#Plat 5 Winston (5WPS78) [Adventurer]

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tawny ice
undone glen
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ill take a look later today

tawny ice
undone glen
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big things i noticed are u being a resource hog, as in taking lots of dmg

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and ur target prioritization isnt optimal

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ideally u take out squishy isolated targets

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ASAP

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i notice many times where u go for big damage in clusters rather than the easy free isolated kill

tawny ice
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At the start that is what I used to try to do. The problem I'm having is if I'm waiting for an engage to get on a good target. My team just gets picked off around me. I don't really have time not to be a distraction. It's a weird one cause I totally understand what you are saying and agree but I can't make that play style work cause someone will just eat an arrow or get picked by a hit scan then I'm jsut waiting forever

undone glen
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You want value but you don’t want to be a resource sink at the same time

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Small things like peeking and hiding next to walls as you would do with a bubble will drastically reduce the damage you take

tawny ice
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I feel like I do that a lot, I'll have to rewatch and see.

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Which did you watch?

undone glen
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I watched the code in the title of this post

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I’ll point out specific timestamps of egregious mistakes

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0:00:53

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ignoring the illari and focusing on being in the "action" instead

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illari was a free kill, but you didnt pick it up until 15 seconds later

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0:01:49

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with no bubble in a 3v4, you jump into 3 enemies and take enormous damage

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0:05:05

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you should be bubbling the entrance and holding the ducklings behind, but you jump after tank instead

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this one was extremely bad as they just walked through uncontested and killed your bastion and mercy'

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clearer picture of above incident

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this is all feeding into my point that you need to target squishies more and stop going for the "immediate action"

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0:09:55

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jumping 1v5 into whole team, taking way too much damage then dying

tawny ice
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It feels like if I don't do anything that someone on my team gets picked, some of these are bad for sure. Guess I'm expecting too much for my team to not die while I'm gone for a few seconds aha

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Ill play more patient and wait and see how the games go

undone glen
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i think you need to watch your healers POV and look how much they are doing to keep you up, you dont allow them any freedom to do anything else

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thats 2 less people healing your dps, thats 2 less people doing damage to the enemy team

undone glen
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its also not a patience thing, its about getting better timings

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there is no easy answer to just improve, but over time you test and find better when the good timings are

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and when the bad timings are

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Once principle that really helped me improve my timings was the A10(if you don’t watch him you should) duckling principle.

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The tank is a mama duckling and the squishies are the baby ducklings that follow

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Just wait for the tank to cross and u can get the ducklings

tawny ice
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Fair fair

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Do you mind checking one of the other vids just to confirm that its an issue all round. I know games can change but if what I'm doing is consistent then I need to get on that hard

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Even if it's just a speed watch and then - you do the same things...

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Thanks again fam

undone glen
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obv theres lots to work on, otherwise u would be champ rank. I think something i want to convey is that you need to play winston at a far higher level than plat if you are going to stay winston into 2-3 counters every game and climb out of plat.

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i watched ur other games, and i think you are clearly better than others in the lobby by quite a bit, but you are being forced to play at a much higher level in order to win, an almost insurmountable task(unless ur deep smurfing)

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I am also a one trick believer though, and I will always support just playing one character only to really learn them well

tawny ice
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sub 20% winrate incoming

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the monke never stops

undone glen
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Agreed

hoary rain
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You’ll zap for ult charge, but it may be better to flank and wait for their frontline to move into your team’s LOS(unless a kill presents itself).

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Hallways like those are death traps for Winston.

tawny ice
hoary rain
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The Winston chapter is a solid one

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But another good one is this

tawny ice
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Yeah I've seen that one

hoary rain
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If you try to stuff them in a choke, you’ll get a lot of cleave damage but nothing will come of it besides feeding your HP and bubble cooldown

tawny ice
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I started watching that one but the issue is, the way you play Monkey up in those ranks is a guaranteed loss in gold/plat

hoary rain
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You want to demand attention while also receiving follow-up

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Not really, no

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It’s the same principles, but you are thinking more independently

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Keep in mind that follow-up isn’t just a teammate 321diving with you

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it can be a hitscan that is benefitting from the attention you’re receiving and is instead free to shoot to their little heart’s content

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even if it’s on a different target

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It’s the exact same principles as that vod, but you’re playing to create more individual value and to rely less on support/dps help

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that means your timing, staging, and target priority need to be better than a tank of your rank

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For example, a big part of low elo prefers hard brawl tanks because shoot when the guy is attacking is easy

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and those tanks are healing sponges

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dive is different in that you have a limited window of effectiveness before needing to hard disengage

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if you’re plat on winston, you likely go in at the wrong time and/or without a plan

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you also will likely drop your bubble at the wrong time

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have a little more patience and take a second to see where your team can fight

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then stage your dive accordingly

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it’s super easy at that rank to prey upon a target that’s too far away from their team

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I haven’t seen your replay, but you’ll likely be trying to force kills when you’ve already gotten value via enemy cooldowns/disengaging to heal

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don’t do too much and work to understand what value on Winston really means

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does any of that make sense?

tawny ice
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it does

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revisit once you have a watch, get your thoughts

undone glen
undone glen
hoary rain
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You may be right given this scenario, I’m not sure

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Oh god, haha

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Fair point, sir

hoary rain