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[pliant condor]

the thing is that

as long as you are also connected to their supply network

supply can also flow from your capital to peru

so it's not just their capital

[glacial steeple]

yes if its down to 1 tile it should

[pliant condor]

also I think capital supply hubs move automatically now?

I remember this when tryint to capitulate china

[glacial steeple]

destroyers bad vs subs

[glacial steeple]

no not necessarily

only when there are 2+ connected supply points in another part of the nation

say a port connected with rail to a supply hub

or supply hub to supply hub

over sea does not count

and singular hubs also do not count

supply capitals can alsobexist without a supply network at all

youll sometimes see this in places like mengjiang

so like for mid-large size countries it basically always moves

but if it doesnt meet the requirements it doesnt move

afaik if you have 1 supply hub (on its own) your capital will move compared to a place without but i havent tested that

[carmine lichen]

is there a hotkey to merge all ships without having to manually select them all

[glacial steeple]

no

[pliant condor]

ohh

[pliant condor]

there's a trick

select all your task forces

assign them to the reserve task force

then merge

you can click on the fleet to select all the task forces under it

[candid burrow]

Looking for advice for a Mapuche Chile run. Which of these three focuses do I do? They are all 70 days and dont seem too good imo. If anyone can help I appreciate it.

[glacial steeple]

cannot remember what they do ngl

[candid burrow]

Going left to right they are

[glacial steeple]

left one is rlly good and the one on the right is also great

tbh all are good depending on what you need

[candid burrow]

La Corporacion?

[glacial steeple]

yes

[candid burrow]

Thats the left most

[glacial steeple]

hmm org is probably nothingburger

[candid burrow]

I was thinking mainly just the middle for its pop

[glacial steeple]

you can do 2 no ?

[candid burrow]

I can do all 3 but with them being 70 days each I want to trim as much as I can

[glacial steeple]

just do 2 theyre really good buffs

[candid burrow]

Im thinking the middle one and left one

The recuitble pop will be nice I think

[glacial steeple]

sure

[candid burrow]

Was gonna try for the liberate the americas as chile achieve

[hexed meteor]

how are my templates

[fathom grove]

only saw this today but thank you

unfortunatley my computer had some issues and i lost the save. i ma trying a poland run, is using cavalry then mech viable?

you all are a great help here thank you

[tepid umbra]

is this for modded or sumn

i'd drop the TDS on the tank

not use the motorized divs

and swap the medium tanks for spart

[glacial steeple]

thats rude

[tepid umbra]

what

I haven't seen these like ever

[hexed meteor]

its rt56

those are cheap ass units basically

[tepid umbra]

ah

idk what to change about your divs then

[hexed meteor]

but they suck

[tepid umbra]

prolly don't have supports in the garrisons tho

[wild rune]

Garrisons do not need allat

[neat widget]

depends on the focus path you're taking

[neat widget]

Yeah, and they're bad I imagine

[glacial steeple]

road

[neat widget]

Since they don't have a lot of HP and if I remember correctly they aren't cheap enough to compensate

[fathom grove]

it's the fascist monarchist path right?

[neat widget]

yeah

[thick prairie]

I got the game but have no clue how to play, can someone help me pls?

[austere roost]

Check beginners guide in pin

[austere roost]

What is the point of motorized inf, what is the point of that garrison just use one cav division, and for tank divisions just replace tanks with spgs

Also some problems with support companies

You should always have engineer/flame tank/ranger recon or light tank recon in your offensive divisions and maintenance companies suck

[slender lodge]

Theres a bug on Germany AI

If they start barbarrosa on 1941 they lose in 1942

[noble rain]

ikr

[dusty sandal]

Not a bug, just awful AI that battleplans itself into the shitter

[slender lodge]

But they dont even reach minsk

[dusty sandal]

Because hitler has "ai focus on offense +50%" for some reason

[rustic halo]

little background so that my question makes sense. i play entirely defense small nations, with some mods that help me grow to a size where i can barely defend against major nations that surround me, with no allies. right now im doing austria, i use annexation to help with early manpower and then build up my defensive circle around the danube (the river going from regensburg to budapest and past that) and the mountain r egions that i have naturally giving up the rest of my land. because i dont have an actual front line until italy and germany take outthe surrounding nations and the territory that i own, i cant use a normal front line division order. i have tried fall back lines, but they dont really work as a front linebecause when the enemy takes one part of it it just breaks it. what i did now is use area defense and have the area d efense only cover forts and then place forts along my entire pre planned front line. the problem i am running into now is thateven though i have enough divisions to have 5 of them in every single fort, my units just seemingly randomly decide that they are needed elsewhere, leave one tile completely open and letting the enemy just walk in and capture it. how do i prevent this?

after about 20 or so campaign restarts i finally have a strategy that gets me enough firepower to properly hold the territory that i want to hold, and then my units at some point just randomly decide to completely leave one of my tiles alone and there goes my entire defense

[devout lintel]

might be front line that tells them where to replace other troops or u might misclicked

[rustic halo]

there on salzburg i have 3 divisions and on linz i have 12, and those 3 divisions just decide to leave

[rustic halo]

i had it set up like this, before the attack starts i have 2+2+1 division in every single fort (there are 35 forts), i dont touch my mouse at all, the fighting begins, and the above described scenario happens

i dont have a front line, just area defense on forts only

[devout lintel]

mabye they didnt walk and they just ram into them with tanks and air

[rustic halo]

nope, they didnt get attacked at all

they just walked away at full strength without being attacked

[dusty sandal]

if you're using garrison order as you seem to be doing, ensure no tile is accessible (place it in sahara desert) or controlled by the enemy or divs will move out to counterattack
also ensure that you don't accidentaly order them to move somewhere
also, you can fully disable troops own movements by swapping cohesion setting of armies to "none"

[rustic halo]

this is w hat im using

this is what i mean, they just leave the tile completely alone

i manually moved him in there there was just nobody guarding it at all, and he immediately moves away again

[simple marsh]

attack with him on the area you want him to walk on

if he moves to another area to attack from then the area that you want him on is not connected

[dusty sandal]

where is he walking to ?

[rustic halo]

is there a way i can set up my guys to just defend every tile that i want them to defend without leaving the area?

[dusty sandal]

disable everything

[rustic halo]

neusatz

[dusty sandal]

and change cohesion to none

[inner sparrow]

u have to manually micro them

else things like this will always happen

[dusty sandal]

they are trying to man forts
there's no fort there, they don't stay there

[rustic halo]

there is a fort tho

there is no fort in neusatz where he is moving to, but there is a fort on the tile where he is moving away from

thats why im confused

thats the fort building ui

[dusty sandal]

there's probably a reason I'm not seeing rn but just use a frontlin order, a fallback line order or disable all troops movements (cohesion to "none") and micro everything*

troops coming in from the other side of the front but not strat redeploying or being help up in fights would be my ghuess

[rustic halo]

okay thanks

okay this is insane, i have cohesion to immobile, i manually send them into the region they are in now, which has a fort in it, and they are still trying to attack a region that doesnt e ven have a fort in it

i dont understand this game

[sacred patrol]

hey so like

how much of soviet do i need to cap them

[dusty sandal]

depends

[dusty sandal]

remove the garrison order

assign a field marshal fluid frontline

[rustic halo]

how do i set up a front line without my divisions then running around like wild swapping places?

[dusty sandal]

that's what the no cohesion is for

[rustic halo]

okay thanks

so essentially i use just a fall back line with no other order until they are at my pre planned defensive position and then turn the fall back line into a normal front line?

[dusty sandal]

you use a frontline order with a battleplan and cohjesion turned off
this way your units won't move on their own but will gain planning bonus if they sit on the frontline out of combat. This means that when you need to attack, you'll have units with buffs to do so

don't forget to maintain SHIFT key when you assign the field marshal frontline so it creates a fluid frontline

[rustic halo]

okay but i dont want to defend where my initial frontline is but further back

[dusty sandal]

that's what the cohesion turned off does

you can set up your troops manually

they won't move

[rustic halo]

ohhh okay

[dusty sandal]

when front reaches them you don't have to touch anything

[languid trout]

why are you using defense for frontlines

[rustic halo]

what does that mean

[languid trout]

use real frontlines or fallback lines

[rustic halo]

thats what my entire question was if you scroll up and read it

[languid trout]

ur using the defense option and then turning on only borders

why not use frontlines or fallback lines

[rustic halo]

i cover that in my initial asking of the question

[languid trout]

if any tile within a state under defense is an enemy tile then it will try to attack it no matter what u do

even if its border or port, etc.

even forts

[rustic halo]

okay that answer that part thanks

[languid trout]

thats why i wondered why not use frontlines or fallback lines

[rustic halo]

yeah if you scroll up i cover the reasons why in my question

[languid trout]

the enemy not taking that one tile right?

its fine

why would u abandon that tile anyway

its gonna make that tile to its east harder to defend

[rustic halo]

because i have more land than i can defend

[languid trout]

because now it can be attacked from one more tile

[rustic halo]

i am holding behind the river

[languid trout]

then use fallback lines

[rustic halo]

alright thanks people

[honest wave]

i had the game on microsoft store 2 years ago (19.01.2024 to be exact) and now i cant play it. when i looked it up on my browser i found some information about the game getting removed from the ms store. is there any way for me to play the game again without paying again for the game that i already bought? i can show proof that i have the game.

[arctic aspen]

I really wanna get into multiplayer but idk if i can play fast enough, are most people playing multiplayer 200 apm korean demi gods?

[glacial steeple]

tfb is pretty slow

[hoary glen]

No, far from it.

[glacial steeple]

contact steam support or pdx support :> nothing we can do for you

[hoary glen]

Also if you start with a minor theres not too much to do anyway

[honest wave]

alr

do u think i can get the game again

[glacial steeple]

likely not

2 years is quite long

[honest wave]

i never liked strategy games

up until now

[glacial steeple]

get good fr

[honest wave]

i just bought it because of my friends wanted me to

and now i really wanna play it

[glacial steeple]

theres nothing we can do for you :>

sorry

[hoary glen]

I don't know if Lunar steam sale is still on or upcoming, but if it is you can grab the game for probs 5€. I know it's frustrating to buy the same thing twice, but that could work without playing full price

[honest wave]

thanks man

im trying to reach to the support rn

[topaz yew]

hello, im struggling to figure out when to declare on japan as soviet china, both 1938 and1939 ive been too weak to really hold any borders, and if i wait longer thenillbe surrounded

unless i should only really defend here?

[wraith cypress]

Is this good i am new?

[keen hemlock]

id remove they arty

[keen hemlock]

id get more troops, hold the rivers and mountians

[topaz yew]

despite the infantry equipment deficit? im -12k at the minute and if i try going to war it stayspretty much constant

[keen hemlock]

you need a surplus of inf equipment to fight

[topaz yew]

ill fill my deficit in just over a year if i dont make any more divisions

[keen hemlock]

but you should probably have more than 2 inf per tile

[wraith cypress]

What?

[topaz yew]

so makke more divisions,hold where i highlighted and wait like 2 years to declare? so 1941 about?

[keen hemlock]

the line arty

artillery

[wraith cypress]

Whats the best offensive template then?

[keen hemlock]

you dont have much land to start with, only shanxi, just make a fallback line behind the river behind taiyuan, then extend it to the river in the north

[keen hemlock]

for inf?

[wraith cypress]

Inf + artillery?

Or whatever?

[topaz yew]

Alright, thanks 👍

[wraith cypress]

I get to the point of unifying the balkans, then puppeting Hungary. But then italy attacks, yugoslavia splits and I loose.

[keen hemlock]

ususally i do 21 infantry plus large unit tatics, supp art, hospital, aa, med flame tank and assualt engineers

[wraith cypress]

Uhhhh, I don't understand jackass shit. Could you please give me an image or smt? 🙏

[keen hemlock]

one sec

on my phone so i dont have an image

you know what support companies are right

[wraith cypress]

No? . . .

[keen hemlock]

okay

send a screenshot from your game of that division template again

fullscreen, in game

[keen hemlock]

on the left where it says support

those are where your support companies go

[wraith cypress]

Aha

[keen hemlock]

Support companies don’t increase your combat width as far as I’m aware and you can only have one of each

You already have engineers and arty, I’d add support anti aircraft and field hospital

[wraith cypress]

I have to research for the anti-aircraft

[keen hemlock]

For assault engineers and medium flame tank, you need a land warfare facility

[keen hemlock]

It’s worth it for sure, I put it on everything if I’m a minor

[wraith cypress]

Alr I am researching, then?

And also doing the land warfare facility

Now?

[keen hemlock]

if im on yugo and getting the rest of the balkans id do that in the start of the game

im prettys ure you are on yugo because of the division name?

[wraith cypress]

No, bulgaria

[keen hemlock]

oh nvm thats bulgaria

[dusty sandal]

that's not good

[keen hemlock]

bulgaria might get one from its focus tree

[dusty sandal]

first off, you want two types of divisions : one for defence, one for attack. dual purpose is never good

so you want infantry that is cheap : 8 or 9inf, support arty and support anti air (this one is absolutely ESSENTIAL)
then you want big divs (36 combat width) made of special forces or tanks and mechanized/cavalry that have enough breakthrough (between 200-450), soft attack (the most you can) and HP (at least 200), and org (at least 25-30)

[topaz yew]

gonna try declaring at this point then, divisions just filled

nothat failed pretty terribly

lines collapsed in a month

holding mountains and rivers didnt really do anything

yeah i capitulated

i think ttrying to defend the rivers made theirforces too concentrated?

[dusty sandal]

you need proper divs, fully equipped and that have, at bare minimum, support AA in them not to get bombed to death
you also need to hold dearly each and every supply hubs
and you need to stop producing outdated guns asap, it should be your first research (1936 guns) quickly followed by AA

this is somewhat the line you want
also, you're not supposed to wait for japan to basically kill china so they don't have to split their forces anymore

also, 38% stab without being at war is extremely bleak, that means once you enter a war you get -40% production output

[topaz yew]

i can make support anti air but then ill havveto declare war even later? and i am using the modern guns.

[topaz yew]

is it morebeneficial to wait till my divisions are 100% supplied, or to declare quickly so china is still around?

[topaz yew]

yeah i know it sucks

[dusty sandal]

you're supposed to enter the war in 1937

you put 2 mils on AA asap and you'll be good
a div with no AA in it will blow up no matter what they're facing because of enemy bombers

[glacial steeple]

hi francis 👋

[topaz yew]

in 1937 i have 16 divisions

[dusty sandal]

also, researching the latest gun isn't enough. You need to produce it in big enough quantities so that your troops are actually using it and not waiting for the new ones to arrive

[scenic nacelle]

Yeah

[topaz yew]

am i meantto have very few battalians in my divisions`?

[scenic nacelle]

U don’t need 3 billion

[glacial steeple]

you can annex shanxi before china war

[topaz yew]

this is what ivev got in 1937

[glacial steeple]

if you justify on your neighbours ASAP (first political power spending)

[dusty sandal]

support anti air not only shots down enemy planes but reduces damage taken from CAS by 75%

[glacial steeple]

ningxia too

[dusty sandal]

show the divs

[glacial steeple]

then just only do your military focuses

no politics or eco

youll be pretty powerful

[topaz yew]

didnthave the time for thast, i gotr shanxi out with a week spare

[glacial steeple]

you can do it earlier

[dusty sandal]

I hope you didn't build a single civ too

[glacial steeple]

just dont use the focuses for wargoals

[dusty sandal]

because that's a waste since you go to war so early on

[glacial steeple]

they take rlly long and dont give anything compared to justifying

[topaz yew]

4 battalians, 1support art

[glacial steeple]

besides some arty

[topaz yew]

ididnt, just mills

[glacial steeple]

too small

[topaz yew]

yes i know

[glacial steeple]

will take heavy losses

[topaz yew]

thats wwhy i moved it up to 9

[glacial steeple]

lack of hp

[glacial steeple]

just use 6/0

militia

[topaz yew]

but then my divvisions have no supplly

[dusty sandal]

that's good
but inf must be at bare minimum 6inf
support arty is good but secondary to aa

[glacial steeple]

you start with it

[glacial steeple]

you need arty to push

[topaz yew]

militia as zhang?

[glacial steeple]

the japanese airforce actually isnt that scary

[glacial steeple]

doesnt matter which path

[dusty sandal]

yes but pushing is secondary
they need to survive first

[glacial steeple]

you survive by dealing damage

[dusty sandal]

they have a lot of tacbombers and produce CAS while chinese AI somehow forgets aa exist in this patch :(

[glacial steeple]

ive played china/japan a LOT

[glacial steeple]

china ai prioritizes the gun deficit yeah

[dusty sandal]

in 3 games I must have seen 10 divs tops having aa in template and even less being actually equipped

[glacial steeple]

but the planes will just fall down

and are all low range

theres no nearby airfields in your regions as prc

[dusty sandal]

northern sector is almost always within range because of shanxi and beijing airports though

[scenic nacelle]

The 30k ish deficit is kinda hard to ignore

[glacial steeple]

just fall back

its fine

their supply gets worse

you play to stall

[dusty sandal]

the shanxi supply hub is frontline and plain now, you need to hold the hills before it

or no supply issues for japan

[glacial steeple]

vs player japan you should lose

[glacial steeple]

yes but thats out of their supply range

they already attrition

[dusty sandal]

is it ? I can't remember seing attrition in front of it, only in the desert up north

[glacial steeple]

its very easy to ignore as player

[topaz yew]

i didnt see attritian in shanxi

[glacial steeple]

depends on what they take but yeah

if they take the hubs south they have supply

starts as china

those are important to hold

[topaz yew]

ah

[dusty sandal]

oh that must be it yeah

[glacial steeple]

you need to hold that too

[topaz yew]

so ill swap to militia then hold shanxi yulin and ordos?

and put anti air in them?

[glacial steeple]

AA optional but you should try to get it

realistically the only way you get it is like trains

you buy/license from ussr

buy trains from market theyll sell 10-20

and license AA so you can research gun

and production

[topaz yew]

oh i didnt knowi could buy trains since i get cut off from soviets

[glacial steeple]

-35% production sucks but you dont rlly have tech time

[glacial steeple]

youre on closed eco

move to limited exports or above

[topaz yew]

alright

[scenic nacelle]

Can’t u just commandeer civilian trains

[topaz yew]

illgive it a shot and see how it goes

[scenic nacelle]

15 for -5% stab

[topaz yew]

oh no i liedthe 16 divisions are militias

how many should i aim for?

before declaring i mean

[glacial steeple]

stab :(

also you dont have it researched so no

gotta buy it

[glacial steeple]

as many as possible

its gonna depend a lot on the gun losses you take

[topaz yew]

imean i could get like 100 if i wait long enough but thatd be silly

yeah japans declared on china now

[glacial steeple]

then wait if its realistic

you are forced into a war

imo its best to do only military focuses until youre locked from the tree

[topaz yew]

ill declare wwhen ive got 24 militias then?

[glacial steeple]

they buff you where other paths only buff you lightly or temporarily

its like, youre building on your future strenght

[topaz yew]

my military focuses are basically done, apart from recruitable pop

[glacial steeple]

you wanna get down to the focus that spawns 4 mils

in the mil tree

and get as many unit and factory spawn ins

the rest is irrelevant but choose the buffs that are applicable to your army

your militias are infantry so they benefit from infantry buffs too, not just militia

meaning you can take the focus thats like regular army which has no requirements

[topaz yew]

that requires starting the war though

[glacial steeple]

yes

thats your goal

[topaz yew]

i need to figure out how to not collapse first

[glacial steeple]

if you are locked from the path, you should do politics

[glacial steeple]

you fight

[stuck garnet]

Hey question

[topaz yew]

i wasable tohold for a bit but the 12k gun deficit really did me in

[stuck garnet]

If i wanna cap austria and italy as althist germany is it mountaineers or cas

[glacial steeple]

you shouldnt have a deficit

always only expand/upgrade your army when you have the necessaery weapons

dont overtrain, dont oversize

[topaz yew]

shouild i declare on japan now then? as they just declared on china?

[glacial steeple]

why not both

if you play historically you form the united front

if not then keep gobbling up warlords as much as you can and then declare on china

[topaz yew]

i did that last time soi wanted to go the other path this time

[glacial steeple]

?

[topaz yew]

oh declare on china?

[glacial steeple]

you get an event for it

you dont need to do the focus

[topaz yew]

i just mean zhang

[glacial steeple]

again your priority should be the military

not whoever is your leader

[topaz yew]

yeah i know

i just mean im not in cuf

[glacial steeple]

political paths are irrelevant because you can do most of it through game mechanics

[topaz yew]

its just about when to declareon japan is what im struggling with

[glacial steeple]

they are useful, but not as useful as the 4 mils

[glacial steeple]

after china is dead

after youve taken as much of china as possible

[topaz yew]

hmm okay

well samequestionagain then, do i wait till i havev an army to declare on china?

[glacial steeple]

as prc the best way to play is NOT to follow the political paths

[topaz yew]

this is my path so far

[glacial steeple]

but rather to seek to start wars as soon as possible, and focus focus time on the military

[topaz yew]

do you reckon 24 militias will be a decent start for declaring onchina?

and did i make any serious mistakeswith my path?

[glacial steeple]

ideally youd do this

but you can do the political path if you are fully locked from the army tree

[oak jasper]

So, I'm losing war support to enemy bombing of the Home Islands. This is egregiously silly, given that I am the United States.

I already have a thousand fighters up versus their 800 bombers. Green air. The entire Home Islands are covered by radar. Is there anything more I can do to try to deal with this, other than spend PP on "Bolster Spirits"? Maybe put some fighters up over the Sea of Japan?

[topaz yew]

so can you declareon shanxi without doing the border war? i didnt think about that

[glacial steeple]

personally id save the gun cost focus for the war against the kuomintang (when you have the most mils)

[glacial steeple]

yes

you justify with the button

on core

[topaz yew]

thanks

[glacial steeple]

i did it in a run and because youre closer to the 4 mils focus, which given the economy balance of china vs japan is huge, means you end up being stringer

i played joining the united front which sucked because i wasnt able to eat more warlords

if you decide not to go united front, just keep making wars

your focuses want war, capping nations gives weapons and economy

the shanxi war will be harder but you should be stronger because of all the units that spawn in for you

[wise heron]

has anyone here played northeastern army and restored the beyiang governmetn?

@glacial steeple have u?

[glacial steeple]

no

[topaz yew]

that was the goal last round but i was only just about able to do 1 before the cuf formed

ig the border war is just a huge time loss

[glacial steeple]

its not huge but it is a time loss

[topaz yew]

it does take me a very long time to do wars so any time save means a lot

[topaz yew]

i dont think theres much chance of me winning this?

i dont know how to kill t hem without doing the border war

yeah that just hasnt worked at all

[topaz yew]

are you sure this isnt slower than doing the border war?

[glacial steeple]

equip your units

use artillery to deal damage

[topaz yew]

i forgot artillery wtf

[glacial steeple]

you also have the north thats pushable and earlier than where you are

dont play 5 speed also

[topaz yew]

just forgot to apply iot

[glacial steeple]

5 speed is terrible for being focused

[topaz yew]

earlier?

[glacial steeple]

so you lose a lot more

[topaz yew]

yeah i normallyuse 3

[glacial steeple]

well yeah youve already been given shanxi

[topaz yew]

also, he long never arrives

or atleast nowwhere near enough to do the military path

[glacial steeple]

this means you justify as soon as you have 37 pp

[topaz yew]

Should i oush with the 5 militias then?

Push

[glacial steeple]

you wont be able to push immediately but you should be able to as soon as you have artillery in support

[topaz yew]

alright, thanks

[glacial steeple]

this focus also isnt terrible tbh

i kinda forgot the buffs

but it isnt a mil so it doesnt matter for when you have no mils

[topaz yew]

illdo that instead of the coin one when im waitingfor he long then?

im not sure when he does arrive

[dusty sandal]

why are you battleplanning ...

[glacial steeple]

production

he will arrive eventually

[topaz yew]

i wasnt intending to win the war

i was just seeing if anything was possible and it wasnt

there was no way i was pushing with 1 militia per tile

[dusty sandal]

you could

[glacial steeple]

i also got the focuses a bit wrong

you just do whatever makes you go down

and ideally save the gun bonus

[dusty sandal]

you just had to play can and mouse with the AI

[glacial steeple]

they also have 1 underequipped guy per tike

tile*

so you can

[topaz yew]

stronger than my units were though

[glacial steeple]

the cooperation focus is also good

free units

[topaz yew]

and if i took any land then i wouldnt have a division in some border tiles

[topaz yew]

if youre good at the game maybebut i cant really get encirclements yet

[glacial steeple]

no

your generals are better

[gray solstice]

Are these good 36 navy?

[dusty sandal]

you put 2 divs on red line, the six others at the bottom and push the cross

[glacial steeple]

lin biao and zhu de

[glacial steeple]

the north is far easier

in the desert you can encircle at minimum 1 guy

it creates a gap

you can take ordos

[topaz yew]

i mean yea tzhis is the kinda strategy u learn when youvve played a lot, when i eventually devvelop that kindda thought process hopefully warswill be quicker and more successful

[dusty sandal]

don't build destroyers
spotters don't require anything but speed, detection and a single lvl 1 AA in the aa slot. Use sonar as well
your light cruisers are good but could use a lvl 1 AA in the aa slot

[glacial steeple]

you also take this before the war

you have enough xp

[glacial steeple]

dds are good.....

[dusty sandal]

torp dd can be funny but do not beat cruisers under any circumstance

[gray solstice]

I haven’t reaserched Sonar yet also where is it?

[topaz yew]

is that better than largeunit tactics?

for militia

[glacial steeple]

here i wait

also for using militias it is

and with wait

i mean you take the first political focus

it gives bonus in war

its actually perfectly timed

[topaz yew]

yeah same pretty much

[glacial steeple]

you see the units are better

even without the buff

and over river it is harder but possible

[topaz yew]

how do you get artillery in your divisions?

i dont think ill have any mills spare until northeastern armyland

[glacial steeple]

now with the bonus i do the focus for soviet guns

[glacial steeple]

you put a mil on it

[topaz yew]

my only mil?

[glacial steeple]

production

you get a second mil

[topaz yew]

nevermind wtf

oh yea

[dense haven]

Yo so i got rockets but they are not working need help

[glacial steeple]

here you get one

[topaz yew]

thanks a lot

[glacial steeple]

until this focus is done pushing will be very difficult so dont expect to win

but if they leave the north weak you can push faster than me

thats just a bit of RNG

here you see they put a lot in the north

so what i will do is pin the units to the left and use my 3 units dedicated for the push to move around and encircle through the empty desert northwest

[topaz yew]

ah yeah

that makes sense, and then push to wuhai to encircle the 2 units?

[glacial steeple]

dont forget to pick bold attack and like so

at this point i cease any action trying to push east to better use the units on the extended front and defense

[topaz yew]

right

oh so youve been attacking in the east too?

[glacial steeple]

3 of their units dead, i had low org across the front so i force attacked

[glacial steeple]

i made an attempt and failed

its okay to fail

[topaz yew]

nijce

[glacial steeple]

since im at war i will do this first to not get locked

[dusty sandal]

blood sacrifice

[glacial steeple]

now its a matter of pinning them in the right places

[glacial steeple]

oh the unit didnt even die

[topaz yew]

that seems like it would be quite difficult

[dusty sandal]

a miracle

[glacial steeple]

i forgot to queue up 4 new infantry

[topaz yew]

declaring early september

[glacial steeple]

you just justify after first focus is done

[topaz yew]

yeah i did, maybe i shouldnt have waited till know the enemy focus was done?

[glacial steeple]

i have the second wargoal already but wont declare

im playing with ahist ai for myself but to this point it applies to hist too

find weak spots in the shanxi line and push and exploit them

afterwards you will have enough power for ninxia

[topaz yew]

yeah i should have justified on ninxiama before getting zhu de but ill treat this as a practice run

[glacial steeple]

december

[topaz yew]

well they only wanted me to encircle 1 unit

[glacial steeple]

they had a gap in the northern front

you pin all units in place you dont want to move

[topaz yew]

there was only 1 unit in the north

[glacial steeple]

thats still good

[topaz yew]

apart from where i pushed

[glacial steeple]

they will move units to the now extended northern front

who you will then encircle

you can already see them moving on the right

playing prc well is a bit of like just practice, micro is something you learn from playing in an area a lot

youll learn to memorize terrain, supply and where to push etc

[topaz yew]

so from here do i push north?

or wait for them t o fill into the north

[glacial steeple]

productiona as i got for ninxia

[glacial steeple]

theres an isolated unit in the northwest begging to be killed

[topaz yew]

alright

[glacial steeple]

and a stack of 4 that you would like to keep in place

as you move around them

4 units in 1 tile is a lot when the entire frontline is only 1 unit per tile

[topaz yew]

hmm

oh

[glacial steeple]

that means approximately 3 tiles will be empty

you will have to tactically leave some tiles empty

say you have that unit in the west

you are covering it with 2 units

1 of them could be moved north of the unit you want to kill as the other pins it down

you dont need to hold both tiles if a unit is pinned

[topaz yew]

yeah

[glacial steeple]

so you see its a bit difficult to explain in time

[topaz yew]

the mistake wwas definately not pinning the 4

[glacial steeple]

now that you have shaanxi state

you also have tiles to the south to move around

[topaz yew]

ill see if i can loop around

yeah theyve completely filled the front line now, i can push but its slow

[glacial steeple]

tactics in nincia remain the same, force attack if low org, push where you are strong and they are weak, and manouvre around

you have a lot of manouvre warfare options despite it not seeming so

[glacial steeple]

its fine, push where you are best able to deal damage

i kept the 1 mil on the bad gun in order to have more guns

at this point you dont have time to justify for more stuff with historical ai

i got strikes so thats why my pp is low

youd also have 2 more mils from the northern army

and that would be your base to build from vs japan

at this point youd wanna go up export law, buy trains and license AA

AA is kind of optional but it would be nice if you could dedicate a mil to it

[topaz yew]

i dontknow how on earth you managed this

im here in november

[glacial steeple]

the focus that requires 100K men is possible if you train some guys up

[glacial steeple]

you mostly hold the line

maybe train new units you should have guns

you can get 4 more

ive shown you my every step basically

[topaz yew]

yeah ive got 4 training

like it feels like my eastern front is gonan collapse any minute

[glacial steeple]

it might

losing a tile isnt important unless its the state with the mils

as long as you control shaanbei losing a tile is fine

you can practice this, you know the strenght of your enemy and yourself

so its just manouvring your forces to be in the best position to fight this enemy

[steady solar]

Does anyone know a good mod for road to 56 that merges all the non-ww2 nations (himalayas, south america) into one country to reduce lag?

[light knoll]

annexing them with console always works

[steady solar]

ok

[topaz yew]

im getting played by the ai i cant beleive it

[noble rain]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-smooth-criminal-smooth-criminal-gif-thriller-glitter-m-jackson-gallery-gif-4400392586414863116

[glacial steeple]

@dusty sandal help

[glacial steeple]

lol its just practuce dw

[light knoll]

perfect time for ebegging your way to a big army

[jade parrot]

how do i beat ethiopia as italy quickly, struggling alot

in the 1st war on ethiopia

[fathom thistle]

Just get all the divisions from Italy to northern frontline and u good.

[oak jasper]

Is there a way to coerce amphibious landings to respect sea zone rules, e.g. "avoid the Iberian Coast"?

[jade parrot]

northern front line? as in france and there?

cuz thats what im doing and im losing

[fathom thistle]

As in north frontline between Ethiopia and Italy in Africa

[jade parrot]

oh

im basically doing that

leaving some in italy for protection

[fathom thistle]

Did you make an offensive line

[jade parrot]

yeah at the capital

[fathom thistle]

From who? No is gonna attack you at start

[jade parrot]

• i have like 300 planes above it

[fathom thistle]

You can move all of them there

[jade parrot]

ah oki thx

[fathom thistle]

Turn the army behavior to aggressive

Or just micro them to push

[jade parrot]

yeah thats what im doing lol

ill move all divisions tho

[glacial steeple]

do you wanna try

[jade parrot]

how do i move them all

cuz i cant just right click them all to ethiopia

[glacial steeple]

someone save my prc (no mods needed but i have about 50 or so mods on lol)

but theyre all like vanilla compatible save wise

[fathom thistle]

Move them to port and then right click the port in Africa where Italy has it

[jade parrot]

how do i move them to a port

[oak jasper]

Not sure on the context, but what usually works is to draw a fallback line close to where you want them to go. The AI will then auto-path, though in some cases the AI can take... interesting paths.

[jade parrot]

just right click?

[fathom thistle]

Just move them to tile which has port

The dockyard icon

[jade parrot]

kk thxies

[oak jasper]

Right-click to a tile with a port.
You can then right-click to another port for the transfer order; you can also shift-right-click to queue movement orders.

[jade parrot]

theyre on the way ahhh

[oak jasper]

Three more notes on moving overseas:

1. If your enemy has a navy (Ethiopia doesn't), your troop convoys are at least theoretically at risk of being convoy raided.
2. It will use convoys; the heavier the division(s), the more convoys needed.
3. They will be de-orged, and will need a few days to re-org after landing. For assaults on hostile shores, or to make sure followon waves land at full org, you want to use an amphibious invasion order.

[fathom thistle]

Btw Italy has pretty bad templates overall so you want to make them better asap

[oak jasper]

(That last tidbit about "landing at full org" is what I do with my armor. Tanks aren't great for naval invasions, but I plan a naval invasion anyways so that when they land, they're fully orged up and ready to roll)

[jade parrot]

when shoudl you normally win the war by? cuz i think im too late

jan 1937

[fathom thistle]

Before 37 would be good

[light knoll]

I'll give it a go when i finish the episode

[jade parrot]

oh loll, also i forgot to fight in somalia lmao

[oak jasper]

Ideally in a few months, before there's any war escalation.

Three tips:

1. Encircle and destroy. If they're surrounded by hostile tiles, the division can't retreat and is instead destroyed.
2. Hit F4 to see where the supply hubs and railroads are.
3. Building railroads is pretty fast, though supply hubs are painfully expensive.

[jade parrot]

why would i build railroads? :p whats the benefit

[oak jasper]

IIRC, Ethiopia has some rail/supply hubs along its northeastern edge, so you can spearhead down there, and cut west to encircle a big chunk of the Ethiopian army.

[jade parrot]

got encircled....

[oak jasper]

To connect supply hubs to your network, and/or improve supply throughput.

Even if two hubs are connected by rail, that doesn't necessarily mean you control the tiles the prebuilt rail is on, and it can be easier just to spend a few days to build your own rail line.

[jade parrot]

oh oki thanks

[oak jasper]

(The final note on rail: after capturing territory, it takes 10 days before railroads on that tile work. This applies even for rails you build)

[gray solstice]

Is this a good unit?

[jade parrot]

losing somalia T_T

might just restart, its now april 1937

[dusty sandal]

no

[oak jasper]

No. Line and motorized artillery aren't very good. A weird choice of support companies. 30 width is not considered optimal in the current meta.

[dusty sandal]

radio useless in singleplayer
not enough tanks, make them SPGs as they're better
the arty is simply a waste of resources
mech is good as is engineers but you also need support AA, logistic/hospital/both, support flame tank and support light tank recon (if you do indeed swap to SPGs and their doctrines as is highly recommended)

add support AA to the template and it's perfect

you can swap the hospital for logistics if you're using individual excellence infantry subdoctrine
you can adjust the speed of the tank to your liking but don't forget to do the same on the recon and flame tank

honorable mention :

[oak jasper]

The usual armored division is 36 width. I would consider logistics, hospital, flametank (DLC required) essential.

Maybe it's just me, but I do like to mix in one battalion of SPAAGs (to get AA without burning a support company slot) and one battalion of tank destroyers which have as much armor and piercing as possible.

[glacial steeple]

yipee

[glacial steeple]

@dusty sandal i have a disaster save

[dusty sandal]

no thanks ahah

[glacial steeple]

its fiine

even im able to fix it

[oak jasper]

And possibly controversial opinion: early armored divisions may benefit from a brigade of regular tanks to pump breakthrough, later shifting that brigade to more SPGs once tech and doctrine get your breakthrough up even without that brigade of standard medium tanks.

(This is from "wait, I thought my division had 350 or so breakthrough. It's 1943 and now it has 650. You know what? Time for more SPGs.")

[inner sparrow]

just add motorized line aa instead of a spaa

it doesn’t matter if ur div is 38width

more worth than removing a tank and adding an spaa, unless ur doing spaa armor meme wich is overkill in sp

[jade parrot]

after winning the ethiopian war, is it safe to bring all my troops back to italy?

[oak jasper]

I'm unsure how you would accomplish that without either 5-size brigades or spending 4 width on motorized support battalions?

[inner sparrow]

4 widht on motorized support??

motorized line aa is 1w

this is a mp template for example

but u can do same thing in sp

and if u dont have 5-size brigade sin late game?

[oak jasper]

The first four brigades would be full of 2W battalions, whether armor or infantry. For...

Yeah, what I said about 5-width brigades.

[inner sparrow]

yeah?

[gray solstice]

What’s the allow diplo command

My troops got stuck

[oak jasper]

The argument is that you either:

1. Wait until you have 5-size brigades.
2. Spend 4 width on motorized support battalions.
3. Have a division template smaller than 36W.

[oak jasper]

A potentially easier solution: tp enables teleporting units.

[inner sparrow]

the 5-sized brigades doesnt matter u get mastery fast enough if yk what to do. This is just a division design for ur final in 1940 or so on. If ur takling about early division ur argument of using an spaa is even worse bc its just a bigger waste instead of using the support company slot?

[gray solstice]

Thanks

[slender lodge]

Paratroopers divitions designer?

How much paratroopers do i use

[slender lodge]

Objetive; taking Down norway and UK

[oak jasper]

It's probably partly because I often play the US, which can often take a bit to get into the thick of things in Europe.

But it's late 1943 and I still don't have that mastery.

[inner sparrow]

if ur a country like usa that cant fight for master just to the freaky convert trick to grind it

it works and u get 30-40 mastery per month depending on how much u have out

[slender lodge]

@inner sparrow

[slender lodge]

.

[inner sparrow]

same as any other special force design or inf design

[slender lodge]

Just 3 each?

[inner sparrow]

?

[slender lodge]

just that?

[inner sparrow]

no 36w

or 16w

[slender lodge]

What 36w is

[inner sparrow]

both will be fine depending on what u want to use thm for

[inner sparrow]

36 combat width

one single paratrooper is 2 width

[slender lodge]

I Wanna take down brotaron

[slender lodge]

So do i add alot

?

Till 36?

[inner sparrow]

u can also just use 16 width if u have green air and cas for ai

[slender lodge]

ill take th e 36 one

I already have 6 divitions of 36width

Will that work on Britain?

Also how much transport planes do i need for 6 divitions of 36w each one?

@inner sparrow

[inner sparrow]

idk I never use paratroopers

[dusty sandal]

it's 50 planes per division on the same order, no matter the size
if you drop 6 in one go, you need 300 transports
if you drop 3 twice, you need 150 but will only drop every 12 hrs (or 6 I can't recall exactly)
etc

[keen hemlock]

whats the mo that gives the little images next to the stats

[fathom thistle]

Are normal tanks pointless since we have spgs and tds? Like the only thing I can see good about tanks is that you only need iron if you dont add sum things in the design.

[light knoll]

generally use they're just worse in most cases

but they have some uses

[glacial steeple]

i fixed my own save

[light knoll]

🔥

i tried to enter it just now and my game crashed

[glacial steeple]

32w supremacy because you want them in urban and mountain imo

[glacial steeple]

ill fix the save

one min

[light knoll]

when i try to enter doctrines page, it crashes

[glacial steeple]

ah

yeah let me load it twice in vanilla then send again

it can be a bit buggy

gotta reload the game tho

ah

it doesnt seem to like saving

not sure what the issue is but it must be one of the mods being buggy smh will check that out later

ok it just crashes

its so over

[light knoll]

cooked

[glacial steeple]

it might be occupation laws ?

just have to narrow it down a bit

oh nvm its prob the mod that changes ahist ai

OR the research mod

OR the mods for the netherlands that are extremely buggy/unlocalized and unadvertedly add content to the files

probably the latter

but how could i play without my 1gb dutch planes model mod

ill remove them later :( its sad

[clear tide]

Can anyone teach me meta stuff (pls dm)

[brazen glade]

Hey can someone help me out I have some questions

When I am making a front line I have to individually put armies where I want because if I do the Field Marshal tanks will border woodland etc and I want them on the plains. How do I adjust where the troops go. I click them and move them but they just return back to where they were before

[austere roost]

Make a separate Frontline with tanks

[brazen glade]

Doing this I cant draw 1 offensive line I have to draw many and it gets messy

[neat widget]

"mods in stpuid" LMAO

[brazen glade]

Put them to a different marshal? Like a tank marshal

[austere roost]

Yeah

[brazen glade]

Okay thank you

[spark gorge]

could you help me with navy

[brazen glade]

Also I am getting no achievements, is it becuase I use mods?

[echo sigil]

Can I get some help?
I can't access the normal focus trees and they are locking me from my main focuses

Is R56

[gray solstice]

Any Tfr div meta?

[arctic stream]

Is this division good? It's really expensive idk if it'd worth it

[keen hemlock]

36 and 35 width are good

Id remove 4 motorized

And add assualt engineering vehicles over engineers

[glacial steeple]

idk

can i

[spark gorge]

I got it

[glacial steeple]

its not good but its also not expensive

[brazen glade]

Whats the best template for germany panzer and inf?

[spark gorge]

too much widht imo

make it 36

[glacial steeple]

inf use like anything below 1K cost

bottom right

[brazen glade]

I dont think I have this DLC

[arctic stream]

Alr thanks

[spark gorge]

götter

[errant chasm]

Yo Casey I was wondering eariler from the red baron games server on why we dont use carrier planes? As ice carriers can hold normal planes but are produced later in the game

[scenic nacelle]

im yet to play an actual RB game

but there shouldnt be a reason to not use carrier planes

[errant chasm]

Oh I was just asking the RB server about carrier planes and casey said about use ice carriers or normal planes

[scenic nacelle]

wtf do yall do in RB 😭

i would reccomend asking there though

[errant chasm]

Idk that was why I asked

@glacial steeple just a follow up question from eariler today.

[light knoll]

rb is like the only serious hoi4 server

you're most likely to get correct answers from there

[inner sparrow]

lies, we only give wrong answers

https://tenor.com/view/squishy-capybara-capybara-cute-gif-14475125612865943894

[light knoll]

:smh:

[stuck garnet]

hey :3

uhhh

is marine mountains good as commie japan

dlc

[glacial steeple]

hiii

[errant chasm]

This question

[glacial steeple]

more naval attack on large frame

more attack per plane

more attack per sortie

[errant chasm]

yeah but they come later in the game. And the regular carriers cant carry non-carrier planes as iirc a japan hmm guide recommends to build carriers at the start of the game but no carrier planes

[brazen glade]

Whats best width?

[dusty sandal]

singleplayer :
defense 18w
atk : 35/36/38 or 32 (mountains only)

[inner sparrow]

the planes that go on the carriers in mp are the carrier navs

which they are building in the guide

[errant chasm]

oh the plane template said improved naval bomber. But I will keep this in mind. Thanks for the clear up

[brazen glade]

Thankyou

Also I run out of fuel so easy how to manage it better?

[fathom thistle]

synthetic refineries

[celest oxide]

what are sub doctrines to use for ussr

[brazen glade]

Yes but even then it runs out fast, do I not use stuff at once

[fathom thistle]

take romania or ukraine

[pliant condor]

ok you need to use your critical thinking skills to not get trolled😂

think about when you can get an ice carrier

and when you can actually get one built

[errant chasm]

I have been told on RB later today it was a disinfo. It's just not feasible to build them which was why I was skeptical.

[pliant condor]

go in game and test it if you don't know

just look at the special project duration

[brazen glade]

As Germany when I finish with Poland I have like 0 fuel at the end and have to wait to attack the Maginot line

[fathom thistle]

import or just spam those refineries

there is also a romanian focus in germ tree which gives them some oils from romania if they are in axis

but thats like a bit too far

[pliant condor]

in vanilla

you need to make at least 2 collab on romania

and annex them asap

it's where all your fuel comes from

and in the meantime just buy from wherever you could

even soviet

[glacial steeple]

carrier planes are natural but not a big investment

[brazen glade]

How to buy fuel?

I can trade eveything else other then

[pliant condor]

do you have any source?

like iran? soviet?

[brazen glade]

I am chill with the soveits

How do I get fuel off them tho? Its not in the trade section

[compact violet]

why i can't install the TNO mod at ver 1.17?? I need help, im doing the right steps to install the mod and its not working

[pliant condor]

oil

[brazen glade]

I see thank you

[pliant condor]

so what steps did you follow

[compact violet]

extract the mod, move it to the document on HOI and to the data D, and i dont forget the descriptor (i use the manual steps)

the mod appear on the playset

but when i login on the HOI the mod doesn't work

im so confuse rn

[pliant condor]

did you select the playset when loading up the game

[compact violet]

i use the same method on kaiserreich and it works, but not on TNO

[compact violet]

yes

what should i do?

[pliant condor]

can you send a screenshot of the mod in the playset

[compact violet]

this?

[pliant condor]

make sure the path in the .mod file actually points to your mod's folder

ok wait 1 sec let me check how it should look like in the launcher

[compact violet]

okay

it has 2 mod file

[pliant condor]

you are looking at the wrong folder

it is in document/hoi/mod

[compact violet]

like this?

[compact violet]

did i use the wrong MOD file?

[stuck garnet]

hey hey

uhh

[pliant condor]

you need to edit the mod file

[stuck garnet]

after the 3 civil war focuses are done

[pliant condor]

so it points to your folder

[stuck garnet]

what do i research?

mid civil war

for germany ofc

[compact violet]

Didn't realize i need to do that

But how?

[pliant condor]

open it with a text editor

[pliant condor]

like what you would research on any other nation?

[stuck garnet]

wait

i missaid

what else do i focus on in the tree

[pearl heron]

so i was playing normally and i activated debug i forgot and i went to the main menu and found something saying "nudge" after looking at that for a bit i went back into a game and all of the provinces are now saying "state_123" or a random number similar how do i fix this?

[stuck garnet]

like army airforce economy

what

[pliant condor]

if you are going prioritize economic growth you need to do the first focus before finishing the civil war

then swap your economy law to war economy

so it doen't reset your economy law later

other than that just do economy focus

or political

no point in touching army or airforce

[pearl heron]

its a minor issue but i dont know how this happened

[compact violet]

Okay, and?? I don't know how to edit the mod file

[pliant condor]

look into the line called path

and replace it with the correct path to your mod folder

[red mesa]

nudge is the in-game map editing tool. When you save the changes it generates new map files in the hoi4 game files

but it looks like you messed up the localisation, which isn't normally what nudge touches

[compact violet]

this one?

[pliant condor]

yes

[pliant condor]

copy and paste the path to this folder here

[pearl heron]

im not sure what i did i just saw something new, clicked on it and clicked a few things, go back to play a new game and this is the result

[compact violet]

Okay

[pliant condor]

if not sure

verify integrity of game file

should solve all the issues

[pearl heron]

i have

multiple times

[red mesa]

then you made changes and saved them, overwriting the game files, you'll need to delete the files you edited and then verify again

or failing that, reinstall the whole game

[pearl heron]

ive also uninstalled, reinstalled so i probably have to manually fix the files

or do you mean do a wipe of the files then reinstall?

[red mesa]

to be sure, go to "Documents\Paradox Interactive\Hearts of Iron IV" and delete the folder called "map"

[compact violet]

Do i need to delete the MOD file inside the folder or no?

[crisp sapphire]

Anyone know how to fix this bug? I noticed that I had very few divisons on the frontline and I see this monolith of allied soldiers glitching and whatnot inside of belgrade and torino not being able to move at all even though it's showing the arrow

Multiplayer game also no mods

[shrewd stump]

Your divisions are praying bad about you giving them mercy by deleting them

[compact violet]

still wont work

[balmy dawn]

If I recall correctly, people say that Armore 2 on Ships and Armor 4 on Tanks is essentiall too much for the AI to pierce,,, is that correct?

[pliant condor]

send screenshot

[pliant condor]

it doesn't matter

[pliant condor]

make sure you use forward slash

[compact violet]

Can you send me a screenshot on one of your MOD file?

[pliant condor]

look at the path

[potent bough]

Hey is the Lion II class naval dominance rating supposed to be 1?

[pliant condor]

mods might not work with the new dominance system

i guess

[compact violet]

like this?

Do i need to copy the path to the other MOD file?

[pliant condor]

no

the entire path

you didn't copy the entire path

it shoul dbe C:/Users/xxx/Documents/...

[pliant condor]

only the .mod file here works

[compact violet]

so just the descriptor?

[celest oxide]

trotsky keeps surviving

the decisions

ive done it 6 times now

[neat widget]

RIP

[potent bough]

It was a mod yeah my bad lol but thank you

[pliant condor]

it's the file in the /mod folder that matters

[torpid wasp]

I got my achievement

[pliant condor]

you can do both missions at once

[compact violet]

Can i DM you?

[keen hemlock]

ice carriers take forever to get

so i wouldnt even consider them

[left glacier]

[left glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/derpy-derpy-hooves-mlp-my-little-pony-clap-gif-15401120

[celest oxide]

Bro i did the mission

😭 5 times

[vital plinth]

Hi I’m playing as Iran wanting to try the Persian empire ,
I only have 4 civs and 3 mills I don’t know what is best to build first

Should I build infrastructure in my capital ? It’s 40% and building slots are 3/6 atm

Only one place has 60% infrastructure and only 2 building slots tho but 48 oil there

[glacial steeple]

you can do civs because it takes forever to go to war

but mils are prob best

really youll only be making basic inf for a while

9 guys and support arty

luckily it works really well with the lack of nearby airfields and supply

so until you have mountaineers its the most reasonable thing to make imo

[pliant condor]

there are two missions

[pliant condor]

only ever build infra if you plan to build civs on there

[vital plinth]

But don’t infrastructure boost a lot ? When I build civ at the area with 3/5 infrastructure it completes at may 1936

But my capital only has 2/5 and it takes til sep 1936 to build

[glacial steeple]

not that much

especially not with low factory count

[vital plinth]

Its 4 months difference tho haha

[glacial steeple]

tho you get some civboost from ai and your eco tree isnt bad

[glacial steeple]

?

you also spend time making infra

which takes very long

[vital plinth]

Isn’t it faster than civs ?

[glacial steeple]

well yea but it doesnt output IC

its like a thing you can do if you have a lot of build slots in a state, or already high infra, or both

[vital plinth]

I get some from export yeah a bounch so even tho I only have 2 civs to work with I can get up to 7 to work with After few days

[glacial steeple]

its more expensive when at low infra

[glacial steeple]

make some civs for yourself in the 60% state then mils

or only mils

imo having some civs is pretty nice for iran

the exports will stop

[vital plinth]

Whats IC ?

[glacial steeple]

industrial capacity such as production, construction

[vital plinth]

Ah ok it’s a lot of building slots is only when you want to upgrade infrastructure or ressoxues?

[glacial steeple]

well it just makes its cost back easier/more

[vital plinth]

Since I only have 6 building slots currently in my capital it would be a lot of time wasted on it to only have 3 slots out of 6 to build on after ?

[glacial steeple]

in low infra states its very difficult to get the IC spent on infra back

and none of your states have a lot of build slots save for maybe tehran

which you have a focus for which gives it 2 infra

in the eco tree

tehran will also get more build slots from the eco tree

[vital plinth]

I see what you mean if I understand right it’s also about the cost and efficiency / effectiveness over the time period of 4+ years ? So using a almost year to max infrastructure only to build 4-5 civs is a big waste ?

[glacial steeple]

yes!

you already sacrifice the output of the earlier civs

and the IC output + IC saved still have to be a higher number than the infra cost

and since infra affects itself, at lower infra levels its also more expensive

[vital plinth]

Still a little confused what is IC ?

[glacial steeple]

sure you would like high infra, but the cost to gain ratio doesnt justify making it

[glacial steeple]

industrial capacity, output, construction, however you wanna call it

in this case its construction/civ industrial capacity (CIC)

but it can also refer to military or dockyard IC

they are heavily connected

[vital plinth]

It only affects construction speed right ?

[hexed meteor]

i dont have any dlcs for flame tank

[glacial steeple]

yes but construction is not the goal

the goal is to field as large an army as possible

or rather

have the most MIC out by wartime

[vital plinth]

Mix is factory output of mills ?

[neat widget]

mic is yeah

[vital plinth]

Does infrastructure affects mill and dockyard output?

Or is that for civs only

Do you know some things about the Iran focuses ? Is the immortal focus good or bad makes a new Template gives2 units but not sure if it’s good or bad

[glacial steeple]

no

[glacial steeple]

its okay ? theres better focuses

but if you need 2 units with your newest researched gun then its there

[vital plinth]

The 70 days one that gives 3 unit seems bad but I’m told there is a 35 day one that gives 3 unit too

It’s more to build up army for Iran and Afghanistan

[glacial steeple]

just dont do them unless you feel like a few thousand guns is worth a lot to you

which is usually in or near war

again youre looking at things wrong

[vital plinth]

Wanna form the Persian empire so need to get up armies but with only 3 mills it’s gonna take time ex might have to only build 2-3 civs at max and then mills

[glacial steeple]

unit spawn ins dont help you scale

they dont give you military output

anything that leads to mil output like factory spawn ins are good

even build speed eventually gives it

[glacial steeple]

2 factories gun 1 arty from day 1

and then just add more to the gun