double locking tremolo guitar under £500

[grave oracle]

i want to get one with a decent trem system (i dont mind having to change it in a while) and looks cool :D currently looking at the jackson slxm dx snow white

also if u are gonna say trems in this price range are bad, dont bother

[raven wraith]

Well your only option for a good one is to swap it out

[grave oracle]

[raven wraith]

It’s true tho

[grave oracle]

bruh

[raven wraith]

I mean a special won’t be as bad as like the ones on the Jackson js

[grave oracle]

no offense but i AM SO TIRED OF EVERYONE CRAPPING ON EVERY GUITAR I LIKE

i just want a recommondation :D

[raven wraith]

I LOVE SOME OF THE GUITARS WITH SPECIALS BUT THATS THE ISSUE 😭

Like I love the rrx24 from Jackson but it’s got a special

[grave oracle]

can i use it for like a year?

i can replace the trem etc after a year

[raven wraith]

Yeah should be fine If you plan to replace it it’ll last

[grave oracle]

hm alr

still looking for some recomendations :D i need to cut down on the price a lil bit

so i can get a multi fx pedal with it

im seein the reviews on it and it doesnt look good D:

[raven wraith]

What the slxm?

[grave oracle]

what the sigma

[grave oracle]

yeah

[grave oracle]

forgot what it was called for a moment 💀

[raven wraith]

And I’m no longer being apart of this

https://tenor.com/view/bye-gif-25901726

[grave oracle]

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[outer moon]

Get it if you like it

[toxic marlin]

https://www.thomann.de/intl/harley_benton_guitar_max_fusion_signature.htm

[raven wraith]

Not real 1000 btw

[toxic marlin]

https://www.thomann.de/intl/harley_benton_sc_custom_iii_fr_vbk.htm

[toxic marlin]

still better than a special or jackson licensed btw

[raven wraith]

Probably but still not that great

[toxic marlin]

again

better than pretty much any trem on any guitar in this price range

and you get stainless steel frets

and grover tuners on the SC

[raven wraith]

Which means like nothing on a fr

[toxic marlin]

you are the type of person who says that you dont need good tuners if you have a locking nut

[raven wraith]

Cause you don’t?

[toxic marlin]

damn you are insufferable

having good tuners is still good

locking nut or no

[raven wraith]

I mean yeah but why bother on a Floyd

[toxic marlin]

you have to tune the guitar eventually

[toxic marlin]

because if the tuners suck ass even if you rarely change tunings or retune it SUCKS

[raven wraith]

I mean it’s a Floyd if you need to return it’s in the fine tuners

Unless wildly out of tune

[toxic marlin]

retune if you change strings

or drop tune

or change tuning entirely

[raven wraith]

Ok still not that bad obv not saying having cheap plastic tuners like I have on my first act but

[toxic marlin]

my fernandes had ass tuners

even though i didnt use them often, when i did, it annoyed the shit out of me

[raven wraith]

My Jackson’s tuners aren’t bad (tho the Floyd is the main bitch)

[toxic marlin]

replaced them for gotoh locking and was happy ever since

[toxic marlin]

thank god for old licensed floyds on korean guitars

[raven wraith]

Based

[toxic marlin]

brass and steel

holds tune pretty well though i am thinking on changing it for a gotoh

[slim sierra]

rg450dx

[grave oracle]

wiat thats sick

i didnt know those sc guitars even had trems

guys i think im gonna get the schecter omen elite 6 fr

[toxic marlin]

it has a bad floyd tho

[grave oracle]

aw man

[toxic marlin]

you will probably have to replace it in a year

[grave oracle]

wait so will it hold up for a year?

[toxic marlin]

maybe more maybe less

[grave oracle]

i only need it for that long before i start modding it

i was thinking it would be sick with a sustainiac pickup and a new floud

[toxic marlin]

i would consider harley benton a better modding platform because they have steel frets, great tuners, already decent floyds that you can just replace the saddles on

[toxic marlin]

nah man

if you want a sustainiac save up for a guitar with one

[grave oracle]

i am allergic to harley benton tbh

[toxic marlin]

installing it is a massive pain in the ass and will cost a fortune if done by a luthier

and you gotta find one that is willing to do that well

[toxic marlin]

why

[grave oracle]

my first and only electric is a harley benton and its TERRIBLE

to be fair its like £50

the trem is unusabl

[toxic marlin]

bruh

[grave oracle]

it breaks the strings if u go down xD

[toxic marlin]

what the fuck did you expect

[grave oracle]

idk

[toxic marlin]

there are good and great harley bentons

usually the ones that have stainless steel frets are the best

do you like strats or singlecuts more

[grave oracle]

doesnt that schecter have stainless steel frets

[grave oracle]

idk ive only ever used a strat shape

[toxic marlin]

wait lemme check

[grave oracle]

i mean man the schecter looks sick

[toxic marlin]

no

[grave oracle]

oh

[toxic marlin]

where are you btw

[toxic marlin]

europe?

[grave oracle]

uk

[toxic marlin]

oh thats great

[grave oracle]

y

[toxic marlin]

nvm soloking dont offer floyds

[grave oracle]

bruh thats so sick man ;-;

[toxic marlin]

https://www.thomann.de/intl/harley_benton_guitar_max_fusion_signa_bundle.htm

[grave oracle]

il watch a review on it

[toxic marlin]

https://www.thomann.de/intl/harley_benton_fusion_iii_hh_fr_roast._bundle_542137.htm

https://www.thomann.de/intl/harley_benton_fusion_iii_hh_fr_roast._w_case.htm

https://www.thomann.de/intl/harley_benton_fusion_iii_hh_fr_eb_fbl_w_case.htm

[grave oracle]

whats wrong with the schecter so i can do a comparison

[toxic marlin]

also if you can wait until 2025 hb are going to release a new line of strats with floyds

[grave oracle]

cant

[toxic marlin]

any of these are fine then

[toxic marlin]

this one is the best

[grave oracle]

.

[toxic marlin]

schecter doesnt have steel frets, has a worse floyd, costs 150 euro more than the guitar max with a softshell case and does not come with neither a case or gigbag of any sort

the only thing that is up to you is what looks better

[grave oracle]

hm what do the steel frets do

[toxic marlin]

dont wear as much as nickel

they will last you a really long time

[grave oracle]

hm alr

wjat about the floyd, why is it worse?

[toxic marlin]

and if you bring your guitar to a luthier for a full setup and fret polish (which you should do with any storebought guitar) it will be great

[toxic marlin]

schecter has a FR special with zink baseplate and saddles

HB has a Floyd 1000 with a STEEL baseplate and zink saddles

steel baseplate is a lot better because the knife edges wont dull quickly

[grave oracle]

i thought the schecter had like a "hot rod" floyd

[toxic marlin]

saddles are replacable and its pretty cheap

[grave oracle]

i see

[toxic marlin]

Floyd Rose ***special ***'Hot Rod' locking tremolo

[grave oracle]

oh

[brave wigeon]

FR specials aren’t zinc baseplates, they’re zinc alloy saddles and sustain blocks

[toxic marlin]

does it really matter if its still soft and dulls quickly?

[grave oracle]

isnt the schecter omen/extreme pickups really good?

[toxic marlin]

this one has tesla pickups and they are great

[toxic marlin]

if you play high gain - worry about your rig

not pickus

they are high output, just like on the HB

[grave oracle]

i play a lot of random stuff tbh

[toxic marlin]

both guitars have good pickups

[grave oracle]

idk everything seems to point to the hb, but i can tell i have a bias cuz of how rubbish my guitar is

[toxic marlin]

though again, i can confidently say that THIS specific one is better than the schecter

[grave oracle]

ik that any guitar that is less then 100 is terrible

[toxic marlin]

again, a 50 pound guitar will be rubbish 9 times out of 10

no matter the name on the headstock

[grave oracle]

yh

oh its 100 lol

[toxic marlin]

will be pretty ass

[grave oracle]

looks sick, is sick [ly]

[brave wigeon]

iirc they’re all hardened steel, so it would dull as quick as an OFR

[toxic marlin]

if you spend enough time on it it will be good

[toxic marlin]

are you talking about specials or 1000?

[grave oracle]

i mean the trem is unusable, other than that its just setup really terribly

[brave wigeon]

every Floyd, a 1000 is just an OFR from Korea, and a special is an offshore OFR with zinc saddles and sustain block

[grave oracle]

is this the same one?

nvm

it doesnt have a flyd

[toxic marlin]

no

it has a wilkinson trem

[grave oracle]

yh i just realized

[toxic marlin]

which is still great

[grave oracle]

probably wont snap my strings

wait do trems regularly snap ur strings when u go too far down?

[toxic marlin]

they dont

[grave oracle]

oh..

[toxic marlin]

probably there is a sharp point somewhere where your strings contact the guitar

[grave oracle]

i have a few questions about the double locking trems

[toxic marlin]

tuners or trem

[grave oracle]

can u go as far down as u want with the whammy bar?

like push down as far as u want?

[toxic marlin]

as far as the guitar allows

[grave oracle]

wdym

if i just push as hard as i can will it break?

[brave wigeon]

your body is gonna get in the way of the guitar

[grave oracle]

woah thats pretty low down

[brave wigeon]

no, it’s designed to take a beating

[grave oracle]

less goo

what about going up?

[toxic marlin]

if the guitar is made out of shitty wood and you have high tension strings and springs it might pull the trem claw out but it shouldnt be a problem on neither schecter or harley benton

[grave oracle]

like pullip up

[toxic marlin]

yes

strings can snap then

[grave oracle]

hm

how far can i go up then?

[toxic marlin]

depends on the string tension

like gauge/tuning

[grave oracle]

what is best gauge for going as far up/ down with the whammy bar?

[toxic marlin]

jesus

what tuning do you play in

[grave oracle]

standard or drop d

[toxic marlin]

you can also go as far as the body allows you

[grave oracle]

im a simple lad

[brave wigeon]

once again, as far as the guitar allows. your strings can only go so far back obviously, but the recess isn’t just a giant cavity it’s small recess

[toxic marlin]

like depending on how deep the floyd reccess route goes

[grave oracle]

huh alr >:)

[brave wigeon]

whatever strings you like, makes literally no difference on a guitar with a whammy vs without

[grave oracle]

im getting ready to do the most irritating whammy bar tricks ever

[grave oracle]

any recommendations?

[brave wigeon]

you’ll just need heavier springs if you go super heavy

[grave oracle]

wdym super heavy

i think ima try get the schecter, but if my budget doesnt allow it il get the Harley Benton

[brave wigeon]

I use 9-42 in E on a floyd, but that’s my preference. 9-46 on a 6 point trem, 10-52 on an LP in E, 12-60 on an EC in D and a few others interlaced. that’s what I like though, you should experiment

[brave wigeon]

large gauges

[grave oracle]

ah

[brave wigeon]

with a trem you’re balancing the spring tension and the string tension, too much string tension your trem pulls up on its own and too little and it pulls down on its own

[grave oracle]

hm i wanna be able to bend easily, but not TOO easily

[grave oracle]

ah i see

ive seen people tryna get it perfect, looks painful

[brave wigeon]

it’s just time consuming, once it’s set it’s set forever though

only need to change it if you change tuning or gauges

[grave oracle]

how often do i need to change my strings on a floyd?

[brave wigeon]

same as any other guitar

[grave oracle]

im supposed to do it once a month on a regular guitar, but changing strinngs on a floyd looks HELLA hard

[toxic marlin]

no

It’s not hard

[brave wigeon]

just takes ever so slightly more time

[grave oracle]

oh

[toxic marlin]

If anything to me changing strings on a non floyd guitar is harder

[grave oracle]

how do i tune it? ive watched videos but i still dont understand

[brave wigeon]

you either change one at a time, or you put something under the trem so it doesn’t fall off the posts

[toxic marlin]

Watch more videos

[grave oracle]

too many methods for me to understand

[brave wigeon]

use the tuners to get it set, then you clamp the nut

[toxic marlin]

I watched it till I got it

Watch one

[brave wigeon]

once the nut is clamped, the tuners don’t do anything

[toxic marlin]

Over and over

[grave oracle]

ive seen one that i think is simple, tune the first 2 strings, and clamp each nut

and then use the fine tuners

[brave wigeon]

that’s why the fine tuners are there, otherwise you need to unclamp the nut every time you need a slight turning change

[brave wigeon]

depends on how you do it. I cut the ball ends off then string it like a regular guitar

[grave oracle]

adn then repeat for each thing

[grave oracle]

i mean tuning

not changing strings

[toxic marlin]

Watch even more videos

[brave wigeon]

ah, after the restring you tune every string 7 times, it’ll stop going out then.

[toxic marlin]

You gotta balance the floyd

[brave wigeon]

clamp the nuts, fine tuners are for small adjustments

[grave oracle]

so just e a d g b e

in that same pattern

[toxic marlin]

The sTring tension has to match sPring tension

[grave oracle]

7 times over?

[toxic marlin]

Not necessarily

[brave wigeon]

7 times is where it stops going out, im yet to find a guitar where that isn’t the case

[toxic marlin]

May be more maybe less

[grave oracle]

alr so tune it 7 times

or more

[brave wigeon]

if it’s not falling out of tune in its own, then clamp

[grave oracle]

then clamp the nut

and then do fine adjustments?

wait that seems quite easy if u have a tuning pedal

[brave wigeon]

a good locking nut won’t clamp them sharp, so it should be perfect immediately. there will be slight changes in the tuning like every guitar, but Floyd’s are more stable than hard tails when it comes to tuning stability

provided they’re well set up

[grave oracle]

will the hb and schecter clamp them sharp or nah

[brave wigeon]

wouldn’t know unless i had one. most likely not, as it tends to be when the locking nut has grooves worn in it over time from the strings

[toxic marlin]

If the tension bar BEHIND the nut is the correct height - no

[brave wigeon]

as long as the string is making full contact with the base and clamp of the nut, it’ll be fine

[grave oracle]

should i expect that to be pre done?

[brave wigeon]

yes

[toxic marlin]

This thing

[grave oracle]

guys, the part im worried about when getting a new floyd is that im not that technical,

and i dont think i can set it up properly

[toxic marlin]

Doesn’t matter

[toxic marlin]

You will learn that eventually

[grave oracle]

what do i have to do to "set it up"

[toxic marlin]

It will probably come intonated

[grave oracle]

cuz ive seen really complex stuff with the saddles and like the measurements, its confusing

[toxic marlin]

Though I still suggest bringing the new guitar to a luthier for a full setup AND fret polish

[grave oracle]

how much would that cost?

[toxic marlin]

I have no idea where you live and what your local luthiers charge man

You gotta find that out yourself

[grave oracle]

ok

what tools do ya reckon id need anyways?

[toxic marlin]

All the tools you need for a floyd usually come with the guitar

Which are just 2 wrenches

[toxic marlin]

For the HB, it also comes with a little rod to adjust the truss rod

Schecter comes with 3 I think

[grave oracle]

this seems realy useful

[toxic marlin]

If you are a newbie I would get a Harley Benton at least for the spoke wheel truss rod adjustment

[toxic marlin]

Sure

It won’t hurt to have one of these

[grave oracle]

alrightyy

rn this is my basket

or the harley benton

if my wallet is empty

[toxic marlin]

https://www.thomann.de/intl/harley_benton_guitar_max_fusion_signa_bundle.htm

I would buy this Harley instead

Bundle specifically

Can you add it to cart instead?

I wanna see the price difference

[grave oracle]

sure

different website tho

100 quid difference

[toxic marlin]

you can spend the remaining 100 pounds on 2-3 packs of good strings and a setup

i suggest Daddario XS 9-46

[sweet vault]

honestly dude i know you probably got this alot but

save up til u can get like maybe 650 pounds

get an ibanez guitar with a edge zero ii

oh wait 550 pounds would be enough

550 pounds bro

get a ibanez guitar with an edge zero ii

[sweet vault]

i vouch for this

honestly i wouldnt get anything with a LFR or a fake floyd

[raven wraith]

I mean some licensed Floyd’s are great

[sweet vault]

yeahh but honestly youd be hassle free without getting one 😭

[raven wraith]

Gotoh ge1996t ?

[sweet vault]

no im talking like jackson lfrs

gotoh ge1996t is good tho

like jackson LFRS and schecter LFRS at this price range

ehhh

i would rather get a floyd rose speicla

special*

The bare minimum for double locking trems for me are floyd rose specials and edge zero ii

i like the edge zero ii more than the fr special tho because its a pop in arm instead of a screw in

[grave oracle]

hm ive seen a bit of hate on the pickups on the rg450dx

[toxic marlin]

and the only good feature of the guitar is the wizard neck and slightly less shitty trem

as someone who had an rg350dxz id say that the hb is still better

you cant tune to drop d on the edge zero ii

the spring tension adjustment wheel doesnt go far enough if you wanna have lighter gauge strings in lower tunings

and it takes quite a bit of modification to fit a trem blocker in the back cavity

[grave oracle]

uh what about the evh drop d tuna?

[toxic marlin]

there are none for the edge

[grave oracle]

oh i see

[grave oracle]

ah

[toxic marlin]

and you cant really use them on reccesed non blocked floyds

[grave oracle]

do the EVH guitars have down only tremolos?

or can they go up in pitch

[brave wigeon]

most are decked

[grave oracle]

idk what that mean

[brave wigeon]

there might be a few with a recess, don’t quote me on that

[brave wigeon]

down only

[grave oracle]

aw

what if it says "floyd rose style"?

[brave wigeon]

in what context?

[toxic marlin]

It means it’s a licensed floyd

Dude we gave you pretty much the best options in your price range

[grave oracle]

ik im just curious

its good to know things :D

[toxic marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/гослинг-gif-23319382

[grave oracle]

uh

please refrain

[toxic marlin]

349 messages in this thread already

[grave oracle]

hah this is gotta be the largest thread

make it really long

(thats what she said)

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[toxic marlin]

Mods can you warn him for spam

[grave oracle]

aw

[toxic marlin]

Ok I’m done here

You have your options.

[grave oracle]

yes ma'am

[sweet vault]

I DONT HAVE THAT ON MINE

sorry caps

i dont have that on mine

u can get one without it

wizard neck is also nice imo

[sweet vault]

It depends on the model im pretty sure

my rg470 doesnt have one

[toxic marlin]

the older models didnt have them

i had a 2021 indonesian rg350dxz

it had one

i think the new ones also have them

[sweet vault]

def get an rg470 tho

great guitar

edge zero ii without the spring wheel thing

theres a few without the ZPS

RG420EX doesnt have one

rg450 doesnt ahve one either

the new Rg470 was also released this year and it doesnt have it

rg470ahm that is

[slim sierra]

try to find no hate on ANY stock pickup

of any budget guitar

stock pickups just generally sound very generic / dull

across all brands

you can get easily change pickups though, and sometimes for relatively cheap

so i wouldnt let pickups be a bother

[toxic marlin]

Idk I loved the stock Tesla VR-2 in my HB

[slim sierra]

i found them to be similar to just ur general artec made stuff, a cut above the very bottom but still kinda generic cus thats kinda the safe route to go with stock pickups. can be a great or horrible thing just based on what u want from a guitar, not a bad thing to be generic when it comes to this stuff

ive played the teslas found in hb and whatever set a coworker had in one of his tagimas

[grave oracle]

hm i see

there is an andertons 1 hour away from me i might go there

[runic gate]

Harley benton series

i think its called fusion

[runic remnant]

as a d1 schecter glazer, theres a bunch of $550, mainly demon, damien, and the omens

eventually switch it out for a better one

[grave oracle]

yh ive decided on a schecter if my budget allows, but a harley benton if im gonna save a bit

[grave oracle]

406 msgs is crazy

[sweet vault]

get a rg

ibanez

trust

[toxic marlin]

Still get a Harley Benton

Trust me as a person who had an rg

I liked it but I like HBs more