ask-for-help-here

[left mica]

why are you recommending poland

[raw badger]

its pretty easy enough, you even able to do 9/2 inf and forget

[left mica]

[raw badger]

cuz allies is pretty bad

[sand ember]

Poland is fun

[left mica]

that is not beginner friendly……….

[raw badger]

at handle something, if 1940

500 hours maybe?

for a poland

[left mica]

ive done poland once i think

maybe twice?

[raw badger]

if you doing historical and historical poland maybe you just will be defending in 2 tiles

[light knoll]

i mean Habsburg Poland is not really hard but like

[left mica]

once as sanation centre and once as karl albrecht

[raw badger]

maybe trough habsburgs you able to actually defeat germany

[light knoll]

not the easiest either

[raw badger]

it requires skill

[light knoll]

and if you're not good you'll just die to Germany

[left mica]

sanitation centre

[raw badger]

at least minimum

[left mica]

defo best country to recommend to a 60 hour player

[raw badger]

no jokes mate

[sand ember]

You can always just give up Danzig if you’re not ready

Acting like 60 hours isn’t enough to have a basic grasp of the game smh

That’s almost 3 days of continuous playtime

You should be able to attempt a country at that amount of hours

[raw badger]

true, to do something try to understand at least infantry and aviation

or basic tanks

like just doing cheap tonks

[slate cedar]

i always get rammed by allies when playing germany

[raw badger]

30 width and spam it

[slate cedar]

and idk what to do with its huge navy and air force

[raw badger]

wheere you stuck

[sand ember]

Like you can’t kill France?

[slate cedar]

not even netherlands sometimes

[left mica]

luxembourg wc

[raw badger]

oh that bad

[left mica]

or try finland

[raw badger]

just use aviation buddy or tanks. or just add more line artillery in your infantry even it sucks

[left mica]

oh yeah

yettishar or whatever country that is

[sand ember]

Ok well one tip, don’t declare war on all the Benelux, declare on only Netherlands first and rush them down, you’ll kill them and Belgium won’t have joined so there will be basically no divisions

Then declare war on Belgium, France won’t have moved in any troops so it should also be easy

[raw badger]

uk probally gurantee netherlands

or that didn't affecting

[sand ember]

Then you can hopefully have an undefended border with France for a second

[sand ember]

So what

[raw badger]

i thought that gonna affect something

[sand ember]

No one will have troops in them day one, they join the Allie’s yeah but so what if you’re able to immediately kill them

[raw badger]

yea nothing happends

forgot about belgium neutrality which belgium deletes pretty late

[slate cedar]

i just said idk what to do with my air force 😔

[raw badger]

rush it, can you please show the air tech

[slate cedar]

just the standard one

[raw badger]

you didn't having all dlc?

[slate cedar]

till gottendamurung

or however you spell it

[raw badger]

oh then you have dlc with italy

yea that one

[slate cedar]

i suck at italy 😭

[left mica]

gottedammerung

[raw badger]

that doesn't matter

[left mica]

just call it gdr

[slate cedar]

im only decent with commy china

[left mica]

italy is tricky to play

[raw badger]

you just must to have dlc which expands italy focus tree

[left mica]

it has to have everything with 0 industry

i hate phone keyboard

[raw badger]

show that thing pls, and air focuses of germany

[slate cedar]

im not ingame rn

[raw badger]

oh

ima try to found one

so you basically need to rush small plane 3, heavy mg, additional fuel thing, and armor. also heavy bombs if possible

gen 3 you will get from focus

[slate cedar]

thank you bro

but usually when i use my navy and airforce and all that i run out of fuel really fast

[raw badger]

build more oil refinery

or buy it from romania

[slate cedar]

i built more but i still run out

[raw badger]

automatically gen 3 on a new plane

idk why you spenting that many, i got around 10 and they doing good

maybe research thing that increases how much oil they getting

[white sinew]

My own spy is rescuing himself from prison

[slate cedar]

maybe training navy, army, airforce was taking all my oil

[raw badger]

oh then yes

[fluid verge]

stacked entrenchment didnt work

had lvl 6 forts

i held onto two tiles to not cap

[outer garden]

does anybody wanna coach me

?

cuz i never win against soviets

anybody?

please tag me if anybody wanna coach me

[raw badger]

just get divisions with a lot of soft attack

and encircle them

cuz soviets doing really bad

also do the thing which reduces their capitulation limit

in agency

because without that thing you are supposed go to ural to capitulate soviets

[outer garden]

where is the agency?

[raw badger]

or just do basic 30 width tanks with howitzer gun

[raw badger]

oh you dont know about agency?

OHHHHH

[outer garden]

where is it

[raw badger]

you dont got it

because you didnt got dlc

[outer garden]

oh ok

[raw badger]

then goodluck capitulating soviets

because you need go to ural where is 0 supply

[red gale]

has reliability changed a lot?

I remember that anything above 50% was not that important

[raw badger]

yea is it

[outer garden]

wich one

[raw badger]

it didnt changed, just get more 50% reliability and u should be fine

[raw badger]

do the right one path

its always better

dont do the deal with soviets

get entire poland and baltic

that should make easier the invasion of ussr

because of wider frontline

[red gale]

opinions?

[scenic nacelle]

Hmmm

Not fast enough

[red gale]

it will be used with infantry

My main concern is reliability

afaik it used to be the case that reliability wasnt that important beyond 50%

but now I heard that it is

[hollow linden]

Well its in a quantity of 1, you're never gonna lose it

Its too low to matter

[red gale]

wym?

[hollow linden]

So rel doesnt matter for land cruisers

[hollow linden]

Out of all the equipment you are going to lose, losing something that you have exactly one of, is extremely unlikely

[red gale]

i have 630 of them, you mean in the division itself? why would the chances be lower because I have 1?

I dont get it

[hollow linden]

Ye in the div itself

[hollow linden]

Oh idk, how it exactly worked, all I know is that, the lower quantity something is in the division, the less likely it is to die to attrition

someone smarter than me can explain

[red gale]

So I should also skip the maintenance company for it?

[hollow linden]

Well yea

maintenance is shit

[red gale]

How much does this div suck?

[hollow linden]

Oh my god 💀

[red gale]

(im china, militia is really good here)

[hollow linden]

fking

YES

[hollow linden]

Yea then add more militia?

Ok so first of all, that one artillery isnt gonna do much, remove it. Why have spaa and land cruisers? The land cruiser by itself gives more AA and more armor, the spaa doesnt do anything. Use armored engineer, replace the maintenance with support arty or smth

[wild rune]

Bro, land cruiser?

[swift yew]

it says i dont have 50k inf equipment in army

[red gale]

late game commie china

production isnt an issue

[hollow linden]

Question is if its gonna do any good

Look at the terrain debuffs

It will die in anything that isnt plains

Its functionally useless outside of plains

[red gale]

do those apply to the whole division?

[hollow linden]

YES

[hollow linden]

Check deployment tab

How many guns do you have deployed

[swift yew]

okay

[drowsy vine]

wait you can actually build the P1000?

[red gale]

I mean the LC gives like X3 breaktrhough so even if it gets -50% attack it does seem to be worth it given that it takes up just one support company slot

[wild rune]

You have no initiative

[red gale]

Ill be honest I dont know what initiative does

[wild rune]

Put signal companies in

[wild rune]

Reinforce rate and coordination is what initiative does

[red gale]

reinforce rate is how quicly replacements come in, cool, but what does coordination do?

[wild rune]

Coordination focuses your attacks on one division and reinforce rate allows your divisions to enter battle quicker

It allows you to crit with less

[red gale]

hm

ok

what do you think about the land cruiser?

it just looks like a good way to add a lot of stats

[wild rune]

Its fine for a defensive template but imo its not good for offense

[red gale]

but it gives so much breakthru

[wild rune]

You know what else gives a lot of breakthrough?

With bonuses to terrains instead of terrible penalties?

[red gale]

tell me

[wild rune]

Medium Flame Tanks

[red gale]

well yeah but im already making those

and they dont give 300 breakthru

[scenic nacelle]

15% though 🔥

[wild rune]

300 breakthrough in exchange for terrain penalties

Imo that division is only good in Plains tiles

[swift yew]

49.6k

[red gale]

but the sheer stats that it gives compensate the penalties

[swift yew]

49.6k/49.6k how do i get it up

[hollow linden]

Lmaooooo

[hollow linden]

Just deploy more divs

[swift yew]

ok

[red gale]

it at most gives a 40% attack penalty on marshes, jungle sand rivers

but it adds an insane amount of stats

almost double the soft attack, triple the breakthru, more than triple hard attack

idk

the breakthru is just insane

@wild rune what would you do for such a late game scenario in your situation?

[wild rune]

Make tanks

Or

[scenic nacelle]

+2.2 org 🤑

[wild rune]

Gimme a sec

I'm finding the humble mech

This is peak

[red gale]

doctrines?

this is what I did

I didnt change them since the war with the japs

[hollow linden]

Yea that's nice, but if it's multiplied by - 100% what does that give you. Nothing. Hoi is all about stacking modifiers. Having negative ones is worse than having good base stats

Cuz they effectively don't matter then

[bronze grove]

land cruiser is the best support company of course. The only things keeping it back is

1. Extremely late game tech
2. Extremely resource intense (you have to do conversion memes)
3. terrain modifiers

[wild rune]

just build pure millitia at around 35w

[wild rune]

Then what I consider to be mandatory is signal companies logistic companies and hospital companies

[red gale]

well but what about armor?

what about breaktrhu?

I have so much industry

[hollow linden]

Mostly irrelevant

[hollow linden]

Armored recon does a fine job

And yea maybe making bigger inf is good too

Also air is important

[red gale]

wouldnt any of you change any doctrines?

[wild rune]

Make it a spacemarine if you must

[red gale]

I guess thee militia ones are fine

[wild rune]

I would but like

[red gale]

but the armor and arty ones

[wild rune]

Not the armor one

Armored Spearhead or whatever its called is peak

[red gale]

this is what I've been making

[wild rune]

Yeah this isn't good for pushing

[hollow linden]

Oh yes I would. So since you dont have dedicated tanks, use SFP grand doctrine, large unit tactics, mobile assault recon, streamlined deployment and grand assault

You're china you dont need manpower

[hollow linden]

Ouch

[red gale]

whats the problem?

[wild rune]

Bro is too late in the game🥀

[hollow linden]

So

For next time or smth

[wild rune]

Line arty for one

[hollow linden]

They asked

[wild rune]

I see

[wild rune]

Not using field hospitals

Which imo are up there for the best support company ever

[hollow linden]

For small divs its too expensive

[wild rune]

Womp womp

[hollow linden]

They should make bigger inf and then use them

[red gale]

should I use heli med?

[hollow linden]

nah normal is better

Xp loss matters, not trickleback

[red gale]

k so what shoudl I change in the div?

[wild rune]

Let me hop in a game rq to show

[wild rune]

Remove line artillery

[red gale]

it gives 72 SA

[wild rune]

Look at its organization and health stats

[red gale]

what should I replace it with?

is this doctrine trash>

[wild rune]

Also change your support subdoctrine from fire concentration to either mobile recon and assault or field engineering imo

[wild rune]

Its not until 1941

[red gale]

wym

[red gale]

what are those good for?

[wild rune]

Artillery is better than guns up until gun 3

[wild rune]

Mobile recon gives +10% breakthrough to your armored recon

Field engineering gives +5% soft attack to all inf mech and motorized when using the engineer company

Self Propelled Support is also good but Mobile Recon outclasses it with the breakthrough bonuses to armor variants

[red gale]

k then whats best given my militia army

[glacial steeple]

second

indiv excellence logi is by far the best

[wild rune]

Field engineering

Idk

You aren't going to change anything to add armored recon companys so

[wild rune]

Not real

[red gale]

excelent

[wild rune]

@glacial steeple is this true I forget the stat differences

[red gale]

so I should remove arty, and add what?

armored recon?

[wild rune]

Field hospitals

[glacial steeple]

gun 2 i bee leaf

[wild rune]

So even earlier ok

[red gale]

what should I replace the arty with

[glacial steeple]

what am i looking at

[red gale]

peak chinese excellency

[glacial steeple]

its definitely not peak

[wild rune]

Replace support arty with field hospitals and make it anywhere from 35-36w millitia

[glacial steeple]

ok

get rid of SPAA

get rid of artillery

[wild rune]

Not real

[glacial steeple]

replace it with idk 1-2 tanks

[red gale]

what about the spaa

[glacial steeple]

double your infantry

then its pretty good

[wild rune]

Listen to casey

[glacial steeple]

rn it does nothing correctly

its too small to attack

the tank doesnt add breakthrough which inf lacks

the artillery is just kind of there

and the hp is so low that despite adding a lot of support companies which will take a lot of equipment losses while attacking

it isnt like good

[red gale]

like this?

[glacial steeple]

but the support companies are good

thats fine that works yeah

[red gale]

what about the land cruiser?

I have 600 of them

[glacial steeple]

probably design your tanks to have more break

[glacial steeple]

terrific terrain debuffs never use

unless youre only in plains tiles or trolling

[red gale]

how do I get more breakthru then?>

[wild rune]

Design them better

[red gale]

this seems to have very little breaktrhu

[wild rune]

What is the difference between heli logi and regular logi, I forget.

[wild rune]

Pull up the tank designer

And design a breakthrough tank

[red gale]

?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-orange-cat-stare-cute-gif-3082793379085604256

[glacial steeple]

heli doesnt get buffed by indiv excellence so it sucks

[glacial steeple]

why not heavy turret

[red gale]

is this a meme? it gives infantry more speed

[glacial steeple]

why welded armor

[red gale]

more armor

[glacial steeple]

but

[wild rune]

This is bad

Not terrible

[glacial steeple]

its not that bad

[red gale]

less breakthru

[glacial steeple]

but its like 5 IC cheaper

per tank

[red gale]

well yeah

[wild rune]

You could choose it over field engineering

[glacial steeple]

and its like 3 break

[red gale]

how could I get the most out of it?

full heli companies?

[wild rune]

Nah

[red gale]

@glacial steeple whats wrong with welded armor?

30% more armor

[glacial steeple]

20% added cost

[red gale]

is it worth the armor drop?

[glacial steeple]

yes

armor is not the only stat

a large reason why you make tanks is for 1: attack stats

soft/hard depending on your opposing forces

2: breakthrough

[red gale]

what about this?

[glacial steeple]

only in third place comes armor

fire

[heady night]

heya, new to the game, how good is the 1hr tutorial on the hearts of iron 4 youtube channel?

[glacial steeple]

ill find my modern tank design

moderns suck but its like whatever

use them if youre bored

[red gale]

why

[glacial steeple]

look at point 1

this was for armor meme

idk if i have one that isnt armor meme

[red gale]

Brazilian? Im from argentina!, didnt know we were that close

[glacial steeple]

ofc riveted armor is better for you

[red gale]

cool

[red gale]

isnt armor worth it tho?

[glacial steeple]

better late game tank

[austere roost]

30/40 attack for 38.5 cost and 134 breakthrough?

[glacial steeple]

divisions use 40% of highest armor value

and 60% averaged

[red gale]

that means?

[glacial steeple]

so the idea is to have 1 high armor unit

for high armor

[austere roost]

that means your tank is a complete waste of resources

[glacial steeple]

now this doesnt really matter

piercing works the same and can always outpierce armor

[austere roost]

you need to stack soft/hard attack not breakthrough

[glacial steeple]

soft/hard > break > armor

is what you should focus on typically

you can really just ignore armor

[austere roost]

especially in sp since ai won't build a lot of piercing units

[glacial steeple]

because cost is important

[austere roost]

anything above 30 is good enough

[glacial steeple]

?

no its literally irrelevant

if you get pierced you deal less extra damage

but its whatever

[austere roost]

a modern tank will definitely have more than 30 armor

[glacial steeple]

add some armor clicks

[austere roost]

so basically, you don't need to worry about it

[glacial steeple]

AI will get 100+ piercing

very lategame

it takes them forever tho

[austere roost]

oh wait this is a modern tank

[austere roost]

because it gives almost no meaningful buffs but cost much more to build, 50 xp to replace all your divisions, and can't get sideguns

in hoi4 often times the older the equipment, the better it is in the game because of cost-benefit analysis

[glacial steeple]

its actively detrimental

you cannot put secondary turrets on

but whatever, if youre bored and playing lategame go have fun with it

the only buff they get is 5% amphibious/river over a medium

with worse armor and attack than either a heavy or a medium

[austere roost]

your goal isn't to build the best thing, it should be to build enough things to equip your divisions by the time you need to go to war (3909 for ger/fra/eng/ita and 4106 for ussr/usa)

yeah no secondary maching guns is so stupid

[glacial steeple]

i think this is bad advice

[austere roost]

also the primary turret is more expensive but less breakthrough iirc

[glacial steeple]

you want to go to war at different times in different scenarios

and ahist exists

you want to attack when you have the most meaningful advantage over your opponents

germany vs allies is the most germany biased 1937 to late 1938

after that, france could have tanks ready

thats just an example

[austere roost]

the dates are just an example

[glacial steeple]

for south america for example youre playing argentina

you need to unite the continent by 1939

[austere roost]

if you can burst out the divisions required by 1937 then you should attack in 1937

[glacial steeple]

because otherwise itd be better to play brasil for scaling

its important to teach people not about just "strenght"

its about relative strenght

[red gale]

yeah ur right look at this

[glacial steeple]

your strenght potential could be higher, if at a certain point your enemy relative strenght is higher, then that means in that moment youre vulnerable

and this same thing goes for your enemies

[austere roost]

get two heavy machine guns, you don't need that sloped armor

[glacial steeple]

replace armor skirts and sloped with heavy machine guns

more attack stats

[austere roost]

139 breakthrough is useless

[glacial steeple]

its not in his div

[red gale]

sacrifice the breakthru?

[glacial steeple]

its mostly inf

[glacial steeple]

yeah

[red gale]

also are the armor clicks a waste?

[glacial steeple]

they add break

[austere roost]

yes

[glacial steeple]

break is your defense when attacking

[wild rune]

No

[glacial steeple]

it means your enemies crit you less

[austere roost]

also don't forget to click the mio upgrade

[red gale]

@glacial steeple should I?

[glacial steeple]

if you want to

its not bad

[red gale]

is it worth it?

[glacial steeple]

but its not great

[red gale]

I feel like the artie subdoctrine is useless

I dont use arty

[glacial steeple]

what do you have rn?

[austere roost]

which mio is it? why does it give -3% soft attack

[glacial steeple]

spg doctrine is nice

[red gale]

commie china things

[glacial steeple]

guerrilla war is pointless for you

go grand assault

[red gale]

why?

[glacial steeple]

look at the stats

its good when youre planning to be occupied

[red gale]

it gives militia a flat 10% SA and 20% defense

[glacial steeple]

grand assault does that too

[red gale]

but yeah the rest of the bonuses are political

[glacial steeple]

10% planning is 10% in battle modifier

[austere roost]

oh but it's -15% production cost, that's amazing

[red gale]

what

[glacial steeple]

same division

modifiers matter

green good

[red gale]

tf are these stats

[glacial steeple]

vanilla

[red gale]

yeah but how

[glacial steeple]

it says in the screenshot

theyre multiplicative

[red gale]

yeah ik but how do you even get 90% planning bonus

should I go air cav or what?

I have self propelled super heavy howitzers btw

[glacial steeple]

siege arty is meta

because terrain buffs

[red gale]

idk these seem kinda weak

[austere roost]

so for example here is a 100 atk spg for the price of 13 and 7xp

[tardy mesa]

how do i get rid of yugos independence by france im like into my first 3 hours of playing this game

[cold bloom]

Its removed if France lets Germany annex Czechoslovakia

[scenic salmon]

what is the meta for single player doctrines?

I know artillery tanks are meta atm, but wasnt sure what doctrines are best

[glacial steeple]

well

indiv excellence - spg - idk something that gives break - grand assault would be good

under sfp

[scenic salmon]

wasnt sure if going Mobile warfare or sticking to grand battle either

[glacial steeple]

gbp is good too

[scenic salmon]

okay, thx

[open tinsel]

plese help

[scenic salmon]

r u at war with Denmark?

i see a front line with no attack/defend icons

[scenic nacelle]

Hold that river in Venice in Italy

Same for those 3 Swiss tiles/the French-Swiss alps

[scenic salmon]

itally probably gonna civil war , so u wanna hold them off

[scenic nacelle]

Try ur best to attack the coast in the north of the Netherlands

Should be like 3-4 ports

If u take them that entire army should be dead

[scenic salmon]

might wanna have 1 army to guard naval ports, dont see any armies set to protect them

once they get naval bases, they can supply their invasion, if they land without ports, they slowly burn up

no navy supremacy atm, so theyll keep navy invading

could make some navy bombers and some fighters to protect them and keep air supremacy

[scenic nacelle]

The AI doesn’t naval invade more if there is already a naval invasion 90% of the time

[scenic salmon]

I mean as general rule

[scenic nacelle]

Oh yeah

[scenic salmon]

if they have navy supremacy theyll navy invade when they can, so preventing them getting ports during landings helps deal with them

otherwise theyre a pain to push out

trying to remember template for navy port guards, think its a generic 9-inf with air and artillery support, and engineer

[fluid verge]

imma ask here again what kind of defensive build do i even do at this point
i tried

• bunkering down with entrenchment in like a few tiles with lvl 6+ forts (i got max 30% entrenchment with rushing engineers 3 in 1939-1940 as well)
• spamming a bunch of 18 width infantry with AA, arty and engineer support companies
• building weird ass mechs with SPGs to minimize damage taken by units

like idk i wanna make this dumbass challenge work

[crystal pollen]

Why didnt i get spain as a puppet? i helped them win the civil war

[scenic salmon]

sending in volunteers doesnt make them a puppet

[twilit canopy]

I encountered an issue where my philippine puppet didn’t create the maphilindo formable. I know it’s possible for it to form it as I’ve had puppet Philippines form it before. Both the previous and current time I was playing the Chinese empire formed by a Chinese warlord.

Are there any other factors that affect whether a formable is possible. I’m thinking it might be a mod, but I’d rather ask if anyone knows anything before I do a playthrough just to check.

[crystal pollen]

what makes them a puppet 🙁

[scenic salmon]

unless you have some focus that makes them a puppet, go to war with them and puppet them

but the civil war is basically a bunch of spanish groups wanting power over spain, so doesnt make sense to have a civil war and become a puppet to another nation

[crystal pollen]

ah, i found the answer on reddit, they need to do a focus during the civil war which makes them a puppet after the war

sucks 🙁

[scenic nacelle]

Wait

[scenic salmon]

I thought theyhad to be independant to form a formable nation

sometimes nations can only form certain nations if they have a particular ideology or focus, not just territories

like EU is democratic formed only, but there are some loopholes

[tardy mesa]

will germany attack austria if its my puppet?

[crystal pollen]

yes

[scenic salmon]

If they declare war on a puppet, i believe it automatically pulls you into war as well

[bronze geyser]

is this a good template?

for late game

[scenic salmon]

id put anti air in support, remove the wrench (mechanic i think its called) support and have field hospital and logistics

as for line artiller, line tank destroyers, line artillery is good for attack, line tank destroyers only worth it if your fighting an enemy with large tank divisions

but for late game, putting in a tank division in there will boost your breakthrough and defense against enemy attacks

much better than line artillery

[bronze geyser]

something like this then?

[scenic salmon]

this is an infantry only template

has tank destroyer in the support

[tardy mesa]

how do i do this my army manpower is 800k

[scenic salmon]

if you have planes, use those for air support, otherwise you can probably swap out anti tank guns for anti air support

[scenic salmon]

i wouldnt do 1 of each tank in the template

medium tanks are generally all around the best, heavy tanks are more for multiplayer from what Ive heard

light tanks ive seen are mostly used for armored/tank recon support

[bronze geyser]

deploy a ton of infantry

[bronze geyser]

ok ok
ill try your templates and see if it works

tyty

[scenic salmon]

basically ur template needs to reflect what resources u currently have

so if you can make tanks en mass, tanks are best for attack

but if your resources are limited, infantry is better because you can make more of them

manpower same thing, if your nation is smaller, smaller templates will give you larger army sizes

otherwise you have a small army of larger templates, which is bad if you have a large front line or multiple fronts to deal with

so i think 18-20w is best for smaller nations, and then 35w for larger

[idle orchid]

i was playing italy, im in war with romania at least for 1 year :/

nobody is moving :/

[idle arch]

I have played as france germany and uk and won what country should I play next

[scenic salmon]

try a minor nation in europe, belgium can form EU but its very difficult

and greece can form byzantine empire or alexanders empire

[idle arch]

What doctrine

[tardy mesa]

how do i end this

[idle arch]

I wanna do a nation that is relevant in ww2

[pallid locust]

U cant

Its just there it doesent mean war

[tender halo]

Hey guys, i keep getting this error whenever i try to launch the game, does anybody know how to solve this?

İ deleted the mods, dowloanded .netframe but it did not fix it

[inner mountain]

whats the best strat to kill belgium and luxembourg and go after the uk as communist netherlands?

non hist

[eager juniper]

Guys, when should i start building refineries as germany?

[static turret]

You dont have to build refineries if you just cap britian frdr

[austere roost]

no, build a medium aa instead

right now armor variants are much better than regular tanks because they require less vehicles in a battalion and because they can get buffs from both the art and armor branch

[static turret]

Tbh I make planes in interwar and its enough to completely cripple british airforce so I just stop plane production till I cap uk

But If I wa sgonna do refinary

İd start early 39

[eager juniper]

thanks :D.

another question, when the game starts, do i keep my planes or sell them on the international market?

[static turret]

Paratroops id say?

[static turret]

İf yoy can just sell em since default planes are kinda ass

[eager juniper]

ok, thanks

[static turret]

But also depends

[eager juniper]

?

[static turret]

İf ur bot gonna make planes just keep em

İf ur gonna make better planes u can sell

İf you need any plane you fan get keep it

[eager juniper]

ok

[austere roost]

you'll want to keep enough bombers for spain

[static turret]

Oh yeah true mb I forgor ab spain lmao

Keep 200 bombers yeha

[eager juniper]

i always forget to send volunteers to spain

;-;.

[austere roost]

i think with contor you can send more

[static turret]

Same

[austere roost]

also you can send to china

ofc that's in 1937

contour focus also allows you to send more to china

[eager juniper]

do i upgrade my light tank at the start of the game? making a better design?

[static turret]

Make a really cheap breaktrough light tank and put like 2-4 factories for recon light

Apart from that no

[eager juniper]

?

[static turret]

The only light tank youll produce as germany

İs light recon company for mediym tanks

[austere roost]

you don't need light

unless you're making light spgs

but that's just early game spam

[eager juniper]

spgs?

[austere roost]

self propelling guns, the artillery variant of tanks

tank variants are meta now because they only need 40 in each battalion instead of 50 and can get buffs from both the artillery and armor doctrine branch

you can get like 70 soft attack for just the cost of like 4.5 with light spgs

[eager juniper]

artillery tank? thats cool

[austere roost]

just put a howitzer on your chassis and select the artillery variant in the dropdown menu

[eager juniper]

how do i get a howitzer?

[austere roost]

scroll through your tech

hint: howitezr is a type of artillery gun so where do you think you should search

[eager juniper]

artillery :D.

[austere roost]

or just consult wiki https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Artillery_technology

[eager juniper]

i found the howitzers! thanks :).

[austere roost]

so for example here you get 100 soft attack at the cost of 13 and only 7xp. It's dirt cheap for 1943

[eager juniper]

what is production cost?

[austere roost]

meawhile 1943 "advanced artillery" is 34 soft attack

a mil factory can provide a certain amount of production

a mil factory with 0 buffs provides 4.5 production per day, so the spg would require a no buff mil factory 3 days to produce

[eager juniper]

?

[austere roost]

the same "advanced" artillery" also has 0 armor, and when your armor is much higher than the enemy's piercing, you take half damage

the spg's cost is 13.3, so the factory that produces 4.5 every day will need 3 days to produce one

[eager juniper]

now i understand

thanks

[austere roost]

that's why concentrated is almost always better than dispersed because concentrated provides more factory output buffs

[eager juniper]

ok

[austere roost]

for example with ussr you can get like 140 production efficiency cap and like +150% factory output modifier so one factory gives about 15.75 output. You can get a cheap 8 cost tank/spg in 1941 so 150 such factories would give you almost 300 tanks every day or almost enough to equip one tank division

[eager juniper]

:).

[unreal verge]

Guys i just won against japan as china. How do i unify china now? All the warlords are in my faction and shanxi was the only one who accepted tp be my puppet

Hello?

[honest epoch]

hello

so now that they in your faction you cant invade them

so

ur kinda cooked bud those warlords are not yur territory

[hasty belfry]

Does the field engineering sub doctrine meaningfully increase the defensive capabilities of your units with engineers?

[hexed parcel]

Hey guys just wondering how does one assign a paradrop more simpler

I know how to set the order it's just assigning the transport planes I find complex

[minor ruin]

what do you mean by this?

[minor ruin]

if they're in your faction and not a puppet, you literally can't do anything about it unless you kick them. also, you can't really unify china as japan, you either need to annex all the warlords and then probably release a puppet or do that reorganized china thing

youy're cooked

[unreal verge]

Im china

[minor ruin]

oh

i misread that

you cannot unless you do subjigate the warlords

then you get options to slowly decrease autonomy

[hexed parcel]

I'll simplify it soz
I can set up the order to paradrop however when I go to execute the order the transport planes need to be assigned idk how to do that

[minor ruin]

i think you need planes statioend at the same airport whjere they drop form

[hexed parcel]

I'll give it another shot could've been just a mistake

But mind you

Paradropping is DIFFICULT

Even with cas

[minor ruin]

what?

iirc is it not air superiority? and a few good divisions with transport planes?

[hexed parcel]

Like actually getting a successful landing I mean

Just dont get the raw stats

[minor ruin]

oh yeah make a mad dash for ports and vps

[minor ruin]

pretty sure your units get a debuff if there's a unit on the tile you plan to land on, if not they're just kind of like immediately encircled, if you make decent paratrooper divs you can stall for other invasions\

[raven maple]

Hey how do I make a fighter a carrier fighter

[warped knoll]

what do i change

[hexed parcel]

So pretty much the only way to beat the UK fleet is high seas fleet

[minor ruin]

no just make a ton of fighters and destroy the raf

[hexed parcel]

That doesn't necessarily get me naval superiority tho unfortunately

[minor ruin]

i'm so confused

what does that have anything to do with paratroopers

[hexed parcel]

I'm not on about that anymore bro soz

I was meant to say

The only way to beat the UK is by navy

[warped knoll]

no

[minor ruin]

where did you come to this conclusion?

[warped knoll]

paratroopers w air sup

wad are you able to offer any insight about the template

med tanks

[minor ruin]

i'm not a template man

[warped knoll]

i was told light tanks are shitty

[warped knoll]

i see

[minor ruin]

more org is nicer

[trail remnant]

Hello all, it has been a long time since I last played (9 years!) Can anyone guide me through the basics via stream?

[minor ruin]

what's the last dlc you remember playing?

[trail remnant]

none, I played the base game but I do own all DLCs

[minor ruin]

do you plan on playing with dlcs?

[trail remnant]

yes

[minor ruin]

all?

[trail remnant]

yes

[minor ruin]

there's gonna be alot to unpack

ig i can

[trail remnant]

i have abasic concept of the game, just need some guidance

[minor ruin]

when you stream i'll join you

[trail remnant]

ok, is there a certain channel I should go to?

[minor ruin]

usually it's helping lounge

hold on

I just gotta do something @trail remnant

[sleek remnant]

We should talk about it sometime

Someone I know from a very small server

[hexed parcel]

36 width only got like 130 soft tho

[warped knoll]

i’m at 34 with 237

[bronze geyser]

chat,
why when i declare war on another country my stability and war support just drops to 0?
how can i avoid that?

[hexed parcel]

Paratrooper division

[hexed parcel]

Also you can get like heavy tanks that have 500 soft and 600 hard by 1939

[pliant condor]

best not to make tank without dlc

[pliant condor]

being in an offensive war reduces your war support by 20%

and not having 100% war support while at war reduces your stability

[bronze geyser]

oh ok

cuz im playing the french empire path, so when i declare war against belgium and other countries it drops

[austere roost]

france starts with extremely low stab, war support, and the disjointed government debuff, so your priority should be to fix that so you don't get into civil war in an actual war

[bronze geyser]

yup

[warped knoll]

yo i did germany again

this time made medium tanks

but when i look at my deploy menu

it says i’m 6400k tanks short

i’ve got 22 factories making med tanks rn

^ disregard

[thin quest]

Does anyone know the best focus tree for volunteers? I’m just curious cuz I want to do a play though where I send a bunch of of volunteers to see what happens

[fierce idol]

as germany, is it better to annex or puppet canada if I want to take america?

[idle arch]

What's a good inf template for attacking

[warped knoll]

ideally your infantry is your defensive line

[idle arch]

I'm playing a minor nation tho

[austere roost]

you can make cheap light spgs

[idle arch]

I said minor nation

[austere roost]

you can get like 70 soft attack for like 4-5 production cost

i said 4-5 production cost

[warped knoll]

is there any downside to promoting ace pilots

[austere roost]

also it provides some armor and breakthrough

[idle arch]

Can u show design and template

[austere roost]

have you ever tried to design a cheap tank?

[idle arch]

No not really

[cold bloom]

Yugoslavia has a communist branch where you instigate revolutions that you then support with volunteers

If not that, then Trotsky might be nice

[idle arch]

I'm doing it rn it's soo FUNN

[austere roost]

i don't have one now with me but this is a medium example. Just replace it with light

[idle arch]

Is this even a tank

[austere roost]

yes it's a tank

give your light a close support gun or howitzer if you can and make it artillery instead of tank

[austere roost]

with 120 divisions of these you can cap germany as ussr in 3 months and 2 months of it is microing your troops so they occupy all of france before germany surrenders

[idle arch]

Are u playing ussr

[warped knoll]

also you were def right about med tanks

[austere roost]

yes this is a ussr example

[warped knoll]

they shred everything

[austere roost]

because ai is stupid, this division won't work in mp

[idle arch]

Should I use 1934 light

[warped knoll]

rush med

[austere roost]

he's yugoslavia

[warped knoll]

oh

disregard whatever i say

[austere roost]

light spgs are enough

[warped knoll]

is getting panzer vi worth it

or are panzer 3s good enough

[austere roost]

the important thing about tank design: you want to max soft attack vs cost's ratio in sp. So the base design is just a howitzer and nothing else. The only other two things you can consider are heavy machine guns (med can have two of them) because they give a lot of soft attack for how cheap they are (second cannons are traps in sp) and easy maintenance which gives reliability and -10% cost (unlocked by 1939 maintenance tech). If you want to further improve put some additional machine guns because they're the only other thing giving soft attack

[austere roost]

panzer 3 or 1938 chassis is perfectly fine for sp, in mp you want heavies because everyone will max out piercing so you need to buff up the armor

[warped knoll]

ok

what about getting enough tungsten

constantly short

[austere roost]

just trade

[warped knoll]

all my stuff gets intercepted

[austere roost]

or take sweden

or take portugal

once you own denmark you control the kiel which means british ships can't raid your baltic trade route

[warped knoll]

omg fall of france in a week

[warped knoll]

👍

[warped knoll]

is it better to develop vichy france or exploit

[fierce idol]

germany, need to conquer usa, do I annex canada or puppet?

[sand ember]

It shouldn’t really matter

Puppet probably better for supply reasons?

[neat widget]

Probably puppet the rest of Canada and only annex like Ontario, Quebec, and the Maritimes (the parts of Canada that actually count)

[warped knoll]

my troops are fighting against last stand

[neat widget]

The giant Canadian border will divert troops away from actually defending places like New York

[warped knoll]

but how do i make them stop attacking for 7 days

so i just turn the arrow off

or hold my tanks and keep my infantry running

[sand ember]

Unpress the battleplan button and press H perchance

If you want everyone to stop attacking

[warped knoll]

but i don’t want them to build org

[sand ember]

What

[warped knoll]

ok look

sorry for quality

[sand ember]

Oh man

Zero supply gaming

[warped knoll]

or do i just keep pushing entirely

[warped knoll]

yes but i’m basically there

got it on aggressive

[sand ember]

Maybe don’t battlepaln and instead micromanage your divisions

So the attack is more effective?

[warped knoll]

i’m not really microing

at all

[neat widget]

No supply gaming

[warped knoll]

bro

[neat widget]

But yeah halt of course

[warped knoll]

so then as i said do i halt everything or just my tanks

[warped knoll]

ok what do i do for supply then

[neat widget]

halt everything

[warped knoll]

ok

all there is a frontline

[neat widget]

And also probably motorize your supply

[warped knoll]

alr

[idle arch]

No supply gaming

[warped knoll]

yeah i got that bro

[idle arch]

Yugoslavia is so cracked kn communism holy

[fierce idol]

is an army group enough to conquer USA?

[austere roost]

120 units?

Depends on the division but it's perfectly fine

Tbh you can conquer USA with just one unit if it can occupy 80% of victory points before usa recaptures them

[fierce idol]

like if I don't bring canada into the war, can I just make my way down to florida, then start bringing everyone west? also I don't have to worry about alaska or anything right?

[austere roost]

you don't need to worry about alsaka

ai doesn't make alaska a core

and yes, you can just focus on the german border since canada isn't in war

if you don't have any collab governments you'll need to cross the rockies

[fierce idol]

no dlcs (except integrated) so i'm guessing so

[vital geode]

Why not just invade across the entire US. New England is a supply dead zones if you don't own the ports

You also get the benefits of the West Coast VPs being taken as well

[austere roost]

is this a bug? chuikov's attack is 11 but it's shown as 10

[fossil rain]

This gon sound stupid, bug someone give me a rundown on how to play the soviets. In my entire 1,300 hours of hoi4, maybe like 2 of those were dedicated to the soviets, and even then, I used console commands. I just dont want to play that big of a country cus the bad supply, attrition, and horrible infrastructure scares me. (I mostly will probably play non-historical) i also have all dlc

[cold garnet]

Just play it blind couple of times

[pliant condor]

can't go over 10

[austere roost]

the display can't go over 10?

[pliant condor]

the actual attack can't go over 10

[austere roost]

oh sad

[subtle tinsel]

Strongest UK puppet to play?

[neat widget]

Imagine if they make 9/4s with motorized recon though

and also only have 200 factories by 1941

[neat widget]

India probably

[fossil rain]

sounds like a fine idea

[neat widget]

do not do what i said though

[fossil rain]

is it worth playing after Graveyard of empires

[neat widget]

Yeah very much so

[fossil rain]

alr, ill probably give it a try

[warped knoll]

i justified against protectorate of albania cus they were in the way, declared and only saw what happened afterward

in a war with italy

[deft wyvern]

Is anyone able to help me with paradroppers? I have 78 transport planes, and it says "an additional air wing is required" when trying to transport 4 6 wide paratroopers.

Is there a calculation for division/battlion size to transport planes I need to know?

[warped knoll]

and it’s not going exquisite

[deft wyvern]

I thought 78 planes should be able to transport 4 divisions?

[neat widget]

You would need 200 planes

and division size no longer matters

So make them as large as you can

[dry otter]

So i havent played too much of the new dlc, what is the best sub-doctrine for Germany? Is it armoured spearhead still or streamlined production?

[deft wyvern]

I see so 1 division = 50 planes

[warped knoll]

@neat widget what do i do🙏

[deft wyvern]

Thank you 🙂

[neat widget]

Oh yeah Italy guarantees Albania at the start of the game

which country are you and how is your situation

[warped knoll]

germany

i’ve got a lot of shit

france is gone

all balkans gone

poland gone

switzerland gone

it’s legit only me and italy in europe

with republic of spain and portugal

247 divisions available

i’ve got 120 divisions sitting on defense by the british naval invasion coast

[sudden meadow]

Is this salvageable

Manchukuo and the entire Korean Peninsula fell and China screwed me over which didnt help too much either

[neat widget]

I mean, Italy shouldn't be that hard to take down

[warped knoll]

getting over the swiss alps is really annoying

and my troops are stuck in the eastern border cus of supplies

i’m just holding the line for the supply hubs to finish

[neat widget]

You have France, so you may want to push from there

[warped knoll]

i have rommel with a 24 stack of med tanks

i can try pushing it through fence

france

ty for idea

[neat widget]

Push along the coast where there aren't mountains but there are the ports of Marseilles, Toulon, and Nice

[fossil rain]

How do I fix this issue

Im planning to go Tsarist

wait...why did they start the civil war so early?

I couldn't get down the paranoia

I got a event to either choose bad generals or increased paranoia, so I chose the latter

[glacial steeple]

thats how it works

[glacial steeple]

also you dont keep generals anyway when tsarist/fascist

[left glacier]

You need to juggle stalin's paranoia and events that get you stronger in the civil war

[glacial steeple]

only a small chance of getting some back

[fossil rain]

oh

so I assume purging the generals was the better option

ima restart the run

[glacial steeple]

its not that bad

maybe youll get them but the chance is too low to care

[left glacier]

Don't forget to do state decisions to take control of parts of Siberia

Especially on railroads

[fossil rain]

I tried, but they were greyed out

also, why Siberia? its terrible infrastructure

[glacial steeple]

you gotta do them one at a time and have pp for it

[glacial steeple]

gotta take states to go west

[fossil rain]

I had 120

[fossil rain]

hm

[fossil rain]

also, should I give Vladivostok to the Japanese for help or whatever?

[glacial steeple]

do you want to have vladivostok?

[fossil rain]

I mean...it looks pretty nice

Ill give up Sakhlin instead

nvm they refused

[glacial steeple]

you dont have to give anything up

you can though

if you do the oil rights you can use some german generals during the civil war

which is useless

but its a cool feature

that they didnt use again in BBA

so if you do it right as ethiopia you can steal 2 soviet generals

forever

on communist path

one of them being the camo guy

[shut edge]

question, is there anyway I can get denmark to join mittel europa or can I not

[fossil rain]

oh, makes about sense anyway lol gotcha, well thanks for the help, im probably gonna ask for more help later on anyway on whatever ends up happening

[fossil rain]

tbh, I doubt it, they're already in the Allies it seems like

[shut edge]

wack

[fossil rain]

well, at leaset to my knowledge, Im not completly sure, unless they're kicked out, or denmark goes facist or communist then they leave

but, I mean, the faction thing in my opinion still isn't even that fixed that much

like, in ona my games, democratic france and communist britain were in the same faction

just because they were at war with Mexico

like, they shoulda left the faction after that, but no, they even attacked the soviets together after that too

[shut edge]

bruh

out of nowhere yugoslavia went communist

wtf

[scenic salmon]

So anti tank support is worthless

[vital geode]

In singleplayer, yes

[scenic salmon]

thought it would prevent germans from punching through my lines, had max fort on front line, nothin mattered

[vital geode]

36 widths are not good for thr defense

That is how you get reinforce memed

Your standard 18 width is a really good defensive unit

What you need is support AA

Support AA also pierces tanks

[scenic salmon]

ah okay

[vital geode]

Also, an airforce in general negates most of Germany's offensive power

[scenic salmon]

same everything just 18w with aa?

[vital geode]

Basically

[scenic salmon]

okay ill use that next time

[vital geode]

Your choice if you want to rush in and save Belgium

Note you can easily get overran

Especially if you dont have air superiority

[scenic salmon]

trying to form EU and need all lowlands, germany and italy

playing democracies suck ass

[vital geode]

Nah

[scenic salmon]

plus france focus tree is terrible, nothing to form EU

[vital geode]

France is a fun defensive challenge or fun in the fact you get to vaporize Germany

[vital geode]

No need

Just beat up the nazis and soviets

Or you dont join allies and take all the land I guess

Who needs extra cores when you can gain extra allies

[scenic salmon]

idk, been having terrible runs lately and nothing seems to matter

[vital geode]

Little Entente is funny as it is the "kill all nondemocracies" path

And you get to lead the Allies

Since you can invite the British

[scenic salmon]

yeah, idk its probably my path of focuses thats messing me up, I tried to get high collab with my puppets/territories and non of them join for me to core

wasted maybe a year trying to get those focuses for none of them to join when they had 80% or more

Belgium is even worse, 1 doesnt join and you basically lose ur EU run

[indigo sapphire]

are mods good to use

[scenic salmon]

and its all rng, high favorability doesnt matter

[scenic salmon]

there are a few mods that are good, but theyre are ones that cancel ur achievements

[indigo sapphire]

oh alr

i do have a LOT of good mods

[scenic salmon]

basically UI ones are fine and dont affect ur achievement gains

ones that change game mechanics do affect achievements

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[neat widget]

there should be aa and signal companies somewhere in here

as said you struggle to reinforce in time with 36-widths, so if you want to do large bricks you need initiative from somewhere

thus the signals

also the germans have a lot of cas so using aa would stop that to some extent

If you're going mountaineers, rangers, or people's militia you don't need signals since those give initiative

[scenic salmon]

okay, yeah i was using the 36w because I was thinking the larger size would make it take less losses and was meant to be an offensive push, but it didnt do anything

but i probably need a different 36 infantry template anyways for offense

[hazy tulip]

who got owb discord server link

[scenic salmon]

oh what research speed boost do you recommend to stop at? I usually go mechanical and stop there

[shut edge]

alright chat, whats the plan here

We got the nords to the north and then the brits

lowkey thinking of setting up port garrisions

then rush france, destroy uk fleet and then win

luckilly the US isnt in

fuuuuuck

the US joined

I think im gonna take out russia first

then concentrate my power on tapping out europe

[fossil rain]

Do I have to justify upon each of these countries?

they're all democracies, what if they join the allies

[glacial steeple]

you have a focus for it

[fossil rain]

oh thank god

ok thanks

[glacial steeple]

but you can let them be if youre like bored

[fossil rain]

I was considering it

I might do a world but it's all fragmented

[scenic salmon]

Need a new offensive infantry template,

does spg work in infantry templates or only normal tanks

[fathom thistle]

You need only like 3-4 armies of these for world conquest

[fossil rain]

Do I still gain a wargoal once I annex them via this focus?

like, if they refuse

or do I do the other focus

which oneeee

[glacial steeple]

lthey get spawn ins in the civil war

theres also a command to force certain nations to spawn

if you wanna play idk kazakhstan

ukraine

[fossil rain]

mhmm, ive done that once before, but ill mess around with it more ig

[scenic salmon]

ill try that out thx

[fossil rain]

which oneeeee

I want to take back control, so I'd do the right one, but the left one asks them instead, so if they refuse, can i still declare?

I just dont want puppets

[gentle crest]

This is a dictatorship

[neat widget]

bring breakways back into the fold then

[neat widget]

Well

You know

[deft wyvern]

Hey, why does it say "no paratroopers in command group". When I have 2 paratroopers?

[fossil rain]

So i declare on them?

[neat widget]

Yeah, should give you war goals

[deft wyvern]

Ok I fixed it, had to change template and change back again

[deft wyvern]

Is there anyway to take guns away from a division? When training 2 width divisions to get past special forces cap they take a lot of guns. I turned off new equipment, disabled all weapons and even changed the template to just 1 anti air 2 width instead of the infantry. But I didn't get back the guns, is there anything else I can do or only solution to disband them?

[fathom thistle]

Convert to tank division

[deft wyvern]

Ah tanks works intersting

thank you

[minor ruin]

or disable guns using the division thing

[deft wyvern]

I tried that, but it didn't seem to work

[minor ruin]

oh

uh you could adjust priority

[deft wyvern]

Yah priority also lowest haha