ask-for-help-here

[austere roost]

You only need TDs against expert ai mods and mp

[light knoll]

lower hp = more casualties

[cosmic rain]

in the long run possible

[austere roost]

Also please use 36w if you really want to use tanks

[light knoll]

135 hp is really too low to be used

[cosmic rain]

yes, I was hoping the higher attack stats would result in inflicting more HP damage to the enemy. lower HP can theoretically be balanced out by higher attack.

[austere roost]

You don't need much hard attack but if you're so into it then maybe add one light td

No it can't be balanced that way

[cosmic rain]

TD would need tungsten right

[cosmic rain]

perhaps in this particular situation it doesn't, but in theory it should work

[austere roost]

If you use medium cannon

In theory it doesn't work either

You need hardness because your industry can't support high tank losses

So you will be in red for tanks and then get lower stats

[cosmic rain]

plus they have horrible hard attack stats

[austere roost]

Hp is the most important combat stat since it determines your loss

[cosmic rain]

in theory
goes on to explain in practice

mfw

[austere roost]

This is theory wdym

[cosmic rain]

depends on your country

[austere roost]

In practice would be you playing and then realizing it goes as we tell you

[cosmic rain]

so in this particular situation, that may be true, but some high industry nations MAY be able to make it work

[austere roost]

No you wouldn't do that

That's suicide

[wild rune]

is this in reference to the left div?

[austere roost]

120 SPG/TD divisions when on full combat mode at 300hp takes around 80 losses at most on a good day. If you're at 100 hp that's 240 losses per day. Good luck replenishing that.

In MP you will lose 500 TDs a day with your idea

[cosmic rain]

right, losses recieved, in an attrition war it is theoretically possible (though perhaps not in this case as baltic union) to increase your casualties INFLICTED such that higher attack stats trade better than a division with lower attack but higher HP

[cosmic rain]

good thing I'm not playing MP then!

[austere roost]

It doesn't work that way

[wild rune]

I mean everything works in SP

[cosmic rain]

yes

[wild rune]

Like there is no scenario in which you lose in SP

[cosmic rain]

within reason yeah

[austere roost]

You said it would with big industry but it doesn't because the bigger your industry the more equipment you produce which means astronomical losses with your plan

[cosmic rain]

I dont understand

[austere roost]

You don't have to

Just understand that you shouldn't have low hp units using tanks

Use 36w and maybe 38w for you since ussr air will shred you

[cosmic rain]

I'm saying that in regards to manpower exchange, it's a function of attack AND HP, not solely HP

[wild rune]

With a huge industry by losing more equipment you are essentially nerfing your production as despite you making more, you lose more at the same time

[glacial steeple]

true for 1936 guns cuz they suck

divs are too small so will take tons of losses

[wild rune]

Well yeah but with light tanks you won't be able to instaclick

you will receive damage

[austere roost]

And you're wrong

Like just multiply your atk and hp in your two divisions

[glacial steeple]

per hour its solely hp

and per attack taken

you need to crit a lot in order to overcome that

your unit doesnt crit

[austere roost]

Your idea is wrong but even with your own idea your divisions suck

The rule of thumb is atk*hp/ic btw

[cosmic rain]

explain that

[austere roost]

Like just multiply your atk and hp in your two divisions

[cosmic rain]

if you have higher attack you inflict more damage to your opponent's HP

thus

that creates better manpower exchanges for you

[glacial steeple]

true

no

[austere roost]

Like seriously, you should stop arguing

[glacial steeple]

but part of it is true

its because hp isnt linear

if you have more, you take less losses by quite a bit

[austere roost]

You said you want to maximize atk*hp so go do the calculation for your two division designs

[glacial steeple]

i havent played in a while obv but still

hp is pretty important and overlooked

[cosmic rain]

I am no longer arguing that my division is optimal, I dropped that a while ago, I'm not sure why you keep arguing on that

[austere roost]

Your tank division is 16000 and inf division is 21000

[light knoll]

300-350 hp tanks can be better than 500-700 hp infantry yes
but you never use offensive units under 200 hp

[glacial steeple]

whats the challenge this div is trying to beat btw

i might load hoi later to see if i can help

[wild rune]

Soviet Union as Baltic duchy state

[cosmic rain]

soviet and germany at the same time

[austere roost]

Well then what's even the issue here? Just maximize atk*hp/ic

[glacial steeple]

okay

[austere roost]

You clearly get it already

[cosmic rain]

I'm claiming that in an attrition war, the manpower exchange you make against your opponent is a function of attack AS WELL AS HP

not just HP

[glacial steeple]

use some fattt mountaineers with lt recon?

line arty if your other option is 1936 guns

[wild rune]

Is that not what he is saying?

[cosmic rain]

since, higher attack allows you to inflict more HP damage to your opponent per tick

[glacial steeple]

go into 39 and 41 guns

[austere roost]

Yeah and your divisions run flat against that principle

[neat widget]

funnily enough if you try maximizing atk*hp/ic you get that you should use 38 width divisions for infantry, which sounds weird

[cosmic rain]

clearly not

[austere roost]

That was what I was telling you

[wild rune]

Lower HP makes you lose more men too

[cosmic rain]

well aware

[cosmic rain]

again, I dropped the claim that my divisions were good a while ago

[wild rune]

then you lose manpower exchange?

[austere roost]

Because I was telling you that division isn't right enough to do these atk*hp calculations

[glacial steeple]

lets stop arguing

relax

[austere roost]

And you were saying that somehow big industry nations can take lower hp divisions

[neat widget]

what's going on btw

[light knoll]

they are not arguing that

[wild rune]

eugh

[light knoll]

they admitted that their division is not good

[cosmic rain]

assuming your HP is lower yes

[light knoll]

they're not wrong on the principle that lower hp more atk can be worth to some degree

like

tank divisions with 300 hp

instead of inf divisions with 600

[glacial steeple]

600 🤤

[austere roost]

Field hospitals my beloved

[wild rune]

Thats only if the tanks are good

[light knoll]

ofc

[cosmic rain]

so you do agree that manpower exchange IS a function of attack and HP then

[wild rune]

but I see the point

[light knoll]

individual excellence my beloved

[austere roost]

Yeah

[wild rune]

yuh

[glacial steeple]

irregulars

:D

[light knoll]

that too

militia Czechoslovakia

[glacial steeple]

militias 🥀

[cosmic rain]

I like desperate defense, not because it's good but because I just hate going up on conscription levels

[wild rune]

This actually depends on my ic

[austere roost]

And you need to learn that you shouldn't sacrifice your hp just because you have big industry. That just means you'll lose astronomical equipment and manpower

[glacial steeple]

good thing theyre not mutually exclusive then

[cosmic rain]

I acknowledged that probably 20 minutes ago

[austere roost]

You didn't

[cosmic rain]

assault inf + desperate defense

my beloved

[glacial steeple]

weve lost it

IE is by a long shot the most busted inf doctrine

and its not close

situationally some others can be better

[light knoll]

irregulars is the most busted doctrine on any track by far if you have militia

[austere roost]

Replace rocket art with med flame and it would burn everything in its way

[glacial steeple]

.

[cosmic rain]

yeah I said my divisions are probably not optimal and that in this particular situation my infantry would be generally better than my tanks BUT you said that I would lose tanks and thus lose hardness which is why I brought up higher industry nations, if my industry was higher then tank shortages would be less of a concern

[light knoll]

it would do that anyways it was just to funny soft atk maxx

[austere roost]

I thought initiative for militias is nerfed?

[wild rune]

Axis minors going large inf tactics with support eq turned off and the goofy ahh support companies

[light knoll]

yeah i mean stat volume wise

irregulars is crazy

[wild rune]

Different militia doctrine

[wild rune]

it is tho

[light knoll]

irregulars is equivalent of 2 other doctrines combined

[glacial steeple]

irregulars with IE and field hosp thoo

[light knoll]

for militia

[austere roost]

initiative sucks anyway

[glacial steeple]

i need my infinite hp divs as ethiopia

[cosmic rain]

though I think for this estonia (baltic) game my attack and hardness are less relevant due to soviet CAS

[wild rune]

get to 55AA in your divs

[austere roost]

I kept telling you that's not how it works. You build more with bigger industry so your losses quadruple

[light knoll]

1400 hp divisions still take losses unfortunately 💔

[austere roost]

Someone will die from gout

[cosmic rain]

what do you mean "build more"

build more divisions?

[glacial steeple]

try rushing gun ahead of time and making a large 32w ranger div

and like idk 20w or higher for holding

[austere roost]

Yeah have you ever ran 120 SPG or TD divisions?

[cosmic rain]

if I had more industry but the same number of divisions, I mean

[austere roost]

Ic management becomes much harder with more industry

[cosmic rain]

if I have more industry AND manpower then yeah the scaling is irrelevant because losses increase with size as I field a bigger army

[austere roost]

Because if you have 5 mils you're only producing guns

[cosmic rain]

that's obvious

[austere roost]

Not just that

[cosmic rain]

I see

[wild rune]

Mountaineers are still better no?

[austere roost]

You lower hp by adding more tanks in your divisions, so you lose more percentage of tanks with each hp damage and since hp is much lower now you take more percentage of equipment damage per hp loss. That's why it quadruples

[cosmic rain]

who mentioned adding more tank to infantry ratio?

[wild rune]

Its a second order reaction😭

[austere roost]

How else are you getting lower hp and higher atk with the same width?

[cosmic rain]

like, my current tank to infantry ratio (with low HP) would be more bearable at higher industrial might

not that I would add more tanks

[wild rune]

you already said your division was trash why do you keep arguing for it

[cosmic rain]

more bearable not useful

[wild rune]

But why use it in any case?

you already know it is bad

[cosmic rain]

I'm not, I was clarifying what I meant in my earlier statements

I've reloaded an older save and I'm investing in more line AA

[glacial steeple]

ESTONIA

limited manpower, 99% forest

[wild rune]

fair

[glacial steeple]

and no theyre worse if strictly in forest

[wild rune]

👍

[wild rune]

ik

[cosmic rain]

what about the mountains left behind in the aftermath of the finno-korean hyperwar?

[glacial steeple]

in this case, the div cost lies to you as well

because while you do have mil efficieny on your gun line, you wont on your tank line

so every tank costs about 4x the mils compared to full eff

[cosmic rain]

ohhh motor inf has more HP than cavalry inf this might be useful

[glacial steeple]

weve lost the plot

moto doesnt afaik? unless they changed it

mech does

[cosmic rain]

maybe it's my doctrine

or RT56

[glacial steeple]

rt56....

overhaul mod moment

[cosmic rain]

that would do it

I feel like terrain penalties aren't as impactful as they should be

in-lore how exactly does a flame tank help divisions do better at dealing with harsh terrain like rivers?

[austere roost]

They are

[glacial steeple]

i think they just burn forests, rivers, mountains down

[austere roost]

Terrain works multiplicatively not additively

[wild rune]

you throw a fire at the enemy's camp over the river

[glacial steeple]

no its like moses

it evaporates the water

[wild rune]

because trenches taste better than river

[austere roost]

So 100 Atk with 20% country modifier 50% terrain modifier is 180 not 170 atk and -50% terrain modifier is 60 not 70 atk

[wild rune]

casey look at what I posted in sheeps in off-topic

[glacial steeple]

i just woke up

[wild rune]

mb hoi4-memes

not off-topic

[cosmic rain]

yeah I understand

actually all things do

within the same modification group thingy, stats are additive but across categories they multiply

[glacial steeple]

tbh generally i wouldnt recommend road

the balancing in road is done by people who dont really understand the video game meta at all

[wild rune]

it has funny focus trees tho

[glacial steeple]

idk i like the levant content

everything else is kinda mid

[cosmic rain]

and somehow it still doesn't feel AS bad as maybe it should

that's just me though

🤷

[glacial steeple]

yeah

theyve been watering it down since like AAT

[wild rune]

I liked the central america and northern south american content

[cosmic rain]

I kinda like some things like nerfing veterans

[glacial steeple]

tho its OP to have good positive modifiers

[cosmic rain]

+75% is absurd

[glacial steeple]

you can exploit veterans btw

like spawn vetted units

those who know

[cosmic rain]

w

[wild rune]

terrain modifiers apply even if you don't have the equipment to support the support companies

[wild rune]

those who know

[cosmic rain]

applies to many things

like the HP bonus on field hospitals

😭

you can go into the divisional equipment tab and disable field hospital equipment and they still give you HP

[glacial steeple]

hoi4 sp is silly

you can do a lot of silly things and theyll work

[cosmic rain]

absolutely

you can get away with almost anything within reason

[wild rune]

I want to show off a meta mp div if my game would load

[wild rune]

with everything researched so its not truly accurate but

Since Desperate Defense is no longer accessible

Its main perks are its extreme cheapness both manpower and ic wise

[versed rose]

the .17w name but it being 19w is bothering me

[wild rune]

The AA is optional

line AA i mean

but fair

[versed rose]

you kinda need 100 air attack if you cant put planes up

[wild rune]

the line AA is needed but its not

[versed rose]

is it really optional?

[wild rune]

thats what I mean

If there is no air

then its needed

if not then it is not needed

[neat widget]

17w inf and it's 19w

[versed rose]

[neat widget]

also how do you get light tank recon and recon rangers in the same template

[neat widget]

at least it isn't 40w

[versed rose]

no way people still use 40w in 2026

[wild rune]

I pressed research all mb gng

not accurate

[inner sparrow]

double aa and aa support company for a small w inf is insanely mid

[neat widget]

well sometimes people just accidentally hit 40w i spend my time telling them off

[inner sparrow]

also just go siege arty instead of field engi

u can also disable it in eq

[neat widget]

yeah i don't think it is necessary, i guess you get more defense out of it but otherwise not worth it

[wild rune]

who is getting a land warfare facility

[inner sparrow]

its also not feasible to get enough aa without going 30+ on it

[inner sparrow]

most countries

if u can get enough aa for 2 line aa and support u also have enough ic for a lwf

[versed rose]

unless you're some poor ass dog-country with 2 factories, a land warfare facility is probably one of the better investments you can make

flame tank and shhw are in there

[inner sparrow]

^

[neat widget]

yeah you have slightly more than 3 factories on AA for every 4 factories on infantry equipment

[neat widget]

true

[versed rose]

even taking into account singleplayer map-painting with minors, you'll probably want at least flametank at some point

its just so juiced

[neat widget]

true

especially if you're doing special forces

[wild rune]

Do axis minors get them?

main point is that it is a good somewhat ic efficient division

[inner sparrow]

yes

[inner sparrow]

the division isn’t ic efficient at all

[inner sparrow]

is it meant for mp or sp?

[wild rune]

mp line holder

[inner sparrow]

then its an even worse division

only axis country that does small inf would be italy, only axis country that needs aa in their inf is italy aswell. U don’t need it on barb. For allies u also don’t need aa so for who is that div

[vital plinth]

When making destroyers to fill up screens 40-50 destroyers should they be filled with topedos or just cheap ones?

Also isn’t it better to make destroyer spotters instead of crusiers spotters I noticed once my cruisers get spotted by enemy and attack I can’t escape at all and get them destroyed and they ekspensiv to build I feel or am I maybe doing something wrong ?

[inner sparrow]

if u want to make it efficient for mp remove stuff like arty and engi, remove one aa, disable lt in div so u don’t have to produce u can even disable support equipment so u don’t have to produce it aswell, u still get buffs from doc and so on. Only thing u would need to produce is guns and aa

siege arty would be good to add, logi aswell or signals but its we

[hazy quiver]

Is supersonic jet good?

[dusty sandal]

Never make roach DDs, it's just wasting IC

And DDs can't have spotter planes modules so they can't be spotters

[trail lava]

does anyone know how I can fix these borders with my puppet?

[boreal ferry]

just disgusting bro

also i dont think u can unless you do a peace treaty

[trail lava]

fixed it

idk how america got so much land, I literally had 2x the war score and capped japan myself

all their war score came from sinking japanese ships and defending the Philippines

[vital plinth]

OK i see , is there something i can do with my cruisers to evade getting destroyed? I seem to get attacked by strike force and cant escape

Or is it just when strike force intercept I can’t escape regardless of my speed of cruisers

[crisp pendant]

buddy wtf did u do

[trail lava]

reorganized government of china capped and it gave me a few tiles and my puppet a few tiles for some reason

[crisp pendant]

that's weird

[dusty sandal]

don't send out a fleet in hostile waters if you're not ready to fight

[crisp pendant]

i guess u could wait it out and then annex them

[dusty sandal]

or you're dead

[vital plinth]

So it’s bad idea to general have patrols around your sea zones to your border

To inhibit any naval invasion

[dusty sandal]

not if you're ready to gamble it all

[glacial steeple]

just cope and battleplan

[indigo sapphire]

what Ships are good to build?

[storm sable]

My education loan

Help me pay it

[shy schooner]

Is conquering British early as Germany easy? Or do I just conquer netherlands to puppet Indonesia

[crisp mural]

what does early means here,1936,1937 or ?

you can just vps drop britian

[shy schooner]

Late 1936

[dusty sandal]

torp DDs (if DD swarm strategy)
otherwise it's carriers, light cruisers and superheavy battleships

[shy schooner]

Vps?

[crisp mural]

victory points

paradrop them

[shy schooner]

Owh

[crisp mural]

trains a bunch of 2 width paratrooper

[shy schooner]

Well
I don’t have any of Them currently

[crisp mural]

and drop them into vps in britian

[dusty sandal]

early game in hoi 1936-1938
mid game = 1939-1941
late game 1942 and after

[crisp mural]

its gonna be giga hard then

[crisp mural]

getting britian in 1936 and 1937 are 2 completely different story btw

1936 the only way to do it is prob vps dropping

1937 is more manageable if you can land and kill them quick enough with naval invasions

or im just not good enough ig

[spiral delta]

good 1938 medium tank in 1937?

[crisp mural]

if theres any other stuff

[crisp mural]

never use any type of cannons 1

[shy schooner]

I see
Maybe I don’t conquer netherlands first
So world tension is not high enough to get Me in trouble with allies
Prepare to conquer Britain

[crisp mural]

just make do heavy machine guns

then convert them into the good cannons you research later

you can search "tank conversion strat" or stuff like that in youtube

and you will be guided through

[dusty sandal]

what mods

[spiral delta]

only road to 56 and how did u know

[crisp mural]

if its vanilla then just vp drop

its the easiest way

[dusty sandal]

RT56 changes too much

[spiral delta]

switch my canons to howitzer? idk what u mean

[shy schooner]

Okay
Gonna speerun research paratroopers

[crisp mural]

the cheapest cannon to produce

[dusty sandal]

you can't compare a rt56 tank with a vanilla tank as RT56 significantly changes about everything

[crisp mural]

oh idk about rt56 meta

i dont play much

rt56 i just do air + SF

never bothers to touch tanks lol

[dusty sandal]

I'd advise you to ask the same thing on RT56 discord just to be sure

[crisp mural]

yeah

[spiral delta]

they have a dc?

didnt know

[crisp mural]

yes they do

[spiral delta]

ill do that thx

[dusty sandal]

most if not all major mods do

[crisp mural]

im pretty sure in the menu of the game

they have a discord link there ig

[spiral delta]

didnt bother looking just wanted to hop in

[dusty sandal]

the link's on the workshop page but you mayalso find it through discord discovery

[crisp mural]

yeah just go to workshop page

[crisp mural]

just do it with easy to cap nations like UK,Fr*nce,etc

remember to paradrop in ALL of their vps

cuz UK is a bit harder to cap

than france

[shy schooner]

I will do UK first
Need resources

[crisp mural]

small stuff is set a small naval invasion first

so uhh they're busy to garrision their port ig

then just drop

[shy schooner]

Okay

[crisp mural]

do fr*nce first

they're easier to do so

[shy schooner]

But They don’t hav rubber or tungsten

[crisp mural]

you can just trade everything

UK barely have any resources in their mainland beside steel anyway

[shy schooner]

Can’t I like
Puppet British RAJ and etc

They have many puppets

[crisp mural]

and you dont need rubber or tungsten early in the game

its late 1936

you dont have 300 mils in air and tanks yet

btw remember to do collabs on them

so you get the compliance

[shy schooner]

I got 0 dlcs

[crisp mural]

and they're 10% easier to cap

oh

idk jsut try it out ig

eventually you will get it

[shy schooner]

Okay

[indigo sapphire]

alr thx franci

are modern airframes good?

like yk jets?

[left mica]

obviously

unlike tank chasses, later airframes are far better

[shy schooner]

Is researching artillery as germany important?

[twin tangle]

uh

@glacial steeple

[twin tangle]

yes

it also gives you the canons for your tanks

[shy schooner]

Okay

[sage portal]

What is best docrine for naval

[vital plinth]

So it only takes few months to win navy war and then you basically got dominance ?

[dusty sandal]

yeah
you get into a battle, win it or lose it and that's that

[indigo sapphire]

hey how good are Rangers

[vital plinth]

Ah ok I see i thought navy war also could last multiple years

[spring shore]

whats a good paratrooper division?

[orchid roost]

i dont know if i can text this here but when i try to strart hoi4 a bootstrapper error appeares and it says couldnt start launcher

[spring shore]

i think tech support channel could help better

its right under this one

[orchid roost]

ah thanks

[glacial steeple]

hi

[twin tangle]

👋

someone had posted a scam but its deleted now

[sacred arrow]

I am SO cooked

lowk how does one even win this situation?

I still have to sealion britain and manage the eastern front in mid 1940 smh

I thought that if I did the ribbentrop pact USSR would also not attack my lithuanian puppet

[fierce patio]

Italy borders: 7/10

[sacred arrow]

hm wdym?

[worn shard]

what is a tactical bomber

[left mica]

a bomber that is used in tactical missions

[spiral delta]

for my tank is extra 2.7 kmh better or 7.6 more break through

[left mica]

basically smaller bombers that can both do cas and strat bombing

speed sucks just keep speed at around 6kph

[worn shard]

is it heavy or meduim

[trail lava]

how fast is your tank?

[spiral delta]

8.9 kmh

[trail lava]

breakthrough for sure

[spiral delta]

alr thx

57 breakthrough good for 1939 as germany yeah?

[trail lava]

uhhhh I don't know by heart

what does your template look like?

[spiral delta]

im getting flame and engineer tho

[trail lava]

yeah that looks good, hp and org are a bit low though so add some more trucks

[spiral delta]

alr

[trail lava]

get org to around 40 and you shoud be good

[spiral delta]

lemme try

[trail lava]

if you can't get there with trucks remove some tanks

[spiral delta]

i dont wanna raise my combat width to much or 30 is good

[arctic merlin]

Need feedback on my inf template

[trail lava]

if you can't get it to 40 replace some tanks with trucks

[spiral delta]

yeah but will it affect it if i get it to 30 cw

[inner sparrow]

40 is a shit combat width

optimal for tanks is 36

[spiral delta]

hes talking about org

[trail lava]

40 organisation

[inner sparrow]

ahhh

mb then xd

[spiral delta]

mines 24

do i increase

[paper knot]

I tried getting the achievement where i had to puppet ussr as communist mexico with trotsky after like 60 attemps i finnaly did it but i did not get the achievement what did i do wrong

[trail lava]

yes

[arctic merlin]

Isn’t less than 50 org pretty bad?

[spiral delta]

isnt higher combat width bad?

[trail lava]

they don't have the soviet tag, that means the ussr still exists somewhere

[glacial steeple]

thats not the SOV tag

[left mica]

no thats terrible

[paper knot]

Can i still somehow get it

[left mica]

this is terrible

[glacial steeple]

chuckhi peninsula state has real SOV

[glacial steeple]

yeah

[left mica]

you need a lot more mechanised

trucks are bad due to bad terrain stats

if you dont have mech use cavalry

[trail lava]

kill them, and puppet them in the peace conference

[spiral delta]

didnt research mech yet

[inner sparrow]

no

[left mica]

then rush mech and use cav for now

[glacial steeple]

well yes, but you get more other stats

[indigo sapphire]

hey

[glacial steeple]

like hp, attack

[arctic merlin]

Still need feedback on my inf template

[glacial steeple]

dont lie

[inner sparrow]

it isnt bad tho

[left mica]

high cw isnt bad

[glacial steeple]

lower width always better

[inner sparrow]

no

[glacial steeple]

my 0 width 1K attack units will beat your 100 width 1K attack units

lower width is better

[inner sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269411863066710042/1352619279404630036/attachment-32.gif

[left mica]

bros template really said
x x x .
x x x .
x x x

[glacial steeple]

theres other stats to look at

[trail lava]

20 2 width units will not beat a 40 width division

[spiral delta]

is 9 tanks 3 mech good?

[arctic merlin]

Yes?

[left mica]

9 tanks 9 mech

and make medium or heavy spgs instead of normal ones

[inner sparrow]

is that 9 inf and 2 arty?

[spiral delta]

jeez bro i aint that rich

[arctic merlin]

Yes

[left mica]

nah thats 9 arty 2 inf

[inner sparrow]

remove the arty and ur fine

[left mica]

it is what it is

but yeah its always 9 tanks 9 mechs

[arctic merlin]

So no line arty?

[inner sparrow]

yes

[left mica]

36w is king

line arty is trash

[spiral delta]

so no tanks just spgs?

[arctic merlin]

But keep the support?

[left mica]

id sprinkle in a single heavy tank destroyer for the love of the game

[inner sparrow]

yeah the support is good

[left mica]

this template is meta fr

there should be a mod where all battalion types are removed except (rocket) artillery

[spiral delta]

i made a new one for attack good?

[left mica]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-agree-agreement-affirmative-yes-gif-2872428400733497437

[trail lava]

what am I looking at XD

[spiral delta]

new meta idk whats the xd for

[glacial steeple]

depends on whats in them stat wise

the width isnt relevant to combat attack, hp, org, youre just associating it with things

[left mica]

20 coughing babies vs 1 hydrogen bomb

[glacial steeple]

which is why its confusing to new players

[trail lava]

width and the other stats are correlated

you cannot deny that

[glacial steeple]

nope, width is used

its not like artillery magically gets more stats for being higher width

[tender tartan]

i need some help with defending against the germans playing as hungary, does this division work in defence

[trail lava]

infantry, tanks, cavalry. All of them get better if you add more

@glacial steeple so you're telling me 20 of the ones with 1 infantry will beat the biggest division you can make? both of them have the same amount of equipment

[glacial steeple]

no, again, this is different

youre associating stats

the left template would lose, not because of width, but because it lacks attack and HP

if those 2 units were the exact same, with only width as difference

its worse to have higher width

[trail lava]

exactly, and to improve the hp, width and attack, you have to add more battalions which will inadvertently add more combat width. I'm saying combat isn't inherently good or bad. It's a side effect of making a division stronger.

[bronze grove]

This channel is just bait

[glacial steeple]

no, like making them larger is good

i agree

but width isnt the relevant term to use when talking about adding hp and attack

and the point of this channel is to help new players understand these differences

or else theyll make some like 75 width artillery only template thinking its good

[trail lava]

I don't think I ever said that width was relevant to hp and attack, I said they were correlated

[glacial steeple]

they can be

[spiral delta]

is this a good spgs

[left mica]

switch back to riveted armour, replace hmg with easy maintenance, and max armour ticks for more breakthrough. keep speed at 6kph

[sacred arrow]

guys quck question, how can I handle britain and eastern front in 1940 😫

[left mica]

restart

[trail lava]

luckily I didn't misinform anyone by saying that, that would've been unfortunate

[sacred arrow]

nah I'm different

[spiral delta]

riveted armor worse tho

[left mica]

against the ai who doesnt even use tanks?

just have cheap tanks instead

welded armour adds a ton of ic

[spiral delta]

ic?

[left mica]

so its generally not worth it unless you have 2 thousand mils

this is ic

industrial capacity but everyone just calls it ic

[spiral delta]

how do ik my ic

[left mica]

your tank is worth 17.45ic

riveted armour subtracts 20% of your ic value

so you'd have like 12ic tanks instead

[spiral delta]

ye but how do i check how much ic i have or u cant

[left mica]

ic means production cost...........

everyone just calls it ic instead of pc

[paper knot]

tysm bro

[trail lava]

Np

[spiral delta]

good? dont mind the motorized imma change it

[left mica]

at least do 9 trucks bro

plus u better off with 9 cavs

[spiral delta]

but the cw

[left mica]

oof

how the hell are the spgs 3cw?

are you playing on an older version

[spiral delta]

just reminded me

im playing road to 56

[left mica]

rip

just keep cw at 36-40

you need org to be above 30 at least

hp can be 250+

[subtle socket]

aa is very important as a minor vs major

[tender tartan]

omg i forgot to add them that's a big mistake on my part

[tender tartan]

is line artillery worth to add or is it too expensive/not impactful

[subtle socket]

line arty is garbage

the math has been done by bigger nerds u can imagine

but the easiest way to explain it other than hp and combat width being garbage its army composition

[glacial steeple]

the only reason im even upset is to stop spread of mostly non-intended misinformation

which has been a trend in this channel in the past too

[subtle socket]

u have to add a ridicilious amount of arty to ur template to make the composition anything worth relevant to "arty buffs"

when infantry buffs are extremely common and stack far higher than arty ones

[glacial steeple]

stacks on AT and AA too

cuz theyre not artillery

[subtle socket]

at counts as infantry btw

idk about aa

the composition counts it as inf

[trail lava]

I completely agree

[subtle socket]

so when u have a mounty vs arty

its like infantry guy in high command

commando high

special force buffs

all infantry doctrines

and its less than 2 combt width vs 3 combat width arty

that has little to no bonuses

[trail lava]

I’ve never ever used line artillery, I don’t know why I’m being told it sucks

[subtle socket]

idk maybe i misread the convo my b

[tender tartan]

when i played with hungary against germany they just slowly pushed my units until they broke through completely, what can i do against them, one of the german units was basically like 3-4 of mine

[left mica]

good for you

[indigo sapphire]

should i sell gib licenses and lend lease support to Allies as USA

[twin tangle]

nah screw them

unless u have tons of extra equipment you have no use for

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[sacred arrow]

Should I go for stalingrad or go around it directly to the Caucasus when doing barbarossa? Cuz I don't have any collab on the USSR I have to go to Kazan

[vital plinth]

Would be maybe a smart move to convert my light tanks to anti air tanks as France ? When fighting Germany in 1938 ?

[austere roost]

It sucks. Use this

[austere roost]

You need the supply hub in stalingrad

[sacred arrow]

hm well I took it

also

why tf is there no supply north of kazan

my tanks are glorified steel huts cuz ion even have fuel anymore lmfao

[dusty sandal]

follow the supply hubs
don't attack without fuel (-95% stats)

[sacred arrow]

Yeah i'm trying

but past some point there just is n't

[dusty sandal]

a good tip is not to lose your time going around in wastelands

[shy schooner]

I’m at feb 1937
Do I take Himmler for more special forces

[fair hare]

no

you first get todt

and after that u go hess

[shy schooner]

Alr got Him

I got todt and goebbels

[fair hare]

its fine but hess should be second

and once u get decision

switch todt to the rightmost industry guy

forgot his name

[shy schooner]

Okay
Gonna get Him now

[shy schooner]

Uhhh
Gorring

[fair hare]

ye

[shy schooner]

How do I kick My inner circle? I now got both todt and gorring because I got the 4yp too late

[fair hare]

u need to choose a 4th guy and then u get decision to replace ppl

and u choose todt

[shy schooner]

But uhh
By the time I can choose again
I think todt would have finished His 3rd focus

[half belfry]

how do i land on multiple places at once?

[shy schooner]

And gorring can’t progress

[fair hare]

for sure not

it could be restart worthy

[fair hare]

u need multiple orders

[shy schooner]

So if todt is kicked His focus will gone?

[fair hare]

yes

[shy schooner]

That’s nice
Thanks

[fair hare]

he will stop working on 3rd focus

[half belfry]

i keep getting stuck here

[spring locust]

Defend like ur life depends

And don't forget garisson

[fair hare]

ur getting convoy raided

0 supply

[cosmic rain]

Your divisions can't receive reinforcements because the seazones connecting to the ports on the UK are all being raided

[half belfry]

how do i fix it? i do not have the navy to fight the brits

[fair hare]

either make naval bombers or pull out

[half belfry]

naval bomber it is

[half belfry]

thanks it worked

[fair hare]

hell yeah

[spring shore]

is it (still) worth rushing to kill the dutch as germany?

[scenic nacelle]

Always has been a decent Strat

[tired moon]

bro how do I naval invade britain

they destroy my ships

no matter what i do

[tired surge]

genuinely what the hell is going on

[worn shard]

Whats the best strat bomber design

[spring shore]

what year?

[worn shard]

Im usa so 1941

[dusty sandal]

you need range, air defense and only afterwards, bombing stats
also you don't want that bomber to exceed 100 IC except if it means more air defense

[unreal sapphire]

Is AT worth producing for Special Forces?

[dusty sandal]

in singleplayer AT is completely useless

[unreal sapphire]

What if I have the Expert AI thing

Where they actually field good tanks

[dusty sandal]

then it's good to have it, but it depends on the front you're fighting in

no need for AT in Asia

[unreal sapphire]

Yeah because even when the vanilla AI fields mediums they are easy to pen

Like if you tag an AI nation the designs are utter shit

[fair hare]

in vanilla AI tanks dont rly exist

[unreal sapphire]

You can usually spot a few mediums and lights

[fair hare]

i mean dont rly exist as in inf is better than those tanks lol

[ocean knot]

Is offensive inf just a block of 32w infantry? I'm playing portugal and I can't really afford special forces or tanks

Or an airforce for that matter

[unreal sapphire]

Idk what the meta is but light tanks usually work for me if I'm a minor power

And Mountaineers shouldn't be too hard to acquire based off experience

[ocean knot]

Fair

What template do you use for light tanks?

[fair hare]

16 width

or 36 width

and line arty is still trash

[ocean knot]

Kay thanks

[unreal sapphire]

is 6/1 still not good?

Like 21w

[fair hare]

nonono

16w inf spam is meta now

also 21w would be 9/1

and its old now

sadly doesnt work well anymore

[unreal sapphire]

With Engineer, Artillery, and AA support?

[fair hare]

AA is optional

[versed rose]

More like engineer is optional

More optional than aa

[hazy quiver]

for the naval player that know carrier if i have like 500 naval bomber/naval fighter in my stockpile do i need to keep them in the stockpile and wait for carrier to take them? or i can just use them as normal normal fighter and bomber until my carrier need plane so its will take it from the group on the ground attack for itself? or its completly diffrent place to put them so the carrier will take them?

[neat widget]

engineer is optional

[fair hare]

i feel like against ai its aa

[neat widget]

engineer is sort of pointless

[fathom thistle]

AA is must if you don't have air

[fair hare]

ig

[neat widget]

unless you're doing a naval invasion

[fathom thistle]

Simple as that

[unreal sapphire]

Well isn't AA good at least if you don't expect air supremacy

[glacial steeple]

🥀

[glacial steeple]

light tanks are like usually bad but

[drowsy hazel]

wtf is this

[glacial steeple]

light tank template as asked

[unreal sapphire]

What about just adding tanks to infantry or special forces

[fair hare]

its meta ep tank

[fair hare]

its a joke

[unreal sapphire]

I guess there will be no British or French emulation then...

[glacial steeple]

i like this

[fair hare]

lol

[glacial steeple]

gotta answer no matter what they ask for

[fair hare]

so sad that hhc got bombed

[glacial steeple]

its a skill youre gonna have to learn fr

[glacial steeple]

it was dying post-jon

[unreal sapphire]

Like I was thinking if I could do what the British actually did

Like cruiser vs infantry tanks

But I guess it's not meta...

[fair hare]

it is

actually

just not in this way

in singleplayer

anti infantry tanks are rly rly good

[glacial steeple]

it is

its very powerful especially on special forces

you add breakthrough+piercing stats to infantry

makes them very busted

[unreal sapphire]

But not in the way that the British actually did it

But I guess you don't have to always play meta

Like use what's fun and still works

[glacial steeple]

play however you want

[paper knot]

Could anyone suggest me what achievment i could get next i have 300h and i just did the achievment,,the new home of revolution”

[fathom thistle]

Greater hunger if you don't have it yet

[strange badger]

Why don't many of my divs use strategic deployment? Ctrl+B only work for some divs.

[half belfry]

what is the best inf template?

for early game

[tight tangle]

🤔

Is it good to fill in the gaps of lacking inf equipment with rifles from the international market as KMT China with NCNS DLC?

[glacial steeple]

id say the market never pays off

[tight tangle]

Why is that?

[glacial steeple]

and you should mostly focus on making artillery support as it gives more attack stats

the guns are not saveable, and guns until the 1939 gun are kinda bad stats anywayt

tho ofc you should make them, just not all your factories

[glacial steeple]

you lose your construction and scaling

[tight tangle]

What about the very slow production of guns to fill the gap?

Wouldnt my divisions have very low str due to the lack of guns

[glacial steeple]

thats why you make arty for support

but your stats are terrible anyway

artillery for china gives more attack/industry

you just need guns for your units to stay alive

[unreal sapphire]

I heard the 1940 medium tank isn't worth it and you should just upgrade your 1938 ones

[tight tangle]

Understandable,

So what about these then? I get extra EC out of it, surely it could be utilized?

[clever mango]

how do i apply this effect in game using a command, not an existing event?

its from tno

[glacial steeple]

you want gun production bonuses, and army bonuses, and mil spawn ins

everything else is like irrelevant

[clever mango]

im trying to achieve this by trying this command but it doesnt work

what to do

[glacial steeple]

#modding is your friend

[tight tangle]

Oh okay

[fair hare]

simple 16 widths

[fair hare]

yes

it doesnt give good enough bonuses

[glacial steeple]

when i play i use interwar :3

unless its heavy or light, light depends on what i start with

[unreal sapphire]

what nations make medium interwar tanks worth it

[glacial steeple]

wdym

you just retain your efficiency on them

[errant chasm]

so it's late game and i have a large industry, is medium SPGs or Heavy Spgs better. I know people use Heavy tanks for TDs not sure if it applies to heavy SPGs also since I have the heavy howi now.

[fair hare]

heavy spg is better lategame

3 hmg

and also heavy howi

[half belfry]

how would that look like?

[fair hare]

8 infantry battallion with support arty and engineers

[subtle socket]

for sp u dont need heavy spg

u dont even need it for mp tbh

giga overkill

[austere roost]

you definitely should not build spgs in mp

[austere roost]

mediums

[glacial steeple]

france vs italy or france vs belgium maybe you could (ahist)

[sacred ginkgo]

Does anyone know, if i accept to be a ussr puppet as iran, do i switch to the communist tree?

[glacial steeple]

or any soft enemy really

[subtle socket]

??

[errant chasm]

why?

[subtle socket]

ur smokin bro

spgs are needed in mp

[errant chasm]

they can be useful for dday as germany

[austere roost]

Because heavy spgs cost twice and have more attack debuffs

[unreal sapphire]

If I want task forces should I just use the auto balance button

For navy

[subtle socket]

death stack navy minus sub

[subtle socket]

how do u break the 50 inf stack under red air cas and shore on egypt

[austere roost]

get green air first

and then if the other side is doing inf bricks then you can use spgs but even then good luck with supply in egypt

you can just use specials instead

[subtle socket]

thats not how it works in mp...

u build supply for the spgs and ur never getting green air on egypt y dont have airport space

in mp air zones are either allied owned or axis owned due to airport size

egypt is the most allied favored airzone

even more than france

[hazy quiver]

How do I put plane on aircraft carrier? And how its work

[tawdry lava]

which one should i get

[fair hare]

depends

if u wanna do tanks do right

if u wanna do inf do left

[tawdry lava]

mm im doing spacemarine soo...

infantry?

[fair hare]

yes

[tender tartan]

why are my cavalry so ass. I am playing as Hungary and I have bonuses for cavalry

[red mesa]

Cav is ass in general

Doesn’t help that germany is sending a bigger division with a better general

[errant chasm]

Debuffs really make a difference in soft attack. As for production, I have a surplus in mils so that isn't an issue.

[tender tartan]

so even in a larp sense i shouldnt use cavalry. I thought it would be atleast usable since hungary has like 4 focuses that improve cavalry

[keen hemlock]

I’ve seen people do it before

And send to minors for micro

[red mesa]

I mean if you insist on it you can try to go for the most cav friendly doctrines and such, but at that point you might as well go for mech

[tender tartan]

hmm i will try to drag the war so i can make my divs bigger and let the germans grind themselves against my lines.

[red mesa]

Looking at your current template it needs something to help with the terrain debuffs and it looks like your gun tech is behind

Your soft attack is super low

[tender tartan]

how could i ix that

[austere roost]

if you want to stick with cavs you'll just need to use supports

otherwise you can just make a 10 cav 8 spg unit

[half glade]

is this easy?

[tender tartan]

what what is spg, selff propelled gun?

[thorn crow]

is it possible to autoassign ships

[shy schooner]

How to get breakthrough points?

[thorn crow]

what the hell is that

never in my 500 hours of playtime have i ever heard of breaktrough point

[thorn crow]

ohhh

its this

u need to do research that gives nuclear breaktrough

[shy schooner]

I see

[thorn crow]

it has to say this

for example atomic research

[thorn crow]

what country u playing

[merry sedge]

How do I win against the english after succesfully naval invading them??

[thorn crow]

try to blitz trough into london and encircle cardiff and wales

plymouth is an early goal

use it to bring over divisions

[thorn crow]

try using armored marines for that

[merry sedge]

it just seems like they pull divisions out of nothing

[thorn crow]

they dont have anti tanks

[thorn crow]

then take their ports firs

they use them to bring units from their colonies

[merry sedge]

yeah gonna try that thx

[thorn crow]

really rarely

[thorn crow]

np

[shy schooner]

Italy
I got bored
I let Etiophia won on purpose
War with allies + German Reich
Lose on purpose
Become democratic then communist
Non agg pact with Reich
Join allies
Send helps to Reich
Japan and Reich lost
Then I got many states by doing nothing lol

[thorn crow]

zamn

lore accurate mussolini

i have a shit ton of infantry eq that i dont know what to use for

[shy schooner]

My friend said it’s good to stock many equipments
So if You lose some
They are always there to replace

[thorn crow]

yes but i have way too much in production and in land

[shy schooner]

I got 100K+ when was playing German Reich

[thorn crow]

checking out the new heavy cruiser meta rumors

[fair hare]

yes but u dont want to have too big stockpiles

like 20k should be max

[shy schooner]

I see

Btw do You guys have tips on creating many divs?

I keep seeing people on yt got many divs

And They are strong ones

[subtle socket]

💀

ur 3+ years late to heavy cruiser meta they are garbo now

[thorn crow]

there are people saying its revived or sm

yk sometimes ur too bored to care

[subtle socket]

theres no recent buffs to then but hey u can build anything and beat ai

so whatever floats your boat literally

[rapid urchin]

is this a fairly good descision to click as japan?

or should i save my pp for something else

[wintry slate]

Hi everyone,
i started playing recently and now i need help to assign ~140 Russian divisions to different armies in order to create a balanced armies and assign exercise orders
is there a smart way of distributing the whole army divisions to multiple armies instead of select one by one?
thanks in advance

[grand iris]

you can select all the unassigned divisions

and then its bit easier to distribute into smaller armies

[cosmic rain]

What do yall think about picking assault infantry doctrine and then adding flame tank support company for the infantry battalion attack bonuses but disabling its equipment so it doesn't cost any IC. Is this free stats?

[tight tangle]

The sudden urge to impulse buy

[frosty nymph]

Ugh... is the jet engine really that bad? I just got it, found that there are no upgrades in the tech tree (not even in Road to 56), and that 35% reduction in range is crushing. The only aircraft it might work on is my small airframe fighter, because they're really short range anyway.

Oh wait... It's all special projects?

[silk berry]

Would anyone know a good way to release urself as scotland and kill the uk

[ivory wraith]

do we know if escort carriers count towards that like limit of carriers per fleet?

[dark thistle]

whats a good medium tank designer?

for early game

[subtle socket]

people do this alr u can do it with heavy howi too the italian support company and light recon for deep battle that is the current italy meta in mp

called empty mob lol

[tight tangle]

Is armored cars worth fielding or no?

[wind canyon]

not really i have seen them used in garison templates

but i just use cav with mps and call it a day

[tight tangle]

Oh.

I was intendinf to use them for frontline use

[sand ember]

use infantry tank designer if you have it

[wind canyon]

i would recommend just use mechanized inf at that point

[dark thistle]

ok thx

[wind canyon]

or if your want a budget offensive unit morized divsions are pretty good agains the ai

[tight tangle]

Im playing as kmt china and needed more soft attack

So yeah

[wind canyon]

ah right

i suppose motorized inf would be the best, altho the rough terian may limit it's effectiveness

[wind canyon]

imo jets are, okay the reduction in range isn't a huge deal, just as long as it can cover the air zone its in so i would only rlly use them in europe where the air zones are small and plenty of suply

otherwise if im fighting in say africa, deepr into russia or china stick to props

[tight tangle]

I combined mot inf and armored cars

The template is kinda butchered rn

[wind canyon]

no brotha don't do that

armored cars are slower then motorized meaning they drag down the overall speed

[wind canyon]

so using them together as you say butchers the template

[tight tangle]

Oh

[wind canyon]

dw man its a learning experince

[subtle socket]

mo

[hidden raptor]

Can sometime tell me if this is real because I feel like this exists, but when playing historical germany when you do the focus reclaim the colonies before the mittelafrika focus. Isn't it if Britan is also in the axis with you, you can demand return of the colonies? Or am I just getting that confused with the alt germany path with conceding to british naval superiority

[tight tangle]

Alright then

I guess if your curious as how to I even butchered it, here

[wind canyon]

jesus christ

[tight tangle]

Did I gave you a heart attack

[wind canyon]

yes

okay so

is this supposed to be a offensive or defensive infantry template?

[tight tangle]

offensive since human wave with line arty wasnt cutitng it

[hidden raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-scared-speed-ishowspeed-speed-scared-looking-around-hands-over-mouth-gif-5483810887773069024

[wind canyon]

right so

[wind canyon]

yeah nah had same reaction lol

[hidden raptor]

The biggest tip right now never use armored cars

[wind canyon]

if i recall correctly 36 width is good for offensive builds

so take out the motoized and armored car

and beef up the infantry, i believe it was 12 infantry battalions and 2 line arty?

just make a template that will be 36 witdth

and that should be a decent budget inf offensive build

oh and add some enginiers if you have enough suport euipment

[tight tangle]

oh, uh, no

I dont even have support equipment

but I do have the guns and the guys

[wind canyon]

best make some soon then

[tight tangle]

36 width, gotcha

[wind canyon]

yeah

consider making moutiniers as well since fighting in the nothern region of china is rough

with all those moutians

[tight tangle]

Got it

[hidden raptor]

I would even say you only need one line Artillery early gam?Because if you put two, you're dropping down your org

[tight tangle]

Come to think of it this is literally lorea ccurate China

[hidden raptor]

If your in a desperate defnese situation tho then 2 line early game is okay

[wind canyon]

ah right cause you haven't reached the doctrines

that give more org at that point yeah?

[hidden raptor]

Yea

[tight tangle]

Ok

[hidden raptor]

Depends which Artillery doctrine ur doing ofc

[tight tangle]

I dont know why they have even bothered to add this

The reason Im even using it because I cannot afford light tanks

[wind canyon]

a niecie gimic

[hidden raptor]

Everyone can afford light tanks js gotta make them cheap

[wind canyon]

yeah light tanks are quite afordable

if designed properly

[hidden raptor]

I like to do basic radio, 2 man or 3 man turret improved small gun and christine suspension with 5 engine 2 armor

Costs like 6.5 production and like 5 factories will make you divisions worth

[tight tangle]

Got it

Damn it, really disappointed I cannot utilize armored cars, out of everything

oh welp, gonna get started on the light tank chassis

[hidden raptor]

Biggest tips with tanks is keep an eye out on your reliability because anything lower then 70 and your basically wasting them

You can improve the reliability with additional armaments but those cost more to the tank ofc

[wind canyon]

yeah if you can research 1939 mainitance companies easy matiennce is a good upgrade if your planing to add more stuff to the tank

[hidden raptor]

Definently lifesaver mid game

[tight tangle]

got it

[hidden raptor]

Okay but can some tell me if this is real or not because I feel crazy

[cosmic rain]

nice

[sick thicket]

Hii

I'm new to the game

I pretty overwhelmed by everything

💀

I was looking for help

[shy schooner]

How to nuke?

[wind canyon]

thats pretty real man feel free to ask either me or here for any questions you may have about something specific

for a more generalized guide about the game

[hoary glen]

You can check the Pins for some Guides etc that should help.

[wind canyon]

i suggest you watch the official hoi4 beginiers guide

[wind canyon]

first you need strat bombers

so research a large air frame and get them into production

then bottom right of your screen there will a raids symbol chose the nucular option

[shy schooner]

Do I need to get Them in range with target

Or any works

[wind canyon]

then pick a city

[wind canyon]

it will let you pick the nearest air base that is in range

all you need to do is deploy them

[shy schooner]

Okay

[honest nexus]

anybody have any advice for the united netherlands achievment?

[neat widget]

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/United_Netherlands_(achievement) it's literally just a focus tree

and then you build inf

[honest nexus]

oh... I was trying to axis kill them before germany did

it said conquer, im an idiot

[runic escarp]

does anyone know any good tutorial in 2026 for hoi4? i just got the game with all the dlc bc i really liked it but now i gotta learn how to play it

[prisma hill]

what is state attrition?

[thin nebula]

I learned most of my stuff from playing personally but i also know bittersteel makes guides people find to be good.