ask-for-help-here

[austere roost]

and they come in fleets of ten

not as ic efficienct as medium navals iirc

[neat widget]

strategic bombing

so bombing buildings

that said medium frames can also do the things small frames do

make two frontline orders and assign different troops to each of them?

but why are you doing that

unless you have a single front with multiple armies, it's usually better to do it on an army by army basis

[errant chasm]

on the topic of planes, why are tactical bombers never used?

[mossy cape]

can someone please tell me how to naval invade and paratroop

[gusty hinge]

to naval invade you need to do a naval invasion planning on the army and get navy dominance on all the tiles you are going thro with ur army

to paratroop you need transport planes and landing planing

[mossy cape]

ok ty

[tawdry lava]

how do u

play this game

like how many hours do u need to put into this game to have fun

[tulip comet]

some

but for me it made fun at 200 hours

[tribal flicker]

600

[tulip comet]

but for other is other times more or less than for me you will see it

[tribal flicker]

still no fun

as soon as u know the navy the game is fun

[tulip comet]

yeah

[tawdry lava]

yah

i wanna

learn the main game

[tawdry lava]

before i play mods like tfr ect ect

[tribal flicker]

i dont play mods that often

[tawdry lava]

idk how many playthroughs tho

mmaybe 5

[tribal flicker]

u play make mistakes every game and learn from em and make other mistakes

first u should win as germany ww2 and once prevent france loss in ww2

[tawdry lava]

ooooh boyy...

sounds like

[tribal flicker]

i done it multiple times

[tawdry lava]

a real challenge

yah i heard germany is easy but what tree should i go for

[tribal flicker]

it isnt

[tawdry lava]

oh

[tribal flicker]

historical

but just be way more compitent than him fr

like actually supply the eastern front or so

[tawdry lava]

im, gonna like

[tribal flicker]

or fight britain longer and produce more planes or more navy

[tawdry lava]

have to pause every single second to understand the ui lol

[tribal flicker]

thats what u have to go with for the rest of the game

and it wont get better

[tawdry lava]

yeah...

[tribal flicker]

bc there is micro maneging and stuff that has deeper meaning that u sometimes learn a bit if u just focus completly on learning that one little stat

[tawdry lava]

video tutorials dont rlly help me with that so i rather learn from peers

[tawdry lava]

so

what stat should i focus on first tbh

[tribal flicker]

learn industry focustree production and some unit stats like soft attack

and research

ngl air is the easiest to learn and master and the most important

later u should learn stuff like optimal unit templates of diff situation and terrain

bc there are diff units that r good in diff terrain but suck at other terrain

[tawdry lava]

mm

so

i see

[tribal flicker]

ur most important unit stats are soft attack hard attack defense breakthrough and hp

[tawdry lava]

soo

i think i have a general idea on how industry works

focus tree

looks pretty easy

but production

ehhhh

[tribal flicker]

70 day focuses

[tawdry lava]

yah

i should start working on building factories in

some of the places in germanyy

mm

[tribal flicker]

best thing where u learn is from mistakes and from reading

[tawdry lava]

wait isnt building infastructure

better

here

rather than straight up building factories

[tribal flicker]

germany first 2 years is civ building

[tawdry lava]

i see

so i wanna start out by building civs

and working on infastructure

[tribal flicker]

infastructure is irrelevant bc he build the autobahn

its in the ficustree

construct the reichsautobahn

[tawdry lava]

ahh

i see

[tribal flicker]

but first u go for either 4 year plan or priotize growth

[tawdry lava]

i heard that

in the long run priortize growth is better

[tribal flicker]

yep

[tawdry lava]

should stat with that then

mm

what equipment should i be priortizing

[hoary glen]

Guns for Anschluss

[tawdry lava]

i mean as in like

production wise

or do i lack knowledge on what your saying

[hoary glen]

Yeah, 20 on guns and deploy troops you can click the focus may 36

[pseudo plume]

Anyone available to help me learn? I've got like 200 hours but I still struggle to win wars and stuff

[hoary glen]

Also you want to at max build 8 civs and then only mils.

I guess if you pick left side for eco you can build civs a bit more bc you do super late war with it

[hoary glen]

What is the biggest issue you run into? Why are you losing the war?

[tawdry lava]

yah i chose economic plan

so

[pseudo plume]

Personally I think it's a mixture of macro, and bad template designs/equipment designs

But also, I don't really know how to effectively use all of my military together

Like I'm decent at micro, and army stuff, but Navy and air force I'm lost

Even when I manage to build a decent amount of fighters they just get shot down

[hoary glen]

Just remember that civs can't take territory, but the stuff you build in mils can. Don't build civs longer than mid to end of 37

[hoary glen]

If you have battles click onto the bubble and hover your stats. There you can see what your issues are

It will show debuffs in red

If you have no debuffs then you might need more positive buffs from doctrine and generals

[pseudo plume]

Is there like go to division templates, and tank/plane designs?

That's what I need

[hoary glen]

You can look through the pins

[proud parcel]

i have a question, as germany how am i expected to naval invade uk? i put every plane there and made the channel green, put every ship i had in there, and i wasn’t able to invade for like 3 years. when my troops finally went they all died insantly. should i have invested in bombers? or navy planes?

[hoary glen]

That seems to be a design issue. If you post the one you are using I can help you with it

[pseudo plume]

I'm not doing a playthrough at the moment was just looking for general help

[iron veldt]

paradrop

[tawdry lava]

feels like im missing something currently and im wondering if its recruit and deploy, diplomacy, or production

[proud parcel]

that could be a good idea, i’ve never messed with that before. are those unique units or can any unit do that? and what kind of planes allow that

[hoary glen]

If you plan to invade them build a surface navy from game start, don't build subs. I can recommend Destroyers with 1-2 Torp tubes and a few guns. Especially when you take Benelux and France you'll have a lot of docks to build many ships. Then after a year or two your Navy should be stronger. Nav planes are obviously good to support your Navy, but just having fighters can be enough. Your CAS is probably enough bombing.

[iron veldt]

you need air superiority & transport planes

i usually do AA, SA, shovels & a 4x3 paratrooper

[hoary glen]

It's a special forces unit you need to research

[proud parcel]

ok that’s my problem, i always build a lot of subs. also can you customize the ships? is that important to do or nah?

[hoary glen]

And you need transport planes

[iron veldt]

yes that’s important

[hoary glen]

Iirc Man the guns has become a vanilla feature, so yeah you can make custom designs. They will always be better than the default ones

[tawdry lava]

we;;

well

currently

ig what im doing is building civ and mili factories currently

n with production im focusing on support equipment and guns

and im using a template division

[proud parcel]

okay it seems pretty complicated, the only customizing i’ve ever done is changing how many troops are in my units

[hoary glen]

After you have Anschluss done go down on guns and start to build fighter planes and CAS. Import rubber from Netherlands.

[hoary glen]

That's a good template. Make sure you are building everything it needs and you're constantly training 6-8 of them

Later for the war you want to make the bigger. Basically twice as much infantry icons as you have now

[hoary glen]

You change this in the production menu. Click on a ship and then the modify button. Once you get the hang of it, it's not really complicated. Just new.

[tawdry lava]

think i got everything i need

[proud parcel]

should i always just add every upgrade?

[tawdry lava]

mm

wait

so out of these two which do i go for

[pseudo plume]

real talk tho, if anyone wants to backseat and help me that would be amazing

[hoary glen]

Right side pushes you over 50% war support so you can go war eco, so that's what I like to do. But it's really up to you

[tawdry lava]

war eco sounds good

since

arent we gonna be in war for a good period of time

anywhhoo

[hoary glen]

Just remember to go down a bit on guns eventually. Gun1 does like no damage at all. Gun2 however you want to try to put into every hand you can find.

[tawdry lava]

in the meanwhile

shouldnt i

kinda get something done with economic reforms

or

currency reforms

[hoary glen]

No, for example you don't need AA or a sonar. You will have green air from fighters and you're trying to kill the British fleet, not hunt subs. Don't feel bad for leaving slots empty, this can often be advantageous to not waste time on unnecessary stuff

[hoary glen]

Wait. I think that might be some right side eco thing tho. I don't really play left side too often bc I don't want to wait a year longer for war. Just try to get away from civ eco asap

[proud parcel]

i see, are carriers worth building?

[hoary glen]

They are good, but they take a lot of time, so don't over build I guess

Also if you want to take the UK build stuff that is actually finished when you want to attack them

[tawdry lava]

okay

uhh

[proud parcel]

okay, i think if i can take the uk i can win, its just so annoying fighting them in africa we always lose and the the us comes in and theres 50 naval invasions every minute

[wind canyon]

don't bother fighting in africa focus on defeating the brits before the americans join

[tawdry lava]

mm

[wild rune]

that decision chain is useless essentially

[tawdry lava]

ahhh

???

how do i check this

yk

[tawdry lava]

maybe

ill hold on playing this game

for now

[glacial steeple]

army tab

top right

next to speed bar

[tawdry lava]

thank you

[tawdry lava]

tbh backseat gaming in a vc would

probably be best 4 me

idk

[rain scaffold]

Any way to change the order that equipment is converted?
Specifically, I have tank models A, B, and C. Converting from A to C is pricey, but B to C is cheap. For some reason it's converting A first, instead of B first.

[sand ember]

if you make model A not an outdated model it won't convert them

so it'll just convert B to C

press the show outdated equipment in the production tab and then press the button to

[rain scaffold]

duh, ty!

nvm no wonder its so slow, I changed the gun instead of just upgrading modules without noticing

[dawn mango]

im tryna test divisions, anyone know how to turn off tactics?

[tropic seal]

Does anyone have a TFB guied?

[crisp mural]

TFB is kind of a self explaination mod, theres literally no TFB guide anywhere so uhh, try learn it out

[tropic seal]

bah

[neat widget]

self-explanation mod?

[crisp mural]

just play TFB alot and uhh you will know how to play it

there isn't any TFB guide

currently

[native gorge]

So like does artificially changing the resistance affect how a state rises up?

[left mica]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725866486425583679/1499772550828396575/output.gif

@spare zephyr

bro

<@&846894118219022336>

[hoary glen]

Why do you lose in africa? Look at the combat bubbles and hover the damage values. Then you can see what you're doing wrong. As a major you should never lose a battle vs AI

Also you are placing port Garrisons, right?

[hoary glen]

You can probably find Nation guides for TFB on Dankus Discord (if he has one) or Bokoens. In general just ask around in the server you are playing on. Chance are good some guides are floating around.

[hoary glen]

He means self taught

[fluid bobcat]

Hello men, I wonder, how can I form democratic EU? I mean I want it democratic and not with the British empire stuff.

My main problem, is that as democratic, I can't declare war mostly. So, any solution? Thanks in advance.

[halcyon jolt]

does it make sense for mechanized infantry to mean trucks or armored personnel carriers?

[fluid bobcat]

I don't quite understand your question

If you have mechanized infantry, you use the armored personel carriers, and transport or motorized is basic truck.

[fluid bobcat]

@halcyon jolt

[hoary glen]

The fun option is you go to setting and remove all requirements to justify war goals as a democracy. The patient option is you need to hope that all other nations turn communists or fascist and rip each other apart and you can sweep in afterwards

[fluid bobcat]

I just found a glitch on the internet.

You remilitarizr the rhineland, and let France topple your government. You become democratic, with the fascist focus path.

[hoary glen]

Sounds funny too

[neat widget]

yeah you should always ask your team

[slate nimbus]

even as France?

[neat widget]

well "never" is a bit harsh

but win 90%, yeah

[glacial steeple]

france is OP if you know the game at all

in SP you start with howitzer, only nation to

crazy industry research buffs too

for MP you need to get AT 2

but against ai, should be super winnable

also dont make civs

[neat widget]

^

[inner sparrow]

it’s true tho

[inner sparrow]

especially as france, why should u lose combat as france??

[vital plinth]

I have issue in 1940 with man power

I don’t know if I should use my puppets to train units

[dusty sandal]

in vanilla singleplayer you can battleplan germany with 60 36width interwar medium howitzer+camels/inf by sep 1939

one of the funniest playthrough I did by far

maybe I should try a interwar-equipment only game

[crisp mural]

stack up pp before war and go up in conscription

i dont think you need any of the uhh political advisor as fr*nce

just stack up the PP

[light knoll]

play as france, historical ai, don't join the allies, wait for Germany to kill the Benelux, then kill the axis

[fluid bobcat]

Thanks bro. I luv yu

[crisp mural]

if you're doing a tank build go grind in spain

[primal silo]

hospitals help, and if you pair them with helicopters they are basically a cheat code for manpower

[crisp mural]

you can find lots of gen grinding in youtube

just always remember to get the uhh develop the metropole for those stabs

or those commie is coming after your ass

[primal silo]

on some nations they are literally a cheat code, as you can trickleback more pop than you actually lose with national spirits

[dusty sandal]

that's the only way not to get swarmed by useless AIs

[crisp mural]

amd dont get your tanks encirced

[dusty sandal]

pro tip : when you have ethe communist in governement? event, just take the stab hit
you won't get any communist event after that

[crisp mural]

kk

new thing to learn

[dusty sandal]

and the -5% is worth it since you'll lose about 4% with the communist popularity, 5% more if you don't swap ideology by 1944, and you'll prolly have to pick ban communism focus

[primal silo]

I tried it some time ago and France literally remained on the Maginot without walking in despite me having deleted my army

[dusty sandal]

also, the "protests descend into violence" event doesn't really do anything§. You either spend 25 (or50) political power or lose 5% stab

[fluid bobcat]

Aww

However, if Germany kills benelux, won't they get liberated when they are in the allies?

[dusty sandal]

that's why you don't join the allies

[vital plinth]

I have the 5% conscription 800k on field , issue is I got the 25% debuff and still lacking man power. Down to 50-100 k

I own Germany Italy and Dutch and Belgium

[primal silo]

depends, if you are doing other stuff that lowers stab (i.e. spain) that might push you in the civil war

[fluid bobcat]

Yea but I mean benelux won't join allies?

Ooh

If im not in allies I claim benelux for me?

Good to know.

[dusty sandal]

you never pick the stab hit
stab is too hard to get back

[vital plinth]

And had issue with war support so I got twice the mutiny event and spent 150 PP on it

[dusty sandal]

almost no country should ever pick the stab hit over pp or war support loss

[fluid bobcat]

But what about the Swiss and other stuff to expand my Europe?

[dusty sandal]

that's just bad RNG

you can savescum it

[dusty sandal]

you pick a stab hit that allows you not to lose 6% more stab

you don't pick a stab hit over political power/war support

read the whole messages please

[primal silo]

Yeah but what I was saying is that 5% now might push you over into a civil war, while thr 6% later might not

[dusty sandal]

how does stab affect civil war

and what civil war are we talking about

[crisp mural]

below 25% or smth

and the commie will be behind your ass

[primal silo]

France has scripted civil war under certain stab thresholds

[crisp mural]

commie civil war in fr*nce

[dusty sandal]

you never get under those if you don't do stupid things

[crisp mural]

so uhh the thing to click is the allow commie in the government?

and pretty much nothing else?

[primal silo]

if you want to do franco-spanish union and need carlist to spawn and survive, you need to intervene in spain and that is a knife's edge on stability for the civil war

[dusty sandal]

you start with 50+
you never fall below 40 in 1939 except if you randomly keep clicking on banning ideology decisions
and if you don't get to 0% ws in war

[dusty sandal]

not a big hit either, 10% is a improve working condition worth (12.5% stab)

[dusty sandal]

do not accept

and for the franco spanish union, you don't want commies

[crisp mural]

and take the uhh -50pp and -5 stab?

lets assume we're doing an democratic fr*nce

[primal silo]

pretty sure it's bigger, between the decisions to support spain and intervene and the stab penalty of being at war

[dusty sandal]

it's just stab, not pp

[crisp mural]

oh

so -5 stab

aint that means

they come after my ass once i send volunteers to spain?

[dusty sandal]

you don't need to be at war though, you can just send volunteers

although if you need to go at war and will fall under the threshold, picking the awful ban communism focus will solve this issue

[dusty sandal]

what

[crisp mural]

so uhh

i pick the decision

that let me sends volunteer to spain

its like -20 or -25 stab i dont remember exactly

then with the uhhh -5 stab from not accepting commie in the government clicks

[dusty sandal]

you're going democratic, right ?

[crisp mural]

yes

[dusty sandal]

then don't send anything to spain

[crisp mural]

and civ war will happen

[dusty sandal]

it's not worth it

[crisp mural]

it is

[dusty sandal]

how

[crisp mural]

when ur doing tanks

you need those traits

[dusty sandal]

no it's not

[crisp mural]

in order to click the geemans

[indigo sapphire]

should i produce thousands of ships as Germany?

[dusty sandal]

you don't need any grind to click the AI

[crisp mural]

no

im talking about

an MP game

[dusty sandal]

if you want to, it can be fun

[crisp mural]

AI is easy

we dont talk about AI

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[crisp mural]

for example an mainland france hold build

i need those stats

to click

[dusty sandal]

in a 101 hoi mp game you won't be able to defend france

[indigo sapphire]

i want between 6.5k ships and more

[crisp mural]

lets just assume we're trying to click as much casualty as possible

just make the geemans suffer yk

just assume we need the strongest france mainland hold build

we doesn't care what happens after

or just in sheep's mod

if we dont have good gens

[dusty sandal]

if the german player isn't bad and the ruleset even remotely playable, allies aren't allowed to be in france in air nor have land units (or ger cannot kill france and game ends in 1940) and france cannot compete with ger industry, dying eithe rto air or tanks

[crisp mural]

they just chop our buns

lets assume bro

[dusty sandal]

still not worth it

[crisp mural]

we're assuming

to build the strongest france mainland hold

[dusty sandal]

the stab hit you take is already a massive debuff to your whole country

a 25% stab hit is less output and less factories to build with

[crisp mural]

if we clicks commie in the gov will we have civ war?

[dusty sandal]

never worth some trait grind you're not even guaranteed to get because half of spanish civil war is attacking in areas where you gain barely any xp

[crisp mural]

nuh uh

[dusty sandal]

no

[crisp mural]

oh then im just gonna click it

extra stab so uhh i dont die ig

[dusty sandal]

and you'll lose more stab

[crisp mural]

its general XP

[dusty sandal]

still not

[crisp mural]

and gen xp doesn't matter if the guy is doing good

or nah

[crisp mural]

if we allow commie in the gov will something happen later?

[dusty sandal]

general xp is gained by equipment you kill
you don't kill much in spanish civil war, especially if you come in late

[dusty sandal]

yes

[crisp mural]

i mean its still grindable

spain civ war is enough to grind like 6 gens

if you do it properly

if 2 gens you can get terrain traits too

[dusty sandal]

you'll get 3 events that increase commie popularity (costing you 4+% stab from less party popularity) + you'll get an event in war that removes 5% flat

[crisp mural]

get forest traits and the german tanks will pretty much cannot click you if you have green air from UK

[dusty sandal]

if you have green air for uk and it's a mp game, the game's over

even if you only have inf wall

[crisp mural]

lets just say contested air and their cas aint working that good

[dusty sandal]

that's why any good MP ruleset prevents the allies from interfering in france hold

[dusty sandal]

that's just goalposting at this point
and keep in mind that germany will have more generals, more tanks and they will also have grinded traits

you'll maybe have 5-6 tanks, they'll have 12

[crisp mural]

no

an proper setup

and you will prob have around 18 heavy

with camel

with like 80 18 width inf

its possible

but its just the problem where i randomly get civ war

when im grinding

no actually

not 18

around 12

18 is once i chopped the german ass

but around that is a good estimation

one time i did it with a lil cheat

gave myself some stab so i dont get those commie after my ass

sheep's ai tho

so yeah i dont know how to avoid the france civ war if you send volunteers

and you ofc need the general traits

and that ranger traits too

[molten cape]

Lol no

[crisp mural]

and its pretty much impossible to beat sheep's ai without the general traits

[crisp mural]

no around 11-12

mb

it was uhh

post war

or even lower idk

its been a long time

[dusty sandal]

Let me describe you a proper setup :
you have 6 tanks tops (with early production of convert tanks), in september 1939 germany decs on poland and simply walks through the maginot because heavy TDs + medium flame tank + assault engineers + fort buster trait + fort buster ability = 1.9% penality from lvl 10 forts while attacking from one direction). Let's assume you have 10 tanks (because you can't have more even if you do things absolutely perfectly and get rid of the mech), germany still have 12 cream of the crop divs, with grinded general AND field marshal, with mastery because they get buffs for it, with an actual stockpile to replenish, with more techs than you, with the "blitzkrieg" buff that gives 10% attack on tanks, with more advisors than you do and with more vets than you because they can send up to 12 divs in spain

[crisp mural]

i dont remember exactly

[dusty sandal]

you cannot hold

and the grind won't save you

[dusty sandal]

I'd like to the what these tanks look like

[dusty sandal]

ger's will look like this (with heavy canon 2, radio 2 and 14 armor ticks)

[dusty sandal]

this dies immediately simply for the fact it's not a TD

[crisp mural]

you need the breakthrough

cuz you're fighting under redair

tds simply die under red air

[dusty sandal]

you have breakthrough with TDs

[crisp mural]

not enough

[dusty sandal]

this is with heavy canon 3 and gun 3

[crisp mural]

you will just get overrun

[dusty sandal]

what

[crisp mural]

idk

its in my smol memory

but you need shit tons of breakthrough

inorder to even click

[dusty sandal]

you never use normal tanks

[crisp mural]

and not get overran

wait my build was from a youtuber

lemme find it again

[dusty sandal]

TDs get massive buffs from doctrines which tanks don' tget
TDs get more hard attack, more soft attack and only take a 15% breakthrough hit if you pick the right doctrines
The breakthrough you lose, you get back with the armor ticks (that aren't there for the armor but for the brk)

[crisp mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ28HjyhMgk&t=699s

[dusty sandal]

and with the support companies, the flame tank and the light recon alone give you about 200 flat

[crisp mural]

here

my build was from this

i pretty much learned the build

i gtg now

we can discuss this again or im just stupid pls teach me

[dusty sandal]

you missed the part where he calls them convert

they are there for XP convert

this div template is to train up to level 3, then to be converted into the final tank

[neat widget]

generally true, but i will say with one of the most commonly used multiplayer doctrines, armored spearhead, tanks get bigger breakthrough buffs than tank destroyers

but this is offset by support doctrines

[dusty sandal]

the way it works : XP loss when swapping a division template is based on the division composition with unit category (motorized, mech, camels are all in the same category for example) and manpower. So if you want to convert a div to mechnized but don't want to train mech to not lose any to attrition, you build a camel division with the same template than the mech, only you have replaced the mech with the camels. You train the camels up to lvl 3, then you convert that div to the final mechanized unit.
You now have a lvl 3 mech unit without having to train it

also, from the looks of things, the AI in his playthrough went for a medium SPG or medium tank build ? that looks wird and is far from the MP heavy TD or medium TD swarm

[dusty sandal]

but you don't get the buffs from self propelled support doctrine then

you can get both buffs on the TDs

a 25% increase in stats with an offset of the breakthrough penality
add to that the buffs you get from techs (up to 30% more hard atk on TDs), and that stacks again with MIOs which apply a % too with infantry tank designer
TDs are superior in every way to regular mediums

old doctrines didn't make it so blatant though

[vital plinth]

What should I pick when the event comes ?

[dusty sandal]

I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING

he was using the old doctrines !

vid is from nov 18 2025
NCNS came out on nov 20th 2025

that means this vid is about an old meta

the good times of "france 60 heavy howitzer tank battleplan" build

[vital plinth]

@dusty sandal my issue in my France game is war support is low 4-6 % 20% loss because of combat casualties I only had 1000-140k lost totalt and 8% from convoy loss

I got the Myron event twice where I picked the one that cost 75 pp

To try remove it

I beat Germany so world tension doesn’t increase much and stops around 78%

[dusty sandal]

wll, the convoy loss is easily removed
the war support is just a matter of you clicking the decision and not killing your own troops by throwing them into encirclements and such
and click the dec at 150pp for 0.5% weekly ws too, you should have never been under 50% to start off

[fair hare]

wait did they nerf air attack again?

a couple weeks ago 75 was full reduction

or is it js for strait casfarming?

[vital plinth]

I understand as france I seem to struggle with the pp point s using a lot to fill the slots of commanders at start it goes slow

[dusty sandal]

it's 55 air atack for 75% reduction
it used to be 13

at least that's what the wiki says iirc

[fair hare]

then why do u need 200 air attack?

[dusty sandal]

to actually kill the CAS

because even with 75% reduction + a general and FM with the trait to reduce by 50% the damage and with an advisor to reduce damage by 10%, you still die to CAS

that's how broken it is right now

some mods like HMM even remove entire CAS doctrines from the game to make it playable in MP

[fair hare]

makes sense

[vale sable]

Hey guys, as a veteran player theres always still stuff that I don't know, including operations for the air force, assuming ur air force is at a disadvantage is their any air options u can change? For example theres no retreat, execute operations at day only but idk what these effects are and how to utilise them

[inner sparrow]

don’t u like the 1 gazillion % increase to ground support from doctrines in vanilla

[native otter]

anyone able to help me or teach me stuff? new player here, been playing with my friend and iv failed to take over china as japan 8 times already at ahistorical

its the dam mountains

always the mountains

[dusty sandal]

the ominous CASfighter with 195% mission effi :

[native otter]

would be nice if someone could help or teach me stuff cuz iv already soent hours looking at guides and stuff yet im still failing

[obtuse anchor]

What are you failing

[native otter]

i always get stonewalled at mountains

then it stalemate and just

cant do anything

[obtuse anchor]

Are you using tanks or any mot/mech divs to push through the mountains

[native otter]

i cant rush them down either cuz manchuko i have to deal with as every single time they have went independance war

[native otter]

both

12 moterized 8 tank templates fail

12/2 fail

wtf am i supposed to do

[obtuse anchor]

Tanks and mot/mech dont do well with mountains

[native otter]

it takes 24 divisions to kill 2

24 infantry divisions

[obtuse anchor]

Use mountaineers and/or infantry to push mountains

[native otter]

to kill 2 of theirs in a damn mountain

[native otter]

it fails still

[obtuse anchor]

Can you give a templatr

[native otter]

engineering company
mp
field hosp
logis
arty sup

12/2

[obtuse anchor]

Ok 12 inf and 2 of what

[native otter]

arty

[obtuse anchor]

Add support flame tanks and replace inf for mountaineers

[native otter]

dont mountaineers take sf

[obtuse anchor]

Also line artillery isnt really needed

[native otter]

i can only field like 5 max

full units

5 or 6

[obtuse anchor]

Also, are you using air

[native otter]

ill try that

[native otter]

yes

from sat bombing supply and logistics

to cas and air dominance

its the fact they have like

[dusty sandal]

depends on the size of your army

[native otter]

hundreds of divisions

[obtuse anchor]

Also, always remember that you are not fighting with the same divissions

[native otter]

i kill one 4 take their place

[dusty sandal]

but sf have more brk and atk than inf

[native otter]

i need like 400+ soft i think

[obtuse anchor]

They could have "wall" divs

[native otter]

those chinese divs got from 200-380 def

mountains

im using roach inf alr

[dusty sandal]

you don't need much flat
you need breakthrough first, soft atk after

[native otter]

how much breakthrough

[dusty sandal]

the modifiers come in

[dusty sandal]

at bare minimum 200 flat
400 is optimal but hard to get without gun 3

[native otter]

so 12 mountaineers and flame tank support?

[dusty sandal]

and light tank recon

[native otter]

ok

ill try that

also is there a way to stop manchuko from independance war every run

in ahistorical

it always delays me just long enough to a point china has too many units

once i deal with them

[dusty sandal]

you can't it's 75% chance they go for it since they have 3 paths, 2 going for independance

[native otter]

im encircling and fighting 50+ divs the second im done with them

[native otter]

more like 90%, 8 runs every run they independance

[dusty sandal]

that's just rng

[native otter]

i should not be taking 10 years to fight china

[dusty sandal]

do collabs on them, good inf (9inf, sup arty), add 1 line arty if you want (rare case where it can be worth it) and use your starting air

[native otter]

ok

[iron harness]

don't overstack unless you're attacking from multiple sides

still 24 divs against 2 is still too much

[native otter]

i kinda was forced as i would straight up lose a mountain fight if not

i was microing my whole fight up until i stonewall a mountain and i cant push

i was taking bassically 0 losses until mountain

[rancid sedge]

@shrewd plover

how cann you get revenge oif moontezuma in 2026?

[left mica]

My honest reaction

jk

[errant bear]

are nukes worth making?

[vital plinth]

Should I use interception when enemy uses CAS?

[serene karma]

No

[random pewter]

how to i change checksum

[serene karma]

💀

Did you mean

You cant play mp bcs ur checksum isnt the same?

[vital plinth]

Only for bombers ?

[knotty mantle]

Guys ever since a few updates ago i have this problem when playing japan.

Somehow if i play the japanese i get turned into the mongol empire. This is vanilla.

I just get this event and boom im mongolian. It breaks my immersion and it is annoying.

Who vibe coded this? 🤣

Can someone please help me with this? I just want to be the japanese again.. This is ruining my playtrough.

I tried using console to change goverment type and back. But the name remains.. and the flag too. this is so stupid. HOW IS THIS A VANILLA BUG?!?!

Nobody checked this stuff?

[hazy quiver]

Try historical and play the historical path and (do not attack Mongol?)

[knotty mantle]

This is on 25 feb 1936. I have not chosen a path/focus yet since that trail was ongoing. But this STUPID event. Because it changed me into the mongolians. and thus that country code. It... uhm... Made the next historical event bug out.

Oh i also have historical focusses on for the AI. And every other thing on normal.

[jagged sphinx]

as a beginner what troops should i try and make?

and how should i use them?

[knotty mantle]

This is locking me out of my tree

[obtuse anchor]

verify integrity of files

on steam

if it doesnt work, FULLY reinstall hoi4

[jagged sphinx]

and how much too

[knotty mantle]

I can try that.

[obtuse anchor]

not just delete it from steam, delete it from /Documents and /ProgramFiles

[obtuse anchor]

thats if it doesnt work

after verifying the integrity

[knotty mantle]

Yeah fresh install. I know. That does mean i just need to restart my safegame right? That s lost.

[red mesa]

infantry, enough to fill any frontline you might have fully, with troops to spare. Depends heavily on what nation as some will have more and bigger fronts than others

[obtuse anchor]

yes, you will have to restart your save

[knotty mantle]

Depends on the country. Germany infantry and tanks

[jagged sphinx]

yeah but my infantry barely captures land

[red mesa]

yeah, they're there to fill the frontline

[jagged sphinx]

what templates should i use for them

[knotty mantle]

Infantry is for holding the frontline.

[red mesa]

special forces/armor makes gains/attacks

[knotty mantle]

9 tanks and fill in the rest with motorized. Maybe some AA and motorized arty for extra soft attack.

[red mesa]

never motorised arty. Your tanks are the arty and motor is inferior to mech in every way

[jagged sphinx]

aight

and should i get marines mountaineers and paratroopers?

if so how are they used

[knotty mantle]

I meant early game. Before you get mech. I always put 1 a 2 arty a ful line of motorized in early tank divisions. For the extra soft attack.

This is against AI not players.

[obtuse anchor]

NEVER use moto arty

[red mesa]

the tanks are the arty, they have the soft attack wtf

[obtuse anchor]

waste of trucks

[red mesa]

isn't that kind of self-explanatory?

[jagged sphinx]

yeah

[knotty mantle]

You can never have enough soft attack against AI. They mostly have infantry anyway.

[jagged sphinx]

but i dont really know if their necessary

like i know we can get they

but idk if we should

[obtuse anchor]

dont you mean too much 😭

[red mesa]

If I am sacrificing other stats for more soft when my div already melts the AI inf then it is redundant/harmful

[knotty mantle]

Just have like 10-20 factories always on trucks. because they don't get better anyway. Of course when mech comes around. I put some specialised tanks in them as artillery.

I always stock up on a lot of trucks also for supply. Can never have enough trucky wuckies.

[red mesa]

mountaineers are always good, even if you're not investing heavily into them

[obtuse anchor]

still a waste of trucks (arty vs mot. arty l->r)

[knotty mantle]

You are probably right. Im not the most efficient player. Im more of a larper.

[obtuse anchor]

one giant disadvantage of mot arty is fuel consumption, trucks req, and more supply usage

is a waste of trucks really worth the +5 bt and +8km/h speed

😭

[red mesa]

literally not even providing the org that your tank div needs as well

that's like half the reason to have mobile inf in a tank div at all

[obtuse anchor]

everyone knows that you need to use mech with tanks

😎

[knotty mantle]

I always spam refineries 🤣

[red mesa]

specifically with max production cost reduction so you can spam

[obtuse anchor]

refineries are not gonna do anything if you have low oil production

[marsh trench]

Anyone got advice?

[red mesa]

why are those two small armies not under the field marshal and why are you using motorised divisions?

[crisp mural]

you have shit tons of pp

go total mob

with women in the workforce

and go up in coscription

you have no manpower

and get doctrines

and other stuff

you have max XP

[marsh trench]

idk

[marsh trench]

I am

[marsh trench]

Motorised bad?

[red mesa]

yes

[marsh trench]

I thought its good as a small nation?

[red mesa]

nooooo

awful

more expensive than regular units for no stat gains

[marsh trench]

Oh, ok anyway, I need help, they pushing me back

[obtuse anchor]

defend by the red line

[red mesa]

yeah, your army is under equipped and out numbered, likely getting bombed to death

[marsh trench]

They not under equipped

[marsh trench]

So I should retreat?

[obtuse anchor]

river and mountain provs are gonna help you defend there, construct forts there too

[obtuse anchor]

yes

[red mesa]

yes, they are. Must just be missing men

[marsh trench]

But I got manpower avail

[obtuse anchor]

this means they are under equipped

[red mesa]

[marsh trench]

Also should I swap my motorised with infantry?

[obtuse anchor]

your org and fighting capability is shit

[marsh trench]

My bad

Ok let me retreat real quick, like I jus needa hold out till USA join, then they gonna carry

[red mesa]

it's 41 so the war with the ussr should pop before that

[marsh trench]

WAIT, I got plan, imma build forts on that red line, Imma let my troops hold out bit longer, once forts done, imma retreat

Nevermind

I cant hold out, bulgaria joined

[marsh trench]

Any more advice?

[coarse finch]

Assign traits on your generals

[marsh trench]

Done, anything else?

[red mesa]

and put the one with the mountaineers under the field marshal

[marsh trench]

Done

Any more advice?

[coarse finch]

Whats your division template?

[spring shore]

is it realistic to build a navy as historical germany?

[marsh trench]

Im getting a red bubble

[coarse finch]

Move troops to reinforce

[marsh trench]

Im trying

[coarse finch]

And you're working on your manpower issue right?

[red mesa]

25 divs went up to 28

you're still recruiting?

[marsh trench]

Im on all adults serve

[marsh trench]

No

[coarse finch]

Move your troops out of the northern tile.

[red mesa]

3 divs popped out the aether boss, I swear

[marsh trench]

I put them there cause there is a very strong fort over there, they are cooking

[marsh trench]

Also, I saved this, they arent attacking anymore

[coarse finch]

They can get attacked from 4 angles so thats -3 fort strength

And it'll free troops to defend the rest

[marsh trench]

Ok, ill move them

[coarse finch]

Hover over the manpower number and send a screenshot of that

[glacial steeple]

:clueless:

[coarse finch]

Hey Casey

[glacial steeple]

this is just an issue of 1941, bad gun tech all game (probably mostly gun1 in field) and small divs not suited for later in the game

[marsh trench]

Ok, so USSR war started

[red mesa]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1449942974019670066/1458462764501827644/JSBF_9XVATAAS7_YNB8HE.gif

less than 10% mobilised yet you went to AAS and nuked your production

man

[glacial steeple]

hii how are you chat cat

[coarse finch]

Yea just wait. You're only at 6% recruited and have 20% total

So you'll get more men eventually

[marsh trench]

Ok, ill just hold out for now then

[coarse finch]

I'm fine. But tired af

[glacial steeple]

right clicking notifs away btw

[red mesa]

oh, even better

[glacial steeple]

you can tell because thered be one for pp and some other stuff

[red mesa]

oh ofc

[glacial steeple]

truly living in ignorance and bliss

[red mesa]

5head

would explain the xp

[glacial steeple]

would explain bad tech :D

[red mesa]

@marsh trench you even have doctrines and officer spirits?

[glacial steeple]

tech is so important to do

[red mesa]

true

41 with gun 1 bet

[glacial steeple]

tbf hes not training new units

his units in the field are just somehow terrible

like hes had 5 years

[half sandal]

hi, im playing through the german communist tree and i think i noticed a spelling error. sorry if this is the wrong forum to post this

"Tihs"

[glacial steeple]

id recommend making a post on the PDX forums in the future, they dont read these chats

[marsh trench]

Yes

[marsh trench]

Idk what im doing wrong

Germany removed their forces, they halted all offensives, what do I do now?

[marsh trench]

👆

[marsh trench]

👆

[coarse finch]

Just wait until they're weak enough to push

[marsh trench]

Why wont UK send reinforcements?????

[red mesa]

programmed not to

until later

[glacial steeple]

give save

@red mesa will load it

(im forcing him to)

[marsh trench]

How is my production looking?

[glacial steeple]

its hard to tell when you manage to censor half the info (notifications, tech, prod lines)

div templates hardly matter

[red mesa]

for free?

[glacial steeple]

unpaid labour

[red mesa]

(my entire hoi4 career)

[marsh trench]

I got manpower

Do I make more divs?

I got the supplies

[marsh trench]

👆

[marsh trench]

👆

[coarse finch]

Yes and try to get planes

[marsh trench]

Ok

When is the UK and USA supposed to give me reinforcements? Cause they being useless rn

[red mesa]

again, the allies are programmed not to commit to mainland europe until after 42 in order to not melt the axis ridiculously early every single game

[marsh trench]

Alr

[subtle thorn]

why cant i get any achivments i have road to 56 and modifier icons and im playing ironman and historic focuses on

does somebody know why

[winged orchid]

since some mods have head of governments that arent replaceable, is using commands possible?

[coarse finch]

RT56 blocks you from getting base game achievements but adds their own

So you can get the rt56 ones but none from base game

[subtle thorn]

damnn so i have to remove that?

can modified icons stay

[worn shard]

best cas design?

[worn shard]

ty

[last arch]

any mods that change any part of how you actually play (tech trees, focus trees, AI) are all achievement incompatible because they fundamentally alter the game’s balance. mods that are purely cosmetic (army insignia, map mods, icons) should be fine if the modder made it correctly

[mystic willow]

what should i look for in a template

and make a good template

[random pewter]

yeah how

[random pewter]

how to change the checksum i cant play cuz checksum not same

[dire turret]

how do i merge a unassigned division under a field army

[white karma]

is pacifying ethopia achievable??

[dusty sandal]

yes but not worth it

[dusty sandal]

make sure you have the same game version, same mods and same update of said mods

[dire turret]

what does the red exclamation mark before a infantry unit means

[dusty sandal]

means it has no order assigned
any symbol that appears, you can hover over it and see what it means

[hazy quiver]

Most fun country to play (with the path)?

[knotty mantle]

soft attack

[uncut narwhal]

light tanks

[spring shore]

light tanks

[uncut narwhal]

low stats

do you have no step back?

use smth like this

[last arch]

if your playing single player you should only be using sp arty

self propelled artillery

[last arch]

that’s the tank on the left here

[uncut narwhal]

then get the tech

[uncut narwhal]

you literally said it

[last arch]

if you don’t have mechanized researched then just use cavalry + sp arty and switch once you research it

i forget how exactly you build SP artillery w/o DLCs but check your production tab

your organization should be at least 30

[uncut narwhal]

its in research

[last arch]

your stats are gonna be probably about a third of what they would be with dlc but it’s probably enough for your purposes

[uncut narwhal]

dont play ironman, just dont cheat

[last arch]

depends on the country and DLCs

there’s no like standard universal build that works for every country

[uncut narwhal]

just playing works best

if your playing a major inf bricks with cas work very good

[fathom thistle]

support aa?

[uncut narwhal]

pulled it straight from pinned messages

[fathom thistle]

some of them are kinda lacking tbh as I noticed

not saying they are bad

Im only pointing it out cuz that looks like a later on tank div so if it has aa I would probably want to invest in 2 line AA's at minumum

cuz single support aa isnt enough if someone is actually playing with no air

(later on of course)

[misty wagon]

someone for the love of good help me before i go crazy im so serious

[serene karma]

Whats ur overall strategy

[crisp mural]

your tanks have no equipment

just disband them

and focus your production on air

[serene karma]

On military factory and politcs

[crisp mural]

or infantry

you literally have 0 equipments

your infantry doesn't have equipments

[misty wagon]

so what should i do

like dont attack

[serene karma]

Whats ur tank design btw

[crisp mural]

theres no what should you do

oh

what should you do is

quit the game

and start a new one

you have 0 equipments

[misty wagon]

i changed it 5mins ago but its this one

[crisp mural]

not too bad but you have 0 equipments

show me your stockpile

[fathom thistle]

you dont need heavy tanks in sp tbh

[crisp mural]

its ok

they works

[fathom thistle]

mediums are fine

[fathom thistle]

but the ic 😭

[crisp mural]

yeah mediums are better in sp

[fathom thistle]

he is already strugling with filling out equipment

[crisp mural]

-6k mech

[crisp mural]

-9k heavy tanks

just

[fathom thistle]

heavy tanks aint helping that

[crisp mural]

scrap your shit

and produce infantry

you dont have enough guns

WHY WOULD YOU HAVE 13K AA

WHAT

????

7K ARTY

7K TRUCKS

11K SUPPORT EQUIPMENT

😭

[fathom thistle]

guns are top priority

[misty wagon]

i stopped production of tanks and ima just do inf rn

[crisp mural]

bro

13k AA

[fathom thistle]

screw others before you fill out guns

[crisp mural]

what

do they have gazillions bombers

and AA doesn't matter that much

its SP

[fathom thistle]

he doesnt have air

[crisp mural]

still

[fathom thistle]

it matters

[crisp mural]

it doesn't that much

[misty wagon]

i kinda had 20 factories on it

[crisp mural]

to the point

he produced

13k

AA

[fathom thistle]

maybe early no but later it totally matters

[crisp mural]

💀

[random pewter]

how to change checksum

[misty wagon]

WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET 2 TILES omg i wanna

[fathom thistle]

production sucks for sure

[random pewter]

i cant join mlplayer

[crisp mural]

bro your divisions dont have equipment

they're fighting with bare hands

ofc they're not winning

[misty wagon]

should i stop producgtion of divisions entirely

[crisp mural]

YES

[misty wagon]

and just wait for supply

[crisp mural]

YOU ALREADY DONT HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT

delete your tanks divisions

they're ass anyway

just go full on infantry

[misty wagon]

..

[crisp mural]

research air

get air

and CAS

[misty wagon]

i dont wanna delete 24 perfectly nice tanks 😭

[crisp mural]

they're not perfectly nice

YOU HAVE

9K DEFICIT

IN HEAVY TANKS

6K IN MECH

[misty wagon]

i stopped production on EVEYRTHING it will even out soon ( maybe_

[crisp mural]

they dont have a single piece of equipment in them

IT WILL NOT

AND THEY'RE SHIT TONS OF IC

IT WILL TAKES 2 YEARS

TO PRODUCE

your mefo bills will eat your ass by then

and your template is ass anyway....

[misty wagon]

im on prioritize

economic

[crisp mural]

oh ok thats good

atleast that saves the game

[misty wagon]

so ur tellling me i gotta wait 40 years to take 2 damn tiles

im going INSANE omg

its been a HOUR

[crisp mural]

you dont have trains too

[misty wagon]

is there any way to not disband my tanks or should i

[crisp mural]

just cancle the training

and delete

until your stockpile

is positive

keep just a few of them

[austere roost]

They suck in sp use this

[crisp mural]

delete your support equipment

[austere roost]

If you can't get mechs use inf

[crisp mural]

you dont need allat AA bro

just get mediums spgs

with armor meme

and honestly

[austere roost]

Armor meme is a meme and is useless

[crisp mural]

tanks is ass if you dont know how to grind gens

[misty wagon]

ty

[crisp mural]

its not in sp

[fathom thistle]

btw is 4 line aa overkill for sp? I usually use 2 but I was wondering

[misty wagon]

wats a spg

[crisp mural]

just dont use tanks in SP in generall

just build

air

ok?

[austere roost]

How does piercing work since you seem to know it all

[crisp mural]

tanks need alot of macro

and micro

[crisp mural]

in SP the Ai's piercing is ass

average around 50 on their tank divs

[misty wagon]

ive had 4 mils on air until rn

[crisp mural]

4 MILS?

YOU NEED

80

[austere roost]

You want > 100 aa in MP so 2 might be enough with doctrines and mios. In sp it's just style points

[crisp mural]

💀

[misty wagon]

buyt my air superiority is already green in netherlands

[crisp mural]

yet you dont have CAS

[fathom thistle]

gotcha

[austere roost]

I'm not asking you their piercing. I'm asking how piercing works. Do you know?

[crisp mural]

yes

[misty wagon]

i have 700 deployed in netherlands

[austere roost]

Tanks with artillery role

[misty wagon]

is that enagh

[austere roost]

Come on tell us then

[crisp mural]

me?

[austere roost]

Cuz the intersection of people who recommend armor meme and people who know how piercing works is an empty set

[misty wagon]

is thereANYTHING i can do to take these 2 tiles quickly

[austere roost]

Yes

[crisp mural]

if piercing = 75% armor they gets 20% dmg reduction

piercing>armor ofc 0% dmg reduciton

[austere roost]

Wait until your units are equipped

[crisp mural]

piercing >50% = 35% dmg reduction

piercing <50% = 50% dmg reduction

[austere roost]

Yeah and have fun designing mega expensive templates for that

You want to know what reduces damage taken by 66%? Using medium SPG + mechs

[misty wagon]

would i be able to kill france like this

[crisp mural]

no

absolutely not

[austere roost]

And 75% if it's medium TDs + mechs

Even medium spgs + inf is like 40% damage reduction

[misty wagon]

i think sum wrong with my air

[crisp mural]

💀

[misty wagon]

why no produce

[crisp mural]

you dont have rubber

build refineries

and get the synthesis focus

aswell as research

atp just delete air completely

and get everything on inf

and you have 0 supply

you dont even have a proper frontline

[fathom thistle]

probably your mils got bombed to shi so they are in repair or you just dont have enough mils

[crisp mural]

he have 0 rubber

he have mils

but 0 rubber in existance

[fathom thistle]

makes sense lol

trade sum fr

[misty wagon]

inf equipment?

[crisp mural]

yes

[crisp mural]

you cant trade as germany

the only way to get rubber

[misty wagon]

why

[crisp mural]

is refineries

try trading then lol

[misty wagon]

why

wrong why

[random pewter]

how to change checksum i cant join multiplayer

[crisp mural]

your infantry have 0 equipment

wdym why

[fathom thistle]

some countries have like a small amount of rubber but yeah

not optimal

[crisp mural]

your template is bad

[misty wagon]

my deficit is gone

[crisp mural]

if you dont know how to grind gens

[fathom thistle]

like 1 or 2 so its literally nothing for his situation

[crisp mural]

yeah

he have shit tons of mech production too

so 0 mech produced

omg

this production

i mean ur new its fine

but helping new players is pushing my sanity

[misty wagon]

ok now my inf deficit is gon

[misty wagon]

i was happy i took poland

i thought i was doin good

[crisp mural]

now try to click 1 tile

[fathom thistle]

sometines its funny how bad it can be tho xD

[crisp mural]

and click in the battle

show me the stats

[crisp mural]

just sometimes

most of the times

[fathom thistle]

like I couldnt imagine how bad u can screw up