ask-for-help-here

[static turret]

italy

[gusty egret]

Canada is safe from attack in general, and you aren't overwhelmed by all the game's various subsystems.

[granite shell]

How long have you guys been playing?

[gusty egret]

So if you are just starting out and don't even know the game's basics yet, I say go for Canada.

[static turret]

it starts you at war so you have to learn it before the actual stuff starts and its early enough to where you can keep tryng over and over

[gusty egret]

Since launch.

[granite shell]

Probably what I’m gonna do

[granite shell]

…

[static turret]

canada and stuff are lowk boring tho

[granite shell]

Yea but this game seems a lot more complicated than supremacyWw3 so I kind of wanna learn the mechanics first

[static turret]

you got base game right?

[granite shell]

I have play that game for like three years

[granite shell]

Yea

Are there any real similarities between that game and this one?

[gusty egret]

Probably not that many.

[austere roost]

at least this is not hoi3 black ice

[reef terrace]

Guys, I'm trying a fascist Belgium run. I want to stay neutral until I absolutely have to and want Portugal to join my "pride if the golden lion faction" how can I get them to join

[pliant condor]

10% hp

which could make it the best first pick

[gusty egret]

Still costs 50 XP, and the bonus HP isn't as game-defining on its own as Quick Improv.

[neat widget]

Wouldn't best first pick for Belgium, with its small manpower pool, be desperate defense for the extra recruitable?

[tepid umbra]

Yes, but if you plan on mobile warfare you should do that first

[neat widget]

yeah fair

but don't plan on using mobile warfare in general of course

unless you like armored cars or something

[pliant condor]

well yeah

first 300 xp should undoubtedly go on doctrine

[neat widget]

Ah I see what you guys meant

[gusty egret]

Only pick mobile warfare if you're doing a command power-centric build. If you're in singleplayer and you're asking about what doctrines to pick, you should not do such a build.

If you are not, GBP and Superior Firepower are your best picks. GBP is better for offense and/or if you cannot get your Operations subdoctrine maxed out before you fight, SFP is better for defense if you can get at least your Operations subdoctrine maxed out (because Tactical Withdrawal is ridiculous).

[neat widget]

That 10% HP is definitely helpful not gonna lie

[gusty egret]

Mass Assault does kind of have another niche in their funny middle spirit pumping the heck out of resistance, but I don't know how effective that is for something like Belgium where you only have a few states anyway.

[neat widget]

Yeah probably not that effective in that case tbh

[gusty egret]

Important part is getting Operations as high up as you can.

Use the funky convert trick if you can.

[neat widget]

Meanwhile GBP be like: (GBP is already the most used here but still somewhat sad)

[gusty egret]

A bunch of those get unlocked with specific subdoctrine picks.

But Logistical Focus is already good enough compared to pretty much everything else you can unlock with subdoctrines.

[neat widget]

I know, this is for superior firepower, mobile warfare, and mass assault respectively

okay now looking at it mass assault is somewhat sad too

[tepid umbra]

I do :steamhappy:

[tepid umbra]

Mass assault gets living off the land tho

[gusty egret]

Just use light TDs and/or light SPGs, they're superior to armored cars in almost every way.

[tepid umbra]

Which iirc is good

[tepid umbra]

Not the way that matters

Speed

[neat widget]

yeah armored cars have speeed

[tepid umbra]

Speed 🤤

[dusty sandal]

22km/h speed

[tepid umbra]

How it feels to decimate the soviet line and rush through their country in less than a month

[tepid umbra]

Isn't faster possible?

[dusty sandal]

from cairo to addis adeba without any refueling

[dusty sandal]

pretty sure 22 is the max

[tepid umbra]

Idk

[hardy sequoia]

should all my tanks only have howitzers ?

[violet lintel]

wth is this port that the allies are using to come into turkey?

[tepid umbra]

Yes

Unless you playing mp

[tepid umbra]

Oh only howitzers for main gun

[dark thistle]

Why don't i have any fuel?

[light knoll]

there are few small islands that arenot owned by turkey that are connected to turkey

[tepid umbra]

no oil, boats prolly

[light knoll]

one owned by Greece, one by Italy

[tepid umbra]

you run out of fuel by using it ❤️‍🩹

[dark thistle]

well how do i get more fuel

[tepid umbra]

oil

use less fuel

synthetic refineries

[dark thistle]

i have 31 oil

even if i have max fuel i can only use my ships to protect the uk for like 40 days

[glacial steeple]

hi chatroom

[glacial steeple]

okay?

you dont use ships for asw

[dark thistle]

asw?

[glacial steeple]

anti sub warfare

you should not run the fleet constantly anyway

[dark thistle]

oh

what if germany navel invades me

[glacial steeple]

use naval bombers

[glacial steeple]

they shouldnt?

[dark thistle]

oh

[glacial steeple]

and thatd just mean you get free kills

they dont have like sufficient air

or the ability to protect from surface fleet convoy raiding

[dark thistle]

ok thanks

[gusty egret]

Even if you are using a navy for ASW, that's not how you do it.

What you'd do is make a few spotting ships that max out sub detection and only patrol those, then have your depth charge destroyers set up to strike force in those areas.

[tight vector]

good division (germany) (Road to 56)

[wintry rover]

How do I get supply lines and stuff to actually supply my troops. It seams like even if I have level 5 railroads and supply hubs in every providnince they still are suffering from attrition.

[neat widget]

(not really) good division (germany) (Road to 56) (okay division for germany actually)

what is this btw

[neat widget]

what does the supply map look like

[light knoll]

remove at

[wintry rover]

Ill need to boot up the game real quick but mainly just in general I cant get it

[neat widget]

at shouldn't be needed indeed

[wintry rover]

This is the map

[light knoll]

ok this is northern Canada lol

and you have way too many divisions

[wintry rover]

If I get rid of the divisions then my whole army dies tho

[light knoll]

you do not need 30 divisions on a single tile

[wintry rover]

Tbf my lines will not even out no matter what I do

[tight vector]

Commander company (adds organization)

[vital plinth]

Hi what dertermiens how long it takes to justify war goal ?

[wintry rover]

also how does one get air supply because I always have zero.

also are logistic companies good or are they too expensive

[zenith nest]

Is there a way to make devision templates that yo can pick from each match? or do i need to remake them every time

[neat widget]

also why is your soft attack so low btw

[glacial steeple]

gun 1

[tight vector]

Yes this is 1936 infantry

So very base stuff

*basic

[upbeat arrow]

suggestions? im thinking accept

[vital plinth]

Hey I asked this before a while back but why do I get no compliance on France I own as Germany ?

It always stops at 1% and then never goes further up only resistance

[edgy mesa]

should i go for small medium or heavy airframes?

[wintry rover]

small

[edgy mesa]

dang i just researched medium

[wintry rover]

if you have medium go with that

the more planes you can get out the better

[edgy mesa]

i got both

[wintry rover]

then do small

[edgy mesa]

also can you give me a good layout for cas and that

[honest ginkgo]

Guys how much background knowledge should be known to play hoi

[wintry rover]

I dont know youre economy or anything so that makes it kind of hard

[edgy mesa]

aight

[celest shuttle]

I have a question: why can’t I destroy buildings before enemy troops come to capture them

[austere roost]

you need to scorch earth

[wooden jewel]

what should i do

the soviets killed poland and romania but i refused to join their war bc italy and yugoslavia were soviet allies

and turkye

do i just hope japan can clutch or the us declares war on the comintern

us and canada just declared war on soviets

[pseudo ridge]

why is there never a simple guide on this game

[glacial steeple]

because you cant learn the game in 30 minutes

[pseudo ridge]

30 minutes or an hour it dont matter there's no way to learn this game

[glacial steeple]

no you can learn it

theres just a lot of misinformation making it harder

[pseudo ridge]

no you cant i have 32 hours in and i cant even get through the first year of a match

its impossible to learn this game

[wooden jewel]

you just have to learn as you go like i did

[glacial steeple]

ok so what are you asking to learn even

[pseudo ridge]

how to do literally anything

i've tried picking the most beginner friendly countries, and yet 10 minutes into the game idk what to do

[glacial steeple]

left click and hold to select a unit, right click to move it

right click a nation to open the diplomacy tab

[glacial steeple]

play something small?

it doesnt have to be beginner friendly per se

as long as it helps you have a good overview

idk australia, new zealand, whatever is the easiest for you to look through buttons

[pseudo ridge]

nothing is easy, i literally even tried italy, and big surprise i am sucking at that too, i cant even win the war against ethiopia

[fathom thistle]

Just move all your armies to ethiopia, make sure u create a frontline and an offensive line

Since I assume u dont want to micro

[pseudo ridge]

every country i pick i get so much thrown at me, i'm low on resources, dont have the right vehicles being produced, dont have divisions being trained, a ton of political decisions, national focuses,

[fathom thistle]

thas like every country, u hvae to deal with it. Just deal with the most pop up at top and you should be fine

[glacial steeple]

italy is hard

[pseudo ridge]

every country is hard to play

[glacial steeple]

ehh not really

some have less to manage, some more

more to defend or be involved eith too

your first priority should be getting used to research, production, construction screens

then combat

[surreal merlin]

i keep losing german civil war

[hushed mauve]

ty for advice, it worked, finally i can rest

[cold garnet]

spend 100pp on infantry high command

concentrate your non-militia units to cut off Bavaria and take Munich

or Berlin, whichever direction your preference is

but always concentrate your main army

[celest shuttle]

i try China and feel it so hard any idea to stop japan

[obsidian badger]

wtf is happening here

the naval invasion is the second from the right'

it is literally ongoing as in the arrow is moving

but the troops arent moving

i got everything

convoys

naval dominance

etc

oh

norway somehow

isnt at war

wtf

[indigo sapphire]

are MBTs/modern tanks good?

[austere roost]

No they've been meme tier since day one

[hexed parcel]

Yes

[austere roost]

You can get by with 1938 medium for the whole game in sp

[wintry rover]

how to conquer soviet union with 10 million mp as italy

I have 3 factories

what do i do

[obsidian badger]

move the pistons and conveyer belts to russia

and then crush the russians inside them

[calm forge]

Remove line art add tank assault company

Use armoured recon comp

[obsidian badger]

Is german ai incapable of achieving autarky

I legit invaded portugal and turkey

Maxed infrastructure and synthetics

But germany still cant get autarky

[mystic otter]

I think they need to own the land themselves

[obsidian badger]

i transferred it to them

But ig the rks are messing it up??

[mystic otter]

Then it's just ai shenanigans

[hexed parcel]

Yes acceot

[obsidian badger]

if i was fighting germany i would give them autarky

but

im alongside germany rn

so doing that feels like cheating

[hexed parcel]

No

[indigo sapphire]

are jet planes and aircraft good to research and use?

[tepid umbra]

Aircraft, for sure

Depends on who you're playing tho

Iirc, jets are good but you gotta research them yk

[indigo sapphire]

alr

i play as Estonia

[tepid umbra]

Def not then

They dont have the industry or researching power iirc

[indigo sapphire]

alr

dw i will invade and annex baltics finland and sweden

@tepid umbra

[tepid umbra]

Idk man

You can try it

[indigo sapphire]

ill be honest: i do use Console commands to Research all techs equipments and etc

[indigo sapphire]

@tepid umbra

[tepid umbra]

Ok uh idk man

You might be able to get some airforce up

If yo're lucky it'd be enough to beat some major's

[indigo sapphire]

alr

im estonian btw so thats why i play Estonia

[dense stone]

Could anyone please tell me how to get "Why die for danzig"?
I've tried making france fascist with agents, but could get for them maximum fascist support 50%, and coup always fails, I was thinking is there any other way?

[neat widget]

fails as in you go into civil war?

[dense stone]

I make them but it's always fascist 25 div against normal France ~80 div

and normal France keeps all air so I get cas-ed

[neat widget]

Huh

Both are abnormal tbh

BTW have you banned communism

[dense stone]

Forgot to mention I was Germany for this achievement

[glacial steeple]

hes not france

[glacial steeple]

its the one with 480 casualties right

[neat widget]

Ah I see

[dense stone]

Its the one getting danzig without war and making France fascist

[glacial steeple]

you... could... play... ahist....

tho they might go communist or monarchist or whatever

or like rush france war

[neat widget]

Honestly I think the strategy is to get naval supremacy in the north sea and then bumrush paris and other northern French victory points

[glacial steeple]

you can change government or puppet in peacedeal

[neat widget]

However, POland will probably kill more than 480

[thin zealot]

Justify on poland instantly, they only get guaranteed after fate if Czechoslovakia

[glacial steeple]

tbh with good prep thats not hard

[thin zealot]

Iirc it's getting Danzig without going to war with France

[dense stone]

Achievement requires having France fascist too

It's the biggest issue for me because for danzig I could just do "Slovakia for danzig"

[neat widget]

I imagine even if Poland has 1 division of infantry on every border tile you'd lose more than 480

And that's not accounting for what happens in France

[thin zealot]

Coup ✨

[glacial steeple]

idk i invaded siam earlier as australia and couldve done with like sub 500 casualties

its usually air losses thats a big boost to casualties for low casualty runs but you do need air to overrun and stuff

as germany it should be easy

[thin zealot]

Fairly certain the achievement is broken either way

Or at least was until recently

[glacial steeple]

its about the challenge really

[dense stone]

It always fails as I told since it's my fascist France with ~25 divisions against original france with ~80 divisions and all air

[neat widget]

Wonder how many red air tank divisions you can pump out before the French coup

[glacial steeple]

that seems rlly strong?

if you send vols

[neat widget]

And then send them out as volunteers to Fascist France

[glacial steeple]

ofc civil war side is weaker

[dense stone]

I will try to send them when I'll be able to

[light knoll]

could be an interesting achievement if you couldn't just cap the allies to get it

[gusty egret]

Planes are a big investment that either pays off massively or ruins you, with little in between.

Jets doubly so.

[gusty egret]

They mess them up, but also, refineries don't provide oil, they provide fuel, and Autarky Achieved needs oil.

[gusty egret]

If you pump Fascist support higher before you trigger a civil war, the fascists should end up with more of France's military.

From there, you also ideally want to help them with volunteers and air volunteers, too.

[fierce idol]

how long can I build up as germany after capitulating britain and france before the americans or soviets become a threat?

[gusty egret]

Restart, get more factories, rush higher-tech infantry equipment, use factories to spam out guns.

[gusty egret]

That depends on your skill level.

[tight flicker]

hello everyone, i just got HOI IV and all the dlcs, did a few playthroughs with italy and got horrifically decimated when ww2 came along. Any other beginner countries yall reccomend, i suppose italy is too advanced

[gusty egret]

But if you've already capitulated the UK, then if you're a good player, the US and Soviets should not become a threat for a very long time, if ever.

[fierce idol]

think i'm beginning to get the hang of the game? though this is single player with no dlcs aside from integrated

[gusty egret]

Germany has the highest-quality military factories in the game, and with them conquering the UK, they also end up with undoubtedly the most military factories in the game, too.

The dynamic is very weird for someone more used to more historical dynamics, but yeah, German production is exceptionally good in this game, so if you've already taken all of the UK's military factories, you should be basically unstoppable.

The only ticking clock element is Economy of Conquest, but if you can get enough oil to fulfill Autarky Achieved (every other resource is attainable with historical 1940 conquests and the resource rights deal with Sweden), that goes away, too.

[gusty egret]

I recommended Canada to a newbie yesterday, I still recommend it as a newbie nation.

[indigo sapphire]

how do i add more old and new div icons to my hoi4 mod

[gusty egret]

Canada is safe from conquest and doesn't have to deal with all of the game's systems at once if you play historical. You can basically take the game at your own pace.

[tight flicker]

oh alright then

do i develop civ factories first?

[fierce idol]

did a people's republic of china playthrough the other day, is it worth playing past 1947 for ww3 against the allies?

[gusty egret]

Generally speaking, you want to stop making civilian factories about 2-2.5 years before you expect to start fighting.

[tight flicker]

so i just checked it out and canada has a "skewer the eagle" option where you can conquer the US with mexico

would you reccomend or should i just go with the historical order

[gusty egret]

If you are still new, I'd recommend staying away from those specific achievements.

Just focus on learning the game while playing historical.

[tight flicker]

i had one long playthrough on italy but i got skewered during ww2

held on for a while but died

ill take the historical path

[gusty egret]

The game usually devolves into a slog that late into the game. Some people find it fun, but a lot don't, especially given how many waves of Allied armies you'd need to grind down to make meaningful progress.

[idle arch]

The uks probably the easiest country

I mean most beginner friendly

Teaches navy army and airforce

[gusty egret]

Y'all are waaay overestimating how skilled newbies are.

[tight flicker]

the uk mate ;-;

[gusty egret]

The UK is nice once you know the basics. But if you don't know the basics, there are all sorts of ways to mess up as the UK and get capitulated.

[tight flicker]

that i definetly will do

[fierce idol]

yeah I don't wanna manage the uk's navy lol

[tight flicker]

hell nah

i try to avoid navies as a whole

@gusty egret how many hours do you have on hoi iv?

[gusty egret]

About 2k, though I've spent a lot of time on it outside the game as well. Like a lot of the articles on the HoI4 wiki were updated by me post-1.15.

[tight flicker]

haha thats nice

i feel like im talking to a celebrity

[gusty egret]

Eh, there are definitely people way better than me.

I'm good at individual theory, but also get overwhelmed for larger countries. And I tend to stick to historical multiplayer, so there's a lot of singleplayer-specific knowledge that I don't know.

[idle arch]

Me too just put out ur navy on strike force on the channel and the North Sea the only thing you have to do is merge all the ships aside from the subs and put it in thier own surface fleet

[tight flicker]

oh alright

[tight flicker]

thats manageable but ill probably mess up

[idle arch]

Sp is just spamming inf

[tight flicker]

whats sp?

[gusty egret]

Singleplayer.

[tight flicker]

oh

yeah i grind sp

for now im not going into the mp lobbis

lobbies

[gusty egret]

That said, if you are a country like Canada, you're in safe enough of a position with a solid enough industrial base that you can kind of go in any direction.

[idle arch]

How is just pressing buttons

[gusty egret]

So e.g. if you want to have a try at the learning the game's air, Canada is solid for that. If you want to learn how to make and use tanks, Canada is solid for that. If you want to learn how to do basic navies even, Canada is solid for that.

[idle arch]

The time I played Canada limited industrial capacity

[tight flicker]

can i try my luck in south america?

[gusty egret]

South America has the late-stage DLC focus tree problem.

[tight flicker]

along with the fact of having to defend yourself in the european continent, i guess ill move on to the UK once im more confident with my skills

[gusty egret]

Focus trees that were designed earlier in the game's lifecycle are usually concise and straightforward.

[tight flicker]

ohhhhhh

nothing much to do in canada

[gusty egret]

Vs. focus trees designed later on have become more and more elaborate and harder to navigate if you don't know what you're doing.

[tight flicker]

oh understood

[idle arch]

The uk is better than germany

[gusty egret]

It's one of the unfortunate design directions the game has taken.

[tight flicker]

yeah definetly

[gusty egret]

That makes it harder and harder to approach for newer players.

[tight flicker]

;-;

[hexed verge]

guys how tf am i supposed to do a late game sea lion my naval invasions literally do not work

[gusty egret]

Older focus trees were, well, a lot more focused.

[gusty egret]

You don't have divisions assigned to them and you don't have Dominance in the English Channel.

[tight flicker]

i assume they were concise and easier to navigate

[hexed verge]

bro i know how they work

i do have dominance too

they have SO many divisions

on their ports

[gusty egret]

The arrows have "No divisions assigned" written on them.

[hexed verge]

my invasions do not work

[gusty egret]

Generally yes.

[hexed verge]

yeah cus i tried and they immediately got sent back

[gusty egret]

Then it's probably because whatever you're invading with isn't strong enough.

So they bounce off of the UK's coastal garrisons.

[hexed verge]

they have like 5 divisions on dover

entrenched

wtf am i even supposed to do

do i invest in ampihibious tanks

[gusty egret]

That is an option, yes.

[idle arch]

Show ur the template ur using to plan the invasion also put ur navy on naval invasion support when doing the naval invasion

[hexed verge]

or do i build strategic bombers and just bomb their railways to shit (i have way more fighters)

[gusty egret]

That is also an option. You'd want to bomb out their coastal forts anyway.

[hexed verge]

ok wait

i also could research marines idk

[gusty egret]

... you should probably do that.

[idle arch]

Restart

[gusty egret]

Regular units take a -50% penalty to all of their stats if you use them for naval invasions.

You want to use divisions that have at least a +50% amphibious attack bonus to cancel that penalty out.

[hexed verge]

ok wait im gonna send my templates

i just have a classic 7-2 infantry artillery i think

[gusty egret]

Well, it's not going to use marines, amtraks, or amphibious tanks, and you won't have marine doctrine, so it's probably very, very bad for naval invasion purposes.

[gusty egret]

Don't use line artillery.

[hexed verge]

i have an insane industry i can build tanks

[gusty egret]

Line artillery bad.

[gusty egret]

You said you don't have the techs.

[hexed verge]

i do i just have to research marines

[indigo sapphire]

hello yalls

[gusty egret]

You also need naval XP to do marine doctrine. And a special forces branch specialization, which you might already have used up.

[cinder spindle]

can i somehow send a playset link to my friend?

[hexed verge]

i have everything researched

[gusty egret]

Amphibious drive.

Amphibious tanks using the amphib tank chassis suck.

[indigo sapphire]

how do i add more old and new div icons to my hoi4 mod
or can i use other peoples div icon mods?

[gusty egret]

You want amphib drive to make medium or heavy amphib tanks.

[hexed verge]

will the amphibious tanks breakthrough

[tropic seal]

how

the ai uk coastal garrisons are terrible

[hexed verge]

late game

[tropic seal]

what year?

[hexed verge]

1946

or 47

[gusty egret]

They aren't using marines.

They're just naval invading with 7/2s.

[tropic seal]

ive never ever had to use marines to cap britain

[tropic seal]

oh maybe thats the problem lol

[tropic seal]

you playing as germany??

[hexed verge]

i mean i havent really played late game and normal troops on dover usually worked

[hexed verge]

ussr

[tropic seal]

just use paratroopers

[hexed verge]

as like other nations

[tropic seal]

drop them in around a port

rush it last stand

and rush infantry in to hold the lin

e

unless if you already have naval supremacy

even then i like paratroopers more

you have green air and cas up right

[hexed verge]

i do lol they just have ALOT of divisions on their ports

[indigo sapphire]

answer someone pls

[tropic seal]

have you tried invading from like

the top

scotland or whatever

from norway

if you control it

[hexed verge]

i guess i can but i think ill just research marines and use thjst

[tropic seal]

do you have dlcs

if you have gtd just hydrogen bomb their port deathstacks

how many divs do they have on the ports

[indigo sapphire]

answer this

[tropic seal]

@hexed verge how much air do you have up btw

when ur trying to invade

[gusty egret]

Generally speaking, it doesn't matter if they have a lot of divisions because reinforce rate will still screw them over.

You just need to make sure you're using a good division design to be able to reinforce meme them off.

[hexed verge]

nearly all

[hexed verge]

YEAH im building nukes i can just wait for them to finish

[hexed verge]

ALOT...

[tropic seal]

what's your cas / plane template

[hexed verge]

just bomb locks self sealing fuel tanks and extra range

[tropic seal]

ah

i dunno then lol yeah just wait for nukes and marines

i usualyl end my playthroughs late 45 anyway because microing all my armies starts to get annoying

[hollow linden]

Self sealing on cas does very little

Remove it and add more bomb locks if not maxed out

[pseudo ridge]

like that's gonna help in a game that doesnt tell you anything

[hollow linden]

It will though? Like, in very general terms, that's what you should do first

[analog maple]

anyone know how do i fix this?

[hollow linden]

Don't play Sweden

It's gg

Maybe get stab?

Don't research with MIO

[pseudo ridge]

no it wont, the moment you start a match its just "you're on your own, good luck A-Hole!"

[hollow linden]

Not really. Apart from some tooltips, hoi does tell you quite a lot. It's not like there isn't a tutorial or there aren't other resources u can use to learn. Just sitting there and malding won't get you anyhwere

[analog maple]

i got 60

[hollow linden]

Get more

[gusty egret]

PDS games are notoriously bad at teaching you how to play them.

It's just something we (people who play a lot of PDS games) end up begrudgingly dealing with.

[hollow linden]

I'd say ck3 has a good tutorial

[gusty egret]

Nope.

[hollow linden]

Hoi is notoriously unhelpful

[pseudo ridge]

teaching you? i've been trying this game for months, and it hasnt taught me anything

[gusty egret]

Exactly.

[sick heron]

my man the guns dlc isnt working in game, someone can help me?

[gusty egret]

It's a big reason why so many people are so reliant on the HoI4 wiki and on HoI4 content creators telling them how to play the game.

[hollow linden]

It's been integrated into the game

[gusty egret]

Even if those content creators themselves often make big mistakes, it's sort of a Land of the Blind situation.

[sick heron]

oh

ok

[pseudo ridge]

how tf does anyone play this game if there is no actual knowledge among content creators and we know wikis are always wrong

[gusty egret]

Well, people like me try to keep the wiki up to date.

I have been slacking with updating it for 1.17 though.

And some content creators do end up being more knowledgeable than others. Especially with enough of them playing over a long enough period of time, you will eventually get some workable ideas emerging.

[hollow linden]

Thank god for Delnar "Paragraph" Ersike 🙏

[hollow linden]

Trial and error. Theres a reason most people take hundreds, in some cases 1000+ hours to learn the game

[glacial steeple]

most content creators (other than hollowbeing for instance) generally know how to play the game reasonably well in their own ways from the information theyve gathered over time

[hollow linden]

Or generate click bait like Hygge or FBG

U can't win

[glacial steeple]

and like the thing is, theres a maximum stats you can have, you can be down 75%-90% of those stats and still win pretty handily vs the ai

[gusty egret]

The saying is, "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." The content creators aren't completely ignorant, they just might not be the best players at the game.

[glacial steeple]

and thats fine, thats normal for people

[glacial steeple]

hollow is ignorant* but most arent yeah

[gusty egret]

TBF, Hygge does occasionally find things that others don't, it's just usually quite rare.

Since they do at least play multiplayer, which means they do end up dealing with mechanics that the AI would never pressure them into using.

[glacial steeple]

like, idk, you dont have to be perfect or anything, youre just complaining because the in-game tutorials are bad and you dont seem to be trusting content creators who are generally fine

if your way of playing works for you, it works for you

[gusty egret]

Though TBF, the in-game tutorials are inexcusably bad.

We really shouldn't be tolerating the level of how bad PDS is at telling people how to play their games.

[glacial steeple]

oh yeah its awful, also no keybinds options 10 years in btw

[hollow linden]

So much so they need to employ content creators to do it for them

[gusty egret]

Especially given how it ends up coming around in the end, with the developers also ending up being highly uninformed about how their games work.

[hollow linden]

I asked hatless how much he got paid, if at all, for his video lol

[pseudo ridge]

i'm not trying to be perfect, i'm mad because no matter what i do this game is unplayable and impossible to learn

[hollow linden]

Almost nothing. Barely worth doing it for them

[gusty egret]

Start from a safer position like Canada in historical.

[glacial steeple]

i told him that like australia or something

[gusty egret]

Where you can play around with the various subsystems without risking defeat if/when you mess up.

[gusty egret]

Australia is kind of CBT with how World Tension works now.

[glacial steeple]

its fine, if hes learning how to build, move units around, research

anything is fine

[hoary glen]

It's not really worth to learn the deep ends of combat just for SP. Just grab some good templates and know that you actually need to build the equipment for it and you'll be good 90% of the time

[gusty egret]

At least Canada has stuff to do before World Tension unlocks their good focuses in 1939.

[pseudo ridge]

i've tried watching content creators but every time i do they always suggest either play italy, or play germany

[gusty egret]

Play Canada.

You're safe from capitulation, you can buy everything you need from the US without risking your convoys.

[glacial steeple]

italy and germany just arent good beginner nations for everyone

[gusty egret]

You have a solid enough industry to do stuff, and a focus tree that is actually human (because you can read what stuff does and it's obvious what focuses you want to do if you want to do things).

[glacial steeple]

since you have to do air, get enough out by war and have to carry your faction a lot

that can be fun, that can be good for a new player

but its not that easy

i learned all the keys and buttons playing like rwanda repeatedly

[hoary glen]

You don't have to do AC in SP 😆

Or you mean like on Majors?

[glacial steeple]

its just having to/feeling like you have to do all branches of the army can be very overwhelming

espevially if youre on the aggressor side and expected to win

[hoary glen]

I mean tbh I think I learned the most from playing Germany, failing miserable, understanding why I failed and then start again

[glacial steeple]

like he said he lost to ethiopia as italy

thsts fine

he needs to learn stuff like frontlines, how to open maps

production, construction

youre just not at the level needed for italy/ger yet is how i see it

this community is full of autistic people and anyone that is, should know learning may take longer as well

[pseudo ridge]

i didnt lose, its just taking a while because somehow i'm losing on sides of the front and the winning again, and then losing so its just a stand still and its making me lose my mind, and also yes i do have autism

[gusty egret]

Play Canada, focus on the basics, and use Canada's solid foundation to explore different parts of the game in different runs.

[pseudo ridge]

sounds easier than my first mistake when i bought this game almost 2 years ago

[gusty egret]

One run, you might want to build nothing but aircraft to figure out how air stuff works. Another, you might want to build tanks and equipment for tanks to see how exactly that stuff works. A third, you might want to do a purely special forces army to see how that works. Etc. etc.

[pseudo ridge]

i tried playing the united states

[gusty egret]

There's even some styles of play that you might be up your alley despite primarily only really being useful in multiplayer, like Conductor (does nothing but build and control railway guns). You can still use Canada to try them out in singleplayer.

[glacial steeple]

no dw thats fine, just learning disabilities are more common too was more a point im trying to make (not trying to be rude)

its just something to be mindful of

[pseudo ridge]

no i know you werent being rude about it man, just i am very easy to get frustrated when i dont understand things or no one explains things to me

[glacial steeple]

i mean i have learning disabilities i learn pretty slowly, personally it feels really rewarding when stuff clicks in my brain because of that

[hollow linden]

I feel called out 😭

[fierce idol]

as germany, how would I deal with japan attacking my puppets if I haven't killed russia?

[glacial steeple]

just play any nation that isnt necessarily into the conflict

idc if its like argentina or peru or mexico or whatever

[gusty egret]

Canada.

[glacial steeple]

get familiar with the buttons and try combat somewhere thats controlled

[gusty egret]

Definitely something in the Americas, but Canada has content for it and also doesn't have risky civil war stuff like Mexico.

[glacial steeple]

for mexico itd be fighting the central american nations

yeah mexico is scary

[gusty egret]

Nor is its focus tree sprawling like all of the ToA nations'.

[glacial steeple]

i assume he doesnt have dlcs

[pseudo ridge]

i made so many mistakes when trying to play this game from trying to play the united states, to trying to play italy and germany, hell i even tried to play kaiserreich

[gusty egret]

Canada is like the perfect storm.

[glacial steeple]

youre trying a lot of new things quickly

[gusty egret]

It's a bit like Portugal in EU4.

[fierce idol]

I liked soviet china, I could just eat the other chinese warlords, hold out against japan long enough for them to collapse, eat the rest of china and chill

[glacial steeple]

hoi4 is a lot of repeatedly playing 1 nation/thing imo

or you just wont have a good grasp of it

[gusty egret]

Where you're close enough to the action to take part, but you're kept safe and secure from complete destruction.

And also aren't big enough that your missplays might swing the game against you.

[pseudo ridge]

the alt history paths are even more confusing, since again i thought alt history was only mods like kaiserreich

[gusty egret]

Australia would be a close second if their focus tree didn't make them completely anemic for the first 3 years of the game.

Only reason that isn't a problem for multiplayer people is because the multiplayer meta is to just ignore World Tension, so Australia unlocks their tree fairly early.

But in singleplayer, you don't hit that 25% tension mark until mid-1939. So until then, you're stuck on 2 research slots and big industry maluses as Australia.

[glacial steeple]

i like new zealand in that regard it isnt really locked behind stuff

and has a better strenght cap than australia

[gusty egret]

I'm worried their industrial base is too small compared to Canada or Australia.

[glacial steeple]

it kinda suck siwht NCNS doctriens though

[gusty egret]

So while you might be safe, you can't really do much with them.

Besides memes with Bob Semples, of course.

[glacial steeple]

you get like all the pacific islands for free

for resources

its pretty easy to learn

[gusty egret]

Canada still ends up with more resources.

And has a safer position to trade with the US.

[glacial steeple]

yeah but it doesnt core taiwan

[gusty egret]

I'm assuming historical focuses.

[pseudo ridge]

delnar, any suggested paths as canada?

[glacial steeple]

yeah new zealand can on hist

[gusty egret]

Just play historical.

[glacial steeple]

but whatever

[gusty egret]

Historical on Canada is fine.

[glacial steeple]

imo just click any nation, preferably small ish

and learn it

[gusty egret]

There's even a few very strong strategies for historical Canada. See if you can find one of them, it's definitely used in multiplayer all the time.

[peak vector]

Hello! Someone can help me? I enabled these two mod with my friend, but when we try to host game, the game says thos host has another version, someone knows how to fix it?

[glacial steeple]

make sure you have the same installed versions of the mods

[gusty egret]

Are you both playing with Steam versions of the game?

[peak vector]

we have, yes

[gusty egret]

If not, you need to enable cross-store multiplayer in your launcher.

[peak vector]

Where is this option?

[gusty egret]

Uh... somewhere?

In the launcher's options.

I can't remember. But it's there.

[edgy mesa]

i dont know alotabout naval what should i spam? subs or?

[gusty egret]

Anything is fine against the AI.

In multiplayer, the current meta seems to be a rock-paper-scissors setup between torpedo DDs, light attack DDs, and CLs.

[quick night]

is this a good template?

[gusty egret]

I say "seems to be" because it's still relatively unexplored compared to the land meta.

[gusty egret]

It's a bit expensive.

[peak vector]

I can't find it

[analog maple]

any good marine tempalte to invade china? i keep getting failing the naval invasion

[glacial steeple]

navy being rock paper scissors is quite silly

[gusty egret]

Apparently, it's not a thing in HoI4?

[peak vector]

It seems to be

[jovial reef]

I want to play Endsieg, but I can't find the right mod. I have found one, but the last update is from 2023, and the version is 1.12.12, while the betas are 1.12.14. What should I do?

[dusky fern]

How to fix this

[jovial reef]

There may be a more recent version?

[edgy mesa]

also in here whats the cap ship?

[hollow linden]

Train more divisions/have more battalions

Special forces have a cap

[dusky fern]

So uh idk why train more divisions

I want that division

[gusty egret]

All carriers and heavy ships are classified as capital ships. Heavy cruisers that use the cruiser hulls are also capital ships.

[gusty egret]

Game mechanics.

Only a certain percent of your army is allowed to be special forces.

[dusky fern]

And train which units

[gusty egret]

Whatever's the cheapest.

[dusky fern]

Ok thanks

[gusty egret]

You can even exploit it by training tiny, 2-width infantry divisions and then converting them to 40-widths in the field with equipment turned off.

The game is very dumb about what it considers part of your army for the special forces cap mechanic.

[pseudo ridge]

how do i become independant as canada

nvm i am for some reason trying to rush the become allies with the united states focus

[gusty egret]

That's not historical.

In the historical tree, you start as a Dominion, which is the highest level of autonomy.

Going independent isn't strictly necessary because being a Dominion doesn't really penalize you in any way aside from being forced into the UK's wars, but if you want to do it, you can do it by gaining enough Autonomy.

Some stuff gives you passive autonomy gain (there's a focus about Canadian citizenship that gives you ticking daily autonomy). Otherwise, you can get autonomy by sending lend-lease to the UK, having the UK buy your resources, and/or meaningfully participating in wars involving the UK.

There's also a continuous focus you can do that gives you daily autonomy, but I wouldn't do it, it's not really necessary.

[pseudo ridge]

i looked at 3 paths before starting and saw the join north american one was democratic and assumed that's the historical path

[gusty egret]

The historical path is to go with the UK instead of rushing independence.

Historically, Canada got its independence a bit after WW2, though the process itself was complicated and Canada was sort of already independent in most ways by the time WW2 started (as a result of its Dominion status).

[pseudo ridge]

oh picking patriation was the wrong one ok my bad

[dusky fern]

Why am i not able to trade

[cold garnet]

it was for the most part independent already, though its diplomacy on the world stage was dictated by London

so it makes sense that it can't decline call to war

[dusky fern]

I cant even make support equipment

someone help

[cold garnet]

who are you

which country

Portugal?

[dusky fern]

Lithuania

[cold garnet]

do you have the tech?

I suppose you are just too poor to trade

that's fine

a bit resoure deficit is nothing

[dusky fern]

ik but i need support equipment

i cannot produce any

@cold garnet what do i do i need support equipment

[edgy mesa]

what way in the focus tree of sweden to stay kinda ish neutral and bomb denmark aswell as getting a tiger from germany

[gusty egret]

If you have historical focuses on, bombing Denmark usually forces you into a war with the Allies if you don't do it early enough.

So the only way to attack Denmark and still stay a neutral spectator in WW2 is to do it early enough that Denmark doesn't join the Allies when you attack them.

[gusty egret]

You need the technology for it, or a license to produce it from someone who has the technology (the AI is very stingy with licenses though).

[dusky fern]

Ussr invading me

Its over

[wise heron]

genuienly whats the purpose of capitualting countris in factions, like they still dont go away

[lapis pier]

@ocean pasture
This was your problem
You had 25k support equipment you made but did not use.

That is enough for 2.5k planes or like 10 fancy tank divisions (or half and half). You totally would have been able to push the shit out of me whenever my army was distracted by naval invasions if you did this.

USA had the same thing going on, but with trucks and arty. Yall let me outproduce you in the air and tank war because you where producing stuff that you didn't use.

@hasty vine

[wise heron]

danggggg

[scenic nacelle]

💀

[edgy mesa]

is this a good cas?

[lapis pier]

and @hasty vine you had enough guns and planes for D-day and sicily if you had just deployed them all. Look at your stockpile, thats 3k planes and 100 infantry units. You could have been CASSING normandy so hard, and stopping me from CASSING. thats why I pushed you into the sea so easy with just inf.

@edgy mesa no.

Your mission effeciency gets too low if you don't have any range upgrades (find your mission efficency on the air gui, it is the most important factor in the air war after templates.)

the twin engines have horrible benefit-to-cost ratio

And the lvl1 antitank cannons have horrible attack-to-weight. use small bomb locks and small bomb bays instead.

You can use the lvl2 antitank cannons in some cases when you are trying to make a small number of uber-high quality cas (useful on small fronts with a few fights, not massive offensives). But its not meta.

[edgy mesa]

aight

[gusty egret]

When you capitulate a country, you gain half of their equipment. If you have a collaboration government set up, all of their cores that you occupy will gain compliance to match your collaboration government level.

[gusty egret]

If you want a sort of general-purpose metric to make judgements yourself, you can adapt the heuristic used by meta multiplayer people for fighter designs and adapt it to CAS.

If the CAS is meant to fly in green air, the metric you're looking for is ground attack divided by production cost squared. If the CAS is meant to fly in yellow/contested air, multiply that by the CAS's air defense. Designs that have a higher number for that are usually better than designs that have a lower number.

[onyx trout]

My parents got me the 20€ gifr card. Trial of allegiance or craveyard of empires

[gusty egret]

You'll also want decent range, of course, but the ranges you need depend on where you're fighting. Europe's states and air zones are a lot more dense than East Asia's, for example, so craft operating in East Asia often need more range than those operating in Europe. But something with at least around 1000 kms of range is a good minimum.

[gusty egret]

Any other options?

[fierce idol]

wait for the sales

like with every paradox game

[onyx trout]

Still, which one should i get?

[thick storm]

Alright! So I actually tried this out, and it worked very well! I was playing on an older version by accident, so I couldn't get desparate defence, but the 35 width divisions + modernised guns really worked. The only problem was that the soviets cut off my trade AND I wasn't sure whether to do the industry or political focuses first.

[onyx trout]

And when are the sales? I might not have the patience, since the money just burns in my wallet

[fierce idol]

https://steamdb.info/app/394360/
price history

they do like 8 sales a year, literally just wait a bit lol

[fierce idol]

my best guess is spring sale next month?

[gusty egret]

I asked "any other options" because both DLCs are considered quite bad.

[onyx trout]

Why? Arent they just "focus tree packs".

[gusty egret]

ToA is an insane power spike for South American countries and has a bunch of extremely silly alt-history paths.

GoE also has a bunch of extremely silly alt-history paths, and while it does power spike Raj a bit, a lot of its content was extremely buggy on release and is still not very functional to this day.

Like, there's a reason why about a third of the prospective 1.17.4 changes affect Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan. GoE was just that bad.

[edgy mesa]

wa all for 3 months on steam its 14 euro

[languid trout]

everything except goe and toa

[onyx trout]

Toa seems fun tho.

[languid trout]

goe is mid but also buggy, especially in india

[languid trout]

toa is south america

[onyx trout]

I know

[languid trout]

u will almost never play them

also it makes it so chile can now become a major (your worst nightmare)

[onyx trout]

I just want to form those like empires or stuff like that can't remember what it was called in game

[languid trout]

if u want u could buy toa

i just dont recommend it

imo

[jolly escarp]

how do I invade the UK as italy what's the best way

[onyx trout]

naval invasion through the english canal to dover

usually works for me since ai is stupid

[lofty tusk]

Hello, im playing italy rn and i have 400k troopers and the strengthen the army goal ends in 70 days and the requirement is 700k deployed on field, how can i generate 300k troops quickly?

[edgy mesa]

people alwats say that but i usually get bodied by ai

[lofty tusk]

Or am i cooked

Failing the goal gives me some army nerfs i wouldnt like to have

[daring gorge]

how to annex a puppet fastr

[onyx trout]

build in them

infra or civs doesnt matter

[daring gorge]

mills too?

[onyx trout]

i think they work too

land forts too work

[wise storm]

help

[manic radish]

I heard something like making your army guy into field marshal for extra 1 trait or something

what does that mean

[lofty tusk]

pls help me

https://tenor.com/view/tobey-maguire-sad-wah-wahh-cry-gif-15729067800335956216

[gusty egret]

Duplicate template, fill out the template with infantry, convert your deployed divs to the new template.

If you don't get the manpower reinforced in time (manpower reinforces in batches of 2.5k every 2-ish weeks), then reload an earlier save and do it then instead.

[sleek remnant]

How can paradrop UK? I think I am doing something wrong because even with air superiority and cas they just can’t do anything

[wintry rover]

does anyone have any tips for supply maps like I never have supplies and just get crushed

[gusty egret]

Do you have enough transport planes?

[gusty egret]

Remember to motorize supply, remember to upgrade railways ahead of time if you can, make sure you're using logistics companies, make sure you have high enough level naval bases if you're shipping supply overseas.

[sleek remnant]

Yes
They land but die very quickly
20 width with support companies
Even if I surround the port and attack from multiple sides + paratroop on the port, they can’t take it

[gusty egret]

What level guns are you using? Paratrooper divs' stats rely a lot on the infantry equipment they have inside.

It's one of many, many reasons why so many people recommend rushing as high level guns as you can as quickly as you can.

[sleek remnant]

Well I am not exactly sure but since I give them the elite tag they probably use 39 guns

Afaik elite tag makes them get the newest equipment

[gusty egret]

Gun 2? What year are you in-game?

You can select divisions in the field to inspect them more thoroughly, BTW.

[sleek remnant]

Usually 40 or 41 when I try to drop

[gusty egret]

And it'll show what exact equipment they are using.

[gusty egret]

OK, you should want to have gun 3 by then probably.

[sleek remnant]

I know but didn’t bother before because I assumed they use the newest stuff

[sleek remnant]

Even in 40?

Btw it is normal that they drop with low org right?

[gusty egret]

Late 1940 is when a lot of countries would unlock gun 3.

[gusty egret]

It usually means they've been intercepted.

[sleek remnant]

Oh really? I thought it was the default 😭
Because they have always landed like that

Isn’t air superiority enough 🤔

[gusty egret]

You can always use Force Attack and Last Stand with them, too.

[gusty egret]

No, if the enemy has fighters there, they have a chance of intercepting the paradrops.

[jolly escarp]

chat what if I annex ireland and then try to conquer britain after

(playing as italy)

[buoyant cargo]

hi, anyone knows good mode for ottoman flag historical?

[onyx trout]

@gusty egret bought toa, returned it after 21 minutes. I thought they had like complex focus trees (Other then industry and stuff, more like formables)

[stuck garnet]

how get isoo abe

[lofty tusk]

is it too bad if i fail this?

[gusty egret]

Not great, but not fatal.

[lofty tusk]

i have no army exp rn to edit the template

[stuck garnet]

help

[light knoll]

make 36w paratroopers, drop on a port and the tile next to it, when you drop, press h. that makes them right a defensive battle instead of offensive battle

[sleek remnant]

I tried the “h” trick but they got deleted instantly
Like actual deletion (I think, or extremely fast) idk if they patched it or not

[stuck garnet]

what do

[upbeat arrow]

good or bad?

[stuck garnet]

is it worth it to do this if i plan on going communist

[pseudo ridge]

i think i'm doing ok? i've just been focusing on producing military and handeling political power, since resource trading kinda flopped and now i cant build factories anymore

[light knoll]

its fine, tho ideally you'd make this 36w, and spgs are better than tanks

[pseudo ridge]

i dont think i'm doing this right as canada, but idc

i'm doing fine, no one is attacking me, and everything has been simple

[sacred ginkgo]

For the new dlc, if i already selected subdoctrines (for my army group), then old focus trees that give me -50% doctrine cost are kinda useless now right?

And is there anything to do with green points past selecting the new subdoctrines?

[glacial steeple]

its probably consumjer goods

it shows in your construction tab

[reef terrace]

can never get the limited war to work properly when playing as belgium invading france, im not in a faction but i capture paris quickly and nothing happens

[runic sky]

Hello Guys I Just got hoi4 Can Someone Help me how to play This game ?

[pseudo ridge]

and now germans have war goal against me...shit

[hallow oxide]

how do I unlock I got 5/5 infastructure but theres no option to buy the locked slots w pp

[glacial steeple]

its only once ever per state

[pseudo ridge]

and we are losing the war as poland capitulated

[glacial steeple]

thats normal

[hallow oxide]

wdym

[oak jasper]

Which DLC(s) add underway replenishment and/or extra fuel tanks in the ship designer? I'm getting a bit frustrated at how big CV/BB fleets are limited in range by their destroyers.

[fluid robin]

Götterdämmerung

[oak jasper]

TYVM.

[fluid robin]

Man the guns lets you design ships

[oak jasper]

I have that one fortunately. I'm unsure exactly how, because I bought HOI 4 long before I started playing it.

[fluid robin]

Götterdämmerung added speical projects which underwater replenishment is in

Man the Guns has been included into the game for free though im pretty sure

So you no longer need to purchase it

[misty wagon]

guys

how am i doing

i kinda regret killing poland

[oak jasper]

Bourbon France is a nice touch.

[misty wagon]

yyes

is it cheating if im just using nocb

[wet crater]

How in the world do you naval invade the USA as Japan

I have my starting fleet, my first instinct is to crush their naval power piecemeal

Then invade hawaii, and then go to california

And push out, provided I can land

[dusty sandal]

you ... just said what you need to do ?

[wet crater]

I have reached the point where I am decent early game but then cannot seem to execute late game

[wet crater]

I must be getting better then if that plan makes any amount of sense

Part of the issue is the US navy is kinda

Huge

I conquered the phillipines with little issue

But got some small islands naval invaded

[misty wagon]

francissau how am i doing this time

[wet crater]

That and I consistently have issues with late game naval invasions

This time I will try with full marines

[misty wagon]

thats why u gotta just ally someone as a border with thjem and use that

[haughty hazel]

@coarse finch

?

@solar robin @spark swallow

[dusty sandal]

1962

[wet crater]

How the devil am I meant to do that for britain

Where the majority of issues emerge

And same deal, with mexico

[dusty sandal]

what are those marines made of

[misty wagon]

are u britain

[misty wagon]

😭

could i ask u smth

[wet crater]

No, I am japan

[misty wagon]

is it cheating if im using nocb

[wet crater]

If I was britain you just invade via canada

[misty wagon]

then ally someone in south and go up

[wet crater]

Havent made them yet, but they would be well, all marines, support artillery, support aa, potentially recon and radios

Up to like 32 or 36 width

[dusty sandal]

bruh

no flame tanks, no pioneers, useless radio and no hospital

[misty wagon]

????

[wet crater]

Didnt need any of that to cap china by june 37 with less than 20k losses, though china is stupidly weak, and the USA, isnt that pathetic

[dusty sandal]

china sucks

[wet crater]

Yeah no china, sucks

Big time

[dusty sandal]

amphibious landings are diffucilt, especially if enemy fills out combat width

[wet crater]

Thats the funny part

[dusty sandal]

china doesn't even fill combat width, uses guns 0, has no anti air or air support

• maluses

[wet crater]

Full infantry blocks like this consistently land

[misty wagon]

could u help me, how do i fix my manpower?

[wet crater]

They just get org wiped then pushed into the sea

[misty wagon]

its on 3rd to last and i am afraid i raise it i will get too nerfed

[pseudo lintel]

how to win civil war in usa?

[dusty sandal]

hover over the manpower count, does it say something about mobilizing (red or green number)

[wet crater]

This has happened

Too many damn times with britain

[dusty sandal]

force attack then

[wet crater]

They pull like 100 divs from nothing

After I land

Then push me off

[wet crater]

And I cant move them, because they are constantly attacked

Again, they actually land

[dusty sandal]

raise conscription

and deal with that garrison

[misty wagon]

is it maybe my garrisons

[dusty sandal]

you're dying to it

[misty wagon]

how do i change it?

[dusty sandal]

use a correct template and swap garrison law

[misty wagon]

u can change garrison templates?"

[dusty sandal]

yes

read the tooltip

[misty wagon]

is it like u change normal templates

ohh u pick one

[dusty sandal]

create a template
open garrison menu
change the selected div

[misty wagon]

so i just make a really cheap one or is there a good one that everyone uses?

[dusty sandal]

do you have military police support ?

[misty wagon]

i researched all of military police

[wet crater]

The part i dont get is the post landing

Since again the constantly being attacked sucks

[dusty sandal]

then 50w cavalry with military police

[wet crater]

Like if I need to sit around and get nukes I will but thats gonna take so long

[dusty sandal]

and swap that law to local police

[misty wagon]

what is 50w?

[dusty sandal]

combat width

[wet crater]

Other problem, didnt exactly research this

[dusty sandal]

full cav everywhere

[dusty sandal]

well then

[wet crater]

I had to research industry to get japan going

And planes

And also infantry related things

[dusty sandal]

you can spare 100 days after china cap to get field hospital
everything else is just special project or doctrine

[wet crater]

Yeah what I did is whack down for electronics, both starting industry techs

Then needed to keep moving for industry

[misty wagon]

and 1 mp?

[dusty sandal]

yes

[misty wagon]

good?

do i still need to change cons law

[wet crater]

Japan has such a shortage of equipment and a long front to hold

[dusty sandal]

yes

[dusty sandal]

yes

[dusty sandal]

no it doesn't

9inf, support arty is cheap af

add support AA fo war against allies

[misty wagon]

woah 1.8m manpower right away

sick

thanks

[misty wagon]

could i get ur opinion, is it cheating if im using nocb command

is this outdated or keep

[wet crater]

You start down like 20 guns, plus you need to quickly stimulate to get spamming planes, planes realistically are the main japanese weak point, and well, resources

Lack of resources sucks

Oh and low fuel, also just brilliant

[dusty sandal]

you don't need to spam planes, you build good ones

[wet crater]

Exactly

[dusty sandal]

and those come late, like 1939ish late

that's plenty of times for guns and some arty and aa

with like 15mils total

[wet crater]

Still the damn lack of resources is perpetually annoying

Since it sucks the production or civs

[misty wagon]

finaly i can use these bad boys

[wet crater]

I have five research slots now and time to burn while I break the US navy

Since the ai splits their larger fleet I just need to hit the little stacks with my merged one

After pulling the subs out

Yes I get you arent meant to deathstack fleets anymore with the new taskforce things, but if I lose important battlecruisers I cant make those back

[dusty sandal]

once you cap china it's alright

[dusty sandal]

you are still meant to deathstack navies. Naval system is and has alwys been a doomstack system

also, battlecruisers suck

just build light cruisers with light atk, armor and at least 6 piercing

[wet crater]

It was the first kind of capital ship name I could come up with quickly

Not trying to say battlecruisers are or arent great

They are just ships that are expensive to output

[dusty sandal]

just don't output them

no big deal losing them

[misty wagon]

there isnt anything more annoying that fightng in china

its like ur fighiting in a deser ZERO supply

[wet crater]

Honestly fighting chinas not too bad

Since china sucks so bad they leave holes in the line after a while

[dusty sandal]

2 collabs and battleplan, really easy

[misty wagon]

do ballistic missles attack divisions?

[misty wagon]

how to get thermo nuclear missle

[dusty sandal]

special project

[dusty sandal]

no

[misty wagon]

DLC?

[misty wagon]

oh

so it just ruins the land im bouta get

[dusty sandal]

yes

[dusty sandal]

yes

it's useless but (maybe?) funny

[misty wagon]

they sound cool

but useless

[misty wagon]

btw is it a good idea im making marines and sending to frontlines

[dusty sandal]

depends

what are they made of

if they're good, there's no reason not to if you're not naval invading

[misty wagon]

wdym

bones and flesh?

[dusty sandal]

template

if that's the base 6w marine it's worthless

[misty wagon]

i use this

are they worth to use

[dusty sandal]

that's vad

like just use inf at this point

[pseudo ridge]

the german-american war is over does that mean i win?

[misty wagon]

ALR

[pseudo ridge]

idk if i won since germany and italy are gone

[light knoll]

when you make marines, you usually wanna make it half marines half mountaineers

and 36w width

the naval attack is capped anyways

so more marines is not doing anything

also get support companies

[twilit swan]

im playing with my friends with the same mod and playset one of my friends loaded in to the server but in my case it claims that im on a dif game version and we all checked game version im the only one with a dif version and we all have the same mod order too

[misty wagon]

ty

[foggy junco]

so i wanna know who tf says russia is easy to win against as germany in Single play.er cause i have 3 whole armies going against them and im getting COOKED

[silk abyss]

Is there a way to hold line against bot russia with spam attack. but i got a very low industry for example estonia

[silk abyss]

Control the supplies. You got all red supplies which are bad

[foggy junco]

thats a month or so in. and i had 0 progress. so i dont think thats why

[silk abyss]

Supply your Troops with truck. It gonna cost a lots of trucks but u got no more issue of supply

did u attacl soviet union in 1943?

[foggy junco]

mid 1943

[silk abyss]

Then it is very difficult. because soviet union lose a lot of debuff around at 1942. Attack soviet union 1940 are more easily

[pseudo ridge]

@gusty egret i finished the game as canada...at least i think i did, the axis capitulated

[solar robin]

Can I help you?

[steady vapor]

Folks, what exactly is the purpose of puppets rather than directly annexing someone?

[silk abyss]

u can get some manpower from puppets. and u dont have to garrison your troops with guns

But less military and civilian industry

[uncut narwhal]

larp

[light knoll]

first of all, why do you not have generals

[foggy junco]

wdym

[light knoll]

on the picture you sent, you don't have a field marshal, and the general as 72 units under him as he's basically useless

[foggy junco]

those arent part of thisi

[steady vapor]

?

[light knoll]

then just 72 divisions for the soviets is barley anything lol

i guess they're probably not good template as well

[foggy junco]

.... again. thats not part of this

[light knoll]

im seeing your other armies

the other army has 72 units in it

[uncut narwhal]

im saying that puppets dont actual serve a real purpose and are just their for roleplay reasons

[light knoll]

also when you draw frontline, hold shift

[steady vapor]

The guy above me literally provided several reasons, additionally the wiki does as well after I looked it up.

[uncut narwhal]

High compliance is a lot better than any puppet, always annex

[uncut narwhal]

it literally is better

you get more industry

which is more important than some garrison

[idle arch]

Are u talking about puppet generally or czech

[uncut narwhal]

generally

[idle arch]

Do you not know what resistance it or garrisons using manpower or puppets doing focuses to get industry which you can later annex through lend leasing?

[uncut narwhal]

how many hours do you have if i may ask?

[idle arch]

No you many not ask because we aren't not talking about hours

[uncut narwhal]

we are talking about your missing game knowledge thinking that garrison manpower is more important than industry and recruitable pop

[idle arch]

Can u not read about what I said last

[uncut narwhal]

those 8 factories?

you rather want high compliance via a collab government

[idle arch]

x +8 > x

[uncut narwhal]

you have to wait 2 years for those 8 factories

[idle arch]

<@&916727971820240976> am I wrong or what?

[idle arch]

No you do not also ur taking about gaining manpower on the annexed stuff which is useless cos it isn't even your cores

[neat widget]

Well

[uncut narwhal]

why would non-core manpower be unimportant?

[neat widget]

You could make an integrated puppet and get 25% of civilian and 75% of military factories without sacrificing manpower and equipment

[idle arch]

I'm done arguing with you

[neat widget]

That said

[idle arch]

Also you don't have to defend those tiles

[neat widget]

That takes time, and with high enough compliance you can get a good amount of factories anyways

It depends on your situation to be honest

[uncut narwhal]

as any major country its better to annex long term

[neat widget]

And if you got enough collaboration governments you can puppet then annex and still get the compliance after annexing

This is really one of the questions that depends, I'd say though that annexing is better more of the time than puppeting

[uncut narwhal]

the only case where id say puppeting is better is when your a small nation with little manpower

[neat widget]

Yeah

Then you can take the manpower

Of course you just might have coreable areas there too, in which case you annex

[glacial steeple]

hiii

[idle arch]

What

[glacial steeple]

idk i didnt read yet

[glacial steeple]

you can get over 100% of factories from annexing

so it is better if you have high compliance

[stuck garnet]

hey hey help