Struggling to pick the right model for my genres

[velvet valley]

I'm kind of a newbie if it comes to gear so i came here. I really wanna mix up some genres (Polyphia styled riffs+Djent/Thall) and can't figure out which guitar should i buy.
For the record, i prefer 6 string guitars and really dig the aesthetic of Polyphia (e.g. TOD10). I was thinking of getting either an Ibanez JEMJR or ICHI10. If any of ya'll got better recommendations, i would be thankful if you let me know about your opinion. Thanks c:
(btw my budget is around a 1000$)

[snow helm]

djent and thall on a 6 string

is generally considered "not going to work well"

[night fossil]

Ibanez RG550 or Charvel DK24 if you want something more like the AZ models Tim and Scott have right now

Charvel (left), Tim's new sig model (right)

[ionic gazelle]

bro i thought that they were thr same fpr a sec

[ionic gazelle]

also on the charvel, what is that little silver switch

[night fossil]

to switch between parallel and series on the pickups

[ionic gazelle]

what the flip does that mean lol

[night fossil]

series is how most humbuckers are wired, parallel separates the two coils so both pickups in the humbucker are sent through the output

@jovial snow can prob explain better if he sees this

[jovial snow]

r u a newbie when it comes to guitar as a whole

cus djent and thall regularly use 8 strings for a reason

that low tuning and scale length

ur not gonna mix polyphia shit which is almost all in E standard with another genre that’s essentially an octave lower in tuning, on the same guitar

jemjr sucks, and i dont see why the ichi10 is even considered here

if i were you, id just get a good 6 string for $1000 and save up later for some shit for thall if need be

or get a 7 string with a long enough length on the low side

[velvet valley]

i know that, i mainly use virtual drop pedals to achieve these tunings

[velvet valley]

woah, those two are nearly identical

it's a shame that it doesn't have a simillar inlay

[velvet valley]

ik the ichi10 is a single coil so it doesn't fit here but why does the JEMJR suck?

[velvet valley]

i know that it doesn't sound as good as a real 7/8 string+ i'd have to get thicker string gauges

[velvet valley]

i regret that i didn't explain this earlier cuz it looks like i'm an idiot

i actually mean that the guitar needs a lot of clarity in it's sound

+that charvel that someone sent COULD be my final pick

[night fossil]

the jem jr sucks bc the tremolo is made of zinc which is really soft and eventually you won't be able to return to pitch

i would pick the charvel too tbh

[velvet valley]

i mean, people say that it's good

maybe it's bad when you can compare it to much better gear

which costs a lot more

but is it bad for the price?

[velvet valley]

@jovial snow hope u understand 😭

[wind urchin]

But it isn’t good

[wind urchin]

No it’s terrible for the price

[velvet valley]

yo, but why?

[velvet gate]

material choice isn’t good for what it’s designed to do

[velvet valley]

but just like wood on the body or overall

i think most guitars in this price range have similar specs

[velvet gate]

the trem is the issue here

zinc alloy is soft, soft materials are not meant to continuously rub against metal under tension

which is what occurs with use of the tremolo

[night fossil]

i'm sure most customers don't update their review when the trem stops staying in tune

anecdotally i have a family member who owns an ibanez with the same trem and he decided to block it since it wouldn't stay in tune

[velvet valley]

i mean, my friend has a much cheaper ibanez, abuses tf out of the trem and it doesn't go out of tune that easily

i myself wouldn't use the trem that much so i don't think it would be a problem

[night fossil]

but if your budget goes up to $1000 why not just get the charvel?

or the rg550

[velvet valley]

yk, getting a cheaper one is nice!

but i think i'll stick to the charvel

[wind urchin]

I get that you might wanna get best value for money, but most of the time the only way you’re gonna do that is by paying more… which sounds silly but you really do notice the difference. The charvel (it’s depending on what you like) will probably have better pickups, quality control and therefore feel better than something cheaper. This is even without mentioning the tremolo. I know other people have explained but when you have a trem made out of soft metal alloys, they don’t hold tuning as well meaning you’re gonna be out of tune way more often with the Ibanez because the metal used on the fr1000 is just better. Fr1000s are used for models almost double the price, since they’re one of the closest things you can get to the OFR.

If you want a good deal try second hand. I found a limited edition Matt heafy guitar £500 near me in mint condition the other day - it’s just a matter of looking around

[snow helm]

transpose one whole octave down??? does it even sound good

also you literally miss out on the high strings doing transpose with a 6string

save a bit for a cheaper 8 string later

used dillion/jackson 8s are like 150-200 and replace pickups for another 100

[velvet valley]

i think it sounds pretty decent, if i changed the string gauge then maybe i could get it to sound like an actual 7/8 string

but getting a baritone may be a better option

[snow helm]

😭 youre still gonna miss 1/2 strings

you just get to choose what strings to miss

and for technical stuff like polyphia you NEED all standard strings at least

[velvet valley]

yeah but in djent you basically need one😭

or two

[snow helm]

contrary to popular belief djent isnt 00000000

[velvet valley]

so getting a whole 8 string just to confuse myself and not using the rest of the fretboard when i switch to djent

[snow helm]

especially thall where the entire catch is low strings -> high erratic notes -> repeat

[velvet valley]

yeah, that could work with a transposed 6 string/baritone guitar

[snow helm]

it takes like 10 minutes to understand a 8 string fretboard after switching from a 6

[snow helm]

this also comes with the issue of low scale length

itll sound absolutely muddy

[velvet valley]

people are playing djent on baritone jazzmaster squiers

sooooo idk

[snow helm]

loathe yes

[velvet valley]

and 8 strings are even more expensive

[snow helm]

more expensive than 6s yes but you can def get things for under 1k

[velvet valley]

i guess so

[jovial snow]

the tremolo sucks dick

and its mediocre all around

ur paying extra for the looks

its not actually in the same tier as other 500 dollar ibanezes

if i werre u, just get a Charvel or a Vola or something, 24 frets, tremolo

[velvet valley]

if i could ask, what guitars do you have? (what price range to be exact)

[jovial snow]

ive owned around 30+ guitars

rn my rack is like 7

[velvet valley]

i mean, you're probably used to way more expensive gear

[jovial snow]

not rlly

i build a lot of my guitars

or mod and do repairs on a lot

[snow helm]

no its literally bad compared to things in the same price range

charvels in the 5-600 range use like gotohs far better

[jovial snow]

im use to good gear, not expensive gear, and the jemjr is objectively just bad value

not some like

[velvet valley]

i actually decided to go to a guitar center next week

[jovial snow]

“oh u own better gear so ur use ti better stuff”

no

it’s genuinely just not that good

[velvet valley]

imma test the JEMJR and Charvel

[jovial snow]

if u look up jemjr forums, half the posts, most of them, are people MODDING their jem and asking what to make it better

[velvet valley]

and some 7 strings

[jovial snow]

its not that good of a guitar

charvels just the far better optijon

and the price reflects it

the jemjr is effectively an ibanez gio wrapped up ti look good and sold at ibanez standard range prices

[jovial snow]

for proof that i wasnt exaggerating

[velvet valley]

yeah, unfortunately you can get really deceived by looks

[jovial snow]

i just looked up “jemjr forum” nothing about modding and repair, yet most of the posts are about just that

[velvet valley]

lmao😭

[jovial snow]

thats the point

a lot of the jemjr buyers are beginners who just think it looks pretty

but its made of the cheapest parts possible

[velvet valley]

cuz it looks pretty😭

[jovial snow]

easy money

[velvet valley]

watchu think about getting a squier jazzmaster baritone?

[jovial snow]

i dont see how that fits ur polyphia thing

[velvet valley]

i think it could be a good replacement cuz it's good for really low tunings

[velvet valley]

sound clarity i guess??

[jovial snow]

polyphias in e standard

well 90% of it

[velvet valley]

i mean, can't you tune a baritone to e standard?

[jovial snow]

u can

but whats the point

ur also making playing more difficult, both from string tension as well as the neck

the frets are more spaced apart

just get a multi scale 7 string if u want the best of both worlds

better yet

a multi scale 8 string

youd basically have e standard and Drop E at the same time

polyphia and djent basically

polyphia also used 8 strings in Drop E on their new album anyway

[velvet valley]

yeah i think on one song

or more, i can't tell

[jovial snow]

more

theyve bene using 8 strings fir years anyway

look but dont touch is an old song

chimera, look but dont touch, bloodbath, reverie, probably some more

[velvet valley]

yeah, maybe getting more strings is the way to go

[jovial snow]

the only downside to 8 strings is some players dont like how they feel

theyre bigfer

wider neck

etc

[velvet valley]

i need to grab one and test it in a guitar store

then i will be able to tell

actually my first pick was the Ibanez RGD71ALMS-BAM

[jovial snow]

whatever the case

dont get jemjr

the rg450dx is just a better version of it

and priced the same

[whole vector]

yes

if youre gonna use the floating trem then the jem jr sucks

[whole vector]

note that only the newer one with edge zero ii is better

the old one uses the same standard dl trem and sucks

so if you buy used then keep an eye out

the difference is very noticeable (left is edge zero ii and right is standard dl)

[whole vector]

nightmare is another

[whole vector]

theres an ibanez 8 string for 300 bucks

[whole vector]

genuine question: does that mean you only use 7 out of 30 guitars or that you only still own 7 out of the 30 guitars that youve had

[whole vector]

scratch that its 450 new

but still cheap

[snow helm]

solar/esp/jackson/dillion/agile/ibanez

[velvet valley]

i also thought about the Ibanez RGDMS8-CSM

[whole vector]

look up reviews man

ive done hours of research when looking into new guitars i buy

[snow helm]

that ones good

theres also ibanez axion label if you want a 7

[whole vector]

yea it seems good

if your budget is 1000 bucks then id suggest using all 1000 of it

no reason to cheap out

[velvet valley]

ye ye, that was my first pick

imma decide when i go to a guitar store

[whole vector]

good

just dont pick a jem jr

long term it is the worst choice

[velvet valley]

yeah, i'll try to get it out of my system lol

[whole vector]

i mean like if you really like the inlay you could just buy a tree of life sticker

it goes on the fretboard and kinda works

[velvet valley]

wouldn't these scratch off easily?

[whole vector]

i dont really know, ive just heard of them

id suggest doing some research and buying a good quality one tho

[velvet valley]

yeah, buying a cheap version from aliexpress is a bad decision

[whole vector]

otherwise getting that glue residue out of your fretboard would probably be a nightmare

[velvet valley]

i'd get someone to set it up for me

[velvet valley]

truee

[whole vector]

you dont need that. its just any normal sticker. nothing fancy

just make sure you go for a good brand that wont rip off or anything

id suggest looking further into it though idk how good of a choice they are

[jovial snow]

30 owned throughout the years

7 i have right nkw

i buy and sell a lot

[whole vector]

ah ok

[velvet valley]

yeah i need to search for the right one

[jovial snow]

i make it a rule to not gi above a certain number of guitars

shit becomes redundant

[whole vector]

i thought so

like after a certain point are you even playing all the guitars?

[velvet valley]

i actually prefer the tree of death inlay but idk if anyone made stickers like this

[whole vector]

iirc some company;s in the process

they're not out yet

[snow helm]

i have 4 rn and i think im missing a solid 5-6

[whole vector]

also @velvet valley if you have the money you could do a full custom inlay

[velvet valley]

@jovial snow u think that may be a good decision?

[whole vector]

idk if manufacturers would do the TOL or TOD though

[velvet valley]

naah, i don't wanna spend too much money

[whole vector]

yea was just saying as an option lol

would probably cost a shit ton

[jovial snow]

i think stickers look tacky

and its kinda obvious

but thats just me

theres no harm in stickers

[whole vector]

yea thats why i said pick a good quality one

they look slightly more real than a cheap one off aliexpress or amazon

[velvet valley]

wouldn't they get easily scratched off?

[whole vector]

imo you could buy one and put it on your next string change and try it off

[velvet valley]

yeah yah

no reason to put them on right away

[whole vector]

i dont really think so

if you have sweaty hands depending on the material of the sticker it might wear it away

and your playing style would also affect it

i think more playing would actually set them in more as youd be pressing down on those areas a lot more

[wind urchin]

I wouldn’t say a baritones the right option