modding

[plucky crystal]

@proper acorn

sorry for ping

but i trying make this 3 weeks

😭

[proper acorn]

click on the event option and switch to Russia to see if it arrives

wait 1 day as you defined

[proper acorn]

No problem

[plucky crystal]

I tried

wait maybe

maybe this?

something

making?

@proper acorn

[proper acorn]

you set it to happen in 10 days

When you click on the option it will take 10 days for the event to arrive in Russia

[plucky crystal]

ok, but it still hasn't arrived

@proper acorn

[proper acorn]

Does the debug say anything?

[knotty tide]

hello

everyone

[plucky crystal]

does he tell me something?

yes

some

[knotty tide]

i wanna make some few couple or more mods to add new units and templates

[plucky crystal]

@proper acorn

[proper acorn]

say what?

[plucky crystal]

Where is debug?

[toxic mirage]

Steam/select hoi4 game/ put -debug into proprieties

[proper acorn]

the debug tells you what is wrong

https://youtu.be/aMhmkrYOvMk?si=Ib5IKd2lvR1v3SOb

@plucky crystal

[autumn cloak]

idk how to mod and honestly it seems like a lot of work

[plucky crystal]

@proper acorn

[proper acorn]

577 errors

☠️

[plucky crystal]

yeah

XD

how to fix it? 😭 🧐 😂 XD

[proper acorn]

What is the name of the file that contains the events?

[plucky crystal]

events

[proper acorn]

in debug search the file name to see errors

[plucky crystal]

here?

[proper acorn]

Yes

Search: "res_res"
"rew_rew"

[short vault]

Is there a ship modifier on incoming damage from air only?

[haughty bison]

i'll go backwards

thanks

[distant moat]

Lol

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3245266695 my mod is coming along decently, feel free to check it out

[peak rover]

o cholera polak

[rich cradle]

where in game files I can find list of all regions with buildings and limits for factories?

[distant moat]

History/states

Building limits are defined by state_category =
Within state files

Regions can be found in map/strategic_regions

[rich cradle]

hm...

I see weather and provinces id

but dont see region type

And I see csv file with terrain for provinces

Hm... I think it too late. I should leave it for tomorrow.

Thx, for help.

[upbeat valve]

Can anyone here tell me the graphics mods used in this photo, I’ve spent about two hours looking and can’t find anything similar. Sorry if this is in the wrong channel but I didn’t know which one to use, thank you for any help with this

[next turret]

Hey do yk the name of the mod that allows you to put factories on production lines by x10

[upbeat valve]

You can do that in the normal game, no?

[obtuse condor]

think so

im confused about the question

hitting the x5 or x10 button beside it

[desert current]

Can’t tell you the exact mods but the shaders that would be used in this photo are all located in the FX folder

[late vector]

This is like the most classic alt hist lol what mod is this

Literally every single hoi4 alt hist cliché rolled into one

[wintry geode]

does anyone know where i can find the populations of the belgian provinces?

1920-1949

ish

[ashen mural]

irl?

[wintry geode]

yes

[ashen mural]

ask chatgpt

[wintry geode]

nah

1936...

it says 2015

bing ai is garbage

[full raft]

https://statbel.fgov.be/en/themes/population/structure-population#figures
Here you can at least get the Numbers for Flanders and Walloon, the two States in the Basegame. For greater Division, I would suggest looking into Major Cities in the States you want to create and to try to go from there (sum up the Major Cities, roughly, data is tough to come by, then remove that from the Basegame State)
That is about what I would suggest

[plucky crystal]

no a jak bratku

[plucky crystal]

tez modujesz?

[hard mirage]

Też polaczek 💪

Robię moda swojego ale mam błąd z newsami bo znikły zdjęcia i teraz prubuje się domyśleć dlaczego

[rich cradle]

Do anybody know where to get info about provinces in the game?

I mean the file

Something I can read through a programm

I found a file with strategic regions and file with strategic regions of each country, but cant find a file with provinces for strategic regions

[summer lotus]

the only data on province is actually terrain tile and port location anyway

[full raft]

I don't believe there is such a file. You have a number of Files in the Mapfolder, where the provinces are defined. After that the Files describing the States list, which numbers are included in that State and then those States are collected to Strategic regions

[summer lotus]

which is part of the map file

[rich cradle]

hm... thats pretty bad

[full raft]

What are you trying to do?

[rich cradle]

I can simulate economy but typing every province sound too much

[rich cradle]

I made a program for economy simulation and I need data about factories and provinces for each state

[full raft]

Oh, well the States files are in the History Folders. Factories and similar is stored there.

So history->states and then in those files

[rich cradle]

oh, I see.

It have all the buildings

and even owner

great

thanks!

now I just need a way to read this stuff in python

[full raft]

https://realpython.com/read-write-files-python/ Tutorial I found with a quick Google, go from there

[full raft]

Czy mówisz po angielsku? Tłumacze często nie są najlepszej jakości. W każdym razie podejrzewam błąd w pliku eventpictures.gfx w folderze "interface".

[rich cradle]

I know this stuff, I talking about converting txt into my objects.

But it would be nice if there are way to turn txt into dict

I think devs should use some kind of format

And it should be tranformbl

[full raft]

ah okay, well I can't help you with that. Currently I'm Java-Exclusive.
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/how-to-create-a-python-dictionary-from-text-file/ is the best I can do.
Also, I think the Files are .txt, because it is a way lower Barrier of Entry for aspiring Modders. (At least that is kind of what Wikipedia implies? Other Reasons could also exist)

[rich cradle]

I mean, sure it turned into txt for modders, but what was original format?

[full raft]

Idk. The Engine is based on C++

[rich cradle]

hm... so it can be C++ code

interesting...

indeed it look like a code.

I should google how dict look in C++

[ashen mural]

how can i make a cosmetic tag?

[toxic mirage]

Does anybody know how to add more politcal advisors slots and new industrial companies?

[full raft]

Step 1: The Tag itself
In the common->countries folder there is a file cosmetic.txt. Here you can define the Colour of the cosmetic Tag and defacto create it.
Step 2: Everything else
From now on this cosmetic Tag behaves for our purposes like a normal Tag. Spefically Localisation and Flags work the same way. This, btw, leads to the fun fact, that you can use ordinary Tags as cosmetic ones, so France can look like Bhutan, if you want it to.

[ashen mural]

oh, thank you. do you also know how to make events?

[full raft]

Yeah, though that is a bit more involved, typically. I would start with the Basics here: https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Event_modding and then ask again for specifics.

[hard mirage]

Yes i do speak English

[full raft]

You'll probably need these. I never did something like that before
https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Idea_modding#Categories
https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Interface_modding
(For MIOs: https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Military_industrial_organization_modding)

[knotty tide]

hello

[full raft]

Good, ehm, do you have a debug.log file. That is always the best place to start with more weird issues

[knotty tide]

how do i make new units and templates

[hard mirage]

I will check when i will be home cuz now im in city

And cool profile picture

[full raft]

Heh, thx 😁

[full raft]

That may be two different Tasks, depending on what exactly you are asking.
Templatemodding and Unitspawning is typically done via oob Files (order of battle). These are found in the history->units folder.
For creating new Types of Battalions (say Line-Rockthrowers or sth), that is more involved, here is a start: https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Unit_modding

[knotty tide]

thx

i do wanna make new types of battalions

like Conscripts

[full raft]

Well, then do check the Wiki. I don't think I ever did something like that before. I mostly swim on the Surface 😅

[knotty tide]

alr

[toxic mirage]

Thanks :3

[peak quail]

hearmt of iron

[rose heath]

how do i delete a state so i get no errors?

i want to merge 2 states into one, so i gave one of them all the provinces of the second one, and now i have that one with no provinces which gives me an error
whenever i delete the state it also gives me an error saying that there's a state error in map definition

[full raft]

The ID of the States most follow one from another, so the State-ID you removed, must be used elsewhere or no others can follow. (You can't have States with the ID 1,3 but not 2) The simplest Solution would be to pick the State with the highest ID and change that to be the one of the State you removed

I would suggest, though it isn't necessary, to update the Filename of said State as well, just to keep track

[rose heath]

oh so i can just copy the highest state to the state i deleted, and then delete the highest state?

[full raft]

Eeeeeeeffectively. Just change the ID of the highest State to the one of the State you deleted

[rose heath]

alright that worked thank you so much

[vocal wind]

is anyone else's road to 56 not working?

[desert current]

In what way

[vocal wind]

when I try to use it it doesn't load my game, my game crashes about halfway through the loading with r56

[full raft]

Sounds typical for Crashes. This will probably be from an active mod, so try deactivating everything aside from rt56 and if that won't work, try validating local files/check the Workshoppage for rt56 (as big as that mod is, the time between broken version and reports about that probably nears zero)

Okay Workshoppage has no discussionforum (?), but the Reddit seems calm. So yeah, test whether it actually is rt56 and try validating

[vocal wind]

I did both and rt56 was the cause

[full raft]

huh. well then thats that. I don't think I can really fix rt56 sadly 😅
Report it to the relevant Mod-Devs, i guess. (though I could take a look at the error.log and see if I can find, what causes the crash. 50/50 on that suceeding)

[vocal wind]

alr m8, thanks for trying to help!

[toxic mirage]

@full raft Better than hoi4 wiki

[full raft]

😉

[toxic mirage]

Wanna break from the ads?

[full raft]

? Obviously a metaphor or joke, but I don't understand the context

[toxic mirage]

:3

There Is no meaning in life but It Will be given from each Person that Will be owner of

[full raft]

Well, for me my meaning is (currently) the personalized "From me according to my Abilities, to others according to their needs" While demonstrably the generalization I pulled it from has yet to work on a grander Scale, it has been a positive and well functioning Philosophy for me 😁

[toxic mirage]

[toxic mirage]

Where are you from pok' ?

[full raft]

Northern Germany

[toxic mirage]

Kiel?

[full raft]

nope, the wonderful Rostock

[toxic mirage]

Near lubeck :3

Or wolgast

Or rugen

Got It right?

[full raft]

Jup. round that Area. Rostock is a victory point, actually
Anywho, that's not all that Modding related, so we can gladly continue this in a more approriate Chat 😉

[final tinsel]

is there any tips on idea_category icon?

i dont know its actual size to make term between each icon

[toxic mirage]

To look for their size

Go to hoi4 folder and search the icon

Open It on paint.net and look at his pixels

[final tinsel]

i mean not the icon size

ingame size

[wide lynx]

wip focus tree for my australia redone mod

[cursive moat]

you should do a hidden event where the prime minister goes missing in the sea if you play long enough to each 2000s

and make a emu become prime minster as a choice for true realistic australian gameplay

[stiff spire]

i should make a mod that just renames france to "fr*nce"

[plucky crystal]

rozumiem

can anybody help? i have 600 errors and my evvents dont work

[full raft]

um

yeah

So that Amount of Errors is typically due to Graphics or similar.

Something called repeatedly

I bet, that the Eventrelated Errors are fraction of that and one will have to go digging through the pile.

[plucky crystal]

I just didn't change anything in the graphics

I deleted some events and now I'll see

[full raft]

Okay, well other stuff can also cause it. Changing Stuff for scripted Effects is actually far more often the reason, now that I think about it. For me at least.

[plucky crystal]

😭

[full raft]

Well, I mean the Game IS running. So now it's time for Bugsquashing! Just go through them and fix the Errors one by one (though often one proper Fix will cause many Errors to vanish, so it should be quicker than that)

[plucky crystal]

ok thx

what is that ? Trying to fill variant where none exist from type: support_equipment belonging to Carstwo Rosyjskie

[full raft]

Some File wants to use a variant of Support Equipment for a production line I presume (given that it is said in relation to the Nation of "Carstwo Rosyjskie") And it can't find said Variant. (I was wondering, if support Equipment can even have Variants, though with MIOs I suppose it can)

[plucky crystal]

then how to fix it?

[full raft]

I just checked the File and now I know, why you picked that one to fix first 😅
Well, what did you mod in regards to Equipment?

[plucky crystal]

nothing

i changed date

only

and i have 20000 days to resarge that

[full raft]

... That does add up. Have you tried giving your Nations said Tech?

[plucky crystal]

in the mouth? investigate yes

[full raft]

???
I am ninety Percent sure, this is the not the Chat you wanted. Otherwise I am very confused.

[river anvil]

a

[full raft]

oui

So, that Communication should not require dedicated Action on your end. Define the Event and the Focus should find it automatically via its ID

[river anvil]

alr

[river anvil]

it just says invalid event id

[full raft]

At a guess, there is some Error in the Event File. Something like a missing add_namespace or wrongly closed {} is usually to blame.

[river anvil]

nope im stupid

i didnt put country_event

in the events script

so how would i make this look nicer...

wait

localization

right

[full raft]

Not stupid, just capable of Error. Inexperienced perhaps. 👍

Either use a Gfx meant for country_events or turn it into an news_event

[river anvil]

it is my first time yes

[river anvil]

yeah i sensed that

country events gfx

why when i finish the focus my custom image disappears

[full raft]

Okay I haven't messed with custom images for Foci in quite a while, but at a guess, you are missing a shine.gfx or something. https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/National_focus_modding#Icon That is the only thing I would guess changes from before to after finishing the focus.

[river anvil]

hm thought i fixed that

ill go check

[full raft]

If the texturefile links to a non-existing file, whether it's the folder path that's incorrect or the filename, including the extension, the focus icon will appear as fully transparent. That should be your Error.
also just learned that apparently, if one was stubborn enough, one could animate Focusicons O.o

[river anvil]

good god

[obtuse condor]

just delete france and add listenbourg

[river anvil]

why is my idea not working properly

i dont want this umar muammar

i didnt even put his name there

[summer lotus]

idea wthout localisation gets a random name

[river anvil]

i gave it localisation

[summer lotus]

then check the idea file

if it is consistent, it would work

or just

debug in console

[summer lotus]

reload save

[river anvil]

idk why its not working

[summer lotus]

political power gain is not a rule btw, move it to modifier

well

[river anvil]

ah

[summer lotus]

just debug in console

reload save

👀

tbh for errors like this the game would tell why it is not working

[river anvil]

[08:11:16][1936.01.12.19][effectbase.cpp:730]: *Tried to trigger non-existant event: iraqnews.1

wait

wrong one

[09:32:22][1936.01.24.01][effect.cpp:785]: common/national_focus/iraq.txt:185: add_timed_idea:Invalid idea: IRQ_a_new_era. If you wanted to reference a variable, you need to explicitly prefix it with var: or temp_var:.

[full raft]

And moving political power gain to the modifiers has not fixed it?

[summer lotus]

ah cuz

you used it incorrectly

[river anvil]

i fixed it

[summer lotus]

add_timed_idea = { idea = idea days = num }

oh?

[river anvil]

game just need a restart

[summer lotus]

ah

[river anvil]

ye

[summer lotus]

so it was really the modifier

[river anvil]

porbably

[summer lotus]

probably error with bracket closure

since it wasn't a rule

[river anvil]

im quite sleep deprived

should i sleep

or keep going

[full raft]

I- Why are you even asking that? While Memes be funny, get your Shleep. It's important.

[river anvil]

cause im so sleep deprived i need someone to make the decision for me

[toxic mirage]

Continue

[river anvil]

but also im cooking

[toxic mirage]

You must cook

[river anvil]

hmm

ill get in one more focus

[full raft]

... That I would ever be the Voice of reason. But that sounds good

Unless it is some Megafocus

[toxic mirage]

How many focuses does It have?

[river anvil]

4...

[toxic mirage]

Well

[river anvil]

its my first mod

[toxic mirage]

It depends on quality

[river anvil]

so

[toxic mirage]

Chsd

[river anvil]

made custom thing

[toxic mirage]

[toxic mirage]

Iraq?

[full raft]

Sweet

[river anvil]

yes

im making it for my friend

cause hes from iraq

[toxic mirage]

You are gonna make the fascist coup too?

[river anvil]

prob

[toxic mirage]

Bug shawarma boy

[worn moth]

hello, can I somehow make a modifier that would give attack bonus against fascist countries?

[full raft]

Kind of. The best Thing I can think off the top of my Head is that you target all countries, which are fascist. The Issue with this is, that it (probably) would lead to the Bonus staying static afterwards. So no bonus against newly fascist ones and kept bonus against no longer fascist ones. I am thinking about Method, which might allow this to remain dynamic, though that would certainly require use of "on_action"s (unless I am missing something)

[worn moth]

and could you tell me how to target them? I cannot figure it out

[rich cradle]

Is this C++?

[river anvil]

Idk

[timber zenith]

that's just hoi4 code

[rich cradle]

I mean, yes. I want to turn hoi4 code into python. I should be easy if I know what language is it.

[timber zenith]

it's not any specific language

[rich cradle]

oh, thats bad

This mean there no instrument to do it automatically

[full raft]

Alright, I thought about it a bit more and using Flags and Events is probably easier (definitely for me to explain)
So you need two Events.
The first trigger has two conditions:
-The Nation is fascist
-The Nation doesn't have the "isfasco" Flag (you can name it however you want)
Once it fires, it sets the isfasco Flag and if the Spirit giving the Attack Buff is present, it is switched with itself, reloading the Targetlist.
The other one is the inverse. If the Nations isn't fascist and has the flag it fires and removes it and if the Spirit giving the Attack Buff is present, it is switched with itself, reloading the Targetlist.
To build the Spirit... Have a ALL and if Block, which selects all Nation with the isfasco Flag and then target those with targeted modifiers @worn moth

[rich cradle]

I will need to transform it myself

[river anvil]

Paradox made the coding language for it

[timber zenith]

yep

[river anvil]

Idk what they call it

[rich cradle]

thx for help anyway

[full raft]

I call it Paradox-Code but I don't think there is an official term

[timber zenith]

the actual coding is done through clausewitz the coding for modding is closer to plain english

[worn moth]

I'm pretty new to modding and I really don't understand this, I would be happy even if the bonus would be staying static, but I cannot get this
targeted_modifier = {
target = {any_country = {has_government = fascism}}
attack_bonus_against = 0.025
defense_bonus_against = 0.05
}
to work, I just want to know how to select all the fascist countries

[timber zenith]

i don't believe that works to target more than one nation

[full raft]

You'll have to work with limits and ifs

[timber zenith]

Alright so I found out how bulgaria did it

[full raft]

So
every_country = {
limit = {
has_country_flag = isfasco
}
effects
}

roughly. FBKongs Solution is probably better.

[timber zenith]

bulgaria has a whole heap of hidden ideas, each one containing a targeted modifier with an attack and defense bonus against a different european nation. then as a hidden effect they add the hidden ideas to bulgaria for all the nations that apply to the trigger (in bul's case the trigger is is_major and in europe)

so it would just take a tedious ammount of effort to work

[worn moth]

and how does the flag work?, I guess from what you told me it's a group of specific things and you can name it so I guess you must add it first, how do you do that?

[full raft]

Oh, its super simple. You just use the effect: set_country_flag as an Effect. There you give it a name and thats it. No creating Files or Code or anything.

[worn moth]

so, like this?
set_country_flag = isfasco
isfasco = {every_country = {limit = {has_goverment_fascism}}}

[timber zenith]

flags aren't scopes, they're just a way to store information as a boolean

[full raft]

... I think I messed up somewhere with my Explanation.
It would be lovely, if it worked like that, but sadly we (probably) need that badness with two hidden Events.
tbh, I (would?) have a hard time myself getting this to work somewhat neatly.

[full raft]

So create two Events, like explained here

[runic silo]

guys

I need help with my mod

I've been making a mod to play with my friends

which includes a custom nation

everything works fine for me

however, whenever one of my friends try to play, the country's history file jsut doesnt work

[timber zenith]

did you upload to the workshop?

[runic silo]

like no leader, no party popularity, no ideas

[full raft]

First guess: You made some changes to your Vanilla Files, which make it work, while your Friends don't have such changes.

[runic silo]

both steam and paradox workshops

[runic silo]

already checked

[timber zenith]

can you send a link?

[runic silo]

100% file integrity

[runic silo]

idk how to do that

I can give you the mod reference

[timber zenith]

to the workshop page

go to page then right click and press copy url i mean

[runic silo]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3244245066

this ?

bruh

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3244245066

[full raft]

What is the Name of the Mod?

[runic silo]

Krakozhian Dream II

[timber zenith]

oh do you have visibility set to private or friends only?

[runic silo]

it'll be on the paradox one

[runic silo]

no ☠️

waiy

"Cet article n'est visible que de vous, de l'équipe d'administration et de toute personne faisant partie de l'équipe de création"
which means only I, the administration and the members of the creation team can see it

why

[timber zenith]

https://mods.paradoxplaza.com/mods/81251/Any

that it?

[runic silo]

yes

[full raft]

jup

[timber zenith]

easy

[full raft]

Can one of your Friends send an error.log? (or you too for that matter)

[runic silo]

I'm sorry but you'll have to explain what that is ahahah

[full raft]

When the Game notices Errors, it logs them, in a File called, well, error.log. This is stored in your local Documents (not game File) for Hearts of Iron in the log folder and is frequently very helpful in figuring why the Game is being huffy.

[runic silo]

okay wait

?

[timber zenith]

it's working for me

[runic silo]

💀

well

i don't understand

[timber zenith]

neat reference tho haha

[runic silo]

🙏

I'm sorry guys imma have to log off

thanks for the advices

I'll read whatever you have written when coming back

[full raft]

Oh that'll get buried

Or rather shot to the atmosphere

[runic silo]

[full raft]

We'll pick it up, when you get back 👍

[runic silo]

thank you !!

[regal pendant]

How does this work?

[full raft]

Scripted Effects and scripted Triggers most likely. That is how the Influence Mechanic implemented in the first place, afaik. I suspect the Text itself is also scripted and not what would usually be displayed.

[regal pendant]

So I just have to wait till one of the other countries activiate these things

[full raft]

Oh, you meant mechanically, not how it is implemented. I would hazard a guess, that you'll have to meet the Requirement of either Influence or Population and given my limited knowledge with Millenium Dawn, I would bet, that getting your Influence up is what you should try to do.

[regal pendant]

I've tried like a million things. Even most of the National focuses for EU Are completed by me

[full raft]

Well, have you tried using the Influencemechanic in the Decisions

?

Okay that sounds condescending 😅
Sorry

It is all I can guess at

[regal pendant]

Ive tried these things

[full raft]

Yeah, I never played MD. But also: Doing both pro and anti European Campaigns? That should even itself out and resolve to nothing. Furthermore that doesn't appear to be related to the Influence on the individual Nations, which I have seen in Videos. You want to influence the Nations, not the EU

[regal pendant]

Like these?

[full raft]

No, also not. Through Investment or something.

[regal pendant]

hm

[inner badger]

someone should make a game of thrones mod

[full raft]

Well, do I have some news for you. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=948843478

[verbal light]

are there any better flags mods for like, communist flags? I noticed most of the eastern europe communist flags kinda look like shit, but they could be cool or real

[full raft]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3131711887 My first find

[verbal light]

Woo! pogg

[runic silo]

Hi again

[full raft]

yello

So yeah, that error.log does have some relevant Errors

[runic silo]

ouch

what can I do ?

[full raft]

I suspect some broken {} somewhere. Weird that it is so User-specific

[runic silo]

kinda

imma check

[full raft]

The focus Tree File also has similar Issues. Unexpected Tokens

[runic silo]

yeah that's normal ahahah

I'm still working on it and have done some trial and error

which doesn't affect the game but doesn't work

[full raft]

Yeah, Focustrees have to be really broken to cause crashes just by being loaded. (I don't think I ever heard of such a case before)

[runic silo]

lmaoo

I haven't found any {} problem

[full raft]

Well, this Error is what lead me to that Idea:
[19:08:40][no_game_date][effect.cpp:432]: Invalid effect 'set_convoys' in history/countries/KKZ - Krakozhia.txt line : 108
(the following ones are essentially the same in Structure)
Metaphorically it gets out of step likely around this line and never gets back into proper computation.

[runic silo]

i don't understand why

I litteraly copied it from the USA file

moved it somewhere else

[full raft]

Weird. Yeah, I found "set_convoys" there as well and also in the Yugoslavian Tree (to make sure it isn't somehow US specific)
But I cannot seem to find it anywhere on the Wiki

[runic silo]

seems to have fixed it

[full raft]

Oh, so it was in a wrong Block

[runic silo]

I put it in a custom one I had made called ###Ideas###

so I moved it to the very top

right under the capital

[full raft]

Right, so all Areas included between { and } are evaluated as Arguments for whatever opens the Brackets. If you put something in there, which it can't evaulate, it is going to get annoyed.

[runic silo]

okkkk

starting_train_buffer = 5

what does that mean ?

[full raft]

I... don't know. I guess how many Trains they start with or something? Would have to look it up. (notably this seems to only appear with economically powerful Nations like US and Germany)

[runic silo]

okay

well I'll ask my friend to try again

I'll tell you if it worked

you were truly of great help

thanks for taking the time to help me

[full raft]

No problem

[charred plaza]

any working mod that gives your units veteran experience?

if not, is there a way to mod the savegame files to modify their exp? (im not talking about commanders btw, im talking about divisions)

[sharp cedar]

is there a mod that lets you put line artillery in all slots

[full raft]

It doesn't appear possible to give the Divisions themselves a direct Wisdom Juice.
Best I could offer is this: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2876460669
There are a lot of Mods doing something with Unitexperience though, so good hunting 😅

[charred plaza]

ill check it out, thanks

[full raft]

The Basegame already allows this, I believe. Unless you are referring to Support Companies which a Mod could be made for, theoretically, but I don't think has been.

[sharp cedar]

It doesnt

you can only put troops in most slots not artillery, only the rightmost columns can have artillery

[full raft]

No? I literally just created a Division purely made of Line Artillery. It has literally 0 Org, but it is possible to fill every slot. Check your existing Mods, whether one of those causes that.

[sharp cedar]

My mods dont interfere in that. It only lets me put marines, mountaineers, infantry, and those types of troops

the only mods i use are for graphics and PLC

[full raft]

Well, the (generalized out from my own) Basegame doesn't interfere with the Artillery-only and Artillery-total Divisions.

[sharp cedar]

It only lets me put artillery in these slots and none of my mods interfere

anything else needs to be a troop

[full raft]

Not in the first three rows?

[sharp cedar]

or tank

[full raft]

That is bizarre.

[sharp cedar]

thats the max i can do

[sharp cedar]

maybe check your mods

[full raft]

I am certainly, fully, Vanilla

[sharp cedar]

i dont use mods that change anything but graphics

besides plc

[full raft]

Aren't there Divisiontemplates in Basegame, which break this rule? I would have to go hunting, but I....
Oh. Do you mean the three at the Bottom there? Since a recent update Inf and Arty are different Categories and per Column only one Category is allowed (which I think has always been that way? Don't qoute me on that)

Try replacing the Inf at the very top of the Column

[sharp cedar]

No i mean in any slot besides the last 2 column

i click the top it makes me do an infantry unit of some type

[full raft]

So, for example, you can't make a new Division with only an Arty Battalion in the top left?

[sharp cedar]

yea

im not on rn but this was an issue a couple days ago since i can only rlly play on weekends

[full raft]

The only two things I could think of, is that it is somehow limited because that is a special Unit, spawned via Focus (Nordic Defense Front) or something is wrong with Files, in which Case I would try validating those via Steam.

[graceful meteor]

anyone know any mods that make the map bigger, not just magna europa but that with more spice

[timber zenith]

magna europa

jk lol

The problem with that is that the default hoi4 map is already the max size so mods that increase the map size aren't technically possible

[cobalt peak]

They are

there’s so many of them

[timber zenith]

such as?

news to me

[cobalt peak]

darkest hour

pludoshcissixhchheia idk how to spell it states

[timber zenith]

They make the northern and southern extremities visible by shrinking everything else down

[cobalt peak]

Ohhhh

My bad

[timber zenith]

that was a problem faced when developing magna europa, and it's definitely unfortunate

[full raft]

I suppose technically the "resolution" could be upped, by dividing up the Provinces even further? But I think mostly its graphical Flair, unless you actually remove parts of the Map or squashing some parts, like the Pacific. I do know Mods exist, which for example scale up Pacific Islands to more indepth simulate Pacific Warfare (though tbf, that obviously breaks Proportion)

[runic silo]

Could it be possible that the presence of technologies available only with dlcs is what is blocking my friend's game from accessing the country file ?

[cobalt peak]

No

People joining use the hosts dlcs

[timber zenith]

You don't really need dlcs, all the content for them is available in the base game, purchasing the dlc is basically just a check along with gfx for units and leader portraits etc

[cobalt peak]

who’s gonna tell bro

all the content for them isn’t available in the base game

[timber zenith]

i mean that all the content is in the base game files

[cobalt peak]

Oh

[timber zenith]

purchasing them basically tells the game "yeah this dude has the dlc"

[cobalt peak]

i guess

But you also get a ton of stuff

focus trees

[timber zenith]

potentially? but people way smarter than myself have tried upscaling and failed so i'm not sure

[cobalt peak]

Designers

intelligence agency

[timber zenith]

It's like buying a key to a room in your house

The room was always there, you're just buying enterance to it

[cobalt peak]

bro is onto nothing 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[full raft]

Well, no it comes with the Free updates into the files.
Also that is necessary to allow the whole "Hosts DLC are everyones DLC in MP"

[timber zenith]

😑 if you do a ctrl f for all the has_dlc checks in the base game files and remove those lines, the game works as if it has those dlc

don't do that tho cause it sucks

i might get banned for saying that lmfao

[full raft]

Actually, I don't think it would. Many GFX would be missing. Those are in the DLC-Files. Furthermore I think there are some more advanced Checks (though honestly not sure)

[rich cradle]

how fuel silo named in the game files? I cant find provinces which have it (I mean their files dont have same name as a province name).

[timber zenith]

gfx would be broken but it would work pretty normally and there aren't advanced checks

[rich cradle]

oh, wait, I can find it myself

[timber zenith]

fuel_silo

[rich cradle]

Thx!

[timber zenith]

no worries

[rich cradle]

I thought about just finding all buildings names

[timber zenith]

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Building_modding#Types this might come in handy

[rich cradle]

do it also have slots limits for different state_categories?

I mean like town or large_town

[timber zenith]

scroll down a bit they're there

[mortal trail]

hey does anyone know any good 1v1/2v2 mods for me and some buddies got like 2k hrs and legit dont know any

[rich cradle]

I heard about gangir duel mod

[mortal trail]

ill check it out thanjs

[rich cradle]

Hm... ok thats all types of provinces:

['town', 'large_city', 'rural', 'wasteland', 'large_town', 'city', 'small_island', 'enclave', 'megalopolis', 'metropolis', 'pastoral', 'tiny_island']

Now I need to figure out their limits

ready

[full raft]

Check the state_category folder in common (Basegame) All Statelevels are listed there with their respective Local_building_slots

[rich cradle]

found it on wiki

[full raft]

oh, that works to

[rich cradle]

I did it!

Now I have all data about all provinces

[full raft]

Nice

[rich cradle]

Except provinces names arent really that great

Especially "Some mountains"

Yes it is a province name xD

But I'll take it

[full raft]

Okay, I don't want to rain on your Parade, but: https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/List_of_states Have you gathered more data than this List? Or the Monster which is this one: https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/List_of_provinces 😅

Well, actually you have it in Python now, which could be helpful, idk

[rich cradle]

Yes, it's was the point, to have it in python.

Now I can simulate any country

And optimise all shit out of hoi4 xD

[full raft]

Ah, okay

[rich cradle]

Probably I should make some gui too. Mb some people will want to try.

But it is a story for another day.

[rose heath]

is this division even usable
i mean 0 org
can it even kill anything at all

i imagine it's totally useless
if this was to fight a 1x1 infantry division i would bet money on the infantry division

[full raft]

... likely not, no. But thanks to ISP we know with some cheese you can give it minimal Org via the Support Companies and then they are oddly effective in Parts.

[haughty bison]

rocket arti is better

[toxic mirage]

"noice"

[lofty plaza]

Zero org

That units gonna see the enemy from a distance and die from a heart attack

[toxic mirage]

Bro gotta get his pervetin out of his desk

[rich cradle]

Alcase Lorraine have 3 factory in the game but 1 in the files O_o

I don't get it, data is just incorrect and I have more factories for France in a simulation than in the game.

But for Soviets its look ok

Germany is fine also

Hm...

Guess I'll take it for now.

Have no idea why there a difference between data in the game files and in the game itself. It definitely not fixable by hand.

[timber zenith]

Where are you looking in game for that?

[full raft]

I see what happened here. Confusingly The Statefile named "Alsace Lorraine" is for the State of Lorraine. For Alsace-Lorraine, you need the File named "Alsace"

nvm "Alcase" Even spelled it wrong

[timber zenith]

yeah there are some very uncreative names for the states ahahah

like china 1 through china 19

[full raft]

Below Zero however is a cool Name. Even if inaccurat

[buoyant loom]

is there any mod that gives me an earlier start date than 1936. maybe 1930 or even earlier?

[timber zenith]

Rise of nations has start dates for 1919 and 1933

[indigo jay]

whats the best dlc?

also what does no stepback do?

[nimble solar]

No Step Back

Tank designer, more content for Eastern Europe

[nimble solar]

I do suggest the subscription however

[indigo jay]

like 10$ per month?<

[proper acorn]

Why are you asking this on the modding channel?

[elder tundra]

hi

[subtle plover]

Yo got a question

What do the numbers after it mean

:0
:1
etc

Idk what it means

and when I tried my event

The only option to click was "ok"

Instead of the one I set

[timber zenith]

nothing

that's localisation right?

the number is basically just internal paradox jargon

you can omit it completely if you want

[subtle plover]

Oh ok

So why did it say ok?

Also can I just do this?

[timber zenith]

I'd recommend using localisation

[subtle plover]

Shit quality but this works

Just gotta change the image

Im happy :D

[elder tundra]

I have a little problem

With a thing im working on

What does this mean?

Before it was worse but i managed to fix some part but now im stuck with this problem

[timber zenith]

What does your code look like at line 109

Or are there any related errors before that

[elder tundra]

For what I understand it was some error with the baltic states and poland

Im doing a total conversion mod and im stuck with the fixing of the map because of this

[timber zenith]

Are there any more related errors before the line 109 in the log?

Errors that say the same thing

[elder tundra]

Nope

[timber zenith]

Have you modified the BLT_scripted_effects file?

[elder tundra]

The tutorial i was following came out before the 1.14.5 update

I was just following instructions

And yes. I modified the BLT_scripted_effects

[timber zenith]

There could potentially be a broken bracket a bit before that

[elder tundra]

Let me check

[elder tundra]

I think I found it

It was in the 192. Its a end bracket

.

No it was not

It was attached to something

Maybe this space?

[timber zenith]

Spaces won't cause errors

Did you remove anything from before that line in the file? I'm checking the file myself and the line numbers seem to be mismatched

[elder tundra]

Yes. In the tutorial I had to delete specific parts of the code

[timber zenith]

What tutorial are you following?

[elder tundra]

https://youtu.be/UcGmz3E5beU?si=nSomnfZ9QpFJaJ_I

The video came 2 months before de 1.14.5 patch

I already did part 1

Without any errors

[meager epoch]

Is there a way to add a bunch of states any quicker than going into every file individually and fixing it like that

[river beacon]

Nudge tool is the only way really

[toxic mirage]

Its Better file becaue with nudge you can make a mistake and Need to reinstall the whole game

[meager epoch]

Ok

[wispy bear]

i saw a youtuber who had an extension to automatically select and build whatever should be built aet that time, does anyone know what mod this is? it was dankus memecus's "Germany But I Beat Russia in 6 Months" video at around the 1 minute mark

idk if its a script or a mod or anything

[rich cradle]

hm... There no such file at all

oh, I found it: it's "28-Alcase.txt". Windows can't find it for some reason, I searched through all lands of France in python.

And it is endeed correct province, it have 3 factories and a bunch of bunkers.

[rich cradle]

hm... ok, but it still don't solve problem with 2 extra factories from the game files

I think I will just check all 23 provinces which have factories and look is they have some amount.

It's very weird, other countries doesnt have this problem

[rich cradle]

It say it should have 28 steel and be core of France

Also have victory points

state={
id=17
name="STATE_17" # Lorraine
manpower = 1517500

state_category = city

resources={
    steel=28 # was: 48
}

history={
    owner = FRA
    victory_points = {
        9642 5 
    }
    victory_points = {
        11516 5 
    }
    buildings = {
        infrastructure = 4
        industrial_complex = 1
        air_base = 5
    }
    add_core_of = FRA
}

provinces={
    521 698 3646 3666 6698 9642 9658 11488 11516 11642 
}

local_supplies=0.0 

}

but I dont see such a province

[full raft]

Check for a certain "Lorraine"
The State directly west to Alsace-Lorraine

[rich cradle]

its franche comte or champagne

none of them have 28 steel

[full raft]

Right, Franche comte is the proper Name, not Lorraine. Let me check miself

[rich cradle]

20-Franche-comte.txt is not for Franche comte

it have only 1 factory

and Alsace-Lorraine is Franche comte

But what is Franche comte then?

[full raft]

Yeah, the Lorraine File you posted is for Franche comte.
the Franche Comte is for Rhone

^

It very much seems like there was a bunch of State reshuffeling during the time, in which they added these French States.

[rich cradle]

{
"france": 1, # corsica
"normandy": 2,
"ile_de_france": 4,
"champagne": 1,
"franche_comte": 2, # rhone
"bouches_du_rhone": 1,
"roussillion": 2, # languedoc
"poitou": 1,
"centre": 2,
"bourgogne": 1, # Auvergne
"champagne2": 2, # Bourgogne
"alcase": 3, # Alcase Lorraine
"indochina": 1, # Southern indochina
"pas_de_calais": 3, # Nord pas de calais
"loire": 1,
"midi_pyrenees": 1,
"tunisia": 1,
"northern_morocco": 1, # casablanca
"lebanon": 1,
"annam": 1, # tolkin
"cameroon": 1,
"picardy": 1,
"alcase_lorraine": 1, # france comte
}

It is 35 fabrics anyway

...

I dont get it

In the game France have 33 factory

I literally found 35 on the map...

I am out of ideas

[full raft]

Yes, but some of those States aren't cores, so they don't give all Factories. And Franche Comte (ingame) for example has 28 Steel base, but 50 thanks to Infrastructure

[rich cradle]

oh, interesting, I didnt knew about this mechanic

But how can I get amount of factories state give?

oh, I see, it from controll

hm... I need controll data then

wait... wait... I need simulate entire controll system to get factories in a correct way ?!

bcz it not a constant

[full raft]

Basically. Also this ignores stuff like National Spirits and Advisors. I think the best Way to check how much Factories a Nation can build is to actually try it in game, after Theorycrafting.

Oh and Trade

[rich cradle]

I think, I can approximate it to the 0.5 factory per non core factory

[full raft]

Trade is vital for the Economy of some Nations

[rich cradle]

trade is easy, I'll just add ability to controll trade factories for the user

hm... how advisors affect factories?

They affect only construction, aren't they?

[full raft]

Yes, but you won't have the Influence of how the Game is going. For example, recently Germanys Steel Production got a considerable Nerf, so if Germany decides to go for Navy, all Nations producing Steel have a decent Chance for more Factories, which they otherwise lack. Or if a sudden early game war pops up, people might scramble to build Aircraft, pumping up the Indonesian/Malayan Economies.

Also Advisors can do SO much. France, Vincent Auriol modifies Consumer Goods. (Also how will you simulate Tradelaws and Economylaws? Their PP Requirements?) Pierre Pucheu gives research and civ construction speed, changing both how fast Factories are built and how fast new Industrytech is researched, Devalue the France affects Consumer Goods, but only for a Year. The Industrial Expansion Focus gives different amounts of Factories depending on which Foci have been completed before. And France is one of the less Complex Nations regarding Economy. USA has the Congress Mechanic, incentivising adding unplanned Buildings to get other Boni, Turkey has the Investment Decisions, Uruguay and paraguay get Automatic Industrial Development through Events (if you have the relevant DLC and finished a Focus)

A total Economysimulation is a very tall order. To test this sort of stuff, I would either actually play the Strat I want to test or program the Ingame AIs to test them for me and run it with the history_logger

[rich cradle]

I just added basic advisers like +10% factories and infrastructure construction and +10% military factories construction

And also just added ability to add construction bonuses and consumer goods directly
I also simulate entire law system (law, trade, conscription), but only part about factories

since there things like stability

Stability give consumer goods

And I dont want to simulate stability system.

[full raft]

Yeah okay, but as they say: Assume a can-opener
(Context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assume_a_can_opener)

I won't deny that it couldn't give some helpful Information about the Way one should handle Economy, but the real Game has so many Factors affecting the Industry, any knowledge gained will be fairly theoretical. I am talking under the Assumption, you want to use your Program to minmax Economybuilds. If you have a different goal, do tell.

[rich cradle]

I mean, I will need to take trade from the game anyway, so I will do it as a user

It is not job of a programm

I will just run a game a take amount of trade factories each 3 mounth or so

It should be close enough

Same for not basic advisers and stability

[full raft]

Oh, so its a Program, which runs alongside the Game itself. I thought it was purely independent.
But then I have to wonder: What for? What do you want the Program to do?

[rich cradle]

Programm independent. And taking data from the game (I mean by running the game) in my plans, but it not a part of current step, for now I just need to simulate economy correctly

Then I can add mod part which will collect better data for simulation.

And probably I will also need some kind of iteration for testing best way of constructing

But for now I need correct simulation and thats it.

[full raft]

Oh, okay. I still don't get, why you wouldn't just test this stuff out in game.
And what is your Limits for "Correctness?" Because if Things like Stability aren't implemented, its most certainly not "Just like it functions ingame"

[rich cradle]

It is exactly "Just like it functions ingame", dont forget, even if I dont have stability, I have ability to change consumer goods any day of the calculation.

I can change laws any day, as well as promote construction tech and industry tech

So, I just add this things as events and simulate the game.

[full raft]

By Hand? Or is there some Algorithm defacto simulating Stability?

Just to get Info straight for myself. What is the Input for the Program and what the desired Output/gained Information?

[rich cradle]

yeap, for now it by hand, by I have next part in plans, where I will take it from the game

So almost everything that now by hands should be done by the 2nd part of programm later

[full raft]

Okay, but if you are planning on taking the Info from the game already... what extra purpose does your Program fulfill?
Is it supposed to be some Predictor or Indicator of how much Output your Civvies have?

[rich cradle]

It can calculate like 5 years in a second so I can do hundreds of runs

[full raft]

So the Program takes the current Economy and given currently active Modifiers and Civilian Count, it suggest what you should build?

[rich cradle]

for now it is not. Now it take your orders and simulate outcome. In the end it should take your orders and suggest best moment to switch from factories to the military, for example.

Or how many infrastructure you should build

[full raft]

For gathering Info, I think you might be interested in the History Logger. If that is running it logs massive Amounts of Info about the Game, which you could then read into your Program.

[rich cradle]

Hm... thats definitely interesting

Wait, it not even a mod, it just a part of the game?! Nice!

[full raft]

Yup. Sadly there is scarce Information about it out there, especially on how the files work, so you will have to do some exploring and experimenting

[rich cradle]

Still way better then creating entire mod.

Hm... But guess I will need to get a lot of modding knowledge anyway. Like every link to the province is a number and all other stuff require understanding of the game code.

Anyway, I have pretty good simulation for now (I will avoid non core territory problem for now), I think I will try to turn program into something usable first (I definitely need some kind of interface or something like this even for myself) and will do everything else later.

I can turn data from the game into events anyway, so collection of the data can be done later.

Thanks for help!

[full raft]

No problem 👍

[meager epoch]

hey guys I ran into a problem where a bunch of states (that I havent modded) are just showing up as their state id. ex: london is STATE_126

[subtle raven]

guys can anyone send me the link of great war (i want to install manual)

[full raft]

Sounds like Errors in the localisation File. What does the error.log say?

[merry trout]

does anyone know why
initial_show_position = { ... } is not working

[full raft]

Not without further Context, I don't. Do you happen to have the error.log handy?

[merry trout]

i dont think the error log says anything about it but ill check

[full raft]

Some error Messages only appear, if the Game is launched in Debug mode, so be aware of that as well.

[merry trout]

i am in debug

it says nothing about the initial_show_position

wanna see the error log anyway

[full raft]

yes please~

[full raft]

Well, while the initial_show_position {} shows no error, the Focus Tree itself does, so perhaps those Errors cause this. (For Example, maybe the closing Bracket is in the wrong Place or something?)

[merry trout]

im checking rq

thank you

nah nothings working

[full raft]

Are the Errors in the error.log fixed?

[merry trout]

no but theres no need to fix them

they dont afffect this

and they take too long to fix

and in game everything works but this

[full raft]

You would be surprised, what affects what. And if no other Avenues of Repair are present, this is all that's left to fix.
(And believe me, I have had that Experience before, where some Fix should have done literally nothing to thing I am trying to fix, but somehow it turned out to be the Solution.)

[merry trout]

alr bro ty

but some errors dont make sense

[full raft]

Also some of those Errors are near line 4, so around the Area, where I would expect intial_show_position. Could you perhaps send me the relevant Focustreefile?

[merry trout]

focus_tree = {
id = syrian_focus

country = {
    factor = 0
    
    modifier = {
        add = 12
        tag = SYR
    }
}

default = no
continuous_focus_position = { x = 50 y = 1000 }
initial_show_position = { focus = political_reforms }

[full raft]

Well, if the focus "political_reforms" isn't working, then the intial_show_position will also not work most likely. Also some of the Errors do no match up with what you sent me, so I would really like the file itself, not just what seems relevant at first glance.

[merry trout]

i got it dw

thank you for help

[full raft]

Oh... No problem, I guess 😅 👍

[elder tundra]

I have a problem

Im still unable to fix this

[full raft]

Could you send the BLT_scripted_effects file?

Wait, did we do this before?

[elder tundra]

Another guy tried to help me

But I think he just went offline

[full raft]

I think I checked a BLT_scripted_effects yesterday and you said again soo. But I can't recall you.
Anyway. Did you change anything in the BLT_scripted_effects file?

[elder tundra]

Yes

I was following a tutorial and I had to delete parts of the code

[full raft]

Did the tutorial say why you needed to do that?
Also if you did change something there, do send the file. The last one didn't, so I guess it really was someone else randomly having trouble with the same Files.

[elder tundra]

Im watching the tutorial to see if there is a reason

[full raft]

Yeah, some Brackets are broken. For example (may be the only, maybe not) the LIT_iron_wolf_down_effect Bracket closes in the middle of the Bloc describing it (Line 107)

[elder tundra]

?

[timber zenith]

Delete the bracket directly at line 81

and then add a bracket at the bottom of the same section, below the LIT_iron_wolf_idea_good_2 has_idea check section

[elder tundra]

huh?

[elder tundra]

Like this?

But now 67 has no end bracket

[timber zenith]

The attatched one is fixed

[elder tundra]

So thats it?

[full raft]

Test it

[elder tundra]

Ok

[timber zenith]

Alternatively you can just override the vanilla folders that are loading by including replace_path lines in your descriptor files

Which means you wouldn't have to fiddle around with removing specific lines

[elder tundra]

Its my first time modding the game btw

[timber zenith]

This is a collection of all the replace_path lines you may want to use

[full raft]

ah, dw. I didn't know that specific Info either 😅

[timber zenith]

you may want to not include some that you'd want to keep, but you'd put all the lines of paths you want to override (basically like they don't exist even if you don't have those folders/files in your mod) and put them into your mod's descriptor file

[elder tundra]

It didnt work

It created the same errors but they are in other lines

[timber zenith]

oh you might also have to put it in the descriptor that's just outside of the mod, as in the folder called mod. the file will be named something like yourmodname.mod

it's named after whatever you put as the folder name when you first created it

[elder tundra]

I think I'll do this

[elder tundra]

this one?

[timber zenith]

potentially

you can open it in notepad though and see

it should have a path directory to your mod's folder

[elder tundra]

right

[elder tundra]

Now i have to paste this in there?

[timber zenith]

Yeah

as well as your other descriptor file, the one in the mod

[elder tundra]

Where is that one?

Inside of the folder?

[full raft]

Jup

[elder tundra]

In the mod folder or in my mod folder? The one I modify is the one that is in mod

[timber zenith]

you'd need to change both

[elder tundra]

And where is the other?

[full raft]

In the folder there

[timber zenith]

in your mod like poke showed

[full raft]

Did you create this Folder by Hand? The Launcher has a Feature to set up a Mod with Descriptor premade

[elder tundra]

I used MapGen and CMS

But i was thinking to move the map mod to the folder i created with the launcher once I finished fixing the map thing

And yes I have the folder made with the launcher here

[full raft]

Then there should be a File called Descriptor there (or descriptor.mod with File extensions)

[elder tundra]

as I said

Its in the other folder

I want to think that there wont be any problems if I move the folders from one to another

[full raft]

Yes, then do that. For testing purposes as well, I would always maintain the best and fullest Version I can. Say no to technical Debt

[elder tundra]

lets hope anything brokes

So then I have to do everything of the replaces in the descriptors again

Do I put it bellow the path= ?

[full raft]

I suppose so, yes.

[elder tundra]

Alright. I will test it to see if it works

[elder tundra]

My game crashed 💀

[full raft]

Brilliant 😅
Well, you know the drill. Has the error.log updated?

[elder tundra]

oh my

[obtuse condor]

guys, i have a question, i would like to create a mod which is "10x", who could help me?

[elder tundra]

God

[full raft]

There are many Tutorials and the Wiki also explains many things well:https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Category:Modding
For more specific Questions, you can always return to here 🙃

[obtuse condor]

thanks mate

[full raft]

We're still in the Kilobyterange, nothing major here 😄

[elder tundra]

Ye

[full raft]

I would guess you are ignoring too much or too little. Effectively, this is large Chunks of the Game wondering, where the f the rest has gone.

And also, obviously this can lead to unhappy little accidents

[elder tundra]

Maybe because the map has no countries in it?

[full raft]

Could be a Factor. Launch in Debugmode, then all crahes bound to Mapdefinition are prevented

[elder tundra]

I already was in debug mode

This sound like dlc thing

[full raft]

Well kind off. Are you ignoring the technology folder?

Wait, no. Are you ignoring the scripted_effects folder?

[elder tundra]

But inside there is only the BTL

[full raft]

And are you ignoring that via the descriptor&other one?

[elder tundra]

With the replace thing

[full raft]

Yea okay. The technologies Files evidently need some of the Files in the scripted_effects

[elder tundra]

So I have to do what exactly?

[full raft]

Stop ignoring the scripted Effects or start ignoring the technologies (I wouldn't recommend)
Also get rid of your modified BLT_something file. If this is your first Mod I advise against touching anything scripted_x

[elder tundra]

So. Deleting the BTL in my mod folder

[full raft]

yup

[elder tundra]

Then the folder is now empty

[full raft]

You can remove the Folder as well, but it changes literally nothing, besides stopping you from wondering, why you have an empty Folder.

[elder tundra]

Now the mod folder looks like this

[full raft]

That is fine. I am personally more interested in the error.log
(Also don't forget to stop ignoring scripted_x)

[elder tundra]

I still dont know what you mean with the ignoring scripted_x

[full raft]

The lines you added to the descriptor and that other file

[elder tundra]

oh

So I erase those lines?

[full raft]

Only the ones regarding scripted_effects, scripted_triggers and the like

[elder tundra]

Done

Now should I test if it works?

[full raft]

Yes, I don't have any other Changes I would suggest before testing this.

[elder tundra]

No scripted_x things

[full raft]

And how about the crash? Does that still occur?

[elder tundra]

Im still waiting if the game loads full or if it crashes again

[elder tundra]

It crashed again

[full raft]

aaand back to the error.log we go 😅

[elder tundra]

7MB 💀

[full raft]

Megabyte range, lets gooooo

[elder tundra]

Im seeing some baltic things

[full raft]

Im seeing a lot of things...
Okay, remove any replace_path, which doesn't refer to a folder you have in your Mod

[elder tundra]

So

Anything which is not common, gfx, history and map ?

[full raft]

Yes and also not in your subfolders.
common/autonomous_states for example includes vital Info for the Puppetsystem, so it missing causes concern for your Game.

So ignore
common/ai_strategy
common/countries
common/country_tags
common/decisions
common/national_focus
And so on for the other Folders. The Game will still throw a Million Errors, but hopefully not one that causes crashes

[full raft]

eeeejup

[timber zenith]

Like swatting flies

[elder tundra]

I do not have any file or folder named autonomous_states in my mod folder

[full raft]

Yes, that is why I said, you shouldn't ignore it

[timber zenith]

that's why you should ignore it

@elder tundra do you have a copy of the luthuanian focus tree in your mod?

[full raft]

? No the basegamefiles are fine. No need to tell the Game to ignore them.

[elder tundra]

I have a copy for:

baltic_shared
estonia
latvia
lithuania
poland

[timber zenith]

If you're doing a total overhaul map change, you're supposed to override the vanilla files in order to ignore the specific references they contain

[full raft]

Wait, is this a total overhaul map change?
Ambitious, if that is a first mod one does.

[elder tundra]

The map works really

But i will keep it simple

[timber zenith]

Remove those copies and keep the old replace path lines you removed

and remove the other copies the guy told you to make for things in the common folder

[full raft]

I guess, that is some Egg on my Face. Yeah, like Kong said, ignore away. And as much as possible 😅

[elder tundra]

So I delete the national_focus of my folder?

[timber zenith]

Yeah

[timber zenith]

No worries, everything is a learning process

[elder tundra]

decisions folder too?

[timber zenith]

what's in it?

[elder tundra]

EST

[timber zenith]

Yeah remove that too

[elder tundra]

So im left with ai_strategy, countries and country_tags

In the common folder

[full raft]

I believe those can go as well for now

There are neither Countries or AIs currently after all

[timber zenith]

Did you make custom countries?

[elder tundra]

Not yet

[timber zenith]

yeah remove the content of them you might want to keep the folders themselves for later

[elder tundra]

No content and only the folders?

In common

One of you said something of the descriptor and the replace_path

What I was meant to do with it?

[full raft]

We both did at various points.
Keep them. Here is where we tell the Game, what parts of the Vanilla Files to ignore (being effectively all of em)

[elder tundra]

So I again paste all of the replace paths in both descriptors?

[full raft]

I suppose so, yeah

[timber zenith]

this part is always a pain in the ass haha

[elder tundra]

Ok done

Now I test it?

[timber zenith]

go for it

[elder tundra]

Crashed 💀

Lets see what is this time

At least it returned to be kilobytes

[timber zenith]

Do you plan on making new technologies?

[elder tundra]

idk

I guess not

nah

i won't

[full raft]

Okay, so a lot of these Errors are consequences of ai_will_do blocks. On first glance, it looks like slowly ripping out any parts out, where the Ai_will_do blocs refer to now ignored Parts of the Code, is the solution to those errors

[elder tundra]

But I dont have any of that in the folders now

[full raft]

Copy the relevant Folders into your Mod and edit on those files

[elder tundra]

Mmm the Edit of the files sounds like going to my game files and doing things that could crash the game directly

[full raft]

Don't. Edit only Files in your Mod. If your Mod doesn't have the File you wish to edit, copy it in from the Vanilla Files (+putting it in the proper folder structure, obv.)

[elder tundra]

Let me see what do I have to copy

[full raft]

The technologies folder in common is what I would start with

[elder tundra]

Done

[full raft]

Yeah and now the fun part. Check the error.log and go through the errors, removing the terms in the technology files referring to, say, completed Foci in the lines mentioned.
Tip: All of these terms should be within the AI_will_do blocks and if you move from the bottom up in the errors, you ensure that the Linenumber stays accurate, despite your edits.

[elder tundra]

ooh

MTG_naval first?

[full raft]

Yup. Total Conversion is a lot of work.
You can start with whatever File.

[elder tundra]

from bottom to up

[full raft]

Bottom to top, yeah

[elder tundra]

That is the last one

Line 494 to 493

[full raft]

Yeah, the modifiers gotta go. There may be some that work, but a clean cut will hardly do major damage.

[elder tundra]

Erase both modifiers

494 to 487

[full raft]

Yes, as there is neither a Germany nor an anti_submarine_strategy_required_trigger anymore

[full raft]

That closing Bracket beneath the selected Line still has to go, but yes

[elder tundra]

Ok

Done now to NSB_armor.txt

[full raft]

Remove the if bloc (Line '53 to '75, inclusive)

[full raft]

Okay, you can also remove on_research_complete { }

[elder tundra]

Done

[full raft]

And? How are the errors looking?

[elder tundra]

Now I will test it

Wot?

[elder tundra]

Crashed again let me see the log

Now there is little errors in the NSB and MTG

[full raft]

On to the next Files 👍

[elder tundra]

You sure?

Most of the leftover errors are in NSB

[full raft]

Oh, I misunderstood.

[elder tundra]

I fix them already

Now im doing air doctrine

[full raft]

But the error log did shrink by 8 kb, so you are doing something right

[elder tundra]

Yea

Done the air doctrines now I'll test it

A new crash

[full raft]

less kB?

[elder tundra]

126 kb

[full raft]

And on we go 👍

[chilly field]

How would I make a formable remove a certain core instead of adding

A core

[full raft]

remove_core_of = TAG

[chilly field]

Oh ok ty

[elder tundra]

Ok fix the electrical mechanical, industry and land doctrine. Now the test

[rose heath]

how the hell do i get rid of these errors i cannot find this anywhere

[full raft]

Are those checks within Statescopes?

[rose heath]

i wish i knew how to answer that

[full raft]

Are they in Brackets following a State ID?
For example:
1 = { is_controlled_by = FRA }
I ask because the Error Messages look weird and I am wondering, if the Syntax is correct

[elder tundra]

Crash

[rose heath]

well i mean neither the states, nor the countries in the errors exist
and i'm currently trying to find a file in which something causing this could be

[elder tundra]

Oh wow

Now the error is 95kb

[rose heath]

i checked all scripted_triggers files

the error itself does not cause any problems, but i just hate the thousands of spam errors

[full raft]

The Problems would appear eventually. What kind of Mod are you making?

[rose heath]

a map overhaul with custom countries

[elder tundra]

Hahaha