challenge-questions

[cloud wharf]

but in sp is kinda an insane thing to say

[chrome maple]

So you changed the code of the game?

[tacit sapphire]

They are game nerds

[cloud wharf]

using lag to bug the game

[chrome maple]

That is what are you saying

[chrome maple]

Indeed

[random grove]

I get kicked for abusing it...

[tacit sapphire]

Cheats or not, changing a games code without breaking it is impressive

[chrome maple]

It is but I doubt that this is the case

[still dagger]

Its not that hard with Hoi

[random grove]

Changing the code itself would disable achievements, I just went... deeper

[cloud wharf]

u can enable console with ironman lol

[chrome maple]

Hoi4's code isn't posted somewhere to change the base game

[random grove]

yes

[tacit sapphire]

Could u show the wt log?

[random grove]

I can prove it rn

[tacit sapphire]

With all the events?

[cloud wharf]

like this whole thing is moot

[chrome maple]

Anyways you admited to have cheated in your run

[random grove]

Give me a second to open 100 tabs in my browser to lag my pc

[random grove]

All fair game

It's in iron man and I beat it

[chrome maple]

You just said you modified the game's code

[still dagger]

You can get it in December 36

[random grove]

Not really

All I did was read the code character by character until I found a few gaps

Plus high performing games tweak when you're very laggy

[chrome maple]

And this magically allowed you to justify on Germany...

[tacit sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/954031666010128474/1313847722591129640/caption-4.gif

Bruh

[random grove]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-tom-cruise-maverick-classified-secret-gif-5041272

[chrome maple]

Oh so you indeed cheated

[tacit sapphire]

U just posted

[chrome maple]

Nice

[tacit sapphire]

Ok

[random grove]

not in the run

my pc wasn't laggy enough

[chrome maple]

Your run is clearly not legit

[tacit sapphire]

U shown console so the achievements

With the *

[random grove]

Guess I'll forfeight the challenge for y'all

[chrome maple]

No you don't have to, I was just looking for some answers as your run looked sus

[tacit sapphire]

10 hours of Austria wasted, we love hoi4

[chrome maple]

You absolutely do not have to listen to us

[random grove]

So... I can stay in the run, I'll just give you guys the reward

[chrome maple]

I'm starting to think that might have been a lie too but idk

Maybe his pc lagged the time too

[tacit sapphire]

I mean

U can check country stats

Remember

Select Austria

Singleplayer

Vanilla

[chrome maple]

I don't really care for the reward, I just wish people wouldn't cheat so much in these challenges

[random grove]

Alright

Next challenge I'll use a high-end PC so it can't lag

[chrome maple]

Lag won't let you justify on countries

[random grove]

...

Have you been listening?

[chrome maple]

You haven't been explaining

[random grove]

I didn't use the lag bug for justifying, I used it for threats

I'm going to bed

[chrome maple]

Sure buddy

[chrome maple]

Good night

[empty lintel]

how do you even beat germany that early

myself i can't beat germany that easily as a minor

[chrome maple]

Well probably the first 2 runs aren't legit as the first one is way too suspicious and in the second one there were bugs used which are not allowed

[tacit sapphire]

I have a really funny idea

[chrome maple]

Challenge so fun I actually continued the run

[chrome maple]

What?

[tacit sapphire]

Using a slight glitch I can do something funny

[solar cove]

so apparently the focus next to removing the treaty turn u fascist

so that makes sense

still no idea how they got the war goal that early though

[solar cove]

how...

[still dagger]

Wait as communists or fascist?

[cloud wharf]

He cheated

I think he edited the game code lol

[solar cove]

commie

[still dagger]

Oh then idk

[solar cove]

oh you went fascist

ok

[still dagger]

Fascist gets wargoal on December 16th 1936

[solar cove]

idk i feel like commie can do some spain grind and kill germany with 9 veteran militias

fascist seems weaker?

[cloud wharf]

No u want to go to war as soon as possible

[still dagger]

The thing here is speed

[solar cove]

let me try fascist

[cloud wharf]

I mean this guy cheating is insane lol

Like i save scum my iron man saves

But my guy straight up edit game code

[still dagger]

I mean both the entries are kinda sus

[cloud wharf]

I mean yea

37 seems sus

Considering when u can get the wg

[still dagger]

I would say its more the divisions

[empty lintel]

are militias more effective against germany than normal infantry?

[solar cove]

but how do you beat them that early...

[still dagger]

That is why 37 seems sus to me

[cloud wharf]

u got to bait them into encirclements

[empty lintel]

also don't you get no iron man icon when you modify files?

[cloud wharf]

no

the check for ironman is pretty rudimentary

[still dagger]

That much is simple in theory but how do you encircle the Germans when you can even notionally fill width

[cloud wharf]

yea i mean thats the big thing

i did the fra thing

[still dagger]

Like that is the sus part for me

[cloud wharf]

and pushing the germans was not easy lol

@solid gust i think people should post their savegames with image in future runs

[still dagger]

Seconded

[cloud wharf]

it make it easier for everyone to check their valididity

[solid gust]

It is a good idea, though I cannot go through every save game myself

(i do not have the hours for it)

[tacit sapphire]

I will if I get a free dlc 😎

[still dagger]

You don't have to in theory

[cloud wharf]

yea just the fastest

plus im pretty sure the people here

are willing to gut the cheaters lol

[still dagger]

The savegames are there to effectively replace the person explaining how it is done

[tacit sapphire]

Someone who wants first place will happily rip apart someone’s save for a chance to win

[solid gust]

There is that, yes, however if we are going to do that, I would have to designate someone to help out with it, and I do not have something for compensation for that which I would prefer to do if someone is helping me

as I do not want people to do things for me unless I can compensate that, which at the moment I am unable to do

[cloud wharf]

i mean just have them post it

[still dagger]

It's very hard to cheat in a way that isn't obvious but is also impactful especially in context to this challenge

[still dagger]

You wouldn't even have to, we would rip each other apart

[cloud wharf]

all for the dlc

[tacit sapphire]

It’s like the hunger games

[cloud wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-the-mocking-jay-the-hunger-games-hunger-games-mocking-jay-gif-17322681

[tacit sapphire]

Or squid game, however u wanna think of it

[solar cove]

😭 I bait myself into encirclements

[chrome maple]

If you are talking about the communist path, that focus changes the name of the non aligned and fascist party but it doesn't change the rulling party. Also he said that he is non aligned and not fascist (even tho he has the fascist flag)

[solar cove]

it does

try it

but they shouldn't get the war goal that early

and the description makes very little sense

[chrome maple]

Oh yeah it actually does, my bad

Interesting that it isn't mentioned in the focus description

[slim sentinel]

Okay, I'm gonna need a video on those who did it before 1939. I've been struggling.

[solar cove]

1939 is very easy😭

question is how to get is early enough

[random grove]

Guess I'll take 2nd place.

[lunar saffron]

Guys im not even trying

There is no way to do this with generic focus

At least like in 37

[random grove]

How many hours you got in the game?

[lunar saffron]

1500

[tacit sapphire]

How do I even beat jull 22 of 37

[random grove]

I could do the run and send you the screenshots to submit for yourself

Or I could re-submit my first run and give you to prize

Or I can do another clean run but waste 10 more hours beating Jul 22 without abusing bugs

[tacit sapphire]

I will try to do the challenge anyway

[random grove]

Your loss

Screw it, imma try to beat it and reclaim my title

without using bugs

[quartz hearth]

Does it have to be historical?

[tacit sapphire]

Yes

For AI

players can be alt

[charred timber]

im pretty sure there are still ways to modify savefiles without being easily visible

there are mods already which can let you make unlock achievements without ironman mode, use the console on ironman etc etc

[cloud wharf]

Yea but editing save files is way harder

Than cheating

[charred timber]

I would do it for free, if you convince entire pdx to remove Belgium from the game

sorry, some guys who bough the DLC and Bitt3rsteel fans would be pissed, but do we very need to care for their opinion? I dont think so

or as exchange, remove Belgium Content, add Luxemburgish stuff

thats a fair solution

[random grove]

Okay im starting to doubt beating Jul 22 37 is impossible without abusing bugs...

[charred timber]

what are you even debating about? thats not a valid submit, where is the cursor on the achievement icon?

so how can we know ironman is on?

[cloud wharf]

Its golden

Its on

[charred timber]

ohh

didnt notice that

[random grove]

I love how no one will question this sentence

[quartz hearth]

Is this even possible without any dlcs?I am on my 3rd try and I am 100% sure I can't get all of Germany in the peace deal

[random grove]

It is somewhat possible, the DLCs just help at some cases

[chrome maple]

I said multiple times that his run is also cheated. His run has 212 cp (which is impossible) and he argued that it was a visual bug(which is also impossible). He also lied about some facts from his run like coring Bohemia when it's literally impossible to complete the focus in that time. Also not coring Bohemia means his manpower is way to high for an Austria without extra cores

[random grove]

So... his run is ilegible?

[chrome maple]

Yeah

I mean, that's Chek's decision

[random grove]

So you're saying I have a chance to take 1st place by technicality?

[chrome maple]

Yeah, but I suggest this time you keep the save of your game

[random grove]

Why?

SOB, I always overwrite my saves

Run 3 here I come...

[chrome maple]

I mean you have admitted of editing the game's code before + posted a "bugged" run so I think it's clear your run should be checked if it's in the top 3

But this time I have to say that, at least from what's visible from the screenshot, your run looks legit

[quartz hearth]

will this count?

[chrome maple]

No, you have to be at peace and own all of Germany

[tacit sapphire]

What does that even mean

I had that

Lmao

[random grove]

I got mine from my bf

What's that anime?

[tacit sapphire]

I got it from Reddit

[random grove]

The only image I saved from reddit is Sans and Bluey plotting to kill someone

[tacit sapphire]

lol

[tacit sapphire]

i give up

[tacit sapphire]

how to do people do it by 37

tf

[empty lintel]

communist path is the best to get rid of the spirit

[lucid cliff]

will the fascist path get rid of the national spirit

[random grove]

Yes but it has more national focuses to actually get there

But if you want to declare war sooner then yes, fascist path is the way

[modern jackal]

how do you get army xp as austria

[modern jackal]

show the entire screenshot next time

[tacit sapphire]

We know he is cheating lol

[modern jackal]

im guessing the ironman trophy could easily be changed with some photoshop

thats why he didnt hover over it

since then it would be harder to edit

[tacit sapphire]

I saw what I deleted

U deleted*

[modern jackal]

im reposting it

1 sec

in fact you can see the difference between his (1) and the normal trophy icon (2)

[tacit sapphire]

They aren’t centered

lol

[empty lintel]

rush to get an attack

chief

[worthy vapor]

u can easily do it yeah

u just need to cheese the game by a lot

[quartz hearth]

How?

[random grove]

Great, now I just have to redo my run so I can have a save file that won't be overwritten...

[modern jackal]

so many focuses

lol

[random grove]

Changed my strategy, fascist path is best

As long as you annex Hungary and Czech peacefully to get their units

[tacit sapphire]

0 manpower gonna go brrr

[random grove]

Yeah, and waiting for pp to go up to change conscription laws

[glad vector]

i didn't realize the F path could do this - must check 🙂

[random grove]

Enter the political decisions tab and look over Hungary or Czech, you'll see pop ups that can help you annex them, and it took me 4 tries to get them to likely to accept state

[tacit sapphire]

@solid gust , party pooper

3/5 stars on yelp

[random grove]

I can't stop...

I'm too far in...

[tacit sapphire]

Please don’t do it in the hoi4 server

[worthy vapor]

All according to plan

[simple umbra]

Im not exactly a communist however, She could surely change my mind

[random grove]

I give up, I'll just take 2nd place

Not going to do another 10 runs just to be a week earlier

[lucid cliff]

why cant i get the achievement of the people have stood up?

[charred timber]

Get some help

[random grove]

No

[pseudo lava]

Mod name

[random grove]

Not mine

#challenge-submissions

[tacit sapphire]

Bro is down bad

[tacit sapphire]

What was the mod

(Asking for a friend)

[worthy vapor]

Hearts of anime

[pseudo lava]

Hearts of anime

U idiotic cheeto

[tacit sapphire]

That makes sense ngl

[devout cedar]

Santa, why you want to know it?

Your suspicious

And…he left

[tacit sapphire]

Who

[worthy vapor]

He has workout to do

[tacit sapphire]

For a freind

[devout cedar]

No.

Not buying it

[charred timber]

probably Toastland: Hearts oof Anime. If you download it, you are cringe

[pseudo lava]

Ig im cringe

[charred timber]

get out

some fresh air

[tacit sapphire]

Hear me out

[charred timber]

cringe mod

[worthy vapor]

Wrong one

[charred timber]

i dont want to see the correct one

[cloud wharf]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3119878556

Only good nod is childrens doodle

Reject every other mod 🥰

[solid gust]

so THAT's the mod you use

its kinda cute

[cloud wharf]

Ikr

Too bad the mod authur stopped updating the mod 😭

[odd grotto]

send mod yo

[odd grotto]

NO WAY YOURE BACK

Insane Murkesha

🗿

[still dagger]

He down bad

[deft plume]

Hearts of Terminally Online Degerates

[random grove]

Can the next challenge be something like "most mined ocean wins"

[chrome maple]

@random grove your latest run is bug free, no?

[random grove]

It is

I can send the save

[chrome maple]

How are you training your army on full org?

[random grove]

Okay maybe a bit of a bug I abused...

Also that's different from the one i submitted

[chrome maple]

Hmm sure

Liar liar pants on fire🔥

Surely your latest submission is bug free

[random grove]

I'm forfeiting, but if you want my save file just let me know

[chrome maple]

You don't have to forfeit because of me, I have no power. I was just curious

[tacit sapphire]

If he forfeits, can I have his run time fr

[random grove]

I can send you my file save then you can screenshot it yourself

[tacit sapphire]

Great idea!

[random grove]

We all know what's wrong with this run, who's gonna tell them?

[random grove]

I'm bored in class so I'm just gonna say it... he chose the French

[tacit sapphire]

lol

[sly current]

Ok tell me everything I did wrong

I am new out here

[worthy vapor]

Read the challange first lol

[sly current]

Where?

[random grove]

1. You chose France instead of Austria.
2. It won't technically be Aschluss.
3. You chose France of all things...
4. You had the audacity to go French.

Also bro, give your boys a field Marshall

[sly current]

Thank you

[sly current]

Okay

[sly current]

Now I know

[random grove]

This should be the next challenge...

[celest canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-looking-up-scared-among-us-gif-27315085

You live in Japan

[tacit sapphire]

This is Ironman right?

Seems

Possible

[random grove]

Nope

I just got bored and decides to put "the land of the rising sun" to the test

[tacit sapphire]

Yknow

China

Is pretty fun

For some reason Japan went democratic

Lost the civil war

And declared on me in 42

[random grove]

How...

[tacit sapphire]

Idk

Because of that

Manchuko was free

So I declared on them

Since that’s like 100+ factories

They gaurenteed manchuko

Both Germany and Japan

So they joined the axis

[random grove]

Bro...

[tacit sapphire]

Then for some reason my puppet sent divs to Bulgaria

[random grove]

Type it in a single paragraph...

[tacit sapphire]

How

About

No

I

Don’t

Feel

Like

It

[random grove]

You're texting like an excited girl telling her friend some "good" news.

[tacit sapphire]

U see

I am excited about that
And it was good news
Since it’s fun

[random grove]

Hast thou not been graciously instructed in the noble and most esteemed art of crafting thy thoughts into a flowing, eloquent, and exquisitely adorned paragraph, where each word, like a pearl upon a golden thread, doth contribute to the grandeur and majesty of well-ordered speech?

[tacit sapphire]

Could u go in this white van with the title
“Forced organ donation inc”

[random grove]

Nay, I believe I shall abstain from such endeavors, for my disposition is inclined otherwise, and I see no compelling cause to alter my present course of thought or action.

[tacit sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-bro-you're-getting-touched-tonight-gif-14870187556092555468

(Respectfully ofc)

[random grove]

https://tenor.com/view/buster-keaton-tea-gif-11399815

Permit me, good sir, to assure thee that I shall extend my touch with the highest regard for civility and the most reverent decorum, wherein my gesture shall be but a delicate and respectful acknowledgment of thy distinguished presence, executed with the grace and refinement befitting one who cherishes the virtues of propriety and noble comportment.

[tacit sapphire]

No

[random grove]

Pray, what cause or reasoning dost thou present that might illuminate the motives behind such an inquiry, for I am most intrigued to comprehend the depths of thy curiosity?

[random grove]

https://tenor.com/view/smug-face-sips-tea-dead-gif-24160201

[devout cedar]

I would support

[past lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-funny-i-love-you-blinking-eyes-gif-14238853402852468827

[sly current]

Lmao

[floral herald]

Why i dont get achivment? can someone help?

When i counqer all the word achvments turn on X

whole game they was active to comlpete

[random grove]

Did you have ironman mode on?

[raven nest]

Which country did u play

[raven nest]

Yes it says he has

[random grove]

Finally took someone a day to respond

[floral herald]

UK

[cloud wharf]

do u own the dlc

achievements also require u to own the dlc

[worthy vapor]

@grand silo hearts of anime mod

[raven nest]

They dont?

Or do they?

I dont think they do

[cloud wharf]

they do

[solid gust]

some of them require certain focuses to have been used

some of those focuses are within DLC trees

[cloud wharf]

no i think they actually requires dlc as a prerequisite

iirc

[solid gust]

from what I understand, they need a specific focus or tech to trigger

which is why the sub works for achievements as well

else 'temp' ownership wouldn't allow you to trigger

[cloud wharf]

actually

yea i think ur right

sorry 😭

[glad vector]

I don't have the fastest submission, but it took me way more tries than I hoped for, so I'm already happy I made it 🙂

[worthy vapor]

Did you use militias for your run? In that political tree u should be able to battle plan germany down with militas (cause they get like +75% stats)

[glad vector]

ha, no I didn't. that should really make the difference 🙂

[worthy vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1328728070731071608/1328848527069155450/Screenshot_2025-01-14_133626.png?ex=6790c3e1&is=678f7261&hm=245a7d8da4fdbde6d361ba9958a36d5a22ad11c0fdd4c5077f87573ca4f760be& If anyone wants to get a faster time

[worthy vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1328728070731071608/1328848527559757925/Screenshot_2025-01-14_134534.png?ex=6790c3e1&is=678f7261&hm=e9635768f1e710bdf405e779fd06583c1543316d6bca49871a84826802f6d1a4&

[worthy vapor]

The focuses that give u militias spawn them in with full Equipment, so u can just edit them before and add as much as u want ( so a lot of heavys)

[glad vector]

brilliant

[signal frost]

No way, I thought PDX patched this trick

[worthy vapor]

well yeah for germany but not in any new country lmao

[empty lintel]

how do yo ueven afford this

[worthy vapor]

u dont u get the equipment for free

[empty lintel]

you get heavies for free?

[glad vector]

might actually make one this evening

I thought I was bad at this one, but it turns out I did allright considering

[worthy vapor]

Yes

[glad vector]

I managed a quite decent recording, anschlussing Germany late may 1940. Now for some editing....

[sonic scroll]

best doctrine as albania? I plan on invading italy

[tacit sapphire]

freaky ahh

[raven nest]

Mass assault

[solar cove]

OH I DISCOVERED THIS WHEN THE DLC CAME OUT I SHOULD HAVE USED THIS

lmao

[worthy vapor]

Still not fixed

[empty lintel]

from a focus or what

[glad vector]

Well technically thats an exploit so no idea what the jury would do with that 😉

[tacit sapphire]

It’s a feature

[cloud wharf]

Its a feature thay pdx tried time and time again to patch 🥰

[solid gust]

Reminder that the challenge ends in just a few hours, consider anything after 9am invalid

[worthy vapor]

Even if ,it doesnt say anything about exploits

[tacit sapphire]

9 am what time zone

[solid gust]

est

[tacit sapphire]

U said that at 8:15 AM est
How is 9 am est in a few hours?

My brain is not working

[solid gust]

hm, message didnt go out at 7am when i sent it

odd

[tacit sapphire]

lol

[solid gust]

discord do be discord

[tacit sapphire]

Yes

[still dagger]

Why not just use a unix time stamp instead?

[solid gust]

usually do, just couldnt get hammertime to open this morning

(i use that for my timestamps)

[empty lintel]

when new challenge

[glad vector]

#soon

[solid gust]

I'm still in my meetings, it'll be a tiny tiny bit later than usual

[tacit sapphire]

We should help choose a challenge for Chak fr

[still dagger]

Ooh GoE soon?

[solid gust]

not that kind of meeting haha

[worthy vapor]

Bruh

[solid gust]

okay, I am now out of my meeting, will go over the submissions and get the next challenge out soon 👍🏻

[solid gust]

only issue with this is that if you guys come up with the challenges yourself, instead of me, then I would have to give you a reward and that ain't how the challenges work

I wouldn't have you do my work for me for nothing, either, that ain't fair

i do take inspiration from yall, though, just not flat out your ideas

that and achievement runs are fun sometimes, so i integrate those too

[tacit sapphire]

Encircle 52 Luxembourg divisions

Great challenge

[still dagger]

What if I voluntarily give up all rewards related to the challenge?

[solid gust]

that'd be me taking advantage of y'all, wouldn't do that

[tacit sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/superb-idea-superb-idea-cat-thumbs-up-cat-gif-18270110337435478324

[solid gust]

also @worthy vapor mind running through things with me on how you achieved the challenge?

outside of the cheese strat which I will allow this time, though probs not in the future (will discuss it with people)

[worthy vapor]

I mean nothing else really i just rushed the communist tree(gets the most spawn in militia), got a war goal in like august and continously encircled germany until they didnt have a lot divs left and rushed them down with 2 width cav

[solid gust]

The Dynasty Lives On! Challenge Rules

As Manchukuo, unite all of the China's and form the Qing Empire

-Must begin as Manchukuo in the 1936 scenario, with Ironman Enabled, and you cannot swap countries
-No Mods other than graphical ones are allowed
-There is NO time requirement for this challenge, just achieve it to be entered.
-You must be at peace at the time of your submission, still being at war invalidates it
-You must hover over the ironman icon to prove you have it enabled, just having the lit up icon will not work

Submission requirements
-Screenshot showing you own all of the different warlords' starting lands as the Qing Empire
-Screenshot hovering over the Ironman Icon for the dropdown menu to open.
If you do not hover over the icon, your run will be marked invalid.

Gameplay Restrictions
-No Unit restrictions since this is one of the 'easy' challenges, just have fun
-No Obvious bug abusing, please, use common sense.

[tacit sapphire]

Chak

I just did

A Manchu game

3 days ago

[still dagger]

Do I get bonus points if I do navy larp?

[vast crest]

Skill issue

[solid gust]

did you?

lmao my bad

[tacit sapphire]

I’m taking ur bread permissions

[solid gust]

I've had this one in my pocket for a lil bit but i keep trying to go to different parts of the map

[still dagger]

Also easiest Chak challenge

[solid gust]

easiest challenge was big brother

where u give all of france over to belgium lol

[burnt bridge]

wasn't that the germany puppet belgium one?

Yea lmao

[tacit sapphire]

I have a funny idea

[glad vector]

Wasn't it the Chinese Empire instead of Qing Enpire?

[tacit sapphire]

I believe there is a bug to get most of China

Lu jian, u were there with me in a vc when it happened

[burnt bridge]

It is called the chinese empire yea

[tacit sapphire]

Qing is Mongolia, Tibet, and all of other Chinas right?

[burnt bridge]

Don't think it includes mongolia and tibet

Lemme check the focus

[solid gust]

the focus makes it the chinese empire or the qing, its one of them

but in the spirit of the challenge it was for the Qing

as a dynasty

for funny aha naming scheme of the challenge

[tacit sapphire]

some maps say quing owns the vladivistok area

[solid gust]

@coral owl you got caught in the filter but stain here named himself that to be funny

[coral owl]

lmao

[solid gust]

its also not the actual link, its minus the ending letter of discord

because its filtered

[tacit sapphire]

u should like

[coral owl]

So do we need to do it in the shortest time?

[tacit sapphire]

unblock that last letter

[solid gust]

nah, this challenge is a for fun one

just do the requirements and ur entered

[solid gust]

nope, cant regulate discord invite pictures, so I wont allow them

i do not need people putting NSFW server invite banners on their servers to use here

[tacit sapphire]

literally 1984

[coral owl]

Il just do Heavy tank 1936 divs

[solid gust]

technically 1944

[coral owl]

as manchuria

[tacit sapphire]

technically

ur bread embargoed

[solid gust]

i am the owner of all the manufacturers of bread, you have been reduced to a puppet

now hush

[tacit sapphire]

erm

[heavy vapor]

What if i just do world conguest as Manchukuo

[tacit sapphire]

nuh uh

[solid gust]

that also works provided you include the required screenshots

is a 4 fun challenge

just enjoy it

[coral owl]

Btw i heard a new iron man compatible mod that gives you insane buffs got realeased

[heavy vapor]

I know what to do for the next 10 hours

[tacit sapphire]

imagine being a puppet

[heavy vapor]

or, what i will attempt of course

[tacit sapphire]

literally got this on my manchu game

[solid gust]

that... shouldn't be a thing

[coral owl]

well i think it is

[tacit sapphire]

give me the link fr (for a math project ofc)

[heavy vapor]

wasnt it patched?

[coral owl]

i used it last time to get a few achievements

like yesterday

[heavy vapor]

i remember that being a thing 1-2 years ago

[coral owl]

idk it works for me

[tacit sapphire]

give me it fr fr

[coral owl]

the new one atleast

[iron valve]

This goes for the fastest time right?

[solid gust]

gimme the link if possible ( I ain't gonna take it down I just wanna know, because the challenges would not allow for it to be used)

[solid gust]

nah, this one is just achieve the requirements and have fun

rng will choose the winners

[iron valve]

alr

Does it require any more land than the whole china?

[signal frost]

No need for Mongolia, right? Just the Chinese warlords

[solid gust]

nah just the china's this time around

[signal frost]

Neat, no Siberia war

[solid gust]

is an easy challenge, no need to add another war to it

[signal frost]

I assume it isn't a speedrun. So maybe I can do it for brownie points

And pray to rng that I get picked

[solid gust]

not timed no, all the additional rules already pinned for ya

[tacit sapphire]

shhh

shhh

[solid gust]

nah dont need the historical map this time around

[tacit sapphire]

taiwan is gonna be fun

same for the ports

[solid gust]

just the different warlords starting lands and it should be fine

[tacit sapphire]

mk

would like est hebie count

the thing next to bejeing

[worthy vapor]

join the chinese united front during the war of independence

china will get taiwan

[tacit sapphire]

u would still need to beat china...

i have a funny idea

[cinder otter]

Only the capitulation date of Germany was took in count for Austria challenge ?

[solid gust]

the time of the submission is the time taken, yes

[cinder otter]

Sad

[solid gust]

when its time based challenges, that is the submission's requirement

for a challenge like the new one from today, its RNG, so you just accomplish the challenge, submit the required screenshot and a random number generator chooses the winner

[cinder otter]

Okay
Because I thought you took also in count the path choose, creativity and so on

[solid gust]

mainly because I can't spend time going through everyone's save file

[cinder otter]

Understandable

[solid gust]

sometimes we do, sometimes we dont

unless its specified in the rules then its just the time

there are plenty of challenges we've used creativity to determine who wins, like the hidden leader challenge where you just get one of the ledears from a hidden path, we're not going to choose 3 winners all with the same hidden leader, we'll choose some of the others ones too

[cinder otter]

Okay I got it
Oh well, my Austria run with all cores was pretty fun
But I could have not cap Germany in sep 38 with that strat

[solid gust]

it was a good run, I liked it 🙂

[ember compass]

Yeah they did historically

[ember compass]

True

[ember compass]

If you're playing historical it won't be too bad, just capitulate China then let the US do all the fighting in the islands for you

Or join the Axis against the USSR and call them into Japan war

[hushed stag]

How do we win the challenge? The fastest ones win?

[solid gust]

this one is just achieve the challenge requirements and RNG will decide the winners

[hushed stag]

so i have a chance

[solid gust]

yes

that is the point of the easier challenges

fair playing field so long as you achieve the requirements

[modern jackal]

fighting in china sucks so bad

[tacit sapphire]

why is bro fighting everyone

japan is way stronger than china

let japan push china

and be a few tiles behind japan

japan usually get 1-2 divs per tile along the whole chinese front

[modern jackal]

i killed like 20 japanese divisions in korea

they have no army left

i cant let china take all the land

and profit from a weakened japan

while im sitting idle

• i figured it would be the fastest way to do it

[random grove]

Now this I can do without abusing bugs

Imma do it after school though

[random grove]

1. What are the rewards?
2. What considered a win besides taking all of China and being in peace?

[jolly cobalt]

Can you play on non-historical?

[tacit sapphire]

yes

[solid gust]

Unless mentioned specifically, you can do hist or non hist I don't stop people from either one most times

[empty lintel]

do we need the vladivostok part?

[solid gust]

rewards for challenges are dlc steam codes, as always, nothing physical

as long as you complete the requirement of owning all of the different warlords' 1936 starting land, and are at peace, its considered valid. the winner will be chosen by a random number generator

[solid gust]

no just the warlords stuff, wont make you fight the soviets and such

is just an easy challenge

already complicated enough

[rocky stratus]

Do I also have to have Hong Kong and Macau?

[random grove]

Guess I'll create multiple account, and I won't say who's who

[worthy vapor]

No like he said only the warlords

Just join the chinese united front in the independence war , then peace out with japan together with china and then u can easily defeat the chinese united front

(Bc u can also demand that all warlords become your puppets)

[rocky stratus]

Yes, I noticed that.
I keep laughing at how my Qing empire turned out

[hidden tangle]

qing empire is a bit hard tbh

ive only ever gotten it by non hist ai with jap turning communist

[daring mountain]

wait did i form the wrong shit

[solid gust]

chinese empire is valid to me

though I dont know if you did the focus or not, the name might be different based on the DLC's one has

[daring mountain]

oh

[still dagger]

If they did the focus its Chinese Empire else its Qing China

[solid gust]

I always forget, appreciate the clarification

too much to do, too little time in the day to do it aha

[still dagger]

Ironically I think it might be bugged

[sleek oxide]

is that all i need? just want to be sure

[solid gust]

seems correct to me yeah

[tacit sapphire]

Is that a Tibet civil war

[sleek oxide]

sadly not

i had hist ai off and i got communist france and uk, failed communist civil war in russia and america got an brazilian empire

ai did take down mitteleuropa tibet was in it and they did a normal ai peacedeal

[quartz hearth]

When do you get the option to form Qing?

[glad vector]

Qing is the name you get when declaring independence

[random grove]

What graphics mod is that?

[daring mountain]

Fps map

[random grove]

ohhh

I've been in the workshop typing anti-lag no lag

[lunar saffron]

do i need dalian and the area above beijing that is japan in 36?

[modern jackal]

yes

all chinese cores

i mean you're gonna be fighting japan anyways

[worthy vapor]

No

U dont need the ports

[quartz hearth]

If i have all cores and i am at war would that count?

[empty lintel]

no, you need peace

[slim sentinel]

Quick question. I need to reject the Japanese for the challenge right?

[tacit sapphire]

Japanese what

Surrender?

Annexing

Puppeting?

Trade?

[slim sentinel]

Reject their overlordship.

[tacit sapphire]

Yes

[slim sentinel]

Thought so.

[lunar saffron]

Guys help

When im at war with japan

And i conquer mainland

They whitepeace

But keep dalian and east hubei area

[empty lintel]

@cedar juniper you need peace

[cedar juniper]

Where's that in the rules

[empty lintel]

@cedar juniper

[iron valve]

what will be the prizes?

[cloud wharf]

dlc of ur choice

[iron valve]

just 1 prize?

or will there be 2 other winners of the usual armor/music packs?

[cloud wharf]

up to chak i think

[iron valve]

mhm

[daring mountain]

this save was perfect until ccp joined the allies

[burnt bridge]

#challenge-submissions message
@tawny spear you have to be at peace to have your submission count

[tawny spear]

I know

someone alr told me

I will maybe try again today idk

bc I did this on non historical and somehow I got in a war with the UK and italy

[fervent slate]

Does anyone have any tips on how to beat the allies so you can take Hong Kong

[daring mountain]

I don't think this challenge need to take Honkong

[glad vector]

In your war against china or japan you might be able to justify and declare on portugal and take macau. In the peacedeal take a portugese port in europe and get the japanese navy. But the invasion if the uk is still tricky these days

[charred timber]

Max buff axis so they naval invade uk

[fervent slate]

I have all of Japan and china but it won’t let me do the Mandate of Heaven focus unless I have those ports

[tacit sapphire]

Just take the warlords

Not the ports

[daring mountain]

true i guess

[glad vector]

its weirdly worded, but you shouldn't need those ports for that focus

[solid gust]

Raj Against The Machine! Challenge Rules

As the British Raj, claim your independence by any means necessary and conquer your former overlord

-Must begin as the British Raj in the 1936 scenario, with Ironman enabled and you are not allowed to swap countries at any point.
-No Mods other than Graphical ones
-NO time requirement for this challenge, just achieve it by becoming independent and Owning all of the UK's starting territory (this does NOT include their puppet's)
-You must be at peace at the time of your submission

Gameplay Restrictions
-This is an additional 'easy' challenge, so no real unit restrictions, however you must build at least one Bob Semple Tank and include it in your screenshot

Screenshot requirements
-Screenshot showing you own all of the UK's starting territory (this includes Northern Ireland)
-For your submission, you must hover over the ironman icon to show the drop-down menu or your run will be invalidated. (this can be the same as the first requirement)
-One screenshot showing you have a Bob Semple Tank deployed (You dont ever have to use it, just need to have it)
IF for whatever reason you cannot obtain a Bob Semple Tank, a larger Special Project vehicle will suffice

[tacit sapphire]

Just the British isles right?

Not like Hong Kong

[still dagger]

MFW the easy challenge is in fact the hardest one

[solid gust]

this is like a 'medium' one

[tacit sapphire]

Wdym bob sample tank

[solid gust]

its classified as an easy one because i removed the time requirement

[cyan oar]

why does the british raj need the bob semple

[solid gust]

because i want it

[still dagger]

Where are you supposed to get a bob semple from

[solid gust]

I want one singular bob semple

[tacit sapphire]

Real

[solid gust]

you gotta get it either from the market, or talk to new zealand

[daring mountain]

Did I do anything wrong in this one

[tacit sapphire]

My broke ass don’t have the market

Ives scammed me

[solid gust]

not that I saw, no.

but winners are chosen by RNG for the easy challenges

[still dagger]

Which is the hardest part of this challenge because its complete RNG if New Zealand does the focus or not

[daring mountain]

What's rng

[solid gust]

random number generator

[tacit sapphire]

Random

Building a navy sounds great as India

[solid gust]

i check if a submission is valid or not, then give it a number, then a RNG chooses the winners

[daring mountain]

I thought it was chosen by the date

[tacit sapphire]

No

He will tell u if so

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1216418208400281661/1223313095552667689/attachment-1-1.gif

[still dagger]

Is there any way to guarantee New Zealand does the bob semple focus?

[solid gust]

unless I specify it in the pinned rules of the current challenge, the winner is chosen by RNG

[tacit sapphire]

Pray

[solid gust]

iirc if its on historical they do it

would have to double check

[tacit sapphire]

Can I use the millinium dawn mod for this run

🔥

[solid gust]

yk what i am going to answer you with

[still dagger]

The problem is there enough time to get Bob Semple before 41

[tacit sapphire]

Yes

[solid gust]

?

[still dagger]

Also looks like its time to paratrooper exploit this challenge

[tacit sapphire]

Is there an Ironman compatible mod which starts the game at 31st December 1935?

I need that 1 extra day of prep

[solid gust]

i think there used to be one

but it wasnt updated lol

[tacit sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-star-wars-darth-vader-gif-8348766

[still dagger]

I'm just going to paratrooper exploit it

[tacit sapphire]

Let’s do mobile warfare

[still dagger]

That way I don't have to do with pesky things like naval invasions

[tacit sapphire]

I might as well try to get the nuclear India achievement as well

[still dagger]

You might as well since this is probably going to be a WC run

[tacit sapphire]

lol

[solid gust]

not really, once you start going althist most likely Britian will decolonise

thus breaking the alliances

[tacit sapphire]

“Most likely”

Keep that in mind

[solid gust]

well, if you take too long, ofc it wont lol

[tacit sapphire]

I should wait till the Ingame date is today

[still dagger]

The issue I see with this run is balancing the two major requirements because they are polar opposites to achieve game wise

[solid gust]

well, I could modify it to be a special project if you cant get a bob semple

which i think is a fair trade-off

[still dagger]

Why not smiling buddha

[signal frost]

Is a bob semple a new zealand basic light tank or just any regular light tank.

FYI, the default template for a bob semple I believe is just a matilda

Bob semple with a close support gun

[solid gust]

Its the special New Zealand light tank, correct

[tacit sapphire]

so

he does rng

random chosen

[iron valve]

how to obtain the tank?

[still dagger]

Pray that New Zealand does the focus

[unique turtle]

Does UK starting territory include all of their colonies like africa, the random islands, Newfoundland/Labrador, and Guyana?

or just cores?

[modern jackal]

yes

just the british isles

[glad vector]

my submission isn't ready to meet the rules yet, but its something. just need to annex the UK and get a Bob Semple tank somewhere

[unique turtle]

Looking a bit further into this, this seems like a major pain in the ass challenge. First you need to become independent. Then you somehow need to invade the British isles which would require either building a navy (which takes forever) or building an air force (you only have 1 aluminium). At least there’s a focus to get paratrooper tech in the fascist tree but you’d still need to do a ton of research with your limited slots. I’m also wondering whether you need to build a bob semple, as is implied by the wording and would require licensing the design, or you just need to acquire one which would be a lot simpler

Also, what exactly falls under “larger special project vehicle”? Are some of them considered smaller?

[glad vector]

i managed to invade the UK with the Japanese fleet....

invaded Japan with the Dutch fleet 😆

[tacit sapphire]

i was thinking of doing that ngl

[solid gust]

This was technically supposed to be the difficult challenge biweekly challenge, but i made it easy this go around by removing the time limit

as for the bob semple, you just need to own one, doesnt mean you need to build it. whether from the market, getting the tech for yourself via licensing, or otherwise, there is no specific way i am requiring you get it, I just want a bob semple

though I did add the option to just do a special project instead

[unkempt marsh]

what if i just annex britain with cheats

how would yall know if i cheated

[glad vector]

its 1941 and new zealand doesn't have a bob semple yet,

[solid gust]

do they have the tech for it, or just havent built one

[glad vector]

i can't license one from them

[solid gust]

hmm, did you start on hist or went immediately for alt-hist is my next question

[glad vector]

Started on historical. Can't start alt historical as india as far as i know until there is 10% world tension

[solid gust]

i meant the AI behaviour for the most part

if you started the game with the AI on alt hist or not

[charred timber]

Russian Civil war would cause 12 %

[unique turtle]

I can't believe I screwed this up by forgetting about the french port in india. I was too focused on the air war in europe and when I looked back at India, half of my country was occupied by France and Australia

[glad vector]

yeah but I'm on historical

[glad vector]

same! 😆

managed to reconquer though

[unique turtle]

Luckily the italians managed to do really well in north africa and took the suez quickly so germany and italy began sending troops in

[daring mountain]

I don't have the dlc to annex fleet

[glad vector]

ouch

[glad vector]

1944. NZ has done all of their focuses, hasn't got anything other than infantry. I can only license the interwar light tank from them

[glad vector]

ah here it is

[tacit sapphire]

Does the bob semple have its own custom model?

[burnt bridge]

I think so

Not sure about the 3D model

[tacit sapphire]

I would love if it had the 3d model

[signal frost]

It does

It is beautiful

It fires all its guns at once

Yes, I played a bob semple new zealand game.

It could roll over the italians easily but struggled everywhere else

[tacit sapphire]

They are Italian

If course they do

(New Zealand bias)

[signal frost]

Well, everywhere else I fought had no supply

I also made what I called the "bobber" semple tank and it was a basic light tank chasis with my bob semple design, but with an amphibious drive

It couldn't do a naval invasion to save its life

[tacit sapphire]

lol

[signal frost]

I only had 1 so that might have been an issue

[tacit sapphire]

Yup

[shell flax]

The best tank ever the glorious bob semple tank

[modern jackal]

@glad vector please delete your submission its embarassing 🙏

you cant just dismiss the at war icon

[signal frost]

Maybe it was done right as the war ended and the game didn't tick over?

[glad vector]

do I seriously have to respond to this?

[glad vector]

the at war icon is gone because I am at peace. I made screenshot after the peacedeal without unpausing. Play the game yourself, you'll notice many popups that linger from the war.

anyone who thinks I would photoshop a non timed challenge to win a DLC I already have is stupid. And anyone who thinks I can photoshop on that level hasn't looked at my thumbnails 😆

[raven nest]

go scroll in the challenge submission channel there is so many screenshots with that icon

[modern jackal]

considering we have no way of knowing wether he cheated or not in that case, it would probably be best if he waited until the icon disappeared

[signal frost]

Based on Antasil previous games and such, I'm sure he doesn't cheat in these as he does them for fun

[modern jackal]

well, better safe than sorry

we dont want people abusing the fact you can just dismiss the in war icon

and just say "oh the game didnt tick"

even if antasil didnt cheat

[empty lintel]

you can't dismiss it lol

[tacit sapphire]

how do u have 126 factories in the first screenshot, 127 in the second? @cedar juniper

[cedar juniper]

I got no clue just reloaded the game cause I forgot about ironman icon

[raven nest]

Bro thinks hes the moderator💀

Literally just scroll in the submission channel and you will find so many screenshots with the airplane icon

[round fractal]

that's the only notification you basically can't dismiss what are you talking about

[modern jackal]

i didnt say im a moderator

and you legit said it can go away in a few hours

my point still stands

also i wasnt talking about dismissing the air thing

i meant the war icon in the top

what stops people from doing that

[raven nest]

the war icon on the top CAN NOT be dismissed and like 5 people said it in this chat already to you

i dont know if youre just trolling at this point

[modern jackal]

yes it can -_-

[modern jackal]

oh nvm it cant be turned in ironman

[lavish solstice]

?

[round fractal]

I think you just got unlucky antasil, this is new zealand's research tab

[glad vector]

Yeah i saw them do the focus years earlier. But then they have to make the tank. And i was impatient maybe

[round fractal]

yeah same, they do the focus on about '40, then researched the tank way later

its size 😆

[glad vector]

since our moderator is such a fan of special projects..... 😉

[daring mountain]

why isnt canada surrendering

[worthy vapor]

U can

@glad vector it literally says u need to own all of uks starting territory, that includes africa and stuff like bermuda

While u might argue that stuff like egypt wasnt directly "british territory" bermuda certainly was

[glad vector]

Doubtful that was intended, but that screenshot is from a world conquest

[empty lintel]

how

[modern jackal]

@worthy vapor

chak confirmed it

[tacit sapphire]

Aw man

The messages are gone

[solid gust]

I'm not going to tolerate passive aggressive arguing looping in circles, the challenges are just supposed to be fun

[spring pond]

how do i do challenges to win dlc

[ornate thunder]

Do the challenge

[grand silo]

@spring pond once a week it will get announced and as long as you can find it will state everything your asking.

[violet nimbus]

we need the bob semple tank?

[solid gust]

correct, you need one singular bob semple, how you get it is up to you though

[solid gust]

It is biweekly, so every 2 weeks, not every week

[fervent slate]

Did you guys turn historical focus on and if so did you join the axis or the Comintern

[glad vector]

historical focus on and joined comintern in my case

[round fractal]

For me; turn off historical, force everyone on historical except Britain and Soviets and restart the save until Britain goes monarchist 🙂
And joined Axis ofc

[outer viper]

Can we make the next challenge to survive as Ethiopia with all DLC cause I'm pretty sure its not possible on the last patch.

[cloud wharf]

wym

this challenge is possibe for everyone

[solid gust]

I believe they are saying its not possible to survive as ethiopia with all DLC enabled, currently

which is untrue, its just extremely hard

[cloud wharf]

oh

nothing is impossible with enough effort

[outer viper]

I'd love to know how. With the most recent patch Italy spawns 2 units in Aussa, preventing you from rushing it. By all means run a quick game and prove me wrong. I banged my head against the wall trying

[cloud wharf]

no offense this is a skill issue on ur part lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T_Iyql9UI4

case in point

plus that guy also isnt playing efficiently

[outer viper]

As per I said. You can't just walk into Aussa now. Italy spawns two units there. Everyone who said this can be done, has done so by pushing Aussa, which if you can take it good luck, but I burnt several divisons trying.

[cloud wharf]

he didnt lol

they walked off

and he went in for free

and u said it was impossible

[outer viper]

You can't do that because units spawn there now and hold it...

[cloud wharf]

u know what i will do a quick run for u

[outer viper]

**as of the current patch. Poor wording on my part.

[tacit sapphire]

Good luck

[outer viper]

It's not a hill I'm looking to die on. I want to be proven wrong, genuinely

I tried it several times and asked for help here and couldn't

It was tried by someone else and they were surprised by it too

[round fractal]

From what I know, these spawned divisions usually relocate and leave the tile

If not, its worth to restart imo

[outer viper]

In my experience they never left the tile 😭

[glad vector]

defending ethiopia is certainly not easy.

but been there, done that.

[round fractal]

I just did that

as you can see, they're railroading

[outer viper]

So can you enter and hold before those Italians turn up from the north west?

[round fractal]

yeah

[outer viper]

Lets give it another go I guess 🤣 👍🏽

[cloud wharf]

first try

and its hist and ironman

[outer viper]

So you never even lost the province in the north for Aussa to concede?

[cloud wharf]

yes

ethiopia is ridiculously easy

[outer viper]

skill issue 😭

I just don't see how you even hold the line

[cloud wharf]

force attack when ur about to lose a tile

[cloud wharf]

eventual peace deal

[outer viper]

Do you put much effort into who you place where? I assume you hold behind the deserts in the south and force attack for the north?

[cloud wharf]

u force attack on hill and mountain tiles

as thats where u get the most value

u abandon desert tiles as they are impossible to hold

also do not border force attacking aksum or adwa

since they are hills just try to cycle

and once they get captured hold macelle and the tile next to it with ur life

[outer viper]

Well so far so good I guess

[cloud wharf]

what i do is a garrison order on the sahara dessert so u can manually micro

and dont need a fall back line

u also dont need that many troop on the left because theres a river protecting u

[outer viper]

Wait, you mean garrison the Sahara, which you don't control?

I assume that you're still getting all the xp from it that way?

[cloud wharf]

yep

it just allow for easy control of ur troops

[outer viper]

Well all things considered. This isn't going bad. We lost a southern province and even recaptured it. Not that I want to make a habit of it. I just looked like a ripe time to attack

@cloud wharf I've just lost the province despite winning combat... this happened before. wtf...

That's soooooo bs

I was literally winning!!!!Q

I don't know why but I keep losing a tile when at like 50 battle score... what the hell

[signal frost]

Man discovers what a reinforce meme is

[outer viper]

Someone mentioned that before. How do I prevent just losing a tile because...

[sacred flower]

just be sure that there are always divs with some org in the tile

on and near the one that gets attacked a lot

[outer viper]

Kinda hard when Ethiopia lmao

No one has org 😂

[cloud wharf]

force attack or last stand

pause

move that div to a gen

new

press fa or ls

and move it back to ur main gen

[outer viper]

5 full org divs move into the province just about in time... a second later it falls... This is just dumb

I'm not even gonna bother trying to reinforce the first two provinces. Totally not worth

[mystic kettle]

reinforce meme

like other guy said you need to hit your last stand / fa micro to keep the unit from falling back

being on the tile doesn't mean you are in the fight, you still have to pass a reserves roll to get the unit into the fight. If the fighting unit loses its org before you pass a roll you lose the tile even if you had moved new full strength units on

combat bubble lies to you, to see the real situation you have to look at the combat screen

also it looks like you are garrison tricking which is good but I don't see a FM frontline with offensive order to get planning which you probably want on both fronts

[modern jackal]

i dont know but looks like they are leaving

ethiopia is ez af you just need to know when to last stand

italian divisions are useless and the terrain works to your advantage

[round fractal]

anyway another run for you @outer viper and could be useful for you to have irregulars for their mountain attack and defense so..

[round fractal]

they refused it but anyway

[cloud wharf]

god damm

i didnt even bother grinding lo

[round fractal]

I just love grinding 🥰

[cloud wharf]

yea i was very lazy on my run lol

i pretty much afked on 3 speed

[round fractal]

reasonable

[outer viper]

I did this and found that it worked well but the organisation seemed to always be quite poor

[round fractal]

Ethiopia needs some micro to play so you gotta pay more attention to the frontlines than usual

[charred timber]

good morning hoi4 challengers

well good evening

[hearty walrus]

Its tough

[hearty walrus]

Holding macalle is the way

They only annex aussa after getting full control of the tigray state

With a bit of an event cooldown

Once they get to annexing aussa you can rush back

But usually thats already a few months in

If not, best is to hold macalle forever

Though latest patch i did notice it was more difficult

[outer viper]

I'd have done it if not for the reinforce meme

[hearty walrus]

It happens

Just retreat

No harm

[hearty walrus]

Oh also

Dont use mountaineers or regular inf

They take too many gun losses

[outer viper]

You have to use everyone you have, but I'm guessing you mean use tribal soldiers on macalle as it takes the brunt of the attacks

[hearty walrus]

No

Delete them or convert them

Theyre not worth even having

Ill try it rn actually

[outer viper]

Oooh let me know

[hearty walrus]

Also i played a lot of ethiopia to know this 😭

[hearty walrus]

my usual army setup btw

[hearty walrus]

I messed up :((((

Lost macalle june 6th

anyway casualties until that point

could fall back now xd

italian offensive buff gone now

forgor to get a field marshal earlier

this can work regardless of path btw (i havent touched any for the sake of it)

[modern jackal]

do people genuinely struggle as eth

i played it many times before and holding was very easy

[hearty walrus]

Its tricky in the current patch

[modern jackal]

did the patch actually make it that hard

[hearty walrus]

Yeah def harder

[modern jackal]

how did it become harder @hearty walrus

did they make italy more competent

[hearty walrus]

Ai walks into empty tiles if you leave them open, more aggressive, more air support

Longer battles when low org

[modern jackal]

before usually italy leaves only a few shitty divisions on your front

[hearty walrus]

They kinda commit

[modern jackal]

i should try to play again to see the difference

[hearty walrus]

I mean i just held without picking a political path 😭

But still its harder yeah

Old patch macalle just wouldnt ever fall

Now it does after a while

[modern jackal]

alr i'll see for myself

[hearty walrus]

im bored of not having a political path

also its easier with one i guess

[cloud wharf]

no keep them

its still an orgwall

[hearty walrus]

But the gun losses are such pain

Keep them in mp tho

[cloud wharf]

gun losses are fake

u barely produce anything anyway

[hearty walrus]

For mp you keep

For sp you wanna counterattack

So you delete

Get better k/d

Thats my take anyway