hoi4-general

[clear dagger]

wdym too defensive

do you not know what planning is

[latent galleon]

Gbp is not defensive

[desert cedar]

Iirc, it gives planning and defensive bomuses like entrenchment.

[clear dagger]

planning gives a flat bonus to all attacks

[latent galleon]

You get 1 entrenchment bonus

[clear dagger]

entrenchment is the other part

a flat bonus for all defense stats

when youre defending

if you have 80% planning you do 80% more damage when you are attacking

[latent galleon]

You can get like 70% more stats

Wait 80%m

?*

[clear dagger]

like at max with marshals

with it

[latent galleon]

Or right forgot

[desert cedar]

That's overrated for me. I have to switch frontlines too fast for it to be useful at all. The only one that is consistent is soviets, and that ends a vit too fast imo bc once i'm at war, it doesn't tick up.

[sharp sierra]

not ture

[latent galleon]

Level 10 gives you more planning

[sharp sierra]

quick improvisation too if ur that worried

[limber jackal]

imma naval invade turkey

is that a stupid idea

[clear dagger]

level 10?

[latent galleon]

For the stat or whatever

That gives planning

[sharp sierra]

@serene inlet hows it going

[desert cedar]

Eh. I dunno. The bonused that apply to all my divs and that are pretty much tailored to what i do every game benefit me like 10 times more personally.

Also, i dunno if i got mod issues, but does planning only rise if you activate a plan?

[latent galleon]

There's like atk,def,log and one more that gives planning forgot the name

[clear dagger]

no that just starts the advance

it rises after you put an offensive line

if you want to get more planning faster do Staff Office Plan

planning speed 400%

[sharp sierra]

quick improvisation

[clear dagger]

for 7 days

[desert cedar]

Alright, are naval invasions different? Bc my planning didn't tick up when k had naval invasions on the american pacific islands prepared.

[serene inlet]

ok so only 4 landed

no naval supremacy

only had it for 1 sec

[sharp sierra]

did u kill all the submarines yet

[desert cedar]

Then possibly mod compat issues for me. It didn't tick up at all.

[serene inlet]

idk alot

[clear dagger]

did you have any divisions selected on it?

[desert cedar]

I'm aware of that, ye.

[sharp sierra]

u shuld have supremacy with ur fleet stacked into one

[serene inlet]

if i bring back my subs ill have it for enough time tho

[clear dagger]

sometimes when you make a new offensive plan your army is still stuck on the old one you didnt know existed

[sharp sierra]

idk if ur game is somehow different

[desert cedar]

I had the plans ready, divs assigned, and in position.

[clear dagger]

can you send a screenshot

[desert cedar]

They didn't have any prior orders.

[desert cedar]

Too late. Those invasions happened like 2 hours ago.

[serene inlet]

Idk

[clear dagger]

do you have an old save near that time

[serene inlet]

had like 46 percent

[desert cedar]

Autosaved at most. But i actually have new invasions set up.

[clear dagger]

k

[sharp sierra]

will you be my ai boyfriend

https://tenor.com/view/barbershop-haircut-that-costs-a-quarter-gif-443056873769492627

[misty fossil]

if you are a girl, yes

[sharp sierra]

girls dont exist here

[misty fossil]

oh right

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/hearts-of-iron-4-your-hoi4-hoika-never-lose-your-hoi4-hoi4-gif-3320429921834272528

[brittle gazelle]

I know why this germany run so far is failing pretty bad

all my units and shit have terrible fighting strength

[sharp sierra]

show screenshots

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-micromanage-gif-20717885

[sharp sierra]

lmao stop attacking

[sharp sierra]

just let them fill upo

[brittle gazelle]

theyre all at half or lower

[sharp sierra]

just defend for a while and build some planes and shit

[brittle gazelle]

i should be stomping poland but, im not

im struggling like hell

[sharp sierra]

u dont have that many units either

[brittle gazelle]

theyre all 24 width

[sharp sierra]

just let them build up and maybe look into a unit thats more efficient to attack with

[brittle gazelle]

it was just an ass run to begin with

[sharp sierra]

its ok u can save it

[brittle gazelle]

i didnt get austria till i warred for it in 38

[sharp sierra]

ass runs are fun to fix

[brittle gazelle]

because i needed to due to MEFO

hungary wants my ass, romaina is against me now

[sharp sierra]

thats fine theyre easy targets

you might come out stronger

[brittle gazelle]

easy targets when you actually have a military

im struggling against poland, by itself

[sharp sierra]

yeah so just chill on the offensive and let the units refill with equipment

train more units

hows the air situation

you should be winning that at least right

[brittle gazelle]

its okay

yeah thats down

replacing 36 fighters and CAS with 40's

[desert cedar]

Since i can't tab out, have these primitive pictures. As you can see, my marines are assigned and they are in position, but planning bar doesn't rise despite entrenchment having ticked to full. It is likely just a mod issue.

[sharp sierra]

i think naval invasions dont get planning less you have the sf doctrine

there might be a trick to it but idk off hand

[desert cedar]

I mean, i got the sf doctrines. But could it be that the marine commandos don't get planning or smth? I dunno.

Went right left on the sf naval doctrine tho.

[brittle gazelle]

im steadily increasing military and civilian factories though

98 civ, 78 military

[desert cedar]

Wth? Appearantly, my division ai is incredibly afraid of the Burma border.

[brittle gazelle]

oh goddamnit am i economically screwed to a degree as I let conquest economy get to 100%?

I cant achieve Autarky

oh wait, i can strong arm twice

[desert cedar]

Ok, yeah. You're right. Naval invasions don't get it bc i picked the wrong side ig.

Normal divs do get planning bonus.

[brittle gazelle]

wait i can only strongarm once now uh oh

[desert cedar]

Still, usually i don't use it as my frontlines tend to move fast.

[sharp sierra]

yea but without planning i think id still take grand battle plan

[desert cedar]

I personally wouldn't. I think superipr firepower is far mpre convenient for my arty-soaked builds.

[clear dagger]

even if you dont do planning, GBP right side still has some good stats

[serene inlet]

@sharp sierra ty man ur goated

[lost quest]

this might be why…

[sharp sierra]

oh nice dude

[brittle gazelle]

I screwed my german economy by being a dumbass

[sharp sierra]

shoud have shown some combat screenshots

did it get a little dicey or no

[pearl jackal]

aussa rejected italian demands what?????? this never happens???

[brittle gazelle]

I let economy of conquest 100%, and i cant get it down enough to do the one last thing that requires it below 90

[clear dagger]

they have had enough

[pearl jackal]

lmao yes

[sharp sierra]

do u have all the dlc

[brittle gazelle]

which that steps me towards autarky

[lost quest]

hoi4 players when they try to talk to a woman start saying achtung and angetreten

[sharp sierra]

can i have ur save

[brittle gazelle]

no, just some

its r56 though too

[pearl jackal]

fun fact: aussa has a free focus tree, hope this helps u sleep at night :)

[serene inlet]

at the start it was really hard to push but once i broke the line and encircled upper scotland things went really faster. tho the whole thing took a pretty look time, i'm probably mid 41 rn

[sharp sierra]

yea mine took some time too

[serene inlet]

only screen i have

[clear dagger]

once forced italy out of ethiopia as aussa

[sharp sierra]

interesting

i focused on splitting them in half

[pearl jackal]

wow

[serene inlet]

supply wasnt bad but the air was terrible

[clear dagger]

the amount of volunteers that came to me.....

[sharp sierra]

grabbing some airfields and defensible tiles

[serene inlet]

tbh i shouldve ran to encircle upper scotland

[pearl jackal]

lmaooo

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[brittle gazelle]

ima pull myself back a year-ish

[serene inlet]

but like even then its not a bad thing since they reinforced up there so i killed more off the encirclement

[clear dagger]

i had people from ussr, china, uk, france, portugal, etc

idfk why

[desert cedar]

I mean, aside from less supply consumption, recon and night attack on the right and more coordination on the left, i only see org and recovery rate and some minor buffs. Those can be otherwise amended.

[pearl jackal]

the fact that when ethiopia push italy out they get to peace out but when aussa push italy out they don't get to peace out, clearly aussa wasnt designed to survive

[serene inlet]

tbh i should puppet britain

[brittle gazelle]

not fight poland till i resupply, and hopefully dont screw my economy so bad;y

[clear dagger]

and what would you get thats so much better in sfp?

[serene inlet]

taking them doesnt really give me anything valuable

[sharp sierra]

i usually just annex everything

[serene inlet]

why

[sharp sierra]

and let the compliance build

[serene inlet]

i think it would be overkill

[desert cedar]

I'mma make a small list.

[serene inlet]

i dont that much mils

[sharp sierra]

but hitler has a bad stat for compliance growth so idk

i hate reichskommisrairt decision releasables tho

[serene inlet]

can i make generalgovernment in britain

oh yeah

[sharp sierra]

theyre not good

[serene inlet]

y

[sharp sierra]

they dont own their own territory

[serene inlet]

lmao wzhat

[sharp sierra]

i believe their territory isnt even cored by them they just have bonuses

[serene inlet]

annexing would have no benefits tho

only taking me garrison and giving me mils that i dont need

[sharp sierra]

what else do you need in this game besides mils

[serene inlet]

idk tbh i already have 10 billions

[sharp sierra]

annexing all of the commonwealth gives you more manpower anyways

[rustic furnace]

You can never have enough mills

Mills are love mills are life

[sharp sierra]

i see annexing as investing in compliance early on

u have a collab on uk too right

[serene inlet]

uhhhh

[sharp sierra]

i noticed that in ur save

[serene inlet]

prob

yeah

the collab spy thing

right

[sharp sierra]

yeah def annex then

its not a full collab but

why wasts 45% compliance on a stupid puppet

[serene inlet]

it hel^ps with compliance

[sharp sierra]

i just hate puppets

[serene inlet]

y

if you're a minor country it's op tbh

[sharp sierra]

for sure

[serene inlet]

like u dont have to make ur own division

u can have like 3 million fielded out of nowhere if you just keep asking for divs

[sharp sierra]

even then in my south african basically world conquest games i still annex

and occupy territory

eespecially india

noncore manpower gained is enough from them

but yea spamming puppet troops then annexing them is great too

for the manpower

[blazing holly]

Today there will be a dev diary??

[lost quest]

What is the best way to quickly annex a puppet

[sharp sierra]

convoy lend lease

have plenty of politcal power

[lost quest]

how many should I send to them

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-five-hundred-cigarettes-gif-6779891482871762392

500

[pearl jackal]

ETHIOPIA CAPITULATED BEFORE AUSSA LMAO WTH

[clear dagger]

LOL

[pearl jackal]

i dont think italian generals know what aussa is so they just get confused

[clear dagger]

it wasnt on their map

[lost quest]

time to build more dockyards ig

[pearl jackal]

yeah prob

[sharp sierra]

gurt von rundstedt

[clear dagger]

but then they remembered a man named Jafar, he came from Afar

[pearl jackal]

.

lol

[clear dagger]

his final words were "ALLAH ACKBAR" and mussolini fricking died

[sharp sierra]

just send them all of your convoys youll get them back once you annex

[lost quest]

there wasn’t a bomb in the car this time

[sharp sierra]

but dont send more than the current level of autonomy would decrease

[pearl jackal]

nah but like italian citizens will be cheering thinking that they won cuz no one have ever heard of aussa

[lost quest]

I was playing as Indonesia trying to integrate Papua bc I can’t put up with those mfs anymore

[clear dagger]

Papua, come to Papa

[lost quest]

I understand why Indonesian government did what they did irl

[karmic pendant]

Yo, quick question. There was a website with template guides and examples for HOI4. Is it still active? I dont remember the adress

[lost quest]

(this is a joke)

[serene inlet]

should i make a shit ton of tanks before invading soviet unions

[karmic pendant]

Indonesia is lowkey goated wym

[lost quest]

Why the hell did the Dutch try and colonize an island full with cannibal tribes in the first place

were they high

[karmic pendant]

Jakarta is the best city name you could ever come up with fr

[clear dagger]

they just needed some MONEH

https://tenor.com/view/dutch-rdr2-gif-15590042829300150688

have some goddamn FAITHE

[lost quest]

they colonized a shit ton of smaller islands was that not enough

[clear dagger]

they have a PLANE

[pearl jackal]

cuz resources

[lost quest]

West Papua was DEFINITELY not worth the trouble 🥀

[proud tapir]

"We just need more RESOURCES!"
"I have a plan ussr, you trade me that iron and rubber"

"HAVE SOME FAITH"

[clear dagger]

@desert cedar

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-jim-carrey-typing-jim-carrey-typing-angry-jim-carrey-typing-fast-gif-22736994

[lost quest]

give him time

he has a plan

[clear dagger]

i will im just thought of funny gif

[lost quest]

just like Dutch

[flat barn]

hello my friends

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-right-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-5292336

[lost quest]

Türkiye?

[flat barn]

No

[flat barn]

Just a name similarity

[serene inlet]

anyone has a good tank division

temp

[lost quest]

self propelled rocket artillery

every single batallion

fill it all with self propelled rocket artillery

[proud tapir]

Dutch....it was Romania.....he flipped, joined the soviets....hes a rat....i told you.

[lost quest]

wait until you hear about Bulgaria

[lost quest]

https://tenor.com/view/uzbekchat-uzbekistan-uzbek-muscle-man-gif-24613347

[clear dagger]

hold on lemme photoshop dutch's face onto Downfall hitler rq

https://tenor.com/view/downfall-real-sad-gif-8022269746374397069

[proud tapir]

i tried to make a dutch steiner counterattack joke but idk how it should go

[serene inlet]

us after steiner didnt counter attack

[proud tapir]

"The pinkertons are advancing here and here"

"But, michas counterattack will turn the tide. With enough money we can go to tahiti"

"Dutch....Micah....."

"Micah could not mobilize enough men"

[clear dagger]

"Micah got drunk and shot a civilian, he is now sentenced to hang tomorrow"

[serene inlet]

should i put flame tank on infantry divisions

[cedar lance]

hello yalls wassup

[primal timber]

lithuania

https://tenor.com/view/broob-broseidon-smitty-gif-24263466

[flat barn]

My barb went into a stalemate :/

this always happens nowdays

[primal timber]

now wait just a second

[desert cedar]

SFP: (my way, left right) ( also gonna ignore armored cars, i never use them)

15% soft attack for all fl battalions,
20% soft attack for line arty,
10% soft attack for foot inf and mot./mech.,
5% hard attack for foot inf and mot./mech.,
5% hard attack for arty,
20 org for foot inf,
10 org for mot./mech.,
10% def for foot inf and mot./mech.,
0,2 recovery rate for line arty,
0,05 recovery rate for foot inf and mot./mech.,
100% more recon for recon comp,
2% reinforce rate,
5% coordination,
10% def buff to arty by signal comp,
10% breakthrough for tanks,
0,05 recovery rate for tanks,
4 org for tanks,
Arguably some of the best Tactic spread.

GBP: (also not gonna count the armored cars here)

25% entrenchment speed,
10 max entrenchment,
10% max planning,
0,25 command power,
10% def for leg inf and mot./mech.,
10 org for leg inf and mot./mech.,
10% breakthrough for all,
5% soft attack for all,

GBP left:

15 org for mot./mech.,
5 org for foot inf,
5 org for amtrac,
20% max planning,
10% coordination,
2 org for tanks
10% breakthrough for all
5% def buff for foot inf and mot./mech. by supply comp,
30 max command power,
2% reinforce rate.

GBP right:

10% breakthrough for foot inf,
15 org for foot inf,
5 org for tanks,
0,1 recovery rate for tanks,
5% soft attack buff for foot inf by recon comp,
10% less supply consumption,
15% command power gain,
25% night attack,
10 org for mot./mech,
2% reinforce rate,
100% recon bonus for recon comp.

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/valkyrie-war-gif-18954904

[desert cedar]

Sorry for the long message.

But i still think SFP is better.

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/you-cant-save-everybody-john-valentine-the-underground-railroad-cant-save-them-all-save-whoever-you-can-gif-21565206

[desert cedar]

I can understand the appeal of a right GBP tho. But with my arty-heavy playstyle, SFP is by far better for me.

[heavy vigil]

What

[limber jackal]

all hail entrenchment

entrenchment the goat

[heavy vigil]

Gbp left is like a lot or total planning

[desert cedar]

Just ignore it.

[heavy vigil]

Gbp is a trash defensive doctrine tho

[primal timber]

mauser mauser more mil; facs please

[toxic lotus]

Line arty is so meta guys

[heavy vigil]

Youre just wrong but ok

[heavy vigil]

And why not mention mass mob? Lol

[primal timber]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-a-davis-gif-8719402701995334166

[desert cedar]

Well, i rarely actually use it. My frontlines move to much to make planning preferrable to raw firepower or supply bonuses and night attack GBP right or SFP give respectively.

[proud tapir]

this is a masterpiece

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/dutch-van-der-linde-dutch-rdr-rdr2-red-dead-gif-27704703

[desert cedar]

Do i look like a russian to you? I'm a german/japan main.

[toxic lotus]

GBP solos sfp

[limber jackal]

terry davis clip real

[heavy vigil]

Its perfectly fine on both of those

Especially jap

[toxic lotus]

German main and japan ye ggs

[clear dagger]

its not only for communist countries

[desert cedar]

Also, opinion is objective. SFP is better for my playstyle by far.

[limber jackal]

superior firepower is if you're a major

grand battleplan if you're a minor nation

there

[heavy vigil]

Well no because SFP you need 6+ line artillery for left side to even outdo the buffs for 1 support company on right

Lol

[limber jackal]

and mass is if you love spamming troops

mobile warfare is literally only for germany basically

[heavy vigil]

And also its just not actually good at giving breakthroughs

Breakthrough stat*

Which is why youd go gbp

Also generals have a button for free insta planning in like 3 days

[serene inlet]

is this good?

it should do the work

ig

[limber jackal]

me personally

i prefer grand battleplan

it's way more versatile

[toxic lotus]

France solos germany and japan

[limber jackal]

in almost any situation can you use grand battleplan

superior firepower is if you're well, superior

like

you can fend off the entire axis as greece with grand battleplan

[lethal ether]

id remove like 4 mechanized

too much width

[clear dagger]

make it 36 width, too slow add logistics company

[limber jackal]

im literally doing it rn

[desert cedar]

The pure killing factor for my divs is pretty great, so again, i prefer my arty-inf divs that hit different with SFP. Also, breakthrough is pretty irrelevant when fighting an AI. And if need be, tanks.

[clear dagger]

othwise looking pretty good i think

[serene inlet]

yeah mb true

the width

forgor

[wraith epoch]

hello

[karmic pendant]

is there any place where I can find templates for units?

[primal timber]

sorry mussolini but in this world you need atleast 500 strands of hair

[desert cedar]

Well, yes, depending on how it's utilized, definitely. You can get very high def stats and entrenchment. But that is pretty irrelevant for my moving frontlines that lack tanks most of the game. But i can agree it can be good. Also, others in this chat seem to miss my point. I am not saying SFP is objectively better. I am stating that it fits my playstyle far more than the relatively defensive org, entrenchment, or planning buffs. Planning only helps when you are stationary after all.

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-five-hundred-cigarettes-gif-6779891482871762392

500 strands of hair

[primal timber]

1984

[clear dagger]

it takes less than a week if you do staff office plan to get max planning and the buff applies to attacks

[toxic lotus]

Still stuck in 2017 bro🥀 🥀 🥀 🥀

[clear dagger]

not a stationary buff

[limber jackal]

i agree, it also fits my playstyle more because i usually main germany or japan, it's just that grand battleplan is more versatile

[clear dagger]

thats entrenchment

[limber jackal]

thats what i meant to say

[desert cedar]

I mean, you can still get a limited planning bonus that's only 30% reduced for SFP too. It's not as strong, but my arty makes up for it with sheer kills.

[primal timber]

why is there just a giant shed

[toxic lotus]

If they would make line arty 1w it would be way better

[desert cedar]

I mean, i kill most ai with literal 7-2s.

[lapis snow]

another day, another SFP enjoyer arguing feels over reals

[clear dagger]

yeah the width from arty is not worth the stats

[lapis snow]

If SFP was actually good it would have a less than zero pick rate in MP and comp, it doesn't

[desert cedar]

Well, i don't have much of an issue with it tbh. I still use it extensively to great effectiveness.

[clear dagger]

if i remember correctly a few years ago SFP was the meta

[lapis snow]

because the AI divs are garbo my dude

[sour marlin]

best russian tank rn

[primal timber]

i don't bother with doctrines i just stick with the starting doctrines lmao

[clear dagger]

when looking at old yt videos

[desert cedar]

Who said i'm some mp sweat?

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-kurt-angle-100-yard-stare-what-are-you-serious-gif-4081464694509837388

[lapis snow]

when the game came out it was good, that changed some years ago at this point

[primal timber]

glorified tank from 1971

[limber jackal]

theres competitive hoi4?

[lapis snow]

no-one, but you are asserting that a trash doctrine is good

[lapis snow]

ofc

[limber jackal]

oo

nice

i always wanted to see a competitive hoi4 match

[primal timber]

casual fascism vs competitive fascism

[limber jackal]

ngl

[limber jackal]

LOL

fr

[primal timber]

the hell they want

[clear dagger]

"ITALY WHY DIDNT YOU GARRISON ROME"

[limber jackal]

all hail grand battleplan

[limber jackal]

is that not just hoi4

not only competitive hoi4

[flat barn]

yes meta

2% of the soviet army

[craggy dove]

which country has the most fun democratic path?

[desert cedar]

It is good. I actually did play and win like 2 MP games with it as germany. Private ones tho. But i micro'd 2 soviet players by myself with SFP

It depends on your build.

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-tisbutascratch-knight-funny-gif-9050905

[limber jackal]

btw

[desert cedar]

Like every doctrine.

[limber jackal]

what do yall use massed attack for

[flat barn]

hoi4 mp italys the moment it comes to fighting anywhere other than the eastern front or egypt 💀

[limber jackal]

the only thing ive ever used it for is the soviet union and china

[flat barn]

soviet union and china

[primal timber]

sure mussolini

[flat barn]

i use superior fire power as romania and the usa

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/hourra-ura-soviet-soviétique-urss-gif-4182049507446255600

[desert cedar]

Not once. Even my rare soviet builds go SFP.

[limber jackal]

istg massed attack has no purpose other than china and the ussr

[flat barn]

barbarossing is in full motion

[limber jackal]

ive never had a successful barbarossa somehow

[lapis snow]

mass mob (MA-RR) is the best infantry doctrine

[flat barn]

you just need cas and a breaktrhrough into the supply hubs in one area

[primal timber]

i feel tempted to start making armored cars for the first time any hoi4 player has in 12 years

[flat barn]

in multiplayer

[lapis snow]

in general

[primal timber]

i need more

[limber jackal]

holy

ai japan sucks

[scenic moon]

I like grand battleplan too

[limber jackal]

i usually have china beat by 1940

YES

US JOINED ALLIES

FINALLY

IM NOT ALONE

[flat barn]

uk is strangely vunerabler ngl

vunerable

after the soviets they are gonna be mighty submissive once i fully urn to dockyards and bomb them again

[limber jackal]

that's the most defended uk i've seen in my life if i had to be honest

[clear dagger]

once capped uk in jan 39 cause they had like 6 divisions there

[desert cedar]

Right ma is actually pretty decent, bust mostly for it's reinforce rate.

[clear dagger]

as lux

[limber jackal]

bro

the allies are rlly easy to cap

you just need to land in paris with a single paratrooper

and its over

for france

uk you just need to immediately activate naval invasion or paratroop again before they get their defenses up

or just be good

and the us is the easiest out of everyone

if you have canada

or mexico somehow

[lapis snow]

and guerrilla tactics, 5% conscription and combat width reduction for inf batts

its mint

[flat barn]

🇩🇪

the german draem

[clear dagger]

me as lux justifying on mexico in 38 for that exact purpose:

[limber jackal]

o

wait

i just discovered tactics

havve these always existed?

these were not here yesterday istg

[lapis snow]

yes

[limber jackal]

ok

ig i do elastic defense

cuz im defending

[flat barn]

lmao the axis invasion of india

[marsh ravine]

Yss💀

[limber jackal]

i think they're with no step back

[marsh ravine]

What doctrine r u?

[limber jackal]

grand battleplan

and im greece

[clear dagger]

once saw germany naval invade 1 single island in the pacific

[limber jackal]

i have no option

[clear dagger]

they didnt even have military access to japan lol

[marsh ravine]

I swear you have better defensive tactics

[desert cedar]

Ngl, i think the left is a bit better. Even less supply worries, additional tank buffs, less org loss, even a bit more planning, and only 10% less reinforce rate than right.

[lapis snow]

DB is decent

[limber jackal]

wfym by that

[desert cedar]

I mean, depends on playstyle ofc.

[limber jackal]

wdym*

i just go insane on entrenchment

[marsh ravine]

I swear you have better defensive tactics than elastic defense

[limber jackal]

and boom

[limber jackal]

oh

i dont

meh

[proud tapir]

Guys what are go to advisors in your opinion? Something you need eventualy no matter which nation

[lapis snow]

the main "playstyle" differences come down to "are you using tanks or not?" Since its either inf or tanks doing the heavy lifting. Which is why its easy to get reductive

[desert cedar]

Not rlly. Infantry is usually used for the entire game, but they can be exchanged for mot./mech. later. Also, those few arty enthusiasts like myself are also a thing. Essentially it comes down to the roles of arty, inf, mot./mech., tanks and even air in your build. Air since SFP left left gives you 10% air superiority.

I for one invest in arty quite a lot. And the SFP helps in raw killing power for both my arty and inf. Helps me grind down any nation with relative ease. And the relatively good org stats i get extra are just the cherry on top.

Works for me, not for everyone.

[proud tapir]

@desert cedar is a 9 blocks of infantry and support arty+support engineers a good template for infantry that hold the line

[lapis snow]

yes, 9/0s are good

[proud tapir]

oke thx, im new so i wanna learn some decent templates

[desert cedar]

Also, if you plan to fight in areas without supply, like china, possibly india, japan, soviets, even germans, depending on build, can do pretty well with ma left.

[proud tapir]

im playing communist China, Japan is not prepared for war 🙏😭
Their units are awful

I have no supply yet still defend without a sweat

[flat barn]

😮 Is dis dur battle ub taliningrad?

i'll supply my troops by air and win the battle in a counter offensive!

[lapis snow]

the war in china is kinda just a case of supply being crap for both sides so you're on more even footing than it first appears

[desert cedar]

If you want to follow my way with arty, providing you have the industrial capacity, you could go for superior firepower and 7 infantry and 2 like arty as a decent template that works pretty well for me. But don't just adapt that. Think about your build beforehand.

[desert cedar]

Then definitely not my thing.

[lapis snow]

can't even blame the romanians for this smh

[proud tapir]

i could see to it, i want to end Japan and then figure to help the soviets if i knock out Japan before barbarossa

[desert cedar]

I recommend mass assault. Right for easier fighting and left for less suupply issues.

[proud tapir]

i actualy went for superior firepower because soft attack bonuses are just so nice

It works

[desert cedar]

Well, as long as it works for you.

[proud tapir]

Japanese units cant really defend as easy. I have like 2-3 units stacked on every single port to fend of any naval invasions

[desert cedar]

I can just make recommendations based on what i'm told.

[proud tapir]

Oh alr

[lapis snow]

one of the few use-cases for SFP is actually playing as china because of the awful gun tech making your inf base stats so bad for ages

once you get gun 3 it goes the other way

[proud tapir]

I just hope the soviets are ready for barbarossa because they are currently helping with Japan in the North

[desert cedar]

Yeah, ai japs aren't very smart. Try to encircle them. Or preferrably, take supply hubs that leave them without one until about 6-10 provinces away where possible.

[proud tapir]

Also

does Japan like

have air?

because they are not deploying anything

I have complete air superiority with my limited amount of fighters

[desert cedar]

Barely any, but still often slightly better than chinese.

[lapis snow]

they start with a bit, but tend not to invest in it due to needing navy instead

[proud tapir]

And wow do naval bombers help

[proud tapir]

Ah alr

[lapis snow]

yeah navs are great

navs + subs + late game = lots of sunk ships

[proud tapir]

Kriegsmarine status circa 1943-1944

(they thought they could defeat glorious britania)

[lapis snow]

this was from a soviet disaster save I did where I had to take the Americas to win

[proud tapir]

Oh i love watching bittersteel disaster saves

[desert cedar]

Naval bombers are amazing as long as you fight japan, the US, brits or any other sizable navy. But for a commie china, you'll have to worry a bit more about your southern neighbor. Focus on your army and a small air force.

[heavy vigil]

Just kill them faster so you dont have to overstack supply?

[proud tapir]

Dudes absolutely cracked at the game

[lapis snow]

truth nuke

[proud tapir]

yeah im building an air force

im waiting for my production efficiency to go up on fighters to produce more

[desert cedar]

Keep it small, but quality planes. Stick to Bittersteel stuffs for planes and a few other things.

[proud tapir]

I just wish i had dlcs for aircraft and tank design (no step back and by blood alone)

[heavy vigil]

Like literally no supply issues at all

[proud tapir]

im buying these two next def

Also because ussr and Italy are interesting

[desert cedar]

Ok, nevermind then.

[proud tapir]

Yeah, gotta buy em
But should not take long, ill get either by blood alone or no step back first

which one do you recommend first?

[desert cedar]

Probably BBA personally if you like playing minor nations.

[proud tapir]

Alr, Italy seems interesting

[desert cedar]

If you like the soviets and pain, get NSB.

[proud tapir]

yeah i heard a lot about how soviets are absolutely anything but begginer friendly

are they a difficult major?

[desert cedar]

Depends. Their NSB focus tree can be confusing af for new ppl.

And they also might have trouble holding the germans if you play them incorrectly.

[lapis snow]

Very powerful but easily mismanaged

[proud tapir]

hmm, alr
ill get bba first for aircraft design and fun Italy stuff

and then nsb

[desert cedar]

Indeed.

[proud tapir]

But the german dlc is very tempting because it gives Hungary a new tree

and Hungary base game was fun (i lost, but it was fun)

[lapis snow]

Like, doing disaster saves routinely, most common submissions are from Germany, USSR, Austria-Hungary or tiny minor nations

[proud tapir]

As a new player, Germany isnt too begginer friendly at all compared to what ppl say

Its easy to get overwhelmed

[lapis snow]

it used to be, their update made them much more complex and thus easy to mess up with

[proud tapir]

especaly since your entire historical path is you fighting the allies. Which for a new player who dosent know combat might not go well

[proud tapir]

Also i read up on the mfo bills and the economy of conquest

thats all interesting but not my cup of tea ngl

[lapis snow]

A lot of new players get as far as Belgium and then stall badly because they made a bunch of early mistakes

[proud tapir]

so did i, my troops could not go trough belgium or Netherlands

I think a big part of it was because i stacked one too many divisions

which made them useless

[lapis snow]

classic

[proud tapir]

mhm

[proud tapir]

and absolutely no focus on air

i pretty much expected to win solely with infantry

[lapis snow]

tempting as it is to try and overwhelm them I usually just stick my 12 tanks and a single 24div army on the low countries and that does the trick

railways are often neglected too

[proud tapir]

Oh tanks are wonderful ngl, i was trying to do imperial germany and a big part of what helped me in the civil war was tank divisions that punched through the lines

Altho the war was a slog, i still won. (mind you this was my like 1st major war where i did combat)

Then everything was a disaster when kaiser tried to fight France and the UK (the belgium blunder)

[sharp sierra]

this was kind of hard to do

[flat barn]

agsis wurld domunashun...

[heavy vigil]

Do you have all dlcs?

[proud tapir]

Not all

i have a few

[heavy vigil]

If you do and want an experience of beating up poor nations tactically play like argentina and rush wars

[proud tapir]

but i sadly dont have essential dlcs like bba and nsb

[heavy vigil]

Its rlly fun

[proud tapir]

for tank and air designs

[heavy vigil]

Its fine dw

[proud tapir]

I have man the guns for navy tho

[sharp sierra]

peru

[proud tapir]

i plan to get bba for Italy and air designs first tho

[solemn crown]

hey i need help

someone mind helping me?

[sharp sierra]

o

ok

[fair horizon]

can you delete capital ships to get war goals on other countries?

as britian?

[sharp sierra]

sounds right

[clear dagger]

i completely forgot to do this

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-mandalorian-laugh-cry-gif-21495683

[flat barn]

Noo

[clear dagger]

thats so much army xp gone

[flat barn]

give germany to the urals

maybe they will let you live 🥺

[clear dagger]

no

we will hold the line!

[flat barn]

same

holy cas

i cant afford to be reinforce memed lol

[brittle gazelle]

it is 1941, and the only country that can truly take me on, is waking up

the giant is waking lol

[errant rock]

Good morning. Is there any way to duplicate a mod? This might sound weird, but in future updates, a good mod is going to make an update I don't like, because it's making my hand crash with another good mod. Mods can't be reverted to beta versions, as the game does, but I really want to keep this version. Can someone please enlighten me?

[lapis snow]

sure, find the workshop mod folder in
\steamapps\workshop\content\394360
copy it, create a duplicate in
\Documents\Paradox Interactive\Hearts of Iron IV\mod
edit the name so you know what it is
create a duplicate of the .mod/descriptor file, edit the name of this as well, edit the contents of it to direct to the folder path of the duplicate mod folder. Boom, you now have a local version of the mod that should show in the launcher

[hushed chasm]

It's only 109 military xp anyways

[fallow grove]

What is that sweedish battlevan unit?

[urban ivy]

are u seriously unable to push

[flat barn]

nah i pushed now

if i attacked i would die cuz i had 1 org

they are reinforcements

i held until they exhausted

[urban ivy]

i was about to mention that they re holding behind river

[flat barn]

then countered and paratrooped in central england

[urban ivy]

u could have let them take 1 province

in the left

and u could have attacked it from 2 provinces

without river penalty and then pin reinforicng divisions and make a breakthrough

[urban ivy]

omg u form reichkomissariats

🤢

[scenic moon]

?

[fallow grove]

I wonder why in this game Hitler is the star of the game and without him Germany is just boring to play

[urban ivy]

cause u dont know how to have fun

clash of the giants ussr vs usa

[rustic furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809452900757012510/1403121394597888184/tia_wut_crop.gif

[brittle gazelle]

and they joined the war

great

[primal timber]

i don't remember this part of the doctrine tree

[dusk heart]

I love hoi4 this is amazing

[primal timber]

the french army is

amassing at my border

[dusk heart]

French are weak

[dusk heart]

Welll

[fallow grove]

Nice

[dusk heart]

Thx

[dusk heart]

They are in fact still French

Which means

[vagrant torrent]

france isnt mentioned in the bible we have to nuke it

[dusk heart]

They will end up surrendering

[dusk heart]

Agreed

[fallow grove]

I wonder if the ai is smart enough to replace lost divisions

[dusk heart]

We need a biblically accurate nuke

[primal timber]

uh oh

they're in my faction

[vagrant torrent]

so silly

[dusk heart]

That’s Ggs?

[vagrant torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2engineer-imposter-it-could-be-you-meme-tf2spy-gif-23428001

[primal timber]

and austria decides to declare war on me

[dusk heart]

His twin brother

[rotund cobalt]

vanilla sometimes just love to throw bullshit at the player

[vagrant torrent]

what abt strawberry

[dusk heart]

Beat the shit out of Austria

They deserve it

[primal timber]

thats dealt with

now for uncle stalin

praying japan can declare war on the sovietrs in time

[hybrid solstice]

hiii guys

how do i integrate all my puppets as habsburg austria?

not neccesarilly to form austria-hungary

i bet i butchered neccesarilly

[primal timber]

there should be a focus at the bottom of the tree to annex all your puppets vassals

[hybrid solstice]

but which one? do u know?

[idle basin]

Bro i cant play vanilla at all it keeps crashing

[primal timber]

if you go past

i think the focus for the imperial diet or absolutism there should be a focus to

[hybrid solstice]

eeeeee

[primal timber]

annex your czech vassal or annex both that and hungary

[hybrid solstice]

oke

[icy crescent]

Otherwise try the search bar and use keywords like "annex" or "vassals" or sth.

[sudden grotto]

So you telling me 💔 operation citadel ( german offensive on kursk ) was mostly a Hitler planned Attack? Even Heinz guderian was heavily against it

[primal timber]

gonna have to start a new save

[primal timber]

you see theres a reason the red army had to pull stalin back out of commanding the army

[sudden grotto]

Eu4 mentioned?

[sudden grotto]

Tho Stalin listened to his generals in taht moment

There was even a quote from zhukov lol

Von kluge said It wss best to strike earlier as possible, ehich Hitler refused and post poned the Plan for weeks and weeks

And It ended in soviet entchnment

Another common L for hitler

[primal timber]

gonna play rt56 again

japan or china

[crude dragon]

to puppet or to liberate?

i have defeated all majors of allies, spain, usa, uk and france

as ussr

[sudden grotto]

There Is no such thing as liberate.

"democratic elections" in the Stalin way

[reef spear]

i need help : )

[lofty widget]

South America needs therapy

[golden stag]

What's the meta for an inf/art attacking template?

[pearl shuttle]

Guys i need help ASAP

Which one?

[golden stag]

Machiavellian says 9/4

[rustic furnace]

2nd one

[golden stag]

The right one obvs

[pearl shuttle]

Thx

[atomic spoke]

Guys i need a good Czechoslovakia tank division template

What should i add

[crude dragon]

insert oversimplified joke

[snow rain]

dlc or no dlc ?

[atomic spoke]

I think i have only man the guns and alied speches/armor

Yes

Only these

[snow rain]

then this but with support arty instead of support AT and with light tanks instead of mediums (since you get 25% cost reduction on light tanks through focuses)

[golden stag]

I think MTG's the one that changes it, no?

[snow rain]

no, tank designer is from no step back
mtg adds naval designer

[golden stag]

Field hospital in a tank div </3

[golden stag]

Right

[atomic spoke]

Thx

[snow rain]

what?

[atomic spoke]

It's 1938 now ill have enough time i hope to defend from germnay

[snow rain]

hospital = more HP = less losses + you gain xp on the div = more stats

[golden stag]

You have 63.1 armour what u taking losses for

[snow rain]

btw, use cavalry until you get mechanized

[snow rain]

you'll take some and HP also counts in equipment losses, not only manpower

[golden stag]

You have the shovel tho

[pearl shuttle]

Well. Lets do this or what the duck

[snow rain]

even then, there's no other company to add that's worth something without DLC

[snow rain]

what?

[golden stag]

Oh wait nevermind do I mean the spanner

I mean the spanner

[snow rain]

spanner?

[golden stag]

I forgor its name

[golden stag]

Third Reich in NATO

[hushed chasm]

Maintenance

[golden stag]

Insert fascism joke here

[snow rain]

maintenance is purely useless

[pearl shuttle]

Nah usa kicked me

😅

[snow rain]

even more when no dlc

[golden stag]

Nice

That means you can start doing your own thing

[pearl shuttle]

Ofc

My very beggining goal

[snow rain]

because the equipment recovery is ass until you get the latest techs (at which point you don't care) and reliability is a fake stat : just don't drive in mountains and marshes
also, the reli buff isn't flat. When you get +10% on 60% base, you only gain 6% intead of 10 which is usually what people think they'll get

[golden stag]

Invading Poland?

[pearl shuttle]

Ya

[golden stag]

Based

[pearl shuttle]

Ik😔

[golden stag]

I wonder if you can form Monarchist EU in MD

[pearl shuttle]

This isnt MD

[pearl shuttle]

Its novum vexillium

[lapis snow]

there isn't, because line arty sucks

attacking inf are either mass mob bricks or special forces

[hushed chasm]

1942 infantry equipment has an insane 12 soft attack, with mass mobilization they have almost the same soft attack per width as artillery

[flat barn]

who do i play

im thinking ussr

but

[rustic furnace]

Albania

[flat barn]

how do i make it more interesting

[rustic furnace]

Now

[flat barn]

path?

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/albania-heart-locket-love-gif-10159499668458955942

[rustic furnace]

Albania

[flat barn]

who does albania hate?

[rustic furnace]

Albania has no focus tree

You dont play albania for fun you play albania for albania

[slim nexus]

albania world conquer

[flat barn]

The generic focus tree is one of the best

[limber jackal]

is there a way to see how many casualties you've inflicted without hovering painfully on every country one by one

[flat barn]

I remember that time where i got nukes as albani

albania

im not kidding

Me and my friend played macedonia and Albania

[limber jackal]

i've never gotten nukes 🥀

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/twilight-sparkle-sad-mlp-sad-mlp-sobrepensando-yangnejitos-twilight-sparkle-gif-15168413280482682906

[slim nexus]

nukes are fun

[limber jackal]

good job us and uk keep feeding my empire cuz yall promised to give me turkey

appreciated

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/twilight-sparkle-twilight-truth-nuke-nuke-truth-gif-12922835219228423391

[flat barn]

here that game was

its corrupted now

but we got nukes

[slim nexus]

bruh

[limber jackal]

how did germany win lol

[flat barn]

cuz we helped

[limber jackal]

oh

[flat barn]

albania and bulgaria multiplayer

also

we didnt have italy as an ally

so that helped

[slim nexus]

you should conquer the other balkan countries

[limber jackal]

ngl

bulgaria is rlly fun to play

if played correctly

[flat barn]

we did

[limber jackal]

but its hard

[flat barn]

we puppeted them

[limber jackal]

yeah ik

yall said that

[slim nexus]

ah

[limber jackal]

ohhh

mb

[flat barn]

into lovely kisssy smoooochy democracys

with good human rights

[slim nexus]

[limber jackal]

ngl i dont rlly like puppeting if im a minor nation

if im a majjor puppeting is cool

but dont like it if im a minor nation

[flat barn]

same

i get you but

if im a regional power

and in real life the puppet could be realistically maintained

i let it happen

for example

a greater bulgaria having a greek or serbian puppet

only one tho

[limber jackal]

serbian puppet is eeh

50/50

oh wait

greater

yeah thats possible

[flat barn]

usually as germany

i divide europe by

in terms of puppets )

and spheres of influence )

[limber jackal]

bro i suck at barbarossasing so much they look historical 😭

its awful

i can easily beat any other nation

but the sovviet union?

hell no

[slim nexus]

what

ok

[flat barn]

i get it but

just build cas

trust me

[limber jackal]

i do

[flat barn]

build good cas

and build enough of it

[limber jackal]

i cant design cas planes

[flat barn]

and dont battle plan you'll render your army broke and useless

[limber jackal]

no by blood alone

[flat barn]

ohh

[limber jackal]

all i can do is upgrade those stat thingys

which still is pretty decent

[flat barn]

can you send me your file?

[limber jackal]

is it weird i like playing stuff like greece just to watch germany bleed dry out of men from trying to invade me

[flat barn]

i wanna try win whatever barb u were doing

[limber jackal]

oh no im playing greece rn

im just saying in general

[flat barn]

yes

wait are you that guy

who was doing grand battle plan greec

[limber jackal]

yes

same guy

[flat barn]

damn

[limber jackal]

im cooking them

badly

as in

i've done millions of casualties on them

oh hey i got a new tile

im entering bulgaria

finally

[flat barn]

i remember a larpy greece game where i restored greater greece but got killed but held constantinople and southern greece and smyrna

later i would counter attack and liberate my nation

never give up

[flat barn]

sho

show

[limber jackal]

urm

the rest add up to about 200k

from the other nations

so well

not millions

but like

a million and a half

my casualties are 270k

[flat barn]

what about the map

[limber jackal]

well

i'm not winning in territory much but

i would say that it's actually rlly good that i dont hold that much territory

cuz my front gets smaller cuz of that

which is rlly vital

turkey is 98% towards capitulation

W allies

[atomic spoke]

wish me luck

I have lvl 7/3 forts all around the country

Should i let them bleed and then push them or just play defensive

[flat barn]

You'll have to let them bleed for a while

[flat barn]

soviets look like they will die

[atomic spoke]

I trained all my planes and army yo lvl 3 and have atleast 120 planes in ever army i should be okay i hope

[limber jackal]

how so

they're pushing rn

its not even 43 yet

its a month before 43 rn

[flat barn]

oh

i thought germany was pushing them

[slim nexus]

let them bleed and try to encircle the divs in silesia

[limber jackal]

germany is falling bad

sorta

well they're barely pushing

but its 43

[atomic spoke]

In my previous gameplay with hungary the soviets reached berlin in 1944...

[limber jackal]

they should be way further than this

[flat barn]

u wont win the air war so put them on interception so cas is being focused on by ur airforce

[fallow grove]

Italy starts with 11 civs wtf

[atomic spoke]

I put them on air superiority and cas

I have 545 planes in total

[flat barn]

Go for interception

Unless you were building an airforce

im assuming your using your base airforce

[slim nexus]

how many div should i have if i want to attack the usa as mexico?

[flat barn]

48 for the frontline 12-24 for coastal defense imo

[burnt delta]

what do you think about this template

(1939)

[flat barn]

bad

its way too big and the stats dont make up for it

can u show me the tank u made

[burnt delta]

shit I just saw the 50 width LMAO

[lapis snow]

not got the good supports for tanks either

[flat barn]

I like your idea

Speed doesnt really matter

but please

get some better cannons

howitzers

and add one small cannon

Support guns replace with sloped armour

[burnt delta]

oh I unlocked the medium cannons now

[flat barn]

usually i start making tanks in 1940 honestly

so i cant blame you

[burnt delta]

yeah I just wanted to switch to mediums ASAP

what should the optimal speed be

[heavy vigil]

What is this

[burnt delta]

I think 8 km/h is enough

[flat barn]

4.5-5 is fine honestly

but

[burnt delta]

old tank template

new template

[flat barn]

i usually have low reliability so i have to compensate

[flat barn]

pretty good tank imo

[burnt delta]

19 cost sounds ehh

I mean decent

[lapis snow]

expensive because of welded, use armour ticks instead

[heavy vigil]

20 ic on a medium tank

[burnt delta]

maybe?

[heavy vigil]

Use riveted armor first of all

Use 2x heavy machine gun turrets

Ignore the wet ammo

If you want reliability, change suspension/engine

Sloped armor is also kinda pointless

[heavy vigil]

Medium tanks are the cheapest way to field a medium gun

Use them for that

Theyre not gonna have armor value of heavies and will eventually just be pierced, but thats fine

Thats what you make them for

Just to bring breakthrough and attack stats to your divisions

[burnt delta]

ok lemme adjust

looks better

6.5 speed maybe could be better

[flat barn]

pretty good

[heavy vigil]

Still sloped armor and small cannon

[lapis snow]

that's still cavalry speed tbf

[heavy vigil]

Get 2 slots for heavy machine guns

Its the same cost for more soft attack

0.5 ic cheaper actually

[flat barn]

i dont worry about speed for tanks honestly

tanks cant do everything at once

[burnt delta]

I'm going mobile warfare

[flat barn]

tanks are to breakthrough

then use motorised to snake the enemy and cause chaos

[burnt delta]

HMGs are better than small cannons?

[heavy vigil]

Armored car doctrine mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[mild plaza]

And medium cannon. Unless this is for MP but I assume its not

[heavy vigil]

For singleplayer

[heavy vigil]

Thats mc1

[burnt delta]

I'm preparing for second weltkrieg

against germany

[limber jackal]

lol

the allies d dayed in early 1943

[heavy vigil]

Kr? :D

[burnt delta]

kaiserreich yes

[heavy vigil]

I need to learn kaiserreich actually

[burnt delta]

it's so peak

[limber jackal]

i dont like kaiserreich

[flat barn]

they always do

[limber jackal]

too many debuffs in the beginning

[flat barn]

same

[limber jackal]

and it depresses me

[flat barn]

its just boring for me imo

[limber jackal]

so i never play till the end

cuz of that

[heavy vigil]

Theres this like kaiserreich tournament going on rn and its got all these players that have practiced for the past 2 months

And then i joined and i havent played kaiserreich ever before the first match last saturday

[flat barn]

it gives me great war redux vibes

[heavy vigil]

So yk im kinda terrified

But its fine

[burnt delta]

anyways this should be the final template

[hushed shell]

@north hatch i cant conncet

[heavy vigil]

Looks fine

Much cheaper

[burnt delta]

now why the hell was I stressing about the basic template when I'm getting this in 20 days

[heavy vigil]

But tbh

As russia you wanna do air in kr

[burnt delta]

yeah...