ask-for-help-here

[low olive]

usually space marines because without the extra armor they will not win a single fight against Britain no matter how weak they are

[fleet rivet]

real life = bills + car payments + insurance bills + medical bills + groceries + alot of other things. its not easy to get money

[subtle socket]

ur 100% dying to cas btw

[iron veldt]

easy to get money hard to keep the money lmao

[subtle socket]

ur using arty divs and no mot aa tanks

with no dlc

just focus on fighters

and cas

[low olive]

i use mot AA in templates

[subtle socket]

in vanilla as long as u have cas and green air any unit pushes anything rly

this one

has no mot aa

since couple patches ago u need 55 air attack to get the cas dmg reduction

[low olive]

what would a good template look like then if a nation had resources to build it?

[gusty hinge]

bicycles

[low olive]

base game has that?

[gusty hinge]

maybe idk

it should

[slate nimbus]

ive seen bicycle units for whatever reason, its funny

what do those two add??

might be the only ones i get cus i dont think ill be getting the rest

[iron veldt]

plane & tank designers

[slate nimbus]

oh right, meta stuff and whatnot

[iron veldt]

& army spirits

[lunar notch]

superior firepower all the way

[iron veldt]

grand battle plan

[lunar notch]

god stands with the side that has better arty

[iron veldt]

artillery guided by god

[subtle socket]

in this game air is far more important than tanks specially against ai

[low olive]

maybe thats why my tanks are more useless than coast guard, some base game design is not meant to do anything besides be expensive

[subtle socket]

also dont ever use line arty

[lunar notch]

can you show me your tank design?

[subtle socket]

dont listen to the line arty enjoyers

💀

[lunar notch]

it certainly has its uses

[subtle socket]

mathematically it falls off jan 37

[lunar notch]

only on specific nations's specific focuses

[subtle socket]

even arty 3

[low olive]

i cant design tanks, i can only change the armor and speed value for insane prices

[lunar notch]

no dlc?

[gusty hinge]

based person doesn't read the messages

[subtle socket]

lol

[slate nimbus]

China be like:
CORRUPTION!

[low olive]

so arty doesnt work and in base game tanks dont work either? thats hella nice

[subtle socket]

arty is just

mathematically bad

[lunar notch]

you dont slap line arty everywhere

[subtle socket]

it uses 3 combat width

[gusty hinge]

just use bicycles

[subtle socket]

support arty is very very strong

[lunar notch]

there are specific points and with doctrines, it could be useful for some

[subtle socket]

but line arty bad

just make infantry bricks

like 36 width big hp

[lunar notch]

of course it is not as good as support arty

[subtle socket]

and then focus on air only

cent

[low olive]

then what does the attacking

[subtle socket]

the arty buffs

ur refferifn to on nations

the way the math works

[slate nimbus]

an infantry THAT big?

[subtle socket]

is when u put 4-6 line arty

[gusty hinge]

very boring way to play the game

[subtle socket]

in ur template

its line

8% of ur template

[lunar notch]

no?

[subtle socket]

is arty

so ur 20% arty buff

with 8%

is 20% bonus on 8% of ur template

[slate nimbus]

eeeh idk, bro, i found air to be the real game changer honestly

[lunar notch]

4-6 line arty would ruin your organziation

[subtle socket]

any arty

isnt worth

[lunar notch]

1 or 2 doesnt hurt from time to time

i like them

[subtle socket]

just hwo the games designed

everyones entitled to their opinion

but wether mathematically its ever worth it

[low olive]

shall i use special forces for attacks then?

[subtle socket]

its not

[lunar notch]

depends on the terrain really

but i guess you can

[subtle socket]

u can unironically have a 6 width that pushes a super heavy tank

if u have cas and air

welcome to hoi4

[low olive]

so plane spamming then?

[lunar notch]

cas blow up the tanks and 6 width chases surviving crew

[subtle socket]

yeah

you want small air frame flying for air suppority

that gives up to i think 35% attack modifier

and then u have cas which does its own dmg

[low olive]

i guess base game planes arent that good either cuz i usually have thousands of aicraft attacking a single region yet all the battle bubbles are red

[tacit thistle]

yo why do my divs just not give organisation

[subtle socket]

ur planes r bad

no dlc planes are decent

u need the 3rd version from the top for them to be useful tho

usually u wanna tech them day 1 on almost any nation and then just use bonuses for research once u get em

[gusty hinge]

you can upgrade them

[low olive]

or i can spend 600 air experience to upgrade them

[gusty hinge]

yes

[subtle socket]

i havent played much against ai in a while to know if fighter 1s will be fine forever

but i remember pre that dlc people would tech fighter 2 and put 5 agility on it

[slate nimbus]

they fall out quickly

but can put a decent fight and if you have many stockpiled why not throw them in

[gusty hinge]

i think fighter 2 are enough

[slate nimbus]

the ones i really havent tried are heavy fighters tho, im too lazy to research them

[toxic rock]

can someone send me a good division template for td's and mech?

as italy

[proven rain]

how im losing

[lunar notch]

terrain is bad, you have low supplies, enemy has entrenchment

[proven rain]

how i suped to win it

[gusty hinge]

can he naval invade?

[lunar notch]

try taking iraq first and build some railroads, this will increase your battle line and supplies in the region

[lunar notch]

most likely not or useless, since Turkey's navy cannot reach that sea

[gusty hinge]

he can build there

[lunar notch]

he doesnt have a naval dockyard

that territory belongs to iran, he has to win the battle first

[subtle socket]

supply click f4

[proven rain]

t

[subtle socket]

and send a screenshot

[gusty hinge]

did u motorize?

[subtle socket]

whyd u walk back...

u prob had supply hubs rhat just werent connected lol

[proven rain]

its and old

i tried to join alies in the ger war but its just dont work

[gusty hinge]

why did u take a picture of it

before u went to war

[lunar notch]

southeast regions of turkey already doesnt have supply hubs, but attacking iraq grants you these:

[proven rain]

iraq is with uk

[subtle socket]

@proven rain

make mounty divs

snake to iran supply hubs

[proven rain]

cant

[subtle socket]

and connect

[lunar notch]

you have to attack them very soon or during the war, so uk wont be able to guarantee

[subtle socket]

y not

[proven rain]

its to risk and i dont have inf eq

if i do it ger takes the world

thats why

[lunar notch]

attacking greece that way is not a good idea

[proven rain]

maybe if i attack sov

[lunar notch]

my suggestion is, have a force standing near border, prepare and launch a naval invasion, THEN order that strike force to invade greece

[lunar notch]

you wont win

[proven rain]

i can

[lunar notch]

go on then

[proven rain]

oh wait

i dont have plan and naval

i dont

so grece?

[gusty hinge]

what year are you on?

[proven rain]

40

[lunar notch]

you do have a small naval force which is stronger than greece's

[gusty hinge]

you can prob rush a head on the landing for naval

[proven rain]

what happen

[subtle socket]

seems like ur in the axis

[proven rain]

i in alles

[lunar notch]

how do you know

[proven rain]

i joined

[static charm]

How do you get puppet points, I don't want to be a British slave anymore

[keen hemlock]

War participation, lend lease, focuses

Some decisions

[nova iron]

gonna ask what's the go to use template for naval ships? like what armaments on what ships should i install?

[rustic sparrow]

Can someone help me

I’m trying to naval invade rn

I already successfully landed in Norway and made a front line

But for some reason the remaining troops can’t be transported to that front line

Am I missing smth?

[dense stone]

it needs to be a port

the tile you landed on, current tile doesnt have one

naval transportations work only port to port

[proven rain]

how to take cech before ger take it

[rustic sparrow]

Thanks

[jagged cargo]

u dont, u will have to fight ger

[static charm]

Lend-lease?

[jagged cargo]

you wil have to fight them either way

[proven rain]

and how to win it

[jagged cargo]

set correct fallback lines

and wait till germany kills itself

[proven rain]

bc i not gonna get more things

[proven rain]

what

what is that

[jagged cargo]

something like this

[proven rain]

what is fall back line

i dont used it

[jagged cargo]

O_O

click a general

and take a pic of da features

i mean

stuff

[jagged cargo]

the - - - - shield icon

[proven rain]

and what is that

[jagged cargo]

its like

[keen hemlock]

yes

when you send equipment to your overlord

[jagged cargo]

ur troops fall back to a better spot to defend

[proven rain]

but if they overscale

[jagged cargo]

huh?

[proven rain]

like i have 20 army they ahve 100

[jagged cargo]

then there will be holes

use puppet divisions

[proven rain]

i cant use them

[jagged cargo]

you can

[proven rain]

how

i can inv them

[jagged cargo]

you can get puppet divisions via Request Divisiions

go to the diplomacy thing

scroll all the way down

[proven rain]

ye

[jagged cargo]

there should be "Request Division"

[proven rain]

and with this

[jagged cargo]

watch hoi4 tutorial bro

on ytbe

fallback line is

one of the most important thing you should know and use

[cosmic rock]

Yo guys is ther a Chanel to see wher the best div temp are

[fathom thistle]

segl

[slate nimbus]

shouldve known this earlier before spending a whole year in Ethiopia as Italy

[static charm]

That makes me less of a puppet?

[slate nimbus]

indeed

it helps you win autonomy points

[static charm]

Alright well I still need 50

[sick ginkgo]

why fallback on majors bro

[static charm]

I'm exporting some titles to them

[sick ginkgo]

i aint using fallback against poland as germany

[slate nimbus]

you should also help em with troops

[static charm]

Well I got no ships

[jagged cargo]

you should know it

[static charm]

Im Palestine and they're fighting Russia and China

[jagged cargo]

special case i guess

[slate nimbus]

i dont remember in which tab and tooltip to see this but in there it says which actions remove your autonomy and which help you towards it

[sick ginkgo]

mostly for minors or cases with low supply

[cosmic rock]

Wdym

#segl

[mystic gyro]

mind if i ask for some advice on this heavy tank div template im working on?

[fathom thistle]

thats the yt channel

[vital plinth]

Are anti air building any useful at all ?

[proven rain]

what should i do

idk

[mystic gyro]

the leg infantrys there because idk what to put yet and this is going to a very much a slap dash template until i get a better stockpile of heavies

[vital plinth]

Napoleon?

[proven rain]

ye

[mystic gyro]

no dlc aside from the free ones

[proven rain]

ger

[cosmic rock]

Oh ty

[mystic gyro]

also i just realized how low the org was.

[fathom thistle]

yes, having at least lvl 2 in your regions is a good start, great for defense builds

[vital plinth]

Change division to the first template or the second if can’t afford support equipment

Belgium and Netherlands should be easy Germany is the issue

[proven rain]

what

[vital plinth]

Different ways to approach that war

[proven rain]

so ger

[vital plinth]

Your army templates I see your using trucks and horses

[proven rain]

should i get more

[vital plinth]

You should change the template to the 3x3 infantry or the first temple that’s show at top

[vital plinth]

Do you know what army templates is ?

[proven rain]

which

[vital plinth]

Yeah that one is good

[proven rain]

how much should i do

[gaunt nimbus]

is there a proper way to go down the us communist branch without going communist and without starting a civil war bc a lot of the stuff in here gives juicy bonuses and like the whole desegregation thing was historical(even if it happened after ww2)

[vital plinth]

It depends how much man power you got etc , but for that stage you can do 3 x 24

Is this your first game ? Or your new ?

You can beat the Dutch with only 24 divisions easy it’s mainly after for Germany that’s the big issue

[thorny ore]

hello could someone teach me the basics of hoi4 im a new player

[mystic gyro]

Play the tutorial first it doesnt teach much but it does teach the raw basics

[thorny ore]

alright

ive done it before but i didnt reallly understand anything

[mystic gyro]

Read dialogue and itll also tell you about the various bits and bobs you open

[thorny ore]

alright

[slate nimbus]

its very rough and not very good but it does explain SOME things

[drifting coyote]

I accidently switched my ui to this and i cant click anything any fixes?

[thorny ore]

thats what i tought the first time ive done it i wished for someone to learn me it via call but its fine ig ill just repeat it again

[silk ridge]

i just researched the improved destroyer, y cant i produce it?

[runic jacinth]

Should i change the panzer template to 30 width

[mystic gyro]

Bare bones basics as i call it i think hoi4 would benefict from having multiple tutorials each one explaining different features or features in dlcs hell they could even let you play as different countries at various time peroids too ie navy designer you can either be britain or one of the comn wealth nations introducing how various stats and widths work as germany or learning espionage as a free france

[mystic gyro]

You havent made a design yet

Click the anxhor

[runic jacinth]

STOP TRYING TO SCAM ME STOP STOP STOP

[mystic gyro]

<@&846894118219022336>

Consume

There

Which mod got to eat today?

[gilded plover]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-kissing-thank-you-thanks-tears-of-joy-gif-12646453487918425869

[mystic gyro]

Was it delicious?

[runic jacinth]

Should I change the default panzer tank template for Germany to a 30 width

[gilded plover]

Yep

[mystic gyro]

Still looking for advice on this template i made

[glacial steeple]

i dont get it

explain why it is the way it is

[silk ridge]

what should i put as the design?

[austere roost]

is this a military parade template?

[mystic gyro]

Ltldr the infsntry is there cus idfk what else to put there i havent made any units yet and the lig hr s the plan is to gradually phase them out with meds

Because atm i cant afford a full med heavy tank div

Im just asking for general advice i just noticed the org was low so i might cut off some of the support companies

[thorny ore]

can someone teach me the game

[dusky heart]

I plan on using this focus to gte the balkans down. It is 18 Jul 1937 and i wanted to know if britain will garentee Ltavia, once i attack Lithuania. I ask, becuase this happened once in another playthrough (was it maybe bc i made a war decleration instead of a focus to skip the decleration?)

[dusky heart]

I know the basic gameplay, like setup and later on a bit of stuff

If you want

[mystic gyro]

Depends what the world tensions at

[thorny ore]

yes please

[dusky heart]

24%

[mystic gyro]

You should? Be fine?

[thorny ore]

yes please teach me the basics

[dusky heart]

check your dm´s

[weak pine]

Where can i join to play multiplayer?

[mystic gyro]

Do i just slap.on sp arty for the 2 pther slots? Maybe replace the lights with mech?

[spiral delta]

do i change anything of this template?

[austere roost]

Yes

Eberything

Also it's very concerning that 6 tanks is already 8k cost, that means you're using a lot of wasteful modules on your tank design

[summer plume]

what is good single ship navy spam in newest version to deal with AI? I just want a single ship design to mass-produce as japan or america so I don't need to worry about navy for the rest of the game

[spiral delta]

what do i change it with

[austere roost]

Didn't I just post it?

[spiral delta]

why didnt u say so

[austere roost]

Cuz it's there

Also very obvious to see

[summer plume]

isnt it better if he shows you template right away?

[spiral delta]

i thought that was my template

[mystic gyro]

I recall someone saying cruisers i could be wrong tho

[summer plume]

do you have a template?

[balmy grove]

when its 100 in border war

[austere roost]

What mod is that?

[spiral delta]

hey dyk how to get my operative if theyre captured?

[austere roost]

You need to rescue them

[spiral delta]

ik but how

[fathom thistle]

rescue mission

[balmy grove]

Empire

Empire Into the orient

[balmy grove]

Its Lit 100

ButnIts dosent Moves

[spiral delta]

is it a policy or smth i do with another operative

[austere roost]

More factories than France in 1936 😭

[austere roost]

Another operative

[fathom thistle]

witha nother operative yes

go to spy menu and on the bottom of operations you should be able to prepare rescue mission

[austere roost]

Also why suicide pill is such a good upgrade cuz it's much more likely that the operative dies instead of being captured so you can hire another one in 30 days

[spiral delta]

i dont do it cus they can die irl

[austere roost]

Well if you want to RP then sure

[spiral delta]

not rping

[austere roost]

But in game it's better to take that upgrade

30 days vs 1 more spy + 100 days, the choice is easy

[balmy grove]

Yeah...

[balmy grove]

You gonna Help Me Or what?

[spiral delta]

where is spy menu

i dont see any

[austere roost]

Idk how this mod works. I'm just curious

[austere roost]

It's the agency menu

[balmy grove]

Oh

[spiral delta]

prob coding runs the mod and stuff

[balmy grove]

Not At all

The mod name is Empire Into the Orient

[spiral delta]

oh ok

[spark cedar]

Yo

i need some help from veterans

[fierce patio]

https://tenor.com/view/water-cat-ai-catfish-puffercat-gif-4103263979081323190

[uncut narwhal]

spam torpedo cruisers

[uncut narwhal]

you should try austria in that mod

[summer plume]

do you have template for it?

[uncut narwhal]

a destroyer with as many torpedos as you can

[summer plume]

so cruiser or a destroyer bruh

[uncut narwhal]

a destroyer

thats what i said

bro whatt

[chrome breach]

what support do i switch out for flame tanks

[balmy grove]

Soon

[uncut narwhal]

prolly aa if you have an airforce

or just recon

and make it 36w

not 32

[chrome breach]

like this then?

i do have an airforce but it feels uncomfortable to drop aa

[uncut narwhal]

yea

[chrome breach]

is the org drop below 30 worth it

[uncut narwhal]

get the spg doctrine and your fine

[chrome breach]

superior firepower?

[uncut narwhal]

noo?

[chrome breach]

whats spg

[uncut narwhal]

self propelled support

in the arty tab

[chrome breach]

ohhhhh

[uncut narwhal]

the tank your using gng

[chrome breach]

no i meant the doctrine

[uncut narwhal]

yea self propelled support

[chrome breach]

i thought you meant something outta here

[uncut narwhal]

i do

the 2nd tab

[chrome breach]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

[summer plume]

is it a mod or is it a site?

where you got this screen from

[austere roost]

Hoidesigner.com

[summer plume]

dang its only for divisions and tanks, ty anyway tho

[austere roost]

Np I just want them to put mios in

[shadow pewter]

Why dit the Belgian focus tree change

It sucks

[tired moon]

can someone tell me what each one of those green icon thingies are

[gusty hinge]

what green icon

there are many

[austere roost]

572/213 for 10725 cost? yikes that's bad

[gusty hinge]

thats mechanized infantry

[tired moon]

where do you research them

[gusty hinge]

its like a armored version of motorized

in the infantry tab

[austere roost]

If you want a good template use this

[gusty hinge]

you first need to research 2 motorized than you can do mechanized

@tired moon don't research the bottom path tho

[tired moon]

wdym

[gusty hinge]

they are not mechs

there are 2 paths

just so you don't get confused

[austere roost]

Don't research armored cars

[tired moon]

so which one

[gusty hinge]

that is good

before that

[gusty hinge]

and keep the straight line tho

don't go bottom there too

[austere roost]

Only research Amtraks if you know what you're doing in mp

[slate nimbus]

dw, it is a very scuffed tutorial and you manage a pretty mediocre troop
i do recommend you read what it tells you of every tab you open so you get an idea for what it works for, then you can read a bit of the wiki, it takes quite a bit of reading to get used to the game tbh

[errant chasm]

@glacial steeple For the SJ war how do we do the peace conference so that we have 100 compliance on china?

[slate nimbus]

honestly thats a fire idea, i think itd be nice if it taught you how to use x mechanic with x country to get the ropes of the game

but ig itd probably be a hassle to implement

[vital plinth]

Im playing France it’s 1939 February why is it so hard to push a singe tile as France and I lose a lot of man power by a fight. When I look in battle report my soft attack base is lower than Germany divisions and then there is river crossing

Which I don’t understand why my base soft attack is lower in using the basic template support art and engineer and 3x3

[austere roost]

cuz 18w infs have low attack?

If you want to attack use 36 widths preferrably special forces/armor

[vital plinth]

But everyone here has said that 18 with is best or meta ?

[austere roost]

for holding the line

and then to attack 36w is meta

and holding the line is only necessary if you can't mass equip offensive units

for example when I play ussr since I can produce 120 spg divisions I don't make any defensive unit

[vital plinth]

Ok adding more battalions haven’t started producing tanks yet

[austere roost]

think about it this way: if you can't produce enough ic to make enough soft attack you build 18w infs to hold the line and stall their attack

[errant chasm]

As this happens after the peace deal. Not full compliance on all states

[austere roost]

if your division is 1400 soft attack then you don't need to worry about defense because enemy attacking units will melt before your cas even has time to join the battle

[vital plinth]

I did these 3 focus that wasted some time for getting carriers can that 40% but not sure if it’s a waste ?

[vital plinth]

IC is weapons and support equipment ?

[austere roost]

ic is just general name for industry

[austere roost]

do you need it?

idk maybe you're fighting uk too so it's necessary

[spiral delta]

hey thx for ur templagte i beat germany for the first time

[vital plinth]

Yeah playing napoleon so focusing Germany then setting up to fight Soviet and and Allie’s

[austere roost]

np

[spiral delta]

legit wiped them out but i had other bad units so i had like 11m losses

[austere roost]

ok then I guess you can take it

[vital plinth]

But idk if it’s waste since it only gives a bad 40% complete carrier and 2 times bonus resseach and 1936 cairrer unlock

[austere roost]

next time you can try improving your industry so you can produce more good units so you don't take that much losses

[austere roost]

idk, france after defeating italy and germany should have a navy that's much better than uk's

[spiral delta]

yeah next run

[sly mica]

I just played a czechoslovakia game and how the hell am I supposed to withstand germany??

[uncut narwhal]

do you know whats the best doctrine for mech?

[austere roost]

individual excellence

unfortunately the new doctrines are not well written since we figured out the best ones in like a day

there are clear winners in every subdoctrine

[neat widget]

Well if you have 1400 soft and are attacking a soft unit then you would have more soft than enemy defense, which is why the enemy melts

[neat widget]

No it took us a few days to figure it out

Some people were legitimately thinking mobile warfare was good generally

It has its use as a roaching doctrine if you use mech

[austere roost]

yeah this game is just attack/cost maxxing

[neat widget]

But otherwise no

[neat widget]

Break exists too tbh

[austere roost]

some people doesn't mean most people

[neat widget]

BTW the formula is typically attack*hp/ic

[austere roost]

oh yeah forgot to add hp

[warped river]

can anyone tell me how resistance genuinely works

i have NO idea how garrisons work at all

i only understand suppression

[neat widget]

People were also thinking defensive postures or great war infantry were good, which no they basically do nothing

[warped river]

and to make a cavalry template

[austere roost]

so you understand it already

[warped river]

is it just to make mp cavalry divisions

and just not use them

[subtle socket]

i like defensive posture

[austere roost]

the only thing else you need to know is if your communist you can use liberated workers and if you're dem you can use civil oversight

[subtle socket]

for entrenchment

[neat widget]

Simplest template is just one cav

More cav means marginally less (but still less) casualties

You can cut your manpower requirements by using military police or light tanks btw

[austere roost]

that is insane

[warped river]

still dont know how they work

like am i just supposed to make cavalry mp templates

and nothing else

like am i not supposed to move them

can i use them for fighting too

[austere roost]

even when i didn't have ncns I could tell large unit tactics was the best no dlc option

[warped river]

do i have to move them to provinces

[neat widget]

Entrenchment isn't that good considering you get like 10% entrenchment base without engineers

They were looking into it for defense

[austere roost]

think about it as a buff applied to every non core province, so you don't need to move them since they're already applied

[neat widget]

True, for no dlc that is

[austere roost]

also some entrenchment buffs were +0.5 entrenchment even though it says entrenchment +50%

[warped river]

oh so just the division existing counts towards garrisons?

thats just it?

you just need to have the divisions set for their garrison

[austere roost]

yeah, so I said you already know everything

[warped river]

Wow

and i just make one cavalry mp

alright

[austere roost]

no, make 25 cav + mp

[neat widget]

Yeah

Complete scam

[warped river]

how do i even unlock the 5th slot

[austere roost]

so the mp equipment requried is the least

[neat widget]

Although 0.5 entrenchment isn't bad honestly

[warped river]

Ive never actually cared

about it

so i have NOP IDEA

no

[austere roost]

max out the corresponding subdoctrine

[neat widget]

Per battalion that is

[austere roost]

bu 20 cav + mp also works

[warped river]

which is the subdoctrine

do i just need a maxed

[austere roost]

use the cav spirit to save on cav xp

[warped river]

subdoctrne

[warped river]

I see

[austere roost]

check your own

it depends on grand doctrine

[warped river]

alright then

[neat widget]

BTW if you have arms against tyranny you should do assault infantry

Mountaineers > normal infantry

[hoary glen]

Big Inf entrenched in mountains plus lv2 or 3 forts with AA in the Divs

[uncut narwhal]

is mobile warfare good for mech bricks?

[sly mica]

AA?

sorry im a noob

[austere roost]

we um just talked about how mobile warfare sucks

[austere roost]

anti air artillery

[uncut narwhal]

anything you would change on this setup?

[austere roost]

why all the mechs?

you're not putting spgs in them?

[uncut narwhal]

these are my tanks

i just had nothing to put factories on

[foggy bison]

Playing as Italy, took Gibraltar, cant move ships to La manche because inaccessible... why?

[austere roost]

add two mobile aa and replace support art with light tank recon

[austere roost]

hover over the crossing icon over gibraltar and it will tell you current status of the strait

[uncut narwhal]

ok yea light tank recon is a good shout

[foggy bison]

Says I should be able to pass yet the whole Atlantic ocean is striped red

[neat widget]

so is the western end of the med btw

so you need to change your naval base, you have too little range

[iron veldt]

it’s the enemy naval dominance

[austere roost]

1. you can't move ships manually when they're on missions 2. you're in taranto so not enough range

[foggy bison]

How do I change base?

[austere roost]

no it's not

[neat widget]

enemy naval dominance is in the western approaches and the channel, not off portugla

[neat widget]

there's a gear icon and a button next to the gear icon with the name of your current base

[austere roost]

click the button that says taranto in your fleet and right click on another base

[neat widget]

yeah and it's taranto, probably change it to brest

[foggy bison]

Thank you this worked

there is zero chance Id be able to find it on my own

I though maybe its the base, but couldnt find anything in UI lol

[austere roost]

you have to move your cursor around to discover things. Unfortunately base hoi4 ui sucks

[keen hemlock]

why am i not gaining autonomy for this lend lease?

[edgy horizon]

What kind of tanks would you recommend building for the US (and in general) in multiplayer? Medium tanks or TD?

[austere roost]

heavy tds

but it also depends

if your opponent is a noob and doesn't build tanks then you should use tds with the highest soft attack available gun. if your opponent is a normie you want max hard atk. if your opponent is really good and mixes in specials with tds then you need a high soft attack gun again

actually I have a question. If you build rgs you'll find that the factories are operating at only 10% efficiency. Is there a reason for this? Why not just make the rgs 10x the cost?

[hollow jewel]

yo

i cant join MP lobbies unless im extremely lucky

it just says timed out

[thorn belfry]

Does anybody know if elephants count the same as cavalry for benefits from the mounted infantry subdoctrine? Asking for a friend

[hoary glen]

Anti air guns as a support company. You need to build these in your equipment tab and the add it in the support slot to your div.

If you're a big beginner I can rather recommend Germany for trial by fire or something chill like Canada or Australia. Always on historical

[hoary glen]

Railway guns?

[austere roost]

yeah

[hoary glen]

US you need medium Amphib build if you have to land DDay yourself. Else it's France role in the Allies to do Tanks. You always do heavy Tanks. TDs are breakthrough starved. 8-9 Tanks and 8 Mech. Ger on DDay with red air needs at least one AA tank.

[hoary glen]

Paradox disabled effi gain for them, so they only build at base effi. So if you play conc you can't build them ( takes decades). You can only build them on dispersed.

[austere roost]

oh that's why

you can build them in half a year but it costs a lot

[hoary glen]

Wheel of fortune ahh balance

[austere roost]

and it takes a year to build super heavy rg using concentrated

[hoary glen]

Yeah

Only possible on Germany or other mil bloat nation

[austere roost]

so basically instead of 1600 cost for super heavy rg, I am spending 16k ic

[errant chasm]

How do I get full compliance after winning the SJ war as Japan? I got full collab gov

[austere roost]

that's like 500 fighters or 2 36w armor divisions

[dusty sandal]

In peace conference you need to annex all the warlords first and only then take nationalist china (turn 2)

You may skip a few turns at first to have enough score to do both back to back

[neat widget]

annex warlords first then china

well, i didn't see francis already say that, but yeah

[dusty sandal]

We basically sent it at the same time

[fleet rivet]

Francis just better

Clearly

[hoary glen]

Speed mogged

[errant chasm]

I was just practing SJ war as Japan. I think this game I did well, I only slowed down because I had to wait for the third collab to be finished

[subtle socket]

yeah for defense

u wanna stack entrenchment

this is a real game of me as netherlands in mp

thats without defensive posture tho i went large unit but i think defensive woulda been even more effective at the modifier stacking

[austere roost]

in mp ppl attack with just inf?

[subtle socket]

no this is obviously just for a screenshot

hard to rly pause the game and get an ss while its 3 speed i had to save the game and see it

[austere roost]

ok

did you add dozer blades if you used armor?

[errant chasm]

I annexed the warlords then china and I got this. Better but, not all of the states were cored.

[subtle socket]

yeah i did dozer light recon support

[neat widget]

well most of that entrenchment comes from elsewhere presumably, no?

[foggy bison]

Got my ass kicked as Italy in sea-lion...
I tried standard 9/0 infantry with support companies and it got obliterated by 30+ UK divs

The problem I supposed is that I cant do Tanks + air + navy (carriers so planes for them are needed) all at once and German AI just sits there chokes in the corner...
Has anyone done it recently without goinf for all of balkans early? (including greece, turkey etc)

[subtle socket]

doctrine engineer 2s

the engineer doctrine

netherland buffs

[dusty sandal]

Keep in mind that swapping ideology resets compliance

[subtle socket]

but regardless of the fact entrenchment is rly strong for defense stacking

[iron veldt]

wdym 9/0 with support

[austere roost]

you want 36w if you want to push

[subtle socket]

modifier way better than base modifier almost always

[austere roost]

also the choice of supports matters a lot

[foggy bison]

I mean 9 inf no line artillery, + AA + Artillery + recon + logi support companies

[errant chasm]

I failed to annex manchuria before the sj war which was why i did the focuses to reduce manchu automony first.

but yeah rush fascist as japan next time

[austere roost]

that's for holding the line against ai

it's not for pushing

also logistics is pretty much useless for 18w inf

[foggy bison]

ok, will try 36w

is line artillery good for pushing or just inf?

[neat widget]

is this on individual excellence?

[austere roost]

no it sucks

if you can do 36w special forces

[foggy bison]

no, should I do it?

Is it worth adding tanks/amphibious tanks to my marines or just go for infantry?

[austere roost]

ie is the best inf subdoctrine because it adds so much hp and buffs

if you want to you can just go for 9 med spg 9 inf or mech against ai

[thorn belfry]

Would you agree that this is conditional due to the massive buffs to some specific unit types some countries get (especially in singleplayer)? i.e pretty much all of the downsides of cavalry compared to regular infantry are counteracted so completely by the timurid branch for aghanistan that they become actually viable (Although I will admit I mainly just do it because it's funny)

[foggy bison]

Is it worth doing carriers as italy or is it overkill, and just upgrading battleships and building light cruisers is enoughto wipe out uk? (with fire control of course)?

[subtle socket]

ie is best inf sub doctrine if ur doing tanks

other wise assault and large unit are better

[austere roost]

i don't have GOE dlc so I can't answer that sorry

[thorn belfry]

30% cav attack and 35% cav defense

[subtle socket]

cav is good but it doesnt get all tbe infantry buffs

even with the cav doctrine and being on a cav nation its good but it can still be slightly better if u min max inf

mountineers on almost any nation is stronger than cav on all nations id say

[thorn belfry]

What would you guys say the best doctrinal loadout is (singleplayer) in your opinion?

[thorn belfry]

How do you get around the special forces cap?

[subtle socket]

theres many exploits to bypass it

easiest way to deploy 200 2 widths convert them to the biggest unit u have them change as many mountys as u can then delete the rest of the divs wait for the mounties to get strength and ur good

[jaunty vigil]

Im playing as communist china and have more war points than china, but for some reason every state i recaptire from japan goes to them, and now they have 150 factories and me only 40, how do i win?

also, i took korea and whitout a white peace they just proclaimed themselevs as korea :/

[gusty hinge]

i think you are fighting with them, and that you recaptured the land they had and it extended

i think you just need to wait for the peace conference to take land

[jaunty vigil]

there wont be a peace conference, japan will white peace

[gusty hinge]

yeah you can’t do anything about that

did u declear the war by urself or did u join china

[jaunty vigil]

bruh communist china is so stupid i captured like all manchuko and stuff and it went to china

[jaunty vigil]

the faciton leader is me

(for now)

and japan declared on us

Rn its 1943, im thinking of declaring war on germany to extend the war so i keep peace conference points

[gusty hinge]

if japan decleared on you i think you automatically join china to fight the war

[jaunty vigil]

damn

[gusty hinge]

since u can go through their land

[jaunty vigil]

So they get the white peace optioN?

[jaunty vigil]

We are in a faction in which im the leeader

[gusty hinge]

even if u are the leader of the faction

doesn’t change a thing

you can be germany and help italy in africa

the land will go to italy still

[jaunty vigil]

italy i understand because they have cores on it but in this case me and china bnoth have cores so i dont understand why all the provinces go to them

Like how am i supposed to win they have 4x my factory count

[gusty hinge]

you win by them just trying to push you

they will have 0 supply

no planes

[jaunty vigil]

they have planes, and they also have supply hubs near me

should i build forts?

[gusty hinge]

just go behind the river and hold

they will never push you out

you can build forts also

[jaunty vigil]

Though i can infiltrate them

[gusty hinge]

you just need fighters to kill their cas

[jaunty vigil]

and try to cap them before the war even starts

[gusty hinge]

even with 100% collab

they will not die soon

plus supply is really shit when pushing

[jaunty vigil]

100% colllab + The infiltration system that makes provinces flip to me

i need like 2000 more political power to guarantee a chinese cap

[gusty hinge]

yeah i never played communist china

so i never knew that existed

[jaunty vigil]

Rn my strategyu is just to extend the war and hope allies land before japan white peace

and to stall the war so I can get poltiical power and infiltrate them

[gusty hinge]

i don’t think china will cap japan soon

since they have like no navy

[jaunty vigil]

The allies will

its 1943

[gusty hinge]

wtf you been doing entire game

the game is almost over

[jaunty vigil]

Pushing the japanese away

Bro communist China is EXTREMLY weak

You start with like 1 factory

[gusty hinge]

just wait on the mountain

[austere roost]

communist china has some of the most op mios

[gusty hinge]

china can’t kill you than

[jaunty vigil]

Whats mios

[austere roost]

or is it regular china

[jaunty vigil]

communist china

[austere roost]

actually both have crazy strong navy mios

[jaunty vigil]

with the new dlc

[austere roost]

militiary industrial orgs

[jaunty vigil]

Oh these

[austere roost]

yeah shenyang gives 15% output on modern small airframes

jiangnan starts with -15% cost and additional -10% for carriers and cruisers

[jaunty vigil]

Thats cool but i dont even have a coastal province

China took everything

I shouldve gotten all these territories but for some reason paradox decided it all goes to them ;?

:/

[keen hemlock]

Worst counties too

[jaunty vigil]

Also i have -40 steel

[austere roost]

-25% from jiangnan and -10% from coastal means -35% cost on carriers

[snow saddle]

im trying to make a server to host hoi4 games, does anyone have a ruleset available

[gusty hinge]

why didn’t you attack north?

[gusty hinge]

alt his or his?

[keen hemlock]

Which one for production

[jaunty vigil]

I did the 2 border conflicts before japan attacked me

and i managed to push them out but every province went to china

[austere roost]

it's jiangnan

[gusty hinge]

i mean if u pushed japan

you could of pushed china too

[vital plinth]

Whats difference between using a 36 withd and 2 18 witdh is it the HP and less man power loss ?

[lunar notch]

i guess 18 width divisions are easier to defeat?

they have fewer men and less organization

[red mesa]

2 x 18 widths in defence will have more org and HP, attacking divisions will have their damage spread across both

when attacking, the 36 width division has higher individual stats, as long as it has breakthrough and doesn't have too many low org/hp battalions, it will break defending divisions faster than 2x 18 widths on attack would

[lunar spoke]

aight bro ill try 32w

[red mesa]

additionally, the smaller divs taking less width means they can cycle in and out (reinforcement) more easily

[lunar spoke]

late games this iss broskie sorry

low org

[oak hamlet]

I had like 50% land support for trotskyist civil war but i got like 20% of the divisions. Why?

[austere roost]

also just to add, we make 18w because we don't have enough ic

if we have enough ic (germany, ussr) then we can just build all 36 or even 38w units

[bleak jasper]

Is this normal?

[iron veldt]

are their any map mods that are ironman compatible

[iron veldt]

no

[slate nimbus]

can this 36 width div be of pure infantry if my country cant produce tanks/spgs that fast?

[austere roost]

yes, just use assault infantry subdoctrine if you don't plan to use armor unit

[red mesa]

yeah, but special forces or mech would be preferrable

[slate nimbus]

thats a subdoctrine of which doctrine?

superior firepower?

[slate nimbus]

special forces like mountaneers?

[red mesa]

aye

[austere roost]

of infantry

all grand doctrines have access to the subdoctrines

for grand gbp is the best

[dusky fern]

How can i land in uk

[slate nimbus]

oh grand battleplan
im on superior firepower

[austere roost]

sfp is also good

but subdoctrines and doctrines are different things

[oak hamlet]

I had like 50% land support for trotskyist civil war but i got like 20% of the divisions. Why?

[slate nimbus]

should i just switch to Grand Battleplan for Italy? i dont really like its buffs as much but i suppose it might be necessary given the country

[austere roost]

gbp buffs are better for offense

but the difference is minimal

[dusky fern]

Oy vey

How do i invade uk

[slate nimbus]

oh so i can keep pushing Superior Firepower? i dont wanna change it again because it will reset the mastery progress i already got from battle (im already at the stage i help out Germany)

[slate nimbus]

naval invasion?

[dusky fern]

Ye just tryna land

[slate nimbus]

well first youd want some naval superiority in the areas the convoys will go thru so the attack indeed goes thru

so the English channel

[keen hemlock]

fps map

[austere roost]

if you took it then you can keep it, it's just that next time you can try out gbp

mass assault is like so-so and mw has been shit since nsb came out

[iron veldt]

is the claims on poland focus necessary for soviet union

like do you still do the half & half with germany if you don’t do it

[slate nimbus]

ive always heard that Mass Asault was ass

[slate nimbus]

ill note it, but itll probably be for another country

[thorn belfry]

Does anyone know what the current ship meta is? I've heard it's light cruisers but I'm unsure (recently decided to get into navy)

[thin nebula]

Mp or sp?

[thorn belfry]

Singleplayer

[thin nebula]

Personally i just do carriers and destroyers

Torpedo destroyers

[velvet niche]

AHHHH I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY IT WONT LET ME FORM WEST ROME

bruh it was liechestein

[austere roost]

Because 95% of hoi players have the reading skills of a second grader

[thorn belfry]

Different stats for land, army, naval, and air support; hover over the icon in the decisions tab to check each value

[oak hamlet]

Land was at 50% still outnumbered

[vital geode]

Are you sure you were, or was the estimate just wacky

[oak hamlet]

Oh is it an estimate?

[vital geode]

AI distributes its forces unevenly so some areas might have more troops and some less

[vital geode]

if it says between 26-90, it is somewhere in between there

[oak hamlet]

Idk man it was i think my second left opp run

It was 50% but i got 60k and stalin like +150k

[vital geode]

In either case, the more VPs you take, the more of the army flips to you

Like they will desert and change sides mid war

[oak hamlet]

So % doesnt mean much if you dont take provinces?

[vital geode]

what i mean is when the war fires

Take as much land as possible

[oak hamlet]

I chose ufa💀

[vital geode]

Because that will result in events causing divisions to change sides

Where in the world is that

You always pick Ukraine

[oak hamlet]

Urals

[vital geode]

Maybe Archanglesk

[oak hamlet]

Yeah should have picked odessa

Just under juicy ukraine states

Which should help a lot

Much better than idk siberia

[sly elbow]

where do i report bugs to the devs?

[jaunty vigil]

is there anytthing that influence the odds

[slate nimbus]

fair enough
im relatively a newbie so id rather not opine on that matter

[wild rune]

too true😭

[vital geode]

Honestly, wouldn't it be better if they didn't so you can just annex them and not have to slowly integrate them?

Probably based on your strength

Unit wise and industry wise

Maybe some faction contribution

Though if you have high faction contribution, you might as well just annex China for free via peaceful reunification

[jaunty vigil]

i am extremly weak

i have 40 factories, china has ~200

[vital geode]

Oof

Did you do the infiltration stuff

So you can yoink land

[jaunty vigil]

Ya but china accepted my request

ill sllowly inteegrate them

[vital geode]

Oh dang, nice

[jaunty vigil]

is this a normal front for 1944 or are the sovoiets losing for some reason

[vital geode]

Soviet ai lost Moscow in 1942 in my game to ai Germany

[jaunty vigil]

oh so soviets dont always win if you dont interfere with them?

i thought in historical they always end up pushing back

[vital geode]

Before the recent update, yes

Currently, I think it might be 50/50

[jaunty vigil]

germany got the oil fields in azerbaijan am i cooked

[vital geode]

You can always defeat the ai... usually

[native gorge]

So like do you have to be docked to get planes into carriers?

[thin nebula]

no

you can add them at any time they do take time to deploy like regular planes however

[undone frost]

ts is a tuff division right

[subtle socket]

how u give ur self max tech and still have less stats than normal tanks

[unique trout]

what it the meaning of this?

[small scroll]

anyone knows some mods where you can change the maps to other years like the millennia dawn or another mod that makes your map to 1492

[undone frost]

holy slow

also i was joking

i just made the most expensive division i could make

[austere roost]

in sp you don't need that much breakthrough

[lunar notch]

my god are these

motorized line aa

[austere roost]

Yeah

[peak thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/miguelillorl-king-nasir-dance-randomlife-zapatos-una-cosita-gif-1945223208845987384

[dense stone]

What is a good strat bombing amount per 1940 medium airframe?
I don't know because too low is useless but too much means bad agility and very expensive

[feral forge]

whats a good paratrooper template?

[uncut narwhal]

strat bombing with tacs?

[dense stone]

yeah, but medium airframe, deffinetely can't afford large

[uncut narwhal]

medium airframes cant strat bomb tho?

[dense stone]

mb I'm stupid I forgot

[hoary glen]

SP or MP and are you building heavy fighter escorts?

Tbh didn't read medium frame. On medium frame you just fit how many bomb slots you can. You're limited to I think two anyway.

[indigo sapphire]

are pre dreadnoughts and panzer ships good to use as germany?

[light knoll]

no not really

build destroyers

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[patent forge]

What is better to destroy enemy navy with just planes, port strike or naval bombing? and which stat is needed for port strike, ground attack or naval attack?

also do I need surface dettection for port strike

[gusty hinge]

naval bombing kills their navy

port striking is dmging their infra and ports so it harder for them to repair the ships

[gusty hinge]

you don’t

[molten kite]

if im playing as france, how do i get a stronger airforce than germany in 1939/1940

[spark cedar]

What is the cheapest meta infantry div

Like the space marines

Someone said they are good but I don't know how to make them

[rigid tundra]

Are guarantees bugged now?

Justifying on Netherlands pretty much at start of game (as soon as I reach 50pp) and the UK guarantees them, I only generated 8% world tension and the wt was at 13%.

[tough wedge]

the UK is a democracy and thats why he can jsut gaurantee nations, you mightve been something other than a democracy

[rigid tundra]

I'm aware of that, but for the past few years I've been playing UK has never guarnateed that early.

As one of the meta strats for germany is to take out netherlands at start of game to get the DEI rubber.

[tough wedge]

were you on randomized?

[rigid tundra]

Historical

[tough wedge]

this question was stupid

the UK can gaurante anyone at a random time, i was once hungary against romania, then the UK suddenly gauranteed romania in 1939 so its randomized which time it can happen

[glossy spindle]

That happened to me once too.

[rigid tundra]

I don't think you understand what i'm asking.

The mechanic used to be the allies (uk primarily) would guarantee your targets IF you had created more than 10% world tension or the overall world tension was above 15%

But ever since the most recent update the UK is guaranteeing extremely early, i'm talking 1936.

With no WT.

[tough wedge]

they removed that in the POUT dlc, so the UK can gaurantee freely now and with focuses in case of historical

[rigid tundra]

Was that in patch notes anywhere?

Because all that change seems to do is essentially make it impossible to early war.

[tough wedge]

i dont think so
it might be a shadow update

[gusty hinge]

you can't

unless u just make a army to hold the line with forts and network

but u will need to play passive and build figthers so their cas can't push you out

[devout imp]

I (the US) took over leadership of the Entente, but the colour didn't change to blue. does anyone know if this is a bug or intended?

[gusty hinge]

its intended

[devout imp]

that is unfortunate

i could've sworn this was a feature before

[gusty hinge]

you can change it with the consol

console*

[devout imp]

how do i do that?

[gusty hinge]

wait are you the leader of faction?

[devout imp]

yeah

not the starting leader, but I took leadership of it

[gusty hinge]

if u have console enabled (if u don't go to settings , game options than find enable console) than open it with ~ and than type this tag_color [nation_tag] [R] [G] [B]

[devout imp]

that changes the colour of the faction?

sounds more like it changes the colour of my nation

[gusty hinge]

thats the pointt

idk what color u are tho

[devout imp]

im just United States blue

and i thought the Entente would also turn blue when I take leadership

but

it hasnt

[pearl valley]

Does anybody have a good Strat to get the eternal empire and the democratic Japan achievement?

[oak hamlet]

Why arent my training ships gaining any exp?

[austere roost]

Do you have fuel

[tired moon]

how am I out of fuel? it says i have

[wise bloom]

who here is like really good at the game and would be able to teach a complete noob

[spark cedar]

yo

can someone help like my troops in germany are not even doing anything to the ai its so strange

yesterday they melted poland in 2 mins now their like getting 1m death toll from poland

[uncut narwhal]

send a screenshot

[spark cedar]

im just using basic

litteraly nothing changed

[uncut narwhal]

of the situation too

[spark cedar]

oh i already went back a save

[uncut narwhal]

still sent one

[uncut narwhal]

ok so do you have air?

[spark cedar]

making right now

[uncut narwhal]

and do you only have inf?

[uncut narwhal]

so no air in stockpile?

[spark cedar]

Inf only right now and no air currently not in stockpile im researching 1940 its nearly done

[uncut narwhal]

your a bit late for air

you want air by war

and dont only use that inf div

its not great for pushing

[spark cedar]

im not doing like historical route, im teaming with USSR then eating poland then just trying to get UK

[uncut narwhal]

allying with the soviets doesnt directly benefit you that much

everybody in europe

basically joins the allies

[spark cedar]

meh its wierd i had like a great run yesterday, i made some funky space marine and it destoryed all allies except UK but today seems like i cant even beat poland

[uncut narwhal]

prolly because of the space marines

and you could get a lot more inf

you have 3 million manpower

[spark cedar]

i cant remember how to make them anymore

[uncut narwhal]

bro what

[spark cedar]

i made like an OP armoued tank but i tried today and it takes like a year to get the amount i need for all my divs for some reason

[uncut narwhal]

did you change difficulty?

[spark cedar]

nope

[uncut narwhal]

just produce the chassis early

and then convert it later

as germany you can like get 24x 36w tank divs

[spark cedar]

i legit cant remember what the best tank or how to make the tank

for space marine

[uncut narwhal]

you just need armor on the tank

for a space marine

[spark cedar]

how much armour

[uncut narwhal]

soft attack is also goo

d

[uncut narwhal]

the div should have around like 40 or 50

i think

just as much as you can

while getting enough tanks out

[spark cedar]

ok im making more inf them im fighting poland with ussr then getting france

if i fail again ill restart and try get tanks and air early

[uncut narwhal]

watch segl guide for germany

[spark cedar]

oh ok

[subtle thorn]

does anyone have good guide video for ethiopia

[hollow jewel]

not vid but i do

[bronze flume]

How do you fight japan as communist china

I have 9 divisions and won all the border wars

Mao path

[graceful shoal]

is this good

[uncut narwhal]

no

also

your not using any field marshals

[fierce patio]

how can u tell

[uncut narwhal]

because i can see the bottom of his screen and the theater menu

[fierce patio]

https://tenor.com/view/trvke-truth-nuke-true-bell-bell-ringing-gif-7368653659439932641

[wild rune]

Remove one heavy

40w is too much and is only viable in Urban and no other tile type

[tired moon]

how can I be more stable? playing as france and my stability is rubbish

[gusty hinge]

tell them to be happy

[tired moon]

.

[fierce patio]

st 1000

type in console

[tired moon]

how do I fix dis

i cant even train 1 division

i have no other special forces

[carmine thunder]

Are modern tanks really better than medium tanks if you can't put on small cannons

I'm looking at the stats of similar designs and advanced medium tank has higher soft and hard attack than modern

[verbal venture]

medium is better

[tired moon]

do I need to research special forces for this

[verbal venture]

i think is something of how big is your army

ýou would need a bigger one

[scenic vessel]

PLEASE how do i finish this francisco civil war they been stuck in galicia and neither ppushing in or out

[verbal venture]

i think in the doctrines of the special forces there is a max modifier

[scenic vessel]

i tried removing my troops for more supplies burt i still barely get any