yeah, Yemen etc.
#the_ukraine_situation
leaden grove
split aurora
The war in Yemen has been going on since 2014
lofty heart
There's also the azerbaijan-armenian conflict
ebon creek
I heard about Yemen but I never did too much digging on it
lofty heart
Got particularly bad during covid though
scarlet crown
that ones been going on for 34years
but recently got a boost after russian peacekeepers were sent here
split aurora
yeah, it turned from skirmish into a full blown military invasion
and a significant seizure or territory
leaden grove
Yemen is just a mess at this point, basically there's two governments fighting each other for legitimacy, one of which is being supported by various states including Saudi-Arabia, which also conducts aerial bombing campaigns there, while the other is based on an Islamist movement called the Houthi movement
And then on top of that there's also Al-Qaeda being active in the region
split aurora
and in excess of 1/4 million people, the vast majority of which civilian, have lost their life in the conflict
its awful
ebon creek
I discovered it via the flag emojis section as a kid and I thought it was one of those niche, unheard of countries. I just googled “is it safe to visit blank” for fun and put yemen in the search bar because I was curious. It said Yemen was one of the most unsafe places in the word to visit right now
ebon creek
What about north korea?
split aurora
North Korea is safer
leaden grove
North Korea is a dictatorship but not at war with anyone
lofty heart
North Korea isn't at war
ebon creek
Gotcha
split aurora
The vast majority of western tourists that go to north korea safely leave
split aurora
North Korea isn't at war
Welll, theres still occasional conflicts on the border, but they are very low scale
lofty heart
True
leaden grove
You have to be careful when you visit in order not to break any laws, but you don't really have to worry about your personal safety that much
lofty heart
But still
hollow hollow
idk why anyone would want to go to nk, it's so depressing and you only see what they want you to see
ebon creek
And then on top of that there's also Al-Qaeda being active in the region
Al-Qaeda is still a thing? I thought they were caught after 9-11
split aurora
Al-Qaeda is still absolutely a thing
hollow hollow
america moment
split aurora
the "war on terror" was one of the largest failures in modern military history
leaden grove
Al-Qaeda is a network of different terrorist groups
split aurora
all it did was create power vacuums
leaden grove
The one you're referring to was indeed more or less caught
ebon creek
Al-Qaeda is a network of different terrorist groups
Oh i thought it was just one group
leaden grove
But the one in Yemen is a spin-off called "Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula"
leaden grove
Oh i thought it was just one group
they're all loosely connected
This sub-group was only formed in 2009
ebon creek
Is Yemen still communist?
split aurora
no
ebon creek
Oh
leaden grove
There was only one party, but it's nationalist
split aurora
ebon creek
Ah
hollow hollow
any chance that war ends soon?
split aurora
no
ebon creek
Hopefully
hollow hollow
or is it like a syria situation
split aurora
yemen
ebon creek
Ah
leaden grove
Oh wait we talking about the russo-ukraine war or the yemen war
As for the former, I have some hope
leaden grove
The proposals I've heard today are very good, but I'm not sure how the Russians or the other countries mentioned will react to this
ebon creek
Bye
leaden grove
Have fun!
split aurora
cya
scarlet crown
The proposals I've heard today are very good, but I'm not sure how the Russians ...
we only have to wait, but the signs are definitely good
leaden grove
I doubt the German government would agree to ratify such a proposal tbh
Poland is likely to say yes
scarlet crown
still not trusting them with the whole deal of laying off Chernihiv and Kyiv
lofty heart
What's the proposal again?
leaden grove
it's a ten point plan
in a nutshell: neutrality for Ukraine + EU membership, and Ukraine's security is guaranteed by other countries who legally agree to intervene in case of another attack
hollow hollow
I doubt the German government would agree to ratify such a proposal tbh
why wouldn't they?
leaden grove
According to the proposal, Russia and Ukraine also agree to solve the issues regarding the Donbas and Crimea in a peaceful manner and vow not to use military force
scarlet crown
According to the proposal, Russia and Ukraine also agree to solve the issues reg...
for 15 fucking years dude
split aurora
Russia doesn't know how to do things in a peaceful manner
scarlet crown
i wouldn't trust them on a single claim
hell, I doubt we'll even see the same negotiators from it again
leaden grove
why wouldn't they?
Because signing the agreement basically means agreeing to intervene using your own troops since the proposal explicitly mentions a no-fly zone, and Chancellor Scholz has opposed almost every single measure so far
hollow hollow
i wouldn't trust them on a single claim
at this point i think ukraine should take what they can get and hope they can stop whatever shit russia tries to pull
scarlet crown
as far as I see it, we could settle for peace negotiations about Crimea, but if situation gets handy, we might go and take Donbas with force
leaden grove
I doubt that would work
But I think that Russia must be forced to leave Ukrainian territory except for Crimea and also be forced to recall all paramilitary units to what the former borders of the separatist republics were
hollow hollow
at this point i think ukraine should take what they can get and hope they can st...
to clarify, i don't mean give in to whatever russia says, i mean if it looks like they're offering a good deal, take it and hope for the best
hollow hollow
yeah of course they will
leaden grove
An agreement like I mentioned before might work
scarlet crown
in a nutshell: neutrality for Ukraine + EU membership, and Ukraine's security is...
I can see this working too, yes
leaden grove
But if they just say "yeah, we'll move all our troops away and decide on a ceasefire" they'll be back in a few months or years
hollow hollow
to clarify again, i mean hope for the best but prepare for the worst. a ceasefire would make it much easier to send weapons and supplies to ukraine for future attacks
leaden grove
Weapons could be sent now too
hollow hollow
yeah but it can be done much easier when there's no bombs raining from the sky
leaden grove
of course
But short of a ceasefire, the most pressing issues are the fully sieged cities like Mariupol
I can only recommend watching this short video featuring interviews with refugees from there: https://youtu.be/Ws0mMP7uM34
It's horrible, and that's exactly why I think Macron's original plan would have made a difference: publicly announcing that troops from several countries will secure the city, communicating that to both the Russian leadership and the local officers and evacuating the city while vowing not to expand military operations beyond an agreed-upon area
leaden grove
And in my opinion it's just very weak of Macron to announce some sort of humanitarian mission only to cancel it even though nothing has changed
If he's scared of the troops being attacked, then he should say that, and not be like "oh, Putin didn't like this proposal"
leaden grove
scarlet crown
https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1508850329177268224?s=21&t=Rg7MzA3MJXWXj6E...
wish the guy would know that everyone in Mariupol and around the world wants him to go after the russian warship and to hell with it
scarlet crown
copper monolith
lmae
scarlet crown
the fact that they didn't even have a backup kills me
split aurora
the fact that they didn't even have a backup kills me
tbf they might do
but restoring systems after a massive cyber attack, especially if they are still being attacked
isnt quick or easy
viral junco
Hopefully this doesn't negatively impact the work done today
viral junco
But it is also good news yes
hollow hollow
there's something oddly beautiful about this photo
finite ridge
“It’s over Anakin, I have the high ground”
hollow hollow
this might sound weird, but i honestly kind of hope they don't repair the t-34 after all this is over. i think that with the newly sustained damage it now represents both the ongoing struggle against evil and the resilience the ukrainian people have shown against it
kind of like the sphere sculpture from the world trade center
copper monolith
Feeling real bad for the parents https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1508927677855846401?t=qSIpJ95G9baDOzbl0m1eJA&s=19
leaden grove
Just some troop deployments
The US is moving 200 marines to Lithuania, in addition to several transport planes and fighter jets
Denmark is strongly considering a deployment of 800 soldiers to the Baltic states
scarlet crown
Feeling real bad for the parents https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/150892767785...
did they actually fucking put the caskets on fucking stools
we got first volunteers in shape of previously russian soldiers, now called "free Russia" legion
scarlet crown
we got first volunteers in shape of previously russian soldiers, now called "fre...
copper monolith
did they actually fucking put the caskets on fucking stools
Liberator hometown .com moment
split aurora
this is russia making a play
it either ends in trade continuing, and the strengthening of the ruble
or europe withdraws all trade, destroying the russian economy, but also putting a significant hit on the western one
scarlet crown
there they go again with high risk high reward
https://t.me/crisis2022/5365 they left a fucking sunburner behind
copper monolith
limber wagon
scarlet crown
another footage today from Mariupol, showcasing the ruins occupants made during their "liberation"
scarlet crown
another intercepted call where russian occupants openly talk about ||r4p1ng a 16 year old|| and eating dogs
stark inlet
mighty tusk
is it true ukrainians are lynching russians
scarlet crown
No, we discussed that like few days ago
leaden grove
That’s a very vague statement
mighty tusk
i dont watch a war like a hawk and make my mental health worse
scarlet crown
It's one of the new russian orders to create and spread material discrediting ukrainian military
mighty tusk
sorry i dont see every single convo here
scarlet crown
We are treating pows well
leaden grove
There has been footage showing supposedly Russian soldiers being abused, but the investigation into that is still ongoing and it was publicly condemned
I haven’t heard of any lynching incidents in the civilian population
scarlet crown
Me neither
If the question is if ukrainians are terrorising russian civilians on territory of Ukraine, the answer is no
behold, Ukraine's newest bioweapon: the spy cat. As you can see on the victim, the cat uses his high-efficiency charm tactics to get maximum amount of intel, soon hundreds of such cats will be released to scavenge occupier columns
scarlet crown
no fucking way
limber wagon
Yes
scarlet crown
man, what a coincidence
hushed magnet
The CIA has done some batshit insane stuff
copper monolith
limber wagon
Damn, and for a moment there I thought things were kinda looking up
hushed magnet
Russia lied big surprise
limber wagon
True, but it would have been nice if they hadn't.
scarlet crown
The author of the Mariupol brand Serhiy Rodionov announced the launch of an online archive with stories of Mariupol residents who witnessed Russian war crimes It is used to document crimes and create a memorial to the victims of Russian aggression.
https://mariupol.is
viral junco
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1509039755991949316?t=w6fOrr0Sr0jK5UvLIEdWuQ...
I smell boycotts
split aurora
95% of people calling for boycotts will be people who never buy it anyway
especially with luxury brands like this
scarlet crown
boycotts are natural in this sort of case, it's just a matter of how big they really are
stark inlet
95% of people calling for boycotts will be people who never buy it anyway
I do
Well i used to at least in this case
Not gonna buy it, they got good quality chocolate but ill be fine without it
fierce arch
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1509039755991949316?t=w6fOrr0Sr0jK5UvLIEdWuQ...
i don't understand why people are mad, cutting off russia's access to chocolate wont do shit
and 7% of the companies profit
stark inlet
Tax revenue
fierce arch
for a negligible thing
fierce arch
Tax revenue
as we all know russia's primary source of income is through taxing chocolate
stark inlet
?
Taxing all sorts of products
Quitting from the market = no tax revenue = no support for the war
Its a drop in the ocean, but drops eventually make the ocean
All sorts of companies are quitting russia and ritter decided to stay there and support the war for 7% of their profits
Noone really cares if its 400 rubles or 400 million rubles, theyre contributing to it
Because if we start differentiating companies and saying 'oh, XYZ is too small so it can stay, nothings gonna change', then where do we put a line between quitting and not quitting
split aurora
soooo staying in russia means supporting the war
so does selling in the USA mean supporting every single action of the US goverment
"kinder is still selling chocolate eggs in new york therefore they must be supporting the anti-lgbt laws in texas"
the amount of performativism going on with russia is annoying
tired scaffold
"kinder is still selling chocolate eggs in new york therefore they must be suppo...
That would be a better analogy if the shit going on in Texas and Florida etc was being done by the Federal government, but it's not
split aurora
people spending hours getting angry at companies giving insignificant amount of tax money to russian govt. rather then caring about stuff that will actually help things
split aurora
That would be a better analogy if the shit going on in Texas and Florida etc was...
No, but the federal Government has the ability to stop it
or at least, attempt to stop it
Or
use a different example then
tired scaffold
I'm not super well up on how fed vs state law works in the US but I don't think it does
split aurora
"kinder is still selling chocolate eggs in new york therefore they must be supporting the US governments failure to stop climate change"
hollow hollow
also isn’t part of the rationale for boycotts to hurt the economy as much as possible? how would that help solve the texas laws?
split aurora
"kinder is still selling chocolate eggs in new york therefore they must be supporting the US governments failure to evacuate people from afghanistan"
split aurora
also isn’t part of the rationale for boycotts to hurt the economy as much as pos...
I mean, mass-boycotts from companies would stop the laws
in that they'd hurt the texan economy so much they have to reverse the decision
...which is the same as the goal in russia
hurt russias economy so much they back down from the war
hollow hollow
if every company boycotted everywhere that had issues no one would be able to do business anywhere
split aurora
and it becomes no longer worthwhile
hollow hollow
every nation has issues
split aurora
yes
hollow hollow
an invasion of a democratic and peaceful nation is on a whole other level
split aurora
I mean.... if you think Russias the only country doing that recently
I don't really know what to say
my point is that
Spending all your energy on a chocolate company over an insignificant amount of tax revenue
is pure performativism
you don't care about the revenue, you care about the aesthetics
hollow hollow
if you’re implying that iraq or afhganistan were democratic and peaceful nations idk what to say either
stark inlet
you don't care about the revenue, you care about the aesthetics
well its your opinion on what i care about
hollow hollow
the wars were shitshows but saddam and the taliban aren’t forces for good
stark inlet
...im just genuinely surprised that it still has to be explained at this point of the war
also comparing anti lgbt rights to actual shelling cities is just
Be aware that lgbt people in ukraine are being bombed as well
scarlet crown
Y'all haven't had wars happening on your territories for a good while and it shows
I can understand companies like Auchan not moving out because they're a network of supermarkets and both countries have people to feed, that's a valid reason to an extent
But when we talk about such things like Ikea, Mcdonalds, Jysk and this chocolate companies
They're not a necessity
And the least they could do to stop this genocide is move out of there
Stop sponsoring this war
leaden grove
Agreed
scarlet crown
Hell, it might seem inefficient on surface, but as birb said before: each droplet makes the ocean
leaden grove
It makes sense if some pharmaceutical company doesn’t pull out, but like you said chocolate is far from being an essential good
split aurora
(I don't disagree that they should pullout, to clarify)
scarlet crown
Then what was your point before this
split aurora
(I just don't see the amount of hours spent arguing over this as being in any way constructive, and being about aesthetics rather then results)
leaden grove
BTW Raab just ruled out the UK signing a possible treaty
leaden grove
The German government said that they would consider it, though they declined to comment on military assistance being part of a treaty
split aurora
https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1509157134021369857
UK have a morale backbone challenge (fail)
scarlet crown
(I just don't see the amount of hours spent arguing over this as being in any wa...
you don't see a point in this argument yet you decided to continue it after birb's words, go off i guess
anyways
split aurora
based
tired scaffold
UK have a morale backbone challenge (fail)
Tories have a morale backbone challenge (fail)
a bit more accurate
scarlet crown
Also apparently piracy is now legal in Russia!
was it not? Or are we talking sailing wise?
leaden grove
Nah, we‘re talking about pirating movies and the like
It‘s now legal to not only pirate them yourself, but to also resell those pirated movies
split aurora
I thought I read earlier that Russia was doing the China strategy, and ignoring international patents
lemme see if I can find that again
leaden grove
I thought I read earlier that Russia was doing the China strategy, and ignoring ...
That too
split aurora
might be mis-remembering speculation
leaden grove
split aurora
https://twitter.com/kevinrothrock/status/1509156125236776968
Efforts to get round sanctions
scarlet crown
I thought I read earlier that Russia was doing the China strategy, and ignoring ...
It's more about making knock-offs off those patents
split aurora
ye but as in
scarlet crown
https://twitter.com/kevinrothrock/status/1509156125236776968
wow
split aurora
Making knock-offs that violate patents, lega to produce
scarlet crown
yes!
split aurora
The Russian govt “legalizes” “parallel imports”: the sale of goods without the permission of copyright holders. The list will include intellectual property like movies, music, software, and “inventions.”
Now
all of these are insignificant
except the last one
Inventions
that sounds like tearing up patent law
leaden grove
Yep
split aurora
Hey guys who's getting the new RPhone 8
leaden grove
They won’t care if something is a patent violation anymore
split aurora
Presenting: MoscowSoft Rindows: The new best russian made operating system!
leaden grove
Hey guys who's getting the new RPhone 8
It comes pre-loaded with Gazprom Pay, Rossgram and a free subscription to Rossija 24 🤩
split aurora
It comes pre-loaded with Gazprom Pay, Rossgram and a free subscription to Rossij...
Don't forget, all your favourite games!
Who can forget the likes of
Vodka Crush
leaden grove
Call of the Motherland
split aurora
Flappy Stalin
split aurora
my brain is imaging putin flapping his arms to fly trying to avoid oligarchs daggers
scarlet crown
Daggers, poisonous gas, needles
split aurora
scarlet crown
behold, Ukraine's newest bioweapon: the spy cat. As you can see on the victim, t...
.
scarlet crown
new brit map
horrifying and outmost disgusting results of "russian liberation" (tw: mentions of ||r4p3||)
wicked panther
https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1509157134021369857
I doubt my government is going to send any troops
Just because they really dont have any lmao
scarlet crown
It's not about sending troops now, it's about the a treaty that was discussed yesterday on negotiations in Turkey
it basically states that Ukraine will have a neutral status, yet, if there's an invasion, countries-guarantors will have to help them with troops and close the sky
but even that is pretty vague now, considering there's already news about Kremlin changing it's mind
wicked panther
https://t.me/crisis2022/5365 they left a fucking sunburner behind
A what?
scarlet crown
a rocket complex
wicked panther
Ah i see
wicked panther
it basically states that Ukraine will have a neutral status, yet, if there's an ...
Mhm I understand
scarlet crown
which seems like not that bad of a deal, but there's still issues that need more discussion, like Crimea and Donbas
wicked panther
I support the idea that they give no land to the Russians, but as an outsider thats an easy opinion to have
wicked panther
which seems like not that bad of a deal, but there's still issues that need more...
Would Ukraine be in a situation where they could ask the crimea region back? Probably not right
scarlet crown
I'm not too competent in the sphere, but it seems like not, since it's officially tagged under territory of russian federation since the annexation back in 2014
and Peskov, despite what Medinskiy said on negotiations, today claimed that there can be no discussion about this, since the land belongs to them
which is a shitton of bullshit
wicked panther
Mhm
scarlet crown
can't do much about it and we probably won't try to take Crimea by force
but at the same time we will not stop working towards bringing it back
It belongs to Ukraine, always had
wicked panther
Quite
scarlet crown
https://t.me/ukrainenowenglish/3474 another intercepted call, worth a listen
the subtitles are not edited, this is genuine translation
disgusting
aaaand here's Lavrov already claiming that "ukrainian partners finally understood that the question of Crimea and Donbas is closed" (aka we (Ukraine) decided to let them keep them, which is false)
copper monolith
world's 2nd most punchable face after Kyselyov
scarlet crown
his face is the most carricature-like in the world
just screams "i am a corrupt politician"
split aurora
Twitter
interesting thread
Not sure how likely it is to be correct! but interesting eitherway
scarlet crown
I wouldn't be surprised, it's Russia we're talking about
wicked panther
world's 2nd most punchable face after Kyselyov
Will smith got you covered
scarlet crown
*second army of the world < ukrainian farmers (**currently on 5th place already)
split aurora
(The ranking putting them 5th was a meme post, no reflection on reality)
scarlet crown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel what about this
split aurora
what is that meant to show
also, be wary of measuring armies by purely troop numbers
by this method. north korea has a bigger army then the USA+China combined
but I know who i'd side with in a war
copper monolith
nice
scarlet crown
copper monolith
https://t.me/ukrainenowenglish/3489
bruh
clear creek
Is it just me ore did ukrain beat back the forces around Kyiv
scarlet crown
oh definitely, we've been counter attacking liberating small towns for a while
that could accelerate now after russian claims to lessen their forces in Kyiv and Chernihiv region
which they did, but it's mostly to send them to east and make us think we can let ourselves weaken down
clear creek
Keep giving them hell lets see if Putins still smirking when you take your first steps onto Belarus
copper monolith
lmao
clear creek
It woud be realy funny if this is what kils lukashenko
Remember the holl 3 day theory
viral junco
which they did, but it's mostly to send them to east and make us think we can le...
theyre mainly to buff up their forces in the east most likely
copper monolith
finna do a "referendum" with >90% in favour of joining the tsardom and forcing their population to fight Putin's war
copper monolith
the expelling continues https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1509255775159570433?s=20&t=TAnqzgo6RA_o4HgB5Vot_Q
copper monolith
buy our gas in roubles or else!
no
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1509268961225056258?t=kPxU4S_mUiR3J44jICEO1w&s=19
Twitter
molten tartan
Isn't the ISS being decomissioned in a few years due to lack of funding?
scarlet crown
split aurora
scarlet crown
the balding league
hollow hollow
i can see my reflection in there
scarlet crown
we did it guys, we found Putin's discord account
scarlet crown
the kgb has been sent to your house to reeducate you
i wrote your name on ukraine's watchlist, but with a pencil for now
lilac sparrow
https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/status/1509224974187380740?t=_emVfVeKPeXzm6DaZ-S...
that looks like the wreckage of a MI-28
could be a 24 though
but i mean, technically the helicopter stopped a missile
split aurora
Brave Russian soldiers stopping ukranian missiles!
hollow hollow
that looks like the wreckage of a MI-28
def an mi-8, the hind has a much larger tail and the mi-28 has 4 tail rotor blades
split aurora
Wait till you hear about how the Russian soldiers have been stopping evil ukranian bullets!
hollow hollow
i would love to see more dead mi-28s and hinds tho
hollow hollow
i mean tail rotor, mi-8 has 3 and mi-28 has 4
lilac sparrow
true, but that is also assuming it didnt break on hard landing
i only say it may be a 28 because the fwd chin is more angled and the aft is not as thin as the mi-8
it may be a mi-8
hollow hollow
i would love for it to be an mi-28, more of those need to be introduced to the starstreak and stinger
lilac sparrow
yea, hopefully it is, it may be a mi-8 though, wouldnt imagine russians still using them though, id imagine them phasing out older models as they are obsolete
like how the huey and kiowa were phased out in favor of the UH-60 and AH-64 longbow modifications
hollow hollow
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html this website has been tracking equipment losses in the war, it's listed as an mi-8 but they could be wrong
and from those photos, it does appear that the mi-8 is still being used in both transport and attack roles
lilac sparrow
yea, nvm the mi-8 is still in service suprisingly
hollow hollow
i'm pretty sure the hind is almost as old as the mi-8 and it's still going strong
i mean until this happens to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xCbJyh6YnU
hollow hollow
yeah it's crazy to see such a clear view of something like that
pilot died for sure, too
lilac sparrow
pilot, copilot, crew chief
hollow hollow
they had no time to respond
and that's the thing about heatseekers, you often don't know they're after you until after you've been hit
lilac sparrow
idk, most of our helicopters have early warning systems
our chinooks have two of them
hollow hollow
also the hind has gigantic exhaust pipes and for some reason the russian never use the heat suppressors made for them, so they're pretty easy targets for heatseekers
wait since when could you have warning systems for ir missiles?
today i learned
lilac sparrow
we have several cameras placed along the chinooks and two devices on either side that locks on to the approaching missile and tracks it
lilac sparrow
oh yea, anything made before 2010 would not have these systems
chinooks only have them because they carried the afghanistan logistics, making them really nice targets
idk about blackhawks or apaches
hollow hollow
i've been wondering, why do only some apaches have that vertical exhaust thing? wouldn't it be better for them all to have it?
i mean at least it's better than the mi-28, which points it exhaust down, but i still don't get it
lilac sparrow
i dont know either
from what ive seen all of the apaches redirect the exhaust upwards
i only work on chinooks
hollow hollow
chinook is good heli
lilac sparrow
you know what it could be, the ones that have the exhaust pointed upwards are the deployment setting, its probably an extra cowling that goes around the exhaust to aim it upwards, extra armor around the engines as well as heat dissipation
hollow hollow
makes sense
copper monolith
Isn't the ISS being decomissioned in a few years due to lack of funding?
It's been planned to be debited by 2030 cuz it's old as fuck, but if Russia pulls out then it'll be hard to keep it in orbit after 2025
limber wagon
copper monolith
When zelenskyy is more popular than most presidents in the us
Russia recruiting people that will beat up any resistance
Link to spotify playlist https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1509247154400997383?t=ZRKEdXduZG_8eN4OG2I-5Q&s=19
leaden grove
Twitter
copper monolith
limber wagon
So we have this far right party at the government called "forum for democracy (FVD)". They held 12/75 seats in the Senate (Eerste kamer) when they got elected. But, when it did start, the party took on a pretty blatant pro-Russian stance. In that time there have been several splits in the party, as most members did not agree with that stance. Currently they only have 1 representative left out of the original 12.
wicked panther
When the forum for democracy starts losing interest in democracy that makes sense
raven fossil
Oh god FVD is such a mess
limber wagon
Yes, Zelenksy was speaking in the house of representatives, and the only party that refused to listen to him was FVD, according to them allowing a foreign government official to speak was a 'breach in democracy' or something like that
It should also be noted that they were the only ones that refused to condemn Putin for his invasion. They also went on to call the invasion as "extremely mild"
wicked panther
Even our Vlaams Belang hasnt been that stupid to side with the Russians lmao
copper monolith
It should also be noted that they were the only ones that refused to condemn Put...
Wtf
Also lol who could've predicted https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1509447883287932928?t=XbwiZ3aPwZFIuHABe4Z1LA&s=19
raven fossil
Yes, Zelenksy was speaking in the house of representatives, and the only party t...
That people even vote for them is so crazy
limber wagon
That people even vote for them is so crazy
My dad 
copper monolith
raven fossil
My dad <a:OriDab:723401322061234199>
o no
limber wagon
Their main stances used to be basically:
Covid: fake,
EU: bad,
immigration: bad
Climate change: fake
literally every other of the 20+ political parties: corrupt undemocratic cabal
So I guess they just attracted those types of people
wicked panther
Vlaams belang is literally the same smh
Except because the Ukrainian refugees are white and christian they’re allowed to enter the country
limber wagon
New graph btw. Its getting long
stark inlet
https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/status/1509224974187380740?t=F8G5xCoglkktZywpM57...
thats the plan isnt it
Make Ukrainians spend all their AA weapons on your shitty ass choppers so then you can send in actual stuff
they need only uh
a lot of those shitty ass choppers
leaden grove
Another interesting pattern to note is how many journalists who now denounce Ukraine’s resistance have worked for Russia Today and Sputnik in the past…
copper monolith
It was already pretty hard to go through the Lithuania-Belarus border, now they, and Russia, might not get shit 👀 https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1509466753511956484?t=Vmp-qdKKyMrtupNggtIaQA&s=19
unreal path
leaden grove
Twitter
split aurora
wartime popularity boost
scarlet crown
what war? isn't this a "special operation"?
scarlet crown
ah yes, suffering to sanctions and being hated by literally everyone is the right way to go
classic russians
stone vigil
I am also certain that these results are absolutely not at all tinted towards one party
scarlet crown
everyone who was found disagreeing was probably arrested
others ran for it right after answering
stone vigil
Seems correct
split aurora
tbf it wouldn't surprise me if there is that jump in support
thing is, russia needs to win
or, appear to win
for it to stay
scarlet crown
the latter is more possible
copper monolith
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1509489496382914566?t=Eur55GHwbabAUNerBKUn...
this is what happens when u isolate a nation from non government approved news 😔
leaden grove
Twitter
The only thing that isn’t right is whatever is going on inside Putin‘s head
copper monolith
they don't want to give up their sovereignty so we will continue committing war crimes in the open, btw us biolabs pls think of that instead!
leaden grove
Also it seems like the entire Russian pay-us-in-ruble-or-else thing was just one big bluff
copper monolith
>buy our gas in roubles or else!
>no
><:capitalDcolon:447801701412372481>
https...
ye
leaden grove
<:sad:871423607195197511> they don't want to give up their sovereignty so we wil...
How dare they fight back!
viral junco
https://twitter.com/EwaLee12688037/status/1509437752420577282?t=BR2yxoIRXbLIv1P9...
Truly the intelligence of the mighty Russian forces is showing in spades
hollow hollow
https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1509489327415439360
polls like this are misleading, the vast majority of the russian population doesn’t participate in these polls as many who oppose putin are afraid of letting the government know
also the kremlin could easily just inflate the numbers however they want
leaden grove
That can skew results, but the general sentiment is correct from my experience
leaden grove
also the kremlin could easily just inflate the numbers however they want
Those numbers were published by the only independent polling agency in Russia
hollow hollow
nvm
leaden grove
I can assure you that while the exact numbers may be off by a certain margin, a lot of Russians do support Putin, even abroad
And that’s no surprise considering how effectively certain narratives and untruths about Ukraine were spread over the past few years
split aurora
Not helped by western groups who slurp it up and reshare it
leaden grove
Not to mention that a lot of people who grew up in the Soviet Union still retain a certain amount of trust for Russian state media
split aurora
Fox news, the gravel institute, two good examples from the US, on the right and left respectively
both actively consume and reshare kremlin lies and propaganda
leaden grove
Not helped by western groups who slurp it up and reshare it
Yeah, but even some news outlets that seem pretty okay otherwise
I read a pretty good article in MintPress News earlier about how the Washington Post is struggling under Bezos' ownership, but their articles on Ukraine are literally just what the Kremlin says
And then I clicked on the author bios, and guess what, one of them used to work for Russia Today and Sputnik News
I really don’t understand what’s up with some left-wing outlets at this point
hollow hollow
communist sympathizers maybe? idk
leaden grove
not really, no
split aurora
I really don’t understand what’s up with some left-wing outlets at this point
"I hate america thus must love everyone opposed to america"
leaden grove
Yup, that sums it up pretty well
Like they’ve rightfully condemned US imperialism in the past, but that’s no reason to write articles supporting this invasion
viral junco
Yep
hollow hollow
i hate the narrative the media has that the us is either a flawless utopia or a 3rd world shithole, believe it or not it’s possible for a generally good nation to have issues
leaden grove
One article I saw even questioned how much of a "real Jew" Zelensky is and that was just awful
viral junco
I'm a socialist but I'm not a putin puppet
viral junco
One article I saw even questioned how much of a "real Jew" Zelensky is and that ...
What the fuck
leaden grove
Uhuh
tired scaffold
https://twitter.com/EwaLee12688037/status/1509437752420577282?t=BR2yxoIRXbLIv1P9...
couple of threads on it
the Red Forest isn't radioactive enough to cause ARS in a month
It also has similar symptoms to severe levels of anxiety
and the only source for them having ARS is the Mirror
limber wagon
the Red Forest isn't radioactive enough to cause ARS in a month
Talking about radioactive dust is very different than talking about ambient radiation. If you ingest radioactive dust particles, you now have those things well ... radiating inside your body. Thats much more dangerous. So its not that easy to say
That being said, you're right that this is the Mirror
And we probably shouldn't take that news source too seriously
tired scaffold
both threads I linked are quite interesting and have more to them than just the linked posts
first one includes sciency numbers
It's been too long for the contaminants to be radioactive enough to cause acute sickness in such a short period of time
limber wagon
Acute yeah, but there definitely is still a risk in ingesting the wrong particles.
This isn't quite dust, but it does demonstrate that you can still find some quite radioactive materials randomly scattered about the place https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kg4vVYKc90
tl;dw they find a radioactive pebble inside an ants nest
And if you're inhaling dust, or accidentally ingest just a small grain of radioactive material, its gonna stay inside your body for a bit, and do quite a bit more damage due to how close it is to you.
tired scaffold
please at least read what I linked
limber wagon
What specifically are you referring to? because I read that
tired scaffold
i'm so confused now
limber wagon
Acute yeah, but there definitely is still a risk in ingesting the wrong particle...
I agree, they won't get acute radiation sickness yeah, but that doesn't mean there is no risk in the longer term.
tired scaffold
i don't understand why you said it like someone had claimed it
limber wagon
No?
I just wanted to point out that while the acute stuff is most likely bullshit, fucking around there can still be pretty bad for your health.
limber wagon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
scarlet crown
split aurora
Talking about radioactive dust is very different than talking about ambient radi...
mhmm, its a thing a lot of people don't realise
you can have an alpha source 15cm from your head and suffer very little damage
near negligible levels
but injest 1/10th of that source and it'll fucking kill you
and going through areas like chernobyl the risk is the radioactive dust and dirt, not ambient radiation
getting on your skin or internally
scarlet crown
All in all, it's a very high risk move to just deploy troops on radiated territory
the aftermath was obvious
split aurora
tbf, as far as military jobs goes, its far from the largest danger
its not a great decision but far from the worst one russias made
scarlet crown
yeah, the worst one was invading Ukraine in the first place
split aurora
true!
and the second biggest, was to not get the job done quickly
and now they're absolutely fucked
invading ukraine is a shit decision, but if you are gonna do it... you're best hope is to take the capital, ground the air force and shoot the president within a couple days
and Russia achieved 0% of that in a month
leaden grove
Putin just signed that only-rubles-for-gas law
Yet he supposedly told various EU leaders that they can still pay in euros… hmm
hollow hollow
Putin just signed that only-rubles-for-gas law
i don’t get the significance of that, can someone explain?
like why does it matter what currency they pay in?
leaden grove
The whole point of that law is to basically prop up the value of the ruble
viral junco
They've artificially inflated the ruble now with fuckery like that
split aurora
The whole point of that law is to basically prop up the value of the ruble
^
People using a currency adds value to it
hollow hollow
economics make no sense to me
split aurora
the pound followed by the dollar and euro are the most valuable currencies, in no small part because they are used so much in trade
split aurora
economics make no sense to me
honestly same
I know that people using the ruble adds value to it
I have no fuckig idea why it does
just that thats what happens
hollow hollow
i still don’t understand how the invasion made the ruble lose value to begin with
leaden grove
hollow hollow
that’s always been his tactic, people just aren’t very scared of him anymore
leaden grove
A lot of leaders still are
Like for example the German government successfully lobbied to exclude import bans on metals from the EU sanctions package https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/kontraste/sanktionen-russland-125.html
hollow hollow
i thought that stuff with germany was more because they’re reliant on russian imports and less because they fear putin
but idk maybe i’m wrong
leaden grove
It‘s both
The thing is that especially Chancellor Scholz is doing a very poor job at communicating how exactly sanctions are going to affect the country
Because sanctions can very much hurt both sides
And Germany is also falling behind in terms of military and humanitarian support
split aurora
yknow
I can understand nations like ireland
not wanting to send guns
but there's no excuse for failing to send humanitarian support
it is the bare fucking minimum
split aurora
man the border towns must be filled with soldiers of every nationality by now lmao
with the amount of varied nato troops getting stuck on the border
copper monolith
so like, this is quite a thing with Putler's announcement, countries will now have to decide if they want to strengthen Russia or refuse the stinky gas
leaden grove
man the border towns must be filled with soldiers of every nationality by now lm...
As far as I know the foreign troops in Latvia are mostly stationed in Kurzeme and not in Latgale
It‘s the same with Estonia, they‘re mostly near Ämari near Tallinn and west of Tartu
leaden grove
So it seems like things are clearing up regarding the ruble/gas issue: basically they expect countries to open new accounts with Gazprombank and to pay for gas through those accounts
split aurora
(To note, it is important to remember borders and front lines are very fluid, and these are just "Best estimations" if you like, of who owns whats, but it's an encouraging trend)
The thread goes into much further detail if you're interested, as well as showing several types/different zoom maps
copper monolith
👀
hollow hollow
what’s important is that they’re regaining ground
split aurora
ukraine ended the siege of sumy again
the Russians have been beaten back from there so many times
hollow hollow
also hopefully now the kremlin shills can shut the fuck up about “russia is gaining ground so technically they’re winning”
limber wagon
I mean, we 100% know they're gonna say this was their plan all along
viral junco
Ukraine must hold on the east however
scarlet crown
we will, don't worry about it
as long as you give us weapons and aid, we'll back them the fuck off
viral junco
Please god
It's a shame we only can give nonlethal things but hopefully what Ireland can give is of use
split aurora
non lethal is just as important as lethal
what use is giving a soldier a grenadr if he died of wounds 3 days ago
copper monolith
split aurora
its mad to see online kyiv just... opening back up to day to day life
plus the entire city getting drunk for april 1st
Russia: "We'll be in kyiv in 3days"
40 days later
Pan to ukranians sat outside coffee shops and getting drunk while the russians retreat
scarlet crown
plus the entire city getting drunk for april 1st
i doubt everyone will just go get wasted, unreasonable
split aurora
ye I'm joking :p
you call all go do that on victory day
coming soon to a ukraine near you
unreal path
lol, my comment got a reply from someone saying Russia didn't say that only the propaganda from the BBC and that reply is has now disappeared odd that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot99iv7SMEg this is the vid it's in if anyone else happens to see the reply
scarlet crown
On the topic of alcohol, wine is going back in sale at april 1st here, but only from 10:00 to 16:00
mainly for economic reasons
molten tartan
There are decades where nothing happens, and there are weeks where decades happen
such a good quote RLL
limber wagon
it looks like we might be seeing a few bubbles here. Though it should again be noted that these are best guesses regarding where troops are
viral junco
copper monolith
😔
copper monolith
facts
scarlet crown
copper monolith
whoa the liberators retreated pretty quickly
probably still turning Chernihiv into Mariupol
Nova Basan in the east of Kyiv freed, or what's left of it https://twitter.com/Arslon_Xudosi/status/1509614365485502470
too lazy to list them all but a bunch of towns and villages got liberated south of Kryvyi Rih https://t.me/a_shtirlitz/17257
oh shit, 4hrs ago a lot of Russian vehicles entered Luhansk region https://twitter.com/SputnikATO/status/1509561176065253383
scarlet crown
Expected, they're going to try and hold it with all they have left
split aurora
copper monolith
1/47
split aurora
copper monolith
this is a good meme
split aurora
okay but
the car has a wooden interior
the tree is wood
the car just wanted to reunite with the tree!
scarlet crown
https://twitter.com/Peter__Leonard/status/1509550291976433665
I really like stuff like this. First off it's fucking hilarious, and second - it shows just how absurd the referenced situation truly is
leaden grove
Twitter
scarlet crown
https://twitter.com/kpszsu/status/1509619177656619013?s=21&t=ahs0jIA4bXRTo6SnugI...
very important thread
clear pebble
It's become siege warfare at this point
scarlet crown
limber wagon
It does appear that they're now retreating. Only took them a few days to start doing so.
scarlet crown
💪 🇺🇦
limber wagon
Ukrainian Heli blew up a n Oil depot inside Russia https://twitter.com/LewkHughes/status/1509752004595404801?s=20&t=ZTcpSFH5GptCxtkKouEssg https://twitter.com/LewkHughes/status/1509761374586646559?s=20&t=R_YwUOZ5cR_0cdg3zA9OQQ
No casualties
scarlet crown
Most likely a provocation because, as some indicated by other footage, those helis seem to be Kamov Ka-52 "Alligator"
we don't have those
Ukrainian officials still hadn't said much about it, so we have to wait
We did strike the ammunition storage in the same city, but I don't think oil depots would be our aim currently
reminds me a lot about recent russian strikes on our depots
limber wagon
I mean, striking your own oil depots in some sort of false flag attack seems kinda stupid beyond belief.
scarlet crown
It's Russia we're talking about, they do that shit a lot
it's what they initially did with Donbas in 2014, blaming ukrainian neo-nazis for bombing land
limber wagon
Inside Russia?
Also, its a bit different when you're already at war than that it is as an excuse to start one
Like what benefit does a false flag operation like this give them?
I don't really think it gives them any benefit
scarlet crown
Yeah, that's fair
guess we'll have to wait for either an official announcement from officials or an investigation
limber wagon
Yeah
split aurora
I mean, striking your own oil depots in some sort of false flag attack seems kin...
in 1962 the CIA proposed a plan to launch several mass bombings in US cities to blame on the Cubans to justify a war
the plan was nearly set in motion before Kennedy vetoed it
you'll be surprised the extent people go to in false flags
its believed in 2000 several of the appartment bombings in russia, blamed on the chechens, may have been Kremlin false flags
limber wagon
Also, its a bit different when you're already at war than that it is as an excus...
e
What are they gonna do? Use this as an excuse to invade more?
split aurora
...yes
"This is an attack on our oil base, an attempt to kill huge amount of russians"
"we are now justified in using chemical weapons in retaliation to end this war faster"
limber wagon
No casualties
e
limber wagon
"we are now justified in using chemical weapons in retaliation to end this war f...
I don't think thats how this works
That just sounds like fear mongering
split aurora
"This is an attack on our oil base, an attempt to kill huge amount of russians"
This is how Russia could spin it
im saying
not saying they will do it... just trying to think any possible reason for them to false flag this
If it was KA-52s, then it was either a Russian attack, or possibly captured tech...?
Russia, China and Egypt are the only 3 operators of that helicopter
limber wagon
split aurora
ooh
limber wagon
MI-24
and It does not look like a KA-52. The angle of the rear fin is all wrong for that
Mi-24 has an angled rear
While the KA-52 is straight
split aurora
(I don't know helicopter identification so I'll trust OSINT guy on this :p)
limber wagon
Also no dual rotors
split aurora
As someone pointed out in the comments, its a good sign how this war is going, that ukraine is now launching cross border logistics strikes
scarlet crown
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1509765821454856237?s=20&t=6kUsCccIHVT...
huh, so i guess we really did that
nice
copper monolith
hey it's the wiki page I've had pinned in a tab since the invasion
damn I guess wikipedia will need to pay the $250 fine 😔
split aurora
The fine is 20x that
copper monolith
hey im suppose to be the fun police here 😡
scarlet crown
as far as i can see, it'll be around 48200$
split aurora
No you're supposed to pay your debt to the GLORIOUS RUSSIAN FEDERATION for illegal participation in wikipedia misinformation!1!1!1!1!!
how DARE you pin that tab sir
thats treason
28 years in Yakutsk
scarlet crown
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1509739238174208012?t=kGjefAnL4DAoY8Y...
what if they don't pay
copper monolith
anyways, I guess this is where Russia finally bans wikipedia and starts peddling their own government approved version
I remember how they kept talking about that shit in like 2014
split aurora
Wikipedia is a non-profit run by donatioms
its not even like they have a spare 50grand to dish out to tyrants
copper monolith
ye
split aurora
People in russia are en-masse downloading the entirety of wikipedua
All of russian Wikipedia is only like, a 10gb zip file 29GB in size
(excluding images, with images is 2-3x larger)
limber wagon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
if anyone is interested
scarlet crown
send to your russian friends!
limber wagon
I'll probably need to change these graphs a bit soon. They're becoming a bit too long
hushed magnet
All of russian Wikipedia is only ~~like, a 10gb zip file~~ 29GB in size
Thats way smaller rhan i wouldve thought
But i guess text takes up less space
hushed magnet
I'll probably need to change these graphs a bit soon. They're becoming a bit too...
Have you been maintaining the graphs yourself?
clear pebble
Not all articles are translated either, so that reduces the file size as well
hushed magnet
Yeah but i didn't realise so little would be
split aurora
oh hang on
Its 29gb not 10
Don't know why I thought it was 10
@hushed magnet apologies
limber wagon
Have you been maintaining the graphs yourself?
ye
copper monolith
man
hushed magnet
Thats just insanely sad
copper monolith
Nice
scarlet crown
Strange how they allow even vodka, what region is that
https://t.me/ukrainenowenglish/3684 so bombed hospitals, houses and schools before made it comfortable, alright
professionals at work
copper monolith
Strange how they allow even vodka, what region is that
Илья is in Kyiv
God names like that are so painful to read when written in English
clear pebble
Minesweeper sure got a graphics upgrade
copper monolith
professionals at work
Did the fleeing Russians just dump them out of a truck
viral junco
https://t.me/ukrainenowenglish/3684 so bombed hospitals, houses and schools befo...
Likely a false flag to call them off
split aurora
wondering how much america pays ukraine to get a hold of some of these modern vehicles
copper monolith
A few fighter jets please
limber wagon
copper monolith
it do have lots of gas
solid adder
ukraine flag on r/place
split aurora
:)
solid adder
black and blue corner as well
split aurora
ye
solid adder
ukraine flag biiiggg
copper monolith
im in the group of blue tiles
solid adder
I've placed 3 yellows
trying to place more but I'm getting errors often
yay got another one
a lot of flags everywhere now
copper monolith
based
solid adder
then there's... whatever monstrosity
copper monolith
yeah 2 of them
copper monolith
sorry gamers I must abandon Ukraine cuz lithuania just materialised
solid adder
I see it
copper monolith
hell yeah
split aurora
brb turning lithuania into England
solid adder
sus amogus is invading finland
split aurora
man
an entire month that tanks been there
and the commanders just
completely ignore the men and vehicle
its horrific how little care higher command have for their men
at least they'll get a proper burial now
leaden grove
Jeez
split aurora
at least they'll get a proper burial now
and ukraine gets a possibly salvageable tank
leaden grove
I‘m watching a talk show right now and I wish Habeck or Baerbock were chancellor
viral junco
Wet tanks would likely be hard to do stuff with but eh
leaden grove
I don’t agree with everything Habeck says but he‘s actually very sincere unlike Scholz
viral junco
I‘m watching a talk show right now and I wish Habeck or Baerbock were chancellor
Oh yeah i was somewhat hopeful with scholz but he's made a fucking balls of it
In fact he's made a balls of near everything since coming in, and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't live there, it's obvious from the outside
leaden grove
Yeah, they‘re talking about the role European payments for gas play in funding the war
leaden grove
In fact he's made a balls of near everything since coming in, and I'm saying thi...
Oh, as someone who does live there it is pretty awful
All his interviews are just "We are doing everything we can" over and over again
And in terms of actual policies, he’s not exactly doing much either
hollow hollow
mi-28 got stung https://fxtwitter.com/kemal_115/status/1509866236930404356?s=21
copper monolith
copper monolith
limber wagon
split aurora
...hm
limber wagon
Huh, so either Ukraine is denying this, its a false flag or someone seriously fucked up
split aurora
didn't ukraine missile strike rostov?
in the first week of the war
not sure why ukraine would deny it
interesting...
viral junco
believe theyre only referring to the oil attack today
and thats millerovo, not belogrod
lilac sparrow
mi-28 got stung https://fxtwitter.com/kemal_115/status/1509866236930404356?s=21
Could it be the wreckage that we were contemplating about two days ago?
hollow hollow
no that was an mi-8 that got destroyed on the ground
lilac sparrow
Yea
hollow hollow
and you can see the tail separating in the video
i found a video in another server that appears to show the tail from the mi-28 crash
lilac sparrow
The pilots?
hollow hollow
hollow hollow
The pilots?
no idea if they survived or not, i think some mi-28s do have ejector seats tho
lilac sparrow
Single main helicopters can still autorotate so that the landing is atleast survivable
hollow hollow
on a related note, why don’t more helis have ejector seats?
can’t they just do what the ka-52 does?
i know about autorotating and stuff, but if you lose control an ejector seat would probably be good to have
lilac sparrow
They need to stop the rotors and then remove everything sbove them before they are ejected
hollow hollow
then just blow off the rotors like the kamov does
lilac sparrow
The blackhawks also have the air intake for the engines, and electronics above them
And the chinooks have the fwd transmission above them
copper monolith
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946289631434010695/959433764159762462/vid...
cameraman says the pilots survived and they were taken to Kyrovsk
split aurora
believe theyre only referring to the oil attack today
I know
I'm pointing out ukraine has attacked russian territory beflre
so I'm not sure what reason they'd have to deny it
lilac sparrow
Yea, they were not going too fast and it looks like they were able to auto rotate
Tandem rotor helicopters like the chinook are harder to auto rotate because they are going much faster and each blade exerts an insane amount of force
scarlet crown
not sure why ukraine would deny it
we'd never do that, those were russian neo-nazis deeds /j
scarlet crown
didn't ukraine missile strike rostov?
This is the first time I hear of this
scarlet crown
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1509887868398940164?s=20&t=4ph2Z2k5twA3...
a little joy won't hurt, but the fight goes on, we won't give up 💪 🇺🇦
split aurora
This is the first time I hear of this
It was posted in here at them time, but it was like
1-2 days in
sooo everything was hectic and I don't blame you for missing it :P
Multiple people were reported to be wounded,[10] and at least one Sukhoi Su-30SM was destroyed on the ground per tweeted images.[11] However, Ukrainian officials and military experts have claimed that at least two Russian Su-30SM fighters were destroyed on the ground.[12]
not a bad result
However, on the official page in Facebook, the command of the Air Force of Ukraine published a post with a Millerovo airbase in fire with a comment: "Oops, who did it?".
hehehe
leaden grove
I wish talking to my grandparents wasn’t this sad sometimes
"Oh Adrian, what is this war you‘re talking about? There is only a special military operation!"
The Soviet Union broke some people for good
leaden grove
Twitter
hushed magnet
I wish talking to my grandparents wasn’t this sad sometimes
i feel that
leaden grove
It‘s okay, but thanks, I really appreciate it
scarlet crown
I'm surprised my grandparents don't believe in this shit, but it's a pleasant surprise
they still can't wrap their heads around why he would do this and all, so there is a bit of denial
hushed magnet
ik its not exactly the same since im nowhere from eastern europe, but my parents are just QAnon and buy into russian propaganda and that shit
leaden grove
Yeah, that usually goes hand in hand
leaden grove
they still can't wrap their heads around why he would do this and all, so there ...
And I feel like that affects a lot of people, though of course denial is a lot harder when things happen very close to you
My grandparents haven’t visited Kyiv since they left in the early 90s so there‘s a fair bit of distance now
leaden grove
Yeah, they went to Israel with a few friends more or less after the Soviet Union collapsed and then to Germany from there
My friend’s sister visited Kyiv last year and she was very impressed by how pretty the city is but who knows how long it‘ll take to restore it now
split aurora
Holy shit
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Germany 😳
Hang on, its an IFV, not tank
still very useful
hollow hollow
looks like a licensed bmp for east germeny
hollow hollow
not the best thing in the world but every little bit helps
split aurora
They were Swedish vehicles, purchased by a czech company
Berlin has given the green light for 56 vehicles of the type PbV-501 to be passed on from a Czech company to Kyiv, a spokesman for the defence ministry said on Friday.
He was responding to requests for confirmation of a media report that said 58 vehicles armed with canons and machine guns were to be supplied to Ukraine.
Berlin passed the IFVs on to Sweden at the end of the 1990s, which later sold them to a Czech company that now aims to sell them to Kyiv, according to Welt am Sonntag newspaper.
honestly we need to start sending more stuff besides just missiles
leaden grove
```Germany has approved the delivery to Ukraine of several dozen infantry fighti...
Yup
hollow hollow
although now that i think about it we’re basically limited to stuff ukraine already knows how to use
so there’s not a whole lot of stuff countries like the us and uk can really send
leaden grove
That still leaves a lot of possible options
scarlet crown
like humanitarian aid
leaden grove
Yeah
hollow hollow
i’m talking weapons
leaden grove
Not to mention that it is very much possible to train Ukrainian forces
IIRC they also asked for F16 jets
hollow hollow
by weapons i mean stuff besides missiles
if they did, the war would prob be over before they had pilots ready to fly them
leaden grove
I really can’t assess that
hollow hollow
i mean fighter jets are really hard to learn
split aurora
the ukranian air force claimed they could have pilots trained within 2-3weeks
for the f-16
scarlet crown
a very real claim
leaden grove
I sent a thread in here earlier that argues that a seemingly bad peace agreement might endanger Putin‘s reputation in his country
leaden grove
^^
split aurora
I was thinking about afghanistan and wrote Soviets oml lmao
leaden grove
They‘d rather retreat to the Donbas and keep on using cruise missiles every so often than admit defeat
scarlet crown
I was thinking about afghanistan and wrote Soviets oml lmao
you weren't too far off
leaden grove
I saw one thread earlier that speculated that they might decide to occupy 1/3 of Ukraine and then negotiate from that position
scarlet crown
so that's like east and a bit of south
leaden grove
Because the thing is, the Russian delegation is being criticised by Duma deputies too
split aurora
I talked about it in here before, it really wouldnt surprise me if they try to grab donbass and a bridge to crimea, and dig in there
leaden grove
For being too accommodating
Yup
And with all the new conscripts they’ll soon have more cannon fodder too
viral junco
and all the more people who will sabo their own gear too
leaden grove
Probably
leaden grove
Probably
split aurora
thats gonna cause a lot of unrest
100k or so families expecting their son back
instead finding he's been sent against his will to donbass
leaden grove
I‘ve read about a thousand members of the National Guard refusing to go to Ukraine and being charged
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split aurora
thats gonna cause a lot of unrest
(this played out heavily near the end of the afghan-soviet war)
leaden grove
That‘s true
split aurora
the huge protests of families of soldiers was a significant contributing factor
to the USSR collapse
leaden grove
Yeah
split aurora
not the main factor, but one that cannot be overlooked
leaden grove
From what I‘ve heard the war hasn’t fully reached the public consciousness in cities like Moscow though
leaden grove
All the stores affected by stores have posters on them saying the closures and temporary and whatnot
Universities seem to be a lot more affected though
Since students are more or less encouraged to report people who speak out against the war
copper monolith
nice
78 Russian equipment destroyed in the Donbas region today https://t.me/suspilnedonbas/4985
leaden grove
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copper monolith
was this at the start of the invasion or current plans?