#Masters 5 Winston player looking for VOD

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floral void
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red hemlock
timid shell
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gonna take a look at this now, but already id avoid winston on jtown at all costs, hes just not that great on jtown

timid shell
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the main notes are in bold, the rest are just things i noticed or things you couldve done differently in that specific situation

2:09 - you die here, your ana nanos you (74 to blade???) and youre purple but you throw yourself right into the fight and die, its fine to waste a couple seconds of nano if it means you dont die.

2:36 - i see the vision but thats RISKY if you arent a monster with your juggles, id avoid going for those high risk high reward plays until youre more confident in your juggles and all the movement tech with it

3:12 - not much to say besides good dive but that exact reason is why monkey is a bad pick on jtown, 76 just runs away and now youre in no mans land for their counter dive

3:32 - your ana dies here, you peel the doom on her but as soon as doom ults you b-line back to cart, you had bubble, my next move is to instantly drop bubble and comm to ana to shield dance the doom ult. any dps pick you land isnt more valuable than your ana dying there.

4:42 - you guys are on quintenssential dive comp, on the best dive point of the map, there needs to be WAY more communication with your guys' dives, youre diving alone for the most part and youre already at a huge disadvantage as monkey so you need your tracer and genji to be with you at like all times, good communication makes a huge difference (i.e. "ana used nade, tracer genji, im diving ana in 3, 2, 1," versus "im diving ana", even if they dont listen you can say you tried)

6:38 - you played this really well, i like that you immediately come back to point after your ana dies but if you can trade their LW, very worth it

7:34 - i can tell you sorta autopilot your positioning or just group wherever the team is, and while not necessarily bad, you gotta read the room, they have doom soldier, theyre overtime, you need to touch as winston, wheres the first place theyre gonna stack? its gonna be that small tunnel every time. going top right and touching from high ground gives you so many more options in how to play that fight versus funneling in that small room. on maps where youre at disadvantage, you need to be considering where you position yourself at all times

9:44 - its a miracle you guys win tbh, they went into that fight with so many ults and then fucking c9'd thats crazy, the prefight plan seemed shaky (cant know for sure though) and you and your team were all over the place, you gotta remember you dictate the flow of these fights and the dives, personally im gonna push their high ground near their spawn before they leave and try and force
cooldowns, ults, buy time, youre forcing them into an incredibly uncomfortable situation by doing that.

12:00 - this is a really tough portion to get cart through and theyre playing poke comp, you really shouldnt be prioritizing those dives and instead be forcing cart, forcing the payload is alot stronger than people realize, idk why more dont do it, you can force the fight to take place in a position thats better for you (like right inbetween the health pack rooms), you need to be taking as much control as you can in unfavorable fights

12:50 - this is another death that could be prevented with communication, your genji shouldve been on zen with you, idk why that wasnt the first person he went on but i digress, comming your dives can save your life!

13:43 - doing an S jump here wouldve changed the entire team fight, until you have those micro decisions down, you cant be going for those hero plays

14:03 - you shouldnt be meleeing if your gun is hitting multiple people, youre actually doing less DPS, the zap melee is only really good against 1v1 situations (and formerly armored targets)

14:21 - you wouldnt have died if you just waited like,,, 3 seconds. this just comes back to positioning yourself in more advantageous ways, this includes timing and waiting for your team to be able to help, theres potential to cut off doom and sleep and kill him but its just mistimed

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reached character limit, jeez

timid shell
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15:05 - you die here but the engage is really good, i have a hunch youre duo'd with the echo / tracer but either way just comming to wait a sec for the res to go off, you can have her contest the soldier or go on zen with you, those 3 seconds of the fight were 4v5 and you die for it, remember that pretty much every dps is gonna look to you to control these engages, you have to be aware

15:45 - another good engage but youre alone for the beginning of it and by the time your team supports you, theyre already peeling. dive is fast and unforgiving when played right

15:55 - imagine youre this soldier, you just used heal pad, and theres a duped doom and monkey diving you, if thats me, im terrified and probably dead, but you drop and just split up one of the rare times you get 2 dive tanks. that fight couldve gone WAY differently had you coordinated that fight better with your echo

NOTES

you have the foundation of a great winston player but imo, you need to focus on the more minute stuff (juggles, timings, etc). your positioning and awareness of your teammates is whats really holding you back.

-hit the customs and just drill a shit ton of winston juggle practice (TFV1N, highly recommend)

-communicate more, good comms can make the most unwinnable fight won

-shoot a glance around your team before a fight, see where everyones at and if everyones with you

-consume a fuck load of winston / tank players content, no better way to learn than watching
someone whos mastered it already

-work on identifying where youre at disadvantage, whether that be hero, map, etc. if you can know when and where youre at disadvantage and play around it, itll make games like that much easier for you

-just play more, gamesense and positioning arent something you can practice really, play more, review your own vods, watch where pros position. work on being more familiar with the intricacies of how tank plays and functions

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@red hemlock thats about all i got, best of luck with the climb

red hemlock
timid shell
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yeah np, btw if theres anything u think i got wrong or just wanna question smth, just lmk - im not always right about everything and i cant read minds or hear comms so just lmk!

red hemlock
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for sure thanks

half radish
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become a hog otp