ask-for-help-here

[tropic seal]

for tanks go 36w

half tanks half mech

he probably means singeplayer right

@misty wagon do you have the dlc / are you playing sp

[oak mantle]

yeah i meant single player

😭

[tropic seal]

nah in sp you dont even need tanks

i havent produced tanks in like 5 playthroguhs

special forces are your tanks

[oak mantle]

i like to build tanks because i am the tank man

[tropic seal]

theyre cheaper work better

[tropic seal]

fair

[oak mantle]

4 machine guns adds-on with a medium howitizer

and call it a day in sp

[tropic seal]

lol the only tank i produce in sp is flame tanks

which barely counts

[oak mantle]

whats hard attack?

[tropic seal]

the enemy tanks are basically made of paper

so its allg

[oak mantle]

chinese bricks quality

[misty wagon]

im with a friend and he has all the DLC so yes

[misty wagon]

is there a ss for that idk what those r

[tropic seal]

oh youre in a mp game against ai? what country are you and him playing

[oak mantle]

let me guess

germany and italy

[misty wagon]

this is my inftantry

[misty wagon]

yes lol

[misty wagon]

holy shit

[tropic seal]

line art??

[oak mantle]

its a bit decent i would just cut down on combat width a bit

[tropic seal]

dont use line art

[oak mantle]

infantry are usually meant to holld frontline

[misty wagon]

?

what is lineart

[oak mantle]

you can make seperate infantry units for breakthroughs if you want to

[tropic seal]

swap out recon for aa

[tropic seal]

line artillery

dont use it

[oak mantle]

he meants artillery battalions

[tropic seal]

its not efficient or even that good

always have aa in your inf stuff

[oak mantle]

always build anti-tank in singleplayer trust

[tropic seal]

gives free soft attack on top of its aa

[misty wagon]

can u send a ss of infantry

[tropic seal]

🥀

[tropic seal]

literally what you have

but replace the recon with an aa support company

and remove the 2 artillery battlations

oh and make it 3x3

ah found one

this is your bread and butter

in sp they can even push lol

[oak mantle]

tip : dont research helicopters they do absolutely nothing useful

[tropic seal]

the ai is that terrible that these divs can push them

[oak mantle]

ai really doesnt change their standard divisions

[tropic seal]

but usually youd want to hold positions or move frontlines with these

[oak mantle]

they make different divisions every year for infantry and tanks as far as i know

[tropic seal]

that are all terrible 🥀

[misty wagon]

i have 40h so i aint holdiung shit ima just chargfe

[oak mantle]

they almost always have 9 infantry battalions too

[tropic seal]

i mean then use 36w infantry

but i prefer attacking with special forces

[sour mountain]

can anyone help why are there no supplies here

[oak mantle]

its more fun to force your enemy to go to scraping the barrel

[misty wagon]

is mine fine just remove the artilery

[oak mantle]

so you can kill of 25% of their population

[misty wagon]

what is that

[tropic seal]

cuz ur supply hub is still constructing isnt it

and di you change motorisation priority

[misty wagon]

idk what those r

[tropic seal]

conscription law

if u open q

your gov tab

top left circle

is ur conscription law

[sour mountain]

wait how do i do that agian]

[tropic seal]

scraping the barrel is the highest level of sconription law

[tropic seal]

? u mean make a suply hub?

[oak mantle]

only ai uses scraping the barrel brah

[tropic seal]

special forces are like infantry but better

they have a cap

[oak mantle]

if i want manpower that bad i know i've lost

[tropic seal]

so you acnt spam them out like normal infantry

[sour mountain]

i hate this

[tropic seal]

maybe on world conquest as a nation with not a lot of cores

[misty wagon]

the ai does scraping barel>?

[tropic seal]

lol this guy made the mistake of invading through canada

[sour mountain]

motortization priority

[tropic seal]

😭

[oak mantle]

jan mayen world conquest ahh

[tropic seal]

click on ur army

theres either a horse icon

2 trucks

or 3 trucks

[sour mountain]

i hate when they just become major

[tropic seal]

click on that icon till it becoems 3 trucks

[sour mountain]

LIKE I CAPITULATED BRITAIN AND THEY CALLED CANADA THE EXACT DAY THEY CAPITULATED

[tropic seal]

never invade america through canada

unless if u have a really good reason

they have ZERO supply

an their other vp

[sour mountain]

i need britain

[tropic seal]

is on the opposite coast

[tropic seal]

wdym is america in the war?

[tropic seal]

oh it aint

[sour mountain]

no

[tropic seal]

ight

well id still declare on america and just kill canda lol

[sour mountain]

i just hate how long it takes canada to cap

[sour mountain]

i will

[tropic seal]

you get a ton of factories and resouces from america anyway

[sour mountain]

after i kill canada

[tropic seal]

problem is theres negative supplies

in canada

[sour mountain]

tho the us is doing decent

[tropic seal]

as youve probably found out

[tropic seal]

the us is good cuz they have a ton of resources and factories

[misty wagon]

is this right for tanks?

[oak mantle]

us is a pretty boring nation to play through because almost every playthrough ooks the smae

[tropic seal]

no

never use cavalary

dont use support artillery in tank divs

dont use light tanks

i would use motorised instead of mech but thats a lesser priority

make it 36 width

[oak mantle]

b-b-but 1 cavarly brigade divisions...

[tropic seal]

mech instead of motorised*

[tropic seal]

for garrisoning

[hollow linden]

Uhhh, more tanks and more support. Don't use light tanks

[tropic seal]

oh i meant never use cav in an armored div

[oak mantle]

its fine to use motorized if you dont mechanized yet imo

[tropic seal]

ye

hats a second prioirty

[hollow linden]

No? Cav is literally better than motorised

[tropic seal]

just stall until youve built up then steamroll lol

[hollow linden]

It's way cheaper and performs about the same

[tropic seal]

what

oh

ive never used motorised

ive only rushed mech first

if i wanted to build tanks

oops

[celest shuttle]

@tropic sealthank u i dont buy dlc yet i will buy after i know how to play

[tropic seal]

🥀

[oak mantle]

i will still use my motorized

[tropic seal]

ight

[oak mantle]

brigades

[tropic seal]

i always use mech with tanks

[celest shuttle]

i play eu4 before

[hollow linden]

Sure whatever

[celest shuttle]

but this game is too different than i think

[misty wagon]

whats a good tanks div im confused

[sour mountain]

i hate invading canada cuz ITS SO BIG AND YET ONLY HAS LIKE 2 PROVINCE HOLDS

[jade tulip]

I have defeated france, allies faction will cease to exist when I take out england?

[tropic seal]

24 combat width is cooked though

[hollow linden]

As you should, but motorised just sucks

[hollow linden]

Yep

[tropic seal]

yeah fair

[hollow linden]

Unless USA is in the war

[tropic seal]

unless if usa joins

[misty wagon]

IDK HOW TO CHANGE IT IM CONFUSED

[tropic seal]

add more battlaions to increase combat width

take them away to decrease

[oak mantle]

every normal player playing historical germany in singe player should have capped uk before usa joins

[tropic seal]

i didnt manage to do that in my first 2 playthroughs

probably because i always focused russia first

[sour mountain]

for a wc are these usefull in nay way

[misty wagon]

DOES THIS work

[oak mantle]

i dont do world conquests because i value my mental health

[tropic seal]

no its still 24w and youre still using light tanks. dont use motorised recon

use ranger recon or armored recon

and you need way more support companies

[jade tulip]

ight, also how do I check when my war goal is cancelled because I waited too much time

[tropic seal]

1 support company is not enough for an armored div

[tropic seal]

if u have avaialble war goals

it appears on the top of ur scren

and if u hover over it

it should tell u until when its valid

[misty wagon]

rthis?

i hate this country omfg

[tropic seal]

research assault engineers instead of engineers and use them instead but engi works for now, swap out support artillery for support anti air

[scenic nacelle]

That’s boring

[jade tulip]

focus war goals dont have a limited time?

[scenic nacelle]

U can just battleplan the UK out of existence

[tropic seal]

i think most dont? correct me if im wrong

[tropic seal]

you can battleplan any ai enemy out of existence

[jade tulip]

yeah I dont see the icon available war goals, so I guess they dont

[tropic seal]

i would just suggest not to build tanks if youre really new

[oak mantle]

thats what basically everyone does in singlleplayer 😂

[tropic seal]

tanks arent even that useful in singeplayer

[hollow linden]

Usually if they're not for a claim and manually justified they disappear within 2 months if they are from a focus, not for claims, it's 2 years. If they are for a core or claim it's permanent

[tropic seal]

and theyre more micro than theyre worth if youre just getting familiarised with the game

in singeplayer inf can push just fine

its also easy to get your tanks encircled accidentally

if youre not careful

and then you lose a buncha equipment

[hollow linden]

Just battleplan your tanks 5head

[misty wagon]

these words are too hard

[tropic seal]

yeah but you can do that with inf with less requirements in production

[tropic seal]

basically ditch tanks

[misty wagon]

ima just try take yugo since i did greater italt

[tropic seal]

if youre now

new*

tanks are not needed in singeplayer especially if you arent sure how to micro them effectively

use infantry only

[oak mantle]

infantry suck use cmaels instead trust

[tropic seal]

by the way what does getting reinforce memed even mean

[oak mantle]

(dont use camels pls)

[tropic seal]

like i know the gist but not exactly how it works

[tropic seal]

the ai aint read for the 48 width cav division

[oak mantle]

i think its pushing out the enemy before divisions are able to come into battle

[tropic seal]

ah

ight

[oak mantle]

but idk

[tropic seal]

is that it lol

but how does that work

just outdamaging their recovery rate

?

[oak mantle]

reinforcate rate

no

[tropic seal]

aight

what

[oak mantle]

divisions have a chance to reinforce every hour

[hollow linden]

Camels have more HP than mech

[oak mantle]

by reinforce that means entering the battle to defend

[hollow linden]

Camels are unironically good

[oak mantle]

yeah but i dont think hp is that important

usually

[tropic seal]

WAHT

i never knew that

probably because ive never used camels

[hollow linden]

How it works is that reinforce rate is only a probability so if your enemy has low reinforce rate it is more likely that the battle ends before new units can join the battle from reserves

[tropic seal]

oh

ight lol

[oak mantle]

this is why we always research radio

[hollow linden]

HP is the most important stat in the game?

[tropic seal]

its useful for support companies anyway

[hollow linden]

You take less damage effectively

[tropic seal]

i thought it was breakthrough

[hollow linden]

More HP means less losses

[hollow linden]

How????

[jade tulip]

so how do I know how many divisions I need per province?

[oak mantle]

unless you're a minor country that isnt really important

[tropic seal]

whats the most important stat for offense?

[hollow linden]

It kinda is?

[tropic seal]

is it hard atk soft atk or breakthrough

im not sure

[jade tulip]

that 15.48 is Im assuming in total

[tropic seal]

one horse

thats it

[hollow linden]

If you keep getting clicked your tank stockpile will disappear in seconds if you're low hp

Hence why having a lot of tanks and no hp is bad

Because you will just lose more tanks

[jade tulip]

impossible that this will work

[hollow linden]

IC isn't infinite

[oak mantle]

if my tanks have low hp i know i've messed up

[tropic seal]

i always garrison with one horse lol

[oak mantle]

anyways

[hollow linden]

So it is important now?

[jade tulip]

and that horse division how many cav battalions has?

[oak mantle]

no

no one almost cares about hp in hoi4

[hollow linden]

Well you do with your tanks apparently

[tropic seal]

one

[hollow linden]

You just said as much

Lmao

[tropic seal]

one cav battalion no support companies

[vernal knoll]

best way to kill usa after taking down uk?

[tropic seal]

thats all you ned

[tropic seal]

invade through mexico

united mexican states shouldve joined the war if usa is in it

i think

in most playthroughs you have the domincan republic?

was it

as a launching point

[oak mantle]

no one usually cares about hp thats my point

[hollow linden]

Does that make it bad lol?

U said its not important

That's different from nobody cares

OK cool

Does that make hp useless

Most people just suck or don't understand the game

[oak mantle]

i think i maybe made some of my points unclear

[scenic nacelle]

Mexico just joins whatever faction the US is in

[oak mantle]

but calling hp the most important stat is crazy work

[scenic nacelle]

So yes?

[oak mantle]

im sorry but thats just not true

[tropic seal]

ah ight ive only ever played on historical so i didnt know that

[scenic nacelle]

Alt hist is goated

[oak mantle]

i play alt hist if i want my eyes to bleed

[scenic nacelle]

If Mexico goes communist they will declare on 5 majors at once and make a super allies in 38!!!

[vernal knoll]

well i was thinking about also Canada abd greenland

or cuba

[tropic seal]

nonono

do not go through canada

you will be stuck with 0 supply and freezing your bum off

[oak mantle]

just annex usa in the command console

🙄

[tropic seal]

lol

[vernal knoll]

better from Messico

?

[tropic seal]

going through mexico is way easier

[vernal knoll]

and cuba

[tropic seal]

yes

you actually have supply

[oak mantle]

till you watch usa invade mexico and puppet it

[vernal knoll]

alrigt

i will try

[tropic seal]

i tried the greenland canada route like twice

then i just ditched it

it was way too slow and painful

[oak mantle]

naval invade usa through new zealand

[vernal knoll]

i made 2 naval invasion at first time i was pushing but the del pushed me back so baf

[tropic seal]

never tried tha tbefore lol

[tropic seal]

use marines then

i usually just paratroop and then last stand them

i dont really naval invade stuff now

[hollow linden]

Usually invade Florida

[tropic seal]

ah i see

ive never tried that actually

ill do that next run

[hollow linden]

The problem with invading through Mexico is that you're very fat away from all the vps

[tropic seal]

yeah true

[hollow linden]

So even with collabs you gotta walk to new york

[tropic seal]

but canada is pretty terrible right

might just be a skill issue but i always found it to be so slow

[hollow linden]

So invading through Canada is usually just better because new England has like 50% of all vps

[tropic seal]

compared to like any other route

[tropic seal]

oh

[oak mantle]

canada is only good for rushing into new england and new york and holding it

[hollow linden]

Definitely skill issue

[tropic seal]

my bad 😭

i usually just battleplan through them if im going through the south

[hollow linden]

With collabs they cap when you take chicago

[oak mantle]

then getting the east coast

[tropic seal]

oh

i dont play with la resistance

that might be why

[hollow linden]

Do u not have it?

[tropic seal]

i do

i turned it off

[hollow linden]

Or do you choose not to

[tropic seal]

yes

[hollow linden]

Bruh

[tropic seal]

LMAO

[hollow linden]

It's like, mega important

[tropic seal]

i like slogging through the soviets

[oak mantle]

i dont like he spy agence in hoi4 tbh but i still use it

[tropic seal]

yeah i know it makes the game a lot easier

but like

idk

[hollow linden]

Just use it

[tropic seal]

aw man

[hollow linden]

U don't even have a good reason not to

[tropic seal]

i thats fair

i find it a bit fiddly

like its less straightforward than just run through the enemy

[oak mantle]

spy agency is a bit simple if you take time to actually use it

[tropic seal]

maybe ill give it another try

[oak mantle]

theres no really important missions other than rescue operatives and collab goverments

most of time

[hollow linden]

Stealing used to be good

[tropic seal]

but yeah without la resistance

[hollow linden]

Used to

[oak mantle]

i only used orchestrate coup once and that was for the railway from gibraltar to singapore achievement

[tropic seal]

the usa caps a lot slower

same with soviets

[oak mantle]

yeah thats why no normal players does it now

[hollow linden]

Theres like an insane scheme to get f2 from Romania for Hungary to then get e4 and cannon 2 for ger in like 1940

It's kinda crazy

And not even worth it

[tropic seal]

aint no way 😭

[hollow linden]

Because Air gamble Germany is highly discouraged

[tropic seal]

the allies usualyl end up fielding biplanes until like the mid 40s anyway

[oak mantle]

genuinely i almost always forget about airforce in hoi4

[tropic seal]

what

cas is so helpful

[hollow linden]

How 💀

[oak mantle]

even with 600 hours

[tropic seal]

the airforce is so good

[hollow linden]

Wdym even with 💀

[tropic seal]

i hate playing countries with no airforce

[oak mantle]

because i play singleplayer and ai sucks

[hollow linden]

That's nothing

Don't talk like u know bruh

[tropic seal]

with cas you can just punch through the enemy

even easier

like special force divs turn into tank divs with cas

[hollow linden]

A guy with 600 hours tryna tell me that hp is bad, get outta here bro

[oak mantle]

you would agree that 600 hours always uses airforce tho

[tropic seal]

dude even 100 hours

would always use airforce

[hollow linden]

What does that even mean

[oak mantle]

wel i forget so I SUCk!!!

[hollow linden]

Hours mean very little

[oak mantle]

but i still try my best to actually use a decent air force

[tropic seal]

you probably should

the enemy having air sup is not a fun experience

@hollow linden how do i save the adjusters btw

[oak mantle]

i mean when i use airforce i always do decent

[tropic seal]

it wont let me save adjusters

when i click off it it goes back to 10 weight

[tropic seal]

yeah cuz the airforce is really helpful

i rarely ever use navy

[oak mantle]

i know a good bit about navy but i almost always never use it

only as majors

[tropic seal]

even as majors

as germany i just

dont produce any more ships than what i start with in the prod queue

and it still works

[oak mantle]

submarines on always engage and patrol to waste ai's fuel

[tropic seal]

does that even work man

cuz the only time ive had to pull out my navy is against america

and they have like a lot of fuel

[oak mantle]

dont bother with the us

[hollow linden]

Wdym

Also Holy

[tropic seal]

is it bad

[oak mantle]

where do you think they got their oil obsession from

[hollow linden]

Air defense does Very little for cas

Since aa ignores it

[tropic seal]

usually its 10 weight until you select CAS mission in adjusters then it becomes 24 weight but once i click off it doesnt save the 24 weight

oh wait

i dont need to save it do i

that just tells me the stats itll have when assigned to that mission?

[hollow linden]

Yes

[tropic seal]

lol im so dumb thanks

i just figured that out

[tropic seal]

ah aight

i just stole the template from the pins

for this one

[hollow linden]

Ouch

[tropic seal]

so i just remove self sealing and armor plates

?

[hollow linden]

Use this

Without the strategic materials

[tropic seal]

whats the second slot on the bottom row

is that what u mean by strategic materials

[wintry oxide]

hey, what am I doing wrong with supplies? My army is all out of it

[tropic seal]

your supply hub

is over capacity

did you change your army motorisation priority?

[wintry oxide]

I did

[tropic seal]

this is africa right

central africa has like

zero supply

[wintry oxide]

doesnt it come from my capital?

[tropic seal]

i never really push through central africa

[tropic seal]

yes it does but i meant no infrastructure supply hubs railways etc

regional supply developmen matters a lot

[wintry oxide]

but I have some railways 😄

i see

not a lot of infra

[tropic seal]

railways increase supply level i think?

they dont actually bring supplies

along the railsways

dont quote me on tha tthough

[wintry oxide]

but like from my understanding those ports should bring in a lot of supplies?

[tropic seal]

your top 2 ports also have like no railway connection

[tropic seal]

the supplies they bring in doesnt matter iof they cant transport it to the battlefield

[wintry oxide]

Im not seeing that 😄

[hollow linden]

That doesn't fix the throughput issue. Motorisation just fixes range

[tropic seal]

ah yeah fair

[tropic seal]

wdym

like

they have a railway extending east

that

doesnt go anywhere

they just meet up

[hollow linden]

Yea no rail connections, no lvl5 rails and you're getting convoy raided

[tropic seal]

and you have like a railway connection between 5 rails

that

doesnt lead to a hub

it just exists

[tropic seal]

you also have railway snaking up that also doesnt lead to anything

[tropic seal]

actually you have a ton of railways that lead nowhere

[hollow linden]

Also, you do have like 40 divs on a tile so maybe pull some out

[wintry oxide]

ohh

[tropic seal]

41 and 48 divs on a tile

😭

[wintry oxide]

and they have to lead to a supply hub

[wintry oxide]

I was getting to that

[tropic seal]

aight

[tropic seal]

yes

[wintry oxide]

also it's just not zoomed in enough, I dont have that many on most of tiles 😄

[tropic seal]

ah aight fair

[next oxide]

Hewwo everyone ! Im trying to form the chinese empire as one of the warlords, and i would like to know how do i deal with the chinese united front and the war with japan if it goes historical. Thanks for any advice you may have !! (i have all the dlcs and ncns)

[jade tulip]

where do I research paratroopers? I cant find them anywhere

nevermind, I forgot to scroll

[whole dust]

I dont know what I am doing wrong but I use up way more fuel than I produce. I already built tons of refineries and researched for buffs. It's just 1939 it can't be that my army is too motorized, can it??

[light knoll]

you're supposed to be importing fuel

refineries won't be enough

its not because your supply is motorized no

[whole dust]

How much? I just imported 109 units from the Soviets and its still falling

[light knoll]

well

first of all

stop using motorized units

they're just bad stats

regardless of fuel

[whole dust]

They are awesome

[light knoll]

they're bad

[whole dust]

How? I just replace them with mech. once I got enough produced after 39

[jade tulip]

is there a way to attack england neither through planes and ships?

[light knoll]

mech isn't good as standalone either

in sp mech is only really for tanks divisions

just use normal infantry

[whole dust]

Idk, maybe you are right but these help me alot to support tank breakthroughs

[whole dust]

They are so slow though?

[glacial steeple]

dont overextent?

you dont need to move 20 tiles in and out of supply usually

[inner sparrow]

yeah ur not cooking with this one

[glacial steeple]

10 support slots and still not using the best supports

[whole dust]

I just googled for templates and army guides and those were the first results 🥲

[inner sparrow]

yeah google is not the place to find good templates and guides

its rather the opposite

[whole dust]

What are good templates? I thought you need to be fast as Germany because of the consumer goods

infantry is so slow

[red mesa]

division speed won't make or break the economy of conquest lmao

besides if you're worried about tanks getting isolated just hit B and strat redeploy units into the gaps

[whole dust]

Can someone give me a good infantry template then?

[ember wolf]

How do i fully control a city (moscow in this case)

[glacial steeple]

you gotta control all state tiles

[inner sparrow]

look at pinned

but any pure 16w inf is good

[green nebula]

hey guys, can someone tell me what i need to do with italy to get that absurdly high non core manpower?

[stuck garnet]

if im a minor should i make light tanks?

[oak jasper]

"Support unit research speed" means support companies, right? That would seem like the no-brainer choice for materiel designer.

[fierce citrus]

Is there some ideal ratio of support and repair ships for naval task forces?

I'm at a loss for what to do with these

Do I assign them as their own task force to a fleet, or do I attach them directly to the surface ship task forces?

[glacial steeple]

no

lights are bad

[tepid umbra]

That's what you think...

[stuck garnet]

:(

darn

but cheap

im sure theyre good enough

[tepid umbra]

Iirc you attach them when they need repair, but not constantly

[tepid umbra]

They're cheap cuz they kinda suck

If you can't afford normal tanks you don't need tanks

[austere roost]

Not really, unless you just want light spgs but even those need to be transitioned into medium spgs

Light spgs are still better than line artillery

[glacial steeple]

light spgs/light tds are a bit cheaper, normal light tanks are like more expensive for worse stats

and even then, bad stats

[west knot]

I can’t really look right now but I’m I use great was and desperate recruitment or something like that I tend to lean towards the aggressive ones

[tepid umbra]

Oh i wouldn't recommend great war inf

[west knot]

Alternative?

[tepid umbra]

Individual excellence

[glacial steeple]

thats NCNS locked

[tepid umbra]

Isn't great war inf ncns locked too

[austere roost]

Large unit tactics if no dlc

[glacial steeple]

no

[tepid umbra]

Isn't assault inf better?

[stuck garnet]

i mean

20% for all inf with the support infantry is crazy

[austere roost]

Assault is in base game?

[stuck garnet]

support arty*

[tepid umbra]

Yes

I believe

[austere roost]

Oh shit I never read

[tepid umbra]

From what i've seen of screenshots here

[austere roost]

I need to check the next time I open the game

[stuck garnet]

idk i want lts because im too lazy to like do all that shiz with meds

i dont wanna make good tankss i wanna make tanks that work

"Oh but speed isnt a real stat" -Kaiser wilhelm II and woodrow wilson or wtv

[austere roost]

Speed isn't important post nsb

Your supply can't catch up

[stuck garnet]

fair

idk im fighting against the ai so i can probably get away with using lights

[austere roost]

You can get away with line artillery

[stuck garnet]

even then its not like i plan on using lights that long

[west knot]

I play vanilla

[distant robin]

Hello, anyone know a decent naval plan for the Baltic sea as the USSR? Specifically using the limited dockyards you have to make something meaningful

[tardy mesa]

its june 13 i just capitulated ethiopia but i didnt get the conference screen

is this like a bug cuz im on historical and they normally dont have that one focus yet

[glacial steeple]

june they probably are in exile

it takes 105 days for ai to do it iirc

earliest you can is 70 tho

from what i remember

[tardy mesa]

so like was i just too slow

[scenic nacelle]

Subs?

Ig raid the the convoy route between Sweden and Germany?

[austere roost]

you're just in a perma war status and can only get out by capping the allies

[distant robin]

I remember seeing in some vids Soviet players making a weird anti Air cruiser and in others just a quality surface fleet

[tardy mesa]

theyre not called in it keeps happening and im literally stuck every time i restart

this is the first time ive had trouble with this

[brazen turret]

so i havent played in forever but im using the paradox launcher to get mods but i COMPLETLY forgot how to get mods on the launcher using the hoi4 website

[austere roost]

yes because ethiopia can't call in everyone else

it's what happenes when you cap ethiopia too late

you have to wait until ww2 to cap the allies

[tardy mesa]

how am i supposed to do it faster when im just limited by how fast my army runs ethiopia gets pushed in so easily when you just have cas i dont know how i would be able to do it faster when its already green everywhere

[austere roost]

send your european troops down to help push

also manually attack

exploit the gaps and push in from there

[tardy mesa]

i do that

im not new to the game

like i said this is the first time ive gotten stuck on this

ive already played italy atleast like 10-15 times

[brazen turret]

any1 of yall know how to add mods to the paradox launcher?

[tardy mesa]

go on the paradox website

and subscribe to the mods there

[brazen turret]

i might be stupid

[tardy mesa]

then just log into your paradox account in the launcher

[brazen turret]

i think im using the wrong acc

i am._.

im very smart

[oak jasper]

Do people tend to prefer light or medium SPGs+SPAAGs? I'm leaning towards light support armor tech (note: I don't have the tank designer DLC)

[tepid umbra]

Or use steam workshop

[tepid umbra]

No clue without it

I think without it, regular tanks might be better

[oak jasper]

With? I'll probably eventually get those DLCs anyways.

[tepid umbra]

With it, for single player, medium sp artillery is the best

[brazen turret]

i figured it out 😭 managed to log into the account i originally forgot the password off....

[tepid umbra]

In multiplayer it's usually heavy tank destroyers

[austere roost]

spaas aren't for maximizing aa, it's for giving aa and armor at the same time

[oak jasper]

(Without, SPGs don't give the same breakthrough as med tanks, but man the soft attack on SPGs)

[tepid umbra]

Even with they don't really

[austere roost]

and you should use meds if you don't have nsb, the light stats are even worse when you don't have the designer

[tepid umbra]

But against ai soft attack is amazing

[tepid umbra]

Oh yeah this i know

[oak jasper]

I usually just throw in one SPAAG battalion so I don't have to spend a support company on support AA. I've previously run a mix of 4x med tanks, 8x motor/mech inf, 2x light SPG, 1x light SPAAG.

[austere roost]

that's 30 length?

[oak jasper]

(I've heard conflicting info on how useful 30W armor divisions are)

[austere roost]

also just pick one, tank or spg

[tepid umbra]

36

Roughly

[austere roost]

conflicting as in 4 years ago people said use 30 and now people say use 36

[tepid umbra]

Wasn't the old meta to use a mix of both?

[tepid umbra]

Some ppl still say 30 tho

[austere roost]

spgs and tds are meta now because they cost less to equip and get both artillery and armor subdoctrine bonuses

[tepid umbra]

Cuz their info is outdated

[glacial steeple]

reddit

[austere roost]

some ppl still say the earth is flat

[austere roost]

i never used spgs before, so I can't tell

[tepid umbra]

I only recently started playing so i wouldn't know either

[oak jasper]

That has been my approach. light SPGs to boost soft attack to stratospheric levels, med tanks to get a stupid amount of breakthrough and a reasonable amount of hard attack.

[tepid umbra]

Hard attack isn't really needed that much

Ai divs very rarely go over 50% hardness

[austere roost]

A stupid amount of breakthrough is stupid

Breakthrough only matters insofar the enemy's attack

[tepid umbra]

Ai divs like never get high attack 💔

[austere roost]

And why do you need hard attack against base AI?

They don't produce enough tanks to make it valuable

[oak jasper]

Insofar as the enemy's attack... what? Does this mean "breakthrough > enemy attack is wasted"?

[tepid umbra]

Breakthrough is defense for attacking

[oak jasper]

I'm aware?

[tepid umbra]

What's the point of having way more defense than they have attack

[austere roost]

Yes most of the breakthrough over attack is wasted

[oak jasper]

Why is that wasted? Do you just not get any benefit from breakthrough > enemy attack?

[austere roost]

You only need that many free attacks

[tepid umbra]

Basically

There's some numbers to it i don't remember but that's basically the reason

[austere roost]

My SPG divisions have 800 soft attack when I attack Germany as ussr. How many free atks do I need to melt the german Frontline?

[tepid umbra]

Only 800? 🥶

[austere roost]

Yeah cuz they're just lvl2 howitzer and nothing else, I build 120 of them and fill the frontline

[oak jasper]

Mkay. That would militate towards more SPGs, fewer tanks, especially once I'm able to switch from motor to mech infantry.

[austere roost]

Tbh maybe I should squeeze in heavy machine guns

[tepid umbra]

Can't lvl 2 howitzer still get more

[tepid umbra]

Yeah obv 💔

[austere roost]

And even before ncns, you should put howitzers for your tanks in sp

[tepid umbra]

✅

[scenic salmon]

Is there bugs with Hoi4 going non historial routes in historical mode? Just had several matches as greece where turkey, romania and yugoslavia formed the balkan entente

[austere roost]

It's like 75 soft attack and I put 10 of them in my divisions

[topaz yew]

this has beeen an awful experience, why is it so unbelievvably hard to take odessa

[vivid cairn]

Is there a method to constantly sealion as germany with navy after capping the allies? In 1939 -1940

[glacial steeple]

its not a bug

ai goes ahist when other nations go ahist on hist

[tepid umbra]

Yes

[topaz yew]

a third of my tanks lostt mann

[vivid cairn]

How

[tepid umbra]

Light cruisers, naval bombers

[scenic salmon]

really? i never saw them form it b4 till now

[tepid umbra]

It completely decimates tge navy

And then you can use tanks or sumn to land

[oak jasper]

I found that one out going for democratic Germany. Turns out that when you flip the biggest source of warmongering to democracy, something has to happen to keep the game interesting.

[topaz yew]

how do you push in areas wwith not much supply? because spgs seem way innefectivve

[tepid umbra]

Special forces

[vivid cairn]

Ok so should i make a deathstack and set it to patrol?

[tepid umbra]

Or get supply

[tepid umbra]

Yeah

[austere roost]

Flame tanks and engineers

[vivid cairn]

Ok thx mate

[topaz yew]

does that require building a supply hub?

[tepid umbra]

And get naval bombers to decimate the british navy if you want

[topaz yew]

itd seemsilly to build a supply hub on the tile next to a supply hub

[vivid cairn]

Ok thank you very much

[tepid umbra]

Supply planes should work too

[oak jasper]

Build supply hubs, mechanize supply hubs, use divisions which aren't as supply hungry? Arty is fantastic until it runs more than three tiles from a supply hub.

[tepid umbra]

In that case pull out a bit

[topaz yew]

oh thats new

[fast bear]

how do i choose a grand doctrine ?
like which ones are the best?

[tepid umbra]

If a supply hub doesn't give enough supply you have too many divs on the front

[tepid umbra]

Grand battleplan

[topaz yew]

ill try pushing with my mountaineers then thanks

[tepid umbra]

Or sometimes superior firepower

[fast bear]

and for air and navy?

[topaz yew]

no as in next to the odessa supply hub

[fast bear]

when?

[tepid umbra]

Man idk

[tepid umbra]

When you don't feel like using planning

[topaz yew]

how does pulling out help take it?

[tepid umbra]

Divs eat supply

More divs on a front means less supply

Bc of combat width, divs often aren't fighting

[topaz yew]

will using a couple mountaineers help take the city tile?

[tepid umbra]

Which shouldn't be often

[tepid umbra]

Prolly?

[oak jasper]

AFAICT, there are at least two additional issues:

1. Railroads and naval ports can only handle so much throughput, even when fully upgraded.
2. Only so much supply can be provided to a single tile, even if that tile is a supply hub. You need to spread doomstacks out a bit.

[austere roost]

Tbh with air you can just pick whichever gives the best buff in the first stage because you'll never get to max mastery

[tepid umbra]

Unless you build medium and heavy planes lol

[austere roost]

And for navy it's similar

[tepid umbra]

That more depends

[austere roost]

Ofc for navy you should choose base strike

[tepid umbra]

On what build you're doing

[austere roost]

And the carrier sub doctrines that adds sortie efficiency

With enough sortie efficiency you can have 9 carriers in the same battle iirc

[tepid umbra]

Or you can have 100 light cruisers instead 🔥

[austere roost]

Or you can just build 4 max deck carriers and roach bbs and dds

Which costs much less to build

[tepid umbra]

Or you can have 50000 sub 3s and starve your enemy

[topaz yew]

damn the mountaineers arnt working

yeah i really dont know how to take this tile

i think its one im meant to take because its a supply hub

[gray rock]

can someone help me i want to send ships to the part of the ocean between s. america and africa to patrol but it doesnt let me and it has red stripes over it idk how to fix it

[topaz yew]

are you meant to give up on d ifficult tiles and go to like idk the baltics

[oak jasper]

You're going to need to change that fleet's home base. Do you have a port in the region they can use as home base?

[tepid umbra]

Encircle it maybe

[gray rock]

i have ports but how do i change the home base

[tepid umbra]

Ctrl click a port

[austere roost]

Get supply there

Also how do you have so many divisions

[oak jasper]

There should also be a button with the name of their current home port, e.g. "Wilhelmshaven". You can manually set your port from a list there. You can also assign them some regions to operate in, click the gear icon to the immediate left of that, and it'll automatically decide which home port is "best" (or at least most central to those regions)

[austere roost]

How many manpower is on the battlefield?

[gray rock]

alr thanks

[austere roost]

And you need to improve your industry, 247 in 1942 is kind of low

[topaz yew]

by taking tiraspoll? maybe, but again t he supply problems would make it not possible topushpast the river

[topaz yew]

howdo you get supply somewhere? is it just planes

[austere roost]

Try attacking the tile next to Balta where you can attack on three sides

And you can use that to attack Balta

[topaz yew]

that was my other goal but it wasnt going vvery well either

[austere roost]

But with so many divisions you're bound to be in supply issues

Did you max out your railway system?

[topaz yew]

yeah, i was told to go for more than 2 army groups but now im regretting it

[tepid umbra]

Supply hubs, upgrading bottlenecks, less divs

[tepid umbra]

More than 2 yeah

[topaz yew]

building supply hubs next to others?

[tepid umbra]

But not all on front

[tepid umbra]

Idk man

[topaz yew]

it cant be feasible to build hubs on every tile

[tepid umbra]

Prolly not

[tepid umbra]

You have 12 divs on one tile

[topaz yew]

oh really? i havnt heard of that

[tepid umbra]

Ofc you have supply hubs

[oak jasper]

One alternative: a level 1 naval base costs just 5000 IPC, not 20k like a land supply hub.

[tepid umbra]

Imagine if you had 300k people living in one place vs 30k

How much more supply would it take

[oak jasper]

(And, also, try not having 12 divs on a single tile far from your current supply)

[topaz yew]

ooh maybe

[topaz yew]

i cant really move them because theyre attacking

[oak jasper]

Then halt them and move half of them out.

[topaz yew]

so i should have less army groups?

[topaz yew]

i mean they are attacking me

[tepid umbra]

On one front, yeah

[topaz yew]

i only have 1 front

[tepid umbra]

Retreat them then

[tepid umbra]

So pull out

[topaz yew]

can you retreat when youre getting attacked?

[tepid umbra]

Put some guys behind like a river incase you get pushed

[tepid umbra]

Yes

You have to force retreat them

Manually

[topaz yew]

ohh okaythanks

[austere roost]

You need to start asking yourself why not convert the third army group to an elite shock troop force of mountaineers or armor divisions and use them to attack the enemy weak points

[topaz yew]

will it be best to take the forest tiles first?

[austere roost]

What's the point of wasting manpower on a third army group of inf when two groups are usually enough

First of all you need to fix the line

You're leaving parts unguarded

[topaz yew]

i was told it waws best to use more than 2 army groups, i have i think the maximumnumber ofmountaineers, and i havve armour

[austere roost]

I only put one army group since I can get 120 SPG divisions

[topaz yew]

where? i was told to pull out of the loww supply area

[austere roost]

Your line doesn't cover the border

[topaz yew]

im at 10

[tepid umbra]

Get more mountaineers

[tepid umbra]

Yikes

[topaz yew]

sorry i dont really get what you mean

[austere roost]

Look at your own border

[tepid umbra]

There are parts of the line with no divisions

[austere roost]

Your front line doesn't cover it

[topaz yew]

qwhere?

[austere roost]

Can you not see that?

[topaz yew]

apart from where im puling out of

[austere roost]

So you're going to the Germans take nikolayev?

[tepid umbra]

I didn't mean fully pull out

[topaz yew]

still 1.6k in deficit

[austere roost]

Like idk why you don't cover it

[tepid umbra]

I meant take out most of your divs

But leave like 3

[topaz yew]

ah

[tepid umbra]

How many mils do you have on tanks

[topaz yew]

i thought it was a lost cause

[tepid umbra]

I said like 5 times you can push with supply

And to pull some divs out for less supply usage

[topaz yew]

16, set 25 waitingfor more mills

[tepid umbra]

Get like

40

[topaz yew]

would i get supply there if i took divisions out? i thought it was too far away to regen supply

[gray rock]

can i use docks of other countries as home bases if i have docking rights?

[tepid umbra]

Yes

How close was your supply hub

[topaz yew]

ill t ry taking it off inf equipment

[tepid umbra]

Yes

[tepid umbra]

How many do you have on inf equip

[topaz yew]

21 mills on inf equip now, 40 on tanks

[tepid umbra]

21 is still quite a bit tbh

But it's fine

[tepid umbra]

You have a port like 3 tiles away

I think

[topaz yew]

really'? i had 40 on inf equipment andi had 100k deficit for years

[tepid umbra]

I wonder why

It's cuz you have 3 army groups of inf

[austere roost]

Yeah cuz you keep pushing with them

[austere roost]

Ofc you're losing inf equipment

[topaz yew]

when have i pushed with inf?

i dont do that cuz i have a couple spgs

[topaz yew]

so only go with 2 army groups of inf

[tepid umbra]

Yes pull out a bit

[austere roost]

So you still haven't put a line on nikolayev

[topaz yew]

hub?

[tepid umbra]

Maybe even less

[topaz yew]

wouldnt i get pushedin the north by thegermans?

[austere roost]

Even without a hub you're leaving a gap

Ok then don't defend nikolayev

[topaz yew]

a gap?

[austere roost]

Watch the Germans march through it, then march to Stalingrad, then march to moscow

[topaz yew]

thats a sea

[austere roost]

You're not defending the route to it

[topaz yew]

ohhh is that what you meant earlier?

[austere roost]

Ofc

How can you miss it?

Why aren't you putting the line there?

[topaz yew]

i am very confusedf

what is a line

i cant extent the front line there

[sly night]

fall back line (C)

[austere roost]

Ok I give up

[topaz yew]

ohh fallback line not frontline?

[sly night]

yes

[topaz yew]

ah okaythanks

should i not defendd nikolayevbecause theres no border there?

[whole dust]

Is this a good tank template for 1938-1939?

[topaz yew]

you know they cant reach nikolayevv right?

[austere roost]

36 width, also spgs and TDs are better

[sly night]

btw pull back to the city tile next to the river so you can do a mouse trap with the ai

very efficient

[whole dust]

How do I get more width?

[topaz yew]

krivoy?

[sly night]

put more things in the template like tanks or motorized

[sly night]

further

dni something something

its all plains tiles so you should breach them

[austere roost]

Can the Germans reach these two tiles?

[topaz yew]

oh really? i just did an encirclement of that area, do you mean let them fillit up and encircle it again?

[sly night]

yes

[austere roost]

By putting more battalions in ofc

[topaz yew]

they can reach the leftmost one because i wwaws pulling out of the no supply zone, they cant reach the rightmost one because there are divvisions there

[topaz yew]

okay will do thanks

[topaz yew]

is there a way to draw a frontline not on a border?

like if i wwanted to draw it along that rivver to defend the rightmost x

[austere roost]

Yes but those divisions will move elsewhere because there's no line there

[austere roost]

No, has to be fallback line then

[topaz yew]

ah i see what you mean then, thanks

[whole dust]

SPGs use howitzers, right? Since my standard tanks already just have howitzers

Do I still need to make a SPG unit or is my tank design wrong and I should use cannons?

[verbal moth]

why cant i move my navy in this battle? I keep right clicking it but nothing happens

[austere roost]

Go check how much equipment you need for every SPG and tank battalion

And spgs can get both artillery and armor subdoctrine (if you select the correct ones) bonuses

[whole dust]

How about this one now?

[fathom thistle]

if its singleplayer replace all mediums with spgs. Stick to cavarly instead of motorized if you dont have mechanized

[whole dust]

What about my infantry templates?

Are they fine like that?

[austere roost]

If you can't supply trucks/mechs just use inf

[austere roost]

We really need a pin that says don't put line artillery

[whole dust]

😅

Are they that bad?

[austere roost]

Yes

[whole dust]

Why? Dont they boost soft attack

[austere roost]

Ok maybe we need to add a video to the pin

https://youtu.be/qYmklEwTh6k?si=P1vWYhFe0QpNV5pH

If you don't want to look at a video, just find 42 rifle stats and 42 art stats and compare atk/cost

Then realize that artillery have terrain debuffs and less buffs

[fathom thistle]

If you want to have offensive inf go 36w, line artyillery is not worth it most of the time so just make full inf

[fathom thistle]

they decrease your org a lot and if you are going for offensive infantry u dont want to have 30 org like tanks divs have. I usually aim for 50 at least

You could make it durable if you are using special forces since they get organazation bonus but I wouldnt recommend more than 2 line arty for that anyway

[whole dust]

Okay

[tribal fox]

Are infantry/tank divisions worth making? That is, leg infantry with heavy tanks as opposed to medium tanks with motorized/mechanized.

[jade tulip]

in this situation, do I need 21 cavalry divisions for each province (where the numbers are shown) to get the resistance down?

[tepid umbra]

No

[lapis pasture]

yup

[stuck garnet]

is that collapsing world rise of radicalism?

[glacial steeple]

we have that

[glacial steeple]

20??

thats crazy whats your garrison div

also dont use mil governor

[glacial steeple]

its per country but this is what the best garrison div looks like in usage

[fathom thistle]

Are aa stacked battleships enough to defend my ships from enemy planes if I dont have air supremacy?

Like lets say I wouldnt have any planes

[glacial steeple]

i mean the ships will get damaged

should work for a bit

[fathom thistle]

hmm alright

[tawny meadow]

hi so just a simple question but which constructions share the building slot cap? And are stuff like forts and airbases excluded from that or is there like any negative effect to having a too high level building, do they take up more space or is it only resources?

[austere roost]

yes, but with medium spgs

inf with one armor is a space marine

and then you can add more spgs to add soft atk

and then you can replace inf with mechs

[misty wagon]

guys how much is the germany dlc?

[neat widget]

21 for all of poland

and it's automatically deducted

so don't worry unless you're running out of equipment or manpower

[austere roost]

also poland will be hard to get resistance down if it's in allies because of gov in exile

[neat widget]

Yeah that too

Typically Germany has to put 1-2 collaboration governments into Poland to stop this, if they have La Resistance DLC

[austere roost]

or just sealion in 1940

[sand ember]

Idk man check steam

[misty wagon]

20 bucks wtf 😭

[sand ember]

Welcome to paradox games
See if you can find it on sale

[stuck garnet]

?

[glacial steeple]

0.04 per state

[stuck garnet]

I wanna "erm acksually you"

[sour mountain]

can i free my puppet so i can go to war with them

pls tell quick

[fathom thistle]

U can it will take years tho usually

[radiant crypt]

i wanna to learn the game better... have suggestions of videos or guides ?

[modern osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb9536VncuI

[unique tundra]

hey is there a way to make hoi4 use more than 1 core

to make my game run faster

[oak jasper]

That's where I got advice like "30W armor divisions" from, so it might be slightly out-of-date?

[neat widget]

There's a reason why Bitt3rSteel recommended 30w armor divisions and we don't, and it has to do with terrain and reliability

Most of the tanks we suggest here are lower reliability higher stat tanks, maximizing soft attack, hard attack, and breakthrough for maximal effect in low-attrition terrains

This is not what mainstream youtubers suggested back when the video was made

Mountains and marshes are 50 width terrain, and since you can overfill by 1.33 times, this means the maximal combat width that is remotely effective is 33.25

Presumably Bittersteel is making 30 width divisions because he intends to fight a lot in these terrains, but in general we try to avoid them and areas where you use tanks the most, like Barbarossa, don't have a lot of mountains and marshes

Thus why our recommendation is 38 width

[oak jasper]

(His stated justification was "30W fits wonderfully into 60W forests")

[neat widget]

30 width does have maximal offensive stats in forests but with 30 width you lose more equipment that way, which leads to your offensives having to rest and refit

[pliant condor]

and wonderfully fails in 70w

[neat widget]

also that

but it isn't as bad as going 40w and above

[pliant condor]

if the whole world is forest you would use 30w

but it's not

[neat widget]

Actually no it shouldn't be that bad, you're able to fit 3 divisions in 70w terrain and thus the combat width penalties are not that severe

[pliant condor]

well fitting 3 is bad

[neat widget]

how so

[pliant condor]

both in stat and penalty

it's like using a 26w tank

and 90/70 >> 72/60

[neat widget]

yeah that much is true

[neat widget]

Also, didn't he say something about maximizing stats in forests because your stats in plains are good already? Well, can't have too many stats in plains, but back when there were no assault engineers + he didn't recommend flame tanks performance in forests would have been really bad

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Default reich cav, but with whatever support companies it had deleted

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His division in video has a 22% penalty to forest combat, and on top of 15% penalty from the terrain type the tank division only operates at 100 - 22 - 15 = 63% effectiveness in forests

By contrast our modern tank divisions would have a 24.7% penalty without these support companies, but these support companies add 20% back, so we're at 80.3% effectiveness

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this was the video where Bittersteel recommended an offensive 9/4 mech division DO NOT use that template

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Also nowadays your tank division has way more stats, often going up to 1100 soft attack, so yeah that's not a luxury that bittersteel had

Also yeah don't do the 9/4 template either

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I think the video in general, could have been a bit better imao. The video was mainly misinformation.

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even worse, it originates from this template

And you still see so many players using similar templates

Essentially what I'm trying to say is that Bittersteel's tanks hit like wet paper in forests, thus why he wanted to buff them as much as possible there instead of plains where they do passably

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he also did a 8/3 25W mountaineer which is also based on more misinformation.

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Yeah that too

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Wait he put a Sturmtropper battalion in his mountaineers!? The one support company, Germany only has.

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RIP

[sour mountain]

i have a disaster save

early stage

can anyone help

?

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is this in a guide lol

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Yes

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maybe

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Bittersteel from 2024 I believe

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Yeah?

[sour mountain]

can you come in vc?
its prob gonna take long

im halfaway to capping

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its very cheap!

a bit cheaper than the czech buff light tank

wait this is without buff nvm

pretty sure this is even with japan debuff

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Real

Except for the fact that breakthrough may be a bit too low

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so this was a lie

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But yeah that's cheap

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i wpuldnt call this early stage 😭

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In either case, as long as you are able to transfer your troops to Italy you should be safe

You just need to spam divisions and hold until you can get better ones there