Perspective of ow

[rugged lily]

I'm ngl this game has made me incredibly frustrated over the years, have tons of hours on ana and kiri and I always feel like I deserve to be a higher rank like grandmaster or top 500 because everytime I watch them play the games look so much easier than my plat/diamond ones. I've had friends in the past reach like grandmaster or top 500 and they say i'm better than them at support or I can clearly tell even if they didn't tell me. In the games that I play I constantly feel like I get team diffed or awful games/teammates and I genuinely am pretty done. So I guess constant vod reviews is the only hope I have left to understand whose fault it really is or what else I could possibly do better/differently or what I'm doing wrong in the games that feel like huge team gaps. Thanks!

what do you guys think of awkward too? idk listening to the advice he's given hasn't really led me anywhere and I don't really think he's like THAT good of a player but idk

[full imp]

Holy ego. Post a replay code and ppl will quickly tell you if your top 500 or not. If you are actualy good enough for 500 you will climb to it eventualy. If your not then you wont. Ppl like bogur will reach top 500 on any character within a week on a new account so elo hell is clearly not real

[rugged lily]

Should i share a game that seemed really unwinnable or a game that was around 50/50 but i felt i did everything i could

[rugged lily]

0N4GTY

fyi one replay code is not gonna really be enough/accurate to tell if im top 500/grandmasters

and it's just that in top 500 vids i constantly see them doing bare minimum and winning fights

or they can actually healbot and win

[rugged lily]

NKNZFD

[full imp]

Everyone gets games from time to time where your tank/dps just hard carry you, sometimes you can legit just sit in spawn and still win if its that big of a team gap. Its about making the difference when the teams are very simmilar/ yours is slightly worse. Those are the games that cause you to climb

Top 500 suport gameplay does sometimes feel like its easy and " i could easily do that as well".
The difference in skill comes with stuff like decision making and game awerness. Thats it. most of them dont have insane aim(some do), its just thry make less mistakes then you or me

[rugged lily]

i mean for top 500's it just seems way more often

that they can do way less and it looks like they have to deal with shitty teammates less that can't group and they don't constantly have to go around chasing their teammates to heal them or risk their lives to save them, etc

[rugged lily]

most of the time not sometimes lol

[rugged lily]

i mean sure but even then it feels so miniscule difference

i feel like most have good aim but that i also have similar aim??

[full imp]

i tired watching this, but idk what your in game name is so i dont know who to watch

[rugged lily]

oop sorry it's MightyBeast

[full imp]

ok i watched only the frist 5 mins of the gibralta vod and your either troling or have an ego the size of the sun that you need to get checked. from your kiri gameplay alone i wouldnt put you higher then maybe plat. you heard the sombra at the start of the game and it took you forever jsut to react to it and you let her kill almost 3 ppl at the start and then more ppl at 3:50. i would understand it the first time but 3 times you let her do the same thing??? also you play kiriko insanely pasive and just healbot most times when you could be poking. you also tp to brig at 3:00 and expect to not get rolled immediatly. at 4:00 you are in a bad position and are just panicking like a headless chicken.

your aim isnt bad but you need way more then that to get to gm

[tranquil axle]

OP is a genius, so many codes go unreviewed, but they got instant feedback by playing the "I should be GM" angle.

[rugged lily]

no im not trollong lol i told you i watch countless top 500 vids and they look insanely easy

but sure ill review that vid you commented on again with ur comments

[rugged lily]

wdym

i mean yk how many hours i have on kiri and ana and how many people think im really good or insane at those heroes

you saying im at at most plat is hurtful

its also heavily biased since it's one game but ok

8P6PVQ

what about this game then? my fault too? i still deserve plat, etc?

these are my hours man ow makes me wanna die

and also as i said i've seen tons of kiri gms just healbot/play passive and shoot kunais from afar like aspen for fights or often and they win

[rugged lily]

but to reply to this i actually didnt hear the sombra it was too quiet, as im reviewing this i could barely even hear it. that cass death at 2:45 he literally died in a second how am i supposed to save him there. and by the time i turn around from the cass that died ashe was literally dead half a second later what am i supposed to do lol. at 3:50 there was literally nothing i could have done about those people dying. I had to tp to save the cass and everyone else was high ground and they ended up dying. Ashe was way out of position. at 4:00 literally everyone else on my team was dead and i was trying to find a person to tp to so how was i in a bad position. so if i wasnt supposed to tp to brig at 3:00 who was i meant to tp to? winston? he was in there so i was gonna die even more guranteed there lol. If i didn't tp the virus was gonna kill me.

[glass mural]

thats normal i see ppl with those hours in plat/gold a lot

[fathom minnow]

This is a parody post, right? I think you could play cover better and practice timing your rotations/off angles to keep yourself in the fight more and have more uptime. I agree with your rotations but they take you out of the fight too long.

[rain night]

I watched the game you posted in vent

I'm a returning OW1 player, was rank 67 in season 1, now gold/plat (I posted a bap vod if you wanted to see how I play.... I'm not great and I'm not qualified to really provide good advice) but from what I can tell your positioning is suboptimal, you waste your cooldowns, you don't predict ults nor what your team plans to do.
Honestly work on the fundamentals, who cares if you win or lose, just that you improve

I played a tank game today (I think i'm gold2 on tank, maybe gold 3, idk) and we had a diamond1 DPS on the enemy team (was masters 5 last season) which seems insane that the MM would even give us that sort of player. [PFZVGF] is the code if you are interested.

We got rolled, but i was shocked at how we managed to play around someone that was just so much better, so idk, the goal went from winning the game, to lets just try and shut this dude down

so, don't go in with the mindset, win or lose, but simply focus on your improvement, and you'll see a change

[rain night]

OK, watching the kiri game on Eichenwalde now...

You rolled out slowly, then TP to your doom - why? Just save it. You then were out of position to heal your genji from the sym turrets, and used suzu to heal him.
You gotta save your abilities, they're so critical.
You could have kept suzu to save your doomfist too, he just died in front of you...
You took a while to escape, and were in front of your Soj for some reason - just seems like your positioning is out.

You keep duelling the enemy team trying to get a pick - to the detriment of your team...

On that first point at 3:50 you tele to your sombra to heal her for some reason - then the soldier appears on the high ground, your sombra goes to fight him and dies. What you should have done is saved ur TP and then when she goes up, tele to her and you get a 2v1...

Really save your cooldowns as much as possible, IMO. They're so valuable on supp.

I had a flick through the rest of the attacking side, honestly just work on saving your abilities so you have them when you need them

I recently started playing again and watched a Kiri guide that basically went - save your suzu for when you actually need it to save someone. Like if your tank is asleep but is safe, can you wait the two seconds? If yes, just save it. Essentially always be thinking, do I need to use the ability to save this person or can i waste it?
The same can be applied for ults too, like in the attack you used kitsune and the hog walks around the corner and ults, but is forward of the kitsune Maybe next time just look at his ult charge and if hes at 100%, you have an idea that he'll look to ult in the next fight, so if there is minimal teamwork you can save your ult for when he's using his.... Same thing applies to nano etc. I'm always watching for a good nano target, and i'll montior their ult % to make sure we get max value etc

Your aim is fine, and you're putting out the heals from what I can see - so honestly work on positioning and saving your abilities a bit more and maximise their impact and i'm sure you'll see an improvement

[rugged lily]

oh yeah i think in this game i was trying awkward's aggressive dps playstyle that's risky

i mean top 500's always use suzu even when they don't need to as well

i see it all the time

i do know to wait on suzuing my suzu discipline is p good i'd say

and yes ult timing is critical ik that

[rugged lily]

i mean sure but i feel people tell me on kiri to be aggressive or take off angles which i feel effectively ruins my positioning and puts me in danger of dying

and people also say heals don't carry games kills do

but yeah i'll keep what u said in mind as well as watch my replay again and come back with more comments later

it just feels like im listening to too many people's advice that idrk what to focus on or what is right anymore

[rugged lily]

TBFSM3

sharing this code: i think im doing what you guys were advising i do in my games and we won but many games i played like this and lost by a landslide lol

[rain night]

Yeah I mean everyone is gonna see something different, I’ve given comments on what I would do.
I’d probs look at some guides and just emulate them.

[rugged lily]

yea i've looked at lots of guides but even then there's a good bit of difference

and i mean i have 250 hours on kiri im p sure i have a good udnerstanidng of how to play her and i've tried diff playstyles but none of them work and games always feel uncontrollable

[rugged lily]

it's not a parody post btw, and okay

[tardy stratus]

i mean i have 250 hours on kiri im p sure i have a good udnerstanidng of how to play her

Just because of this I went to take a look at the first replay, and no sorry, you don't have a good grasp of what you should be doing on kiri. Your main issue is that you are trying to get all your value heal botting your tank, you're never proactive in taking your own angle, you default to always follow the tank around, you never bait attention to yourself to disengage away from your team and then tp.

Just playing a hero lots does not mean you automatically get better or better understand them, you're just reinforcing the habits you felt comfortable in doing

[rugged lily]

Ok maybe that replay is was healbotting too much lmao. In other games i do try to take off angles. Also, it’s just that i see a lot of high level play where they’ll healbot for a good portion of the game and win fights. Then I just assume i should do that too at times. Which kinda further reinforces the idea that it’s easier up there.

[rain night]

How do you determine that it’s easier up there? I assume you are watching top500 players, who probably do make it look easy because they’re so good.

[rugged lily]

yes im always watching top 500

and it looks easier because i dont see their teammates constantly dying every 5 seconds or tank running it down or them getting harrassed by like 3 dive heroes all the time

and i look at fights to see what they contribute and they're dps are always getting like 1-2 picks and what they did was slightly heal their team

[rugged lily]

and also this

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look at this top 500 gameplay, silversurfer right he played lucio a good bit of the match but he was on kiri second half

what is he doing that im not?

[rugged lily]

4E53PJ
not sure how much this would matter since it's not comp but i feel i played p well and how a top 500 would play minus maybe not using my first ult sooner xd

[full imp]

Dude you need to put down the copium, you do not play like top 500 and if you did you would be in top 500 by now. Its that simple. I know your huge ego wont allow this so i give you a challange that you can prove to everyone how insane you are: go to the ow scrims discord server, say you are a 4300+ sr flex support player and that you would like to scrim in a gm/t500 or play as ringer. Then come back here and tell us how you carried the entire team and how we are all just bad

[rugged lily]

i'll try to put it down just rlly hard. and yeah makes sense, and i don't think i'd be brave enough to do that lol

[rain night]

See if you can get on some scrims though, surefire way to improve and benchmark yourself against others

[rugged lily]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fMwjPCuBo

im sure yall know about fielder, can anyone sort of analyze what makes this top 500? it seems hes healbotting and isnt even doing the heal shoot 2 cycling

[rugged lily]

he can only really doing this because he always gets superteams and therefore it's easier for him and he can freely play behind cover 24/7 and healbot

[tardy stratus]

Funnily enough fielder used to be seen as one of the best kirikos during the early days of overwatch 2, and then later he fell off a cliff with the heal nerfs

[cosmic lotus]

dawg that isn't the real fielder 💀💀💀💀

this is a random Console player who uploaded his own code to OWreplays YT channel

you clearly do not actually watch / review pro player VODs if you really thought that was fielder. Can mods just close this thread already

[steady quarry]

lmao

[steady quarry]

usually we don't close threads, we just let them die out

[rugged lily]

ah mb

[rugged lily]

well i watch streamer vids quite a lot or top 500 replays

no need to be rude

[cosmic lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/@WatchOWPro
https://www.youtube.com/@obssojourn
https://www.youtube.com/@overwatchreplays4129

[rugged lily]

thx for the links

[vernal saddle]

Damn I should use that

[signal pine]

This is genuinely of the funniest things I've seen in this server

Thank you for this

This thread is peak

Look, if your grandmaster then I'm champion, that's all I'm gonna say

[outer cloud]

This post is crazy this guys either joking or is a child

[rugged lily]

dont see the reason to be mean but okay

i wasnt joking and neither am i a child thanks

[signal pine]

No because the exact thing your doing here is what trolls frequently do on overwatch subreddits

Like, word for word

It's kinda uncanny

The whole "I deserve to be a higher rank" while making obvious, very avoidable mistakes that even a plat player would correct

Like if your being serious I think overwatch is not the game for you

Play stardew or something

[signal pine]

When your so unbelievably bad that you dont know your bad, theres a problem

Be a normal bad player like me and acknowledge how shit you are

[tardy stratus]

There's no reason to say this, if you have nothing to contribute in terms of advice then don't say it. Just commenting on the thread purely to tell him he's bad is unneeded

[high flame]

I’m seeing this thread now, and fr bruh 💀💀

Makes urself the villain but damn they got near instant response

[high flame]

Holy hardstuck

If you want to improve then seek improvement lol, but rn it just looks like ur complaining and seeking validation

It’s gonna get you nowhere with an ego that big

Even when the reviewer told you about things you were doing wrong you went on the defensive instead of just taking it

[rugged lily]

oh.... i see

[rugged lily]

i mean that's the thing i dont think im unbelievably bad and this is a bit harsh... anyway

[rugged lily]

mm yeah i can see how im doing that, i apologize, game just kinda is more of a place to want to prove myself or bathe in my sorrows and experience what im alr used to in life... not being happy

even though some stuff said in the thread was hurtful i still appreciate the time/effort people have spent here

[vernal saddle]

efficient strategy

as for OP, the most important thing is knowing how big the gap is

so you can close it

you don't know what you dont know, and personally I would probably just ignore most NA gms and top500 and look at like koreans or pros for advice xD

also I just think support role is kind of miserable

if bap didnt exist

you like.. leave your fate up in the hands of others

that's what support means

your personality seems pretty ambitious

kind of contrary to the role

if you want to support the team as a whole while being more proactive, tank is for you

if you want to be the main character, play dps and carry

[rugged lily]

ahaha

yeah i mean i watched like fielders kiri pov in the sac shock finals from a while back and he was healbotting a good bit

[rugged lily]

it really is, by far hardest role and skill ceiling

[rugged lily]

if you healbot... right?

[rugged lily]

for this game yes LOL

[rugged lily]

see i tried with tank in comp and i feel im p solid but hey what do i know. Even more feels like my team can't really do much without me babysitting them and i peel WAY more and dont run it down 1v5 compared to the rando tanks i get in my games

[vernal saddle]

I mean... the best way to support your team is by killing the enemy
healing is just a way to prolong the fight/mitigate mistakes/increase fault tolerance

which is why I mentioned bap, he can literally heal and shoot

if what you're "supporting" isnt strong, then your team just folds

usually support role doesnt make space or create tempo

which are more proactive actions

[rugged lily]

right i get that so i try to do healing when i need to or can but also damage/pressure enemy when i can

and kiri+ana+zen also can, well technically all supports can do those things lol

[vernal saddle]

well kiri can kinda bc she can tp which is bull

xD

but ana and zen is basically just like cassi

not very proactive

but yeah, if you want to win games, you gotta make plays or be the playmaker

especially when your team are headless chickens

support role generally doesnt do that

generally you dont see supports making aggressive plays living in enemy territory for long being the playmaker

you see them doing stuff like ana nade to heal/punish, bap lamp and doing peel by shooting while healing

while for the most part being immobile

kiri and juno are interesting in that

kiri might be a little cringe tho

and well moira exists... but most moiras jsut fold

[vernal saddle]

I think that belongs to tracer, who has infinite skill ceiling

[rugged lily]

i mean she can frequently get picks and take off angles

[rugged lily]

i mean you can be proactive, taking off angles again, getting pics, dealing lots of damage even

on support you can make plays actually seen it quite a bit

[rugged lily]

well yeah i dont think any character should be pliving in the enemy territory lmaooo

[rugged lily]

in that...

[rugged lily]

fold how

[rugged lily]

well im talking about roles but yes tracer one of hardest chars and highest skill ceilings in the game

[vernal saddle]

they're really mobile, also juno has that orb poke and her gun and mobility

[vernal saddle]

it's different...

how to put it

it's like the support pop offs are more like punishing mistakes

instead of like causing a chain reaction of mistakes

and then cleaning up

most supports taking off angles means that they're very divable

unless if, again you're a kiri xD

[high flame]

and thats why off angle pokes from characters who have strong escape options like kiri and moira are so valuable

[vernal saddle]

Did mention that

But it is kind of ironic how those are newer supports

[vernal saddle]

Here

[high flame]

Yeah and illari

[rugged lily]

right

[rugged lily]

hmm

[rugged lily]

well you dont take them way away from ur team and it's based on how easy it is for the support hero to escape yk

[rugged lily]

but yeah can u elaborate on this