Easy-setup 100% uptime vac nuke Steve's Factory Manager design.

[hot rune]

Applicable Tier: EV+
Version: 2.7.x

Hello everyone! I saw that there is a post about vac nukes using SFM, but design there is not scalable and depends on a lot of redstone. I made a different approach using SFM which I believe is pretty easy and supports up to 24 parallel nukes with 100% uptime and safety (if setup everything correctly of course).

Setup guide is in pdf. And also a small video demo on how it works.

If you have any questions or if you don't understand something in the text (well, I'm pretty bad at writing), ask and I'll gladly answer)

Also I can drop world for you to check an actual MIM configuration. And also I think that there are possibly can be some improvements of this configuration, so if you see those please share your ideas)

P.S. this design assumes that you already have vacuum freezer somewhere.

[torn crater]

What exactly is different from the SFM setup that is already posted? Because that setup does support multiple nukes with 100% uptime and safety?

Also, what do you mean by "depends on a lot of redstone"?

[hot rune]

I meant this post https://discord.com/channels/181078474394566657/1268864153213337633 (maybe I missing some other post with SFM vac nuke?)

The main difference I would say that my approach much more compact, more scalable than previous one.

Also, what do you mean by "depends on a lot of redstone"?
Well, I'm not sure how to formulate it properly, but I think that design there is overcomplicated and really hard to expand.

Oh I see what you mean)

There is the same thing in flowcharts which I couldn't see lol.

I basically recreated bicycle. Cringe but whatever

[grave aurora]

this could work without applied energistics yeah?

[grave aurora]

maybe ive done something wrong but the reactor wont start at all

[grave aurora]

The redstone control is scuffed but I can’t fix it

[heavy seal]

make sure u picked the fuel rod with durability

[blazing ether]

sometimes when there are 2 coolants swaps at the same moment, it puts a fuel rod in the place like in this example

[elfin vessel]

Where does the 24 parallel come from? I assume that was max amount that was tested or did actually have issues with more ?

[patent acorn]

hey, any reason i wouldnt detect my me interface?

[hot rune]

Well, at that time I didn't know how to properly use variables and foreach loops. There is a limit of maximum 999 items in specify amount section. 24*40 (fuel rods) = 960.

But using variables it is possible to much more scale it

[hot rune]

Are you using advanced cable cluster? There is another cable cluster which doesn't work as inventory cable

Or you mean ME interface? If it is connected with inventory cable then I have no idea. It works in 2.7.3 and 2.8.0 for me

If it doesn't work whatsoever you can use 2 different storages for fuel rods and depleted fuel rods and connect them to ME interface using ender io pipes

[hot rune]

You need to have at least 2 coolant cells in storage, then it will work. Perfectly if there are 14 cells for swap

It would be better if SFM had integer variables, but it is how it is

[patent acorn]

all good, got it

[clear veldt]

how does the program understand the pattern of placed rods and coolant cells? maybe i skipped a step or smth. It's just putting everything in without any order and then the reactor blows up

[hot rune]

It won't blow up because:

1. In the first step we replace old fuel rods and then we check that we have enough of them or more.
2. In the second step we replace coolant cells and then we check that we have enough. If in the first step we placed too many rods then now we will not be able to place enough coolant cells and reactor will stop work

And it does not understand pattern it just fills missing elements

[clear veldt]

i mean my program just puts in all the 40 rods and only after that coolant cells

[hot rune]

oh I see what you mean. You need to put correct scheme in the reactor before starting the SFM

[clear veldt]

I see Thanks for explaining everything

[hot rune]

np)

[kindred haven]

there is also a post with sfm vacnukes in #1133478497403273267

not sure how similar it works to your design but I based mine on that and it works very good with multiple reactors

[hot rune]

Yeah, I mentioned it after, but whatever. I'm glad that my design was helpful for someone

[humble hull]

what does it make 100% uptime ? if you mentioned it somewhere sorry I just looked trough it fast. can SFM take out dmged coolant and put in new one in single tick without any delay ?
if not can it sense reactor cycle ?
As far as i know reactors are unpredictable and wont turn on imidiently after signal is applied and also wont turn off imidiently. if cycle is 20tick and you introduce 1 tick where you have no coolant in reactor you have 1/20 chance on each iteration to get heat which is fairly low and if you get lucky on initialization it may take days of runtime to blow but can still blow..
I spent whole day doing this with AE using state cells with 1sec delay before giving ae access to reactor after its turned off and then turning back on with one tick delay and turning access off instantly.
I was runing ae just cycling colant bellow 75% for several minutes with no checks just by having looping cell in IO ports and prioritized storage busses and i did not get any heat but its certainly not safe

[hot rune]

Yes, it can swap in the same tick

[humble hull]

thats crazy

well i guess im gonna go that route programming is fun and i can use IO ports and busses elsewhere

how does it execute stuff ? entire one iteration of loop in single tick ?

[hot rune]

Exactly

[humble hull]

😄

[hot rune]

Well, I also tried different approaches (OC, AE2, different pipes from a lot of mods) and SFM is the only way I believe

[hot rune]

This mod was a good discovery (or I could just look at the flowcharts from the start, lol)

[humble hull]

well you can allways stand there and replace cells by holding fresh one with your cursor and clicking on dmged one xD that also swaps it instantly

[humble hull]

its not well placed there it should be here people go look in flow charts to see flow charts not reactor automation

[humble hull]

well i build it I went trough all nodes several times I stocked all inputs with enough rods and cells I have reactor with stuff set up in it and it just doesent turn that reactor on

[hot rune]

Check all conditions, most likely you did something wrong there

[humble hull]

I went trough everything multiple times I found some errors like I selected both variable and reactor or forgot to click whitelist somewhere but conditions seem to be all right

[hot rune]

Use fuzzy detection on all items or something

[hot rune]

Try to connect first condition to "On", if it starts then problem somewhere else

And continue this process

[humble hull]

when i connect it straight to this from triger it doesent turn on

[hot rune]

Try to connect from trigger to condition (R)

[humble hull]

that works

only thing that works is if i use it as fancy redstone cable xD

it doesent detect coolant inside

[hot rune]

Which inventories are being checked?

[humble hull]

In everywhere where its supposed to touch reactor i used that variable global white with reactor block checked in there

wtf it just started working now

I was only clicking trough stuff to make screenshots and now it works...

well it maybe works xD i will know that when i let it run enough to give it chance to go boom

its taking forever to drain that coolant xD

it works well at least swaps coolant whether it works or not thats something ill find out after few hours of runing it

[humble hull]

also what is the reason for timer ? script can update its self..

[hot rune]

Yeah, in case of uranium fuel rods you can use timer in trigger. But when I was doing this I was thinking of "The Core" and in this case 1 second is not enough (because delay is >= 1 second and reactor may blow up cuz too much heat from those fuel rods)

[humble hull]

oh you cant set it under second ?

[hot rune]

Yeah

Only integer > 0

[humble hull]

hmm yea well then

does timer have silent mode ? XD

[hot rune]

Just use timer in trigger) It is enough

[humble hull]

I have 3 timers now around base ticking 2-4times a second and im hearing that ticking even when there is none at this point

I dream ticking

[hot rune]

And yes, redstone timer is really annoying with this noise

[hot rune]

Crazy

[humble hull]

im gonna be soon idle tapping my fingers in 0.25sec intervals or noding my head or something if this continues xD

[trail osprey]

Hello, i had 4 nukes with 99% mox Running for About 1hr After one exploded. I have more than 200 Coolant cells for Backup so I dont really get his this is possible. I am playing on a Server is it possible that this is making Problems?

[hot rune]

Hmm, can I see setup? On my server I had this setup for like 2 months and it have never exploded.
Btw there are better fuel rods (plutonium one that runs for 70k seconds, generates 302k eu/tick) than mox, I prefer using them.

I believe there are a few ways to blow up, if it was set wrong:

1. Conditions are wrong. You need to have 14 cells and 40 fuel rods per reactor.
2. Swap cells too late (I'm using 1-5% for 360k cell)
3. For some reason server could skip a lot of ticks of sfm while reactor was active
4. Forgot to add some emitters on reactor disabling

I need to see the setup to understand though

[trail osprey]

I am using 1-20% for the Swap. Thanks for the Tip with Plutonium makes sense to switch.
Here are i think the important bits of the Setup

I also switched up some Coolant cells in case the setup is Overwhelmed with multiple Switches in one Reactor. Works fine since my first Massage

[trail osprey]

Okay just had the first Fuel rod Swap. Multiple Things are going wrong.
Both Conditions dont seem to work. I had one reactor with 20 Coolant cells and the System didnt shut off. 2 other Reactors exploded almost Instantly Probably Coolant swap Going wrong and Inputing Fuel rods instead of Coolant.

[hot rune]

I see. You have 4 reactors so it should be 40*4=160 fuel rods and 14*4=56 coolant cells in conditions. That at least should prevent reactor from exploding and from putting in too many cells.

Can I also see items in fuel rods and coolant cells swap chains?

[trail osprey]

Oh ha i am stupid xD In the Fuel rods and Coolant swap chains i also only put in 40 and 14.

Thanks for the Help

[vale fable]

After testing the setup i found two issues, maybe because i didnt set it up correctly:

1. On the step where coolant is replaced, when no new coolant is available it stops too late and the reactor temp may rise.
2. When the output chest for the coolant is full and the coolant cant be extracted and thus gets destroyed it wont get replaced fast enough and the reactor temp rises again.

To "fix" these issues i made 2 new conditions:

1. To check if enough spare coolant is available (I set it at 14xnumber of reactos to ensure i can replace every single coolant cell in the reactors. Maybe a bit overprotective but better safe then sorry)
2. To check if any coolant cells with 1%, 2%, 3% damage left are in the reactor. If so the export didnt work and the reactor shuts down. The cells are still setup to extract from 1%-20% so they will still get removed if the space clears up.

(Since this was just a quick fix and my first time using SVM there is at least one issue: you need to have over 14 new coolant cells in the input chest for the reactor to start.)

Another thing i would add is another redstone receiver to get an input from an energy detector cover to stop the reactor when the battery buffer is almost full which shouldnt be too hard to implement but ill have to look into it since its my first time with SVM but from what i could see it should be fairly simple.

Other than that its a pretty good design 😄 I didnt know SVM is this powerful i need to use it way more but i dont know for what ^^

[hot rune]

Another thing i would add is another redstone receiver to get an input from an energy detector cover to stop the reactor when the battery buffer is almost full which shouldnt be too hard to implement but ill have to look into it since its my first time with SVM but from what i could see it should be fairly simple.
You can use last Condition (R) for this, just add "AND Gate" with your another conditions

About mentioned problems:

1. I'm not sure that it will stop too late, because right after coolant swaps it checks that there are enough coolant cells in reactors so it must stop if there is not enough
2. Reasonable, probably I should've mentioned it earlier that I assume output storage works always perfectly... But there is certainly some possibility that something can go wrong... So yeah, better to add another check as you did

[vale fable]

I disabled the safety checks i added and tested it again with a 2% durabilty coolant cell and no new cells in the chest buffer. when the cell gets destroyed the reactor heats up. Maybe it just isnt fast enough with the internal logic. Yeah i put another redstone condition for an additional redstone receiver between the turn on and the kill switch node with strength set to 0 through 13. That seems to work.

[jade dagger]

oh I think I know why you are limited by 24 nukes...

[hot rune]

Don't use mox... Use plutonium one (with 70k seconds lifespan) or the core

If you really want mox, use for each loops (which is worse than using better rods)

[jade dagger]

I will upgrade to the core really soon

tbh mox carried my energy needs

also my friend basically built this logic but without any rod amount checks and that one has also be running without problems for 200h now

so that could even be expanded to more than 24 but with risk of breaking

[somber wedge]

Copy the program and make another set up

[jade dagger]

just making sure these both increase by 40 per reactor I add right?

or only the condition?

[hot rune]

Yeah, both

Honestly the amount in output is pretty useless but whatever

[jade dagger]

if I take a coolant out Cond 2 works but no new cell is getting inserted, no idea

oh

[hot rune]

If you take it by your hands then there is a high possibility that it will insert another rod

[jade dagger]

after changing both to fuzzy it works

weird

[jade dagger]

thats what the output check is there for no?

if I take out the core it will insert new the core now and if I take out coolant it will insert new coolant now by hand

[hot rune]

Output checks are not checking inventory, they will just try to output at max 40 rods and that's it. Need to rework this scheme, too many issues

[jade dagger]

weird then

well it should work now at least 🙏

looks good

it still says cond 2 is false lmao

it shouldnt run but it does

[hot rune]

Nothing bad will happen, trust me

[jade dagger]

will test if smth happens when I restart server now just to be sure

[hot rune]

I assume that you don't turn off redstone emitter. It saves it's state

[jade dagger]

that could be the case

not that good with sfm just made it how I think it would work

yeah know it works properly ty

[hot rune]

np

[jade dagger]

great

[humble hull]

Im now expanding reactors and variables dont seem to work only one reactor gets managed and emiter variable doesent work at all

I cant figure it out no matter what i do it behaves the same

[hot rune]

Have you changed amount of rods/cells in conditions, inputs, outputs?

[humble hull]

when i did it didnt work

I still dont know whats wrong with it but i broke cable connecting these reactors deleted variable block set it to diferernt variable reset all stuff to use that new variable now reactor one works emiter still doesent

[hot rune]

Can I see the setup?

[humble hull]

yea soon as i get in game

[jade dagger]

my core setup has been working good so far

[humble hull]

that first reactor i build was working no matter what i changed when i broke that cable to it and kept only new one newone still wasnt working..

[jade dagger]

I added these to see what is wrong

like what condition is wrong and if nukes are turned off/on rn

[humble hull]

dont mind these 2 extra conditions at the end they dont realy do much it was my atempt at turning reactor on/off depending on how much power i have Im not sure what its even doing but it seems to be holding reactor around same output as my powerdemand when lsc gets full

I removed emiter variable entirely it just didnt work

it works now all stuff has var selected instead of reactors

im not sure what this does but i selected this for all stuff where stuff is being pushed in/out of inv

I should prob upgrade that freezer its still on hv lol

[hot rune]

Oh, I haven't seen this interface before, lol.

I guess you shouldn't even change the amounts in input/outputs/conditions. I need to test it

It's weird that only 1 reactor works though

[humble hull]

both work now

just emiters didnt work at all

I reset everything maybe i didnt have that variable properly selected or it was just buged

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[plucky meadow]

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[humble hull]

dont mind me i need this xD and i dont want it spamed away in other channels

[humble hull]

oh and to get to that interface

[green idol]

anyone know why my reactors wouldnt be turning on?

I have 12 reactors so i multiplied my fuel cells and rods by 12

[hot rune]

Did it work with 1 reactor?

[green idol]

never tried 1

just went right for 12

ix fixed fine?

thats default

[hot rune]

Ok, try to check which condition is messed up (just use another emitter to test which condition is wrong)

[hot rune]

Yes

[green idol]

place another emitter on the network and connect it somehow in the flow?

[hot rune]

Yeah, connect it to conditions to see which is false

[green idol]

like this?

[hot rune]

yes

[green idol]

so I hooked it to the true, and the emitter has 0 signal

on the check rods condition

[hot rune]

Do you use fuzzy detection in condition?

[green idol]

fuzzy in the prceeding input/outputs as well

[hot rune]

And inventories?

Also, is it even triggering?

[green idol]

the redstone?

it must be triggering if I hookup the emitter to false side and lamp turns on yes?

[hot rune]

Yes

[green idol]

inventories? wdym

[hot rune]

Probably forgot to add some reactors there

Or into the variable

[green idol]

hard to show but i have 12 selected

in these black boxes i have 12 reactors selected

[hot rune]

Too hard... Have you filled every reactor with rods and cells?

However, it must insert those anyway

[green idol]

every reactor has 14 coolant and 40 quad uranium cells just double checked

btw thanks for helping me troubleshoot

[hot rune]

Does something change if you put here 40?

[green idol]

Put 40 there, no change

as in like
reactors not on

?

requires all is fine?

[hot rune]

I mean does flow now go in the cells swap? Try to use other emitter from before

[hot rune]

It's fine

[green idol]

side note really quick - how does one actually get the power from these things? can we not transform up?

super cons only way?

[hot rune]

Don't get it, wdym

[green idol]

It says the reactor is
43,600 EU/t or 21.3A EV
can i output into EV->IV transformer?

[hot rune]

oh, you can just use IV cables

[green idol]

for 12 nukes, is 64x vanadium gallium cable large enough?

[hot rune]

Are those LuV?

[green idol]

yes

[hot rune]

Well, those will probably have too many losses since cables can transport 0.25A, 0.5A etc

But you can use them, yeah

If you already in LuV there are better fuel rods though

[green idol]

the emitter, once i turn it on it stays on is that intended?

[green idol]

currently late iv early luv

just setting up with uranium to test, dont have better fuel in bulk yet

[hot rune]

Yeah, already can use high density plutonium or something like that

[hot rune]

Yes

[green idol]

source the 239 from where?

bee?

[hot rune]

Tier 3 planet I believe

[green idol]

flow looks fine? this is setup

[hot rune]

Looks fine

[green idol]

emitter off here, from earlier, is bad right?

something is wrong with check rods?

[hot rune]

Yes, I think so, but I can't get what is wrong

idk, try to remove quad rods from condition and add the same thing

[green idol]

wdym

[hot rune]

probably will help

Remove rods from here

And add them again

[green idol]

remvoed rods, light turned on

[hot rune]

As expected

Need to replace it (emitter)

[green idol]

wait

i think i see

there is 2

this is the good one
(the one i wasnt on

i was on this

lmao

[hot rune]

[green idol]

ahhhh

so pain

ty

[hot rune]

np

[green idol]

it would appear its just uraniuum that has two...

other fuels dont

[hot rune]

They updated it in 2.8 and for some reason haven't deleted the previous version of uranium fuel rods...

[green idol]

Light turns on now

[green idol]

do you know how many vac freezers on what amperage i should make for 12 reactor doing uranium?

[hot rune]

1 LuV vac freezer is enough I believe. I'm using 1 LuV cryogenic vac freezer for The Core and that's enough

[clear veldt]

What's wrong with MOX btw? I saw you saying not to use it. Is it bad? I mean the plutonium rods are kinda expensive.

[kindred haven]

Idk, mox is goated, although I use a different SFM setup

[hot rune]

There is nothing wrong with them, but I think that plutonium ones are much more useful and use pretty much the same resources

For mox you need 3 * 160 plutonium (and a lot of IC cooling) and return only 40 (and working 10k seconds with 100k eu/t output)

For high density you need 800 plutonium (and 320 HSS-S ingots) and return 640 plutonium with 160 hss-s. (and working 70k seconds with 300k eu/t output)

So I prefer plutonium ones

[kindred haven]

you return more plutonium from mox then you use in them

[kindred haven]

just process depleted rods in thermal centrifuge xD

And HSS-S would be annoying to get in large quantities if you spam nukes

[hot rune]

Yeah, but there is 0 uranium return from that. I believe that was the main reason why I've chosen plutonium

But use whatever you like, it doesn't really matter

[kindred haven]

uranium? Why would it matter?

It's free from staballoys

[kindred haven]

they are the main sponsor of VacNukes tbh

[hot rune]

Now I know about them) Thx for info

But still, 960 uranium per 10k seconds for 100k eu/t is quite a lot but whatever

[kindred haven]

Well, staballoy dust itself is basically free, the only problem is how fast you can centrifuge it

[kindred haven]

how do you source plutonium btw?

[hot rune]

There is no need in a lot of plutonium, only 160 per cycle, so I believe at that time I just was mining it on callisto or somewhere else

[kindred haven]

Also, I think you're wrong about HDP rods: they use 320 HSS-S ingots and return ~302 ingots, so it's a lot less

[kindred haven]

(there is also dust return when you compress ingots)

[hot rune]

Yeah, in those calculations I did not count amount returned from imp compressor

But the most annoying part is to get ingots from dust so

[clear veldt]

I wonder why do we need the second receiver? Does it do anything?

[hot rune]

It ticks the program

I need to update manual though, there is much better solution

[flat drum]

Please do, I tried doing the other SFM vac nuke and it just doesn't want to work

[clear veldt]

what could be the reason for SFM not removing depleted rods from the reactor?

[hot rune]

Wrong depleted rods in input from reactor
Something wrong with storage

[clear veldt]

this is my first input in section 2

[hot rune]

Try use fuzzy detection

[clear veldt]

it worked

thank you so much

[hot rune]

np

[flat drum]

any clue why its not working?

fixed it