ask-for-help-here

[glacial steeple]

you could send the save here

discord file upload button

[neat widget]

Go to the deploy divisions tab

[glacial steeple]

paradox, hoi4, savegames

[neat widget]

And then deploy divisions

[glacial steeple]

you already have the save

yes

you can still send it

[neat widget]

Ironman saves are still in the same area

[glacial steeple]

it will say ironman italy whatever

quit to menu so its saved at the day

now just + button

on discord

now you gotta find the savegames folder

one sec

[glacial steeple]

ill look through

but ngl

that is far from early stage

you are deep in deficits with no army at home and mostly capped

its like a disaster save ditto

just before capping

late stage disaster saves are like 95% capped or whatever

i one time saved someones save where he was 99% capped

it was bleak

step 1

dont capitulate

never rely on the ai to save you

ai is best at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

good luck :)

[sour mountain]

ty

is deleting my canadian army a solution

like the eincercled one?

[errant chasm]

Anyways for navy changes in the NCNS. Is the ratio still 4 carriers, 10 capitals and 40 screens?

[neat widget]

True

[errant chasm]

You are only going to get a few manpower and no equipment back IIRC

[sour mountain]

better than them just dead

ig

cuz well

[hollow zephyr]

hey all. I’m new to hoi4 and I’m doing the tutorial and clearing the alerts at the top: I got an alert saying I didn’t have enough supplies for production, so I made some trades with my civilian factories for more of the resources I need. But the alert saying I still need more resources is there and my supplies still say the same too. Any idea?

[errant chasm]

Screenshot?

[wise heron]

why is it not possible to just build super goods subs that are super hard to find and then use them to get naval dominance and naval invade countries?

[errant chasm]

ah I see you could try increasing the resources you want to trade

that should make the resource alert go away

[hollow zephyr]

i see. i traded for 8 rubber with germany but i was only lacking 4. i thought that would be enough?

[neat widget]

Those divisions might just live because of how hostile the environment is to pushing

[neat widget]

subs don't provide a lot of naval dominance

[wise heron]

yo alex try looking at “Machivillian strategist” unedited country guides, they are super good and show you how to dominate with any country and how to play. i suggest subscribing to dlcs too, not that expensive

[wise heron]

yeah but still it would work tho?

[errant chasm]

well you are going to have to cut down the items you make in the factories or buy more resources or build infacstructure to increase resources

[neat widget]

It'd take a long time

[errant chasm]

That YTer is full of misinfo lmao

[wise heron]

cuz ai don’t make that good divisions

[wise heron]

nah

[neat widget]

still technically work, but oof

[wise heron]

his guides are peak

[neat widget]

Vistula is right here, we were just talking about where they were wrong

[hollow zephyr]

awesome thanks for the suggestion ill check it out! i definitely plan to get the dlcs too, just wanna familiarize myself with vanilla so its not as much to learn

[wise heron]

yea

[hollow zephyr]

got it, thank you. so less production lines or less factories assigned to them?

[wise heron]

nah but vistula i really want to know what you mean

[errant chasm]

less factories asigned to them

[errant chasm]

basically their guides let's just say they don't make the most optimal templates and it spreads like wild fire

[wise heron]

yeah maybe it’s a bit lousy he could make better divisions, but the point is for the guides to be easy and effective

[errant chasm]

anything works but single player but there are way more optimal templates that the mp community has made.

[wise heron]

wdym spreads like wildfire?

[wise heron]

ahh ok

[errant chasm]

people think they are "meta" and share it across reddit/steam/discord that's why.

[wise heron]

yea

but i still think he is the best guide youtuber because he shows everything instead of people who skip a lot

[hollow zephyr]

does it take time for imported materials like rubber to be available?

[errant chasm]

If it's the SP country guides that's fine. But Mp advice just go on Red Baron or SumZer0's discord server

[errant chasm]

no it should be instant

[wise heron]

they come one hour after you order it

[hollow zephyr]

ah im paused that must be why

[wise heron]

yea, so u think the 6/0 with support art and engineers are good def units?

[errant chasm]

try 8/0 or a bare 6/0 without any companies that should be a bit better

[neat widget]

You'd want AA if you're under red air btw

[wise heron]

no difference tho, if u use lower width u can have more support arts that don’t add width

[wise heron]

yea

[tough summit]

Are trucks as italy worth it?

[hollow zephyr]

in general is it a good idea to be trading civillian factories for resources?

[tough summit]

do they just help with atrittion?

[wise heron]

yes

[wise heron]

you should focus on military factories to build great divisions and conquer so u get more resources and more industry

[errant chasm]

really adding 2 infantry battalion should give more org and hp imo which is more important for defense

[wise heron]

definitely

[tough summit]

And what planes should I use?

[hollow zephyr]

got it. isn’t there a penalty for building them early or something?

[wise heron]

but if i have 9 6/0 and 7 8/0 it is the same

[errant chasm]

@neat widget Correct me if I am wrong with my eariler statement on the hp/org thing

[errant chasm]

Could you take a pic of them so I can compare?

[wise heron]

nah, only if u have an national spirit that has those effects

[errant chasm]

let me see this for myself

[wise heron]

can’t

[neat widget]

well you want hp/org to be above a certain amount

[errant chasm]

F12 to take a pic

[wise heron]

i’m not on hoi4

[hollow zephyr]

cool thank you

[wise heron]

i’m just bored

[wise heron]

yea

np

[errant chasm]

would a 12 width be better at defensive than 16 width? I use 12 width for a coastal spam. but not sure if it's economically effeiceint

[neat widget]

should be more than about 3.5 I believe

[neat widget]

No

[errant chasm]

Alright thanks

[versed rose]

cant you fit 1 more 12w per battle? its going to be godawful but it would last longer because more org in the battle

[wise heron]

i mean it’s all rational, two 20 witdhs are as good as one 40 width if i’m not wrong

[neat widget]

I mean it would, you'd lose more casualties that way though

and with 12w those casualties might not be replaced in time

[wise heron]

nah not that much

and the ai stops attacking when they find it impossible

[versed rose]

no, 12w hp to org is so godawful that it bleeds ic and manpower much harsher than 16w

[wise heron]

is 16 width better then?

[neat widget]

I mean

The AI no longer does that

[neat widget]

for most purposes yes

[wise heron]

yea maybe idk

has anyone here played sinkiang yet

[neat widget]

well technically there's no impossible now

[errant chasm]

This, tbh I only use 12 widths without companies for coastal spam and that's it

[wise heron]

yeah

[wise heron]

maybe 7 mechs per tile with forts

[pliant condor]

the difference between smaller and larger template is org and damage concentration

if you think about it, the total amount of unti you have on the coast is the same regardless of the tempalte

[oak jasper]

Playing as the rightful Kaiser, I got a decision, "Demand Polish War Participation".

Thing is, what triggered that decision was Poland being, well, invaded by Russia. Is this just going to be a waste of 50 political power?

[pliant condor]

it just depends on how much gun you put into it

[neat widget]

the AI wouldn't think that's impossible to break anymore for some reason

[errant chasm]

So back to this, for navy changes in the NCNS. Is the ratio still 4 carriers, 10 capitals and 40 screens?

[pliant condor]

there has never been a thing as ratio

you put everything in one fleet

the question is what ship you want to build

[errant chasm]

Oh according to Joey P Cl is not a braindead good anymore and that Torp DD and Cl spam is good wait what does Cl stand for jsut to make it clear?

Joey didn't give me any template pics

[pliant condor]

yes

or ok

it depends on your enemy

against ai probably cruiser spam is still fine

[versed rose]

you need torp 3 for torp DD to be better than CL iirc

[pliant condor]

it's just straight-up better now

[errant chasm]

so like for a japan mp game

[pliant condor]

because of all the doctrine

[pliant condor]

it depends very much on what your enemy build

I would never build cruiser

it's probably something between torp dd and gun dd

[errant chasm]

Also what doctrine should i use since no one has ever told me what I should use?

[errant chasm]

probably what the uk and us build im guessing. Not sure what they would build since they are the enemy obviously

[pliant condor]

read and you find out

or ok for dd

you take the sub doctrine that give you torp hit chance

second slot is patrol boats

third slot is light task force

last one you should start out on coastal fleet for refit speed

then i don't think it's super important since you don't build capital ships in general

probably go for naval gunfire support

especially good if you do ranger + mountaineer special force doctrine

since you won't get naval planning otherwise

[pliant condor]

well in rb most of the times nobody build a fleet

so it's kinda pointless in there

just put your starting fleet for shore and build subs

otherwise you can have some intel on what they are building through the intel screen

[errant chasm]

tbh i usualy play in a causal mp server and nobody knows navy anyways lmao

[pliant condor]

at least like if it's cl or dd

[pliant condor]

then just build torp dd and win

also make sure to do refits

make the base with only the gun

and go fleet in being for refit spirit

[errant chasm]

alright so just don't worry too much of the template just shove Torps into the DDs and it should reck everyone

[pliant condor]

ship refit cost work differently from equipment conversion, it can be cheaper if you refit

[pliant condor]

i mean it's pretty obvious what the template is

full on torps

make sure to use the raiding fleet mio

and pick visibility traits on your admiral

don't be the dumbass who use yamamoto on japan

[errant chasm]

that is what i said, and just do that and I win against the AI or players who dont know navy.

[pliant condor]

most players would split their navy like ai

so yes you win anyways

[errant chasm]

Thanks I suppose that is all I need to know just cram one mega DD task force to win.

[pliant condor]

also you probably want to refit your carriers, since it's pretty ic efficient, but usually im too lazy to do that

there's not a lot of naval ic to spare on expensive toys like shbb and stuff

[pliant condor]

exactly

[errant chasm]

I remembered Segl's video right before the NCNS where he said SHBBs are meta, kek.

probably a very badly timed video since that happened late GoE

[pliant condor]

I think it is certainly not meta now with dd fleet

and with nav targetting changes

in the old cruiser fleet one can argue that having the capital line being wiped out too quickly is bad since heavy attack damage light cruisers more heavility(relative to light attack that cannot pierce)

and nav won't kill carriers as quickly

but both are not true now

ok i don't think you should trust segl for navy regardless

[tough summit]

can someone tell me why my divisions go towards the point I've made for them and then just back away, I also lose on offense whilst it's ifantry against infantry whilst I have 4 times the divisions and idk why is it terrain or what? (Italy in Ethopia)

[pliant condor]

use your air

then you win in ethiopia

[tough summit]

I am

[pliant condor]

make sure you have all the cas over the zone you are fighting

and tactical bombers

[pliant condor]

then click battleplan button and you win

you have a lot more plane than this

look at mainland italy

[tough summit]

aight I'll try thx

I get it that I have attrition and stuff but cmon

I don't get ts 💔

[pliant condor]

ok restart the game

draw two frontlines

put ALL your division and ALL your air(look at mainland) on the frontline/airbase

and distribute them

wait until you get the event with mussolini, pick the option by any means

click battleplan button

make sure the CAS is always over the zone you are fighting

then you capitulate them in april the latest

when you annex afar adjust the frontline

[tough summit]

for 2 different armies?

[pliant condor]

put all your division in the north to one army

south to one

add you mainland division to both

[tough summit]

and just do one front line for one army and another one for the other?

[pliant condor]

yes

and draw two offensive lines

[tough summit]

towards main cities?

[pliant condor]

toward anything

it doesn't matter

[pliant condor]

just draw until like the bottom left corner the last tiles you would take

[tough summit]

well the problem for me is that my army goes to start a battle, fights for a few secs and then backs out

[pliant condor]

do what I said and you would win

if you have dragged the war for too long and your division have zero stat because they lost all equipment then they would lose

just do exactly as what I said and you win and get a peacedeal

[austere roost]

No supply + no air + attacking from one tile = L

[lament flare]

well another world conquest later and i have done it. please fix it so you at least have a save after the continue butten pops up annoyed that i needed to reply due to a game crash

same i just make good units and spam them. get 3 lines of 1000 units and mark the map in garrison order and do a naval invasjon when i need to

[tropic seal]

wc is just way too boring for me

youre fighting supply more than the enemy after capping the majors

[lament flare]

just build civs til 42 then you easy have 90 civs and make more civs afte killing bigger nations and insta supply. in both games i never made a single mill before 1943 jsut to get planes to bomb units to shit

[lament quail]

what happens if bormann fails the kartenhaus

[lament flare]

germany can wc by 1943 so

[tropic seal]

lol i usually dont have enoyugh patience to play through games after capping the majors

cuz then no one can really contest you anymore

[light knoll]

(Germany can wq way earlier than that)

and by way earlier i mean like

37-38

[tropic seal]

37 wc is insane

[light knoll]

its not really a realistic goal for world conquest but like. with abusing game mechanics used to be possible
idk whats the fastest possible time now but much earlier than 43 anyways

[tropic seal]

ah i see

[vital plinth]

Hi is there a way for me to see how much infantry weapon my army has in total ?

[vital plinth]

Where can I find this ?

I found it

[low vector]

Should I be continuously making divisions? Like 5 or 6?

How do I know to make more or less?

[glacial steeple]

underappreciated tab tbh

[cold bloom]

Usually when you have a significant enough equipment surplus

And manpower too, naturally

Id stockpile like...10-20% of deployed equipment/manpower and put the rest in new divisions

[glacial steeple]

no

its bad

just make when you have sufficient stockpiles/manpower

[low vector]

Whats the threshold of when i know I have sufficient stockpiles/manpower?

[glacial steeple]

better to recruit at once and keep logistics safely positive than too recruit too many constantly

its just intuition?

theres no set point

if your army is larger you will naturally lose more equipment from attrition and combats

so a larger stockpile is good

[low vector]

For example here is the ammopunt of inatry supplies I have

and manpower

[glacial steeple]

thats a 64K deficit

[cold bloom]

Thats really bad

How much army do you have in the field?

[low vector]

RIP ok

[glacial steeple]

it doesnt even show how many guns you have

[low vector]

How do I find my total division size

[glacial steeple]

this tab shows you what you have deployed

its under the army tab

below the speed bar

[cold bloom]

Hover over top bar manpower number

[glacial steeple]

doesnt show equipment fielded

or batallions deployed

[low vector]

I was watching a Germany guide and he rushed the annexing of austria

[cold bloom]

That means about halve your army is lacking equipment, you should stop training if not disband some units until youre in the positives

[glacial steeple]

your army needs to be equipped for that

[low vector]

Understood so i should stop making new divisions and just pause for now

[cold bloom]

Anschluss rush has been nerfed into the ground, I dont think theres much point making divisions like that anymore?

[low vector]

Oh really

[light knoll]

wdym been nerfed

[cold bloom]

The weird dynamic check where you need some insane number like 30 times Austria's army at the start that gradually lowers

instead of a fixed number thats easy to reach

[light knoll]

oh yea it's pretty easy to reach

[low vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UadQ3euApmM&t=1976s

I was watching this guy

Apologise I only have 30 hours in the game lol I am a pradox fanatic though I have 2k hours in EU4 and 1K in CK3

[light knoll]

you just spam 2 widths

[low vector]

Just trying to get a hang of things so i thought watching a guide may help

[cold bloom]

If they really made it check division count than thats worse than what it was first with deployed guns 😔

[light knoll]

it might helo, but he has a few stuff wrong

[low vector]

ohh

any youtubers or guides you guys reccomend

[light knoll]

the most important one is using tanks, and especially not spgs. i would not recommend using tanks in the way he uses them, it requires a lot more effort and experience

compared to battleplaning with infantry

[low vector]

gotcha

[light knoll]

segl is generally the most accurate one

he also did Germany guide lately tho tbf he isn't as fun to watch as bittersteel

[low vector]

Just watched his infantry meta template... its pretty muich all infantry battalions

[light knoll]

nah it is gun check

but 2 widths are just the easiest ones to make

[low vector]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBk-nVIXstA

this is the one i watched

[light knoll]

tho you can use the army xp exploit to make any division lol

[light knoll]

yeah that's a good one

you can watch his other stuff, he explains how stats work, which support companies are good, which projects you should be doing, etc.

[low vector]

Another question is how much produciton should i put for each military equipment? Is 1 usually good for planes and 2 for tanks?

How do I know when to go up or down? This is probably my biggest struggle. Im not sure when to increase or decrease production.

[light knoll]

don't produce the light tank design you start with

https://youtu.be/qrfR91lIO0c

[low vector]

How do you usually set up your production military factory points? Do you change it often? Or should I keep it the same throughout the game?

[vital geode]

You adjust your military production semi often

You usually queue what you want though

[light knoll]

ideally swap as little as possible. obviously you sometimes need to swap, or update to newer equipment, but the less you need to swap the better

[vital geode]

After a certain point

[light knoll]

you build efficiency over time

[vital geode]

Oh, we are talking about the equipment itself

I thought it was about adding mils

[light knoll]

i mean swapping mills

[vital geode]

Yeah, you usually want to keep what is on something

Because production efficiency is huge

[ruby fulcrum]

if i puppeted shanxi would they be called into the war with china

[low vector]

Like anything in general like how do I know 1 military factory is enough

[light knoll]

you ideally should let efficiency build, however it obviously doesn't mean you shouldn't increase mills on something you don't have enough of or decrease on something you have too much of

[light knoll]

its fine to adjust later

[vital geode]

You see the red + sign on some equipment?

Put mils on ones that have those that arent being replenished quickly

[light knoll]

but it should be enough, 1 maybe 2

[low vector]

this one? ok!

[pliant condor]

you want to produce the equipment that your division use, and never, ever remove factory from line(except day 1 ofc)

like look at you infantry division

[light knoll]

also honestly i wouldn't build naval bombers because navy is so easy rn

[pliant condor]

it uses 900 gun, 12 artillery, and 30 support equipment

[vital geode]

Click and you can see the estimated time reinforcements will be filled if you want to know what you really should put mils on

[pliant condor]

so you want to be producing stuff on that ratio

[vital geode]

By hovering over the red number

[light knoll]

you can beat any navy without using mills for it and just your starting dockyards

[pliant condor]

it oculd mean like 1 on artillery, 3 on support, 20 on guns

usually you delete all your air production day 1

or only keep the CAS

[low vector]

Ahhh so the ones in red I put more military mils

[pliant condor]

it's a way to do it but not the best method

[low vector]

What is the best method?

[pliant condor]

look at what your division use and make equipment on that ratio

and only deploy division when you have an equipment surplus

like -60k gun is just a consequence of you deploying a bunch of empty division that doesn't do anything

like your infantry division uses 900 gun, 12 artillery, and 30 support equipment

so you want to be producing equipment according to that

[low vector]

so loook ath the equipment here?

[pliant condor]

yes

each equipment has a cost

[low vector]

what would be the ratio?

[pliant condor]

like your gun might cost 0.5 IC

so 900 gun cost 450 IC

each support equipment cost 4 IC

and 30 is 120 IC

so you want like x mil on gun and x/4 mil on support

roughly speaking, you keep 1 on artillery and it's enough for the entire game

[low vector]

sorry dumb question on my part what is IC?

[pliant condor]

and put like 5x as much factory on gun as support

[low vector]

Industrial capacity?

[pliant condor]

so each factory has a certain output

representing the amount of "stuff" it can produce each day

what decides how much actual equipment it produces is that number, divided by the cost(IC) of each piece of equipment

like if your 1 factory produce 5 IC per day, and each gun is 0.5 IC, then it makes 10 gun per day

so you assign factory according to how much IC each type of equipment in your division would cost in total

[low vector]

Ahhh I see... how do I know how much IC 1 piece of equipment is?

[pliant condor]

go to production

click on one of the tabs

it's the number next to the hammer

[glacial steeple]

it hasnt

you can do it third focus

[pliant condor]

so like in theory you put 4 on gun per 1 on support

in practice you want a bit more on gun since you would use gun elsewhere

and gun upgrade cost you efficiency while support line stays

[molten fractal]

Hey anyone how to mods here. I need a sifu that can teach me.

[cold bloom]

elaborate

[low vector]

Whats the math to get 4? So my Inf Equipment has a base IC of 0.5 .... I need 910 equipmenmt to support 1 divsiion

[pliant condor]

and then look at support equipment

[low vector]

so support equipment i need 30 for one division

it costs 4 IC

[glacial steeple]

you make units of only guns utilizing day 1 production efficiency to put 20+ mil on guns

then spam 2 widths with xp from rhineland

its not that hard

20 mils is enough for fifth focus

[low vector]

I guess im trying to say how many mils should I have? As much to make 4 at all times?

[glacial steeple]

if you want third you need like 25 iirc

[glacial steeple]

theres no hard numbers for anything

nor is the game just 1 country

[pliant condor]

ehm

[glacial steeple]

its dynamic and scales with your industry and army sizes

[pliant condor]

so how much IC in total does it cost

[glacial steeple]

and the units you need to equip

[pliant condor]

that's not the right question to ask

the correct question is "what ratio do i assign my mils to guns and support equipment"

and you get it from the math you just did

support costs 120 IC in total

gun cost 450 IC in total

[low vector]

I see 4x30 and 0.5x910

[hollow zephyr]

hi guys, im currently playing through the tutorial and im trying to invade ethiopia. i followed the tutorial with making the attack plans but it says two of my divisions are losing. how do i help them?

[tepid umbra]

The only way is bring more divs

Or put your air

[tropic seal]

Click on the red bubble it'll tell you why

[split junco]

Which DLC should I buy first? I have 800 hours in vanilla and RT56, and about 40 hours in TFR

[gleaming quest]

How do you play 800 hours without getting a DLC i would lose my mind

I like La Résistance

[civic hare]

how good is naval invasion support for gaining domi

[errant chasm]

I don't know how navy works but wouldn't strike force or patrol be better?

[civic hare]

k

[pliant condor]

it doesn't

[errant chasm]

Also air dominance is also needed if you want to sea lion. So have a lot of heavy fighters to crush the enemy's airforce.

[civic hare]

that wasnt so bad

I should have done this in earlier playthroughs

[errant chasm]

Damn better than me for navy. I will give you that.

[stuck garnet]

did you build planning?

what tiles are you attacking?

[low vector]

I noticed spegel sets mil factories to 10 in the very beggining of the game???

and then fills divisions with infantry battalions...

Wouldnt he run a deficit?

[stuck garnet]

36 inf

no flame tanks?

no assault engis?

no hospitals?

signal companies?

logistics?

[low vector]

its from this guide someone reccommended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrfR91lIO0c&t=445s

essentially im still having a hard to grasping how many military factories i should put for each military asset.....like is one enough for some but then infantry equipment you need more??

[tepid umbra]

No step back

[tepid umbra]

You sort of have to just learn this from experience and what you lack

But usually stuff for support comps/1 battalion is 1-5 mils

Inf equipment can be 10-15 or so

And planes and tank production can change a lot

[low vector]

should i keep making more infantry and panzer divisions though??? How do I know I have enough for the war?

[tepid umbra]

Hold on

My dog is holdimg my arm

Ok there

[tepid umbra]

Basically, a few armies of inf, and 12 tank divs is usually fine

However, the default tank divs aren't very good

And the inf divs could use some AA

[low vector]

Should I stockpile on infantry equipment or just go on a deficit training units?

[tepid umbra]

Sort of a mix of both yk

You don't need to be exact with the training but like

Try not to go into huge deficits

Or get huge stockpiles

[low vector]

For example if my divisions start losing men it gets replenished by the manpower and the infantry equipment? But I also have to balance that by how many infantry divisions i train?

[tepid umbra]

Huh

[low vector]

Ya I guess its one of things im going to have to expirience to get a hang of

im suprised there is not alot of guides on how to balance production and logisitcs. Some are like 3 years old.

[pliant condor]

don't deploy more than you have

[pliant condor]

yes

but usually you produce more than you lose

because you won't take as much damage fighting ai

[pliant condor]

because most guides focus on the irrelevant aspects of the game(like templates)

sadly

[hollow zephyr]

how do i know when my war goal justification is finished and i can declare war?

[civic hare]

they are fighting back and pushing me a bit bruh

[tepid umbra]

Not necessarily

You can go into small deficits

Just like don't be 30k in deficit yk

[low vector]

Like this is bad right? Just wondering because alot of the youtubers rush the annexation of austria and then immedialty change their troops to regular infantry divisions.

[tepid umbra]

Very

[pliant condor]

ok so there's a specific trick

if you see a focus that says "need X amount of manpower in division"

you can convert a small like 2 width division to a large division with guns disabled

then manpower reinforces in but not guns

so you can do the focus

[low vector]

ohhhh

[pliant condor]

for anschluss specifically if you have dlc, it doesn't help as it is now a dynamic check that needs your division to be equipped

this is a fake deficit, if you click on the equipment itself in the window you can see that the guns are still in stockpile

[low vector]

should i even be rushing for anschluss as a begginer?

[tepid umbra]

Yes

[tepid umbra]

If you're stopping yourself from doing smth as a beginner when will you start

[low vector]

can i do this naturally by simplying making more regular divisions or should i follow the guide of making one batllion divisions? and afterwards converting them to regular infantry there is a huge huge deficet in supplies

[pliant condor]

do you have dlc

[low vector]

yes all of them

[pliant condor]

there's no difference between the two(except that you need to force deploy them since you won

t have support equipment

making 2 width is the correct choice though

because it has other usages

like converting to large divs to cheese sudetenland

and very importantly it inflates your divisionn number

so you can send more volunteers to spain

you should send 6 diviisons to spain

also japan as well later on, you need like 250 something of 2 width

[pliant condor]

you need around 20 factory on gun day 1 to get anschluss

which is your fifth focus

after picking todt and heed von neurath concerns

[tepid umbra]

Isn't the other one better

For research bonuses or sumn

[low vector]

so spam something like this ?

[pliant condor]

it's worse

supply debuff

it unlocks molotov which you don't need anyways

[pliant condor]

yes

[tepid umbra]

Research bonuses

[pliant condor]

i don't think it gives you research bonus

[tepid umbra]

It does

There's a whole focus for it

Tank research bonuses

[pliant condor]

yes

so useless

also a waste of focus time

it's two focuses

you need m-r and then treaty with ussr

[tepid umbra]

No

[pliant condor]

usually what i do is day 1 change like 12 divs to the light tank division, deploy like 120 2 width, then start adding more calvary into the light tank division until they are 36 wdith, which would be your volunteers

and after start doing anschluss, convert the 2 width to a copy of your starting infantry with equipments disabled, so you can start doing sudetenland right after

[low vector]

I see

So by the time the war starts Ill have enough resources to convert all thos 1 battlation divisions into infantry divisions

how do i do the plane stuff? should i set some to reserve?

or train them all

[civic hare]

UK is at 26% but I have less then a mil left

[tepid umbra]

Huh

[tepid umbra]

Wdym plane stuff

[low vector]

airforce

[tepid umbra]

Well yeah

But wdym

[low vector]

should i be building more? set them to reserve?

as germany

[tepid umbra]

Yk you should be attacking

[spare cradle]

what is a good offensive template for austria hungary

[tepid umbra]

Build more, train them

[civic hare]

its all disadvantage rn

[tepid umbra]

prolly cuz all your divs are unequipped and prolly not that good

[civic hare]

k

[hollow zephyr]

who would be a good military target as italy after defeating and annexing ethiopia? its june 1936

[tepid umbra]

build up to prep for yugo, greece, and north africa

[hollow zephyr]

that sounds like a plan! thank you

[pliant condor]

in general you don't want to do that

that maximizes your attrition

first, you want to train all your division to level 3

[low vector]

oh

[pliant condor]

if you do that, your division would start at level 1 with no xp

instead, you want to deploy in the queue a long time before war whenever you have gun

so they deploy at level 2

and then you exercise it to level 3

[pliant condor]

deploy everything but don't train

send tactical bomber to spain as volunteer

and delete your day 1 ai rline

maybe keep like 1 on CAS but that's all

[low vector]

oh delete all my day 1 airforce?

[pliant condor]

air production

not airforce

[low vector]

oh air production gotcah

[pliant condor]

when you start building mils in like 37 put 5 on this design

basic cas

it would be your basic cas/nav

good enough to kill submarines and stuff

so you can fight in africa and sealion

[pliant condor]

also very very importantly, start researching the 1940 airframe from day 1

like literally the first day of the game

and pick industry liason when you get 50 air xp

you get the airframe in late 1938

by then you also need to research range improvement, survivability studies, and heavy machine gun

then you can make like this

put like 20 factory on this and it would kill any ai plane

[errant chasm]

So what naval task should i click for naval dominance as apparently patrol is only used for recon, and strike force is that the ships just stay docked until they see an enemy ship.

[pliant condor]

patrol

[errant chasm]

Damn I guess my noob ass back in 2022 was right lmao boat spamming on patrol. All the Youtubers go oh use strike force smh.

[glacial steeple]

anyone here have any knowledge about the philippines btw

[civic hare]

that playthrough was so rage bait

[bronze geyser]

chat what is a good strat as USSR to stop or at least slow the german push? cuz they just melt me extremely fast

[tepid umbra]

Nah prolyl not

[tepid umbra]

How much knowledge

[low vector]

ok im starting to get the logistics part now.... so for training there is usually a 120 day bufffer meaning if I make around 200 inf equipment a day i can still field enough supplies for my infantry that are coming out in 4 months

[tropic seal]

18w infantry with aa, engineers and artillery. move then behind the riverline from riga to like stalino i think

however occupy some tiles to the weest of the riverline that are supply hubs like kiev

on those tiles i like building forts but thats probably optional, it worked really well for me though

the germans never even made it past the first riverline

[hearty ore]

so what do i do if japan is blocking my convoys through the english channel, like we arent at war but i got a notification trade is being blocked by them?????

and we have good relations too and a non agression pact

but cuz my capital is london nothing in usa or europe or colonies can get to me

[tropic seal]

then set the english channel to avoid

for your convoys

theyll just go around it

[hearty ore]

huh

ok

you wouldnt believe how many trade route notifications i just got

[tropic seal]

lol

[glacial steeple]

ive gained new knowledge today

[tepid umbra]

how much knowledge

how hungry...

[fierce idol]

as communist china, do I need to worry about germany taking out russia?

[glacial steeple]

ive played it in 5 speed on ahist ai a singular time in an mp mod

[tepid umbra]

i've played it in 5 speed on ahist ai one time

in vanilla 🙀

[tropic seal]

How do I like consistently get and retain vets?

Like what's the strategy

they often get vet and lose it immediately or dont get it at all

[glacial steeple]

do you wanna do it legit or not legit

[tropic seal]

uh

could you explain both ways

[tepid umbra]

how not legit are we talking 👀

[tropic seal]

console commands!

[austere roost]

As long as you keep losses low you don't lose veterancy a lot

[tropic seal]

ive got field hospitals and allat

and the vets still not increasing

[glacial steeple]

theres none

but you can exploit

[tropic seal]

ah

can you just explain how i can get veterancy then

its in singeplayer do i dont mind using like minor bugs

i already use the special forces cap thing anyway

[glacial steeple]

its not rlly minor lol

but just getting good field hospitals helps doing it legiy

its not that hard

[tropic seal]

oh

what

but even when i hit like field hospital 4

i still struggle with like getting vet quickly

what are the conditions for gaining vet? just fighting?

[glacial steeple]

well you know how you gain xp exercising?

combat works the same

its worse if you have short battles

[tropic seal]

not really i just shift click the army exericse until theyre done

[neat widget]

you can gain more than level 2 from exercising? but you use field hospitals?

[glacial steeple]

technically

[neat widget]

btw what would the best defense be against divisions with basically unlimited org

hp is normal though

[tropic seal]

cant you get to level 3 from exercising?

[tropic seal]

is this the zombie mod lol

[neat widget]

yeah

[neat widget]

oh yeah level 3

my bad

can you get more than level 3

[tropic seal]

no

not from exercising

[neat widget]

computer science ruined my life forever

[tropic seal]

lol

[glacial steeple]

@thin nebula

[glacial steeple]

well kind of

not directly

[tropic seal]

@glacial steeple so what was the strategy you were talking about for getting vet?

[glacial steeple]

if you train a puppets troops

you know how a part of it is yours and their manpower

and if you then turn them into your template it only retains your manpower

and it tries to compensate for vet loss by giving them more veterancy

but during that process you can consolidate the units to have them be at full veterancy

[tropic seal]

oh

[glacial steeple]

easiest practiced/tested as japan puppeting like korea

[tepid umbra]

yikes

[tropic seal]

whats the best way to get vet if ilike

im not doing the puppet shenanigans

[glacial steeple]

play the game

[tropic seal]

lol fair but my units never seem to get high vet man

do they get more vet attacking or dfending

or does it not matter

[glacial steeple]

same amount

its time spent in combat minus losses

[tropic seal]

ah so super long battles = good?

maybe thats why i havent been getting vet

[glacial steeple]

yes

[tropic seal]

its hard to get into long battles with the ai

[thin nebula]

wat dis

[glacial steeple]

supply

look how nice it looks

im not done building rails yet

[thin nebula]

why did you build supply hubs in northwest australia?

[tepid umbra]

are there even troops there

[glacial steeple]

yes

[glacial steeple]

im gonna max out the supply

[tepid umbra]

damn holy shit

[fierce idol]

how long before germany runs out of manpower? i might've screwed with the timeline by subjugating japan so the USA hasn't joined the allies and now there's no D-Day

[red mesa]

their absolute maximum is over 20m

[sour wadi]

ay lads

just capitulated poland as austria-hungary

soviets as austria-hungary*

if i cede poland all the lands needed for polish lithuanian. can they form it?

[light knoll]

they need 80% average compliance

they're not gonna get there

[sour wadi]

oof

[light knoll]

they're gonna have a shitty law

[gritty marten]

or have it as a puppet, but you cant give puppets to other countries in peace treaties

[light knoll]

even with civilian oversight it takes years

[sour wadi]

ehhh

i rewarded poland with belarus and latvia

lithuania*

then puppeted the countrys that exist today, plus some extra in the northern caucasus

[gritty marten]

I think you had a focus to release ukraine as AH

[sour wadi]

looking at it, i dont think so?

im monarchist AH

maybe if i was facist

[gritty marten]

maybe it's missing on the austrian tree

[sour wadi]

it is

thats hungarian monarchist

this is what i got

now all i have to do is integrate my puppets

...

greeattt

[gritty marten]

wait you dont get decisions to just annex them?

[sour wadi]

not that i see?

[gritty marten]

in the austrian tree

[sour wadi]

i can core lands in germany and in northern italy

i can become austria hungary through the joint tree

but they are still seperate

i wish there was

but nope

i went down subjegate instead of annex

[gritty marten]

ouch

[sour wadi]

ehhh it was so i could kill the germans easier

had to do it fast cuz of poland

yayyy

swiss joined the allies

that means i gotta make a navy..

[verbal arrow]

naval bombers

[sour wadi]

idk if they work for naval supremacy w the new system]

cuz i legit have no navy

im austria

[verbal arrow]

oh then have bare heavy cruisers maybe battleships then have navs

its even easier now to sealion with the starting navy with the new system

[light knoll]

light cruisers

never use heavy cruisers

[mighty dagger]

Guys does anyone rmbr how much ic it costs to build a nav facil

[wintry oxide]

how can I check where are my convoys being raided? I have like 400 convoys left and I had 4k. Just noticed that so much is gone

[subtle socket]

look for naval battle bubbles around map

[ember wolf]

Do generals and field marshals buff only apply in battle plans or can they be applied during micro-managing?

[hoary glen]

Attack etc always applies in combat, regardless of if you or the Battleplan made the click.

[ember wolf]

ah thanks

[hoary glen]

Only thing to really keep in mind is that you lose planning quicker if you click yourself compared to a Battleplan.

[wintry snow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[tropic seal]

they have plenty of mp left lol

[glacial steeple]

i thought this said you lose quicker xD

[hoary glen]

Lmfao. That would be like in the top 5 of insults you can deliver to players of this game.

[slow prawn]

mp available

[sour mountain]

can i force my puppet to be indepdent

[hollow linden]

Trade with them, use their puppets in war

[sour mountain]

ik

i mean like

they can choose that rn

but they arent

[hollow linden]

They prob don't have pp

So just wait

[sour mountain]

they do it says when you however over hte button

idk why they choose not to

[hollow linden]

Because they don't have pp+

It costs 300

[fathom forge]

I'm doing a kaisereich left koumentang campaign and I'm a bit rusty does any one have a good inf template for me to use?

[hollow linden]

U can't see your puppets pp

[tropic seal]

can you release puppets like annexed territories

[sour mountain]

it says how much more pp they need if you however with your mouse over the button

[hollow linden]

Does it?

[sour mountain]

i found that out very recetnly too

yea

[hollow linden]

Do u have over 300 pp?

[sour mountain]

just a bit over it

[hollow linden]

6k hours in. U still learn smth

Insane

I did not know that

[sour mountain]

ye i didnt know aswell

[hollow linden]

OK interesting that they don't choose it though

Usually AI is coded to increase autonomy

But like, u also puppeted yugo which you should never do

[sour mountain]

ye true

[sour mountain]

they did it for every single level

like 3 times

and they randomly dont do it now

[hollow linden]

Yea it does that

Weird

[sour mountain]

I JUST WANNA FINNISH THIS FOR ONCE

[hollow linden]

Lmao

This is so easy what

Why did u puppet anything in the first place

Annexing is better anyhow

[sour mountain]

as you can observe

[sour mountain]

got it as a decission

[hollow linden]

Why would u ever 😭

[hollow linden]

I know

[sour mountain]

figured out free puppet why not

[hollow linden]

It's still dumb

[hollow linden]

It's not free though

It's a puppet that's a pain to annex

Never puppet

It's always shit and annoying

[sour mountain]

trve

wait what

i legit did it

look at russia

[hollow linden]

Yea the tag exists

That the problem

The tag can't exist

U Gotta do it again

[sour mountain]

wdm

[hollow linden]

Russia needs to not exist

[sour mountain]

bruhh

[hollow linden]

"capitulate" usually means to kill

[sour mountain]

i dont want to go till the 90s till yugoslavaic hooses to be free

@hollow linden question if you know ai patters
does me disolving my faction somewhat help the ai understand they can be indepdent?

[hollow linden]

No clue

Also wouldn't think so

[sour mountain]

the only important thing id lose is brazil

[hollow linden]

I think just trying to annex it is the best choice

It's not gonna go free

[sour mountain]

they alr at max authonomy

it will take so long

[hollow linden]

Lendlease like 5k convoys

Can be done in a few weeks

[misty wagon]

guys how do i get special forces

[hollow linden]

U research special forces in the infantry research tab, at the very bottom

Then make a division with those special forces battalions

[warm sable]

is dispersed or concentrated industry better?

[hollow linden]

Concentrated is better numbers wise. But if you switch lines a lot (more than 3 times) dispersed is good too

[warm sable]

i see, thanks.

[misty wagon]

thank u,

guys i just did restore the british tiles, now what nations do i need to reclaim the holy roman empire/

[jade tulip]

is this template good enough to keep poland under my control? I don't know exactly how to calculate how much suppresion I need to combat resistance

[hollow linden]

U should see it in the decision

[misty wagon]

yes but its divided in like regions

[hollow linden]

Suppression doesn't directly impact resistance. It only determines how much equipment you use

[misty wagon]

could i check like what countroes

[hollow linden]

Yes?

[hollow linden]

Just check the states

There is a search bar

[misty wagon]

will this maybee turn soviets democratic

[hollow linden]

And no this sucks

Make it bigger

Much bigger

[jade tulip]

does it grow proportionally?

[hollow linden]

💀

[hollow linden]

Proportionally to what?

[misty wagon]

what

[hollow linden]

Nothing

[misty wagon]

wait i dont need france for holy roman empire??

[jade tulip]

more suppresion = more equipment used or less eq used

[hollow linden]

A few states

[misty wagon]

is it possible to take them and just sign peace and not go full on war

[hollow linden]

More suppression means less equipment used

[jade tulip]

alr

[hollow linden]

Per state

[hollow linden]

Uh no

U have to kill them

[misty wagon]

maginot line is mean tho

[misty wagon]

with this army 😭

do i also need poland

wait does coup make me in war

[jade tulip]

anyways this sentence destroyed my entire brain, I thought I needed to deploy that divisions and station them there, but I dont, well that makes things at least easier, game could have told me that when I played tutorial

[hollow linden]

My brother in christ, you can make more divisions

U are playing the game

[misty wagon]

are these the best?

[hollow linden]

It's selfexplanatory

[hollow linden]

Wdym best

That's just a modifier

[misty wagon]

oh

marines are good or paratroopers

??

[hexed parcel]

I liek marines more

[misty wagon]

alrighty

im thinking of in the future to take UK so i might need paratroopers

[jade tulip]

well that wasnt a great idea I think

[misty wagon]

😭

[misty wagon]

does coup uh like make me go in war

i NEED soviets to go anything beside communist

[hexed parcel]

No it makes ur couped country fight civil war against ur chosen ideology

[misty wagon]

alr so ill be fine

[hexed parcel]

also should boost ideology of country

When i didnt know naval invasions as germany i couped uk and fought alongside fascist uk

[misty wagon]

what are the odds i change soviets from communist

and RIP

france joined soviets

[misty wagon]

what are odds my coup kills soviets

[hexed parcel]

Like 50/50

[misty wagon]

oh fr?

[hexed parcel]

Dependd where u set the coup actually

[misty wagon]

if soviets go democratic do u think they will like loose their faction

[misty wagon]

i did kiev

[hexed parcel]

If its siberia coup will die usually

[misty wagon]

is kiev fine?

[hexed parcel]

Yes

R u germany

[misty wagon]

yes

im tryna make holy roman empire

[hexed parcel]

Is france the only comintern country u border

[misty wagon]

yes

[hexed parcel]

Ok if belgium isnt guaranteed u can probably bypass maginot while ussr is distractef with coup

[misty wagon]

true true

do i have enough ppl tho?

[hexed parcel]

It also increases chances of coup succeeding cuz ussr would have 2 fronts

[misty wagon]

if it fails im dead

[misty wagon]

is this even enough

[hexed parcel]

Nah I usually deploy divs more than i have supply for

[misty wagon]

coup in 30days

[hexed parcel]

Like 1-3 divs that dont have equipment in training tab

If u deploy divs like one by one delicately ull have like 10% div 90% equipment or something

[misty wagon]

i cant even take belgium world not 50%

[misty wagon]

can i do another coup later?

[hexed parcel]

Yes

Unless civilwar

Only when country is at peace

[misty wagon]

alr good

idk what cuntry to take rn

[hexed parcel]

Id get more divs and take france

[misty wagon]

rn?

[hexed parcel]

If u click at french german border its fortified

[misty wagon]

cant take belgium rn

[hexed parcel]

On french side

Ok true

[misty wagon]

i learned that the hard way

[hexed parcel]

Idk if itd work but bomber plane border like 500+ bombers or something and forts will probably be annihikated

[misty wagon]

is this good

well uhh

[hexed parcel]

Lol

[misty wagon]

it got ahnialated

in seconds

is there any other way i can dissasemble the faction

[hexed parcel]

Poland is protecting u from ussr if u were to go to war with france and even if ussr naval invades its pretty easy to destroy

Ussr naval invasions r easy to destroy

[misty wagon]

yes but i would be paranoid

i am guarteeing poland

should i revoke guarentee

[hexed parcel]

Idk but i prefer 3x3 inf like rubiks cube tiles and id remove artillery on the right

Engineers can be expensive if u dont have enough mils

For support equipment

[misty wagon]

i remove arlitery?

[hexed parcel]

Yes but keep artillery on left

[misty wagon]

ill stay 4x3

[hexed parcel]

Anti air is good too

For enemy air force

[misty wagon]

left or right

[hexed parcel]

Left anti air suppor company

The small most left line is support companies. And rest is idk what its called infantry frontline idk

[misty wagon]

is 111 civs enough

do i start making mils

[hexed parcel]

Yes wow

Thats alot

At bare minimum i do artillery + anti air 3x3 inf, and fighter+cas planes

If enough mils

If i dont have even enough for 3x3 inf and immy industry is some trash nation i only artillery and infantry like 3 mil only or something and no airforce butngermany has good industry so u can make tanks even ig

[misty wagon]

alr

leme show tanks

this is my tanks

[hexed parcel]

When u click officer hat on the bar u see doctrines right

Around 30 org is good

For tanks

[misty wagon]

what do i add

[hexed parcel]

1 more truck probably

Once u researvh mechanized u cak replace truvks with mech in tank template

[misty wagon]

is 26 enough

alr

[hexed parcel]

Yes i think it gets better with more research idk

Spg is better than tank also

[misty wagon]

what country u think i should take first

should i take swizz

or go for austria

or idk

[hexed parcel]

Austria

[misty wagon]

is it smart to stage a coup near japan since they are attacking them also

so siberia

[hexed parcel]

Ok sure i

[misty wagon]

idk i just need soviets to just delete faction

[hexed parcel]

If ur coup reaches end of south and north siberia they can basically block the western army from reinforcing the eastern front against japan and if everything goes well japan and ur coup could encircle eastern army and kill em

[misty wagon]

sigh stability is 81

[hexed parcel]

True

I havent couped in so long

Cuz i never play vanila

[misty wagon]

im boosting non aligned

could that help in mybe making them go civ war?

[hexed parcel]

Yes cuz if non aligned support or any coup ideology is too low, the coup doesnt even ignite and ur rifles r wasted

[misty wagon]

how i fix this

[misty wagon]

??

[misty wagon]

how do i make more marines

[wild ember]

you dont have enough regular soldiers in ur army

personally i use unlimited special forces cap becuz its kinda annoying

[hexed parcel]

Wow that sounds op

[hollow linden]

Actual cheating, but not really since it's really easy to exploit

So it's fine

[mighty dagger]

Only way to do that is you spam more regular units or reduce the number of marines in ur template

[wild ember]

imagnie ur playing as the irish and you decide on marines only

[hexed parcel]

The cap is more fun for me cuz it gives variety and not all my inf r mountaineers

[hollow linden]

Cheating

[wild ember]

im not wasting rifles on regular battalions

[wild ember]

in a single player game?

[hollow linden]

Yeah.

Cheating is cheating

[mighty dagger]

It’s SP just do whatever the hell you want tbh

It’s your game

[hollow linden]

Using console and annexing all is Still cheating sp or not

[mighty dagger]

I’d be pissed af if someone did that in mp tho

[hollow linden]

Yea I'm not saying it's bad I just want you to know that it's cheating

[hollow linden]

No shit

[misty wagon]

uhm im confused

[hexed parcel]

The more army u have the bigger ur special forces cap is

[mighty dagger]

🥀🥀🥀

[hexed parcel]

Also if u go grand battleplan doctrine in the officer hat tab u can choose a tile choice idn what its called that increases special forces cap by 24 and gives em a lil buff

[mighty dagger]

Guys he’s cheating in a single player instance

Ban im

[wild ember]

dude

[mighty dagger]

!!!

[misty wagon]

is it worth switching

[hollow linden]

That's not what I'm saying but oh well

[hollow linden]

What