ask-for-help-here

[glacial steeple]

and if you do civs in both youre already civgreeding heavy but maybe its okay

theres not really any early wars you can win i think?

@neat widget would know more when shes online

she plays iran like more than me

special forces

[final estuary]

ah

[glacial steeple]

for mountaineer

[final estuary]

ohhh

aight

[jagged hull]

Well I'm going to teach new beginners how navy works I'm free today

[glacial steeple]

put ship in fleet

[jagged hull]

I know but they need to know the screen, the attack and the capital

[remote sedge]

What are some ways to lower autonomy of puppets?

[jagged hull]

Buildings

That will lower the autonomy

[glacial steeple]

you make light cruiser

its rlly easy

[jagged hull]

DD,LC both of them are screens

[glacial steeple]

yes but CL does the most attack to enemy screens, when screening dies the fleet is useless

technically theres destroyer meta too but its still worse in sp

and it takes research

[jagged hull]

But I'm using it for single player

DD are easier to make

[glacial steeple]

what

no like theyll be less cost effective

they kill less, die more

you need like 1940 hull dds with torp 3

and a lot of visibility buffs

[proven cargo]

whats the best country to start learning the game as

[glacial steeple]

imo finland

[jagged hull]

Germany

[proven cargo]

because my economy just dies if im unable to get uk

as germany

[jagged hull]

Ah economy

[jagged hull]

Oh I have it

[proven cargo]

should I be doing economic growth instead of 4 year plan?

because it takes a while to get ready when I tried prioritise economic growth

[jagged hull]

Do you need help I can help you out

[proven cargo]

I gotta head to bed soon so not rn

[jagged hull]

Like I can make you get to finish the 4 year plan

[jagged hull]

Ah ok

[proven cargo]

cuz when I do check most guides they have dlcs

[red grove]

There is one thing I've always been confused about, should u just stop using infantry divisions to attack in late-game and switch it for mechanized/armored? Or do people use infantry AND armored to push?

[glacial steeple]

no

just dont make more than 1 civ on MEFO

your mil construction and production is insane

[proven cargo]

Gotcha

[glacial steeple]

it just punishes your civs which is like

whatever

[proven cargo]

So all my civs should only be from focuses

[glacial steeple]

you still have the output lol

[glacial steeple]

well you need 1 extra civ for the research slot focus after anschluss

but like idk, you dont really need them for anything else, you can occupy stuff for more

also you need refineries

mefo buffs them

make enough for your air production in like 1938 idk how bad your eco is

[proven cargo]

Also puppet or annex

[glacial steeple]

but like 100-150 on air is like 200-250 ish rubber

[glacial steeple]

annex 90% of the time

[proven cargo]

When do you prefer puppet over annex then

[glacial steeple]

when 1: no manpower to garrison

2: puppet gives more mils than annex

and second one is still like subjective because you never control ai eco or anything

but if youre fascist/japan and dont do collabs then puppeting is fine

[proven cargo]

Even with Goering?

[glacial steeple]

yes

[proven cargo]

Alr so I can get away with it for Germany

[glacial steeple]

dont do the RKs

theyre awful

they dont even core themselves

[light knoll]

or when territory has 0 factories

[proven cargo]

Alr

[glacial steeple]

but sure you can otherwise

[light knoll]

or can be broken into many separate small puppets to spwan factories

like. a single state puppets

[glacial steeple]

they made ai behavuour different

[light knoll]

wdym

[glacial steeple]

if its a 1 state puppet they do eco foci later

if its 2+ they still do it fast tho

[light knoll]

im pretty sure its rng?

[proven cargo]

What if it's like I invade Netherlands early and I puppet east indies to not lose my rubber?

[glacial steeple]

no

[light knoll]

huh

[glacial steeple]

well its still not forced behaviour

[light knoll]

where is the logic in that 😭

its so stupid

[glacial steeple]

like they could technically choose to do it earlier/later

but 1 state puppets always prioritize other stuff first

[light knoll]

the hell is 0 factories country gonna do with air focuses

[glacial steeple]

where 2+ state nations dont

[glacial steeple]

airbase

[light knoll]

useless

[glacial steeple]

4 airbases

[light knoll]

they don't have air

[glacial steeple]

its to prevent exploiting/abuse

but like it hardly works

just good to keep in mind

italy is perfectly fine

since all eth puppets have different trees

somalia has multiple states

libya also does

ig eritrea doesnt

croatia has 1 state that isnt your core so

idk if you wanna give up your core for more factory spawns

but yeah

[proven cargo]

Also what is meant by coring a state

[glacial steeple]

coring a state is like

you click on a state

it says core

you get 100% of manpower, factories, resources

sometimes non core is better

because you can get over 100% of factories and resources from it

if you have all dlcs and want to test this, raj starts with Aden

you get a state buff for compliance

then you put it on harsh quotas for +25% factories and you get 125% of factories there

but theres many times you can do this in game

[proven cargo]

I don't have dlcs nor do I have plans to buy them so far so I'm assuming I won't get the alt history focus paths for most countries

[glacial steeple]

its on hist path

i believe

idk if its dlc exclusive

but yeah you can do that sometimes depending on compliance

[proven cargo]

Ic

[glacial steeple]

when on liberated workers (communist occupation law) its quite common to get above 100% resources afaik

and 100% factories when compliance high

if full compliance its again more than 100%

so like idk, it depends

[proven cargo]

So full compliance ≠coring a state

Ic

[glacial steeple]

youll usually start with low compliance and fascist puppets give like 65% of mils 25% of civs

which is better than no compliance

yeah its a lot different

you also have to have garrisons when its non core

which isnt a huge deal but they can take losses so if its bad it can spiral

into millions of yearly off map deaths

[sick ginkgo]

whats the meta ship

[proven cargo]

What's the meta for reducing resistance then

[sick ginkgo]

cavalry with military police or the tank thing in the pinned messagese

cavalry is worse but cheaper

tank is better but you gotta produce a bit of them

[glacial steeple]

not being on military governor XD

[proven cargo]

I put them on local police but it's still high for a bit

[proven cargo]

Oh wait u can set that?

[glacial steeple]

harsh quotas/liberated workers for most factories, civillian oversight / local autonomy for most compliance, local police for least garrisons needed

[sick ginkgo]

i mean division template for occupied territories

[glacial steeple]

yeah because you need to build compliance, also all enemies of germany get like resistance buffs (norway, poland, france)

well not norway without dlc but yk

[proven cargo]

Ic

[light knoll]

yeah, they're worthless as puppets

[proven cargo]

Btw if compliance reaches 100% I won't have to worry about resistance anymore right?

[sick ginkgo]

so uh

[proven cargo]

Or will I still do

[light knoll]

italy has greater italy

[sick ginkgo]

so

[light knoll]

so no

[sick ginkgo]

whats the meta ship

[light knoll]

there's no "meta ship"

there are few possible builds

you can spam light cruisers with light attack

[sick ginkgo]

i mean

just to do sealion

[light knoll]

yea you can spam light cruisers, or torpedo destroyers, or whatever

[sick ginkgo]

okay

ill spam light cruisers and make template on ship designs pinned message

[glacial steeple]

@light knoll im with family can you help this poor guy

[light knoll]

you don't need ro worry about resistance in general

it won't usually be an issue

[proven cargo]

Ic

So rebellion basically never happens

Maybe a few damage to infrastructure but that's it?

[light knoll]

yea

[proven cargo]

K thanks

[sick ginkgo]

is light cruiser like that

1936 techs

[fathom thistle]

torpedo cl's probably outperform light attack cl's

[light knoll]

something like this

[fathom thistle]

@austere roost what do you think?

[austere roost]

Idk

[sick ginkgo]

oh okay

[austere roost]

What's the sonar for? You don't have asw in your cl

[light knoll]

i don't really know myself but what i have been told is that its rock paper scissors, cls beat la dds, la dds beat torp dds, and torp dds beat cls

and the ai does la dds, kinda

so cls are best

[fathom thistle]

interesting

[sick ginkgo]

what if we produce both cls and torp

[fathom thistle]

having 2 types of schreening ships is kinda counter-productive, might as well put those other docks for capitals

[sick ginkgo]

uhm okay

i know nothing about navy so like

[fathom thistle]

everyone learns

[sick ginkgo]

also uh

do i need to research navy techs to do sealion

or are cls with 1936 techs enough

wait i can easily research with these buffs from navy xp

[light knoll]

no

the ai is ass at navy

(even more than it is in any other thing)

[sick ginkgo]

i did some reasearch

to buff the batteries and armor

hope ill win sealion

[light knoll]

just group your entire fleet into one group

always engage never repair

[sick ginkgo]

hm

i once heard a strategy that contradicts this

to split each ship into a different group

(it was done with submarines)

[light knoll]

separate your submarines yes

they're slow and you don't want them in the main fleet

[sick ginkgo]

and all other ships into big group?

[light knoll]

except them, group everything together

[sick ginkgo]

k, did it, thanks!

[astral heath]

does political paranoia matter too much

[light knoll]

you need to rush the paranoia focuses

to get rid of it

of course you're limited on when you can so them but always do them asap

[runic sorrel]

if you leave it too long you will soon find out most of your generals are gone and your advisors

[austere roost]

You don't need to rush it immediately

Pretty much you can do 70 days of focus + Marxism leninism before going down Stalin's path

And don't do the center and left side of Stalin's focus

[inner sparrow]

you do want and should rush it tho to get baltics asap

not rushing first purge is insanely bad

[wintry gulch]

what is the best medium tank deisgn if you dont have all dlcs?

[slender junco]

How I can unlock the Anschluss? it require to have Heed von Neurath's Concerns and Reorganize the Wehrmacht but i can have only 1 of them

[austere roost]

No it isnt

Stalin's focuses all reduce paranoia so it's not worth it to do Stalin's focus immediately on Feb 4th

[austere roost]

Read the yellow part again

[austere roost]

Soft atk is the only thing that's mandatory in sp

[wintry gulch]

if you scroll down you can see what you need to do if you want to do anschluss

[slender junco]

oh yes, thanks, I'm not an English native language

[austere roost]

Does hoi4 have a translation for your language?

[slender junco]

no

wait I'm installing a mod fot translate the game

[astral heath]

what did i do wrong

i got invaded by japan in 1938

[glacial steeple]

hi chat

[inner mountain]

is there a way to not get iran or afganistan guaranteed? im doing the soviet onion anchivement and only iran and afganistan arent my puppets

i have only generated 8% world tention

i can invite iran into my faction

but is there a way to turn either of them communist?

[fossil dove]

guys, when i start a game, should i change all my divisions to infantry or keep them the way they are and change them later?

excluding the special forces, i keep them in general

[fathom thistle]

most of the preset templates suck so probably yeah

germany has good starting 18w inf template but thats it

[brazen panther]

can anyone tell me what in fuhrer's name are my ships doing

[fossil dove]

i change them to the infantry template that i have and then work on that

[austere roost]

Did you do alt hist

[brazen panther]

they're js going to the middle of the atlantic for no reason how do i fix this 😭

[brazen panther]

anyone answer?

[glacial steeple]

who playing

[fossil dove]

i see that the naval hub, i think it is called, it's not on auto so probably they don't have enought range

[glacial steeple]

theyre sitting there

[fossil dove]

in general

[glacial steeple]

theres no general answer

well the general answer is that usually you end up with 1-3 templates to use

[brazen panther]

i didnt command them to do anything and even removed orders to see if it would stop

[fossil dove]

ok, now i play as URSS

[brazen panther]

also northern dobrudja is not uhhhhhhh far from uhhhhhhhhhhhh the black sea

[fossil dove]

check the range, i can't help with anything else

[brazen panther]

also, i cant even right click and send them to theri home base, wont let me

[brazen panther]

its not the range is quite literally they arent moving to the location

[fossil dove]

ok, then i have no idea

[brazen panther]

me netiher vro 😭

ty anyway

[crisp ledge]

For Monarchist Italy, is it better to guarantee Austria and try to join the Allies, or to take the Italy First path and try to restore the Roman Empire?

[brazen panther]

anyoneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

plz

i ned help

[fossil dove]

you are welcomed

[fossil dove]

what are you trying to do?

[crisp ledge]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind restoring Rome, but ultimately I'm just trying to make it to 1945 intact.

[fossil dove]

ok, so if you go for Rome i think it's better to go Italy First

[crisp ledge]

Technically, Guarantee Austria and Mare Romanum aren't mutually exclusive, I think, but it definitely seems more geared towards Italy First.

[brazen panther]

anyone?????????

[fossil dove]

btw, if you just want rome then it's better to go with Dino Grandani

[brazen panther]

chat was just alive???

whys nobody helpin out?????

[fossil dove]

none of us are good at navy probably

[brazen panther]

yooooo anyone??????

[fossil dove]

active ones i mean

[brazen panther]

the team is

and they are gone

and not chatting

even thougb tyey are online

[scenic nacelle]

Idk just ignore it

[brazen panther]

how tho

i cant fo anythijg with my task force

[fossil dove]

maybe you have a mission in an other region

[scenic nacelle]

The Black Sea is behind a blocked strait

[brazen panther]

heck no i dont

ohh

[scenic nacelle]

So that will effect it

[brazen panther]

how do i get access to the strait?

[glacial steeple]

explain straits

without using current modern political events

[brazen panther]

ik what a strait is dw

how do i get access from turkey tho

[scenic nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

Or just invade turkey

And own the strait

[fossil dove]

as the urss, should i have only 32 combat width infantry?

i know they are use for defence, but i am curious

or should i mass produce 18 combat width infantry?

no

you get intel, but thats it

reconnaissance, thats what i think you get

no

i don't putt any recon company on my divisions and thats the cheap way

you're welcomed

i really don't know

you can bomb the crap out of your enemy, but that's it

and if you annex him you will have to repair the damage

it's good to starve him and be be able to defeat him

if you can build them, give them i go

i never tried

np

[twin kayak]

how do I get world tension up ?

[fossil dove]

as the urss, should i have only 32 combat width infantry?

[fossil dove]

focuses and war

[twin kayak]

well, I've done the whole focus tree

[fossil dove]

wich one?

[twin kayak]

and I can't start wars since I can't get world tension up

[twin kayak]

UK

just made the secure the oil thing

[fossil dove]

historical?

[twin kayak]

nothing else left

[twin kayak]

idk

I just clicked on what sounded fun

[fossil dove]

did germany do anything random?

or anyone

[twin kayak]

I played historical at the start, but idk if the focuses I took were historical

[fossil dove]

aaaaa

ok, so the ai is historical

well, 1st UK is democrat so you can't go to war as you please

2nd you can atack only the guys who generated world tension

[twin kayak]

should i switch to communism ? (they are the highest)

[fossil dove]

do you have man the guns?

[twin kayak]

how to make them generate it ?

[fossil dove]

well germany should do the jub

[twin kayak]

like 90 % of the world is in the allies

do I just kick them out and they will declare war on eachother eventually ?

[fossil dove]

wait, is there any germany left?

[fossil dove]

not really

i need more info

[twin kayak]

just a fraction

[fossil dove]

you have finished tha game basically

[twin kayak]

so no world conquest ?

man

I am so well prepared to kick their asses

[fossil dove]

you can try see who generated world tension and go after them, but at this size it's pointless

UK isn't the best for world conquest, if you don't have the man the guns dlc

[twin kayak]

what does it do ?

[fossil dove]

it adds costum ship designs and some focus trees

[austere roost]

mtg is now in base game

[fossil dove]

better look on yt for it before you take a decision

[twin kayak]

what country is the best for a world conquest ?

[fossil dove]

germany in the base game

[twin kayak]

except germany

[fossil dove]

urss maybe?

[nocturne trout]

I haven't played all but I would say Germany, Italy is good too. You won't require high world tension to start wars that way.

[austere roost]

Germany/Italy/Japan/ussr

The majors that start with a lot of soldiers

[twin kayak]

ok

[fossil dove]

try to make guys join coalisions so when the majors capitulate you get more land

[twin kayak]

will re try germany then

[austere roost]

Ussr has nkvd focus which means it can justify faster

[fossil dove]

yes, but i think that uk with the man the guns dlc is best

you have a focus that get's a war with any major

this way you can push small nations in an alliance with them so you don't have to wait as much

[nocturne trout]

Would you say it's worth it to get the subscription for the DLC's?

[fossil dove]

in the long run a subscrition is not that good

[nocturne trout]

I have had the game for a few months, got 2 of them and frankly love this game but was wondering if it'd be better to just buy the rest

[fossil dove]

any subscrition

[inner sparrow]

it is worth to do the first purge asap just so u can get baltics asap, pls if u clearly don’t know about it don’t talk

this might be the worst statement ive seen about sov focus order

[fossil dove]

in the long run you pay more, that if you stick to the game

[nocturne trout]

True

[fossil dove]

try buying dlc when they are cheaper

[nocturne trout]

I'll wait for a steam sale

[fossil dove]

and pick them carefully

[nocturne trout]

Hopefully get some for cheap

[fossil dove]

they are like 20$ each at the lowest

and they are a lot

of dlc's

[austere roost]

you start stalin's focuses on April 7th, there's not that big a difference

you want to rush baltics? you'll need nkvd focus anyway

[inner sparrow]

ofc there is, delaying baltics no matter how much time is not worth it, u want to get them as early as possible and that’s the whole reason for purge rush

yes its less important in sp

[fossil dove]

try rushing the focus that stops the paranoia

[inner sparrow]

but doesn’t change that its not optimal delaying them

[austere roost]

Don't tell me you're doing the baltics focus

If you want to actually rush down baltics you do nkvd focus then early war them

Delaying purge by 70 days is not a big deal

[inner sparrow]

if u don’t play hist sure yeah

[inner sparrow]

ofc it is

its 70 days for no reason debuffing urself longer lol

paranoia is not a problem if u rush it

[austere roost]

What's the debuff? You don't get any new paranoia

[inner sparrow]

what ur doing is just worse

holy ignorant

[austere roost]

It's like 20 more paranoia which is just a production report

[inner sparrow]

its fine vro

[austere roost]

You don't do production reports early otherwise anyway

[inner sparrow]

ur clearly know so much more about optimized sov than mehaahaha

[inner sparrow]

u don’t click any report

its not needed

u don’t have to waste a single pp click on it

[austere roost]

What? Please don't tell me you do the left and center paths of purge

[inner sparrow]

im talking about playing sov hist so

[austere roost]

Oh so hist? So are you going to rush down the purge path or do the purge historically and end in 1939?

Cuz last time I checked purge continued until 1939

[inner sparrow]

obv hist just means staying with the hist focus paths like bro stop the rage bait

its fine vro, can u teach sov for us in mp pls bc u know so much like fr

[hoary glen]

Me when I wait until June 44 to DDay 👴

[inner sparrow]

ur totally not trolling with what ur doing

[inner sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195828379602133124/1489617032218673335/attachment.gif

[austere roost]

I don't get why you're so mad that purge starts 70 day later so you get 10 more stab more spies, and faster justification time

[glacial steeple]

same

why doesnt vanilla mp make d day wait until june 44 are they dumb

[inner sparrow]

bc u legit don’t struggle with stab anymore after doc changes or pp nd speis aswell like what???

[hoary glen]

Meanwhile the Sovs holding in Vladivostok

[inner sparrow]

u get 4 spies instant after faction goals added

[austere roost]

You known the center focus gives you paranoia reduction if you do it after paranoia goes online right?

[inner sparrow]

and u don’t need more

[austere roost]

Dude ussr starts at 23 stab

[inner sparrow]

but u dont care about paranoia going higher like it doesn’t matter

as long as u rush it

ur gonna be fine

meanwhile delaying everything else is just worse

[austere roost]

And when are you getting that 4th spy by doing all the faction goals?

[glacial steeple]

realism

[austere roost]

It's delaying by 70 days for other important buffs

[inner sparrow]

doing purges on time while rushing for research slot and baltics if not doing it with manual is just better

[hoary glen]

It's really important to play frame perfectly in SP to beat up AI still using 10w lts with motorized as the main tank force (6 in total)

[inner sparrow]

u get it like instant bc spy master gives u 2 spy agency upgrades

[austere roost]

The main bottleneck for 4th research slot is 100 factories not when you start the purge

[inner sparrow]

for free

[inner sparrow]

u can rush that btw :)

its not hard

[austere roost]

The earlier you get to 8 spies the earlier you can steal tech from both Germany and italy

[inner sparrow]

I can show u

[inner sparrow]

😭

I respect the tech stealing honestly

only valid point

u said so far

[austere roost]

Even if you don't justify war goals getting internal affairs before going down center path is much better

Trust me paranoia isn't hard to manage

[inner sparrow]

its not

it’s straight up not btw

[nocturne trout]

Might be being an idiot here but could you clarify what SP is? I'm not used to all of the abbreviations

[inner sparrow]

truke

[fathom thistle]

singleplayer

[hoary glen]

Single player

[nocturne trout]

Ah

Makes sense, thank you

[hoary glen]

Opposite of that is MP (Multiplayer) which usually refers to all relevant nations being player controller as well as coop which usually means you with a few friends vs AI

[austere roost]

I'm going to say this one last time: paranoia doesn't give you debuffs unless you mismanage it, and starting center focus 70 days later doesn't change your paranoia accumulation because all center focuses reduce paranoia. If you don't want to do nkvd focus you can still do internal affairs and the industry focus that gives you 2 civs early. That's way better than getting 25 pp and deletable nkvd divisions in March 1936

[nocturne trout]

That's very useful to know. I appreciate it, thank you again.

[inner sparrow]

In sp I can accept some parts of it but even then I disagree to some parts but that’s because of other matters. But the moment u don’t get baltics through war goal and have to do focus bc u want to follow some hist or self rule or ur playing mp its insanely int to delay any purges

[heady skiff]

So ummm the south collapsed and its about to be 1941, Germany STILL has not declared on Poland so its looking KINDA bleak...

What do I even do

;-;

[inner sparrow]

also u can rush for finish five year plan as 7th focus btw

[heady skiff]

I can probably hold for a few more years?

[inner sparrow]

for rushing research slot

[austere roost]

If you want to self sabotage by wasting 105 days worth of focus and 225 pp for baltics then that's your freedom

[nocturne trout]

I assume it's a non historical playthrough?

[heady skiff]

Nope

[nocturne trout]

Oh

Damn

[austere roost]

That 105 days could be used for more military buffs or faster completion of 3rd 5yp

[heady skiff]

💔

[nocturne trout]

Idk man, try to find anyone you can ally with and get lend leases from, pray

[hoary glen]

You disrupted the history, so this timeline is one for you to explore now

[heady skiff]

I mean casualties are pretty good

[nocturne trout]

That is actually very good

[inner sparrow]

u don’t want to complete 5yrs too fast else ur gonna sabotage urself research wise and 99% of mp lobbies force u to go through focus

[heady skiff]

Just ignore my casualties and its going well

[inner sparrow]

and some players do it for the hist gameplay

[nocturne trout]

What's your manpower looking like?

[hoary glen]

You can try to make a few big divisions (32 w Inf or better Mountaineer) and then you can start making a few pushes to start and encircle German units. From there on you can expand.

[inner sparrow]

just how ger players do their focuses for war even tho they can 10day declare

[nocturne trout]

Roughly 1:3 you're good

[heady skiff]

Extensive with 100k left

[austere roost]

And also I told you that even if you don't want to justify war manually getting 10 stab and 2 free civs early on in 70days is much better

Because anschluss and sudetenland and Czech focus gives cores/50 compliance

[heady skiff]

The only reason Im still alive is because earlier in the war I encircled all of Germany's armoured forces. Which gave me time to make more divs

[inner sparrow]

if u don’t do it through justifying, delaying purge by 70 days is delaying baltics for 70 days

😭

[inner sparrow]

thats not war focuses??

my guy holy shit

[austere roost]

That's just self sabotaging. Don't need to teach others to do that in sp

[inner sparrow]

no one was talking about not doing anschluss and other shut

what are u even typing?

[austere roost]

If you don't do those focuses then you need to manually declare war on them so yeah these focuses are replacements of justifying war

You think you take nkvd focus just for fun?

[inner sparrow]

bro genuinely what are u talking about at this point

[heady skiff]

Oh so the Allies ARE able to join my war, just Ethiopia is capped and wont invite them 😭

[nocturne trout]

Okay my best idea at the moment which honestly isn't that great, slap on as many infantry as you can onto your template, request as many lend leases as you can from anyone out there willing, increase your conscription to service by requirement, train up a few extra divisions say maybe 12 and force them into smaller more direct thrusts to cut off supplies. Again I am not sure it will work but it's likely this, drag others into war, or try to hold out as long as possible

[austere roost]

The point is, don't preach your mp house rules to newbies

[inner sparrow]

bro like ur not getting it

the secret tech

u need to learn it

[heady skiff]

Germany WILL do around the maginot soon trust

[inner sparrow]

don’t preach the fake teachings to newbies

u only are allowed to manually justify in sp if ur playing non hist, thats the unspoken golden rule

[nocturne trout]

And for the divs, make a divisison template with a single cavalry, train a few then swap them out, they'll get experience and supplies as they go

[inner sparrow]

and ur breaking that one with ur skibbidi techs

like u need to learn that this is a no go

[austere roost]

That's self sabotaging

[nocturne trout]

Hopefully

But you can't count on it

[austere roost]

The game lets you do something so why not do it?

[inner sparrow]

erm this is self sabotaging, how dare u try to play a bit historical in this game

[nocturne trout]

You may not have the time and even if they do, what's to say Poland joins, if they don't chances are france will still fall quickly

[inner sparrow]

😠

[heady skiff]

Its cooked, German tanks just DESTROYED the forts

[nocturne trout]

And if they do then the british, americans they won't land for some tand

*time

[inner sparrow]

u have to be ragebaiting

it’s fine

[nocturne trout]

Oof

[austere roost]

Only you are making a big fuss about it

Maybe stop being so puritan on stupid focuses that demand you 105 days time and 225 pp

[inner sparrow]

ur breaking the golden rules vro

not me

smh

[austere roost]

Spend that pp on better things

[inner sparrow]

😭

stop rule breaking bro

[heady skiff]

Its so fried

[inner sparrow]

how dare you not play hist in the hist gameplay

man

[nocturne trout]

Yeah ngl, you might be a bit cooked

Just a bit charred

[austere roost]

I've never heard of this rule before, it's not in server rules and I've never seen any video discussing this so plz stop with your rant

[inner sparrow]

its the unspoken golden rule, everyone does kt

directed by tommykay

the goat of hoi4

[wet crater]

This guy makes no sense

[austere roost]

Uh sure if you want to play in tommy's mp room then follow that rule

[inner sparrow]

brother

how much more obvious do I have to make it that im trolling u

like it can not be that hard to figure it out

or are u just the king of rage baiting and im falling for it

[wet crater]

Ouch

[inner sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-why-i-oughta-gif-17244395176664225812

[wet crater]

Yeah manstein has fort buster

[nocturne trout]

3 min later, how is it looking

[wet crater]

Aw good kitty

[heady skiff]

Hey March 1941

[inner sparrow]

igb

[heady skiff]

Its alright trust

[nocturne trout]

I mean

[austere roost]

This is help channel. And you sound like you needed serious help

[heady skiff]

We shall hold the capital

[nocturne trout]

Tbf you did well

[inner sparrow]

correct

[nocturne trout]

Holding them off this long

[wet crater]

Yeah this is better than I did

To be honest

[nocturne trout]

I never played Czechslovakia, will give it a try

[wet crater]

It might be interesting

I tried the sudenten hold as Hungary into austria hungary

It is brutal

[heady skiff]

Its not over twin

[wet crater]

I think you litterally need to save scum until you annex and not vassalize them

So the germans bypass the focus

Because austro hungarian vassals, do not give any industry to you

At all

[nocturne trout]

True

[wet crater]

You just get a bunch of shitty ai divisions, and nothing else

[nocturne trout]

I'm not used to the terms, what is scum?

[heady skiff]

FINALLY, THE AXIS IS GOING TO WAR WITH THE ALLIES 🥹 ✌️
(I just gotta hold for like another year to see anything happen trust)

[nocturne trout]

Peak

You got this

[wet crater]

Constantly reload over and over again

Until you get the outcome you want

[nocturne trout]

Ohhh

I see

Makes sense now, thank you

[heady skiff]

Nevermind. Germany refuses to join the war so they're letting their ally die. I LOVE THIS GAMES AI

[nocturne trout]

LMAO

That's amazing

Hopefully germany joins just as Italy is close to capitulation

[heady skiff]

Atleast I dealt 1.5M casualties ig

And ended the German run

Rip

GUESS WHO FINALLY JOINS THE WAR

WHAT

QWAJMENFIR0OMIWEAF0QTMIOAES0\DF-PMAEFI

I HATE THE AI

[nocturne trout]

This is beautiful

HOLD

YOU CAN DO IT

[heady skiff]

IM DEAD BRO

THEY ANNEXED ME 😭

[nocturne trout]

NEVER ADMIT DEFEAT

[nocturne trout]

Ah

Nvm

[heady skiff]

THEN IMMEDITATLY AFTER THE ALLIES DECLARE WAR

[nocturne trout]

Yeah no a bit cooked

[heady skiff]

THEY LWK TROLLING ME

[nocturne trout]

Ah you did very well

Don't take it too hard

[heady skiff]

Im just sad because it used to look so up

[nocturne trout]

Still you did well

Just learn from it and do better next time

Where would you say your biggest issues were

[heady skiff]

😔

[heady skiff]

I invited my allies 😭

[nocturne trout]

Ah

I assume that brought Italy in?

[heady skiff]

Nope

They joined 2 years later

[nocturne trout]

Still somewhat on time

So the Germans managed to take your allies quick and then used the industry gain to further their military growth as well as using the gold to wipe off consumer goods %?

[heady skiff]

My allies were VERY slowly crumbling (WW1 type shi)
Then Italy joined and just walked through them xd

[nocturne trout]

Right makes sense

Still in my mind it seems like inviting them is a good idea, the biggest issue would be taking Germany before Italy can join

[fossil dove]

In the early game, before i get medium tanks, what should I use as my attack force

?

Can anyone help me pls?

[lyric needle]

What does comp game mean?

[pale cove]

Competitive I think

[soft ivy]

light tnaks or cav

[lyric needle]

So for good players

[soft ivy]

how do I see Province ids?

[lyric needle]

tdebug in console commands

pretty sure

[fossil dove]

Cav?

[soft ivy]

cavalry

[fossil dove]

They are only good for garrison

I will go for light tanks

Ty for your help

[jagged grail]

How do I stop the French from bombing my supply as Germany I’m in regular mode btw

Also how do I gain navalsuperiority over Britain to invade them

[gilded herald]

You need fighters or AA built to negate it

[soft ivy]

and you need big navy

[gilded herald]

Bigger navy or lots of air with naval bombers

[soft ivy]

okay here's the thing. trying to give my puppet lithuanian control of the latvia states I have. how do I do that?

[gilded herald]

I think right click them and should be a transfer territory or control option if your at war and took it during then. If it is after a peace deal, I’m not sure you can

[soft ivy]

tryign to use console command

[gilded herald]

Oh I’m not sure then I don’t cheat 😏

[twin kayak]

is this path of the german focus tree worth doing ?

[keen hemlock]

yes

you can core all of europe with the european union

communuist path is fun

[austere roost]

that's just alt hist german path, you can choose a pth to play

[rare sleet]

yo, how do you actually nuke?, got all the research, says i have plenty of nuclear bombs and i got strategic bombers cant figure out how to actually launch em

[fathom thistle]

via raid option

if you dont have gotterdammerung then I have no clue

[dusty sandal]

right side of the screen, there should be a nuke icon in the raids. Select it then click on the tile you want to drop the nuke at

[rare sleet]

cant find it, not sure what were missing

have everything researched and strategic bombers built

[dusty sandal]

normally the raid mechanic for nukes is common for DLC or no dlc
it should be on the right on the screen just on top of the random buttons for army view and stuff

[wind flame]

Hello, I researched the Panzer IV and started production, but I don't know how to deploy them. Is it in recruitment and deployment? Because I don't see them there.

[trail reef]

is it better to get puppes as germany via the reichkommisars button or to do it in the peace deal

[jagged grail]

How do you win against the ussr I put my air to the ussr?

I also bave reinforcements

[hardy elm]

prolly the decision since then in the peace deal its already urs but if it was a peace deal theres a chance other countries take their land

[sacred patrol]

hey can i borrow a heavy tank template?

[oak jasper]

Single-player or multiplayer? Single player, the preferred (medium SPG) template looks something like this:

(I'm given to understand MP leans towards heavy tank destroyers, but in SP, heavy tanks are just going to mean extra IC and resources spent against enemies which really don't do anti-tank very well)

The modules up top are: easy maintenance, radio II, armor skirts, heavy machine gun turret. If you don't have the research for easy maintenance (which is a lot of research), slot in a second HMG turret.

[twin kayak]

how do I kill sink the royal navy ?

[uncut narwhal]

id switch the easy maintenance for another hmg

[uncut narwhal]

as germany?

[twin kayak]

idk how yall manage to navaly invade the UK

yeah

[uncut narwhal]

spam naval bombers

[twin kayak]

they don't seem to sink that much

[uncut narwhal]

how many do you have?

[twin kayak]

rn, 200 (I went back to a save before invading poland and put everything in them)

[uncut narwhal]

bro

200 isnt spamming

you want like

1k

at least

[wind flame]

Hello, I researched the Panzer IV and started production, but I don't know how to deploy them. Is it in recruitment and deployment? Because I don't see them there.

[twin kayak]

I know,, that's why I went back to a save and put everything into naval bombers

gonna re try it

and where do I put them ?

only the channel ?

[uncut narwhal]

yes

[twin kayak]

how do you have 1k of them in 1938 ?

[uncut narwhal]

how many factories do you have on your fighters/cas usually?

[twin kayak]

idk, I just yolo it

rn, only one

[fathom thistle]

you need to design a template that contains them

[twin kayak]

and 40 on naval

[fathom thistle]

then you start training it

[uncut narwhal]

those 40 factories on naval shouldve been there for a longer time

that way you get that much

20 is ok

if you put them on in like 38

probably

[twin kayak]

you think I should re start ? (it's july 1937)

[uncut narwhal]

your at war with the allies already?

[twin kayak]

and I'm planning on invading the uk in 1939 max

[twin kayak]

nope, just before molesting poland

[uncut narwhal]

why in 37 already tho?

you can easily declare in 39 and finish the war in 39

that way you get enough of whatever you want

[twin kayak]

never actually managed to do that

[uncut narwhal]

if you have time i could show you

[twin kayak]

I can't rn and I wanna try it out myself first

but if I need it, I'll message you

[uncut narwhal]

ok so if you declare in mid 39 you should be able to get france in mid to late 39

then its sealion time

and until 39 you should have enough tanks and air

you can get the meta air in like late 38

or early 39

[twin kayak]

meta air ?

[uncut narwhal]

yea

[twin kayak]

what is that ?

[uncut narwhal]

the best air

design

[twin kayak]

I know what meta is, but what are these designs

[uncut narwhal]

use smth like this for cas

i usually go for 3x heavy bomb locks

and an extra fuel tank only tho

and for naval bomber

just the torpedo

and some range

[candid abyss]

chat, i completed war on ussr focus and i cant declare war

[dusty sandal]

read what it says

[candid abyss]

so train more infantry i guess, i dont want to drag the 48 div guy because the UK has been spamming my shores recently

[dusty sandal]

just spam 2width divisions until you can cancel the pact

it's not said you need good divisions

once it's cancelled just delete them

[halcyon trench]

What divisions should I use to D-Day as US in multiplayers. Right now i have 7 marines 11 mountaineers 1 line AT Support SP heavy artillery Pioneers Field hospital Medium flame tanks and Light recon tanks

[marble knot]

@here Im a new player, im playing italy and im at war with greece. Im trying to get to athens and I have this stack of like 136 divisions, I keep sending it at the 15 greek divisions in front of me, but one by one they just stop fighting, why is this happening?

[jade tulip]

for 1939 tech what is the best infantry defense div template?

this is what I came up with

[plucky otter]

Cut the motor recon and logistics

[jade tulip]

they give defense though

[plucky otter]

Motor recon is bad and logistics arent all that useful for infantry

[plucky otter]

While using fuel

Motor gives what like

12 defense

[jade tulip]

fair enough

[twin kayak]

except the background png, nothing has sunk

[uncut narwhal]

then it only damaged

only was 100 in battle

[twin kayak]

well, there was also this

but not in my favor

[uncut narwhal]

brotha

thats a restart almost

[uncut narwhal]

dont put your navy up

[uncut narwhal]

ong

[twin kayak]

had 2000 on the channel

[uncut narwhal]

nooo

brooooo

holy

bruh

[twin kayak]

?

[uncut narwhal]

they have to be near it

range

bro range

[twin kayak]

spam naval you said

[uncut narwhal]

and if you overstack an airport

ITS USELESS

PUT THEM IN A BIG ENOUGH AIRPORT

AND LOOK OUT FOR THE RANGE

[uncut narwhal]

hover over the mission in the channel

its gonna say like an efficiency

of probably like 40%

get the airport on dunquerke

also

you need fighters

over the channel aswell

[wind flame]

I did it and I started producing it

so it's good ?

[hushed citrus]

is it solid or bad?

[glacial steeple]

what is that

[hushed citrus]

i've tried it in a invasion and its bad, very bad , what is the problem? is it bad because of the design or because of the invasion?

[hushed citrus]

i mean the template

[glacial steeple]

both?

[hushed citrus]

they are same devision

i've tried this devision to see if it can attack very well and it was bad

very bad

[glacial steeple]

the terrain debuffs are terrible, it has like hardly any attack, you dont have doctrines in 1948??? and its just waaay ridículously expensive for what it is

[hushed citrus]

you mean expensive in equipments? its not a big deal . i finished the ussr and got a million infantry equipment and a thousands of that tank

[glacial steeple]

just the unit cost? it doesnt matter how much you have, itll always be relevant

because that production could be put on air

[hushed citrus]

my only goal is to invade britain but i dont know how can i do that , they have alot of troops guarding the coasts and got forts

i mean see the reserved devisions in the attack informations

[neat widget]

bad

[hushed citrus]

Any suggestions?

[neat widget]

weak modern tank battalions, too small

10 mech 9 spgs with

• light tank recon
• assault engineers
• logistics companies (yes you got this one right)
• hospitals
• medium flame tanks

[hushed citrus]

its max

[neat widget]

oh

[neat widget]

well you're naval invading with tanks

and mech

which are two of the least good units to naval invade with

if you have amphibious tractors you can use tanks to naval invade because they offset the naval penalty

[hushed citrus]

so should i replace these modern tanks with amphibious tractors?

[neat widget]

If you're doing this have 14 amphibious tractors and 5 spgs

[hushed citrus]

ok

@neat widgethere is the statics

good?

[keen hemlock]

what even is the point of this

[neat widget]

You should reread the support companies section i wrote above

also those aren't amphibious tractors

those are amphibious tanks

[hushed citrus]

ooh

you mean the LWS?

[neat widget]

Yes

[hushed citrus]

ok

[spark gorge]

what are like the combat widht sweetspots

not like x meta div is 35 widht or somn

like the good anchor points

if I got like x amount of widht

whats the closest good widht I should bring it up or down to

[left mica]

The hell

35 hp
10 org

i can take that division on with my bare fists and it would fall apart

[hushed citrus]

so its bad at all not just naval invasions?

aah yea

really bad

[left mica]

Hp dictates the amount of manpower and equipment losses your division suffers. More hp means fewer losses
org dictates how long your div can fight before retreating to reorganise
Both these stats are gained from having more mechanised or amphibious tractors

Tractors and mechs are in the infantry tech tree

[hushed citrus]

thats why i lost 1 million in poland when i tried to be smart and create my own template

[left mica]

Rip

This is how it looks like

The things on the left are medium spg

but the things on the right are tractors

[hushed citrus]

so i should be good now , aint i? @left mica

[left mica]

God

nah

Motorised are functionally the same as tractors

but they’re just unusable as frontline troops

you want to place 10 tanks in there instead of mot

[hushed citrus]

10 tanks in the template?

[wet crater]

I guess more trade?

[left mica]

10 tank battalions

replace engineer with assault engineer

[wet crater]

It also might be a last bid to force more civs out to build but the construction debuff makes me think otherwise

[left mica]

And add field hospital

Oh i mean flamethrower medium tank

[hushed citrus]

no dlc

[left mica]

rip

[hushed citrus]

not rich enough

[left mica]

fair

[hushed citrus]

so im cooked?

[left mica]

nah

[hushed citrus]

i just need any devision that is able to beat that 11 infantry and the forts standing waiting for me

[left mica]

Naval invasion?

[hushed citrus]

yea

[left mica]

hm

yeah 8 tractor 10 medium or heavy tanks

i personally use heavy but they arent as good for naval invasions but thats your call

What are your doctrines

[hushed citrus]

i lost half a million soliders in only the invasions

nearly 1/4 losses of the ussr invasion

[left mica]

@inner sparrow what do you think

Hes better than me so he can tell you whats wrong with that, but i dont think thats a good pick

Its sp so you get more leeway compared to mp, but mobile warfare and mass assault have been sidelined after ncns update

The meta is grand battleplan for attacking and superior firepower for defending

Select the grand doctrine, click on the book icon at the bottom of the window and read the tooltip

As for subdoctrines i personally dont agree with your picks either

[left mica]

Mobile inf for infantry is ok since it buffs your mech and tractors

[left mica]

yeah see it sucks

now see what gbp does

Keep in mind changing your grand doctrine removes all subdoctrines’ progresses

[hushed citrus]

grand battleplan?

[left mica]

Yes

[hushed citrus]

not a big deal still got some battles so i can level it up again

[left mica]

alr

you can choose between mobile infantry to specifically buff your mech and tractors, or assault infantry to buff all leg and mechanised infantry

For artillery i would use field engineering to buff my assault engineer

[hushed citrus]

about the subdoctrine

[left mica]

For tanksi would pick armoured spearhead and assign all generals with the breakthrough tactic

[left mica]

and also your country’s preferred tactic

Oh wow 10% breakthrough is wild

[left mica]

What about field engineering?

[hardy elm]

jan 1949 😔

[left mica]

Your call then

[hushed citrus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/sybau-gregory-house-chf1dz-xF886U4VePtnfID2R2

[inner sparrow]

about what

[left mica]

yeah i reckon mobile recon would be better

[left mica]

Look at the guy’s doctrine picks

And for operations just pick grand assault

[inner sparrow]

what build are u going, tanks or inf?

[left mica]

ive never picked anything else

hes doing tanks

hes new

[hardy elm]

is this a different version of hoi4 or sum looks diferent

[hushed citrus]

that one is perfect i think

[left mica]

@inner sparrow no dlcs

[hushed citrus]

its no dlcs

[left mica]

Just do grand assault

[hushed citrus]

yea , 20% breakthrough

perfect

[left mica]

You also want max planning

max planning buffs all stats

[inner sparrow]

GBP into IE, Mobile Recon is fine or td force, Armored spearhead, grand assault

[left mica]

why IE

[inner sparrow]

bc its busted

[left mica]

i usually pick assault inf

[inner sparrow]

nah

[left mica]

Really??

[inner sparrow]

assault inf gives just a few more break for tanks while having 200 less hp

IE gives u like 5%x 2 times HP if u have logi in ur div

[left mica]

Wow

Fair

[inner sparrow]

assault inf is good for special forces

IE is one of the best for tanks

[left mica]

Thanks

[hushed citrus]

i dont really care if tanks or not

[inner sparrow]

ur gonna have like 500hp tank div with it if proper template

[inner sparrow]

np

[hushed citrus]

just i want to pass the coasts

[left mica]

Hes trying to sealion but the uk is stacked

You have naval supremacy?

[hushed citrus]

i spent 10 years trying to pass it and lost millions

[hushed citrus]

you mean strong navy?

[left mica]

Yes

[hushed citrus]

yes

[left mica]

Nice

good job

[blissful nova]

you need to build a navy and cap them after france usually

[left mica]

Bro learnt navy before tank

[blissful nova]

not this

[neat widget]

mobile infantry increases your motorized organization increase by like 60 without a commensurate increase in HP, so it makes you think that you have deceptively high combat power when you don't

[blissful nova]

Dont we all

[left mica]

Not me

[neat widget]

the losses compound, and your assault stops

if you are doing a tank build do individual excellence

[inner sparrow]

The only reason he probably suffers with uk is because he cant get a hold and prob combusts on shitty supply

[left mica]

yeah

put some ships on convoy escort

[hushed citrus]

even italy cant

[left mica]

italy sucks

[blissful nova]

Its 1949

Restart

[hushed citrus]

i've defeated thier navy and nobody can even touch the sand of UK

[inner sparrow]

build ports or capture more ports, connect railways and use logi in ur units so they don’t hog all ur supplies

[left mica]

I wouldnt even call them into the war until they declare on greece

He has logi in his tanks

[neat widget]

Uh... yeah, that's not quite the reason

At least so I think

[hushed citrus]

i was trying since 39 man what are you talking about

[inner sparrow]

needs in inf aswell

[hushed citrus]

still same power

[left mica]

True

[blissful nova]

Why didnt you do it in 39?

did tyou lose a naval invasion

[left mica]

does ie also buff inf div hp

[neat widget]

but yeah they were literally using normal tanks to naval invade

[blissful nova]

and lost ur port

cuz u had no supply

[hushed citrus]

it was from germany not from norway

[inner sparrow]

if he lands it will be for most ppl, uk supply sucks after landing

[neat widget]

Yeah

supply sucks in UK for some reason

[inner sparrow]

yes I think but not sure honestly

[neat widget]

but with naval supremacy it makes it easier

[hushed citrus]

i didnt even touch it

i lose in coasts and leave

yeah, i broke the game

[blissful nova]

if u dont take uk out after france your cooked

[hushed citrus]

UK is stronger than the ussr 😭

[blissful nova]

UK is insanely strogn in this game

irl they were trasj

[neat widget]

UK is quite strong, but it's doable

800 divisions oh my god

[hushed citrus]

i just want to beat the game 😭

[neat widget]

but with enough 36-width marines the UK will eventually fall

[hushed citrus]

i've invaded the ussr for the first time and now i cant even touch the UK to end the game

[neat widget]

also it's 1949, so the UK could build during this time

what are your marine templates

[dusty sandal]

1949 and uk still has manpower ? Impossible
all men should be deployed in the airforce by now

[hushed citrus]

italy is cooked in africa

[left mica]

I mean they’re on all adults serve

[hushed citrus]

so they got nothing to fight

[left mica]

yeah nah not in 49 mate

[lofty ravine]

im at war with a faction led by spain, and i justified on fascist denmark and yugoslavia to declare war so they would join the faction as minors, but they joined the faction and the war while the justifications were ongoing. the justifications are still happening even though i have now capitulated both of them. how can i get rid of them? the option to cancel is not there since i am still at war with them

[hushed citrus]

my eyes hurts me , what is infront of my eye right now

[lofty ravine]

i really need to do more justifications but i dont want it to take years since the game thinks i have two ongoing

i need all remaining fascist nations to join spains faction so i can cap them all at once and increase comintern power for inevitable allies war

[hushed citrus]

im just gonna restart the game , syria got 40 devision

[alpine birch]

Why does my navy not wana go here?

[neat widget]

12/5/2

[alpine birch]

I have bases all over here