challenge-questions

[glad vector]

for a longer game, I suggest stealing the soviet and japanese navy. I believe a speedrun could work by going for the cossack king, get naval access from italy and invading from the dodecanese

[fervent harness]

sorry to intrude on the subject, I made a naval landing in the UK in 37, you need to declare war in a country that they guarantee and have access in spain

[late blade]

POV: you dont have by blood alone and cant take navys what is the reason i am doing these challanges

[late blade]

as poland?

[fervent harness]

yep

I sent a video in the challenge submissions

[glad vector]

to win by blood alone! Sorry, I always assume people have DLC's.... 😦

[late blade]

i have some not all

[late blade]

ill check

[austere bison]

Does a second of naval supremacy work still

[late blade]

yes it does

[austere bison]

oh ok

[unborn walrus]

@fervent harness i dont think you got the challenge

cause you have to have a guy in jerusalum

not take it in a peace conference

[fervent harness]

I think when I had the achievement for the first time I didn't have a unit there either

on the wiki it says: Controls Palestine (454)

[unborn walrus]

@lapis jewel do you know? i was under the influence that you had to take it while at war basicly

[solid gust]

In this instance for the challenge, you have to take it with your own troops, I mentioned it a bit ago

[unborn walrus]

i though so

[unborn walrus]

@fervent harness

[fervent harness]

Ok, if my submit is invalid, can I send another one?

[unborn walrus]

yeah just delete the first 1

[fervent harness]

perhaps it is the easiest, since access to spain is no longer necessary

[unborn walrus]

i have a run im working on that might get me the achievment in 36 early 37

[fervent harness]

I wish you luck

[unborn walrus]

same to you

[fervent harness]

managed to do it in 05/02/37 could have won in 03/02 but half of the divisions were intercepted by the damn british navy

I can't think of a way to reduce the war goal to earlier than January 28th 37

[unborn walrus]

still the fastest so far

what did you do to get it done?

[fervent harness]

Crown the Pavel
Request military access to Italy
Justify war with the UK and make a naval invasion of Italian territory (that island below Turkey that I don't remember the name)

[unborn walrus]

oh shit i was right you can do naval invaisions jsut off mil access

i though so but convinced myself they i couldnt

[fervent harness]

I'm going to make my last attempt, the first time I did the naval invasion from Tobruk and I wasn't intercepted, luck I think because the path is longer

made 4th february

This run in specific i forgot to record from the beginning and started recording in the middle of the 5th november act focus

[unborn walrus]

do you need naval access?

or just mill access

[fervent harness]

The mill already gives you naval access

[unborn walrus]

for some reason it wont let me plan an invaison from italy

[fervent harness]

you need to start one from your territory to the italian territory to be able to plan it

[unborn walrus]

heh

[unborn walrus]

how do you do that

[fervent harness]

I will send the video in submissions

It's processing in HD but I think you can see

[unborn walrus]

ok

[fervent harness]

its in 4:50

[unborn walrus]

im so confused how you got the invaison to work

[fervent harness]

did you set your navy to do something that would give supremacy in the mediterranean?

[unborn walrus]

i didnt even get that far, it just wouldnt let me make a invaison order from italy

[fervent harness]

as long as you have a land connection from the point you made a naval invasion order you should be able to plan on italian territory, in my video I make:
Gdyna->Tobruk, then without deleting this order i make Tobruk->Palestine, then I delete the one from Gdyna and assign the divisions to this one from Tobtuk-Palestine

[unborn walrus]

does it matter if they are already in italy or if they are on their way?

also do you have to assigne them to the one to tobruk

[fervent harness]

no, just need an invasion order in an territory continuity

[unborn walrus]

and you dont need to assigne the units to the 1st one only to the 2nd?

once they are at tobruk

[fervent harness]

yes

[unborn walrus]

hmm

interesting

[fervent harness]

I tried once in tobruk and 3 in the dodecanese, these 3 had units that were intercepted and would make the challenge complete a few days earlier if they weren't

I keep thinking that February 3rd is possible but I don't feel like playing Poland anymore until next year or until the next challenge

[unborn walrus]

I FREAKING DID IT

october 1936

if i really optmizied it

[unborn walrus]

i could get it faster

like 1st week of october

mabe even september

[fervent harness]

This could be The Chasm of HOI4

the doom II level

[unborn walrus]

i had to use non_historical to make it work

non historical get pavel, justify on monarcish Germany during their civil war, have access to italy, justfy 10 day war goal on the uk

[fervent harness]

I even thought about trying the non-historical one, but I didn't have the patience to wait for the ideal scenario

[unborn walrus]

the thing with this

is it only takes 2 focuses before you know if you have to restart or not (2 35 day ones)

because germany always does oppose, or rhineland first

and italy commie/monarchis/democracy focuses take awhile before they turn

[unborn walrus]

i emplore you to try it out, i already have all the main dlcs and would only be able to use the win on the sound dlcs and airplane models

[fervent harness]

i also have the main DLCs, i planned to give it to some random person

[unborn walrus]

i was thinking about either giving to a rando or geting another of the small dlcs

[fervent harness]

Technically @signal frost is third place I think it would be cool to give him the award

[unborn walrus]

maybe

if i win ill have to decide between sabaton music pack volume 2 or giving to rano

rando*

or jon

[fervent harness]

the challenge is not over yet there is still plenty of time for someone to do better

[unborn walrus]

i agree

thats why i said if i win

once i perfect this strat

ima try my other strat i wanted to do

[fervent harness]

this challenge made me very happy with most of the achievements of HOI and I don't have any energy left to do the rest

looking forward to the next one

[unborn walrus]

same

and i got it to october 1st

i think that is prob the earliest you can do it

[unborn walrus]

david i just noticed that your submission isnt valid cause your not in Jerusalem

nvm me just stoopid

and didnt watch the last 10 seconds

of the video

lol

@signal frost type heere so staff dont get mad

i never joined the axis

[signal frost]

Ah

Yeah, I noticed

[unborn walrus]

i went pavel on unhistorical

[signal frost]

And I presume mil access with italy

[unborn walrus]

mhm

[signal frost]

E

[unborn walrus]

went to war with monarcist germany

making me at war with major

then got 10 day war goal

on uk

[signal frost]

That was a lot easier than my Turkey war goal into Romania + Turkey war

Then declaring war on bulgaria getting me at war with the UK and Czechs

when did the Czechs guarentee nations

[unborn walrus]

yeah i tried that for my 1st time

[unborn walrus]

they start off with alot of guarentees

[signal frost]

Not on Bulgaria

Bulgaria has no one guaranteeing them

My first attempt doing that had the Germans declare war on the Czechs then instantly exploding into Civil War

[unborn walrus]

they guarentee romania

[fervent harness]

ok, even if it was I don't care, well I hope the next challenge has the requirements more explained, I assumed they were the same as the wiki

[unborn walrus]

he did explaine it when talking to someone 2 days ago

just didnt put it in a message to everyone

[signal frost]

Welp, I gave it my all with this challenge

And I do not have the willpower to beat a 1936 completion date

How did you even get to war with the Monarchist Germans so early?

[unborn walrus]

as soon as you turn facsist you justify on them

you get a 45 day justifacation

idk why

[signal frost]

Huh

[unborn walrus]

teh same day you get pavel

justify on monarchist germany

[unborn walrus]

its a 45day justifacation cause they are a major at war

[signal frost]

I see

[unborn walrus]

im bored so ima just do the past challenges

[unreal quiver]

dont even have the dlc to do the challenge lol

[unborn walrus]

what dlc do you need?

[unreal quiver]

the poland king one to do it

weren't even gonna do it anyway

thought id just say

[late blade]

I think the focus tree for kings is in "Poland united and ready" dlc what you get when you buy the game

[unreal quiver]

its not

you only get sanation and the other weird paths

wait i might be wrong

ive never seen the king path there tho

the monarchy path isn't there

@late blade

[late blade]

I'll check it tomorrow

[unreal quiver]

you need nsb aswell as united and ready

bruh

[signal frost]

Poland: United and Ready only has the Sanation paths and a basic alt history that let's you become communist and fascist with not much

[late blade]

My bad then I thought they would make challenges what everyone can make without buying a dlc

[fervent harness]

GOOD MORNING (at least in GMT -3)

got it on september 26th

via order 66

get 1 day less🙃

[late blade]

When I now see that I will just try to get it for the achievement

[unborn walrus]

bro how 😆

[fervent harness]

raise world tension and justify it in a benelux instead of justifying it in the UK

[unborn walrus]

what did you do to raise wt?

and how did they give you mill access

lmao

[fervent harness]

just bother Stalin

[unborn walrus]

ah

[fervent harness]

you can request access when declaring in the German military junta

[unborn walrus]

hmm

[unborn walrus]

watch me get a fkin august run

well there is for sure no way to get before september 15th

i doubt you could even get it that early

[fervent harness]

pure NRG

[unborn walrus]

how did you get it even faster XXDDD

[fervent harness]

this naughty Cossack can show up a few days apart

I'm recording each one, then I'll check with some friends what is the minimum date that Pavel appears

[unborn walrus]

ahh

[fervent harness]

I think the countdown for a new candidate to appear is linked to the date of the last response, not even an hour can be lost

[unborn walrus]

thay makes since

[fervent harness]

almost forgot, italy declared war in aussa, raised WT by 3% and justification in GMJ was 40 days

[unborn walrus]

hmm i see

the more wt

the faster the justifacation

[unborn walrus]

its every 35 days

[fervent harness]

I was doing a test to see if I could make the WT reach 50% before the 40 days to finish justifying in GMJ I couldn't do it

so I could join the civil war as part of the axis

[unborn walrus]

mhm, cause poland itself cant do any WT

[unborn walrus]

once you declare war you should get an auto invite from nazii germany

[unborn walrus]

i got all the way to getting pavel before realizing german rearmed the rhinelaand

😭

[fervent harness]

I did the same now

ethiopia entering civil war may replace italian war with aussa

[unborn walrus]

for me it didnt

it rose wt by i think .4%

[unborn walrus]

the fastest i got it was sep 23rd

[fervent harness]

in a while I will test with cheats what is the shortest time in the perfect scenario I think it is no more than 3 days

September 17th to be specific

[unborn walrus]

yeah ima do the same after this run

[unborn walrus]

so the hour does matter, but no matter what you have to wait until 1am of the next day before italy allows mill access

the spanish civil war started early

1st tiem thats happened

[fervent harness]

the spanish civil war was 50/50 starting a few days before pavel arrived

[unborn walrus]

1st time it happened for me during my runs

[fervent harness]

my game broke LOL

aussa simply stopped caring about the submission with italy in my game, the news appears so much about the war so much about acceptance and it continues in map as if nothing happened

[unborn walrus]

lol

[fervent harness]

@lucid cliff the method we use is complete here, ask your questions here as well not only to not make the team mad but also not to confuse normal users who just want to see the submissions

[fervent harness]

not a day wasted

[lucid cliff]

You naval invaded across the Mediterranean

Holy carp

[lapis mist]

world conquest as democratic slovakia with shovels only

[signal frost]

You need to roll back a version, and judging by Mountain General's experience, it is not fun

[lapis mist]

true

but i wanna show mountain general this

[unborn walrus]

kinda but not really

once you go facsist italy gives you mil access

[lucid cliff]

AHHH

[unborn walrus]

from there you go to tobruk

and naval invade the uk

but

you need high WT

and germany needs to be in civil war

the fastest i have gotton was sep 21st

but with god tier rng you can get their in prob sep 15th

but thats everything that could go right going right

[lucid cliff]

WT?

[lucid cliff]

Why?

[unborn walrus]

world tension

[unborn walrus]

faster justifacation

[unborn walrus]

non historical, rush coassack king, germany is in civil war, justify on German military junta, declare war

justify on a democratic nation so uk gurantees it

order 66 uk

or if you dont wanna be scummy cause people think thats a scummy rout

justify directly on UK

launch naval invaison from italy

[late blade]

how to get monarchist as Italy

[dusk zephyr]

hello

how to get monarchist poland in no dlc?

i rly dont have any and want to make challenge to atleast have a chance to get one

plz help

@gleaming igloo

help me

[gleaming igloo]

You can’t

[gleaming igloo]

Follow your focus tree

[dusk zephyr]

i wanna make challenge

i rly need to have nsb dlc

like no way?

[gleaming igloo]

yes

[dusk zephyr]

o man

not this

i rly wanted the dlc

[gleaming igloo]

going monarchist isn't in that path

[dusk zephyr]

ok

i will wait for another challenge

[late blade]

but i dont have by blood alone so i only have that one and the industry once

[gleaming igloo]

then you can't

[dusk zephyr]

o yes no dlc vewy suck

thx for great help

[gleaming igloo]

np

[dusk zephyr]

hey i will get achivment "30 mins of hell" instead no dlcs

can this count or no?

[solid gust]

It will not count, no.

Unfortunately not every challenge can be done by everyone, if you cannot do this one, then you will have to wait for one that you are able to

[dusk zephyr]

ok

but i am alrdy doin it

can u plz send nsb?

if i do it with no dlcs

cuz this is double achivment

[solid gust]

No. That is not how the Challenges work.

[dusk zephyr]

ok

sorry for disturbing

but can you plz make challenges for all hoi4 players i would appreciate it very much

[solid gust]

We have done more challenges that everyone can play than other challenges. There will be more in the future.

[dusk zephyr]

ok thanks

[lapis mist]

i got that

[radiant cobalt]

Guys help i conquer all china and japan, but can't get battlecry achievemmtnt

[unreal quiver]

you mught need tibet

ngl

and anchdul pradesh or whatever its called

[fervent harness]

the challenge ends on the 21st?

[solid gust]

yes

[glad vector]

Did you get Taiwan?

[radiant cobalt]

Yep I annexed all Japanese territory, but it was communistic Japan maybe in that problem

[glad vector]

hmm not that I know of. Those western-held ports are not part of the requirement. annexing and not just occupying, and taiwan are common problems with this achievement but you seem to have that covered...

[radiant cobalt]

i got now achievement after ussr capitulate idk in what was problem

yey

[glad vector]

congrats! Hmmm, maybe a japanese core held by Soviets?

[dusk zephyr]

yes i think

[fervent harness]

I didn't fully understand, does that mean that even if I delete a previous submit, the most recent one will also be discarded? I'm not here to have my opinions heard but if that's the case it kind of misses the point of being a speedrun for me

[solid gust]

no, it means if there are two posts in there, i will not count them

if there is only one post in there, then all is fine

the last challenge had a bunch of issues with people posting 3-5 times

so only one post is allowed, but you are allowed to delete a previous one if you make a better time

@fervent harness

[fervent harness]

thank you

[keen venture]

best country to do this with?

[glad vector]

do the civs have to be your civs or do puppet civs/ war reps etc count too? As in, what measurement will be the final score?

[solid gust]

they have to be your civs

[vapid brook]

probably germany lmao

or poland

but again it all depends on your knowledge of the game so you could sstill play as luxembourg and win the challenge 🤷‍♂️

[meager junco]

Do we have to do with iron man mode? Historical focus?

[granite knoll]

Yep, Ironman Mode is required, but doesn't have to be Historical

[keen venture]

does kaiser germany help?

[elfin cape]

I dont know

I think their is a focus that gives you civ build construction speed

[iron shell]

Am i allowed to go world conquest, or should i just stay neutral

[vapid brook]

Brother Germany in general helps

[iron shell]

And build just civ

[vapid brook]

Who cares as long as its 1944

[iron shell]

I see

Uk it is then

[vapid brook]

You're gonna get dragged into wars anyway its impossible to be neutral

[iron shell]

Well it depends … i have my hmm… exploit ways😈😈😈

[dusty yoke]

must expand the new zealand civilian industry

and make more of those bob tanks

[solid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-steve-harvey-point-hehe-gif-19918997

[tidal moth]

I think I have a plan

[fluid hemlock]

Can the challenge be done by any country

[solid gust]

Anything other than the Soviet Union

[fluid hemlock]

And how can I prove that i am playing Ironman?

[solid gust]

look at previous submissions, there are plenty of screenshots showing different ways, most common is top right corner hovering over there should show a drop down menu proving ironman

[solid gust]

@crude cedar good job on the early submission btw, however could you condense the entry into a singular post instead of two, please 🙂

[crude cedar]

gotcha

[crude cedar]

does that work a bit better?

[solid gust]

not if you delete it :p

unless discord hates me

let me reload

[crude cedar]

sorry

i think i accidently uploaded wrong images

also gotta head to work but if more proof is needed, i can submit it later if thats okay

it should be good now i believe

[solid gust]

it should be good to go 🙂

[crude cedar]

I'm so mad though. Because I was transferring all of my factories from Mills to civd at the end. But the Japan war was over too late so I couldn't, though I know I have like 2 weeks figured first run would be my best

[glad vector]

I have 713 civs in 1940....

going for every build slot in the game 😆

[crude cedar]

DAMN HOW

[dense sparrow]

Are we allowed to conquer for the challenge

[lime hornet]

is alt history allowed

[tiny lily]

i assume pure vanilla?

[odd crater]

Other than graphic/aesthetic mods ye

[glad vector]

with a game of conquest, I assumed so?

[glad vector]

conquer like mad, puppet with war reps, and build build build

[lethal notch]

So the rule is not to start as the Soviet Union. But what if you annex then. Does that still count?

[glad vector]

I'm not the mod here, but I would say that you didn't start as the soviet union so that would be good

in my current game I did conquer the USSR and am busy building CIVS there

[dense crown]

Why are we not allowed to start as the soviets?

[dusky knot]

its super easy to get 0% consumer goods, it would be way too op lol

[dense crown]

Oh yeah fair enough

Like the right opposition gets you 0% easy

[granite knoll]

yep, alt history is allowed

[granite knoll]

annexing is fine

[lethal notch]

thx

[nova rock]

Live strikes reaction 💀

[split isle]

Is this allowed? Or is that too exploity

[signal frost]

Wait wait wait, you can't do that... well you can, but that breaks the spirit of the challenge.

Also that still exists?

[nova rock]

[austere bison]

wait you can still do that what how

[solid gust]

now now, Pydgin, no exploits 🗞

[unreal quiver]

if you didn't show it you would have got away with it

[haughty mural]

hoi4 challenge idea (hard)

touch grass

[nova rock]

Cool

I'll try it tommorow

[unreal quiver]

own every grassland tile

[unreal quiver]

wot you get from challenge

z

[austere bison]

Please I need to make my city skylines metropolis in hoi4 in some random rural place

[coral shadow]

Hoi4 Challenge Idea
(easy-medium)

Its the 1800s all over again

As the USA you are only allowed to use Horse divisions with no armor or extra toughness.

You are also only allowed to use support companies with interwar artilerry and anti air. Guns should stay 1918 and are not allowed to be more modern. Also no airplanes are allowed

You are also only allowed destroyers Light/Heavy cruiser
And battleships and must stay in 1936, you are allowed to customize with modern equipment (for your ships)

You must declare war on Canada and Mexico before 1941
And declare war on Turky, Spain and Germany before 1942 and end WW2 before 1945

Your only allowed to puppet countries but not annex them

Nukes are allowed, you can go fascist/communist however your not allowed to join any faction

Good luck:)

[signal frost]

That moment when someone doesn't realize that this is not a challenge suggestions channel

[tidal moth]

What happened to third and second prizes?

[solid gust]

not every challenge will have multiple prizes, but there will be more after the release of AAT and it's themed challenges

[tidal moth]

People are only showing their factory count, not their civ count

[dusky knot]

how can i prove that it's in ironman, is it enough if i open the achievement tab and it shows they're available ?

[solid gust]

The top right in game, when you hover over the trophy, the drop down menu will show if its Ironman or not

like Kongou's Submission here #challenge-submissions message

[solid gust]

halfway point reminder for people adding submissions for the Challenge: without a screenshot proving that is in Ironman, your entry cannot be accepted.

Also you do need to show how many civs you have, not total amount of factories

And lastly, reminder about the Singular post only rule, if you have more than one message for a submission in the tab, none of your entries will count (this is to save on spamming/time trying to confirm valid entries)

[austere bison]

Why are people doing greater Italy instead of Rome (I’m not playing the challenge but I’m just curious)

[gilded fern]

Compliance buff apparently

If it was an earlier date itd have likely been Rome cuz cores

[austere bison]

ah I see

[unreal quiver]

green

[glad vector]

ofc you could do the pope and combine them, but below Dino Grande there is a focus called expanded corporatism... Thats the real juicy one

[unborn walrus]

you could prob get some juciy factories with democratic germany

[split isle]

expanded corporatism, and compliance growth from, emperor of Ethiopia and greater italy are the key to that strategy. If you can finish the WC by '41 you'll get 100% compliance in every country by June '44

[chilly vortex]

are the challenges like a lottery so it doesnt matter how much civs you make or the one has the most civs wins?

i dont have a lot of dlcs so i dont have the means to have the most probably

[solid gust]

In this challenge it's the person with the most civs

So, not random.

Some challenges are less about the most of something but rather how good or funny they are, but for this one it's simply the most civs while not being the soviet union

[thorny sphinx]

Do we have the challenge results in?

[solid gust]

challenge ends on Monday next week

currently Pydgin is in the lead with over 6k

[upbeat swan]

If the winner already has all dlc's can he pass it up to someone else?

[solid gust]

The winner is allowed to choose to give it to a friend, yes, they are simply not allowed to sell the prize

[tidal moth]

Is arms against tyrancy a dlc you can choose if you win?

[solid gust]

It is not

[austere bison]

[eager shell]

Can game exploits be used in order to achieve the goal of the challenge?

[solid gust]

I don't particularly like the usage of exploits, as that tends to defeat the purpose of it being challenging

[rare grail]

does some one want to give me a challenge

[glad vector]

form the holy roman empire as Germany

[eager shell]

Iceland World Conquest

[glad vector]

@Topnz

You say you have 6680 civs. yet your owned civs in this screenshot is way less: 5680

The 'red number' 6680 is different. But in both my and Pygins screenshot this number is the same as the owned Civ count. Whats different in your game? What are your 1000 extra (?) civs?

[solid gust]

The person is no longer in the discord, however I would not be counting the submission as there are clear differences all over the image, from the number of civs in 3 places being different and the ironman dropdown looking doctored.

[glad vector]

I got Red Sea a week or two ago and its one of the most tricky ones to get 😉

[late blade]

the people without by blood alone will have even more fun....

[solid gust]

Hmm, if you got it and already won the previous one I will have to come up with some custom rules for you....

[pale agate]

it's not impossible lol, but having all the dlcs discourage me from being a tryhard

[pale agate]

is it taht hard? I did it within 1938

[glad vector]

I didn't know how hard a challenge was asked for, just gave a fun one off the top of my head 🙂

[pale agate]

btw ppl doing roman empire and imperial conference to get more cores, why did you choose greater Italy path?

[signal frost]

Darn, wish the challenge now was boarding the train Ethiopia.

There is something satisfying of kneecapping Italy by saying "yo stop invading," enough times and getting the war escalation high enough to where everything goes wrong for them.

Also democratic Ethiopia lol

[glad vector]

greater italy has a compliance bonus and dino grandi gives access to expanded corporatism which gives more factories per state

[signal frost]

Dino Grandi meta?!

[pale agate]

for last challenge, ya

[signal frost]

I always wondered when you would choose him

Didn't know he had that ability

[glad vector]

for this stuff he's pretty good, also italian empire. But by the time you can get him, you're usually already strong enough industry wise

[pale agate]

hmm

[signal frost]

Doesn't the Italian empire focus requires other countries to say "yes, you are an empire now"

[pale agate]

but isn't doing something like Roman empire would've given you cores to the whole Europe and middle east?

[signal frost]

Or you change, but you don't get the bonuses

Greater Italy gives some nice national spirits, I do know that

[glad vector]

yes. but I didn't do that for this challenge

[glad vector]

well in the end max compliance in all states beats cores in a lot of states. The world is a big place

[pale agate]

that's true

[glad vector]

we learned that in this challenge actually 🙂

[sleek hawk]

@solid gust Sorry, what exactly does the “cannot be done through peacedeals” mean?

[solid gust]

You have to take the lands yourself, you cannot use peace deals to take the land around the red sea

[sleek hawk]

So does that mean I can’t annex Yemen and Saudi Arabia in a peace deal?

[solid gust]

Correct

[final ridge]

even if I'm the only one in the peace deal on the winner side?

[sleek hawk]

Does the extra requirement count towards winning the challenge?

[solid gust]

Even if you are the only person declaring war for the peace deals, you have to take the lands yourself.

There have been quite a few people when it comes to specific challenges messaging me about peace deals and for some of them I will restrict them entirely, this one included.

Next one won't have restrictions on it though 👍🏻

[solid gust]

It does, yes

[final ridge]

ok, also starting country must be Ethiopia I suppose? Or is it possible to start as Italy and then play as released ethiopia?

[sleek hawk]

Does the peace negotiations with italy count as a peace deal?

[solid gust]

Correct, you will have to begin as them

[solid gust]

hmm, I believe for this one, no

I'd have to check my notes but I'm in the middle of something right now so I can't go and find it just yet

[upbeat swan]

I don't get it?

[solid gust]

You have to conquer it yourself with your own troops

[upbeat swan]

Oh, makes sense

[glad vector]

I think he wants to avoid the solution of getting the lands in a big final peacedeal without ever setting foot in them

[solid gust]

I've gotten DM's from some people saying that the peace deals were not fair for some challenges so for certain ones I've elected to not allow them to ensure that it is fair for everyone

Next challenge, as I mentioned before, won't have that restriction as it'll be a funny one :p

[austere bison]

how would the winner be decided? or is there none

[solid gust]

This one has no time requirement this time, so the entries will be chosen at random so long as they meet the requirements

(IE ironman, can show proof of the achievement, and can't be taken through peace deals)

And ofc the run technically has to be started after the challenge was announced

[sleek hawk]

Why no time requirment? I don’t think it’s fair for players actually putting a lot of effort into this to get the achievement as fast as possible. The no time requirement removes most of the challenge

[solid gust]

I have explained this before for other challenges, however not every challenge needs a time requirement, simply doing the challenge is the point. I want people to be able to participate even if they are not the best players.

The previous challenge had a time requirement because we wanted it to be challenging to a point.

[austere bison]

so all land required for the achievement must be conquered by your own troops?

[opal wagon]

#challenge-submissions message
@stiff arrow I assembled my PC under a blood moon. It is a mighty machine but quite evil.

[stiff arrow]

@opal wagon hahah that explains why

[devout quest]

So I have to occupy the land before annexing?

[placid frost]

Is it possible to do without the DLC?

Current one*

I am only missing BBA

[upbeat swan]

Same here, the fact that Italy still got all their bonuses without BBA while Ethiopia does not makes it very difficult

[solid gust]

You are able to do it without the DLC, it is simply more difficult

[solid gust]

@sleek hawk Your current submission is not enough, no. #challenge-submissions message

For a submission to count, I need the dropdown box from the top right showing Ironman is on, just the trophy being coloured is not enough as people have attempted to cheat by just photoshopping a coloured trophy onto their image multiple times, also with Australia there having part of the land it technically does not count since you do not fully control it all.

And lastly apologies for the ping, did not have time to check on submissions yesterday

[sleek hawk]

Iirc to get the “Red Sea” achievement you only have to control all states bordering the red sea as communist ethiopia, not necessarily fully control them

And despite australia controlling one tile, I am still the one controlling the state

[solid gust]

By the screenshot I cannot determine that which is why I mentioned it.

If that is the case its alright but the first part still stands as a requirement

[solid gust]

@white venture The submission is almost good, I need the dropdown box for Ironman specifically, not just the lit trophy.

[crystal wren]

All difficulties allowed?

and mods?

[nova rock]

You can take any difficulty you want and mods should be ironman compatible

[solid gust]

so long as the game is ironman compatible, you can have any higher difficulty

or regular difficulty

[crystal wren]

thx

[late blade]

Is there a mod out there that can give ethiopia a focus tree in ironman?

[upbeat swan]

Mods that adds focus trees aren't ironman compatible, but Ethiopia does have a focus tree you just need the dlc

[late blade]

I know that I need a dlc for the tree.... But that is the problem I don't own the dlc

[fervent harness]

Am I at war with Arabia if I defeat them and annex the necessary territories, does my submission become invalid?

[solid gust]

so long as you Own the land, not occupy, the submission is valid

[wraith sand]

Are you saying here that there can be no peace deals at all, or only peace deals in regards to the lands around the red sea?
If i capitulate japan, for instance, is this allowable as long as yemen, saudi, etc were not in the CoProsperity Sphere?

[austere bison]

does it matter if you use a graphics mod thats ironman compatible (modifier icons)

[austere bison]

i believe its you can only take land you took control of with your troops so you cant just try take a state in a big peace deal

[full eagle]

Real HatlessSpider?! big fan btw

[wraith sand]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-22164679

[full eagle]

OMG

[wraith sand]

I'm the real me,and thanks, glad to hear it!

[full eagle]

im subscribed on 3 accounts

[austere bison]

lol

[sleek hawk]

Hi Hatless, really liked how your strange yet innovative approach in the carlist spain video:3

Truly putting the “strategy” in “grand strategy game”

[late blade]

is it even possible to win against italy without bba

[signal frost]

As Ethiopia? Yes https://youtu.be/_IqV6IyB1KY

That is the strategy I did, feel free to go communist so you can get that challenge done

[late blade]

thanks the strategy will help

[solid gust]

Sorry for the late response, but peace deals involving challenge criteria are not allowed, peace deals for elsewhere on the map are

So long as it doesn't include area needed for the challenge, it's typically fine

[white venture]

In my case Mussolini just joined the Allies (Churchill UK) and I had a good chance to grind down the forces and that's the best case scenario, no need for peace deals when u have soviet and germany on your side

Shadow USA too (destroyers)

[sleek hawk]

@solid gust Excuse me? Isn’t @pliant quail’s submission invalid? He very clearly had a peace conference over saudi arabia

As he has a puppet there

[solid gust]

Peace deals that do not involve land of the challenge requirement are allowed.

[sleek hawk]

It very clearly involved land included in the challenge requirements

That being the saudi arabian coast

The capital of saudi arabia isn’t red, meaning they aren’t at war with Ethiopia

Which therefore indicates that a peace deal took place

Additionally

Ethiopia does not conyrol the state of dijbouti

Which is necessary for this challenge

This state

[shy ember]

what happens if more than one person completes the challenge?

[solid gust]

For Charlotte's questions;

The lands required for the Challenge are the lands bordering the Red Sea, not the Gulf of Aden which is shown there, as that tile is not needed for the Achievement to Proc. If your achievement for it did not proc without it then it is bugged.

I also do not appreciate being pinged for every single person's submission that you deem invalid because you wish to win. I am happy that you enjoy the challenges but please do not ping me for everything, I have a lot to do during my workday and cannot get to your questions immediately every time. Your questions will be answered in due time as I check this tab every time there is a new message in it. I will also reinforce that I did not choose today's winner, winners are chosen by the Community Team as a whole so that there are no favourites, and we randomised the winners since I had mentioned I would here -> #challenge-questions message

For Jonnyman's Question, the # of winners tends to be 1 as of late, however after the release of Arms Against Tyranny, expect the challenge winners to return back to 2-3 winners, as it'll be a good chance for people to get their hands on the newest DLC, and if people do not win first place then they can still get an Armour or Music pack

[shy ember]

but like for the ethiopia challenge i see many people did it, how did you decide the winner?

[shy ember]

oh wait i found this

[dark flower]

since ive read the messages above, ive become curious. What happens to a winner if they are caught breaking the rules of a challenge if it is found out only after they have been declared as the winner?

[solid gust]

I have not had that happen as of yet, however if it is found out, they are barred from winning future challenges for the forseeable future.

Example: if they cheated with commands and photoshopped the ironman dropdown box, then they will no longer be able to participate/win the challenges at all. If the rules were broken but I made them unclear in this discussion tab it is my fault, and I rectify it with the 2nd place winner as I have done once before.

[dark flower]

oh alright

[white venture]

Curse u Paradox there aint anyway to have A-bomb in early 1944

[dark flower]

There is actually a way i think, it just involves lots of planning and some focuses or ahead of time researching

[glad vector]

from Australia focus tree

[white venture]

It's the same with Australia

[dark flower]

Aussie = australia

[glad vector]

I'm about to start an Aussie run myself. In the Japan challenge, I managed late '44 as Japan with no such bonuses

[white venture]

OH i though u said about aussa

[glad vector]

np, I edited now

[white venture]

Japan has an advisor

And if australia have extra research slot that would be cool

I can research research speed branch with nuclear

[glad vector]

ah yeah the advisor.

well I'm not sure if this is a speedrun or if a random winner gets chosen

I'd say random winner, based on the announcement

[white venture]

I see

[sleek hawk]

I think the fastest you can get the nuke is as india

Not sure tho

[dusty yoke]

how do you win this

is it just speed

[hollow glacier]

Who wins the dlc, person witg the best game, the fastest one or it is just random from guys who made it

[solid gust]

The last challenge and this one are chosen at random, however the next challenge will be with the release of AAT and will have stricter criteria to win (ex. timed, certain player requirements, etc)

[white venture]

Please let me win and have a free AAT 🤣

I will do another one

[solid gust]

After AAT releases it will be included in the pool I believe, yes

until then its everything else

[glad vector]

not there yet, but well on my way 🙂

[glad vector]

https://youtu.be/Jlc7g5_2h_8?si=w1bztRalHdfnUXjh

If I may be so bold - the video showing my conquest and nuke of the UK 😎

[sleek hawk]

Ok mb I was genuinely just stupid there and misremembered the achievement requirements

[sleek hawk]

(This still counts I feel like)

[spare locust]

Im playing the KPD mod and am trying to conquer europe as communist germany. Can I somehow get usa to stay out of the allies until like 1942? Non-huistorical is ok

[sleek hawk]

#hoi4-general

[grave osprey]

Ok but peace deals are allowed i dont see your point

[austere bison]

I think it just means you cannot cheese a peace deal eg at war with allies and u don’t take Sinai but u get in peace deal cuz nobody else trying to get it first thing

so a peace deal with Saudi would be fine

[solid gust]

So long as in a peace deal you do not get the lands required by the specific challenge, in the previous case of any lands bordering the red sea, then it is fine. Outlawing peace deals entirely will not help anyone

Also note for everyone still doing the challenge, I will be extending the submission period for this challenge to Wednesday, as the new challenges will start after the release of AAT and will be running regularly on wednesdays for then

[tidal moth]

When is the next challenge?

[solid gust]

should be starting tomorrow

[slate gazelle]

is japan gonna get a focus tree rework? (vannila)

[late blade]

Tomorrow is rn

[late blade]

You get more with dlc's

[late blade]

Yay another dlc only challenge so the people who have enough money to buy the dlc's can play but the others can't even get a chance

[signal frost]

Aren't MIOs base game now?

If so, a second category for non-DLC would be nice

[late blade]

I played today I and didn't saw mios

I mean who said that German is good enough to have them

[signal frost]

I swore I heard that MIOs are base game, but there was a bug

[late blade]

Finnland focustree is base game

[signal frost]

Germany has MIOs, every country does

[late blade]

And 1 new focus got Germany

[late blade]

Not in base game

[signal frost]

Ignore light mode

Oh wait, that is for MP games

[solid gust]

The DLC Launched yesterday, so yes the very first challenge centered around the release will focus on DLC content, it does not mean every single one does.

I have mentioned it before, however having to create diverse challenges that everyone can do is challenging, so yes there will be DLC focused ones and more generalized ones. Next week will be one everyone can do, so if you could tone down your passive aggression I would appreciate it.

[late blade]

I am sorry I just always get so angry when there is a challenge that I can't do cuz i need to wait 1 week until I can do the next challenge.

[solid gust]

Being frustrated is fine, however you have to understand that everyone has different amounts of DLC, whether all of them or none of them, so I cannot plan for every single person.

What I have been trying to do is do one DLC focused challenge followed by one everyone can do and repeat that process to the best of my abilities.

[sleek hawk]

What exactly are the requirements? Maxing out all of your mio’s or just one?

This may be a terribly silly question

[nimble stump]

Im assuming all of them

[solid gust]

Not a silly question, but yes it is all of them, else its not much of a challenge :p

[brazen pilot]

i have somthing i dont get, in the chalange it sais that i need " As Sweden, max out your MIO's Level ", dose that mean all mio's or one of eatch grup or only one?

[solid gust]

your answer is right above your question

[sleek hawk]

Alright! Thanks!

[austere latch]

Oh lord this is just pure math, its just gonna be the GOAT (Greatest Of All Testbuilds)

[solid gust]

incorrect tab for that, friend, though that may be a bug I am not sure

[umbral latch]

What is Mio ? And how we do it ? I think I know what is it but I don't have the shortcut

[austere latch]

Military Industrial Complex, the New Designer companies

With new dlc

[umbral latch]

Okay, and how we gain the point for upgrade it

If we research with it

[austere latch]

Produce stuff with it, research stuff with it, through focus tree

Honestly this doenst seem fun at all

Main thing is this looks like its gonna be a mandatory World Conquest to do it

in less than 20 years

[glad vector]

If you don't want to conquer the world you're playing the wrong game 😉

[quartz olive]

jp

[white summit]

guys your fafourite dlc?

[devout cedar]

“La Resistance”

[copper roost]

What is MIOs Level?

[white venture]

"Arms against tyranny"

[austere latch]

Their rank

each rank is 1 trait point

you need to have all of them at max trait points

@solid gust Did you try the challenge yourself, because this one looks like a real grind

i think it would have been more fun if it was more about speed (and its doable in like 4 to 5 years) instead of like a world conquest

[austere latch]

i dont know if a lot of people will try it

[solid gust]

if its too much of a grind, I can change the parameters to the first Max level MIO, and not all of them

[austere latch]

I think that would be better

cause i tried a run, and in like 1939/1940 you arent even half way through it

you are at like 15%

with commie path which grants funds to every single MIO

[solid gust]

(also we made these challenges a week or two ago so I was playing on the Beta Branch and probably didn't have all the current numbers of things, so some may be too difficult, will reorganize/change things)

[umbral latch]

It's not fun at all really, it's just farming funds with focus and research 💀

[solid gust]

rip, alright, I will change it to fastest first maxed out mio instead of all of them

also to reiterate what i've said before, I am always open to feedback on these challenges, so thanks for telling me how bad of a grind it was, was not my intention to be a snooze fest

[heavy kayak]

what is the max level tho?

[solid gust]

should be 10 i believe

[sleek hawk]

I’m pretty sure it’s above level 10, in my Denmark playthrough all my MIO’s were over size 10

[heavy kayak]

yeah I am going 10+ now

ok, this complicates things

lemme check where it caps

[heavy kayak]

WWWHHHHEEEEZZEEEE

but wait

technically you "max" when traits are maxed out

ok, that simplifies things

might not take that long

[white venture]

Oh Chak your challenge gay

[heavy kayak]

Hmm, it seems that you can max out every MIO as Sweden in 1944 at the soonest?

[heavy kayak]

wow it actually takes so much time to max them all

should be doable in 1944 if you focus the entire effort on it instead of a little bit of expansion tho

[solid gust]

to make it a lil more accessible to everyone, we've made it require only one as I do not want it to be a slog fest of just waiting around to get things done

Also late reply from me because timezones are the devil and i live in canada

[heavy kayak]

wow you are almost on the other side of the Earth from me

[solid gust]

I live inbetween everyone's timezones, all my friends are west coast NA or European timezones lmao

[signal frost]

Newfoundland Gaming?

Oh wait, I mixed up East and west

Though I do believe newfoundland is on its own unique time

[solid gust]

Im EST, newfoundland I believe uses both Atlantic and certain parts maritime or something like that? not too sure

[mighty elm]

If I don't have the dlc, is there any equal challenge that I could complete for instead this week?

(Ready to see "no" lol)

Honestly, I'd be down to try for something percievably more difficult/tedious if it meant I could throw my hat into the ring

[heavy kayak]

as Finland, win the Winter War with more offensive battles than defensive ones?

[solid gust]

Not for this challenge, however the next one is one everyone (DLC or not) is able to do

[umbral latch]

If i have the subscription but I win a dlc, it register it or no ?

Because in 3 month I have no more dlc so

[solid gust]

if you win and have the subscription, just wait to use the code until it runs out

or steam will say you already 'own' it

[umbral latch]

Okay thanks you !

We have 1 week ?

[gloomy sonnet]

How can i attack england?

[thick yarrow]

What is the challenge and where do i find it

News?

[solid gust]

All challenges run for 2 weeks, however there is one week left in the current one, yes

[solid gust]

all challenges are announced in the HOI news channel, the current challenge can be seen here; #hearts-of-iron-news message

[heavy kayak]

wait fk it runs for 2 weeks? ???

I thought it was for a day

so I submitted the first one

[solid gust]

yup, I give 2 weeks per challenge since one week is not enough for some, and we stagger posts on socials so we dont overload people with posts

[mighty echo]

so, how do you "win" the challenges? do you submit first, or have the best date, or smth else?

just wondering

[terse goblet]

Best date

So like quickest

What strats have yall been using?

[heavy kayak]

hmm, the fastest is probably expansion first -> factory spam as Commie Sweden by capping the Allies in 1938 then dedicate factories to whatever

I thought the submission was for the same date so I ended up just focusing on fac spam

then I did another run by conquering lands first

and maxed out all MIO by 1945

[terse goblet]

Wow

[heavy kayak]

pretty sure 1943 is still viable if I just stop expanding

[terse goblet]

So you'd suggest to cap the uk, build factories and well use them?

[heavy kayak]

ye,

cap the whole Allies

[terse goblet]

Also which MIO would you say is the easiest to fully level up?

[terse goblet]

Ah yeah didn't read 1938 so also france

[heavy kayak]

ships have the advantage of being able to be consistent with production from day 1

tanks and armored cars have the production cap advantage which makes good use of Commie Folkhemmet which caps at ~40% extra efficiency

AC probably has higher advantage since +25% eff gain

[terse goblet]

Oki thx

[heavy kayak]

I won't tell you how to cap Allies in '38 tho

[terse goblet]

Lmfao

That's kinda ez tho

[heavy kayak]

it probably is

I capped them with only 14 divisions

[terse goblet]

xD

• if you become communist you gain more manpower so like

[glad vector]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-frodo-alright-then-keep-your-secrets-smiling-gif-26462584

[manic pawn]

What command do i need to use to let 2 countrys Fight

[solid gust]

you would probably get a better answer in the #modding tab, the people there would know which commands work

[sleek hawk]

@umbral latch Hi, what was your strategy during this challenge? I spent all game with almost all the production on guns yet I still only maxxed everything out on the eight of december XD

[umbral latch]

You have to do it with Sweden lol

But I have compared all the Mio for having the one who have the less points to do, and on the focus tree, I have do the one for research speed and for funds

[heavy kayak]

You have to expand a little first

[heavy kayak]

but rush for Totalsforvar or sth to get war eco

if you expand, go commie

I later found out commie can max one designer as soon as 1939-40 by capturing the whole Allies in 38

[heavy kayak]

for example, you can net yourself capped Landsverk in May 41 without expansion by rushing for War Economy in 1936

build infra + civ with Civ Folkhemmet

then later take focuses in 39 to convert to Mil Folkhelmmet then start building mil

and later convert civ to mil

all the while you produce tanks and sell to countries for $$$

there is a tank design that can be produced in inter-war chassis but outsells even 1943 tech

[sleek hawk]

How do you expand as democratic sweden?

[sleek hawk]

I actually tried beating the whole allies initially

It’s significantly harder now due to the fact that the uk ai is no longer braindead

[heavy kayak]

when did they buff UK AI?

in the last few days?

[sleek hawk]

And will send all their divisions to stop your invasion force

[sleek hawk]

Upon the release of Stella Polaris

[heavy kayak]

nothing changed then

thats why you go commie Sweden

[sleek hawk]

They made the uk ai actually defend their home island

[heavy kayak]

in the first election event for commie

pick the guy that likes the Allies but hates Germany/USSR

every democratic majors will grant you military access

Order 66 them

[sleek hawk]

Oh that’s pretty smart actually

[heavy kayak]

ye,

5 divs to kill France
rest goes to the UK

or 4 vs France

cav is fine

2 width cavalry is fine too

for the UK you will need bigger divs

as they will guard most ports

but it is still fairly easy to kill them

you can choose to either kill Norway or Denmark first, whoever you take on later will join the Allies

but you don't need to defend border vs them

just leave it open and focus on capping the majors

make sure to get NAP with Germany early in

they will maintain it, allowing you to escape war with Italy at anytime if they ever decide to be a problem

[sleek hawk]

I’d say “thanks, I’ll try it out” but you have a genuinely brilliant strategy and I hope you place first XD

[heavy kayak]

I can't

I submitted the first entry for 1942

I thought the challenge was daily

so I just submitted immediately since I was doing Sweden at the time

[sleek hawk]

You can still place third I’m pretty sure

[sleek hawk]

The challenge lasts until today, I pressume?

[solid gust]

lasts till wednesdays now, since they start on wednesdays

was shifted a little

[lucid cliff]

Can I suggest a challenge?

[solid gust]

you are free to suggest a challenge, yes, though there is no guarantee that it will be used.

Current challenges will be Nordic themed for the moment, however

[heavy kayak]

As Finland, defeat the Soviet Union without joining the faction while having more offensive than defensive battles.

[mighty elm]

You......

[sleek hawk]

That’s actually pretty easy, I did that recently in 1940 (or 41?)

Without exploits or anything

[heavy kayak]

more offensive battles as well?

proof pls

[sleek hawk]

The fascist finnish path is super op

[heavy kayak]

[sleek hawk]

I regularly delete my save games sadly, but I have a screenshot of the final results of the playthrough

And immediately after defeating the ussr

I went on the offensive the second they declared on me XD

[heavy kayak]

might still not net you more offensive battles tbh

cuz if you are stronger defensive battles can be really short

literally just a tick on the clock and its already over

[mighty elm]

maybe what you could do is what until germany gets the soviets to 99% and then declare? in the small window youre given you can probably just push a tile and call it lol

wait is this actually the next challenge?

[dense crown]

Do we have to do this on historical ai?

[mighty elm]

@heavy kayak your wish was somewhat granted lol

also, what counts as historical finland? is it just staying non-aligned
?

[solid gust]

Only real requirement is that you play historical, the AI doesn't have to be

[solid gust]

the tree that was given out to everyone would be the one being used, as this is a challenge everyone can do, even without the latest DLC

[mighty elm]

ok gotcha

[mighty elm]

actually on that note, without the dlc you can switch to democratic easily with just an advisor, if that happened would it count as non-historical?

[heavy kayak]

don't you think LaR people would still have the advantage though?

it might cripple their economy to do collab but even the first collab is already plenty

also, what counts as "capitulate"?

what if NSB people cheese it by capitulating the Civil War SU instead ?

which will get reduced surrender limit due to popular support

[solid gust]

someone with all of the DLC would technically still have the advantage since they alreay have all the bells and whistles, so to speak.

A challenge that everyone can do will always be like this, however having an advantage does not necessarily equate to winning, as there are skilled players who can do it without using said tactics/mechanics

Assuming someone doesn't have ANY Dlc at all, they can still participate and potentially win given they dedicate enough time/energy into perfecting their run time, even above others who have, say, everything

running historical/non historical just allows for leeway of fun, to add a random variable to it

[mighty elm]

regardless of the uphill battle that carrot on a string of free dlc is so appealing lol

[heavy kayak]

as for this?

like, not the SOV tag one

[solid gust]

Its appealing, but also a way I can try and give people a chance to win something they could perhaps not afford for a very long time, regardless of sales put on by us

[heavy kayak]

but the SOU/Dynamic tag one

[mighty elm]

I respect that!

[solid gust]

random variable nonetheless, its a chance to do it, and you COULD win through that, but someone not doing that could micro like god themself or think of a different cheese entirely to achieve the same outcome

the point of the challenges are not to do it a specific way, but to find the way that that works best for you to try and win

[mighty elm]

oh while youre around ^

[solid gust]

missed that, thanks. I think that would technically invalidate it, as that would lock the historical tree, no?

[heavy kayak]

no

[mighty elm]

thats what I thought too, but one can go down most of the tree regardless of ideology

[heavy kayak]

you only get locked out of Northern Defense Front

[solid gust]

then its all good

so long as it doesn't lock you out of the historical tree I think its fine

[mighty elm]

yea, and lone wolf, but idk if thats the true path to go down

[heavy kayak]

well, if you switch after taking the first one

[solid gust]

though i will note that down and maybe see if its a bug tomorrow

bc it kiiiiiinda sounds like one :p

[heavy kayak]

nah it is not a bug

[solid gust]

i never misspell anything

you saw nothing

[heavy kayak]

ye you get locked out of lone wolf as well

can only join the Allies

political advisor oversight is fairly popular for DLC after all

[mighty elm]

yea but if the historical path selection is just picking finnish nuetrality then i think were good?

[heavy kayak]

wouldn't exactly call it a bug

[solid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/unamused-side-eye-drinking-tea-go-away-stfu-gif-4092744

[mighty elm]

did we ask too many questions lol

[heavy kayak]

do I need to hold any particular state or simply needs a "capitulate" line in the world tension board?

[solid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-shades-mib-men-in-black-neuralyzer-gif-17328155

[solid gust]

just have to capitulate them

[heavy kayak]

like, just this?

[solid gust]

fully capitulate them smh

[mighty elm]

ah like peace deal?

[heavy kayak]

whether or not I take any states does not matter?

[solid gust]

nah, just capitulation to peace deal

[mighty elm]

just checking, the only techically necesary focus for going historical finland is the first political one without dlc, "finnish neutrality"?

[heavy kayak]

technical question

would it count if I capitulate the Stalin faction in the civil war (which isn't SOV tag but dynamic) without capping the actual SOV tag, or Trotsky faction over there (which will take me another few months of war justification ig)?

[solid gust]

you should be going down the historical tree, though on a technicality yes it is the first requirement of it, I need to actually open the tree again since I am a bit scatterbrained rn and cant remember the full tree off the top of my head

[solid gust]

has to be the SOV tag one, yes, the other one would not count since its not the actual Soviet Union

[heavy kayak]

so it will count if dynamic kills real and replaces real

time to see if it will be faster to kill both or to wait

[solid gust]

to reiterate after having rechecked the tree and not forgetting because I never forget anything at all, nope, I'd say get at least a few more points (2) into the tree to to not cheese it too hard, otherwise go wild

[signal frost]

Is going monarchist Finland historical, it is under Finnish neutrality

[solid gust]

hmm, since its under the historical tree then technically it should be fine

[heavy kayak]

well, this isn't the fastest yet, so not gonna submit it immediately

since you let me cheese

[signal frost]

Random question, did you get that Finnish line achievement?

I lost those islands Finland had so I can't get it in my game

[heavy kayak]

I would cuz I pushed Leningrad right at the outbreak of war

cuz you see, they can only launch naval invasion from there

[signal frost]

Problem, I started the war with just enough divisions to hold the border with some areas having 2 like petsamo and 3 defending vipiri.

I still can't push leningrad despite me owning most of karalia

I need better tenplates

[heavy kayak]

hmmmmnmmm

just get 100 CAS

should be enough

well, I could push it with just inf

like 6/0

[signal frost]

I did not have manpower at the start of the war, and my air force is just sub 100 fighters on interception

[heavy kayak]

hmm, rush for Mannerheim as Chief of Army

[signal frost]

I did

Ish

The Soviets just heavily reinforced leningrad and I already took the tile to the east

[heavy kayak]

weird lol

mine just, like

pushed 9 divs out of Leningrad

it isn't like they heavily reinforced the tile, just that

[signal frost]

My divisions bounce, the 15 width inf

[heavy kayak]

you know, thats the divs they use to naval invade

[signal frost]

I have 12 divs down there and they bounce

I'm going to make some 21 widths when I get back, I know that works

[mighty elm]

if you turn off the dlc and switch to communist, join soviets, afk until 1944

[signal frost]

Historical Finland tho

You must be non aligned

[umbral latch]

@solid gust there is a bug for the funds of mio

If I do like 30 production of submarine with the company I will have 0.30 funds/day/prof

Prod

[solid gust]

I am not in charge of listing bugs, best place to make the devs aware would be on the bug report portion of the forums so that they can see it and hopefully recreate the steps to find the issue

[sleek hawk]

How? The soviets stack 10 divisions there

[heavy kayak]

idk just send 100 CAS with 2x bomb lock to support 8 6/1 divs, which was what I did

my support company comprised of engineer, arty, aa, winter log

I honestly never failed to push Leningrad

I just know that if AI Soviet defends only vs Finnish border

it basically acts really dumb the moment you breakthrough Leningrad

it takes forever to reorganize and if you snake with cavs it just works, or like, battleplan it

[pale agate]

You don't have la resistance?

[fallen furnace]

Does anyone have an accurate list of historical templates I could use for a challenge?

[mighty elm]

is this a sufficient amount of the political tree to go down? ->

[solid gust]

this is enough, yes 🙂

[umbral latch]

Why Finland can join the faction bruh

Oh you are not Finland lol

[cinder lance]

Hi. I am long time eu and ck player but not hoi or victoria. I play now HOI4 on modification Great War. I started Poland in 1919. I beat both white russia, soviet russia, baltic states, czechoslovakia and hungary. It's 1936 now and I can't tackle Germany... I have airplanes, bomber, strategic bombers and figthers and divisions... In first phase of the war I am tacking one-two lines of provinces, then very fastly I fall back to the border line and after some fight Germany gets the upper hands and killz me. I have all supplies surplus (like anti air or towed artillery). I have twice factories as them -_- can some1 help me? Maybe check my save if they play great war mod??? 🙂

[shrewd blade]

it is a shame that happened. it may be cuz of your template (dont ask me for that, i really dont know good templates). Perhaps u didnt have the manpower? Maybe they had more planes? I dont know how to help rly. youre probably better than me at the game.

[cinder lance]

I have 2.5x more planes, I have 2.7 mln manpower. I switched to germany and they have even worse infantry equipment! this is strange!

[shrewd blade]

Yeah that is strange. Perhaps they have buffs?

[cinder lance]

normal difficulty, no buffs :/

I have other question... about vanilla hoi4 now... I try to mimic one guy from youtube and he makes such template and I can't make it! I cannot change infantry to anti air and artillery in places in red circles! only infantry or mouintaneers 😦 any idea what happened?

[signal frost]

Those are under combat support now

Also the org on that division sucks

[cinder lance]

"org" - organization?

[fossil condor]

yes

the green thing

[cinder lance]

the youtuber said this "is ok and normal" for that strategy 😉

[cinder lance]

I am getting really frustrated now... There is this youtuber who made a guide 1 month ago and it seems already not valid... In 5th column he made custom anti air medium tank support. And below that he adds two custom medium tanks. When I add the anti air medium tank support I can't add medium tanks below... only anti air supports. Same when I start with medium tanks, then I can't add anti air medium tanks.... Any help???

Is it something with dlc arms against tyranny? I dont have that one

[signal frost]

1. This is an ask for help question, not challenge questions.
2. Don't put tanks in your infantry
3. New update made armored AA and Tanks not the same type so you have to reshuffle things if you want to ignore previous advice

[cinder lance]

Thx man! That was really helpful!

[flint river]

For these challenges do I need a specific DLC to submit because I've seen all these submissions that all have the dlc for the spys and international market. So do I need them

[heavy kayak]

you don't need DLCs to submit them, though frankly some DLCs will help a bit -> a lot

[mighty elm]

definitely can confirm that the dlcs appear to add features that are helpful lol

[heavy kayak]

actually, now I thought about it, I already won the last round and have all the DLCs now, I probably won't need to do another

[mighty elm]

do you have all the armor/music packs?

[wicked cloak]

i have the subscrition

[mighty elm]

@wraith sand that's a crazy run lol

nj

[signal frost]

Artillery only?!

That division has 18 org yet is entirely arty

[mighty elm]

I think it's the sup companies

[wraith sand]

superior firepower plus this bonus

[alpine raptor]

How you have 290 factories with Finland?

[heavy kayak]

probably just after he conquered the Soviet Union

wait no, this is like just before

the spy stuff is still there

he did an arty run so it would be quite a slog to push

would take so much time until he had sufficiently weakened the Soviet

wouldn't be surprised if he reached 200-300 fac before the run ended

[alpine raptor]

How do u conquer Russia with Finland

[mighty elm]

well I won't give away every single strat but one way is to go down the "lone wolf" path and work together with the germans

if you have the new dlc theres other ways through the focuses as well

@heavy kayak back in for another go?

[heavy kayak]

Chemist kept nagging me

[lavish solstice]

[heavy kayak]

tf

[lavish solstice]

?

[heavy kayak]

I am sure I did not ping you

[lavish solstice]

I have ways

[mighty elm]

lol, you can still get the armor/music packs right

[signal frost]

Well that makes more sense. Forgot that it did that lol

[past tendon]

Let's see if this works.... I challenge the spreadsheet gurus to break the game by:

1. Creating a calculator for the average IC graph line and compare it to the average production costs to find the happy place for IC usage and designs budgeting. This should include a way to add weight to what your production priorities are, such as L Tank, M Tank, Fighter, CAS etc. The calculator should have easy inputs to get your outputs. This should be scalable with difficulty settings.

2. Creating a calculator for optimal minimal civ factories and the points where you should build Mil factories, then convert. This should be scalable with difficulty settings.

[signal frost]

How does this relate to the challenge

[mighty elm]

If you can optimize your production better than the soviets, they cap instantly

[past tendon]

I thought this was a place for challenges my bad. But realistically if fits into any challenge.

[solid gust]

@mighty elm I would like to question something about your submission, the convoys specifically. How are you at 2k convoys by this date?

Also could you select your factories as well I just want to see how you got to that number

@heavy kayak would you mind doing the same for your factories, I wish to see something

[heavy kayak]

gimme some time, I no longer have the save for it, I will just do another run

[heavy kayak]

ah, here, I have a dupe save of a different run

this is without collab government though

a bit less than my submission even though it is already 1941

wait, really???

wtf,

how come I barely have facs after conquering SU fr

I never thought too deeply into this until now

[solid gust]

this is something i am also questioning in terms of the amount of factories being had after conquering the SU, as I do not think it should be so low, perhaps run the game a month for it to tick and see if the number changes

However I am getting inconsistent amounts of factories from conquering the SU that I am wondering if there is an issue

[heavy kayak]

it is probably due to collab/compliance

since I was speedrunning them, I had to go No Garrison policy

so there was no compliance whatsoever

this is how much manpower occupying Soviet Union eats while you are on Civilian Oversight

so as soon as I put any real occupation law for compliance, I have 0 manpower left (considering I already suffered casualties)

if you fight while having occupation law you lose around 10,000~15,000 manpower a month as well as 2,000~2,500 equipment

@solid gust this is Soviet fac count if I release it

I defeated it fairly recently in this save

[solid gust]

see, the number of factories if you puppet it make sense, but I do not think collab should be taking that many unless there is an issue in the calculation

[heavy kayak]

is that enough?

do you need me to do an actual run?

[solid gust]

I dont think there is enough time for you to do an actual run lmao, since I am announcing the next challenge at 10am

(1.5 hours from now)

[heavy kayak]

ok

game on

[mighty elm]

Let me get those factories, just one moment

And the convoys? They were...no longer needed by their former owners

[solid gust]

why on earth is the SU making so many convoys

[heavy kayak]

do they ever build dockyard actually? They start with 6, right? I just realised when I released them that they still had only 6

[solid gust]

I am thinking the challenge might be 'void' in a sense that it is bugged and the SU is not acting as intended.

There'd still be the music packs being won for this as I wouldn't want your efforts to be in vain but there seems to be something incorrect from what I can see this patch, and I have seen a few other comments elsewhere

[heavy kayak]

hmm, lemme pick the musics

[solid gust]

see, your factories make sense but your convoys do not

what on earth

[mighty elm]

Oh lol I helped Germany cap a few countries, and I took their convoys, SU only had a few hundred at the end

[solid gust]

how many countries did you cap to get frickin 2k though

if its most of europe, even then I wouldn't think it would get up to 2k even at the end of it

unless there were more conquests outside of europe, if its outside of it I can realistically envision if but 2k just for europe is on the high end

[mighty elm]

Yea, there were some outside Europe - the commonwealth countries

Very early sealion

Personally, I didn't find anything weird with the SU

[solid gust]

I've been getting reports of the SU either only building convoys instead of ships (which is why I asked about them) and not utilizing manpower, or them only building the factories but not units Divisions

some of them i discounted since its just the alt hist kicking in but I just wanted to confirm

[heavy kayak]

only fac but not units is very different, it is an actual side effect of the code if SOV has too many factories but not enough tech to produce their preset medium tank

[mighty elm]

Ah maybe those bugs are with dlc?

[heavy kayak]

not actually a bug, somewhat common if players mod the game

[mighty elm]

I cant speak for everyone, but in my game the SU was definitely throwing a lot of units my way

[heavy kayak]

I happen to have a 1940 dupe save,

after annexing the entire Allies using console I had 2159 convoys, might be doable if the entire Allies capitulated to Finland

tag switch says SOV has, wow, I never knew they had so few convoy

[mighty elm]

new level of allied appeasement - everyone caps to finland

i dont have any acreenshots to prove it, but during my war the SU was getting raided by GR, and their convoy stockpile was definitely not going up

[mighty elm]

does this mean the challenge is back on the menu? since the factories/convoys bugs seemed to have been ironed out?

[heavy kayak]

collab should if you have high compliance %

you can actually get more fac than there are if you have Liberated Workers

collab is a DLC feature though

which was why I asked you at the start

since without it you get

local_factories = -0.75
#local_manpower = -0.75
local_resources = -0.65

with max compliance you get

local_factories = 0.65
local_non_core_manpower = 0.18
local_resources = 0.65

so only 1/4 of the fac count

Finland alone only gets to like 50-60 by 1940

in my submission run I had high collab so when I capped them I got more fac than in the dupe save image I sent you where I did not do collab

releasing SOV put them at 124 fac, I get 1/4 of that if I occupy them instead, making it 31, I had 59 myself, making it 90, and 10 from trade, making it 100

if that makes sense

[solid gust]

I will go ahead and not change the outcome of this curent challenge, however for the next few I am going to not focus too much nearing the SU since I need to confirm whether or not these issues are recurring

[heavy kayak]

btw I still have 20 minutes

wait

oh

I already submitted anyway

[solid gust]

if you delete the previous one

you can submit again

just cant have 2

[heavy kayak]

5 minutes

[solid gust]

[heavy kayak]

2w cavalry ftw