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copper monolith
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⚡️ NASA condemns Russia for using space station to spread propaganda.

NASA condemned Russian space agency Roscosmos for publishing a photo of cosmonauts posing with flags used by Russian proxies to represent Russian-occupied regions of Ukraine’s Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.

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NASA said it “strongly rebukes using the International Space Station for political purposes to support its (Russia’s) war against Ukraine.”

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⚡️ Institute for the Study of War: Russia takes ‘operational pause’ to recover combat abilities.

The ISW confirmed its assessment that Russia is undergoing an “operational pause,” meaning it will likely ease its offensives in Ukraine to ameliorate conditions for a future attack.

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Russia is also reportedly continuing to assemble ad hoc volunteer units to make up for the loss of personnel in Ukraine.

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# copper monolith https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1545264012396531712?t=L2ZLMcegJJNK29h...

Answering to the NASA statement about Russia using the ISS for propaganda purposes, @Rogozin wrote in his Telegram channel: "We will do in the Russian segment everything what we consider necessary and useful. And I advise Western partners to cancel their stupid sanctions."

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clear creek
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Is the Russian gov expecting to land into Alaska and the state just rendering cuz they magically recognise the Russian claim to the land?

fierce arch
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there's like 10 people that speak russian in alaska

scarlet crown
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Basically empty threats, don't give them attention

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schizo

copper monolith
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Dementia

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hollow hollow
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there's a reason why we have f-22s stationed in alaska

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even if they had enough of their glorified parade float su-57s to try an air attack, they'd be no match for the f-22s

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also speaking of the su-57, i love how russia passes of their inability to create stealth aircraft as "intentional" because "stealth will eventually become obsolete so we won't even invest in it"

lilac sparrow
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Eventually yes, but we are talking about the far future where instead of sending blips out to locate objects in the sky we find displacements in the air or something along those lines

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If we can detect their aircraft though with our current level of technology then that’s still going to work in our favor

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lmfao

lilac sparrow
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They probably mean that 5th gen will be useless when they make an AI driven or a UAV fighter which would more than likely be the next generation of fighters

split aurora
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Tacticool flip flops 😎

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pfffft

hollow hollow
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they claim their new s-500s can see the f-35 but i doubt that

split aurora
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nevermind!

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hollow hollow
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burger land is sending four more himars and additional 155mm shells among other things. i’ve heard the shells are the excalibur gps guided variant, if true that’s very poggies https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3087750/400-million-in-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

U.S. Department of Defense

The Defense Department announced the authorization of a Presidential Drawdown of security assistance valued at up to $400 million to meet critical needs for Ukraine's fight.

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I'm hoping Penny Mordaunt wins

scarlet crown
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who's that

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I'd say with Wallace gone

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Sunak, former chancellor

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and Mordaunt, former holder of various ministerial/cabinet positions

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and the 2 front runners

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sunak is more known, penny is more popular with the youth due to being more lgbt-friendly

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Tugendhat seems a bit of an early favourite because tbh he's had his campaign ready a while

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Other than everyone you've mentioned, I'd say Jeremy Hunt is also a big contender who's a bit more left-wing so should hopefully still help in Ukraine

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he's had his campaign ready, but he's a backbench nobody

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relatively speaking

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Sunaks campaign website is over 6months old

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so not just him has been plotting

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Ah. Yeah, I saw that with Sunak, I guess even he could see that the ship had sailed then

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hollow hollow
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the hind is such a badass heli

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rare british W

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lol

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lmfao

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wow

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hollow hollow
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they got m270s now? nice

gusty tendon
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Now that we know about the corruption of Russia, does that make the Armata a terrible tank?

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Im personally in full support of unmanned turrets

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the armata was already a terrible tank because it was way too expensive for russia to ever mass produce, even before the invasion

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also it’s broken down twice during victory day parades lmfaooo

gusty tendon
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Ik

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But unmanned turrets are the future imo

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Doesn’t the new panther have an unmanned turret feature or am I dumb

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unmanned turrets are great and all, but when the tank is so expensive that you can barely afford to produce any it doesn’t really matter

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hollow hollow
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exactly

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i’m talking about the armata, not unmanned turrets in general

gusty tendon
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Armata is pretty bad

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also the armata still has weak russian armor that relies in single-use ERA

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a completely unproven aps

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It’s decent on paper but that doesn’t mean shit

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exactly, russia can claim it’s the greatest thing ever all they want but if it can’t reliably stop a javelin or 120mm round it means nothing

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and we don’t know if it can

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say what you want about abrams, it may be old but the us knows exactly how it’ll perform

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Upgrades can’t be done forever

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yeah i’ve heard the replacement is in the early stages of development

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but i mean very early

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I’ve heard too

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I’m hoping that ETC gun tech gets better

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Those things can be terrifyingly deadly

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it's blurry but the back of the turret strongly resembles the bustle rack on the t-90m

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leaden grove
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yum

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you asked - you got it

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green means good, so obviously green bread is good

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scarlet crown
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Classic russos: break the entire fucking city and paint the sign like it's mission accomplished

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heard one when i was cleaning the house

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russia moment

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pls

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If you want generally well researched videos about the Ukraine situation, watch perun.

copper monolith
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me, who's been posting his videos every time he made one catcute

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forgor to post yesterday's vid as I didn't have time to watch myslef https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMEpxX7rS5I

Sponsored by Private Internet Access: https://privateinternetaccess.com/Perun

As always - check pinned comment for any additional caveats or comments

We've talked a lot about the weaknesses of the Russian army in the past, including the difficulties it has faced attempting a war of rapid maneuver in February and March and bringing sufficie...

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# split aurora pls

I hope it passes, but i feel like there'll be a pr big backlash from people

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😔

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Tbf, @scarlet crown it might well be required by the EU

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and I imagine for most people wanting to join the EU outweighs the backlash?

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(though I'm just guessing there, no data on that)

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Definitely, though haven't heard that legalised homosexual marriage is a requirement

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Petition was created by just citizens

split aurora
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Human rights, lgbt rights, democracy etc.

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(The democracy aspect being the main thing stopping Turkey, for example)

scarlet crown
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Then yea, i think it'll outweigh that

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and the EU often requires nations wishing to join to make certain reforms before admission

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both to meet the aspects, and for cohesiveness in the block

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nice

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i wonder if they’d ever bring any of that stuff to america, probably not but i’d love to see it

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the US probably got the most intact latest Russian equipment bannyP

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yeah i’m sure they’re sending some captured stuff for the dod to analyze, i meant i hope they send the destroyed/captured stuff and put it on display for people to see

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split aurora
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Thats one hell of a mushroom cloud

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lol. lmao.

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12days from simping for putin to being charged with massive fraud

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Good job m8

copper monolith
copper monolith
# gusty tendon Why are there so many clowns

Mostly tankies or far rightoids that gobble up everything russian media says because they think it's way more trustworthy than western, or just dislike american imperialism without acknowledging that russian imperialism is as bad

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copper monolith
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primarily because russia finances them heavily

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hahaha

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They really fucking used papyrus

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Omg is that a reference go under tale!!!

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⚡️The Spanish Ministry of Defense approved the transfer of 10 Leopard 2A4 tanks and 20 M113 armored personnel carriers to Ukraine, writes the Spanish edition of Infodefense.

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pffft

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I'm sorry but that joke is pretty funny tbh

gusty tendon
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Valentin u r definitely carrying this thread

scarlet crown
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Yeah it isn't as lively as it used to be

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kinda shows how the whole trend for this war ended

gusty tendon
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It’s because the war basically turned into a trench war

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Because both sides lack the required tank firepower and defense capabilities

scarlet crown
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That and the fact that people across the globe got tired of it

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Good thing is that we're still getting funds and support from many officials of different countries

gusty tendon
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Yeah arty war

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with each day being a few succesful tries at fucking demolishing russos ammunition storages

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I'd personally say that we reached a tilting point in all this, with cases slowly turning in benefit for Ukraine

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There might even be a counter-offensive to take Kherson back later this summer

gusty tendon
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The war has been in a standstill for a while now

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I still think tanks aren’t obsolete

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this war just shows you cant go

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"haha tank go brrr" and throw 1000 tanks at the enemy

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they need to be integrated with infantry and friendly air

copper monolith
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ye tanks aren't battlefield carriers, but just a cog in the army

gusty tendon
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Like every other tool

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I see people on twitter wanting to disband all tank units

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And it’s draining me

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couch strategists

gusty tendon
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They are so dumb

hollow hollow
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i stand by my past statements that an armored box with a huge gun on the front will never be obsolete

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viral junco
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tanks are fuel guzzlers now

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its the air that is the more crucial battle now

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and the fight against the air

hollow hollow
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that may be true but tanks will always be important for ground warfare

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the only "air warfare" going on right now is russian bombers launching cruise missiles from within russia, ukrainian bombers occasionally attacking russian positions, and sometimes helicopters providing cas

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it really isn't a huge part of this conflict

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The fact neither side has gained superiority is huge

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Day 1, Hotmolsted Airport, whoever you write it

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if russia had air superiority

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they'd have a huge army landed in and rolling into kyiv before anyone knew what was happening

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the gulf war was a masterclass on how to use air power properly, if the russians knew what they were doing, ukraine would've been like that

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ukranian air prevented russia landing their transport planes

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soo couldn't get reinforcement troops or heavy vehicles

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so it was just encircled paratroopers

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hence me saying the whole

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against the air thing

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true that

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ukraine appears to already be using the precision gps-guided shells sent by america for the m777 https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1547230531833716736

#Ukraine: For the first time, a complete M777A2 howitzer was spotted in the hands of the Ukrainian army- unlike the others this one has a full digitization set including GPS & PIK meaning it can fully employ all the advantages of the A2 upgrade, such as GPS guided projectiles.

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Idk about that, tanks were introduced so late that they didn’t get a good grasp on tank warfare in conjunction with air and ground forces, there were no good anti tank rifles as well and tanks were not as well armored as they were on the lead up to WWII

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hard to talk about learned lessons when their military tactic has been nothing but "idfk just send as many people as we have there, that'll do it"

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lilac sparrow
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Also, I don’t think their tactics were wrong just misplaced, last tank battle we’ve seen was back in Iraq where there was no infantry support in that battle and it was a decisive victory for the better armed side

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They probably took the that battle and tried to apply it

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Not realizing infantry technology has developed so far that a single soldier with barely any training can take out a well disciplined and trained tank crew with extreme lethality

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It’s like the tactics of gunpowder all over again, much like how a peasant can be trained to use a musket and take out a knight the next day, a single soldier can be trained in a single day and take out a well trained tank crew the next

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If Iraq had even a fraction of what we gave Ukraine, and the soldiers the same level of training, I don’t think desert storm would have been such a quick war

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Also

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Air superiority

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In Iraq the coalition had air superiority, in Ukraine, it was mixed

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aircraft support helps tanks massively

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through targeting and general suppression of enemy units wanting to combat the tanks

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an infantry rifle could do it, then the armour got too thick, then they made a bigger rifle, then the armour got too thick

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From the days of the tankgewehr to the boys anti-tank rifle, to shaped charge like the bazooka and super bazooka, till the modern day with javelin and such

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if the coalition. tried to conquer an iraqi city with pure tanks and no infantry, it'd go terribly I'd imagine

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👁️

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surveillance drone

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they’ve had drones out there for like the entire conflict

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ik

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didn't see one being this far up

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the fuck

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I hope he goes to the front lines for some pr stunt

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and gets shelled

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same

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though tbh the new guy would probably not be any different and continue destroying roscosmos' standing

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oh yea

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⚡️⚡️Russian missiles hit downtown Vinnytsia, people killed, injured.

According to preliminary reports, a cultural site was hit in downtown Vinnytsia. Governor Serhiy Borzov confirmed that there are casualties.

A fire broke out as a result of the attack.

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According to the National Police, at least two people, including a child, are killed and six are injured.

Video: Anton Gerashchenko / Telegram

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lmao

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hahaha

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They probably won't, but it's a good meme

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Anything would be better than a statue to her

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It's like having a statue to Hitler in the middle of Israel

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also, you may remember that a few months ago, ukraine captured a rare t-80uk tank, apparently it's still in service with the 93rd mechanized brigade https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1547673250880110592/photo/1

#Ukraine: A very rare Russian T-80UK tank is still successfully used by the 93rd Mechanized Brigade of Ukraine after being captured 4 months ago.
T-80UK is a commander version of T-80U which has a Shtora-1 APS, thermal sight and navigation system installed.

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assuming this is the same tank, it's survived for nearly four months

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Fucking bastards

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thank you red cross

viral junco
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What the fuck

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yikes

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deleted my previous message because i misunderstood what was happening

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Not just a school, but a university of ship building

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Call it a revenge for Vinnitsa

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Миколаїв: внаслідок ранкового ракетного обстрілу:

🔸пошкоджено 2 навчальні заклади;

🔸сталось часткове руйнування будівель;

🔸виникла пожежа двох автомобілів;

🔸вогнеборці загасили пожежу на загальній площі 100 кв. м.

Джерело: ДСНС

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There's some mentions of british pow Paul Urie getting executed in DPR. Russian forces claim he died of "chronic illness and stress". Waiting for western outlets to post

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Yeah they def killed him

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Doesn't he have his own fastfood chain "blackstar burger"?

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Huh, didn't know that

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Fucking terrorists

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@copper monolith @scarlet crown He wasn't even a soldier, he was a humanitarian aid worker

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fuck sake

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lilac sparrow
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That’s messed up

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rumour is that he'll be "curating Donbass"

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so I don't think it's messed up to want that to happen to him

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  • he's a neonazi
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lilac sparrow
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I couldn’t give a shit what happens to a Russian

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Well the higher ranking officers that is

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OH

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sorry

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Lol

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casually stands in an empty field with a cellphone recording next to a clearly marked military vehicles, while shells rain down around him

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FUUUCK

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@copper monolith

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meanwhile, ukraine now has its first confirmed delivery of an m270 mlrs, essentially a himars that’s armored, tracked, and carrying double the rockets https://mobile.twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1547965132000530434?cxt=HHwWhMComcGFvfsqAAAA

Long Hand Family of #UAarmy has been enlarged: the first MLRS M270 have arrived!
They will be good company for #HIMARS on the battlefield.
Thank you to our partners .
No mercy for the enemy.

*Photo by @SkyNews

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of course, if they’re announcing this now, they’ve likely already been in ukraine for a week or two

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one more thing, today i noticed a couple of the ucf frat houses are flying ukrainian flags. surprisingly based for frat houses imo

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i am annoyed, my friend was sent to romania the other day and even though i volunteered to go as well, i wasnt

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Yikes. Exiled U.S. conspiracy theorist John Dougan has apparently interviewed Aiden Aslin, the captured UK volunteer soldier now awaiting execution in the DNR. This footage of Aslin singing the Russian national anthem is chilling. Presumably he hopes this will keep him alive?

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Never forget

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Never forgive

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so many different lives

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that hurts

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Concerning!

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shit...

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From the line, I'd guess it's more likely not an attack

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The 180 appears to be an attempt to return to Nis, before then later after reaching land turning to nearest available airfield and descending rapidly

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If there was an attack, you'd assume they would immediately divert to nearest NATO airfield

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as far as i know, no russian jet or sam has anywhere near enough range to hit a target in that area, so it's likely just an accident or something

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mhmm :(

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unless a ship somehow got hit, which is incredibly unlikely

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(take this with a grain of salt, I'll try find the newspaper)

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although i wouldn't be surprised to hear russian news outlets claiming this was the result of some cutting edge experimental weapon like a dew or hypersonic air-air missile

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malaysia arlines flight mh17 was shot down 8 years ago today by the separatists

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I remember when Russian media would spend months saying "ackchually it was ukrainian forces, they thought they were gonna shoot down putin's plane"

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Our flight to turkey was about a week after it happened, and due to the shooting down, all airlines avoided going into Ukrainian airspace for a while

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of course

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🎻

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🪦

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I’m honestly surprised that Russia still has tanks left

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They have like over 10k in various states of use

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Mostly from soviet times

viral junco
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vintage oppression tanks

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though the amount they could actually use is more likely In the 2-5k range

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iirc there's about 850 visually confirmed kills

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assume the real is say, 50% higher, and you've made a big dent, but certainly not wiped them put5

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Ye

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but you can combine multiple non functioning into a functioning

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At least years of repair to get their tank fleet up to full power

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Probably more

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Гвардієць Національної гвардії України в складі Сил оборони знищив ще один ворожий штурмовик Су-25 за допомогою ПЗРК "Ігла"
Зараз на рахунку гвардійця вже 6 ворожих літаків СУ-25 та одна крилата ракета окупантів.
Пишаємося нашим захисниками та чекаємо на нові знищені ворожі цілі!

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A video published by President's Office Head Andriy Yermak shows the U.S.-made HIMARS rocket launcher destroying a target in Ukraine’s south.

“Another Russian arms depot destroyed,” Yermak wrote.

Video: Andriy Yermak / Telegram

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borb

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heartwrenching

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Before February 24th, there probably weren't many Western commentators that would have bet on a post-soviet state of 9 million people taking on a significant strategic role in deciding the fate of Ukraine and European security. But these are strange times, and following a call in the comments of a previous video, I've decided to look at the cur...

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i’m curious to hear the uk’s take on russian aircraft losses, ulraine claims they’re shot down hundreds of helis and jets but last i checked oryx has less than 100 russian helis and jets combined

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of course, aircraft kills are probably on average harder to visually confirm than vehicle kills, but still

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arguing that this would not solve Germany’s energy needs.

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How the fuck would it not???

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You need energy, nuclear plants make energy

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The germans annoy me sometimes

hollow hollow
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bro only america is supposed to reject nuclear power, what is you doing : (

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haven't kept up with the situation in a while

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to me it seems kinda dumb how countries are placing 900 sanctions on Russia and sending military aid to Ukraine

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when the money should be going to civilians that are suffering the most

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saw in the news the other day that a lot of people who fled Ukraine when the conflict got intense, are being forced back

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because they don't have the money to live abroad

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is this true?

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because if so, sounds stupid as fuck to me how a bunch of money goes into military aid yet civilians aren't getting it

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I'm sure it's a lot more complicated than I realise, just wanted to know more so here I am asking questions

leaden grove
# stark harness when the money should be going to civilians that are suffering the most

I‘m just going to respond to this in a couple of paragraphs:

  1. Military vs civilian aid
    Even if civilian aid doesn’t receive nearly as much attention in the media, a lot of countries have and are providing financial support to the Ukrainian government. Wars are very expensive, and ultimately soldiers, but also public services like schools, fire departments, hospitals etc. need to be paid for. The Ukrainian government is running low on cash, but at least for now most public services seem to be operating to the extent made by possible by the war
leaden grove
# stark harness is this true?

Some people do return, yes, both because they choose to and because they‘re not given adequate support in the country they‘ve fled to. Ultimately that‘s very much an issue worth discussing, but a lot of it is due to unnecessary bureaucracy and oversight

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The thing about military aid and civilian aid is that they go hand in hand

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The hardships of the current situation won’t stop if Russia wins, they‘ll only get worse

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And ultimately the only thing keeping Russia from advancing further is the military

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You can’t just throw money at something without addressing the root cause

stark harness
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I have trouble understanding things like this so the simplified yet still informative paragraphs were much appreciated

leaden grove
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I‘d also like to add that getting aid to Russian-occupied territories has proven to be very difficult in the past

stark harness
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Ah… that’s a shame

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Fucking Russia

leaden grove
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And then there’s also the whole issue of people being forced into filtrations camps and then being sent to various places in Russia with their preferences being ignored

split aurora
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Russia heavily restricts access to NGOs and humanitarian aid groups

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And occasionally violently cracks down on them

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So its very hard to provide aid in occupied areas

scarlet crown
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A British humanitarian aid worker recently died in detention of the breakaway donbass states... very likely by their hand

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They claim he died from "sickness and stress"

If he was actually sick, and you cared about saving his life... you'd have handed him over to the British embassy

scarlet crown
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Paul Urie, yes

split aurora
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At very best he died from negligence and refusal to care

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Most likely he died with a bullet in his head

scarlet crown
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It was most definitely another case of russian near-death torture, but when the guy dies they do their classic "i don't know what happened, wasn't me"

zinc talon
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This is just depressing

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copper monolith
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copper monolith
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beyond parody

viral junco
# copper monolith beyond parody

there was a woman in another video afaik that talked about how the family got nothing for his death
this is at his home and lo and behold there is a fridge with a ukranian warranty

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it is in siberia also

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thieving little bastard stole it

copper monolith
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again, beyond parody

scarlet crown
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utter madness

stark inlet
copper monolith
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they probably had a bunch of cars in stock cuz they're so fucking shit and barely anyone bought them

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fierce arch
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not surprising its switzerland

split aurora
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mhm

steady matrix
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I know that it’s Switzerland but it’s just sort of depressing seeing how far their government and banks going to appease fascists.

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In some situations, neutrality stops being a good course of action

fierce arch
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switzerland is ridiculously committed to neutrality

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i can kind of understand why they'd do this from a foreign policy perspective

hollow hollow
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i said this once before, switzerland is a prime example of why some people, myself included, tend to hate neutrality in big issues like this

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because in clear-cut good vs evil conflicts like this one, they pretend that one side somehow isn't significantly worse than the other

split aurora
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Problem is

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In this world

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You can't survive as a nation, always supporting moral causes

hollow hollow
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yeah i know but that doesn't make it any less infuriating

split aurora
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yeah

hollow hollow
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like with finalnd and sweden having to appease turkey to join nato

leaden grove
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Turkey has yet to ratify their NATO bid too

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hollow hollow
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yeah in ww2 it made sense because they had a real reason to be afraid of siding with the allies

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but the thing is this isn't ww2, russia isn't exactly breathing down their necks with arguably the world's strongest military rn

split aurora
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If they were to change neutrality for morality

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They'd have to apply morality equally

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which would put them at odds with NATO from time to time

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And if they only cared about morality in times when they aren't opposing NATO... they become a NATO pawn

hollow hollow
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i don't really care if they want to oppose nato, i'd rather that than their holier than thou neutrality act

split aurora
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So switzerland either has to become a pawn, or keep its hard neutrality

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It's shite but i's the way our geopolitical world is setup :/

hollow hollow
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wait how can they not oppose nato? not disputing, just curious

split aurora
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Well because what happens when America hears switzerland is providing medical aid to soldiers fighting NATO, or fighting NATO-aligned nations (EG: the moral stance would be to help Yemen, against nato-aligned saudi arabia)

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Most likely america slams sanctions and diplomatic pressure switzerland can't really afford

hollow hollow
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ok that makes sense, didn't think of that

split aurora
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It's a tricky situation

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And I 100% get the frustration

lilac sparrow
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Let the Swiss stay neutral, it’s not their war to fight. neutrality worked for them so far, even while they were bordering the very nations at war with one another in both WWI and WWII

hollow hollow
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also i won't claim to know too much about this topic but i've heard a lot of people who seem fairly credible saying stuff about switzerland's continued neutrality also being due to corruption and unwillingness to go against the russians who have influence there or something

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idk wouldn't surprise me

lilac sparrow
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Sounds more like jingoism, if you can’t convince a nation to aid in the war, call them out for being corrupt and being under the influence of the enemy

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Rather NATO’s near-peer threat

hollow hollow
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i mean their banking sector doesn't exactly have a clear track record to say the least

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again i won't claim to be an expert on this stuff but the information i've read seems pretty credible

lilac sparrow
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I feel like banking and bad history with not so ideal clients go hand and hand

hollow hollow
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idk, ever since i looked into the whole banking corruption thing i haven’t exactly been sold on the whole “switzerland is a morally invincible paragon” narrative that some people push (not saying you do, saying some other people do)

limber jolt
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They’re not some morally invincible paragon, they’re just neutral

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hollow hollow
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again, no one here

split aurora
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also the way switzerlands welfare treats poor people, thats a fucking yikes, and definitely shatters any perception of moral invincibility

split aurora
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Limits on leaving the country, control of all income, forcing people to work manual labour for $100 per month, and every penny in welfare is debt to the state

copper monolith
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unreal path
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One by one more join the EU and/or NATO

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That’s a nice face

viral junco
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hollow hollow
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sure would be a shame if someone were to accidentally eject him into the vacuum of space... just saying

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what in the actual hell

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isn't that the same crew that arrived in blue-yellow costumes

copper monolith
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yes

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and then unfurled the fake state flags

hollow hollow
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a russian hind was also seen patrolling the area, presumably looking for the pilot

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copper monolith
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Узнал, что 35 и 55 это сейчас цифры протеста. Их пишут на стенах и заборах. Потому что 35 - это 3 и 5 букв в слове, то есть "х** войне" и "путин х**ло" соответственно.

Теперь вы тоже это знаете

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⚡️Reuters: Russia threatens Wikipedia for hosting information about Ukraine invasion.

Russian state communications regulator Roskomnadzor said links to Wikipedia about Russia's war in Ukraine would have a disclaimer telling users the Wikimedia Foundation violated Russian law.

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The Wikimedia Foundation, Wikipedia's parent company, is fighting a Russian court decision demanding it remove information about its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

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stable girder
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ah yes, totally not wrong at all compelrttly fine noone is in the wrong

hollow hollow
copper monolith
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😳

fierce arch
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win win

copper monolith
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new rare OTR video, and since most of the team is Russian, their Russian fanbase is shitting and pissing all over the comment section

hollow hollow
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Василина - Джавеліне. Присвячується всім військовим, які героїчно боронять Україну.

Текст:

Біля хати Джавеліни хлопці заряджали,
Орків валять ці ракети як святі кинджали.
Хай вертаються до дому, нахуй з кораблями!
Що ж ти робиш Джавеліне з тими москалями?

Як стріляють Джавеліни, ворог швидко гине,
Джавеліне, Джавеліне, любий Джавеліне!...

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i love how the tank in the back was like “nope, i’m fuckin outta here” after the other went up in flames lmao

hollow hollow
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saw it in the replies

copper monolith
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same

split aurora
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10/10 good job lads

only about 10 of these very new planes have been built.... and you can only build about one a month for $50mn each.... and you just shot it down

copper monolith
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wasnt tht a few days ago

split aurora
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yes

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i dont check here too often it might have been posted

copper monolith
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ye it was

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still get rekt ruzzia

hollow hollow
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they thought it was an airliner

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the su34 is the mega bloks version of the f15e

split aurora
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is there evidence of this?

hollow hollow
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wasn’t being serious

split aurora
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oh fair

hollow hollow
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it also looks like a su-27 that spent a bit too much time next to a nuclear reactor

wicked panther
viral junco
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also "if a cap is put in the thing will not work" sounds like "dont do it please please please"

copper monolith
nocturne osprey
stark inlet
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brrrrrrrrrr

copper monolith
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do it asap pls

hollow hollow
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the best part about that is it might finally get internet nerds to shut up about "get rid of the f35 and modernize the a10 lmao"

lilac sparrow
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The a10 was designed to be used against Russian tanks in a war that never came, that would be amazing to finally see them used

copper monolith
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so much for tankies being like "lol most HIMARS have been destroyed loool"

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There have been reports that Russian volunteer forces are only receiving days of training before being sent to Ukraine https://t.co/CPwHoaCaXm

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BAYRAKTAR 🇺🇦🤝🇹🇷

A new chant in tribute to the unmanned Turkish made drones that 🇺🇦🪖 have been using in the War rang out around the LKS Stadium in Łódź last night by Dynamo fans!

A sign of respect and thanks to their Turkish opponents & fans - Fenerbahce during UCL 2QR tie

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can’t tell if it’s supposed to be pro- or anti-shootdown

copper monolith
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it won't load 😔

leaden grove
copper monolith
hollow hollow
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it’s obv meant to be mh17, can’t tell if it’s celebrating or mourning it tho

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the same guy uploaded something a couple months ago that was pretty clearly anti-invasion so i’m guessing it’s the latter

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copper monolith
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ah

scarlet crown
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