Can't decide between em
#Epiphone Les Paul or a Yamaha Pacifica 012?
long sluice
hallow tree
Would be good to know which epiphone you mean, but if youre a beginner it might honestly not be a bad idea to just buy what you feel looks the best.
If you can, definitely try both and see how they feel in your lap and if they feel comfortable.
Maybe google something like „single coil demo“ and see if you like that kind of „glassy“ tone, because thats something you wont get out of a les Paul
left bane
@graceful tinsel Why do I sense the LP might be black
left bane
Can't decide between em
Pick whichever one will inspire you to play honestly
They're going to sound relatively similiar, especially on beginner amps
graceful tinsel
<@202410319270641665> Why do I sense the LP might be black
you saw my latest acquisition right? 
left bane
you saw my latest acquisition right? <:kek:1009863582126715050>
is that a mf'ing bocchi reference
graceful tinsel
is that a mf'ing bocchi reference
wait until it's back from the tech. I'll take pics
left bane
I expect a review in a few months so i can copy 
Going to be in Kr and jpn in early spring
so might grab something for the ride back
graceful tinsel
Can't decide between em
try out similar guitars and see which you like more because they're wildly different
left bane
Can't decide between em
I had a pacifica personally, they're great guitars (yes, including the 012 and 112) and I think any beginner could do very well with them.
supple dust
i know why you chose the LP and Pacifica as the options
bocchi bought the pacifica to replace her LP
so go with the pacifica
(pacificas are also generally better value than Les Pauls given the same price brackets)
left bane
(pacificas are also generally better value than Les Pauls given the same price b...
Agreed with this
graceful tinsel
I mean pacificas are generally better value than 95% of things in their pice brackets
left bane
When are we getting an anime expounding the virtues of the revstar
long sluice
bocchi bought the pacifica to replace her LP
partially!! but i wanted to start playing the guitar since i was in kindergarten..
left bane
partially!! but i wanted to start playing the guitar since i was in kindergarten...
Kiko has a pink guitar with bocchi hair ornaments, feel no shame 
long sluice
try out similar guitars and see which you like more because they're wildly diffe...
i'm visiting a guitar store next week
i'll see if they have them
left bane
At the beginner stage it’s mostly about just wanting to play
long sluice
Kiko has a pink guitar with bocchi hair ornaments, feel no shame <:god_gasm:4509...
most based thing ever
left bane
And picking an instrument that will inspire you to pick it up
graceful tinsel
i'll see if they have them
you don't necessarily have to try exactly the pacifica and the epi if the store doesn't have them
left bane
The actual specs etc are nice but not super important as long as the overall quality is good and, most importantly, the guitar is set up properly
graceful tinsel
legit just try out a strat and a les paul
see what you like more because they're way different in how they feel
way different
long sluice
The actual specs etc are nice but not super important as long as the overall qua...
i thought the specs were a lot more important than they actually are..
graceful tinsel
Specs are the least important part of guitars
left bane
i thought the specs were a lot more important than they actually are..
As you improve you’ll get more demanding and you’ll know what specifically you like
long sluice
right now it's more about learning than about which guitar i get
makes sense
graceful tinsel
Guitars and other handicraft/tools are more like food than they are computers or cars
But that's a conversation/rant for another time
graceful tinsel
right now it's more about learning than about which guitar i get
makes sense
yep
left bane
Specs are more about targeting a specific goal rather than making one guitar better or worse than another
long sluice
lol i'll just get something that looks good
left bane
Based
left bane
If it looks good you’ll want to show it off, to show it off you need to play it, to play it you need to practice 🤔
long sluice
yea so i just practice till i can show it off™️
left bane
One little caveat, when you actually buy the guitar, negotiate with the store for them to set it up for you
long sluice
set it up?
left bane
They don’t come out of the box in a playable state most of the time
Lots of little adjustments to be made
long sluice
oh so i have to tune it and stuff like that?
long sluice
makes sense
graceful tinsel
set it up?
Guitars, ESPECIALLY cheap guitars, need to be set up
left bane
oh so i have to tune it and stuff like that?
Sort of, more adjusting how the physical guitar is set up (are the strings the right height, are the frets nice and smooth etc)
long sluice
that makes sense
graceful tinsel
caveat: some stores won't do shit to the frets. If they don't, ask them who to take the guitar to
left bane
Fixing these kind of requires you know how they should be and can need tools, so best for the shop to handle it
graceful tinsel
remember: most store staff play too
so they're gonna have friends who tech for a living or as a side gig
long sluice
Fixing these kind of requires you know how they should be and can need tools, so...
i don't think i want to plunge into all that yet, i'll make sure to ask the store
left bane
For tuning, buy a clip on tuner
They’re like $15 and infinitely more convenient than the little microphone ones
long sluice
but the apps work just as well right?
left bane
No
long sluice
oh
left bane
They can, in theory, be correct sometimes
But practically no
You don’t want to use a microphone to tune
It picks up noise, it’s imprecise etc
long sluice
does this mean i tuned my guitar wrong?
left bane
No its not wrong
graceful tinsel
I never had issues with microphone tuners... in an isolated environment
that's the keyword there
left bane
Just think of it as the difference between throwing a dart at a board and landing dead center vs just a random point
long sluice
well my room is pretty much the most isolated room in the house
supple dust
i thought the specs were a lot more important than they actually are..
only when you actually understand waht the specs are and what you want from them
graceful tinsel
clip tuners are faster, track better, more accurate, etc
graceful tinsel
well my room is pretty much the most isolated room in the house
okay but when you find friends to play with 6 months or so from now, you'll be having issues with the phone tuner
just get a snark headstock tuner
long sluice
just get a snark headstock tuner
for sure
graceful tinsel
snark also comes in very flashy colors so you can't really lose it accidentally
left bane
And just cause this might not have been clear
graceful tinsel
only when you actually understand waht the specs are and what you want from them
and even then, again, it's just half the story
long sluice
will make sure to buy
left bane
So let’s say you’re watching tv or playing with friends, it will still be accurate
graceful tinsel
one of John Suhr's favorite guitar is a FULL BASSWOOD BODY AND NECK axe that Grover Jackson made for him in the 80s
long sluice
also if i happen to buy a guitar online, i'll have to set it up myself yeah?
graceful tinsel
now if you ask me, I think that that is insane
left bane
You can bring it to a shop
long sluice
So let’s say you’re watching tv or playing with friends, it will still be accura...
sounds pretty convenient
graceful tinsel
as in, not sane
long sluice
You can bring it to a shop
fair
supple dust
one of John Suhr's favorite guitar is a FULL BASSWOOD BODY AND NECK axe that Gro...
didn't even know thats a viable neck option
left bane
Setup prices will vary depending where you are
But usually not terrible
Generally when you buy a guitar you can get them to throw it in for free, though not always
graceful tinsel
didn't even know thats a viable neck option
it's "viable" in the sense that binge drinking before finals is "viable"
left bane
it's "viable" in the sense that binge drinking before finals is "viable"
Hey I did that once
graceful tinsel
but John likes it despite its fragility
graceful tinsel
Hey I did that once
same, but midterms
long sluice
Generally when you buy a guitar you can get them to throw it in for free, though...
all i can do is hope™️
thanks for all your help!
left bane
Hf, don’t try to play the never forget solo in your first week
long sluice
what
graceful tinsel
Hf, don’t try to play the never forget solo in your first week <:vai_urine:47422...
is this the cue for me to shill my lesson?
left bane
is this the cue for me to shill my lesson?
You never uploaded the tabs, your fans are dying
long sluice
well
i've been playing easier bocchi music
the ones she plays not during concerts lol
graceful tinsel
You never uploaded the tabs, your fans are dying
I decided not to
it's already on the screen
long sluice
like double dark past and the elegy of the part time worker who lost her identity to the just-arrived newbie
left bane
I decided not to <:serB:503185775257452544>
Cruel
supple dust
https://youtu.be/1xucOGTwBP8?t=109
if bocchi gotoh was a real 9th grade girl, where would she land on the songwriting tier list
graceful tinsel
if bocchi gotoh was a real 9th grade girl, where would she land on the songwriti...
She wrote the lyrics so who knows?
Ryo wrote the music
which makes sense
graceful tinsel
The best music are written by bass players who aren't shit
long sluice
well i think she can write music too
she has been playing guitar for every day for 3 years
and 6 hours a day at that
graceful tinsel
well i think she can write music too
she has been playing guitar for every day f...
Trust me that does not help wtih writing music at all
The best guitar player I've ever seen can play anything, but holy shit
when he's left to write his own music, I would rather listen to elevator muzak
supple dust
she probably could write tho with that hijink of her doing a slide improv instead of breaking down and exploding
graceful tinsel
and that guy was playing better than legends, and doing guitar clinics across America (a foreign country) when he was like
12
long sluice
oh.
graceful tinsel
Basically songwriting is a skill that also needs to be developed like everything else
graceful tinsel
she probably could write tho with that hijink of her doing a slide improv instea...
I mean yeah but you've seen my "music"
left bane
Id implode if expected to play an improv slide solo
I bought a slide once, couldn’t figure out how to put it on and decided maybe slide isn’t for me
graceful tinsel
Id implode if expected to play an improv slide solo
same
long sluice
Trust me that does not help wtih writing music at all
she was writing music in the first episode as well so..
maybe she practiced both?
graceful tinsel
that's why we have the whammy bar
supple dust
I bought a slide once, couldn’t figure out how to put it on and decided maybe sl...
i realized that higher action was suggested for slide, and me being a pussy, i decided slide wasnt for me
graceful tinsel
suggested, not needed
derek trucks uses low action
guthrie too
well guthrie is more medium now but eh
Paul Gilbert too
hollow girder
Can't decide between em
100,000% Yamaha Pacifica, and here’s why: the epiphone will have bad quality control, and at this price, you need good quality control or the guitar can be crap. The Yamaha is famous for its good QC, and good reputation overall
TLDR: get rhe pacifica
crimson shadow
Idk about epiphone having bad QC. That's more of a HB thing. If it's inspired by Gibson it's gonna be pretty solid.
left bane
Idk about epiphone having bad QC. That's more of a HB thing. If it's inspired by...
genuinely cannot tell if this is a meme or not
crimson shadow
genuinely cannot tell if this is a meme or not
I've had 2 les pauls and my brother has an SG I've tried and they've all had zero issues
left bane
I've had 2 les pauls and my brother has an SG I've tried and they've all had zer...
epi les pauls are kind of infamous (and have been for probably two decades at this point) for being absolute garbage for the price, having awful qc and generally sounding like fuzzy messes
crimson shadow
classic and modern les pauls, and my brother has an SG standard
left bane
I tried a couple last week and my assessment didn't change
crimson shadow
idk if we've been playing the same guitars
left bane
Gibsons are fine, the QC issues in their case is mostly just finish stuff
just a hazard of using nitro really
mid/high end epiphone to me has always felt like a $200 guitar cosplaying as a gibson
long sluice
i'll get a black yamaha 012
left bane
Just so you know and for absolutely no reason whatsoever, if you were to say, want a black pick guard, you can get them for like $10 on amazon
long sluice
Just so you know and for absolutely no reason whatsoever, if you were to say, wa...
I honestly just keep guitar picks in my pocket lmao
left bane
I honestly just keep guitar picks in my pocket lmao
The pick guard is the white part of the Pacifica
The plastic
Not related to picks
long sluice
They're going to sound relatively similiar, especially on beginner amps
speaking of amps,, which amps should i even get??
long sluice
The pick guard is the white part of the Pacifica
oh
left bane
Budget?
graceful tinsel
@left banelike clockwork
left bane
<@251198113996472321>like clockwork
I know this because I was also looking for one
It really does look better with the black though honestly
Yamaha uses like an optic white instead of cream
long sluice
I wanted an all black guitar so
long sluice
This is a safe space
oh you
left bane
@supple dust Where to get the bocchi cubes
long sluice
I'd also like to know!!
graceful tinsel
tbh there are other cheap LPs that aren't epiphone, but they're not always readily available
left bane
tbh there are other cheap LPs that aren't epiphone, but they're not always readi...
A, you mean this for gen, and b, you are absolutely milking that LP today 
I saw the bocchi thread
graceful tinsel
NGD after all
long sluice
i will buy a black pick guard, thanks
does the size of the pickguard matter? like, any specs i should be looking out for?
left bane
Yeah I’ll help you out with it in a bit
graceful tinsel
does the size of the pickguard matter? like, any specs i should be looking out f...
make sure it's specifically for a Pacifica
"pacifica" has to be there on the listing
left bane
I need to handle a meeting in five min
left bane
@graceful tinsel you want to cover the interface vs amp thing?
$100 would probably go farther with a solo + a Marshall plugin
graceful tinsel
no I wanna go grab some scotch on the rocks and jam
hollow girder
i'll get a black yamaha 012
Good idea
hollow girder
tbh there are other cheap LPs that aren't epiphone, but they're not always readi...
Sire and Eart
hollow girder
what gear do i even need for e. guitar?
Amp, cable, guitar
hollow girder
what amp should i get?
Budget?
hollow girder
and cable shouldn't matter all that much, right?
Not really, just get a name brand like fender
hollow girder
200$ at most
Get a Fender mustang LT25
long sluice
sure
crimson shadow
see if you can find used boss katanas
long sluice
are they that much better?
what about the katana mini?
i was looking for the katana since i saw that it had super good reviews but it was too expensive
left bane
what about the katana mini?
Katana > lt25 > mini
the nice thing with katanas is that it feels like literally everyone has them (because they do)
so they come up on the used market constantly, even at retail stores
last time i visited guitar center they had a bunch of used ones available
as an added bonus, since they're so popular it's easy to find people who had had whatever question/problem you wind up with
crimson shadow
katana 50 mk 2 is the best option
long sluice
well, i looked on ebay and a bunch of guitar sites
none of them had a used katana 50 mk
crimson shadow
reverb?
crimson shadow
used music stuff website
left bane
beyond that, you'll need a cable (probably about $10-20), a tuner ($15), some picks and probably an extra pack of strings for when one inevitably breaks at an inconvenient time
long sluice
based in US?
left bane
what's reverb?
its ebay for music stuff
left bane
It's mostly US based
crimson shadow
it's ebay for music stuff
long sluice
I'll check it out
left bane
for the katana though, id be surprised if your local stores don't have them
they may just not have a way to list them online
long sluice
they have them, but only brand new
I think I'll get a fender
should I be worried about how it sounds?
crimson shadow
should I be worried about how it sounds?
not really
long sluice
gotcha
crimson shadow
the speaker size on the boss katana 50 is bigger, and bigger is generally better sounding
there's more effects with a katana
but the mustang LT25 is the cheaper option
long sluice
well
I don't think i need too many effects
I plan on playing rock.. and that's it..
unless rock needs a lot of effects??
left bane
unless rock needs a lot of effects??
not really
long sluice
so a mustang would be sufficient, yeah?
left bane
yeah its fine
long sluice
gotcha
left bane
if you have picks already, they'll be fine, otherwise most people tend to gravitate to Dunlop Jazz IIIs eventually
I have this cable, but you can probably save some money if you shop around. There's nothing really special about it https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09SJVHNPS
crimson shadow
unless rock needs a lot of effects??
better to have them and not need them, than need them and not have them
the LT25 should be solid
long sluice
if you have picks already, they'll be fine, otherwise most people tend to gravit...
i have george dennis super picks
long sluice
I have this cable, but you can probably save some money if you shop around. Ther...
sure
any cable will work, right?
left bane
any guitar cable will yeah
long sluice
a cheap cable vs expensive cable won't have too much difference is what i mean
left bane
I wouldn't go too cheap
long sluice
yea of course i'm not going to buy anything too cheap
left bane
Theoretically you can get one so poorly built that it actually lacks shielding or something lik that
long sluice
10 - 15$ should be fine
left bane
just avoid getting a super long one if you dont actually need it lol
they tend to get everywhere
long sluice
i will need at most 15ft lol
crimson shadow
are you planning on moving it about a lot?
crimson shadow
can be
long sluice
well is the mustang heavy
crimson shadow
it's 5.7 kg
long sluice
true
long sluice
owh
okay i think i'm set on the mustang lol
anything that i should look out for in terms of guitar cases?
crimson shadow
just get a decent gig bag
long sluice
gotcha
hollow girder
what about the katana mini?
Don’t get the katana mini, if you want a mini amp, get a used spark mini. If you can find it, a used Spark 40 or boss katana (I prefer the spark) is really really good
But the mustang lt25 is good as well
faint furnace
anything that i should look out for in terms of guitar cases?
hard-shell cases not necessary unless ur traveling with it
roadrunner has some good gig-bags
supple dust
what about the katana mini?
mini is dookie
faint furnace
i tried one at a guitar store once, sound is meh
supple dust
<@766863636337131560> Where to get the bocchi cubes
like guitar knobs? @long sluice
people ik who have the actual cube knobs bought the real hairties from a cosplay and drilled a hole into it
graceful tinsel
graceful tinsel
Just use knobs
hollow girder
I love the open grain and no pole pieces
left bane
a yamaha thr5 in the frame.
They’re actually pretty good
graceful tinsel
left bane
Tbh I wish I had one when I started lol
left bane
Would have been way nicer to bring to school and friends houses than the old 1 watt miniamps we all had 
long sluice
Would have been way nicer to bring to school and friends houses than the old 1 w...
that wouldn't have been very loud
left bane
that wouldn't have been very loud
Volume doesn’t matter as much as you’d think
Even 1 watt is plenty loud
left bane
I’ve gigged with a drummer on a 5 watt lol
long sluice
fun
left bane
Watts start to matter if you want a clean (ie not distorted sound) at high volumes
long sluice
well, that only matters in a band or something like that right?
left bane
Practically yeah
long sluice
I’ve gigged with a drummer on a 5 watt lol
you're tempting me to actually get a thr5 instead of a mustang
there's a used one for dirt cheap right now too
the privilege of choice haunts me...
left bane
I’m kind of on the side of just buy what you want to play rather than what’s actually the best (which is probably the katana). For amps, I’d say just@go to guitar center and play around with them
They’ll have all these in stock
The big advantage of the thr is portability
long sluice
im going to be moving around a ton lol
school concerts, playing with a pianist friend in public (if I have the guts to do that lol), stuff like that
crimson shadow
There's not many effects on the THR-5
left bane
Thr would probably struggle with live playing
crimson shadow
The mustang LT 25 is more versatile. The THR-5 is what I'd get as a practice amp second.
long sluice
I'll look around a bit more,, sorry for being so indecisive
crimson shadow
Unless you don't mind buying pedals later.
long sluice
Unless you don't mind buying pedals later.
i don't really mind
crimson shadow
Then effects won't matter and you can buy the ones you want.
left bane
Personally I think effects are massively overblown
crimson shadow
I mean playing power chords without overdrive or distortion is gonna sound a bit whimpy.
That isn't available on the THR5
left bane
I mean playing power chords without overdrive or distortion is gonna sound a bit...
You don’t need those on a digital amp
Just use the appropriate channel
Boost into a digital amp will sound like poop
Thr has reverb, chorus, delay etc, not really sure what else you can possibly want
left bane
not as important as they are made out to be?
Reverb is nice, delay is nice but niche, beyond that they’re really situational
long sluice
makes sense
left bane
Compressors are great, but also probably the last thing beginners should use lol
long sluice
the hell is a compressor?
left bane
It smooths out the volume of your playing to make it more even and consistent
Stuff like tapping comes through much clearer with less actual force playing
long sluice
ah
left bane
It can also just generally make the guitar feel a bit more responsive
Downside is it covers up sloppy dynamics
So great to have down the line, but can be a crutch
If you know math rock at all
They tend to use them heavily
Or the sound of people like Ichika Nito
long sluice
They tend to use them heavily
I don't really know math rock well..
long sluice
oh
graceful tinsel
So great to have down the line, but can be a crutch
tbh in recording, less so live, the "crutch" is almost definitely required for cleans anyways
left bane
tbh in recording, less so live, the "crutch" is almost definitely required for c...
Meant more for practice
I too abuse compressors
long sluice
okay so i think
graceful tinsel
ah true
long sluice
that thr5 has enough effects for me
left bane
I play covet shit
crimson shadow
id still prefer the mustang lt25 just because of the bigger speaker personally
supple dust
the THR5 is no slouch
it can get pretty loud
good travel amp, top 5 (not like theres good ones 5 to choose from to begin with)
faint furnace
a yamaha thr5 in the frame.
they have good sound
long sluice
hmm, found a fender squier sonic strat that i really like the look of
how does it compare to the pacifica?
graceful tinsel
Worse
long sluice
gotcha
also are there any good "cheap" les pauls? just curious since someone here said they had bad quality control or something along those lines
crimson shadow
also are there any good "cheap" les pauls? just curious since someone here said ...
it depends on your budget
epiphones are fine
id get a les paul classic or standard from epiphone, the classic is the best relatively budget proper les paul
long sluice
id get a les paul classic or standard from epiphone, the classic is the best rel...
I'm not sure if 800$ is budget lmao
meant something along the lines of 300$
crimson shadow
I'm not sure if 800$ is budget lmao
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EILOHBNH--epiphone-les-paul-classic-honey-burst this was my first epiphone les paul
it was £350 here
the inspired by gibson stuff is what you wanna look at imo
long sluice
it was £350 here
it's uhhh 600$
crimson shadow
rip
SGs are usually cheaper
there's also yamaha
they make something les paul/SG esque with the revstar
long sluice
sgs?
yea I'm planning on buying a yamaha but I'm a bit curious about les paul since I really like the looks
crimson shadow
£350 is $442 apparently so i got it a lot cheaper new lol
long sluice
lucky
crimson shadow
uk sucks for everything else
long sluice
the inspired by gibson stuff is what you wanna look at imo
les paul special by epiphone probably isn't that great is it
crimson shadow
if it's an inspired by gibson one it's probably solid
but
it's $500 lol
are you in the US?
crimson shadow
looking at thomann then?
long sluice
that could work
crimson shadow
im checking reverb
long sluice
sure
crimson shadow
which country because reverb depends on your location
i stuck it on germany
to see people who will post there
long sluice
which country because reverb depends on your location
czechia
sturdy shoal
ž
long sluice
there are some on thomann but idk if they're good
crimson shadow
this isn't a bad deal but probably out of your budget https://reverb.com/en-cz/item/31997481-epiphone-les-paul-standard-60s-bourbon-burst
les paul standard
long sluice
yeah sadly too expensive
crimson shadow
not sure if you'll get anything quality at your price point from epiphone
long sluice
on the website I was looking, I found an epiphone special satin for 260$
how's that one?
crimson shadow
crimson shadow
on the website I was looking, I found an epiphone special satin for 260$
how's t...
got a link?
crimson shadow
that's an avoid
if you check the headstock, that's how to tell the difference
the newer inspired by gibsons have the original epiphone headstock, the older ones have a tombstone design
crimson shadow
it's like it's got extra shoulders on the special
long sluice
which model?
crimson shadow
it's a little newer and fancier than a pacifica, but pacificas are still good
where you looking at a 012 or 112?
crimson shadow
any 212s in your budget?
long sluice
yea but a bit out of my budget
spice holly
Les paul
long sluice
squier is also still good
how does it compare to a pacifica
crimson shadow
how does it compare to a pacifica
about the same, yamahas QC is a little better
spice holly
Personally I like both but a little more to Squier
crimson shadow
but on average you'd end up with a guitar with no glaring issues
spice holly
Yamaha is good but you have more choices from Squier
crimson shadow
yamaha might do their frets a little better, cut the nut a little nicer
long sluice
I like the look of a squier affinity but prefer the sound on a yamaha pacifica
i can't really decide lmao
long sluice
hollow girder
a yamaha thr5 in the frame.
theyre a good amp, just not for the price
wayyyy to expensie
for that price, get a spark 40, katana, etc and it will serve you much better
hollow girder
https://www.thomann.de/cz/harley_benton_sc_custom_ii_vintage_b_b_stock.htm maybe...
what specifically are you looking for, and what budget?
long sluice
what specifically are you looking for, and what budget?
my budget is 250$ probably
just want a quality guitar that looks nice
left bane
https://www.thomann.de/cz/harley_benton_sc_custom_ii_vintage_b_b_stock.htm maybe...
Quality control issues on anything Harley Benton unfortunately
long sluice
Quality control issues on anything Harley Benton unfortunately
awww man
left bane
Or well, a total lack thereof anyway
long sluice
and i thought i'd lucked out finding that color lmao
hollow girder
well, mostly, if youre in europe, its really not a bad deal
left bane
For the price they’re honestly pretty good, just need to budget in a setup and hope you get very lucky
hollow girder
but what shape did you like?
hollow girder
@long sluice
long sluice
but what shape did you like?
i like the les paul shape a lot
but there seems to be a lack of good les paul shape guitars around my budget lmao
long sluice
For the price they’re honestly pretty good, just need to budget in a setup and h...
fair
hollow girder
i like the les paul shape a lot
not really, i can find one for under 300
are you in europe?
long sluice
yup
was checking out thomann
i might be getting a yamaha pacifica
either 012 or 112
hollow girder
the pacifica is a great option
but if youre in europe
a harley benton would actually be quite nice
mabye not a B stock
long sluice
a harley benton would actually be quite nice
how so?
hollow girder
but HB is definetly an option, since there arent any shipping fees
a BIG reason why people dont buy HB
is (other than QC issues) the shipping, since they are made in germany
if youre in europe, there is little to no shipping
long sluice
sounds like a hassle..
and i'm not sure if i can even tell if there's an issue with it
hollow girder
since shipping = around 0
hollow girder
sounds like a hassle..
and i'm not sure if i can even tell if there's an issue w...
maybe just take it to a guitar shop and ask, it wont take long
long sluice
tfw the only guitar store is a 3 hour drive away
how does a hb compare to the pacifica anyway?
left bane
Yamaha is Yamaha tbh, you’re not going to beat it without spending significantly more
The most realistic part of the show was replacing a $3000 Gibson with a $600 Yamaha
hollow girder
if it goes well (the HB) , you have a great guitar, but the pacifica will guaranteed be good
i would get the HB, because its what you specifically want
it wont be much hassle to just ask a guitar store person if there is anythign glaringly wrong
long sluice
The most realistic part of the show was replacing a $3000 Gibson with a $600 Yam...
i found a yamaha pacifica that looks nearly identical to bocchi's but outta my budget
long sluice
if it goes well (the HB) , you have a great guitar, but the pacifica will guaran...
honestly? i'd buy the pacifica since
yeah the hb looks super good, but i can be sure that the pacifica is good
hollow girder
if you want the pacifica over the HB, then totally get the pacifica
left bane
i found a yamaha pacifica that looks nearly identical to bocchi's but outta my b...
Bocchi’s is a 611
long sluice
and i don't feel like getting the guitar checked
hollow girder
fair
long sluice
Bocchi’s is a 611
yea i know that
left bane
Just with an aftermarket pick guard ($10)
left bane
Go figure
long sluice
also speaking of pickguards, do i really have to cut all the strings off to replace it?
left bane
Just do it when you change strings
left bane
Just a heads up, I would budget in a visit to the store with any guitar you get
It’s still going to need a setup
If you’re handy you can probably manage it yourself, but there’s a bit of a learning curve
left bane
Adjusting string height (action), neck curvature (relief) and cleaning up the fret ends (they can start to sprout out of the wood if humidity changes)
left bane
1 and 2 you can, 3 probably won’t be an issue
long sluice
i'll go to a store with it if i can
but i'm not sure since the only guitar stores are quite far
probably all the questions i needed to ask
thanks a lot
crimson shadow
pacifica 112 imo still
long sluice
pacifica 112 imo still
yea i'm going to a get a pacifica 112J
it's not that much more expensive than a 012 so why not
hollow girder
good idea
modest cliff
Another bochi enthusiast n00b here
The set ups are totally worth it please take it as soon as you can
graceful tinsel
it's not that much more expensive than a 012 so why not
good choice
long sluice
good choice
is it really that much better? they're almost the same price
left bane
what's the difference
Better tuners and alnico pickups
long sluice
ah
graceful tinsel
I would like to explain here
"alnico pickups" does not mean "better". You will find many high end pickups with neodymium or ceramic magnets
the thing here is that cheap ceramic pickups are almost always trash, trash trash
left bane
"alnico pickups" does not mean "better". You will find many high end pickups wit...
I will fight ceramic to my dying breath 
long sluice
the thing here is that cheap ceramic pickups are almost always trash, trash ***t...
makes sense
graceful tinsel
I will fight ceramic to my dying breath <:pepegoth:839380520861040660>
my H3 and H1 set begs to differ
long sluice
it's pretty confusing isn't it..
left bane
It's both better and worse than ibanez
Japanese guitar manufacturers in general are allergic to names
meanwhile in ibanez land
long sluice
waiting for the yamaha 611FJLMVIIKS
graceful tinsel
It's both better and worse than ibanez
Ibanez' normal lines makes sense, but venture out of that and it's just...
long sluice
meanwhile in ibanez land
isn't that even worse???
graceful tinsel
wtf even
left bane
wtf even
i swear once they start raising prices they feel a need to also start adding numbers so you feel like you're getting your money worth
long sluice
not sure if that works..
left bane
idk the rg8870 is is definitely at least 16 times better than the rg550
graceful tinsel
meanwhile in ibanez land
ok so that's an RG downtuned (longer scale model), 4th prestge tier, no pickguard, 7 string
I forgot what the 2 is other than "no pickguard"
no clue what R is
left bane
there are prestige tiers now?
left bane
graceful tinsel
the lower the number, the plainer it looks
left bane
well now my AZ feels terrible
graceful tinsel
at least that's how it was
back when they had like the 1550, 2550, 3550 etc
idk what they're even doing now
long sluice
guitars are confusing
graceful tinsel
well now my AZ feels terrible
az are honestly just J Custom that look less cool
if Ibanez ever makes a J Custom AZ it's gonna reach suhr prices
left bane
I demand they add 3000 to my model number
so that it's at least on par with the RGs that cost the same
graceful tinsel
tbh an RG that costs the same as a higher priced (read: artist) AZ are J Custom 
anyways back on topic, just check which 112 is the coolest
don't worry about the pickups
that shit's replaceable
left bane
tbh an RG that costs the same as a higher priced (read: artist) AZ are J Custom ...
Ibanez has peaked, we've hit the 24th tier of prestige
long sluice
Ibanez has peaked, we've hit the 24th tier of prestige
it looks pretty good
graceful tinsel
idek why the 22 fret models are 2204 and 24 fret models are 2402 tho
like wtf are those 02 and 04 for?
left bane
so the numbers don't feel too short for the price
graceful tinsel
Actually no
I do know
it's pickguard and non pickguard, HH vs HSS
because they did make the 22 fret HH model under 2202 iirc
left bane
yeah that seems to match
graceful tinsel
short lived tho
left bane
i have a 2204, pretty great even if I miss the 2 extra frets once in awhile