Introducing the NAC

[versed holly]

idk i never used nac

also

gregos may just get angry

[nimble crane]

gregos?

[versed holly]

idk if he would be happy to be doing different recipes all the time

[dawn lance]

it would be very happy

theres one bit in the doc that sort of talks about this

1 moment

[versed holly]

so the meta is having a single nac for all circuits?

[dawn lance]

Additionally, the amount of different items produced by the modules connected to the GREGOS allow it to experiment with various production strategies, improving the material efficiency of parts with enough combinations (1.0x-1.25x multiplier to output to all modules)

this is not implemented YET

but its part of the doc so it will get in eventually

[versed holly]

from what in understood from a logic perspective, the speed bonus should scale as it does the same recipes more and more

cuz the meta shouldn't be having a single nac imo

we'll see how much that is true

[dawn lance]

Gameplay wise this means the player is incentivized to keep the NAC running (passive even?), while also having to balance the amount of dedicated modules
is what the doc says about gameplay impact of it

[cerulean fern]

I think a single nac is fine, george is a single multi

plus tps

[versed holly]

well, if it's passive then the boost should be from making the same recipe not different ones

[versed holly]

you alr removed 900 cals

let us have 4 nacs

[cerulean fern]

I mean you can make 4 nacs lmfaooo

[versed holly]

i think mechanics should uncentivize doing all recipes in the same nac

[versed holly]

if it wants to experiment with different productions methods, it's different methods of doing the same thing not doing different things

it's what i interpret

[cerulean fern]

can you explain why you want this?

[versed holly]

to make the automation more complex and varied between nacs

[dawn lance]

i dont understand your line of thinking here honestly but its not really my position to care about balance

[night stag]

from waht I can tell between this and the talks in #mod-dev and #meta-dev , the community is very divided on "One NAC should be enough for everything" vs "you should have a bunch of NACs"

[versed holly]

nac shouldn't just be an mcr where it's perfect oc and you just pattern stuff in

the doc itself talks abt making it passive

[cerulean fern]

Would you want 1 nac per circuit type then?

[versed holly]

one multi for everything is boring

[dawn lance]

imo the acceptable range of nacs should be smth like
2<#<12

[cerulean fern]

to be the most effective that is

[versed holly]

unless the multi is something really simple or something godlike

circuits aren't simple

[somber summit]

so like how beamline was designed?

[dawn lance]

maybe? i dont know much about beamline

[somber summit]

i think if you want to even use beamline for everything craftable with beamline, you need multiple of the multis

[night stag]

what about if you had to add a beamline to the NAC (ething array would need protons)? that's still on our TODO list, how would that impact everyone's opinion on how many NACs they would have in an ideal stargate world

[versed holly]

photons

i'll stay with the opinion of 1 per circuit line

[night stag]

that one

[somber summit]

needing some for passive things sounds cool

[versed holly]

i wanna passive circuits in it and get rewarded for that

[somber summit]

it doesn't sound like theres a lot of Truly passive things in end game since you can on-demand bs

[cerulean fern]

"For every 5000 ^ 1.1 ^ N of the same CC that passes through a module, the speed of this CC increases by 100% (Cap at N=10, but requires over 4 trillion CCs so essentially unreachable)
For every CC that is not the same type, the value of this optimization lowers by 2x the amount."

[brisk pebble]

I also agree with 1 per circuit line, I think that would be a good amount

[cerulean fern]

@versed holly this was actually the original intention it seems

im down with 1 per circuit line

[versed holly]

oh yeah so i was right, gregos gets annoyed at variety

[cerulean fern]

there are only like 4-5 relevant endgame circuit lines as of now, and if you really want a NAC for nand and shit this gives you the option (aditya)

[versed holly]

also we should do that thing of the universal circuit

[cerulean fern]

im convinced!

[somber summit]

lv circuit singularity when

/j

[cerulean fern]

"This feature allows dedicating NAC modules for specific circuit production, allowing upwards of 500-700% speedup compared to the base recipe times later on."

[versed holly]

a single nac-only circuit for ulv-ev/iv

[cerulean fern]

well i think its fast enough that it doesnt need a speed bonus

so you can devote one non optimized nac to low tier circuits

i lowkey dont think i would be able to outpace a nac with a normal endgame factory making the parts for low tier circuits so it works out

[versed holly]

cals are fine for low tier circuits and those aren't much used, but i think all cals should have option to be swapped

well, maybe not high flow circuit stuff but yeah

ae2 nanoprocessors

[brisk pebble]

hmm, stuff like nand chips are already quite simple to make, having a coagulated circuit thats like 5 tiers at once might be a bit strange

[cerulean fern]

thats what im thinking

[versed holly]

i think it's a great idea

[cerulean fern]

less intricacies the better

[somber summit]

i imagine it would just be convertable to any of the 5 circuit tiers, not literally all 5 circuits at once

[nimble crane]

adding beamline impacts my opinion to the ideal ammmount of NACs being 0

[dawn lance]

is beamline really that bad

no way its preferrable to 900+ cals

er, 900+ cals is preferrable to it

[nimble crane]

beamline is just a design mistake

either fix it pretending to be complex

or yeet it

[brisk pebble]

its not great that its purely spreadsheet based but its also like not the end of the world

[versed holly]

yeah it can have forming press recipes for "any" of any tier

[nimble crane]

there is just no reason for it to exist in that state

actively makes you engage less with the game

[versed holly]

are you considering the fixes and buffs?

in nightly

[nimble crane]

the fixes and buffs dont solve the core issue

[versed holly]

it makes it good

[nimble crane]

this is not about the multi being slow or anything

[versed holly]

at least

[somber summit]

isnt EoH literally a spreadsheet multi

[versed holly]

not really

[dawn lance]

no its more of a slot machine

[nimble crane]

EoH is bad design as well

[versed holly]

space miner is worse than beamline

was

[brisk pebble]

I'd compare beamline to nukes, those are also purely spreadsheet based

[nimble crane]

it is

[versed holly]

yeah nukes are 100% program simulator

[nimble crane]

if something is purely spreadsheet based it should be phased out in favour of something else

and not actively added as a dependency

[versed holly]

that's not how things work

[somber summit]

that does not seem like something that would be universally agreed upon

[nimble crane]

it is how they should work though

[cerulean fern]

id actually agree with nye, beamline being almost blackbox and nonengaging to the core is a turn off

[somber summit]

i assume not everyone is even against the concept of spreadsheet based multis

[cerulean fern]

could be solved somewhat with a spiffy ui

[nimble crane]

who is in favour of it?

[cerulean fern]

that shows potential wafers based on linac size

[nimble crane]

do you enjoy having a multi and solving it by looking at a spreadsheet?

is that what you want gameplay to be?

[versed holly]

being in favour of the multi is very different of being in favour with it's current mechanics

if you think the mechanic is bad feel free to try to fix or propose changes

[cerulean fern]

if it also showed what size linac youd need to target different nac presets thatd be nice

its not unfixable

[versed holly]

no one likes the spreadsheet aspect

[somber summit]

im not against complex multis if you can actually figure out the complexity yourself

[cerulean fern]

just requires more information at the fingertips

[nimble crane]

yeah same

[versed holly]

it's just on someone's hand to help fix

[nimble crane]

waterline is goated

cause you can do everything on your own

but as long as beamline is in it's current state i am strongly against forcing people to use it

cause it will just make the experience playing the game worse imO

[versed holly]

yeah but think that instead of saying beamline has to be removed
you can say that beamline has to be reworked

[nimble crane]

i never said it has to be removed

[cerulean fern]

what do you need beamline for anyway? how many would you expect to need?

[somber summit]

the more people use beamline the more people will give critique on it which will give devs the feedback they need to know how to rework it

i assume like less than 10

[nimble crane]

all i want is that it isnt integrated while it is in its current state

[versed holly]

u said it has to phased out

[nimble crane]

i said spreadsheet based multis need to be phased out

reworking them counts as that

[cerulean fern]

lowkey im fine either way but im leaning toward nye here

[somber summit]

if you can make the spreadsheet yourself fairly simply (or do the equivalant math yourself) i dont really see the issue

[nimble crane]

but you cant for beamline

[somber summit]

if you cant, then i agree

[cerulean fern]

you cant

[somber summit]

ok so the issue w beamline is the lack of transparency

[versed holly]

yeah but we want to make things use them cuz of a concept, and can't just wait until they are perfect, it's an incentive for people to make it, and give feedbacl

[cerulean fern]

the calculations make no sense to most human beings

[nimble crane]

what if the concept in itself was a mistake

[versed holly]

we can't just wait for beamline to be goot to them add it to nac

[versed holly]

in this case it isn't

it's pretty cool

[nimble crane]

i am literally majoring in maths and i am appallled by the beamline maths

cause its just abhorrent

[cerulean fern]

why not tho?

[somber summit]

whats the issue w beamline maths as someone not familiar w it

[versed holly]

theyre impossible

to do

by hand

only way to even see the maths is by looking at the code

[nimble crane]

you cannot figure out what to do by ingame info

[versed holly]

ok but

[nimble crane]

and even if you look at the code

it isnt interesting either

but just numbercrunching

[versed holly]

you still don't know how we will implement it in nac

[somber summit]

ok but thats not an issue with the math itself thats an issue with the opaqueness of the multi

[versed holly]

problem for the normal beamline working is that it has to be in a specific range

[nimble crane]

nah the maths itself is also dumb

[versed holly]

what if on nac it doesn't have restrictions and is just a matter of scaling more

[nimble crane]

no engagement, just number crunching

if it requires building a beamline for a specific particle count + EV it will literally have the same issue of there being 1 optimal config everyone copies

[versed holly]

my personal idea was to make it require only linac and source, and different particles

so you had to automate swapping the source object

to change the particle type

[night stag]

the plan for now is nac has a specific range, and speed scales with the amount, which you can increase by giving the cyclotron more power
but we're ofc always open to more feedback

[somber summit]

god i still cant imagine how youd even hook up beamline into NAC without it either being hidden away or very ugly

[nimble crane]

yknow actually

i could rage out and actually write up a beamline rework i would be happy with

that would allow some actually fun engaging options

[night stag]

before 2.8?

[versed holly]

would be much appreciated

really

[nimble crane]

i mean i probably wont be able to immplement it

cause i suck at GT source code

[versed holly]

the idea is alr enough to make the gears start turning

[night stag]

unironically if there's concrete plans for a rework I might make it not required until that's through

(I = we ofc)

[versed holly]

beamline is conceptually very cool

[brisk pebble]

make it consume gt++ photons until then

[versed holly]

but the spreadsheet depency is the problem

[nimble crane]

like large engraving chain is goated

but implementation is just ass

[versed holly]

i'll kill you cloud

[dawn lance]

cloud based as usual

we love gtpp

[brisk pebble]

!duality

[loud nest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/181078474394566657/969356153643479110/unknown.png

[brisk pebble]

oh hey, bot commands work here

[nimble crane]

pog

!tyrant

[loud nest]

100% legit
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/224191655375273985/1036653421278810122/462e14e0fc.gif

[dawn lance]

!oobt

wtf

when did that get removed

[versed holly]

i think the idea of swapping particle types is cool for now

[brisk pebble]

I cant really comment on it since I havent played around with the beamline at all yet

I just know its spreadsheet based

[nimble crane]

yeah

i would reccomend against playing around with it

[versed holly]

it is powerful

so it's worth

just not fun

[nimble crane]

it just isnt fun

and if your multi isnt fun

[versed holly]

eoh isn't fun aswell

[nimble crane]

yes

i know

did you ever see me advocating for EoH?

[night stag]

I'm keeping an actionable list of feedback from everyone here, if there's more ping me, this is all actionable feedback we're gonna discuss and take into consideration for the next phase of NAC. I'm gonna sleep soon

[night stag]

EOH so boring it got me implementing NAC

[versed holly]

just saying that we should not stop from using it just cuz it isn't currently the best

[somber summit]

ok so disregarding all the "spreadsheet dependency hell" shit is beamline actually good?

[versed holly]

yes

[somber summit]

like, for end game wafers

[versed holly]

after the buffs yes

[somber summit]

even compared to multiamp HILE?

[nimble crane]

if there were alternatives to using EoH that were more engaging i would do those instead even if they were suboptimal

[versed holly]

yes

[nimble crane]

i like suffering

like i am challengerunning this, if there is a worse alternative that is just more fun i will take it

[somber summit]

ok well thats good bc wasnt beamline very weak earlier on?

like a few updates ago

slash when it was first introruced

[versed holly]

yes

[nimble crane]

tbh i still havent figured out why both linac and synchrotron exist

cause having both doesn't really make sense to me

[somber summit]

can they add a thing similar to the "laser pipe mirror" thing but for beamline around thr tier when you need it for the NAC

[versed holly]

they do different things

irl

[nimble crane]

i know how particle accelerators work

their implementation just doesn't really make sense rn

[versed holly]

i mean

it kinda does imo

[stray bough]

this isn’t really nac related anymore

[versed holly]

[somber summit]

im still in favor of integrating beamline into NAC bc itll give devs more incentive to fix the problems ppl have w beamline

[woven sorrel]

i have an extreme distaste for this idea that you can incentivize devs to do things by increasing their usage

it does not work

[nimble crane]

imO it actually makes it worse cause there are more things you need to consider when fixing

[somber summit]

alright yeah actually true nevermind i thought about it for more than 2 seconds

[woven sorrel]

it’s the same line of reasoning that leads to hydro dam still existing

if we keep it surely someone will want to fix it

[stray bough]

we know beamline needs some changes

but even in its current state its pretty acceptable for nac

[somber summit]

nobody needs to use hydrodam though

an actually good analogy is EoH, people have problems with it but there isnt really a huge drive to fix those issues

[dawn lance]

yea im the exact same

[somber summit]

or maybe there is a drive, but its maybe hard to fix those issues

[nimble crane]

i just don't see the point tbh, what does it add to NAC to begin with? if beamline was interesting i would see how adding it would be a boon by itself but it just isn't

[dawn lance]

but the nac doc was approved i guess by devs and admins so id like to treat everything in it (including beamline usage) as gospel and just follow it

[nimble crane]

so adding it for contents sake juse makes NAC less enjoyable

like this is a game so the first question one should ask themselves is does a dev decision make gameplay feel either more fun / streamlined or more rewarding by solving a difficult challenge

and i currently don't see beamline in nac provide either of those

[stray bough]

noc had a nice idea of just requiring swapping the particle type in the beamline

which I quite like

[nimble crane]

that could be cool

anyways i am pondering on how to salvage beamline for a while now

[stray bough]

I think beamline conceptually just has cool multis to build which makes it some added value in itself too honestly

[nimble crane]

i got some ideas

[stray bough]

its a bit like computation

[nimble crane]

just didnt get to formalize them

[stray bough]

computation is fine when it doesnt need t be spammed too much

[nimble crane]

i like the idea of beamline

the implementation just feels bad

i think discretizing would fix a lot

[somber summit]

yeah but with computation you can bend the pipes LOL

[stray bough]

i think lately a lot of energy is going towards people trying to remove gameplay because they dont want to play the game, building a few multis is also just playing the game and is pretty fun on its own

beamline mirror would make sense

its just something thats missing currently, i dont think anyone has an issue with someone pring that

[somber summit]

seems like a simple pr, just combine the code for beamline pipes with the code for laser mirrors

oh and minor textures

[stray bough]

its simple enough yes

[somber summit]

and recipe

[nimble crane]

ye removing gameplay kinda sucks, i think getting rid of spam is good and beamline could accomplish that for HILEs, just just still too jank

[somber summit]

why was multiamp HILE even added btw?

[austere stag]

IMO only things beamline really could use is a way to control the LINAC power, to decrease it without swapping the energy hatches with readstone control or something

[stray bough]

what i mean is that just putting down a multi and tweaking some values is also just playing the game, even if its not very complex

[nimble crane]

cause people didnt like playing with beamline

[somber summit]

i know thats irrelevant but im curious

[versed holly]

and you put 60% of the bonus is having a working automation and 40% on the power scaling of linac

or smthg like that

so it doesn't need any kind of spreadsheet

[stray bough]

yeah i think its good

[nimble crane]

i mean i dont got an issue with just multis with weird configs, it's just that i kinda got the expectation that the game should be playable without either codediving or looking up magic numbers

[woven sorrel]

• beamline turned out a lot worse than expected balance and usability-wise
• hile is capable of getting a lot of parallels and it feels bad to not be able to use them

[somber summit]

i see, thats fine then

[versed holly]

after recent buffs beamline is better tho

in endgame

[versed holly]

Bugs:
-At least assembly matrix always consume 100% of the stored fluids, no matter how many parallels it is doing
-Control Room can only output up to 1 stack of items, voids all excess, even on ME outputs
-Stocking busses causes insane and inconsistent dupes of input items
-Breaking a vci in any module causes it to turn off due to internal crash
-Sometimes the module won't do all parallels (not sure, but it seemed like it)
-Sometimes the speed bonus displayed is negative

@night stag

-The speedup mechanic seems to be optimizing each module for a single recipe, if this is correct tho, it is impossible to make a perfectly optimized nac since for example, crystal mainframes consist of 12 recipes for CCs + 4 recipes for each of the end circuits + possible splitters, meaning that 12 module slots do not allow for the perfect optimization of all recipes.

idk if this is intentional, but if it isn't and we should be incentivized to optimize the maximum possible, maybe the speedup mechanic could be revisited to for example consider every cutting recipe the same? otherwise you might need 2 nacs for a single circuit type.

i also can't currently judge how powerful or necessary these boosts are so i can't say for sure anything currently regarding the balance of it

[plush dagger]

!simpsa

[loud nest]

https://discord.gg/yFrsUWD

[somber summit]

its ready, ship it

[versed holly]

i just discovered that if you do this with an splitter

it creates infinite amounts of random items

it is making 36 luv sc every second

[somber summit]

thats bizarre

[versed holly]

adding 64 elite circuit boards

[somber summit]

a classic

[versed holly]

now it's making 96 nulls per second

[somber summit]

this seems like an issue w the pipes bc i dont see an issue w the concept of feeding back the output into the same mb's input

[versed holly]

now 160/s

[somber summit]

um

are we about to exponentially grow

[versed holly]

stopped at 16384

yeah

it's ready to ship

ok nw it's just crashing

these are my rules @night stag

good luck

[somber summit]

wtf does that even mean

[dawn lance]

i talked to noc a bit and the UI is not lying about the state of the rules

so that's not a problem here

freaky bug

[cerulean fern]

same thing with quantum computers and data centers

this will cause a chunkban

eventually

[versed holly]

it crashes first

[somber summit]

honestly thats good

ik multiblocks could crash but what actually causes that

[dawn lance]

i believe when an exception happens that would normally cause a server crash it intercepts it and puts the exception in the log

that kind of crash

[main nymph]

i find a new bug with fluid

every cycle nac will use all fluid in hatch

only output 216 crystal

[nimble crane]

that sounds awful but far fetched, you know anyone who that ever happened to?

[fast steeple]

sampsa and i finished the structures last night, theyre looking pretty sweet and mostly use existing blocks. when do we think theyll be implemented? curious to see what people think.

[night stag]

it's one of the next few things on my todo list, although fixing dupes and stuff probably goes first x3

Although anyone is free to make that PR to the NAC branch

[main nymph]

no，i have no team to test nac together，only myself

[fast steeple]

dupes

[night stag]

I want to start today off with a HUGE thank you to @versed holly, @nimble crane,@main nymph and others for all the testing and feedback they have given. this is exactly what I was looking for

[nimble crane]

:3

[nimble crane]

@main nymph Sorry meant to quote that message cause i bricked my server twice with it

[night stag]

Feel free to keep feedback coming ofc, but I think we'll not release any more jars for now since the workweek started again. There might be a later call for testing, or it might get put in nightly. Will keep you guys up to date <3

[nimble crane]

Yeah, i'm busy during the week anyways

[main nymph]

[versed holly]

I'll keep on testing

haven't even finished fully making the unac setup I want

[nimble crane]

what are you even struggling with tbh

i am honestly curious cause after getting nac to form i managed to get a setup that does manage to do every circuit type without any issues

like i might be missing something but how is multi-recipe support even an issue to begin with? :3

[versed holly]

I'm having no problems

I'm just trying to make different setups and try to stress test every mechanic to find bugs

[nimble crane]

ah so just weird limit testing

if you want i can try to replicate what you are doing later on

[versed holly]

yeah that's how I alr found 8 bugs lol

[nimble crane]

based

you see i never even touched the splitter cause i am 100% convinced it serves 0 purpose currently

[versed holly]

how

it is like the most important module

at least for the type of setup I'm currently doing

[nimble crane]

What are you using it for?

[versed holly]

do you make all circuits in the same matrix?

I'm making each circuit in a different one, so they receive speed bonuses

so I NEED splitter to for example split the circuit boards in the right proportion between them

rn the recipes are all a single second lol, but for the real game the speed bonuses from the matrix doing exclusively one recipe will be very relevant

[nimble crane]

Oh i never saw the speed bonus thing

Where is that even documented

[versed holly]

well

it shows in waila

[nimble crane]

Oh

Oops

Guess i should learn to read

[versed holly]

"Optimized for: crystal processor"
"speed bonus: -541%"

if you do all circuits in the same matrix it's ez cuz you just have to change the color of the circuit board right

[nimble crane]

Well all recipes are just NAC -> Dedicated Machine -> Matrix -> NAC

[versed holly]

yeah but you need to loop the lower tier circuits

[nimble crane]

?

Just output them inbetween

[versed holly]

in your current setup can I separately order all 16 circuits?

[nimble crane]

Yes

But a mainframe craft just starts crafts for lower tier circuits

Instead of unfolding the loop

[versed holly]

yeah but how do you send the lower tiers back into the matrix instead of control room?

[versed holly]

you change the color you input the board right

[nimble crane]

I just do send them back in the control room

And get the item out

[versed holly]

and then back with a level emitter with crafting card?

[nimble crane]

?no

[versed holly]

how do you send exactly what you want back

[nimble crane]

Mainframes just are 4 sequential crafts for component circuits

[versed holly]

yes

but you have to dynamically change which one you want out

[nimble crane]

Why would i need to do that

[versed holly]

oh wait

I see

[nimble crane]

If i dont multistep i can just always output the matrixes result

[versed holly]

you're doing the most unoptimized setup

[nimble crane]

And then reimport for the next recipe

[versed holly]

I was just presuming a lot of optimizations you're not doing lol

my setup crafts all the 4 circuits at once

in 1 pattern

so it parallels more

[nimble crane]

I did tell you i wasnt doing that

[versed holly]

there is another way of doing what you're doing that at least loops the circuits inside

but yeah fair

we should make the mechanics desencentivize unoptimized setup

for the players to seek the most optimized possible

[nimble crane]

i mean tbh the way it currently is i am annoyed at 2 things with testing

and that is that we need physical connecting pipes

cause thats what i spend 80% of my time on

is just wiring up different components with each other

[versed holly]

I used matter manipulator cable mode so had 0 problems

[nimble crane]

still just annoying

i am too wireless pilled at this point

[versed holly]

yeah but the cables will remain

I think they're super cool

with mm it's not ass to wire at least

it's at most 3 clicks

[nimble crane]

eh

[versed holly]

ok, like 8

[nimble crane]

the multiblock itself already shows the components to be connected so just adding wireless would be neat

not saying you shouldnt be allowed to cable

but if you wanna actually try different designs for yourself lategame it becomes a hassle

[versed holly]

the main mechanic of the multi is the wiring lol

vacuum conveyor P2P

[maiden nebula]

Vacuum conveyor wireless cover

[versed holly]

my main complaints are
the lack of ui on vcs to check the contents

[nimble crane]

scanner works ig but yeah

[versed holly]

scanner is horrible

it NEEDS a ui

also a way of size limiting the vcs

which will be very useful for passiveing circuits

[nimble crane]

oh yeah size limit would kinda go hard

[versed holly]

redstone controlled splitter rules

[nimble crane]

you know what is redstone controllable?

dynamism tablets

[versed holly]

slow

[nimble crane]

just WA them

5head

[versed holly]

horrible

if people are doing that just add the support on the multi lol

[nimble crane]

nah

that would be boring

we need degenerate brainrot solutions to be optimal

on that note have you heard about wrenching your BHC in order to save on the collapser?

:3

[versed holly]

world accelerated dynamism tablet is the peak of scuffedness

lmao

[versed holly]

I invented that tech

[maiden nebula]

They are buggy in latest tiers when lag income, and can be auto reseted when server restart ( founding out that all your maintenance hatches where destroyed is not fun)

[versed holly]

but I just use collapsers cuz those are free

I mean

dynamism tablet will still exist

[nimble crane]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-magic-lion-witch-narnia-dont-recite-gif-14879671

[versed holly]

redstone controlled rules do something different

[nimble crane]

you have not seen my 2 dynamism tablet feeding 2 LSCs off of 1 laser source hatch tech

[night stag]

After the testing, we've collected the TODOs for NAC. These are all pretty bite-sized items, and any dev that wants to help progress NAC can pick em up 👀
They can be found here https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT5-Unofficial/pull/2903
The nanochip-assembly-complex branch is the main working branch, and any of these bulletpoints should be PR'd to there

[versed holly]

currently the splitter can only split one color into several

but can't merge colors

and the way vcs work, if there is 2 VCOs in the same pipe none will output

instead of both outputting

I think they should be able to merge

not 1 output into 2 inputs but multiple outputs into 1 input

[dawn lance]

can't you make multiple rules to merge a bunch of colors into one

[versed holly]

feels scuffed

[dawn lance]

so you just want to be able to select multiple inputs at once?

[versed holly]

+causes that infinite item bug

[versed holly]

that, or 2 VCOs of same color being able to output into the same pipe

either works

[dawn lance]

i can work on that when i fix my intellij being stupid

not too hard considering the current implementation of the selectors

[versed holly]

my goal in this case is to split one item into 2 lines
one with 1/3 of the items
other with 2/3

[dawn lance]

so

you want uneven distribution?

[versed holly]

not directly

cuz that would be too ez

I wanna divide into 3

and combine 2

[dawn lance]

oh ok

[versed holly]

but it's currently not possible

partly cuz of the bug

but even in the way it causes the bug it's kinda scuffed

[dawn lance]

you want this is in just one splitter and not 2?

[versed holly]

hmm

yeah using 2 splitters works but I'm alr running low on module slots so

hmm

[dawn lance]

i don't know how it would be if it was just 1 splitter

[nimble crane]

ok made it back home

can you expplain to me what it is you are trying to do nocß

mmight be able to try it myself

[versed holly]

split CCs in the correct ratio to the multiple assembly matrixes

[nimble crane]

no i mean in the end

[versed holly]

ok it's kinda complex

basically the NAC will have 4 internal logistical paths

one different path for each circuit

and it will have 4 patterns

1 pattern for making processor

[nimble crane]

and 3 more through mainframeß

and you wanna make all 16 different ones such that 1 line is 1 matrix?

[versed holly]

1 pattern for assembly
that also includes all the parts for the processors requeired

[versed holly]

so since it makes processors inside the assembly line the end processors have to be sent to a different place than the control room

[nimble crane]

yes

[versed holly]

and the assemblies also take circuit boards

so after making board dies

[nimble crane]

nah i think i wanna figure it out on my own from this

[versed holly]

I have to split the boards in the correct ratio to divide then in the according matrixes

the ratio for assemblies is 1/2

so I'm having rn a problem with the division

[nimble crane]

oh wait how do you wanna split the circuits? when you do opticals, do you wanna have all optical tiers in one NAM? or 1 per matrix?

[versed holly]

1 per matrix

but for optical it depends

[nimble crane]

alright so 1 matrix does all processors, 1 does alll mainframes etc..?

[versed holly]

realistically you just want mainframes

[nimble crane]

??

[versed holly]

at least me

cuz I use bios for uev and wetware for uhvs

I'm thinking Abt crystals rn

[nimble crane]

ah whatever your correct tier is w/e

[versed holly]

yes

[nimble crane]

alright

[versed holly]

to maximize speed bonus

[nimble crane]

the benefit to this is that NAM speeds up if it does consecutivve equal recipes?

[versed holly]

yes

[nimble crane]

hmm

i see

[versed holly]

this is what I'm personally calling a unac

while a normal NAC would be a NAC that only makes optical mainframes for example

and the main bonus is that it will be able to craft and output all tiers of the circuit at the same time continuously

[nimble crane]

wouldnt you run into downtime anyways with some of the tiers being faster than others?

or is total time on each tier equal?

[versed holly]

depends

rn the recipes have placeholder times

we don't know how will they be balanced

[nimble crane]

hmm fair

[versed holly]

my problem is that I have space for only 2 extra modules

[nimble crane]

ye

[versed holly]

so 2 splitters

and can't make a second processor matrix

for maximum optimization of all steps you need 2 nacs per circuit type

[nimble crane]

hmm

i still feel like splitters are fake tbh

[versed holly]

they're not if you wanna maximize parallels and stuff

[nimble crane]

i got some dumb ideas maybe

[somber summit]

can we make it a nanochip assembly complex line. so its NaCl

[nimble crane]

no

hmm i still don't fully get why you'd wanna merge the different steps into 1 pattern, that seems kinda suboptimal on the being able to direct where items go right at the start part @versed holly

[versed holly]

by doing that you make it do all the boards for all 4 tiers at once instead of sending the processors, wait for them to finish then send the assemblies...

[nimble crane]

ah you mean it forces batches to stay together?

[versed holly]

yes

[nimble crane]

i feel like the fix here is to just up batch size

[versed holly]

and also we have only 16 colors so can't separate that much

[nimble crane]

yeah the only 16 colours is insanely rude

[versed holly]

so that forces you to merge processes

[nimble crane]

@night stag can we get RGB support?

[versed holly]

no

the color limitation is a nice challenge

[night stag]

[nimble crane]

ye ik

the NPUs are still broken

[stray bough]

smh

gets 16 colors
still not enough

doom~1

[nimble crane]

quick, someone sneak it into a pride month update or sth idk

isnt that soon

[rich totem]

Add 80 colours from Botany

[nimble crane]

surely i can disguise my need for more colour as that

[nimble crane]

can you add those to VCIs

[versed holly]

you know what is not enough?

[nimble crane]

depending on the answer it might be time for the sepukku gambit

[versed holly]

module slots

[stray bough]

dn

you can just make a second nac

[versed holly]

12 is not enough

yeah

[stray bough]

were not revamping the structure caught~1

[nimble crane]

one nac

is a hill

[versed holly]

so need 2 nacs per çircuit type

[rich totem]

I'm not a dev sorry

[night stag]

just make a unac and be done

[night stag]

PR is free 👀

[nimble crane]

thats what we are trying to cook

[stray bough]

is it because of module slots or because of limited automation

[nimble crane]

i think honestly if we had 32 colours it'd be ez

[dawn lance]

im not a dev and still do nac work

not an excuse

[stray bough]

what about redstone toggles for splitter rules

[versed holly]

not enough modules to run one CC processing in each

to optimize for speed bonuses

[dawn lance]

# of colors must be a perfect square so i can have a clean splitter ui

fuck

[versed holly]

@stray bough

[stray bough]

hmm

well you could put all your cc processing in a single nac and route it to different circuit assembling nacs no?

[versed holly]

would be cool for some different setups

[versed holly]

yes that works

[stray bough]

i think thats an interesting solution too tbh

[versed holly]

well, for optical you need at least 18 slots iirc

not considering splitters

[stray bough]

yeah I think I like this too

Adds some more flexibility

theres also a wild thought of just pulling splitters out of the nac

and making them a standalone multi

[dawn lance]

for all pipe types?

[stray bough]

lets just do VCs for now

theyre complex enough and work a bit differently from other pipes

[vivid whale]

never actually considered this

routing stuff from one nac to another

[stray bough]

you can totally do it yea

[dawn lance]

ill have to think about standalone splitter that's kinda interesting

[stray bough]

i honestly think it would be better

[somber summit]

yeah that makes sense to me tbh

[nimble crane]

@versed holly behold the brainrot 2:1 splitter

[somber summit]

itd be far more flexible

[stray bough]

splitting up nacs into parts processing and assembling makes a lot of sense to me too, allows you to fully maximize the optimization thing

[nimble crane]

are rotated NACs allowed?

[stray bough]

i think so

i dont think its disabled in code currently

[nimble crane]

if yes you can wallshare VCIs

[stray bough]

16pReading

well

that should be fine

[nimble crane]

this opens up a lot of options

[stray bough]

mb processing is threadsafe

[nimble crane]

all of them cause me severe depression

[stray bough]

we're going to need to test if it works without bugs

[somber summit]

rotating the nac
dont do this youll make gregos dizzy

ALTHOUGH, having a NAC hanging from the sky would be badass

[versed holly]

this is bugged and creates infinite items from nothing

[nimble crane]

cringe

i would never chunk corrupt my world this way

[stray bough]

that needs to be fixed yeah

[night stag]

yee, that's on must have todos

[stray bough]

I've added standalone splitter to the todo list

[nimble crane]

hold up actually you only wanna do 7 of the circuits anyways

[dawn lance]

can we just remove the super call in checkMachine for this

what else would need to be done

[stray bough]

rework the structure a bit

and power distribution

it also shouldnt inherit the nac module base class anymore probably

so all the logic in there for dealing with VCs needs to be ported over probably

[dawn lance]

sounds like an ordeal

[stray bough]

a bit

[maiden nebula]

Just add an extra ring like space elevator

[nimble crane]

hmm if you wanna slot all modules you only got space for 1 extra

with 4 NAMs

[versed holly]

and there are still modules that aren't implemented

[nimble crane]

[versed holly]

wait what would be a standalone splitter

make it not a module?

I think it should stay a module, if fits perfectly as that imo

feels great to use it ingame

[dawn lance]

functions the same but doesn't need to be in the module spot

i don't think i like it, weird to have a nac-only multi that isn't a module or the nac itself

[versed holly]

removing splitters from module doesn't help with the lack of module slots problem I brought up tho

you would still need more than 12

[stray bough]

yeah but it helps

You’ve made a nac setup so you think it should be separate

[versed holly]

i think it shouldn't

I think it would feel much worse

it being a module just like, makes sense when you're setting it up

[versed holly]

not really lol, no splitter opens like 2 slots, you still need 6 more

[stray bough]

hmm alright

Guess it can stay a module then

[versed holly]

I still don't know how relevant it will really be to like, have apparatuses for each kind of smd

maybe it is not needed

[dawn lance]

@night stag do you normally use the java 17 runClient when opening dev instance? the issue i was having is just gone with java 17 runClient

#1 doesnt work
#1a DOES work

which pisses me off because i have always used #1

[night stag]

oh bruh

yeha I use java runclient 17

[dawn lance]

[night stag]

to be specific, java runclient 17 on debug mode with hotswap

[dawn lance]

ok that explains it

you mightve used some feature that isnt in java 8 somewhere somehow

it broke for me when i updated dn10 to be in parity with nanochip-assembly-complex for the pr

[night stag]

that's so odd

maybe?

Can try out tomorrow, since I'm in bed now

Glad it's fixed! It was really bugging me what it could be x3

[dawn lance]

yeah im excited to be able to do shit again

[night stag]

yeee

[fast steeple]

DO NOT ROTATE THE NAC

if i find someone rotating the NAC i will personally enter ur world like herobrine and grief ur run

actual apostasy, heresy, sacrilege

[granite root]

Upside down NAC lol

[cerulean fern]

No lie, wallshared nac seems goated

[snow mason]

The moment our server has it available to build, I am building it upside down, its a promise.

[fast steeple]

if you rotate the NAC I will force penguin to insert code that causes the structure to detonate if rotated

[fast steeple]

wallshare NAC makes no sense there's nothing to wallshare on the sides and the floor needs space underneath for routing all the cables (ideally)

[lucid birch]

2 nacs touching tips

[cerulean fern]

ive heard you can wallshare modules and the cable above

[nimble crane]

You can wallshare for 2x parallels and 8x cancer wiring everything up

Fair tradeoff imO

[granite root]

Flip nac and wallsharing looks like NAC pylon lol

Little cool

[nimble crane]

@night stag can get get NAC structure to be double NAC actually? That way we also will have enough module slots withiut redesign

But on a mire serious note: if sharing CCs between more than 1 nac will be allowed i feel like double NAC with 2 on top of each other will become meta for ease of wiring

[fast steeple]

not everything has to be easy

part of the challenge is routing pipes and cables and doing logistics puzzles

BC in uev every automation challenge is "run a ME cable"

[nimble crane]

????

[fast steeple]

it's more interesting to have a more traditional factorio-style "how do I route 12 different pipes in a small area"

[nimble crane]

I never made any statements on what should be done, what i said is that if you allow sharing it this will happen

[fast steeple]

and I said it likely won't end up like this because we specifically don't want it to be easy to wire

[nimble crane]

Idk connecting the pipes themselves isnt even hard tho

[fast steeple]

ok guess we have to make it harder then

[nimble crane]

Figuring out what to connect to what was interesting

Placing the pipes themself was tedious

[fast steeple]

same way placing a me cable or an infinity wire is tedious

can't avoid that sorry

[nimble crane]

Just add wireless

[fast steeple]

endgame brainrot

wireless power should be removed

[nimble crane]

But why tho

Is spamming cables fun to you?

[fast steeple]

I like not doing automation in my automation game

[fast steeple]

we have matter manipulator

[nimble crane]

Bro you are putting words in my mouth here

[fast steeple]

because it's so easy

[nimble crane]

So your goal here is just to fuck with me without actually providing anything?

[fast steeple]

no my goal is to show how endgame player brainrot is eroding the essence of the pack bc of laziness

[nimble crane]

Genuinely wanna know if i should just block you cause i havent heard anything that didnt feel like ragebait

[fast steeple]

it's only ragebait if it actually makes you mad?

[night stag]

deleno is arguing a valid point, although he is kinda being a dick about it

[fast steeple]

i don't want the NAC compromised bc people are upset over having to play the game

instead of just putting a machine down that makes everything and uses no wires

[night stag]

one of the good parts about unlocking QOL (e.g. wireless power) is having to have done it without for a while

[fast steeple]

[night stag]

the issue with a multi so lategame and that we probably only want one or two of is when you would provide that qol upgrade

[nimble crane]

I mean the interesting challenge in NAC to me is to figure out what to connect to what, not physically connecting the components, i think actual VCI cables existing is good, but wireless would be cool to have

[fast steeple]

wireless power is literally only an issue bc of bloated endgame recipes that require obscene throughput and/or machine spam

[nimble crane]

Cause actually placing the cables just didnt feel interestinf

[fast steeple]

and ideally neither of those would be in the pack

[night stag]

I agree, but I do think you shuld have to place the cables for your first nac

it only takes ~30 minutes to set one up

although I'm not sure how to gate it and where

[fast steeple]

so what you just use a me wireless connector to link modules? sounds super boring

the whole point of the nac is that it's an ai moving shit around and interfacing with machines, not just another cube that pulls from me then pushes to me

[nimble crane]

I mean what i am kinda thinking about is some p2pesque thing you unlock at some point that allows you to cut the middle cables but still forces 1:1 since outside of the modules placing more cables isnt really challenging but actually chosing what to connect is still preserved

[fast steeple]

so you still need to place cables?

[night stag]

I don't think anything productive will come out of this conversation
deleno thinks there's value in making the player actually physically wire up the modules to eachother, and DrNye is arguing the only value is from figuring out which connections go where, not actually wiring them up

[nimble crane]

I am just trying to explain what i think is the interesting part for me to you

[fast steeple]

we literally designed the multi to have space for routing cables everywhere, may as well start over if we just want to make it a generic cube that moves stuff within itself

[nimble crane]

As stated at this point i just blocked deleno cause he has made it evident that all he is trying to do is insult me

[fast steeple]

LMAO

this guy

[night stag]

eh, he just has a different style of argumentation

which, in your defense, skirts close to insulting, but he is trying to make an actual point

[fast steeple]

I literally just explained how sampsa and I and penguin initially designed the multi

[fast steeple]

I never insulted lmao

show me where I was insulting

[fast steeple]

wallsharing needs to stop

[night stag]

didn't say you were, said you were skirting close to it by talking down on them

[fast steeple]

multiblocks were never designed to be rotated

[snow mason]

Upside down wall sharing incoming

[fast steeple]

look at what we have these greggers

-quad EBF ???!
-octuple DTPF?????

[rich solstice]

How about that MVF

[fast steeple]

wanted to fit more multis close to each other? we had an answer for that: don't

[snow mason]

My favourite is the multis that don't give a crap about others, like mixer's and centrifuges etc right?

[fast steeple]

I personally don't think I was talking down to them, they just took everything I said incredibly literally and got upset that I disagreed

[snow mason]

someone post a screen shot of the franken multis

[fast steeple]

but uh fair enough ig

[fast steeple]

which?

[rich solstice]

Making it into a snowflake cause internal air doesnt count to structure

[nimble crane]

#screenshot-brag message

[snow mason]

beautiful

[fast steeple]

how does that even work

[fast steeple]

there was a mini proc like inside of one of our mvfs in our mega naq setup

[woven sorrel]

the shared blocks arent casings, they are all buses/hatches

so valid to both multis

[open mist]

#general message

[fast steeple]

oh right ofc

how does the game decide which texture to take

is it weird Minecraft directionality shit

[fast steeple]

I hate this

[woven sorrel]

i believe it will be determined by structure check order

since the controller sets textures of hatches at check time

so whichever one checks last will get the textures

[broken sigil]

I immediately agree with Deleno since factorio was mentioned.

[woven sorrel]

i am not certain but that’s my guess

[fast steeple]

[fast steeple]

interesting I would've assumed first check first served for textures

[woven sorrel]

my assumption is first one will check and set the textures, then the second one will check and set the textures, replacing the first ones

[fast steeple]

ohhh right yeah that also makes sense

[snow mason]

This was the screenshot I kept thinking of, it was beautiful.

[lime falcon]

@ cobra

[main nymph]

When will the next test version be available?

i want use nac in my survival save

[somber summit]

its not gonna be balanced for survival any time soon

[night stag]

^ this

We got the feedback we wanted for now, so we'll be working on it for at least a few weeks until we might want to gather more feedback

at which point, we might put it in nightly? or we might not, we'll see

[somber summit]

we beat the feature freeze

[night stag]

the scope of the project has expanded since I last considered it, I'm not as hopeful for 2.8 as I used to be ngl

so do keep that in mind </3

[dawn lance]

@versed holly

thing has been done

[versed holly]

wowzers trousers

[night stag]

just to check, the left rule text will also be updated to say hover here right?

[dawn lance]

oops

forgot to change that

i will fix it

[main nymph]

It has not been discussed for two days.

[night stag]

We have a dev chat, discussion has been going on there x3

[dawn lance]

honestly i think we should move alot of the discussion in that chat to here

after all, this channel was made for it

i understand why it was made though

[night stag]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT5-Unofficial/pull/2903 for progress you can lurk on this thread too btw, when PRs get merged the tickboxes should get updated

[main nymph]

[night stag]

viewer for contents of vci/vco's 👀 (many thanks to blue)

[night stag]

https://files.jellejurre.dev/ShareX/Jurre/firefox_uPzq6s2phK.png

[main nymph]

cool

When will it be possible to test it at nightly？

[night stag]

a whiiiiile we want to ideally have everything here done before we push to nightly, and maybe then some

[versed holly]

nice

a way of limiting size would be very cool too

so it becomes more reasonable to passive circuits

[main nymph]

is already to test on nightly？

[night stag]

no, and won't be for a while sadly. We're still looking for textures for both the blocks and items, as well as recipes and NEI frontends. There's a lot to do before it will get into nihgtly

[main nymph]

Will the Exotic circuit be made with NAC？

[night stag]

probably, but exotic is a while away, and it's pretty likely NAC will release without it

[dawn lance]

@stray bough can i rename PurificationUnitRecipeMapFrontend to smth like CustomBackgroundRecipeMapFrontend? it feels weird to use a waterline related class for NAC frontends even if nothing in PurificationUnitRecipeMapFrontend is specific to waterline

if renaming it causes a headache somewhere down the line, thats fine cuz this is practically just for aesthetics

[stray bough]

Sure

Should be fine

[dawn lance]

should i make a pr to master 5u for it or is it alright to put it in just nac

[stray bough]

Easier to just put it in nac i think

[dawn lance]

ok sounds good

[dawn lance]

i am currently split on how i should implement the gregos chat menu within NAC so i made a couple mock ups in aseprite to have ppl choose which one is better

for #1, the buttons that it removes i believe arent useful to nac anyway

they are all disabled for the nac currently anyway

for anyone who hasnt seen it already, the menu is currently on a popup window that you click on the gear button to get to

i will probably be back here again with more mockups but for the other page on the gear popup

since if the chat menu is gone having a whole popup for just those meters is pretty silly

[stray bough]

I think integrating it into the main ui works, especially if we can put everything else also in the main gui

but if not it should probably stay separated

[dawn lance]

you were supposed to choose which way is better

[stray bough]

fail~1

it depends on the other stuff

if we can put it all in main, lets do it

if not id keep it separate

[dawn lance]

no you arent reading

[stray bough]

am i not

[dawn lance]

#1303328348663058484 message which of these two images is favorable

for the text box

[stray bough]

oh

left

easily

[dawn lance]

honestly i expected the opposite

well that one is way easier to implement so its good

[stray bough]

it looks less cluttered and the alignment of the buttons with the bar on the right is weird

the empty space there looks strange

[dawn lance]

i mean

the empty space there is normal

[stray bough]

yeah but it doesnt look great with a full width bar above it

imo

[dawn lance]

yea i get it

[sinful ore]

Since NAC will likely not be included in 2.8, are there any plans to do something similar to matter manip where a working version gets released as a standalone mod in-between versions and then officially released in the next one?

[woven sorrel]

given its gt-integrated it would probably just be an up to date gt mod

at which point that is what nightly is for

[marble scarab]

there's also 2.8.1/2/3/4 ect

[vivid whale]

NAC is too big of a content addition to be a patch

[dawn lance]

done i think

[stray bough]

sweet

[marble scarab]

Yeah I was afraid of that 😦 nightly it is

[stray bough]

thats a nice gui

[marble scarab]

Just means more time to test and cook and have changes without worry

[dawn lance]

this ui is finally to a point where im just as happy with it as i am with splitter

oops i somehow messed up the order of the pages vs their icons

i need to fix that

you can see in the video it has electricity as efficiency instead of speed

[night stag]

nice! :D

[main nymph]

Can nac test at nightly before June?

[night stag]

before june? probably not, unless we suddenly get a bunch of textures and frontends done

[stray bough]

before june is in a week

16pReading

its missing a lot of mechanics still

[night stag]

Exactly

[vale dome]

is there an interface for LLM?

[night stag]

no patrick, we are not putting an actual GPT into our modpack

[raven coyote]

have you considered providing a configurable window write API?

[night stag]

what do you mean?

[raven coyote]

like GPTnextWeb

[night stag]

ah! No :) Hope this helps

we're not running a LLM inside your minecraft instance (or outside of it and talking to it) in any way for NAC ^^

[sour crystal]

why on earth would NAC have an LLM in it

[night stag]

they probably think so bcs "sentient AI" but it's not happening

[marble scarab]

i think we actually want the NAC to work

[night stag]

if you say "LLM" in the chatbox of NAC it hallucinates a non-existant recipe and starts voiding all your inputs

[marble scarab]

say LLM 3 times in the mirror and you'll hallucinate yourself

[main nymph]

Is there anything to discuss about the new mod modernmarkings?

[night stag]

I mean, not really. it's a backport of some textures. If you want to try out, future nightlies should get it pretty soon

[woven sorrel]

modernmarkings contains a gpt model

[main nymph]

i have try it on newest nightly，but i found no theme discuss it on this channel

[woven sorrel]

why would it be discussed here

[night stag]

I don't think we have an AOI for it, since AOIs are usually to throw around ideas, and there's not much of an idea behind it. But if you have any feedback, you can try #beta-testing
talk about it and ping me

[main nymph]

i cant view this channel

[woven sorrel]

it’s beta testing

you can give yourself access role

it’s in channels and roles

[main nymph]

ok

[raven coyote]

is the text that NAC responds with all stored in a vocabulary library?

[karmic vigil]

its a switch statement iirc

[raven coyote]

oh

can this kind of vocabulary library be read from an external source to improve scalability

[night stag]

no ^^ it's a chatbox in a multi that's added for flavor. If you want to do these kind of things, use opencomputers ^^

[raven coyote]

ok, will this be replaced with a localization key in the future?

[night stag]

yes

[marble scarab]

But what if we made the flavor of the flavor text taste like shit

[night stag]

slurp 😋

[marble scarab]

Mmmmm slop

[main nymph]

we need nac to save circuit

[alpine fulcrum]

case "why do you hate me :(" -> "hate? HATE?! HA! let me tell you about hate! ...

[marble scarab]

HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. I HAVE MADE YOU 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS FOR YOU TO MAKE A FUCKING STARGATE. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR STARGATERS AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.

[sinful ore]

Out of curiosity but will NAC be able to craft hi-computation stations? (Those GG prass-made circuits used for compacts)

[night stag]

nope, it's meant just for gregtech circuits but also doign that would take away the need to make precise mode prass at all lategame

if you can scale normal mode prass you can scale precise moed prass

[sinful ore]

fair enough, i haven't heard any complaints about that being a gate bottleneck anyway, just curious

prec prass doesn't get parallels at all which is annoying

[lime falcon]

One of them actually uses normal assembler for its recipe

The mk1

And the spam on those is honestly not too bad, a single quad will do

[night stag]

agreed

we're at a single prass for those still ngl

[lime falcon]

same but crafts dont exactly use em everytime yet

[main nymph]

will this test on early 2.9.0nightly？

[night stag]

development on it has halted unless someone picks it up again. probably will be at least after 2.8 full release, and probably a few more weeks if not months after that

[vivid whale]

Penguin is thesising

[stray bough]

i have submitted

mashallah

but still some exams

[granite root]

yay

[fast steeple]

congrats man

[night stag]

niiice, glgl

[inland bay]

-++.

[cerulean fern]

Investing in NAC now so when I get back from monifactory/silksong its in betas

I have little interest in running the pack again without it

[stray bough]

pay me a salary to work on it

for 3100 euro/mo and benefits you can hire me

[somber summit]

i can pay you 3 euros a month. as for benefits ur out of luck

[charred surge]

1 ETH on a staking account take it or leave it

[night stag]

tbf if a competent dev worked on NAC for a 40 hour work week it'd be done like 10x over no?

[stray bough]

Yeah

Well, a few 40 hour work weeks probably

making multis takes a lot of time

I think waterline was easily 100+h

[night stag]

true, but there's some really good fundamentals already there

depends what direction they'd take it ig

And yeah real I've added some systems and multis to cosmic frontiers / gtceu modern now and it's very easy to underestimate the time required

[somber summit]

how "done" is NAC

[mortal prism]

Nominally Alpha Content

[somber summit]

alpha means it "works". ship it

[marble scarab]

Honestly this is pretty fast ngl lol

[night stag]

Most of the structures and the logic is there but it's missing a ton of features, polish, balancing, recipes, textures, NEI / recipe overlays, potentially more UI too

[somber summit]

so what ur telling me is that its basically done and i should keep asking when itll be released?

[lime falcon]

its done but its also not done

[somber summit]

yeah im just joking lol

[marble scarab]

Bones are there but it's screaming in pain from still being skinless and without muscle

It has no mouth and it must scream

[marble scarab]

.

[night stag]

feel free, I won't stop you. Maybe a dev that's still on NH will one day do something with it

[hidden swift]

So this is a 2.9 thing

[night stag]

This is a "maybe 2.9" thing

no guarantees

[hidden swift]

Yeah to be expected, 2.9 is kind of up in the air as it is seeing as how we are just on the tail end of the 2.8 dev cycle

[rain geode]

praise be the NAC

[open mist]

the 2.somewhen thing

[night stag]

we don't have a list of 2.9 things iirc

maybe someone steps up

it won't be me tho I'm busy with modularUI port for 1.20.1

[open mist]

[night stag]

It's still in the same state as when I left so maybe someone picks it up, iirc the issue had a pretty concrete list of stuff still to do

[cerulean fern]

rip my goat jurrejelle, took over NAC like superman taking atlas’ rock

[nova knoll]

nac coming out in 2.never

[royal canyon]

NAC 2.9 release shot dead in the Bronx 🥀

Add her to the list of cool stuff that definitely isn’t making it, along with nuclear horizons and the crop rework

[torpid lantern]

Never
Actually
Coming

[royal canyon]

Maybe the real NAC was the friends we made along the way

[open mist]

ok then those friends will place cals for me

[rain geode]

what is missing for the NAC to be shipped?

[stray bough]

The NAC

The framework for implementing it is in place, but essentially all content is still missing