ask-for-help-here

[tropic seal]

especially since your western front isnt on a timer

[stark imp]

yeah, i will reorder my army

[tropic seal]

hold until youve reorganised yeah

and gotten fuel

did you go peg or 4 year plan?

[stark imp]

?

i started 1939

[tropic seal]

like in the economy area

[stark imp]

hold up

[tropic seal]

you get a choice between prioritising economic growth or 4 year plan

[coarse finch]

The game chooses for you if you use the 39 start

[indigo sapphire]

should i take over also finland and sweden as Estonia?

[tropic seal]

ohh wait my bad

yeah i see

[indigo sapphire]

answer

[tropic seal]

did you cap norway? no weserubung

[tropic seal]

its all up to you

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[stark imp]

also if you think im remotely skilled remember that i just lost 12 tank divisions

[tropic seal]

that happens to everyone

[stark imp]

they were the good ones too]

i will deal with this then reasses

[tropic seal]

yes thats good

if you want to hold whiel reorganising fall back to a riverline

itll save you a lot of casualties

[indigo sapphire]

how many planes/aircraft should i build and produce against USSR?

[tropic seal]

as much as you can without compromising your army's supply

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

the ussr has a ton of air debuffs but they can still throw out a decent amount of planes

[indigo sapphire]

alr thx potato

im asking these becus im mostly a estonia player

[tropic seal]

yeah thats fair

[indigo sapphire]

im still new to hoi4

[tropic seal]

ive never played estonia though so my advice is probably not that accurate

[indigo sapphire]

alr

np

do i need convoys aswell as Estonia?

or a good navy?

to defend against ussr naval invasions

[tropic seal]

i dont think you have the ic to afford a navy

probably just a few convoys for trade

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[indigo sapphire]

how many is a few?

[tropic seal]

however many starting dockyards you have and put them all on convoys

i would focus on mils

[glacial steeple]

opiums good but you gotta do politixs and army trees first

[indigo sapphire]

OH alr

thx

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[glacial steeple]

thats awesome

[indigo sapphire]

so only produce infantry equipment and guns @tropic seal

[tropic seal]

no

you need more than that

[glacial steeple]

no that part sucks but anyone being able to invade without teching is good

[tropic seal]

you need trucks and trains and whatever support companies you have in the army

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

artillery and aa probably

[indigo sapphire]

alr

@tropic seal what Combat width should i go for infantry divs

[wanton salmon]

how does one not get screwed over by supply?

atp im just going to build a supply hub in every single province

[tropic seal]

18w for holding divs 36w for pushing divs

im assuming as estonia that youre not going to be fielding a huge tank force

so you might need to push with inf

[tropic seal]

did you set motorisation priority to triple truck?

on all your armies?

[indigo sapphire]

alr

what about cavalry

for like garrisson

and supression

[tropic seal]

one horse

thats all you need for garrison

[indigo sapphire]

alr

thx

[tropic seal]

no support companies nothing else

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[wanton salmon]

whazzat?

oh found it

[indigo sapphire]

@tropic seal what about attack and cas planes and aircraft?

[wanton salmon]

didnt change anything

[tropic seal]

second priority. you have the dlc to edi tplanes right

[indigo sapphire]

yes i do

[tropic seal]

did it not? it shouldve helped supply by a lot. can you send a ss of the supply map

[tropic seal]

yeah copy the template for fighters and cas from this channel's pins

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

but theyre a secondary priority if you dont have the ic to afford them

[indigo sapphire]

alr

what else to produce build? @tropic seal

so i can defend

[tropic seal]

all you need to produce for defense is just inf support equipment aa artillery trucks trains

thats all the 18w defense inf template needs to function

if you want to go on the offense then youll need stuff like flame tanks

[indigo sapphire]

alr thx

yo

potato

@tropic seal what else should i prioritise

like should i build land and naval forts on my ussr borders

[tropic seal]

dont bother with forts

spam out mils

[indigo sapphire]

alr

how many mils

gib a number

[tropic seal]

as much as you can

until you hit building limit

make civillian factories until like late 1937

or early 1938

then only mil

[indigo sapphire]

i do have a mod that removes the building slots btw

[tropic seal]

oh

then im not sure lol

probably same thing

spam them out

[indigo sapphire]

alr

i can spam out like 1k of ALL of em

[indigo sapphire]

@tropic seal

[tropic seal]

uh

[wanton salmon]

doesnt thelp that the enemy divisions dont gaf about low supply

[indigo sapphire]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3291168236&searchtext=building+slots

[tropic seal]

yeah sure i mean at some point all of your civs will be on trade / consumer goods

[wanton salmon]

so i get screwed whenver i do anything

[indigo sapphire]

this is the mod

[tropic seal]

so i guess thats a cap by itself

[wanton salmon]

but they can just walk around with no issues in a rainforest with no food

[tropic seal]

i would use mountaineers if fighting in south america

[wanton salmon]

5 tiles from any supply

[wanton salmon]

my special forces cap is 3, and im using paras for i

o i can nuke paratroop

[tropic seal]

make a buinch of 2w infantry

train a ton of them

like 400-500 divs if you can

deploy them

convert them into 50w infantry

convert those 50w infantry into mountaineers / special forces

[indigo sapphire]

@tropic seal this is the mod i have

[wanton salmon]

you can do that?

[tropic seal]

ah i see

[tropic seal]

yes

[wanton salmon]

i also only have like 240k manpower

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

you can probably still get l;ike 22+ special forces divs

depending on how big your template is

if its a small template then a lot more

[wanton salmon]

i see

[indigo sapphire]

with this mod i can spam out ALL of the mils i want

[wanton salmon]

honestly tho, i kinda just want to fix supply first

its such a grindy front due to it being all of europe against all of america

that i feel like itd be far easier to just hold with fully supply

[tropic seal]

youll hit a cap due to consumer goods eventually but yes

[wanton salmon]

and use paras to attack key locations

[indigo sapphire]

oh alr

[tropic seal]

can you hover over the wooden supply box

at the top

and send a picture of that

is it at 100%?

[indigo sapphire]

should i also build a lot of dockyards

[wanton salmon]

not at the start of spetmeber, but i realised i was missing trains, so i made some, it went up to 100, and it still wanst enough

[indigo sapphire]

so i can Spam out convoys

[tropic seal]

no if your fighting the ussr they basicalyl dont have a navy

i mean you could build a few

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

but prioritise mils and civs

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

id still suggest mountaineers they can do wonders even with terrible supply

i mountaineered my way through south america and the pacific with like red supply

[wanton salmon]

can they 1v15 german infantry divs?

kinda the situation im in rn XD

[tropic seal]

yeah if they have bad supply and in the mountains yes

24 mountaineers can easily push double or triple the amount of ai divs in the righ tconditions

[wanton salmon]

well the issue is, the germans have full supply in most provinces for some god forsaken reason

[tropic seal]

how did they even get to south america lol

[wanton salmon]

its 1964

[tropic seal]

the german ai has never made it there in all my playthroughs

[tropic seal]

oh 💀

[indigo sapphire]

how many divs should i spam out like gib a number

[tropic seal]

you will be limited by manpower

so as many as your manpower can sustain

[indigo sapphire]

alr

how about just 24

[tropic seal]

thats enough for a start yeah

[wanton salmon]

yeah

[tropic seal]

but it wont be enough to push into the ussr

[wanton salmon]

its basically 1984 map

all of europe

versus all of SE asis

[tropic seal]

did the ussr cap?

[wanton salmon]

versus all of america

some differences ofc

[wanton salmon]

yeah

[tropic seal]

dang

[wanton salmon]

took 4 nukes

tho

[tropic seal]

what country are you playing as

[wanton salmon]

and the entire population of poland

i havent seen a polish div for 5 years

[wanton salmon]

el salvador

[tropic seal]

i see

i mean ive never played a game past 1960

so im not sure about what to do in these ultra late game scenarios

is britain still alive?

or no

[wanton salmon]

no

i tried to start a revolt

[dusty sandal]

there isn't much to do but suffering from insane lag

[glacial steeple]

they suck

why not play peru

[wanton salmon]

but i relaised i needed every province at 75% resistance

[glacial steeple]

80% afaik

[wanton salmon]

which is stupid game design imo, because thats literally impossible unless it s a1 province country

great

[indigo sapphire]

@tropic seal how about another 24 to 48 divs later on?

[tropic seal]

yes definitely

[tropic seal]

yeah lol

[glacial steeple]

just having high resistance is worse tho

it eats through manpower

unless youre on no garrisons

which you should do as low-core pop minor nations if you core the states a bit later

like peru with bolivar (if youre fast enough at taking venezuela/colombia out)

but mostly the baltics

[trail reef]

can facist canada core usa in any way

[glacial steeple]

no

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

naw

canada would go hard if you could core the usa lol

[trail reef]

can canada core usa in any way?

[glacial steeple]

as a uk momarchist puppet the uk gets a decision for it

[wanton salmon]

my laptop is so bad it didnt actually slow down that much

but now im screwed

because i literally cannot advance

because supply in this game is so stupid

[indigo sapphire]

should i get another 50 to 60 more divs? @tropic seal

[tropic seal]

as many divs as you can

[dusty sandal]

it isn't

it's really straightforward

[tropic seal]

fighting the ussr is a PAIN without collab governments

[indigo sapphire]

alr potato

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

theres zeor supply and they can tank like 20 mil casualties easilyt

[wanton salmon]

build hubs build trains build trakcs build trucks guard your stuff etc etc

then along comes germany stacking 25 divs in a rainforest with no supply penaliste

[indigo sapphire]

ill then get atleast 100 divs and more

[dusty sandal]

usually people tha complain about supply being stupid either
1 - don't know how it works
2 - are doing something horribly stupid (700 divs on a single tile)
3 - have massive deficits in trains/trucks/convoys
4 - Are getting convoy raided and can't see the big red line crossed out in the logistical view

[indigo sapphire]

as Estonia

[tropic seal]

yeah id suggest if youre pretty new

to just time your invasion with barb

[dusty sandal]

you can forbid allied supplies

if they're the one causing issues

[tropic seal]

forbid allied supplies

[indigo sapphire]

alr

should i go fascist path

[tropic seal]

or they havent changed motorisation priority

[tropic seal]

i cant give focus advice cuz ive nevr played estonia

[dusty sandal]

even with that, 25divs on a tile is a guaranteed issue

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

ye

[wanton salmon]

what do i press?

[tropic seal]

click on a supply hub

[wanton salmon]

im fightign germany btw

which is the issue

[tropic seal]

3 options will appear

hover over each and itll tell you

[indigo sapphire]

i do plan to get another 200 to 300 divs

[tropic seal]

what they do

[trail reef]

did they remove the asking for garrison support button?

[tropic seal]

yeah sure

i forgot what states estonia can core

[dusty sandal]

then how is supply an issue ?

[tropic seal]

you usually dont need garrison support anyway

[wanton salmon]

supply is still scrwed

[indigo sapphire]

thx for agreeing with me potato

[trail reef]

well i do so but is it removed

[wanton salmon]

because i have no supply and they have infiite supply

[dusty sandal]

open logistics view, click on a hub, then select the blue icon so that it has a 🚫 on it

[wanton salmon]

still no supply

[hoary glen]

Alright. Gotcha

[indigo sapphire]

i dont like how USSR gets 800 divs in ww2

[tropic seal]

the ussr can shoot out so many divs lol its insane

[indigo sapphire]

yes its very OP

[dusty sandal]

jsyk, AI doesn't have cheats but the ones listed in the starting setting which is only 48hrs supply grace on normal difficulty

could you share a screenshot of the problematic area ?

[tropic seal]

thats why you need to encircle them because youll never win a slugfest against the ussr

[indigo sapphire]

yes ik potato

[tropic seal]

he sent it already

@dusty sandal

[indigo sapphire]

yes its OP

like VERY OP

[dusty sandal]

I should have said, not on logistical view and a bit more zoomed out

also, don't crop out any UI element

[tropic seal]

eh 2 armored spearheads and poof goes like 30 divs

[wanton salmon]

allied supply is turnedoff btw

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

usually the ussr only fields like 400-600 divs

so its not too bad as long as youre encircling them consistently

[indigo sapphire]

i do wanna recruit more divs than ussr

[dusty sandal]

do they have supplies ? click on a battle because it just seems that you have no intel

[tropic seal]

thats probably not possible lol

[dusty sandal]

so you can't see if they have supply issues or not

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[tropic seal]

the only country that can recruit as much divs from the start is probably like china

[dusty sandal]

also, that definitely looks like convoy raiding OR lack of trains on your part

[indigo sapphire]

oh alr

well tbh

[wanton salmon]

the ones next to me dont, but the moment i push them back then i see them attack with fully supply

so its jsut a slug fest over this no supply zone

[indigo sapphire]

i do like using console commands to test out stuff @tropic seal

basically i use manpower etc

[tropic seal]

fair

do whatever makees the game fun

its a game

console commands arent cheating as long as youre having fun

[indigo sapphire]

yes ik potato

[dusty sandal]

care to share a combat bubble screenshot ? also a look at your logistical UI (top of the screen)?

[indigo sapphire]

i do also use the Insta train command

so i can spam out as many divs as i want

against ussr

[wanton salmon]

i opened up aprevious save so the logistic UI isnt full yet, but it should be full in a week or so

im missing like 10 trains

thats it

an i wanst missing anythign ebfore i save returned

[dusty sandal]

are supply lines motorized on your army ?

[wanton salmon]

yes

[dusty sandal]

and have you been raided in the last month (check the navy kill list)

[wanton salmon]

probably worth pointing out, their low supply debuff is half of ours

[wanton salmon]

i have, but i lost like 5 convoys a month max

[tropic seal]

what is your infantry template?

[topaz yew]

aw man what am i meant to do here?

[tropic seal]

zhukov is too important

keep him

[topaz yew]

do i get rid of timonshenko?

[wanton salmon]

its just a blob meant to hold ground

i take territory with paratroos

[tropic seal]

yeah this doesnt work in mountains

[indigo sapphire]

@tropic seal im gonna spam out 500 600 800 to 900 divs

[tropic seal]

lol sure

[tropic seal]

the best ground holder

[indigo sapphire]

thx

[tropic seal]

is a simple 18w infantry with engineer, aa and artillery

thats all you need

[dusty sandal]

15% lack of supplies mean they're at 60% supply tops
that's not good supply, they're probably getting just enough because it's inf, 7 tiles out from a hub, on full motorization

in the mean time you have <20% supplies so you take max penality + attrition + org is capped + any unit that uses fuel is stuck at 1km/h and locked at 5% stat because of lack of fuel

[tropic seal]

even for offensive inf id still recommend you to cut it to 36w

44w is too big imo

and i dont like line artillery but thats probably just me

[dusty sandal]

that's way too big and not adapted at all to jungle fighting btw
also, critical lack of AA

[tropic seal]

use mountaineers

trust me

they cook up miracles in south america and the pacific

[wanton salmon]

im right next to a motriised hub

so why is mine worse than theirs

[topaz yew]

got rid of timoshenko

[wanton salmon]

and their supply gets even better after the contested zone

so i cant even advance

even when they stack 16 divs ina forest

[wanton salmon]

alright, thanks

ive cut off one of the lines of inf and made it 33 width

is that better?

[tropic seal]

i would remove the line artillery

[wanton salmon]

replace with rocket?

[tropic seal]

and swap some of the support compamnes

[indigo sapphire]

@tropic seal what other stuff should i do to win as Estonia vs ussr

[tropic seal]

no i use just inf

[wanton salmon]

oh

[dusty sandal]

you. are. getting. raided

OR

you don't have any connection between this area, and your capital hub (either because lack of convoys, capital hub is encircled and haven't move dout OR you forbid access to the sea that links both areas)

I'm 99% sure of that

[tropic seal]

or maybe his temp is just supply hungry

44w with allat cant be too supply friendly

[topaz yew]

is it better to take 10% division speed or defence now that ive got rid of timoshenko?

[dusty sandal]

US is getting supply in just fine, but seem to be getting raided

[tropic seal]

uh probably just what i said already

encirclements

let the germans take the beating

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[dusty sandal]

there isn't much of them though, that's not the issue and no hub is overloaded OR getting any supply in (lack of line going outward)

[tropic seal]

thats fair

[wanton salmon]

there are no enemy shios in the convoy routes tho

[tropic seal]

i do not like the hoi4 navy system

🥀

[dusty sandal]

well, then don't fight where you cannot supply your troops

[wanton salmon]

where should i fight then?

my capital is just outside of SA

[tropic seal]

in europe probably

[wanton salmon]

IM EL SALVADOR

[topaz yew]

oh yegorov wwill alwways get purged? ig that means i have to take the 10% speed?

[tropic seal]

ah i keep forgetting that but europe has better supply in the continent anyway

[tropic seal]

i dont think so

[dusty sandal]

I don't know
depends on a lot of things, mainly, where can you supply your troops ?

[topaz yew]

will he not get purged?

[tropic seal]

i havent played the ussr enough to be 100% sure

but i think if you just do the inspections in navy and air force

your generals should be relatively safe

[topaz yew]

ah okay

[tropic seal]

avoid inspections in the army at all costs

sack the navy the ussr never needs a navy to win historical

[hollow linden]

Take army reformer

[topaz yew]

hes dead

[hollow linden]

Yes he will always get purged

[hollow linden]

WHY DID YOU KILL HIm

restart

its gg

[topaz yew]

should i havve killede zhukov?

[wanton salmon]

in the very north of aotuh america

[hollow linden]

Killing timo is very bad

[wanton salmon]

south

[hollow linden]

fking YES

Zhukov sucks

What do you use him for

u grind better generals in spain

[topaz yew]

😭

[hollow linden]

He literally isnt

[tropic seal]

oh

my bad then

[hollow linden]

What is it about people wanting to keep shit lvl 5 gens

[topaz yew]

i have been using him for spgs on previous runs

[hollow linden]

Like Sure it is zhukov bu you are supposed to grind better generals in spain

[glacial steeple]

he sucks

[topaz yew]

i heard he wwas important guy irl

[hollow linden]

Yea irl

is this irl

[tropic seal]

ahh alright

what generals are worth keeping as the ussr?

[hollow linden]

Chuikov

Popov

Roko

[topaz yew]

thought itd be higher skills for important ones

[hollow linden]

Kusnetov

[glacial steeple]

in general its always low level generals with commando/brilliant strategist

because low level grinds better

[tropic seal]

ah aight

yeah

[hollow linden]

Well hes already high lvl

[glacial steeple]

if they start high level with a lot of traits and like 5 attack they suck

[hollow linden]

hell get no traits

and be a worse general than the lvl 1

[topaz yew]

ah okay

[tropic seal]

oh wait wdym by the 5 attack

[glacial steeple]

attack points

[hollow linden]

lvl 5 and 5 attack is ass

[tropic seal]

oh

[hollow linden]

u can get like 9 attack by lvl 5

[tropic seal]

what do you want in a level 5

ah

[glacial steeple]

more

[tropic seal]

i see

[glacial steeple]

its up to 3 attack points per upgrade

[tropic seal]

whats the proper strategy to grind attack

[hollow linden]

Ideally you dont want to start with one, take a lvl 1 gen and grind him to lvl 5

[tropic seal]

or is it just passive?

[hollow linden]

u get it via level up

[tropic seal]

yeah but is it like traits

or no

[hollow linden]

No no

the attack points on the general itself

Its not a trait

[glacial steeple]

it rolls for stats when you level up

its kinda random

[tropic seal]

i meant like does it increase like traits

oh

ok

where like for traits you need to do specific things

[topaz yew]

which general should i send to spain for spgs later?

[glacial steeple]

you just need to use the general

[hollow linden]

No no you get it passively when leveling up

[hollow linden]

Send Popv and Kusnetov, use Kusnetsov as general

[tropic seal]

are rolls fixed? like if you get a low roll can you revert to a previous save and try again

[glacial steeple]

gameseed+modifiers+date determine them

[tropic seal]

dang aight

[hollow linden]

Basically random

[glacial steeple]

practically random

but if you have the same modifiers on the same date its always the same result

[topaz yew]

sorry which ones which? is kusnetsov the army group leader?

[tropic seal]

is it ever worth it to build a fortline as the ussr

or no

[glacial steeple]

no

forts are expensive

[tropic seal]

ight

[hollow linden]

No hes the general

On the army

[tropic seal]

does the ussr not have the ic to create a line of level 1 forts

[topaz yew]

ah okay thanks

[hollow linden]

The front is very fluid

[topaz yew]

the army commander?

[hollow linden]

So no dont build forts as USSR

[tropic seal]

fair

[hollow linden]

Maybe on victory points?

[glacial steeple]

well yeah but then you have a lot less mils

[tropic seal]

thats true

[hollow linden]

Wdym?

[topaz yew]

i wish my front as ussr was fluid lmao

[hollow linden]

mb

[tropic seal]

oh yeah i usually build forts on the supply hubs

that i need to hold

[hollow linden]

Meh

[glacial steeple]

it kinda works like buying market equipment

[tropic seal]

ive never touched market equipment

[glacial steeple]

like youre sacrificing your entire economy for a temporary benefit

[tropic seal]

is it even worth it

[glacial steeple]

which you can do

but it kinda sucks

[topaz yew]

okay back a minute, what is a general? and whats the difference between that and a commander?

[tropic seal]

general is the dude that can usualyl hold 24 divs

field marshal is the bigger icon that you can usualyl asign 5 generals to

[hollow linden]

Ok throw the term "commander" out immediately, thats not a role in hoi

[glacial steeple]

in basically every way possible its better to make your own

[tropic seal]

yeah ive never used the market

[hollow linden]

General is the guy you put in charge of one army of 24 divisions. A Fieldmarshal is the guy you put in charge of 5 armies of 24 divisions

[topaz yew]

so is this for a field marshal, not commander

[tropic seal]

i lowkey forgot it even exists

[tropic seal]

yes

[hollow linden]

YES

[tropic seal]

its ays feield marshal

[hollow linden]

As the rank says.

[tropic seal]

on top of his name

[glacial steeple]

its good if you need like 20 trains

[tropic seal]

lol fair

[topaz yew]

ah yeah it says both guh

thanks

[hollow linden]

Oh jesus

It says above the guys name "field marshal"

[topaz yew]

what about him

[tropic seal]

lmao

[topaz yew]

yeah i see

[hollow linden]

Nothing

[tropic seal]

jesus as a field marshal

[glacial steeple]

hes not in the game

[tropic seal]

level 100 planning skill

battleplan enemies to death with him

[wanton salmon]

Issue is

The CEA is far stronger than the Allies

So I don’t want to fight them somewhere they too have supply

[tropic seal]

if its 1960 i dont think the game is ending anytime soon

at that point its almost always a stalemate

unless if you sit back and throw nukes everywhere

but ive never played to 60 so im not sure

[topaz yew]

if i send kusnetzov to spain should i not use him to control my spgs? it says hes good at infantry

[glacial steeple]

can you show the supply map mode?

[wanton salmon]

Not at my pc anymore sorry

But I sent a pic earlier

[tropic seal]

This was his supply map

but it does have the ui cut out

[glacial steeple]

looks terrible

[tropic seal]

This is his template man

[glacial steeple]

.

[tropic seal]

id suggest just using mountaineers

[topaz yew]

yeah i thought it would be good to send people who control my armour to spain cuz theyll be doing the attacking with finland and germany, is that not the case? is it more worthwhile to send generals that do infantry?

[glacial steeple]

only able to fit 1 guy in every battle as they eat up all supply

[tropic seal]

this 44w brick is not going to push in south america

[wanton salmon]

Sadge

I’ve cut it down to 36

[tropic seal]

36w is fine but still not great for mountains

[wanton salmon]

Everyone is still out of supply

[glacial steeple]

inf just sucks at attacking in general

[wanton salmon]

Tanks aren’t too hot in mountains surely?

[glacial steeple]

its a unit designed to defend

[tropic seal]

they suck in mountains too

[glacial steeple]

mountaineers/rangers exist

[tropic seal]

thats why you have special forces

[wanton salmon]

My main offensive capability is paras

[tropic seal]

paratroopers arent good at offensive

like

[glacial steeple]

those work too

[tropic seal]

grand battles

[glacial steeple]

better than infantry anyway

[tropic seal]

i only use them to cap ports

and vps

[glacial steeple]

they work

[tropic seal]

oh

[glacial steeple]

they have lower supply usage than inf too

[tropic seal]

ive nevr tried to push with them

maybe illg ive it a shot

[tropic seal]

but mouintaineers would do so well in south america

[glacial steeple]

its like objectively worse than rangers/mountaineers

[tropic seal]

its all mountains

[glacial steeple]

but it works

[tropic seal]

yeah

mountaineers can just rush through the pacific and south america

its hilarious they can push full strength divs while undersupplied and in red air

[wanton salmon]

I just nuke a town then parador pinto it

I make like one nuke a month

[dusty sandal]

he was getting raided on the way in

[wanton salmon]

I’m going to crap out some more divs so I can get mountaineers tho

[wanton salmon]

Not atp

[tropic seal]

dont

use the 2w 50w thing

you will get the mountaineers way faster

[wanton salmon]

Yeah make it 2W

Switch to 50W

[tropic seal]

yes

[dusty sandal]

well, it's either that or you have cut off access to the see/don't have any connection to your capital

[wanton salmon]

Then replace them with mountaineers

[tropic seal]

yep

use the correct template btw

and special forces doctrine

[wanton salmon]

Which one?

[tropic seal]

iirc thers one in pins

lemme find it

[topaz yew]

also whats the point in leveling up low level generals over higher level ones, wont they just end up being the same skill as the higher ones after?

[wanton salmon]

I never used any special forces aside from paras before

[wanton salmon]

It’s quicker

[tropic seal]

this

take the cw reduction from the special forces doctrine

[topaz yew]

quicker to get a lvl 1 general to lvl 5 than just use the level 5?

[tropic seal]

no

its better

not quicker

[wanton salmon]

It’s quciker to level up the level 1 than the level 5

That’s what I thought you meant

[topaz yew]

aw man this games hard, why do you want to level up the bad general over just using the good one?

[wanton salmon]

Each special force has their own doctrine right

So I haven’t wasted my chance my using paras

[trail reef]

ive done this decision 2 times will it always reapear?

[wanton salmon]

Will I have the manpower to fill up so many of those?

[tropic seal]

uh

i think you can only pick one

i THINK

im not sure

[tropic seal]

theyre not hta tmp heavy

how much mp do you have

[wanton salmon]

240l or so

250k

[tropic seal]

against the ai you dont really need to min max like this

the ai dies to like anything

[glacial steeple]

the "good" one isnt good

[tropic seal]

oh

well

fill as many as you can

reduce your 44w main divs to 36w

[topaz yew]

one day this will happen, but at my skill minmaxing is good

[tropic seal]

that should save a fair bit of mp

[glacial steeple]

you can have better attack points on a level 3 general than on zhukov btw

[wanton salmon]

I’ve already done that

Wait it’s gone up to 260

[glacial steeple]

and levelling up at low level is really easy

[tropic seal]

aw dang

[tropic seal]

whats your conscprion law

[wanton salmon]

SCRAPING THE BARREL

[tropic seal]

260k on scraping the barrel in 1960?? hawt dang

[glacial steeple]

do you have that much mobilized?

it isnt instant

[topaz yew]

so does leveling up a low tier general gain more points in the traits than higher tier generals would already have?=

[tropic seal]

its 1960

[wanton salmon]

I’ve been at war for over 20 years

[glacial steeple]

did you mess up your occupation laws

[wanton salmon]

1964

[tropic seal]

even worse

[glacial steeple]

that usually eats manpower

[wanton salmon]

Local police force

[glacial steeple]

YES by a LOT

[wanton salmon]

I’ve cored everything I can core

[glacial steeple]

and you also get traits you want

[topaz yew]

ah okay, thank you very much

[tropic seal]

i would suggest like ending the playthrough

because itlll just be a stalemate

judgingf rom what youve told us

[wanton salmon]

Someone’s gotta run out of men ever risky

Eventually

[topaz yew]

can you choose which skill they gain?

[wanton salmon]

And my enemy is also scraping the barrel

[tropic seal]

260k mp with everything cored and assuming you havent screwed up garrisons / laws and on scraping the barrel in 1964 usually means stalemate

[wanton salmon]

Poland hasn’t had a single div for 5 years now

[tropic seal]

random

[topaz yew]

so how do you get the skills you want?

[wanton salmon]

And the CEA had about 500-1000 less divs than they used to

[glacial steeple]

grinded generals example

and you cant but you can do bold attack

[topaz yew]

right, how did you get it to level up attack a lot without doing defence if its random?

[tropic seal]

army spirits and you hope i guess

[glacial steeple]

brilliant strategist rolls for more attack

bold attack in officer corps too

[tropic seal]

i've never been really btohered to trait grind my generals

i should try that in my next playthrough probably

[glacial steeple]

i only do it sometimes dw

[topaz yew]

is that a trait?

[modest maple]

What should I do here

[tropic seal]

ah aight

[tropic seal]

yes

[glacial steeple]

yes

[tropic seal]

if you hover over each option

it tells you what itll do

[modest maple]

I know but wont Germany get angry if I help Austria?

[glacial steeple]

game is about war

but they cant do anything afaik

[full fulcrum]

Not quite, you can be diplomatic too

[tropic seal]

probably not on historical

[tropic seal]

switzerland gameplay

swiss historical path is so boring

at least in my playthrough

i did like nothing until 44

[topaz yew]

oh do they not all have briliant strategist avvailable?

[tropic seal]

only some gens do

[glacial steeple]

no its a starting trait

[modest maple]

What does it mean if a country has claims on your provinces

[glacial steeple]

same for inflexible defender

[full fulcrum]

Uhm, fascist hungary, click focuses, demand territory

[topaz yew]

ohhh okay thanks

[tropic seal]

means they can declare on you

[glacial steeple]

thats why only like

[tropic seal]

germany can say no

[glacial steeple]

certain low level generals matter

you could grind one without but its a lot worse

[tropic seal]

and they do to most of the demands except slovakia

i think

[full fulcrum]

U dont demand anything from germany dummkopf

[glacial steeple]

commando trait too

[tropic seal]

what

burgenland?

[glacial steeple]

its technically grindable

but youre not gonna grind commando

[full fulcrum]

Burgenland, carpethian ruthenia, slovakia parts, slovenia, transylvenia,

[tropic seal]

slovakia too if you do it after germany annexes

[tropic seal]

yes arent those demands made to germany

like

burgenland and slovakia

[full fulcrum]

No, why would it

[tropic seal]

what

[topaz yew]

so its better to grind a low general with infantry speciality and use it for armour, than a normal general with armour speciality? because the lower one gets a much higher attack level? thank you

[tropic seal]

slovakia is a german puppet at that point right

unless if you rush it?

[modest maple]

What does it mean to embargo german reich?

[full fulcrum]

Well I use instantconstruction,focus.autocomplete,research_on_icon_click cheats

[glacial steeple]

close enough yes

[tropic seal]

bro

[glacial steeple]

also more traits since you grind newer traits slower if you have more

[tropic seal]

then ur ccase doesnt apply to most people man..

[modest maple]

Nevermind I'm dumb

[tropic seal]

for most people you would be demanding burgenland and slovakia from germany

and they will usually say no to burgenland

slovakia is usually a yes

[full fulcrum]

No, bc these r all 35 day focuses

Slovakia,austria and yugoslavia will almost always say yes, but I always use modern tanks in 1936 too by some commabds

Romania will always

Say no

[tropic seal]

i meant

for a normal person

like

[full fulcrum]

Still

[tropic seal]

normal playthrough

[full fulcrum]

35 day focuses

[tropic seal]

what does them being 35 day focuses change anything

@glacial steeple do you undestand? i dont really get it

[full fulcrum]

Austria says yes if u improve releations,same one with yugoslavia and slovakia too

[tropic seal]

but burgenland is under german control no?

[full fulcrum]

With romania,improve releations with france as they guarantee them, so choose them as a mediator

[full fulcrum]

Nah, anschluss is in 1938, by then u could demand it if u focus on it

[tropic seal]

what operation are you doing

[tropic seal]

ive never rushed demand burgeland so i acnt confirm on that

but maybe yes

[glacial steeple]

if its a mod to make everything faster it majorly changes game balance

idk

[tropic seal]

using planes?

[tropic seal]

thats what i was saying man

[full fulcrum]

I use focus.autocomplete,research_on_icon_click and instantconstruction. No mods

[tropic seal]

if you hover oevr like the % chance of success it shoudl tel you why

e.g. like

get airspace dominance

lower enemy aa lvel int he area

i mean if an operation fails

you can just revert to a previous save

and try again

unless if youre on ironman

[full fulcrum]

I rlly want to buy HOI4 as I use a torrented version but if I buy it I can use mods

I rlly wanna try the millenium dawn one

@tropic seal opinion on the millenium dawn mod?

[tropic seal]

never tried it

i only play with player led peace conferences

to prevent border gore

otherwise ive only done vanilla

[full fulcrum]

Well I think I am gonna buy it in a few days as using a torrented one is good as it includes every DLC, but if I buy it, i have to buy the dlcs too

[wise storm]

any one can help me on voice chat ??

i play japan

[jagged hull]

ok i need help to do world conquest

[solar kayak]

is this a good tank design for space marines

[wanton salmon]

Aight I’m back

[ancient gale]

Hi everyone, is there a good cheese strategy to naval invade UK as Germany? With all dlcs

[solar kayak]

paratroopers

[full fulcrum]

How?

[normal lake]

Should I be concerned

that the territories I wanna assign my ships on are covered on red lines

[solar kayak]

?

[idle arch]

When grinding for army exp is it better to spread the units out or concentrate then in one area

[normal lake]

WHY IS IT MOVING TO HAWAII

I NEED IT ON THE PHILIPPINES ARE THE SHIP CAPTAINS DRUNK?

I ONLY HAVE 10 IN GAME DAYS BEFORE JAPAN THROWS HANDS WITH ME

GUYS WTF DO I DO

[fickle bear]

guys how can i get 20% democracy support as tsarist bulgaria

[solar kayak]

they tryna stop the cannon event that is pearl harbor

[normal lake]

BE FR RN

[solar kayak]

dawg i play czechoslovakia

[normal lake]

I think I messed up sth in the menu

[solar kayak]

what the hell am i meant to know about navy

alr ig ill use the tank template

since it seems to be good

[normal lake]

haha very funny

[trail reef]

whats the best chinese path

[normal lake]

HOLY DAMN WHAT DO I DO

[wanton salmon]

@tropic seal how many 4W inf should i make

[normal lake]

I WANT THIS SPECIFIC TASK FORCE ON THE PHILIPPINES BUT IT THINKS IT SHOULD GO TO HAWAII

HELLPPPP

PLEAASEE ANYONE

WQ9UEBRFUBIONQ3R4G

[solar kayak]

chill twin

[normal lake]

GO. TO. THE. PHILIPPINES

JAPAN IS GONNA TURN THEM INSIDE OUT

IQWUEBRFUO3HEFIBUFQR3WEF]EQR

[tropic seal]

U mean 2w? As many as you can

[tropic seal]

First right click that bin icon

Delete all orders

[normal lake]

AIGHT

[tropic seal]

You're trying to patrol four regions with one task force

Don't do that

Make one task force for each region

The games navy patrol mechanics absolutely suck

[normal lake]

should I separate the spotter ships form my taskforces

[wanton salmon]

kk, thanks

[tropic seal]

Im not sure I just dearhstack my ships but that's probably smart yes

I hate playing navy

[wanton salmon]

when i make them 50w wont i be unable to man then?

[tropic seal]

Yeah you wobt

But that doesn't matter

[wanton salmon]

so several hundred of them, k

[inner sparrow]

no

its bad

[wanton salmon]

i can make 150 at a time

its capped by my army size

[normal lake]

same

[tropic seal]

Sure

[normal lake]

holy hell I only have 7

[tropic seal]

Playing USA while hating the navy is a bold choice

The USA is probably the second or third most navy heavy country

Behind Japan and like Britain maybe

[normal lake]

I don't wanna play PuppyKicker, Destroyer of Worlds

[tropic seal]

Lmao

[wanton salmon]

i literally cannot hold

no supply

[tropic seal]

Fall back then

[wanton salmon]

we retreat too slwoly

were just going to get overrun

they can move really fasr

[tropic seal]

Uh

I mean I'm really not sure what to do for your scenario

All the rules of the game get thrown out the window at like Ur point in time

Maybe ask like casey

Or something

[wanton salmon]

supply just doesnt work after 1960?

what?

[tropic seal]

Well it does

But manpower etc

[wanton salmon]

how do i fix this supply issue ive done everything you guys have told me

[tropic seal]

Use mountaineers and retreat with your regular inf

[wanton salmon]

but why is the supply so screwed?

[signal bane]

so im doing a communist china game on non historical, should i go down "burn the paper tigers" or "the unwilling diarchy" im obv going mao

[wanton salmon]

im currently training the mountaineers

i was unaware germans produced canned food from their bodies

[solar kayak]

what is bad about it

[dusty sandal]

because you have left an order to patrol over there ...

[inner sparrow]

nearly everything, if u want an armor meme for ur space marines u want it to have as high armor as possible

[tardy mesa]

im stuck in this defensive position what do i do

[inner sparrow]

also u ahve unused slots, use them its free stats, turret is bad, gear is bad, engine clicks for no reason?? space marines are capped on 4km/h anyways, gun is bad, no mio, its a light not med or heavy which is also shit

[tropic seal]

I'm really not sure sometimes there are area swhere supply is just baked

Like northern canada

Even after building stuff up it's still cooked

[tropic seal]

What country is this

[tardy mesa]

austria

[wanton salmon]

should i max out onfrastructure?>

[tropic seal]

Sure if you want

[tropic seal]

What are your templates

[normal lake]

how do I let two task forces operate at different regions???

[tropic seal]

And your supply is at 9%

That's probably why you're not pushing

[tropic seal]

Wdym assign one region to each task force

[wanton salmon]

but onyl for the player?

[tropic seal]

No the ai gets the same debuffs if you picked normal

[normal lake]

how do I let the task force here operate on the east coast and have the other one operate on the west coast

[tropic seal]

Separate them into theatres

Select a task force and click new theatre

That's the easiest way I think

[normal lake]

wait so I have like 100 different theatres now

[tropic seal]

What

[tropic seal]

Exercise your ships btw

[normal lake]

I did btw

[tropic seal]

They're currently green

Oh ok

[wanton salmon]

but theyre even further from a supply hub than me, so why is their supply ok?

[tropic seal]

A range of factors probably like their div templates being less supply heavy, having a higher capacity hub etc

[solar kayak]

holy crap im holding

[wanton salmon]

wouldnt div overstacking completely negate that?

im so confused

i hate supply

[solar kayak]

bro it was 1936

and i used lights bcs czecho has advanced lights resarched at the start

[tropic seal]

I'm not sure either but this is why I only use special forces in regions like South America and the Pacific

I've never had to deal with this supply stuff

[wanton salmon]

k, im making them now

are logistics companies worth it?

[inner sparrow]

no reason to design one in 1936 just make a convert

[tropic seal]

Just use the mou trainers template

[inner sparrow]

and then design final or one as soon as u have better stuff

[tropic seal]

Mountianeers

In pins

And yes I think they're good in mountaineers

[solar kayak]

dosnt matter now im fighting germany

and their working

[inner sparrow]

doesnt change that its bad, and theres still stuff u could have changed even in 1936, 90% of the bad design had nothing to do with the date

[solar kayak]

finally

[inner sparrow]

its ai ofc its working

dont ask if its good if ur ignorant

[tropic seal]

Anything goes against ai

[normal lake]

HOW DOES IT WORK HOLY HELL

PLEASE ANYBODY I'M CRASHING TF OUT

I PUT IT ON A DIFFERENT FLEET

[wanton salmon]

just out of interest

wouldnt the f;amethrower tank be useless in mountains

[tropic seal]

No it's just there for a stat voodt

Boost

The flame tank support company doesn't function like a normal tank

That's why you can make it as cheap and terrible as possible

Unless if you really want breakthrough

But usually just a terrible chassis with no armour welded turret

[sweet summit]

What's a decomissioned template

[wanton salmon]

oh i see, makes sense

wai

[normal lake]

Okay i figured it ou tbut why is this stuck in 50%

[wanton salmon]

supply is fixing

ITS A MIRACLE

PRAISE THE LORD

[dusty sandal]

each fleet can be in one region at once max
the only exception is for strike force or naval invasion support

escort missions will lose efficiency the more regions you assign to it

[normal lake]

what if I split the task force

[sweet summit]

Uh you get two task forces

[pallid wadi]

How do I make my tank divisions capped at 5 idk how this works

[tropic seal]

That's not a tank div cap

That's a field marshal

[wanton salmon]

yknow

[pallid wadi]

Wait if I put field marshal will it be out of 5

[tropic seal]

Single digit stats is indabe

[wanton salmon]

supply is ovverated

indabe?

[tropic seal]

What? Yes most field marshals have a cap of five

[tropic seal]

Insane*

[wanton salmon]

the african union hasnt existed for several years now

i presume theyve run out of men and guns

[pallid wadi]

Hm it still is out of 24

[tropic seal]

Then make another army once one is full?

[pallid wadi]

I know I was just confused why people habe divisions capped at 5 divisions

[tropic seal]

They dont

The cap of five is for generals

The cap of 24 is for divisions

[pallid wadi]

wait huh IM confused

[wanton salmon]

@tropic seal i just got 172 2w inf

do i make them 50w now?

im still researching mountaineers

[normal lake]

what happened to my army group

[tropic seal]

Wait till you actually have a mountaineer temp

[tropic seal]

A field marshal

Can have five generals under his command usually

That's where the 5/5 you see is coming from

He is not a general he doesn't command any divisions personally

Generals are the one with the higher cap usually 24

They are the ones that command divisions

[stark imp]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssss thank you for all who helped me get to this stage

stupid romania is taking all of the territory tho lol

[ancient gale]

Any good design in mind?

[tropic seal]

Player led peace conferences

[stark imp]

yeah i will

[tropic seal]

Stuff like this is the reason why this is the only mod I use

Your allies will do nothing take 3mil casualties feed an army worth of captured equipment

Then demand everything at the conference

[ancient gale]

worst part is what they request makes no sense at all. Yesterday I had the GB demand some territory in russia not connected by the sea because whatever. Like, wtf

[pallid wadi]

how do i make a army group

like with multiple armies

[hollow linden]

U know how u have to portraits at the bottom of your screen? One larger and one smaller? Select all armies you wanna assign and click on the big portrait

[stark imp]

he he he ha

[tropic seal]

Assign generals to a field marshal

[normal lake]

bro how do I get naval dominance

[stark imp]

yeah... romaina has ambition

[plush arrow]

how to win civil war, i cant win a germany civil war

[solar kayak]

yall keep saying that

i do not understand

no it dosnt

[tropic seal]

It does

You can literally battleplan the AI to dearh

[hollow linden]

Your economy, macro and focus order matters more than your template design

It doesn't matter if you have baller designs, if your eco can't support them. They're no use

Meanwhile if you have a good eco but kinda bad templates you can still win

[tropic seal]

I didn't even right click as Germany until hitting the Soviets

[stark imp]

lots of lebensraum

do i bother to do a world conquest or should i just call it game?

[tropic seal]

Nicee

[tropic seal]

Wc is incredibly boring at least for me

[hollow linden]

Call it

[stark imp]

and the cherry on the cake

[tropic seal]

I count my Germany games done once I cap the UK and ussr

[hollow linden]

WC is pointless unless going for achievements

[tropic seal]

And maybe USA

[stark imp]

i dont know what i did to stop the us joining lol

[tropic seal]

Yeah you won

USA isn't even at war with you lol

[stark imp]

i wonder why?

[tropic seal]

Not sure

Ai is funky sometimes

[stark imp]

because i killed britan so quick?