats where does the game show this debuffs? in national spirit?

Oh yeah

I see ok

[eternal palm]

Bruh 💀

[broken plover]

https://tenor.com/view/mal-kaan-salak-kaan-aptal-kaan-gerizeklaıkaan-kaan-gif-22170953

I think I should check ns's more

[eternal palm]

do not abbreviate national spirits 💀

worse than abbreviating command power

[craggy dove]

anyone have a good armored car template?

[eternal palm]

Just dont 💀

[craggy dove]

light tanks always a better pick?

[chilly cipher]

MD

[eternal palm]

Speed is so irrelevant lol

[chilly cipher]

🇺🇸

[eternal palm]

just make medium tanks

But if u really wanna use armored cars here you go https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/732726938149322773/1406705763069464680/image.png?ex=68aea515&is=68ad5395&hm=ac0316670f60ac14aef55546242ce4af37c0c7af7c63098e21eb5be6b517517b&

[craggy dove]

im south africa with small industry

[eternal palm]

Then dont even bother

[craggy dove]

and i want to zoom north

[eternal palm]

Just make inf

[craggy dove]

alr

[broken plover]

@eternal palm Why do I have to collab on latvia?

[eternal palm]

Cuz more civ

And you'll actually keep latvia for pretty long

Btw the guide also mentions no winter war but just go kill finland

And only puppet them in the 2 states bordering norway and dont call them in

DOnt forget to change garrison to liberated workers and cav div

[broken plover]

What should I do here 🙁

[eternal palm]

Cant do much, retreat out of sevilla

Mountains in grenada are more holdable

Also draw some arrows for the love of god

[broken plover]

You mean offensive line?

[eternal palm]

Uh yea

You need it to get planning

[broken plover]

Why my units are just 6 they can't push anything I micro control them its better

[marsh ravine]

You still get buffs from planning

[broken plover]

than they just push towards a well defensed tile

[eternal palm]

I'm not saying you need to battleplan but you can just draw the arrow

[marsh ravine]

U dont activate it lol

[broken plover]

Oh

[eternal palm]

Also do this still

With that you can micro and get planning

[primal timber]

gonna send an attache to china for free army xp

[broken plover]

I don't get what do you mean by assigning a garriosn order in portugal and what's fm frontline order?

[eternal palm]

You know what an area defense order is?

You know what a field marshal is?

[broken plover]

Yes 😄

[eternal palm]

Good, FM is short for Field Marshal

Then assing an area defense order in portugal, and then just draw a field marshal offensive order

In spain

[broken plover]

So I do a area defense in portgual and then just make an offensive border?

[eternal palm]

Yes

[broken plover]

Which I dont have a front line to do so and making a front line with fm will cancel the area defense

[primal timber]

erm

[eternal palm]

No the general does area defense, fm does frontline

[primal timber]

okay trotsky yeah sure man sure

[broken plover]

Like this I added the area defense on port to with general

So what does this do

[eternal palm]

Yes thats better

[eternal palm]

You can get planning and freely micro your units without them walking somewhere automatically

also expand it on the entire front

[primal timber]

what was i doing

oh right

blowing up lithuania

[marsh ravine]

U make a field marshal frontline and a general area defense

[primal timber]

"end of the league of nations" who cares

[broken plover]

Got it

[primal timber]

thats

thats the wrong image

thats for iraq

[broken plover]

@eternal palm The guide doesn't realy say which mio I should go for okmo it just says what policy I can go for it should I do Mio's as I like?

[eternal palm]

Do okmo on the equipment and assign cutting corners as policy

THen do refurbishment plant on the production line and assign assembly line optimisers

[broken plover]

Yeah I still can't do that

[broken plover]

Assembly line production like what?

Lol I think I still have chances to win the war in spain

[eternal palm]

Policy

You need MIO lvl 6

[eternal palm]

Assing a fm too dawg

Dont just leave it empty its free stats

[misty fossil]

No

[eternal palm]

You might wanna ll spain some guns though, their strength isnt looking too hot

If u wanna win

[primal timber]

that took like 4 months but hey more building slots

[misty fossil]

The lion does not concern itself with spain

[eternal palm]

The bear*

[primal timber]

ill give memel back to the germans

[eternal palm]

We're talking about russia :trollface:

[misty fossil]

you’re there to grind general traits not to help them win

[eternal palm]

Well you can do both

sad that he doesnt grind cav though

[broken plover]

My bad

[primal timber]

actually they don't claim memel yet

new flag

[broken plover]

Can't not enough world tension I thought of this before

[eternal palm]

damn

unfortunate

[primal timber]

we have

a pretty sizeable army

all things considered

96 divs

the germans have roughly

200

[broken plover]

What do you think of my researches so far? @eternal palm

[eternal palm]

What year

[broken plover]

Just got into 1938

1 jan

[eternal palm]

Then thats pretty good

ur following the guide

[broken plover]

Guide had 4 slots

but sov doesn't 🙁

[eternal palm]

Yea you didnt get enough civs in time

you get the 4th slot below foreign experts

Sov can get 5 but its not necessary

[primal timber]

no germans garrisoning the border

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348640301937590273/1409784061932867614/attachment.gif

[broken plover]

Yeah but Idk what I did wrong with civs

[primal timber]

i could prank hitler right now

[eternal palm]

can you still not do it?

[broken plover]

My construction

[eternal palm]

You should swap to mils right now 💀

Do not build civs past 37

[broken plover]

I have 99 factories

[eternal palm]

Civs or in total?

[broken plover]

Ok

total

[eternal palm]

What

[limpid field]

whats that thing in tank designer

[eternal palm]

Howitzer 2

[limpid field]

thx

[eternal palm]

you get it from the tech before arty 3

How much infra did u build?

[craggy dove]

is there any way to drag spain into war with either diplomatic pressure or improve relations or no?

[eternal palm]

You should only build infra in moscow, stalingrad, azerbaijan and Ufa

Then civs till dec 37

then mils

[broken plover]

In 1938 1 jan I have 99 factories after this focus completes Im going to finish paranoia in 35 days then go finsih 5 year plan

[eternal palm]

no additional infra

[eternal palm]

You shouldve done it way earlier though hmm

dont matter just do it like you said

[eternal palm]

Cant you remove that for them?

[broken plover]

Yeah Idk why I didn't get enough factories

[eternal palm]

Do the focus "alliance with spain"

[craggy dove]

playing as south africa

[primal timber]

imagine being some general in the KMT army

and theres just some polish guy

[eternal palm]

Nevermind 💀

Then germany needs to do it

[primal timber]

can i

go for silesia on the germans

they're busy with the allies

not enough tension

i will be back

[broken plover]

@eternal palm What do you think of this I think I messed up a lil

[primal timber]

you could probably use more tanks

germans aren't going after belgium strangely enough

[eternal palm]

Should be 5 on truck, 7 on support 7 on aa, and none on arty

[primal timber]

so they're gonna have to go through the maginot

[urban ivy]

civs until june at most

june 37 at most

because the current meta is germany starting ww2 in mid/late 1938

so u have less time to prepare

[primal timber]

western europe is starting to look more like ww1 by each day

think i can shove in a few meds in my tank divs now

gonna have to do this to

get the lower tension limit

[analog ivy]

since when did peru have 50000 focuses in rt56???

[primal timber]

average middle eastern nation focus tree in a modern day mod

i think that tree is the same size as the soviet one lmao

[analog ivy]

well this is gonna be a fun game lol

[craggy dove]

why do my 2 width cav die when attacking?

[primal timber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1348640301937590273/1409784061932867614/attachment.gif

[broken plover]

Its over

[primal timber]

what about a double attache

[broken plover]

You can't do 2 attache

[sudden thistle]

Rip

[primal timber]

yes i can

don't ask what business the polish have in china

[broken plover]

NEVAH!

[primal timber]

actually sending one to japan would've been funnier

this entire border is rather undefended

can't help but notice hungary being

entirely isolated

not sure why germany didn't do anschluss

even if they did von neurath they can still do it

here comes uncle sam

[wind fog]

i am waiting for the Vietnam dlc

:3

since 2014

[primal timber]

okay game

thats a solid

what 59 years

before i can take prussia and silesia from them

[heavy vigil]

Tough

Just wait it out

[primal timber]

i don't think germany will exist within the next 59 years but sure

blast it

can't sit here for too long

im just gonna cancel the

non-aggro

and justify manually

hopefully i can catch them offguard for the moment

most of their troops are in the west i reckon

the soviets have mil access with me

[analog ivy]

shouldnt they make the dariean gap unpassable?

[primal timber]

oh their troops are

scrambling to my border

i don't think its enough though

[marsh ravine]

Thsts what happens when u justify lol

[primal timber]

well they don't have enough

[misty fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGXKDe-qbC0

[primal timber]

i did do the

miedzymorze

so they also have to cover the czechs

ill let romania deal with hungary

precautionary save

[sudden thistle]

The gap isn’t impassable

[primal timber]

and into the pit

[sudden thistle]

Just extremely hard

[primal timber]

ill let the allies deal with japan

[sudden thistle]

Besides they haven’t updated that region in a while

[marsh ravine]

*Ever

[primal timber]

wait i forgot a very important mod

[misty fossil]

real

[primal timber]

how can i blow up berlin without attack of the killer queen blasting in my ears shattering all the windows across eastern europe

[atomic grove]

why am i only getting this event now

unlike the other hundred times that ive seen poland get absolutely clobbered by germany

[fiery trench]

Guy on bike fell over so had to take a few days rest

So late with delivery on news

[marsh ravine]

Poland did a focus mayb

[primal timber]

pranked

another epic prank

this prank was sponsored by wladyslaw sikorski

[misty fossil]

bice?

[primal timber]

r56

[misty fossil]

oh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770094079102681198/810242645716369438/image0-26.gif

[primal timber]

i just got the music that plays for the final boss in deltarune

this isnt even the final boss

that's the soviets

epic prank

we got berlin

https://tenor.com/view/kang-the-conqueror-kang-variants-many-kangs-multiple-kangs-kangs-cheering-gif-13082239200333412930

lebensraum this lebensraum that

nuh uh

[leaden crescent]

how do u play poland without getting buttfucked by germany

[eternal palm]

Win

[leaden crescent]

be fr ive tried EVERYTHING