ask-for-help-here

[plucky otter]

By getting good duh

[austere isle]

woooooow u dont say

like do i buld infra or civs untill giant wakes

[plucky otter]

Infra

You dont build civs as usa

You already start with enough

[austere isle]

ok

[untold monolith]

in mp should france go for spgs or tds?

[austere isle]

tds

[plucky otter]

Heavy tds

[glacial steeple]

idk depends on your enemy

tds are more solid but perform worse if you know your enemy has a soft build

[dusky girder]

Which one of this is better

Dispersed Industry btw

[tepid umbra]

Usually tds

Unless they're making an infantry build

[vital plinth]

https://youtu.be/HM1HPilkpVc?si=PDJPimNwxrxEUX-X

hi im trying USA i currently cant follow his focus tree at around 22 min into the video regarding giant awakening focus

I need 30% war support , he has 5% base and 7% more from world tension while my world tension is going down and i dont get that 5% base war support mine is only 23% from an event later that gave 5% but he got the base value of 5% much earlier

Is it because i dont have the DLCs except le resistance ?

I need 30% war support to do the focus he mentions which has a big impact

[tepid umbra]

Prolly is a dlc problem

[austere roost]

The one that adds production gain efficiency is better since usually retention is not useful. Which is also why concentrated is better than dispersed

[tepid umbra]

Retention can be useful, but at that game stage when you get that, prolly not

[raven maple]

Hey I’m assuming that a lot of you have played Russia went for a civil war and see JAPAN HAS JOINED THE AXIS and then you started a new run

Like whhhhhhhyyyy Japan

Btw I had no troops on the border

[vital plinth]

Is 18 width infantry with support artilly anti air and engeeer bad ? Or do I need more battalions?

[tepid umbra]

Good holding

[tepid umbra]

Were you at war with the axis?

[raven maple]

I hear that 28 is the sweet spot but idk I just hear that with YouTuber like bittersteel

[raven maple]

Not yet

But Japan could call them in

[vital plinth]

Good holding ?

[tepid umbra]

Like

Defensive

[raven maple]

Same with mancoko

[tepid umbra]

Obv you can't have tanks/expensive offensive divs for every tile

And for most opponents you need something stronger than that to push well

[vital plinth]

Soft attack 81

[raven maple]

Pretty nice hp

[raven maple]

Also who are you playing as

Like Germany France Belgium

[tepid umbra]

Yeah that's a good division for holding

Maybe drop the engi or support art, but tbh not that deep

[raven maple]

@tepid umbra but what do you think of my situation

Sry for @ you

[austere isle]

nah

[tepid umbra]

Nah you good

[tepid umbra]

So you're at war with japan

[raven maple]

Yea all my troops are on the border with SU

Too

And they joined the axis

[tepid umbra]

How much troops do you have

[raven maple]

I think 4 full army groups and 14 i need to check

[tepid umbra]

Do you have the equipment and manpower to train more?

[raven maple]

No

[tepid umbra]

Delete some and train more in the west

That's all i could say

[tepid umbra]

I doubt you'd need allat for japan

[raven maple]

I feel like I might just start anew but maybe

[tepid umbra]

With the right divs you can kick them out of mainland asia pretty easily from my experience

[raven maple]

It is still 1937

[tepid umbra]

I'd just play a bit more

[tepid umbra]

How do you have 4 army groups

Lemme see your divs and your logistics

[raven maple]

There are decisions to raise cav in provenance’s that you control and I currently can’t I’m out of my house also it might be 3 and I just forgot

[raven maple]

The cav thing I meant that will switch to your side when the cival war starts

I went beaten but not defeated

[tepid umbra]

Still seems like a lot

[tepid umbra]

Yeah i know

Cuz you're at jap war i sort of guessed 😭 ✌️

[raven maple]

No matter what vocal war you go like sssr they will declare war

[raven maple]

Cival

Typo

[vital plinth]

USA

[raven maple]

Ok

[raven maple]

I was just wondering because minor nations start with a really small industry so you might not be able to out produce your lack of equipment but you def have the industry

[vital plinth]

Should I even convert civs to mills in USA ?

[raven maple]

Idk never played usa

[glacial steeple]

if youre out of build slots/want more production earlier

[low vector]

Is it worth it as canada to make mechanized infantry early on because of the 1x200 bonus to truck? Or should i just aim to make medium tank divisions

[vital plinth]

But generally betrrr to use them to build and rarely convert ?

[cursive coyote]

anyone knows on what thing general traits are being generated?

[neat widget]

I mean you can totally make mech divisions

Of course you can also use this to make better medium tank divisions

[austere isle]

depends on the buld

[glacial steeple]

converting is probably better for the first few months production wise

its required in mods like kaiserreich where the world war is in like 1939 and ends there

so like a short time window

[sweet summit]

At how many mills do you guys start building planes/ tanks ?

I can never do that cuz i need to haev like 30/35 on guns

[austere roost]

you most likely don't need 30 guns unless have very low factory output/production efficiency

but it really depends on your own situation. Do you really need 30 factories on guns to not go into the red?

[sweet summit]

I do start training a lot of divisions

Like 72/120

[austere roost]

for reference i have 216 divisions by barb and 20 on rifles is enough. I have 43 production cap tech and 41 concentrated

[sweet summit]

💀

Damn

[austere roost]

tbh a lot of it is not wasting guns, who are you playing as?

[sweet summit]

Hungary / austria

Last run austria

[harsh bison]

so i didnt even invade italy yet i got them as a puppet when italian civil war broke out??

[pliant condor]

then you have everything on guns

[left mica]

Just make tank with mech

100 soft attack is abysmal

[glacial steeple]

well youre right in that you should rush mech

ASAP

[fierce idol]

what's a good template for naval invasions?

[celest shuttle]

hi how this guy can command 72 division ?

this is bug ?

or when they defend they can have more troop ?

[light knoll]

yea

when you set an area defense order they can hold 72 troops

[celest shuttle]

@light knollthank u very much

[hoary glen]

They can hold more, but they still stop gaining Leader XP the normal way. So if you want level the General keep them below 28~30 divs per gen

[hoary glen]

Marines. You can check pins

[fierce idol]

no dlcs, no flame tanks

[celest shuttle]

@hoary glenthank u

[fringe trench]

GER:Grüße ich bin Anfänger und spiele Deutschland Suche jemand welcher mir ein bissen etwas beibringen kann damit ich nicht immer gegen die Sowjets verliere Europa lässt sich für mich einfach einnehmen aber Asien + Freies Frankreich macht es immer problematisch.

ENG:Greetings, I’m a beginner and I’m playing as Germany. I’m looking for someone who can teach me a bit so I don’t always lose against the Soviets. Europe is easy for me to take, but Asia and Free France always make things problematic.

[tropic seal]

Lol if you form the nordic union you can steal germany's norwegian puppet from them? That's hilarious

[tropic seal]

Free france (if you mean central and southern africa) has terrible supply. i wouldnt usually reccomend fighting them unless if you REALLY want to get rid of free france for some reason. Holding northern africa is enough. What are your division templates?

[tropic seal]

And you can do this without germany getting mad at you and declaring

[hollow linden]

U know u can just text in English

U don't gotta text 2 languages

[light knoll]

no, you should not overstack your generals. you should have 24 divisions under each general. the general not only stop gaining xp but also get a nerf to the stats he offers.

30 only with skilled staffer

[median terrace]

Cna

Can pleas some person help me?

I need heelp with the naivelinvasion and Parachutist

[nova iron]

hello gonna ask what division template should i use if im using a minor nation? for pushing and defending kinda new to the game itself

[tropic seal]

How do I proclaim nordic unity? I can't annex my puppets

Am i just cooked

does anyone have an advanced light airframe fighter and/or cas template

[granite patio]

Is that fighter 4

sorry

Little sleep

[tropic seal]

yes

like its the last fighterr before jet fighter

[granite patio]

Ohhhh

Wait

Nah.

I have improved

I would think it’s just heavy mg’s

Best 1x engine

And extra fuel tanks, self sealing, and armor plates

Usually that’s what I do

[tropic seal]

ah aight

[granite patio]

Depends on the nation tho

[tropic seal]

why?

[granite patio]

US can more efficiently rush for jet engines

And they go heavy fighters

[tropic seal]

this only uses 26 weight out of 30 thrust though

[granite patio]

Do you really need the extra thrust?

I wouldn’t really think so

You’ll kill anything the AI tosses up

[tropic seal]

well if i dont use engine 4 then its too heavy

engine 3 gives 25 thrust

[granite patio]

Typically you always want to put on the best 1x engine

You have

[tropic seal]

ight

[granite patio]

Take out an armor plate

If your stressed about the eastesthrust

Wasted thrust

It should still kill everything

[tropic seal]

ight

[tropic seal]

u go tone for cas?

[hollow linden]

I got these

[granite patio]

Yeah heavy bomb locks

That’s the thing you need

[hollow linden]

For f3 u can just add one more bomb lock and remove the range module

And use e4

[granite patio]

Deadass never used the missiles

[hollow linden]

No reason to

They suck ass

[granite patio]

Don’t play late enough into the game

[tropic seal]

what are those two on the first one?

[hollow linden]

Cannon 2

[tropic seal]

the two tube things

ah aight

[granite patio]

Wait that’s cannon two?

Hahaha

[hollow linden]

What about it

[granite patio]

Also never built those

[tropic seal]

no dive brakes on the cas?

[granite patio]

I thought those were missiles

[hollow linden]

Eh they're pretty forgettable

Hmg Just kinda carries

[granite patio]

Yeah

[hollow linden]

Like this is the only design I'd ever use them in

[granite patio]

Makes sense

[hollow linden]

If u got supersonic or modern you'd use hmg again

Specifically if you are going f3, which is already bad, since f2 also kinda carries and if you go beyond, hmg is better again

So in conclusion: don't use cannon 2 lmao

[hollow linden]

What for

I'm not naval striking

Unless you are

[tropic seal]

oh

[hollow linden]

Then sure

But u won't fit them

[tropic seal]

ok

[hollow linden]

Air defense does nothing on cas

[tropic seal]

ah aight

[hollow linden]

AA ignores air defense

[tropic seal]

is there any way for me to do this

i cant annex my puppets

i cant release them

am i just cooked

[hollow linden]

Then u obv Cant

[tropic seal]

wdym

oh

aight

[hollow linden]

Unless there's a focus

Never played that path

[tropic seal]

nah i checke the tree

im done with it pretty much

dang

cores on everything would be nice

considering im starved of mp

[stuck garnet]

?

[hollow linden]

What's the confusion?

It does.

Air defense isn't a stat that interacts with AA

Since it's an air stat, not Land stat

[tropic seal]

i kinda wish that we actually had to island hop to the pacific

instead of being able to invade japan directly

like as the us you can just ignore everything japan does and setup a naval invasion from hawaii

and then cap them and win

[austere isle]

do u play mp games

[tropic seal]

naw mostly singeplayer

[austere isle]

u shod play mp its fun

[tropic seal]

i dont usualyl have time to sit down for like 4-6 hours of hoi4 straight

[austere isle]

fair

[hoary glen]

Then you want to use Scout Tanks, Engineers, Field Hospital, Support Arty and Support Rocket Arty. Sorry for the late reply.

[hoary glen]

On Area Defence? Are you sure about that? Please test it and send me Screenshots.

[hoary glen]

Naval Invasion needs to be planned, divs assigned and you need Naval Supremacy. Air is the same but Air superiority and you need to station transport planes at the starting airport.

If you struggle always check the Tooltip of the Order, it explains what you are doing wrong.

[light knoll]

oh, i didn't realize you were talking about area defense still. for area defense its kinda irrelevant because you don't usually need to level the generals for it, they're for unimportant stuff like port guards

[hoary glen]

Back in my Day there was another use 👴 ||pre 1.17||

[glacial steeple]

instead of making the islands more important theyve become less important

[glacial steeple]

really showing your age here

you have to be at least like what

3 months old or something

[tropic seal]

You can straight up ignore all the islands

It's incredibly sad

Like the pacific campaign was this brutal war of attrition

But nah

I don't know how they could fix this issue though

Maybe by increasing debuffs for longer naval supply chains drastically?

[tropic seal]

Doesn't help that all ai navies are dead after this update

So the Japanese Navy doesn't even put up a fight

[glacial steeple]

its because of supply lines being very simplified

and very fast

[glacial steeple]

they never could

no fuel

[tropic seal]

Yes there's practically no noticeable penalties for having a supply stretching from Hawaii to tokyo

[tropic seal]

Like that doesn't make sense

[glacial steeple]

as japan you dont have the resources for going island hopping

people just have the misconception

irl they did it because it cost like nothing

[tropic seal]

Yeah and even if you do go island hopping it's useless anyway

The USA bypasses the islands and just caps you

[glacial steeple]

in game combat width on islands is too large and theyre not valuable

[tropic seal]

I think maybe by tweaking naval supply?

Forcing you to use the islands to resupply

But they have to fix the AI navies firs

They're literally so bad that I haven't produced any ships other than convoys in the past five playthroughs

[haughty ravine]

I been having such a large issue with my frontlines where the AI will just leave a gap in the frontline even with an excess in needed troops, its at this point the main thing that ruins my campaigns.

[zenith zephyr]

Why is it that all the time I play as spain and I war france, germany (and this time italy), takes a lot of land even though they haven't done nothing in the war. Italy literally was just like 2 tiles into france and I was at Paris, and it ends up like this.

[storm hound]

why is the elicopter recon not paradropaple but the medic version is ?

[lofty tusk]

How to fix the bug that causes my naval dominance to drop to 0 in the mediterranian as italy? Im dominating on land but my convoys just get f***ked because of this bug so ill just withdraw my boats from the area

[latent sleet]

I just downloaded the game and when i try to launch it just stops anyone know fix?

<@&846894118219022336>

[gilded plover]

Why did you ping mods?

[latent sleet]

So i can get help?

Is ut not allowed?

[gilded plover]

Mods are there when someone breaks tge server rules

And not to help with the game

[ashen sigil]

Is Japan a bad country to play for a beginner

[latent sleet]

Ok Mb

And i fixed it

[gilded plover]

You have to do navy

[latent sleet]

Btw

[gilded plover]

I recomend germany

Or italy

[fierce idol]

cheers

[latent sleet]

How do u make like ur own name on a country?

[gilded plover]

Ig you have to change it in the files

[latent sleet]

Ok

[ashen sigil]

Ye I am currently sticking to Italy but I just wondered
I try to do the Industrialization Program mission but I got 200 days to complete it when the next Civilian Factory is in 500 days 😭

[median jackal]

Is it even possible to beat France as Italy before Germany, no matter what I do I can't pierce thru the Alpes

Even going full mounainers

[hoary glen]

Depending on how you feel you either want to play as Germany or Australia/ Canada either full impact and restarts on fail or no impact to not insta be game over.

[lofty tusk]

If u take over switzerland u should have better chances

[median jackal]

Never thought of that, that would actually help a lot

Especially if I have Austria with me

[glacial steeple]

its a bit hard but its fine

[glacial steeple]

you dont have to

[glacial steeple]

i mean imo japan gives a lot of good practice in buildup then china war

[median jackal]

I know I can beat Vichy France easily, but I want to try to beat France when it's actually a challenge haha

[ashen sigil]

I will try it
Also is there anything I can do to speed up the construction of civilian factories to prevent this

[gilded karma]

contruction research exists

[glacial steeple]

just dont make civs

take china

lots of factories there

[glacial steeple]

doesnt matter anyway

your construction is slow

[ashen sigil]

Oh yeah I am definetely gonna play Japan instead of Italy from now on lol

[hoary glen]

I cannot recommend China war to a beginner tbh

[ashen sigil]

How hard could it be

[glacial steeple]

well, its pretty easy now

if you dont do collabs

[hoary glen]

Asia is a terrible learning environment bc the terrain is so ass

[glacial steeple]

its actually harder with collabs

[hoary glen]

And you need to know well about supply, rivers etc

[glacial steeple]

cant cap warlords for fun

[glacial steeple]

yes you need this regardless

its imo good knowledge/practice

[hoary glen]

You don't in Europe

[glacial steeple]

theres no pressure to join ww2

you should always have the upper hand over china even if it takes 70 years

[hoary glen]

Igb

[glacial steeple]

like idk maybe we see it differently

but i think japan is fine for a beginner nation, all nations have issues and strenghts to beginners ofc

but i think having a semi-large front without the allies is pretty good for practice

the hard things to learn are more production/focuses/doing collabs

[hoary glen]

There's a lot better ones to practice tho

[pallid iris]

Ideal ranger division for minor nation? Playing baltics

[hoary glen]

Pins

[glacial steeple]

maybe make like 32-34w actually

[pallid iris]

I don't think I'll be using armour or projects

[glacial steeple]

you can definitely make a land facility

each of them have like a lot of civs

[pallid iris]

ill see

im doing a diev latvia run, gonna hold off soviets

[gilded karma]

actually, in what dlc are the additional div types and supports?

e.g. helicopters and rangers

[glacial steeple]

gotterdammerung for helis, rangers are AAT

flame tanks are NSB

[gilded karma]

👍

[junior marlin]

Guys, I can't find any mod which supports the latest version of the game

(Korean war)

And Vietnam

War

Can anyone help

[obsidian badger]

i tagged over to a country because they were glitched

wtf is this

[gilded shuttle]

what are dlcs that are worth it

[untold crescent]

No step back

Essential

[remote bone]

What divs should I use as mapchue chile

[remote bone]

I like them all but the spy one

[tardy mesa]

im playing poland and i tried restoring the commonwealth but lithuania declared war on me and i annexed them thinking it would just skip some focuses, now im kinda stuck in the focus tree do i just have to restart

nvm im just blind i need 50% complaince

[silk abyss]

Yeah and pretty fast

[tardy mesa]

i just released them as a puppet that fixed it

[wise heron]

what happens if i am in the allies but attack an democratic nation, even if its 0% war tension?

[dusty sandal]

allies will join your war

[wise heron]

will they not get angry and like kick me?

[tight vector]

great war redux

is it ok?

its not my main troop just one for huge amounts of short lived soft attack

[obsidian badger]

ask in great war redux discord server

from a regular hoi4 perspective that division gave me an aneurysm

[tight vector]

I am NOT going into there

I would rather swim in a sess pit than join that hell hole

[glacial steeple]

uhhh ni

no*

look at tile combat widths

you wanna fit about 3-4 in battle when attacking 2 into 1 tile

like 2 sides

its just too large

i wouldnt even hate 9/1 or whatever gaming in gwr

afaik arty is more cost effective than howis as well

[topaz yew]

hello, does anyone have any tip to capitulate shanxi before the chinese united front forms? ive failed a few times

i can relatively easily push into the desert but i cant take the captal

[steel ferry]

hello would anyone know why my fleet does not leave port/doesn't have range to patrol. (base auto feature is on and auto split is not on)

[austere roost]

Where is your home port

[steel ferry]

it is in la coruna

[steel ferry]

i have better snip

[austere roost]

It will need to be in Galicia then

Also what happened to the civil war? Nationalist Spain starts with way more land

[topaz yew]

have i done something significant enough wrong? even when i take the capital i get bogged down

[steel ferry]

oh tis a strategic retreat

[steel ferry]

the port is in galicia

[austere roost]

Doesn't seem like it. If it's in Galicia you should be able to at least access those two tiles

Are there two la corunas?

[steel ferry]

no I can show the ports but there is only one

[austere roost]

Then I really don't know

But you really shouldn't retreat like that

You just let Republicans access to Bilbao

[steel ferry]

alg, just asking abt navy stuff.

[topaz yew]

how on earthare people invading warlords after shanxi too

[steel ferry]

was confused since i know the port has supply and the fuel is full, why the ships no navy? the two strat sea tiles are not able to be accessed pre and post civil war

[steel ferry]

"They expect me to win, I do what is most unexpected" -Sun Tzu

[austere roost]

You're giving up cores and have fun going through unplanned offensives

[steel ferry]

so no navy?

[austere roost]

Maybe reassigning them could help but navy is just really bugged in this patch

[steel ferry]

like changing admiral? if so i have done that before

[austere roost]

Idk, I haven't played scw since new dlc. Maybe someone else with experience in Spain can tell you why. But overall navy is very bugged now and hopefully the new patch will fix a lot of the problems

[steel ferry]

Ty for you time.

[austere roost]

Sry couldn't help you

[hoary glen]

I think you're out of supply/ fuel for the fleet. Try to hover the x at no accessible region or the exclamation mark next to the fuel barrel

[steel ferry]

here is the fuel pic, when i hover my cursor over the x no accessible region nothing shows up

[low vector]

As a Minor country should I not bother on making tanks and planes? For example I am playing as Canada (Historical). Should I just focus on infantry and making special forces?

[topaz yew]

as communist china should i go or shanxi or is ninxia ma beter to get?

oh maybe i should ignore the guyuan border conflict?

damnit no that didnt work

they declared on me here

ill try restarting fromt he start i think

[hoary glen]

Mhh. They are not repairing, right? You can try putting the fleet on hold, disable auto port, set another port and set it back to la Coruna. If you then click on the fleet it should at least have some range.

[steel ferry]

no not repairing, i have done that but sill no changes unfortunately.

[topaz yew]

goodness me i was able to win with like a week spare, you really gotta time it right

[gilded shuttle]

question, how can you up ur infantry's strenght level?

[south obsidian]

how can i get my fascism support up?

[gilded shuttle]

focus tree prob.

[south obsidian]

i dont see anyting that helps it

[gilded shuttle]

are you playing uk?

[south obsidian]

yes

very good nation, france is stupid and attacked me first month ingame

[gilded shuttle]

check on the focus tree...

[gilded shuttle]

germany seems, kind of different

[south obsidian]

fragmented

[gilded shuttle]

anyways, you gotta check ur focus tree.

[south obsidian]

ohhhh i have to do the marches

[autumn latch]

10 inf, 1 sup arty, 1 sup anti air, 1 field hosp, 1 logistics, 1 cav recon - good defensive template?

[pseudo ridge]

hey guys i plan on playing hoi4 again to learn how the navy works in this game, any beginner friendly countries to play?

[austere roost]

Logistics isn't really needed for inf divisions

You can add engineers for more entrenchment

[hoary glen]

I tried to replicate your Issue, but tbh I have no idea. If you can repeat the issue and play vanilla maybe file a bug report

[cloud wasp]

NEED HELP WITH MY GERMANY RUN

PLEASE JOIN WHOEVER CAN

im in helping lounge 1

[neat widget]

How did you get Franco-British Union?

I thought that only spawned when they were allied

and then France fell

[untold monolith]

the us is pretty good to learn navy

or canada ig but youll have a much smalller navy

[pseudo ridge]

i was canada to learn military since i didnt know what i was doing as italy or germany

[vital plinth]

Can someone help me regarding infantry I’m very confused I’m following bittersteel USA guide
But it’s only 3 x3 infantry and support stuff
Shouldn’t I add artillery and stuff for more soft attack ?

[austere roost]

No

Line artillery makes your divisions do less damage

https://youtu.be/qYmklEwTh6k?si=Wl0NjwjAZjggey_O

If you want to add artillery build spgs

Spgs are an upgrade to both line artillery and tanks

[tropic seal]

I'd start with Finland if you want to really learn the army stuff

As Canada you're never actually under threat or defending

[austere roost]

I would say do Japan

earliest to start a big war among the majors

try to defeat China as fast as you can and once you can do that you know army well

[vital plinth]

But don’t they add soft attack ?

[austere roost]

watch the video

there's a difference between soft attack and soft attack/width and soft attack * org

and how buffs and terrain work

if you have tungsten to spend use it on spgs

[tropic seal]

I agree but I hate playing navy lol

[glacial anchor]

No japans a bloody nightmare in my experience

[austere roost]

that's how you learn how to do army

you learn how to do naval invasions, how to use cas, and how to manage supply

[glacial anchor]

Yeah but it’s a completely unenjoyable experience

Imo Canada’s good for learning how to micro, js make a few good tank divisions and your set

But Hungary’s probably better for that bc once Canada gets a major (ie more than 2 times wide) land front to fight on the wars basically over

*tiles

[tropic seal]

Anyone who doesn't like navy is cooked as japan

So it's up to personal preference probably

Fighting in china also isn't that enjoyable to be fair

[austere roost]

oh yeah fighting china also teaches you how to use spies

[tropic seal]

We ALL play without la resistance

(it's just me)

[alpine pivot]

good?

[tight vector]

could I use armored cars for cheap space marines?

[austere roost]

no

armor is too low

you need 1940 to research armor cars anyway, might as well just build cheap tanks

[light knoll]

"doesn't like navy" and its clicking 2 buttons

for the china war you don't need any navy at all

and fighting in the islands is not something you have to do

you can fight Soviets instead

[gilded shuttle]

i'm a newbie, and i played france, but i did not activate historical thing, this happened.

[light knoll]

or get mill access from Germany and invade uk mainland

which literally just takes taking your existing navy and putting it on patrol

[light knoll]

seems on the normal side

for ahist

[vital plinth]

Why is super battle ship so long build ?

[austere roost]

did you put lvl 3 armor?

[vital plinth]

Lol with 2 guns it so gonna take til 1946 to finish 😅

[vital plinth]

Think so yeah

[austere roost]

that's why

you don't need that

[tropic seal]

It just doesn't feel rewarding to play navy

[austere roost]

bbs don't take much damage until you don't have enough screen

the screen is the bb's armor

[tropic seal]

You build a huge fleet that's following a good template for what

[alpine pivot]

mate im f***ed i got the dandubian federation all around me

[tropic seal]

The enemy sends out 50 DDS and dies

There's no enjoyment in winning a naval battle

[light knoll]

but you aren't playing navy

you use your preexisting navy to naval invade

[tropic seal]

He's trying to learn army from scratch if he's fighting china and the Soviets he'll have to learn supply first

[light knoll]

and play on land

[vital plinth]

So no armor ?

[light knoll]

yes that's a good thing

supply is one of the most important things to learn

[austere roost]

yeah armor 1 is enough

[tropic seal]

One thing at a time man depending on how new they are just learning to draw offensive orders could be something they haven't done yet

Dealing with the railroad supply system supply level motorisation priority stuff isn't the first thing someone learns in the game

Especially in china and eastern Russia where the supply is just absolutely cooked even if you do know how it works

[vital plinth]

I also noticed I didn’t have enough crommium that’s why it was 1946 moved down to 1944 and after filling the chromium it’s 1941 now 👍

Are super battleships worth it ?

[austere roost]

Carriers are broken right now

But it's nice to have a shbb ig

[tropic seal]

Bathtubs or actual carriers?

[austere roost]

just max out decks on your carriers

you don't need other things

all the damage from a carrier comes from naval bombers

[tropic seal]

Does the empty carrier strategy for getting naval dominance still work?

[austere roost]

i guess so? never did it

[vital plinth]

Should I still produce even if my fleet ships number gets very high ?

I played 2-3 games and never had struggle with enemy navry

[tropic seal]

No

[austere roost]

with maximum subdoctrines you can get 9 carriers in a fleet

but usually it's 4-5

[tropic seal]

Fielding a large navy is useless in singleplayer

That steel is better off spent on tanks and stuff

[vital plinth]

Is it even worth to focus on navry ? I feel they so easy to destroy with navry bombers from coast

[tropic seal]

It's not

The AI is terrible at navy

[vital plinth]

I’m mostly producing cheap screens and mine field destroyers

[tropic seal]

At most pump out a few destroyers and light cruisers then stop production

[tropic seal]

Good enough

I just use naval bombers

[vital plinth]

What’s the point of navry to prevent naval invasions only ?

[tropic seal]

What country are you playing?

[vital plinth]

I’m USA

[tropic seal]

Naval invasions are incredibly easy to repel

[vital plinth]

It’s my third game

[tropic seal]

Ah I've played the USA like twixe

So I can't give any advice

I usually play as the Soviets

Who don't use a navy at all

[vital plinth]

But convoy raiding is still very important no ?

Cutting off teasocues and supply to coast lands

[tropic seal]

No

As the USA you can jump to Iwo Jima

And then naval invade the Japanese mainland

And they capitulate quite fast

Against Germany the British ai navy usually wrecks the German ai navy

So that's not a problem either

[vital plinth]

Then what’s really point of navry seems pointless waste all of it except convoys 😅

[tropic seal]

There's really no point to making a big navy in singleplayer

Convoys are important though I'd always produce those

You're better off working solely on your army and airforce

[glacial steeple]

if you win you win

dont need more

[open radish]

hey, there's any modern helicopter special project?

I was playing, and suddently this special project showed up for me

unlocking a special unit

Air assault unit

very good

[cold bloom]

Only early heli I believe

[glacial anchor]

Me too (money ran out :()

[wet crater]

I mostly just steal my ships

If I have dockyards I throw most on convoys

And will aim to throw out a heavy ship line, destroyer line, and cruiser line

Afterward

Since it doesnt hurt per se to make ships, so much as its not something to focus on too hard if your stealing boatd

[tropic seal]

That's what I do lol

[tropic seal]

Yep

[wet crater]

This is why plan z as germany sucks

Realistically its so much better to nick the french fleet

Then merge the german starting fleet with that and crush the british in the channel

Dont need total numerical superiority to crush the ai at sea

Cause its dumb

[neat widget]

if you want to cross oceans then there's a point ig

[wet crater]

Its easier to steal it

But as japan or britain its harder to skimp on ship production, since, your an island

[glacial steeple]

nah

air kills subs

[foggy coral]

hey guys im trying to have the achivement but it so hard. do you have exploit to use on bot like letting a port for them to get in it and keep killing them

[glacial steeple]

which archievement

[foggy coral]

crusader kings 3 and no more partision

[dusky cloak]

Maybe better off asking in the respective server

[dusky cloak]

Hi casey

[foggy coral]

which one?

[dusky cloak]

ooh

oh wit

I'm stupid sorry

[foggy coral]

it okay lol

[glacial steeple]

hiii Tac

[dusky cloak]

If ur having trouble u can make Space Marines to make fighting easier

[glacial steeple]

as who is that i forgot

crusader kings are just kinda hard tho

[dusky cloak]

Port baiting might work for ck3 but harder for no partition cause ur gonna fight land wars in ussr or Germany

[foggy coral]

okayy thanks

[verbal arrow]

yo guys any tips for reformist enclave

played puritist but ran out of manpower so stopped

[grand iris]

Well what If you dont have the dlc for that

[celest shuttle]

I don’t understand why after I conquered Tibet, a few months later it turned back into the Tibetan Empire and pushed all of my troops back to the capital in Nanjing.

[glacial steeple]

is it a japanese puppet?

[analog maple]

is this a good design for japan to fight china?

[celest shuttle]

@glacial steepleIt wasn’t a Japanese puppet — it was neutral. But when I attacked it, it immediately joined Japan’s faction, so even after I occupied all of its territory, I still couldn’t fully finish it off.

[glacial steeple]

ah, maybe resistance got too high somehow?

[hoary glen]

• Support arty and you're good

[analog maple]

ok

thx

[languid trout]

no

use the normal infantry division that u get but remove 3 infantry battallions

btw i recommend waiting till 1938 to fight china so you're fully ready

[analog maple]

that the normal infantry division that i get

[languid trout]

no i meant the other one

there should be another template that contains 12 inf bats and some support comps

use that but remove 3 infantry bats

[glacial steeple]

why

just keep it as it is

works offensively

maybe add an artillery to it if you can

[glacial steeple]

these are great to hold the line

just dont push with them

use hohei shidan and 2 of the tanks to push

delete/convert third tank to inf

[glacial steeple]

this is also just bad??

china scales, your best relative strenght is always earlier

[analog maple]

this one?

[languid trout]

i would if i was planning to use it as an offensive template

[glacial steeple]

if its lower hp it just takes more losses

[languid trout]

i tend to try to get the sps

then attack

[glacial steeple]

youre not filling combat width in china

[verbal arrow]

anyone got a good power armour push div and a hold div for reform enclave

[languid trout]

i know

[glacial steeple]

i feel like i usually cap china before you even go to war lol so its different experiences ig

[languid trout]

thats why i use the basic 18 width for defense because i likely wont have enough equipment

[glacial steeple]

but your way of doing it is a lot slower

[languid trout]

to get them all to nearly full strength

[languid trout]

from my games, its fine

i usually cap china that way by 1938 or 1939 if i do badly

[glacial steeple]

i usually cap china late 37/early 38

and if i do poorly its late 38 maybe

and thats just skill issue atp

[languid trout]

i can kill china by the time how paradox intends it to happen

which is in 1937

i just believe that its more satisfying

to absolutely shred the chinese

with no chance of being stalled

[verbal arrow]

yo do u have agency

agency makes china muuuch easier

with collabs

[languid trout]

yes

[languid trout]

yeah?

ik that

[verbal arrow]

yeah so with collabs it should be easy work

without them you gotta go to like chongquing

[languid trout]

idk if china still gets that spirit that makes their cap req at 10%

when the united front forms

[glacial steeple]

paradox intends it to be 1945 or whatever

its why you have to strike early because china really does scale, not super heavily, but occupation costs will get you

[languid trout]

no i meant by the time that paradox wants us to declare war

[glacial steeple]

thats just historical

[languid trout]

u can still defeat them either way

[dry dome]

Wouldn't it be better to make it one big puppet? Haven't played Japan since the new DLC so idk if you can still do that

[languid trout]

u could

u can make reorganized china

however

itll take them a really long time to core all of china

and they have the old chinese focus tree

[glacial steeple]

no

you get way less stuff

even before

its like

125% of all factories vs 25% civs and 65% mils

[celest shuttle]

@glacial steeple yes resistance is high i dont find a way to reduce it i just play for 1 week 😄

[fleet moth]

Is this tank design good?

What is the best doctrine for tanks?

[analog maple]

why is china so protected in ports? i cant even manage to land

[elder wren]

hey what do i use nukes for and when is there such a thing as too many nukes

[glacial steeple]

yea

[glacial steeple]

why not push the land border

also late war?

china looks to be having a lot of stuff

another issue with later wars is always predictability

the earlier your war is, the more confident you can be in what your enemy has available

[plucky otter]

Gdp

[neat widget]

don't declare war
china capitulates to japan
marco polo incident

real experience

[neat widget]

what year is it

[analog maple]

38

[neat widget]

Sort of late war

I was able to take Shanghai in a 1939 war

[analog maple]

does that mean im suppuse to attack him earlier or later?

[neat widget]

But that was at the limit of what could be done

Earlier

You're supposed to attack in 1937

Also which political path is this btw

[neat widget]

Multiplayer?

[pliant condor]

should have capitulated

[pliant condor]

you do the marco polo focus in late 36

so when it finishes you declare

in dec 36

[neat widget]

you get 3 collabs by then?

[pliant condor]

then you have a year to kill them

[pliant condor]

by oct 37

[neat widget]

Oh yeah

A year might be a bit long, even in the 1939 war scenario I had as communist Japan I had beaten China in like a year and some more

[pliant condor]

yeah, you mostly sit around and put china on harsh in the last few months

while waiting for collabs

[analog maple]

by 38??

[neat widget]

Yeah

[pliant condor]

before 38

if you don't capitulate them by 38 it would take much longer

as they annex the warlord

[neat widget]

Yeah getting to Chongqing is a pain

[analog maple]

okay so i attack him 1936? do i naval invade or nah? i cant get any good marines so early

[neat widget]

Yeah

[pliant condor]

marine is irrelevant

[neat widget]

The Yangtze should be the main front imo

[pliant condor]

just land with infantry brick on all the adjacent tiles and force attack

ok i wrote a large chunk of text somewhere

[neat widget]

But you can and should be able to advance from the land border too

[analog maple]

sorry wym "infantry brick"

[pliant condor]

roughly how you kill the new china
convert most of your divs to the small one(12 width + edit to add support artillery), keep 12 of the large hohei shidan(you can add a few marine and recon light tank but it doesn't matter much). in addition it helps to train 50 divisions of 2 width, converted to a copy of the 12 width template with guns disabled to hold the front
assuming that you don't do the mengjiang focus, take manchu divs and put them on the front, with the empty divs. extend this frontline whenever there's a region you don't want to push in(e.g. shanxi)
build 2 air base in hebei. make sure to fly air over northern china at war.
pick spy advisor with your first 200 pp(after tanaka as army offense advisor), 5 agency upgrades and do repeat collab mission on china
do the hebei garrison focus in time to declare on china
at war declaration push beijing with all your divisions, make sure to micro so when the warlord capitulates you encircle the chinese divs in the north, you can kill like 30 divs this way
you need to kill both of the northern warlords(consider naval invading shandong as well)
build a railway from tongzhou to kalgan once you take it
keep pushing north and focus on making encirclements, and start planning naval invasion to shandong with 2 width.(two orders)
when china annex the northern warlords, start pulling back divisions back to behind beijing(let them walk into peking but you can keep tianjin)
let china walk into peking, click total mobilization, then start pushing and naval invading, should be very easy from this point on if you have made encirclements before
make sure to not capture nanjing before starting the third collab mission, you only need until like wuhan to capitulate china at 3 collabs. make sure to not push too far and capitulate them before third collab
once you do the flip fascist focus, justify and declare on sinkiang before you capitulate CUF

[glacial steeple]

gross domestic product doctrine 💔

[analog maple]

so i invade shandong or near nejing?

[plucky otter]

I said it wrong

[pliant condor]

shandong

[plucky otter]

And I didnt notice 💔

[analog maple]

ok tysm

[pliant condor]

or like the goal in the first stage is just to capitulate the two warlords

so china annex them

then you pull back, to give all the land to china

so you can click total mob

[plucky otter]

ill leave as is, gdp is a great doctrine

[pliant condor]

then you can actually start pushing and invading

[neat widget]

That also works

[pliant condor]

if you keep the momentum china would not have many divs left

you can battleplan but just be mindful of where you go into

[neat widget]

You can probably naval invade both places tbh

[pliant condor]

like shanxi mountains? no

[glacial steeple]

good eco is the best method to waging wars indeed

[pliant condor]

make two frontlines, one that battleplan nonstop and the second one with empty divisions just to hold

[glacial steeple]

i battleplanned jon dons china in marcov mod because japan is so bloated

there

[elder wren]

how do i launch a nuke?

[glacial steeple]

button bottom right

only available after finishing the project

[elder wren]

the military raids thing?

[glacial steeple]

yes its in that area

[elder wren]

oh nuclear raids

its saying i need an intercontinetal bomber for it?

what does that mean

[glacial steeple]

any strat bomber wing in range

[neat widget]

yeah should be that

[elder wren]

oh i think i got it working

oh my justification ende

d

yay it worked

i can finally sleep

and then try to spend these tommorow

ty for the help

[golden coral]

guys help i wanna invade the ussr but i cant HELPP

[tropic seal]

How does the field marshal buffs work? E.g. i assign frontlines with generals, but i draw an empty field marshal order with no divs assigned would that still give buffs or nah?

[viral gyro]

hey can someone can tell my why my divisions can't push soviets that only use humans and 12 artilery?

this is my infantry template

and tank

i got air supperiority btw

with cas and bombers

[neon fulcrum]

hello guys i am new here and could you help me improve/change my space marines template? i have a problem with organization.If someome on a launched plan attacks 24/7 they can break me quite quickly.

[glacial steeple]

your units just suck

these are terrible space marines

and using small inf/light tanks is a waste of the potential of such units

[neon fulcrum]

Okay, I understand. So what can I change to make them work? I just started making such divisions and testing.

[glacial steeple]

well

infantry inherently lacks breakthrough which is your defense while attacking

tanks give this, but inherently lack hp to take few losses

you can combine the two and create pretty ehhh not the best but definitely good offensive divisions that are able to be deployed widely

id recommend watching this

https://youtu.be/1IIjk4bAh68

[neon fulcrum]

ok thank you i change and its better but Do you happen to have any of your own marine divisions that you could show me to give me a bit more guidance?

[tropic seal]

?? i did this focus and nothing happened?

[cold bloom]

No decisions show up?

Be aware that for optimization reasons, those decisions show only after a day's delay

[tropic seal]

none

[tropic seal]

yep

waited couple weeks in game atp

no decisions

[cold bloom]

the target country must have their capital state be your core, is that a separate focus perhaps?

[indigo sapphire]

should i do ww3 in hoi4

as ESTONIA?

[tropic seal]

ah maybe? man they didnt mention that in the focus desc

[quick trail]

my game crashes for no reason whenever volunteers would return from spain, how to fix this bug?

[warm sable]

Which doctrines are the best for defending?

[tropic seal]

desperate defense

but like

usually you want to be attacking

attacking doctrines are just better in general than defending doctrines

i only use desperate defense for countries with terrible manpower reserves

[glacial steeple]

theyre on map

afaik

[tropic seal]

oh

i didnt check that

why is it on the map but not in the political decisions tab

ill check it out ltaer i guess

[glacial steeple]

some decisions are like that

[tropic seal]

dang

[tropic seal]

nah still not on the map

[glacial steeple]

decisions tab then hover over owned/occupied non core south american states

[tropic seal]

d'you mean this?

[glacial steeple]

yep thats where it would show up

but you dont have anything annexed/occupied so you dont get it

[tropic seal]

oh

aight i see

i gotta occupy and annex them first??

[glacial steeple]

yes

[tropic seal]

whats even the point of having that focus then

[glacial steeple]

so you can core it?

[tropic seal]

oh

ahh i see

aight

i thought it would let me

like

[glacial steeple]

no

[tropic seal]

invite democratic countries

to join me

and non aligned

cuz i swear it said something about htat in the desc

[glacial steeple]

oh nvm

im dumb

when theyre in a faction with you

you can ask politely to annex them

i messed it up with other focuses

[tropic seal]

oh

[glacial steeple]

sorwy

[tropic seal]

allg

dang i shouldnt have joined the allies then lol

@glacial steeple how does a field marshal buff work

say i assign frontlines using generals

if idraw a field marshal frontline + offensive order with no divs assigned

would that still give the buffs

?

[light knoll]

it doesn't matter who you assign frontline with

just having them under a general/field marshal

will give the buff

[tropic seal]

oh

ok

[worn shard]

can someone help me with tank conversion

[shadow jewel]

question, is the RT56 mod from paradox plaza the same as the RT56 mod from steam workshop?

[glacial steeple]

@cold bloom would know better but i assume yes

[tropic seal]

how is it that the one game im playing as brazil and decide to focus on south america

is the game that the german ai locks the hell in and caps the ussr by 43

ion get it

[wild ember]

what does that have to do with south america?

[tropic seal]

in the past few games the german ai has never made it past minsk

[broken lichen]

whats the best combat guide post gotterdammerung ive got like 400 hours and still dont know shit about the army airforce templates etc

[tropic seal]

so i thought that i could just screw around and take it easy

[wild ember]

minsk?

[tropic seal]

then this game's german ai was on something

yes

[wild ember]

gahdamn

[tropic seal]

they never made it past that

yes

so i thought i was hella safe

but naw

they locked in

[cold bloom]

Should be

[tropic seal]

and then when i went to spain to try fix stuff the soviets capped which capped republican spain too which encircled 48 of my divs

[wild ember]

hitler finally listened to his generals

[tropic seal]

this is HELLA dumb by the way

[wild ember]

oh

[tropic seal]

republican spain was nowhere near capping

[wild ember]

alt f4 ig

[tropic seal]

we had pushed from spain into like half of vichy

and then it still capitulated when the soviets did

😭

[tropic seal]

yeah i sacked that run

[wild ember]

oh you were making good progress to ur so unlucky dude

[wild ember]

fellow helldiver?

[tropic seal]

yes

took a break from getting domed on cyberstan to get domed in hoi4

what a win

[wild ember]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-democracy-helldivers-2-helldivers-ii-democracy-helldivers-gif-10225928630350865009

[glacial steeple]

winning

[tropic seal]

truly..

[glacial steeple]

whats your fav hoi nation

or continent

[tropic seal]

probably sweden honestly

its really strong if you can form the nordic union

the soviets are my favourite major though

[glacial steeple]

sweden is ehh to me

def the easiest to kill all nordics

but doesnt have the raw power of finland buffs

[tropic seal]

oh yeah finlands nice too

finland gets great generals

[glacial steeple]

its not as poor as norway and not as eco buffed as denmark

[tropic seal]

swedens generals are alright

[glacial steeple]

sweden gets

the best tank spawn in design in the game

the captured tiger variant

you should check it out with the ff command

[tropic seal]

oh

[glacial steeple]

the L-62 is also fine

[tropic seal]

i never noticed that

when i started producing tanks on my sweden playthrough i was already like in berlin

i might be relying on infantry too much lol

[glacial steeple]

hold up ill load the video game and show you

[tropic seal]

aight thanks

[glacial steeple]

nah you should you have like bad eco bad gens

[tropic seal]

i found swedens eco to be aight

[glacial steeple]

yeah but

not really

[tropic seal]

to be fair i had puppeted finland and norway before i invaded germany

[glacial steeple]

you have long borders/coasts

you need a lot of inf out

[tropic seal]

ah yeah they naval invaded me in norway

[glacial steeple]

your eco to core pop ratio isnt great

until you do nordics

[tropic seal]

i just found out on this playthrough that brazil can core like all of south america

which is pretty insane

[glacial steeple]

argentina and chile too

argentina is fun

its like playing germany without the world war

[tropic seal]

i played argentina but brazil felt like it had a stronger eco

[glacial steeple]

you just roll through south america

brasil is stronger eventually

argentina can into europe by 39

[tropic seal]

does america declare on you if you go fascist argentina?

[glacial steeple]

nope

[tropic seal]

oh

allat monroe doctrine fearmongering in the focus tree for what 😭

[glacial steeple]

its only foreign nations

[tropic seal]

i didnt go fascist argentina cuz i thought the us would head down and clap me

[glacial steeple]

and communist nations

[tropic seal]

ah i see

[glacial steeple]

nah youll be fine

you can have spain and port annexed by 39 btw

with into europe i meant like

france and ger

its insane if you move fast

you core south america slowly tho

[tropic seal]

oph

the hell?

never tried that

[tropic seal]

ah

yeah

[glacial steeple]

both of them are very weak

you go

[tropic seal]

brazil cores south america like instantly

[glacial steeple]

uruguay, then chile and brasil

then portugal

spain

france

germany

[tropic seal]

oh

[glacial steeple]

gobble

[tropic seal]

never tried that

i might give it a shot

[glacial steeple]

you need to have air tho

[tropic seal]

ah

[glacial steeple]

for south america

[tropic seal]

yeah moving in south america is a pain

no supply and allat

[glacial steeple]

i recommend licensing the BF 110 or the american basic medium

then you make it into a

2x lmg with as many bomb locks as possible

and it has sufficient range

small frames just dont cut it

[brave void]

could someone teach me how to play hoi4

[tropic seal]

oh wait you can modify licensed equipment?

[tropic seal]

if you mean from scratch then probably watch a guide first

[glacial steeple]

sim

[brave void]

no i know the basics

[tropic seal]

some?

[glacial steeple]

no, all

[tropic seal]

what area are you struggling with

[tropic seal]

oh

dang

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but is till get pushed back by poland as germany

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i just never used the liense mechanic i guess

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i mean not tanks

but all air

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oh

thats probably why then

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im not sure what im doing wrong

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what inf templates are you usiing man

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default ones with 1 artillery and 1 support company

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whats the default german inf

is it 18w 3 by 3

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btw swedish tank spawn in, bottom of fascist tree

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i think so?

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oh hell thats pretty good

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radio 3 and maintanance for free

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that should still be able to battleplan poland to death

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and hc2 too

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yes

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you have to research nothing btw

not even the tank chassis

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yea but my attack and defense is still bad

idk why

maybe supplies?

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show ?