#Did terrible in Tank placements, need help with the fundamentals please

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I didn't win a single one of my Tank role placements. The general issues I had with any tank, but mostly Winston were:

  • I couldn't push up. Each time I tried to, the enemy shredded me in seconds, no matter how much I tried to play corners.

  • I kept trying to get my healer's attention when retreating but failing to do so.

  • Staying alive in general. I've been watching how other higher ranked tanks on Twitch play, but I don't understand how they can survive a 5 v 1, whereas I die to a single enemy focusing me unless I'm Winston.

  • Enemies ignoring me when I make a push and going for the squishies. I try my best to peel but they die too fast

  • Reaper. The instant the enemy swapped to him it was a loss.

  • Reinhardt. Similar to Reaper, except as soon as they switch to him, their squishies no longer die because we all can't destroy his shield.

Here is a replay where I just keep chopping and changing between tanks in a vague hope of staying alive as one, on King's Row. It doesn't work ^^;

7PXTFE

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@whole sluice what rank are you I'll watch

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Loading it up now

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Ended up being Bronze 4 (Silver 3 for Supports, not ranked Damage)

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Ok coo I think I can review the monkey play

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U jumped in here

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Never getting heals behind a wall with your healers both in spawn

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Kinda similar thing

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U jump in primal (obviously EMP goes off and that sucks) but your basically 2v4 or 5ing rn with your primal with 3 people who have no chance of following up

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Just totally scuffs the fight

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They EMPd and were probably going to win the right regardless but generally dont wanna jump in using your primal when the entire team can shoot you

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And your team cant follow up

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So far on monkey every fight that your team could support you on your dive u won

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I noticed I have a lot of trouble keeping track of my team when I can't see them. Probably why I'm doing better as support, always at the back

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The ping tool has been helpful for that but not everybody uses it.

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So far 4 fights in a row u won when your team could support u

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This is fine your Ana is occupied by the sombra but zen soldier and sojourn can help pressure your dive and take up attention

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But then u keep walking out of your bubble and out of los of your team

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U get bailed out here lol

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Mainly because they both suck really bad lol

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But u mostly get bailed out by your sojourrn hitting a sick shot on lucio and the mei not focusing u

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But yea u basically won every fight your team could support you on the last fight I think is a very small mistake just an extra example

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LOL BRO YOURE STANDING IN FRONT OF ANA AND SHE DOESNT HEAL JESUS

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Ah yeah I remember that part ^^;

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Not the first time but I'm lacking awareness too so I forgive them ^^:

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Yea your monkey wasl ike fine lots of small mechanical errors and it generally seems like if you lose one fight ur never getting a weel timed fight again because enemy is set and u arent waiting for your teammates to be set. But after you win a fight or two you are kinda snowballing and enemy is staggering so u "accidentally" are making dives backed up by your team

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Another thing is rolling out on Monkey in Kings row attack

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I usually try and do what u did for like a maybe a fight

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But I actually usually try and take the high grounds and walk all the way around to point

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Like get to here and then drop on the supports

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I find thats what works best for me

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And u can always get it

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The high grounds around kings row can be hard abused by monkey to get free paths onto supports

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And when ur monkey shooting squishies that pulls the supports attention away from the dps/tanks which does way more damage than u just shooting them

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Ah is it ok to do that if your supports are struggling to get around the first choke corners?

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I think if the enemy is holding super aggressvel at choke their supports will also have to be holding like on point

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So then this would be better

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But u dont create space by front lining agaisnt the enemy tank

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Like this doesnt create any space

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They just shoot u then u leave

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And so your team has no space

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And then lucio just throws and dies

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Because when low rank players have no space they dont know what to do

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And they just like go in and die lol

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u jump to here

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Which didnt do anything then u just walked back to choke

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But u had the right idea

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But instead of going back to choke why not go on their backline

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Here u could walk on the lucio and junkrat and they are never going to force u out unless the sig and reaper look at u and force u out but thats creating space

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But instead u walk back to choke and pretend youre reinhardt and fight a sigma and reaper create no space and your team eventually all dies and were never really given a fighting chance

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Temporal gave me good advice,

Winston likes 90 degree flanks where his supports can support him and he can sustain in one place for a longer period of time

At 0 degree flanks hes just shooting tanks like sigma reaper

At 180 degree flanks hes shooting squishies but his supports cant really see him

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Even better, he likes 90 degree flanks where he doesnt need to use jump to get to them

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This is where I usually go on attack kings row

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Walk up the stairs and then jump across the gap and u can easily walk on the backline

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But 0 degree flanks are almost never the play

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Maybe in like a dive v dive scenario where your zapping monkey it is

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U can always back up and get heals or u can jump back if the whole team focuses u

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Tbh, one of the best ways to climb on monkey is to play stealthy monkey imo

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Go on sneaky flanks and then walk up on the backline

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The low ranks they dont really focus u that hard and so u can survive forever and get a kill a lot

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And u dont need many resources to do that

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As u get higher teams start focusing u harder if ur stealthy monkey and u need more support so it becomes less useful and more of a niche type of thing

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# calm shard Here u could walk on the lucio and junkrat and they are never going to force u o...

Maybe moira doesnt turn around and u get a kill on lucio or junk. Maybe moira does turn around and the sigma is left without heals and ur team focuses him down. Maybe none of that happens but the junkrat and lucio run backwards towards point and u can then focus the frontline. But u definitely dont walk in front of the sigma and reaper and just get forced out with none of those potential good scenarios possible

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Ah I think I was worried about them slaughtering my team, or trying to distract them without considering the Junk or Lucio

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U do waaaaay more damage to the front line by distracting their heals than u do by just shooting them

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So I should mostly work on being more aware of when my team is ready to push in, angles from which I attack and getting the enemy to turn around and walk backwards more? 🙂

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Thank you, that's a huge help! A lot of Winston advice I've read has been quite vague, but this really gives me specific things to think about in the game. I'll try QP a bit before returning to comp 🙂

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The best thing u can do is go in when your team is ready to go in

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Its wild

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Ive had terrible dives that made no sense but because all 5 of us did it it worked lol

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Yeah I've seen a few videos - mostly by Yeatle - where I wonder how in the world he gets away with things, but it's probably because someone has his back 👀

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All the same Winston is a very fun character, love learning more about him. Queen is quite fun too 🙂