help with sculpting out a metal guitar tone

[candid radish]

can somebody help me tweak a metal guitar tone

i got this for now

not sure where to go with it now, also not sure if im in the same key as the bass since the backing track is an old file

should i get a more 'metal-y' backing track? this one was branded as one so idk

[shrewd swallow]

what are you using for said tone ?

[candid radish]

zoom g5n (mainly noise gate and golddrive), katana g3 100w on the lead setting, but mostly using it for eq and reaper for recording

[shrewd swallow]

why not just use the katana ? ... it has so much potential and you basically don't use it

and how are the EQ settings ? it feels like you have way too much top end

[candid radish]

i thought it would be neat to gainstage using the zoom g5n so i can control how much gain there is

[shrewd swallow]

for more of a classic rock or heavy metal it sounds sort of okay

[candid radish]

everything is at 50

[candid radish]

yea right now i draw lots of inspiration from iron maiden so thats great to hear

but if i want it just a little bit heavier what should i change?

[floral coral]

boost with a pedal, don't use the drive

[shrewd swallow]

drive is fine ... if it's set up as a boost

[shrewd swallow]

other amp model.. different speaker sim

[candid radish]

wdym speaker sim

[shrewd swallow]

the katana has some sort of speaker/cab emulation right ?

[floral coral]

yeh

[floral coral]

use the lead channel and the gain at 7, bass at 7, mids at 7, treble at 10, also use channel 2

[candid radish]

yea but if thats the speaker sim then what is the amp model

[floral coral]

no the amp model is the lead chanel

do u use the app for the katana

[candid radish]

yea

[floral coral]

do u have like a picture?

[candid radish]

pretty standard i know

[stray kernel]

Dude the katana + g5n is a good start wth

i think you're gonna have to mess around with the amp first before applying the multi effect, since you're gonna use the katana's amp sim. Or completely bypass the amp itself (idk if its possible with the katana) if you wanted to use the g5n entirely

[stray kernel]

For me i think i would start with the gain around 4-6, low 5, mid 6.5, high, 4. Presence around 6. (Leaning for a not too bright sounding).

It would probably sound slightly thin but you're going to boost it with effects and some eq-ing

[candid radish]

yea i just tweaked the eq on the katana, havent really done much else

and tweaked the gain on it and on the g5n

sounds pretty decent for a tone with everything set at noon

[stray kernel]

lol yeah its a good amp paired with a good digital effect

[candid radish]

i think im aiming more towards using the eq only for surgical stuff and tweaking the rest with the knobs

since i want it as a versatile base tone to use while playing with my bandmates

[stray kernel]

Do you want it more trashy or in the middle?

[candid radish]

wdym by trashy

[stray kernel]

Like bright stuff

Like the tone you share, there's alot of high there

[candid radish]

i mean its at 50

[stray kernel]

oh, so it's just how the katana lead sound then

[candid radish]

ahh you mean in the recording

[stray kernel]

Yeahh

[candid radish]

it could be a little bit from the g5n

i could reduce the treble on the boost there

its at 56

[stray kernel]

Yeah. It needed more mids and lows. Also mess around with the presence, see if you prefer bright sounding or less

[hushed geyser]

You’re playing southern rock riffs bro

[candid radish]

lol yea in the recording it does sound like it

it was just a one take thing

[candid radish]

how does the melodic metal tone sound good with distortion

im trying to play something more melodic with distortion on but i feel like there should be less distortion

and when i turn it down nothing really changes

i still get that buzzing

[candid radish]

after playing around for a little bit i made this tone, would you change it in any way?

excuse the sloppy playing

[wary robin]

dial back treble a bit and add some mids

[candid radish]

is it normal that the distortion seems a bit harsh now that ive added mids in

[wary robin]

don't overdo it

usually you need much less treble than you think

[candid radish]

and what about the mids

if i increase them by just 15 it starts getting muddy

[narrow hazel]

this is scratch city

[candid radish]

what does that mean

[narrow hazel]

that it has a very nasty grindy topend that is not pleasant

[candid radish]

ok how do i fix it

[narrow hazel]

roll back the treble but add a little presence

and add a boost, this already rolls of some top end and lowend

[candid radish]

what boost? isnt boost only od?

[narrow hazel]

you can use an overdrive as a clean boost, it pushes the amp a bit but also acts like a filter

you dial back the drive to 0 , dime the level

[wary robin]

when set as a boost, an overdrive boosts 5-10db of all the frequencies 600-2,5k hz. those are the frequencies that push clarity and definition .

[candid radish]

how do i make my guitar tone sound clearer

is it the muds that are the problem

[wary robin]

what's your setup from start to finish

[candid radish]

HB CST-24T -> zoom g5n -> boss katana 100W gen3 (using the boss tone studio)

[wary robin]

are you recording your tone in the room or through the software?

[candid radish]

im using reaper

[wary robin]

use an ir

[candid radish]

whats an ir

[wary robin]

"Impulse response"
When you're playing through an amp, you hear the sound from the speaker
When you're recording directly through the software, if you don't have an ir, it's like you're playing through the amp without the changes of the amp.
An IR is necessary to avoid extremely fizzy sound.
https://youtu.be/0LtIemny94k

[candid radish]

i thought the katana had something like that

microphone emulation or is that different

[wary robin]

it is that, yes

[candid radish]

well then i shouldnt have problems with that

im trying to recreate the tone from Spiral Dreams - Coroner but theirs is somehow really clear

i havent yet used a parametric eq for this tone maybe its from that

[candid radish]

my tone sounds so farty wtf

i tweak it for a while and think yea this sounds kind of like the song then i play the song and its nowhere close

one sounds like wet farts and the other like good metal guitar

[wary robin]

best thing you can do is edit your tone with the song playing in the background