the_ukraine_situation

[silk iron]

either way the Russo-Ukrainian war is having a very negative impact on European nation's economies.

[fierce arch]

no shit lol

[silk iron]

can't wait for food prices and gas prices to sore even higher

[stark inlet]

dutch people have raised 106mil euros for ukraine in a charity event

[split aurora]

wooow

[stark inlet]

theres only 17mil people in the netherlands

[split aurora]

🙏

[silk iron]

106M/17M

[fierce arch]

thats like

a lot

[stark inlet]

in 1 day

[split aurora]

if we assume 50% of the population donated -> thats 12.5 euro each

[fierce arch]

50%

[split aurora]

I think 50% is a generous high estimate given babies and children prisoners and people too old/ill to donate

[fierce arch]

assuming every able person will donate lmao

[stark inlet]

lmao

int overflow

[silk iron]

you could use the average donation size model from other charity sources

[split aurora]

100% = 6.25
75% = 8.31
50% = 12.50
25% = 25
12.5% = 50

[stark inlet]

wait my bad

[copper monolith]

I know I said I wouldn't look here but my dumbass put notifications on all of KyivIndependant's tweets and lol https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1500962998696951810?s=20&t=uSTR6_ZCdBDOzqPe_bICBA

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

Bloomberg: Morgan Stanley predicts Venezuela-style default in Russia by mid-spring.

Investors have already valued the country’s 2023 bonds at about 29 cents on the U.S. dollar, the lowest figure in history according to data collected by Bloomberg.

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Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 10:34 PM

[split aurora]

wew

[viral junco]

with venezuela being in talks with the us it could be the other way round soon

[silk iron]

...and assume a generic charity's donation size distribution is comparable to that of Ukrainian relief oriented charities distribution

[viral junco]

with venezuela being the big oil supplier and russia being in hyperinflation

[fierce arch]

if venezuela didnt have oil

[icy ridge]

https://youtu.be/FOYISTN9cOY ?????

Also how is Odessa doing atm?

[copper monolith]

the NPP issue is that the occupants disabled mobile networks there

Odesa is doing okay, it's prepared for any battle

[stark inlet]

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500970445889327118

Christo Grozev (@christogrozev)

This is not the worst part. In the phone call in which the FSB officer assigned to the 41st Army reports the death to his boss in Tula, he says they've lost all secure communications. Thus the phone call using a local sim card. Thus the intercept. https://t.co/cgHHo7VaRi

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Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 11:03 PM

read the thread

lmao i just cant

[zinc talon]

https://twitter.com/GER_OSCE/status/1500853097291304966?t=NWbnGFUSj1yvjz0108tS7g&s=19

Germany in the OSCE (@GER_OSCE)

@MID_RF @RF_OSCE @RusBotschaft @RusConsulateFra @germania_online @GermanyDiplo @GermanyUN @RusMission_EU @EUinRussia @eu_eeas …Россия и Германия останутся соседями в Европе…

interesting choice of words for 🇷🇺 🇩🇪 :
…соседи = neighbors …

We suggest to @MID_RF and @RF_OSCE to have a good look at the map of Europe https://t.co/c2sozCesIy

Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 3:17 PM

[tired scaffold]

With how badly-maintained Russia's equipment is, I honestly wonder... how many of their nukes are even still functional*
*I think we're better off not finding out the answer to this

[split aurora]

lmao

[mighty tusk]

that's actually a big issue vallence

did you know we just

lost some nukes before

and iirc havent found a few

when we think of nukes we think of the utmost care

but they just saw it as Big Bomb back then

[tired scaffold]

Apparently weapons that rely on tritium last just over 12 years before they have to be renewed, otherwise they won't work

[split aurora]

ye

[tired scaffold]

And that's probably a more complicated process than oiling a truck every few months, and seeing as the Russian Army can't even do that...

Makes one wonder

[split aurora]

part of the detonator has a low half life meaning its incapable of firing

after 12y or so

tbf russia has 7k bombs themselves

its terrorists/iran who would be the concern, though there'll be a lot more then just detonator thats rapidly decaying

[zinc talon]

1600 of them active

[split aurora]

ye

more then enough to doomsday

they dont really need more

[tired scaffold]

They have lots, yes

But how many would actually work as intended*
*I think we're better off not finding out the answer to this

[split aurora]

only really people under the others category im concerned about

[split aurora]

I mean, it only takes one

or seeing one flying

and yeah thats a question we should never answer

all 1600 could be duds, but seeing 1600 flying other will facilitate a response

[zinc talon]

I'd guess they keep the ones they've active

Hope we never have to find out

[split aurora]

also yeah ngl its a bit scary some of the states with nukes

[zinc talon]

^

[split aurora]

hell, apartheid south africa

build nuclear bombs

out of all the people i wouldnt want to give bombs too, they rank pretty highly

[mighty tusk]

oh uh dw

im not saying "oh maybe these nukes will detonate on their own"

in my head though, someone may fuck with one not knowing tbh

[split aurora]

fair

as I say I think potentially the biggest risk woild be someone like Iran getting hold of them

[mighty tusk]

yep

[split aurora]

and reverse engineering them / trying to repair them

[mighty tusk]

what stops amazon from developing nukes

[split aurora]

the world has had 10nuclear powers so far (excluding post-ussr bomb leftovers, 13 including them)

we don't need more!

[nocturne bobcat]

I feel like every time I come in here it's nuke hypotheticals

[mighty tusk]

yeah but what stops amazon

this is a hypothetical i like doing

it puts company power into perspective

I did a thought experiment of "if Jeff Bezos wanted to kill all mosquitos, could he"

and probably yeah

not easy but he could

[split aurora]

yeah this is quite off topic

I'm gonna do bagels job for them ||/s love you bagel||

[crude depot]

damn i hope he does one day

“damn i feel like destroying another species today”

[fierce arch]

hes rich but hes not omnipresent

[fierce arch]

cue american drone strikes on iran nuclear facilities

approx every year

[icy ridge]

https://youtu.be/9RFOSpXcWL4

[icy ridge]

https://youtu.be/LXIEK4PMF_4

[icy ridge]

https://youtu.be/vZoxqltgS0Y

This is a very interesting video to watch, since it gives the Ordinary Chinese Perspective on the Invasion

[tired scaffold]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/albania-renames-street-capital-tirana-free-ukraine-2022-03-06/

The Russian Embassy to Albania is going to have to put "Free Ukraine" as its address on all official documentation

[buoyant sundial]

Nice

Now how much farther can we go with that, can we have like as many official Russian documents as possible say that?

[fierce arch]

based albania

[analog furnace]

I just saw an Ukrainian flag flying with the Australian flag at an emergency services (search and rescue) building at equal height, it’s not much but it gave me some hope and faith

[leaden grove]

Amazing Twitter fight between the head of Roscosmos and a former American astronaut (His tweet says: "Dimon, why did you delete that tweet? You don’t want everyone to see what a child you really are?")

[split aurora]

lmao

[clear pebble]

Go get em Kelly

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/StationCDRKelly/status/1500848454657998849?t=zKqeHqm-Wp1H6qOF_CX9Gg&s=19

Scott Kelly (@StationCDRKelly)

Что, Димон, правда глаза колет? https://t.co/oWGMjvuGiu

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Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 2:58 PM

[leaden grove]

Lmaoooo

[clear pebble]

Victory

[copper monolith]

We hit 1k personnel vehicles pog https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501108672717545475?t=7gsc1DT2O7MU_OJgr2NEXA&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

These are the indicative estimates of Russia's losses as of March 8, according to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. https://t.co/eZHQUQCZlX

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 8:12 AM

@limber wagon do ur magical thing pf calculation tables

[limber wagon]

Give me a few minutes, kinda busy

[copper monolith]

Lol fuck off https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501112603132968960?t=iSzilUZRdbhU7qCDSluaXg&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Yanukovych addresses Zelensky, urges him to stop fighting.

Ex-President Viktor Yanukovych, who lives in Russia since being ousted in 2014, asks Zelensky to “overcome his pride” and stop the war at any cost.

Yanukovych’s letter to Zelensky was published by the Russian media.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 8:28 AM

[copper monolith]

[viral junco]

Yeah I presume they kept up at a good rate yesterday for troops but weren't sure exactly

12k very good

Hoping for more to come

[clear pebble]

"stop the war at any cost" sounds like "kick the Russian's butts" to me 👍

[viral junco]

The definitely not puppet nope nuh uh not at all president trying to make himself sound like the voice of reason

Not like there was a revolution just to oust him or anything

Nope

[clear pebble]

Nah that was just a bunch of loving citizens asking for him to take a vacation

[viral junco]

Yessir

[limber wagon]

Interestingly the amount of Fuel tanks destroyed didnt go up, despite the footage we saw yesterday. Same with the news of the boat. Also, there were 30 helicopters destroyed reportedly, but only 12 reported. My guess on that one it that they're spread over 07 and 08, since those reports happened around the same time as yesterdays numbers were released

[copper monolith]

Interesting

[mighty tusk]

he could do it if he wanted to

[mighty tusk]

please no

i want this war to end

i dont want more lives to be lost either way

[scarlet crown]

not like the guy fled on a fucking heli in 2014 with 90% of whole country's budget just to live in a royal-victorianesque house with a golden toilet

[molten tartan]

Mornin’

[mighty tusk]

actively being happy at russian death counts is just, so wrong

wars are shit and the poor fight them

[scarlet crown]

the guy just admitted to being a child

[mighty tusk]

you cant say "i'm sure all 12,000 of these people were meanie assholes who are evil" or something

[scarlet crown]

no one is saying that

[mighty tusk]

saying you want more deaths is shit and that's the only way you could possibly justify that

[hushed magnet]

I mean, you realise this is a war we're talking about?

[mighty tusk]

yes

[limber wagon]

Not really, you have realised that the country is being invaded right?

[mighty tusk]

war is shit, don't encourage it

[limber wagon]

no one is encouraging it

[scarlet crown]

honestly it does sound frightening, but at this point Russia is taking a whole ass genocide approach, bombing whole cities, taking lives of thousands

[mighty tusk]

sure and that doesnt mean all of the russian soldiers are evil evil bad men

[scarlet crown]

1 taken out soldier is one civilian life saved

[hushed magnet]

So ukraine stops fighting and lets russia in?

[mighty tusk]

no phoenid

holy shit

[limber wagon]

Its just a peaceful shelling

[mighty tusk]

i'm asking for fucking N U A N C E

[limber wagon]

also, no one is talking about Evil

[hushed magnet]

Who tf here is saying that every Russian soldier that died deserved it?

[mighty tusk]

no one but implying it

y9u should never

[hushed magnet]

Who?

[mighty tusk]

ever be happy about a huge death toll

[limber wagon]

no?

[limber wagon]

I dont think thats necessarily the same. hoping the russians suffer more casualties vs hoping for a large number of death. They are invading the country, so casualties on their side are good in the sense that it stops them

not in the sense of wishing lots of death

[limber wagon]

Also, who are you to talk about nuance and then take everything out of context?

[mighty tusk]

it's not out of context

no, that "context" doesn't really change what I said

I don't want big death tolls, period

I don't give a shit about "aggressor"

in actual war, not the geopolitical game

most of these people have a lot in common in both sides

[limber wagon]

No one is saying otherwise

[scarlet crown]

so civilian death tolls don't bother you?

[limber wagon]

^

Thats the point

[mighty tusk]

"I don't want big death tolls, period"

this isn't an "or"

[limber wagon]

less russians means less ukrainian civilian deaths

[mighty tusk]

no, in reality, this is not actually an "or"

[scarlet crown]

I mean, all we can really do now is sit here and wish for less deaths, but this is pretty much how war goes

[hushed magnet]

This is a war, russia is fighting to invade ukraine

[limber wagon]

It definitely is. You've got an invading army of soldiers, vs a native population of civilians. Big difference

[scarlet crown]

It's not Ukraine's problem that Russia is sending their youngest men for slaughter

we're just defending what's ours

[hushed magnet]

You cant just pray them away and for everything to be sunshine and rainbows

[mighty tusk]

I can pray for less people to die, because that is best

[mellow oasis]

this is absolutely insane, in case anyone is interested
https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1500994927378923521?t=LZMiZFh42N5wzh2IqT_U9Q&s=19

brandon sheffield (@necrosofty)

The https://t.co/vTbmDLvWUP bundle for Ukraine is live!! ~1,000 games worth over $6,500, $10 minimum donation, all proceeds donated to charity. Let's do what we can! https://t.co/oSgXio6UkJ https://t.co/6oTPoo2g57

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 12:40 AM

[limber wagon]

Thats a pretty good deal

[mighty tusk]

yeah they did this with BLM too I think

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501132778905210880?s=20&t=Abi6018ISgsH1zO9Qm2QeA

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️21 civilians, including 2 children, killed in Russian attack on Sumy.

Russian forces bombed a residential neighborhood in Sumy in the early hours of March 8.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 9:48 AM

[mighty tusk]

depressing

[craggy whale]

Those poor souls I hope the majority of them can get out on time

[copper monolith]

very good video, also running a fundraiser for Ukrainian Red Cross https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg0OWPjdLzU

[limber wagon]

Pretty good video I think

[split aurora]

Just watched it

I like that

[icy ridge]

Just saw that in my timeline

[limber wagon]

Jesus, 2M refugees already

[split aurora]

nearly 5% of ukraines population

[icy ridge]

Seriously, he United NATO and EU Countries so Much, Germany is not Pacifist anymore, Swiss is not Neutral atm, and the Nordic Countries want to join NATO, also Greece and Turkey have a common enemy like.... seriously Putin, I think he needs some mental help atm

Also Japan is increasing their Military Budget too cause of the conflict

Also Having Russia join NATO back then, would've have been a bit awkward for the newly joined NATO countries of the time who wanted to get away from Russia....hmm

And they wanted a veto just like the UNSC

[split aurora]

that 2nd tweet is zelensky being a fucking idiot

Its literally enshrined in the Geneva convention that it is a war crime for anyone else to use the red cross

The red Cross is preserved to be a symbol of medics under the protection of the intentional red Cross only

several popular video games have had to change this for accidentally violating this

[copper monolith]

rare Zelenskyy cring

[icy ridge]

The rest of the replies

Are also ignorant of atleast some education on this topic....but then again it's Twitter, the pool of react first, research maybe

[copper monolith]

about fuckin' time

[split aurora]

£1.56 petrol

ow

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1500855769931132930

Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand)

Confirming NYT: Biden admin is weighing easing sanctions on Venezuela so that it can begin producing more oil & selling it on the international market. Move would be aimed at reducing global dependence on Russian oil & isolating Russia from one of its key allies in South America.

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Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 3:27 PM

Replacing russia with venezuela

interesting

[copper monolith]

its very questionable

[icy ridge]

BRUH, why must we keep relying on other countries, doesn't the US have their own oil fields?

[copper monolith]

reminder that Venezuela is one of the few countries that support Russia's invasion https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/International_reactions_to_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg/2754px-International_reactions_to_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg.png

[icy ridge]

[copper monolith]

literally top global producer lol https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/B7AB/production/_123591074_optimised-global_oil_producers-nc.png

[icy ridge]

Then wtf 🤣

It doesn't want to use their own oil ??🤣

[copper monolith]

idk its fuking dumb, pls cease using oil for fuel america

[split aurora]

In 2020, the United States consumed an average of about 18.19 million barrels of petroleum per day

Demand outstrips production

is why

[copper monolith]

ev mass production time

[icy ridge]

👀 the Mass EV Charging grid

[split aurora]

Yeah, russias support in the new world is just countries America has been fucking for decades with sanctions tho

[icy ridge]

Also, for Europe, what other substances can they use for heating?

[split aurora]

they might well trade dropping support for dropping sanctions

[split aurora]

tbh we need to invest heavily in insulation

more efficiently giving out and retaining the heat

[copper monolith]

^

[split aurora]

But then more insulation = more heat kept in during the summer

and the UK already has major problems with heat waves

as so few people have AC

The deaths from heat related conditions in the summer is in the thousands every year already

and doesnt look like its gonna get better anytime soon

[keen sorrel]

The UK has the additional problem that many houses there are close to 100 years old and thus don't have cavity walls

[split aurora]

yeah

[icy ridge]

Yeah here in Canada too, we were told how Europe didn't have much AC as we did (except for the British Columbia) so we were like " wtf how are you surviving" Europeans are like "AC is actually harmful to the environment sooooo"

[keen sorrel]

They have solid walls instead, which requires different and predictably more expensive insulation methods

[split aurora]

thats true

My house is pre-ww1

[keen sorrel]

1902 here

[split aurora]

I'm not sure exactly when this went up, but I reckon it was sometime around when the local mill was built, very late 1800s

[keen sorrel]

There's a slow push towards heat pumps going on here, but those require well insulated houses to work well so they're gonna have to do something about this at some point lol

[icy ridge]

How to Balance Insulation and Cooling for Europe 👀

[keen sorrel]

Continue ruining the environment until the gulf stream stops and then the UK is always cold

[split aurora]

put a huge roaring wood fire in the house, and convert the kitchen into a walk in freezer

simples

if its too hot, just got sit in the freezer for an hour

[mighty tusk]

Can't wait until the Earth says "get the fuck out" and throws us off

[copper monolith]

hopefully after all of this, this will encourage countries to significantly reduce their reliance on oil and gas, and probably increase the rate of EV adoption

[keen sorrel]

Gonna be brutal gas prices until we do that though

It's already going to double here on 1st April

[split aurora]

The utility price hikes are gonna be severe

And there's a likelihood the price of food will spike as well

I don't think the UK directly buys russian/ukranian wheat, but there'll be a definite knock-on effect across the whole market

[copper monolith]

time to start decreasing wheat products out of our diets

uh oh

[split aurora]

This was a bad year to go vegetarian.

lmao

[split aurora]

yeah they're trying to encircle kyiv

again

Honestly even if they do encircle it

will they even be able to put it under siege?

Everytime they try to besiege Sumy they break out of it

[copper monolith]

time to drone and shell the columns that're gonna travel on those roads

[icy ridge]

Ukraine is considered one of the Bread Baskets of the World.....so Uhm...Gluten Free time?

[keen sorrel]

Uk is pretty good for wheat, >90% of our use is grown here

However fertiliser is also a big russia export so

[copper monolith]

fuck

[icy ridge]

Oh no Kyiv 😭

[split aurora]

uhoh

[copper monolith]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-7

[split aurora]

oh wow, we produce so much domestically?

Didn't realise that, nice

[icy ridge]

Fuck, time to get back to 24/7 news watch, so that I can know the state of Kyiv at all times

[copper monolith]

breaks are nice

[icy ridge]

Yeah, it's been nice for the past week

But once Kyiv is being attacked that's when my FOMO on info gets real high

[copper monolith]

putler's gonna have a very hard time trying to take the city

[clear pebble]

Hopefully they don't take it at all

Should make an attempt to get all the civs out though, it would greatly complicate things the more of them there are

[limber wagon]

Huh, who knew logistics were important for invasions

Certainly not Russia

[copper monolith]

xd

yeah wtf eastern europe is quite cold this week

[proven steppe]

Fr

[limber wagon]

Hopefully those people will manage

But being stuck without electricity and heat in that kinda weather is .... kinda bad

[proven steppe]

The temperature has dropped here in latvia too

[limber wagon]

to put it mildly

[zinc talon]

this is really bad

[icy ridge]

Is the metro heated?

[copper monolith]

probably not

https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1501166138495062022?s=20&t=9oKP17dYkP6lXtu_W2OkzA

Dmytro Kuleba (@DmytroKuleba)

Ukraine requests the ethically and socially responsible global businesses to stop or suspend operations with or in Russia, therefore refusing to finance its violence, murders, and crimes against humanity. Please read and share my full appeal to global business community below. https://t.co/mazfXa7XU8

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 12:01 PM

[clear pebble]

Finally https://www.shell.com/media/news-and-media-releases/2022/shell-announces-intent-to-withdraw-from-russian-oil-and-gas.html

[copper monolith]

YE

[scarlet crown]

They keep trying to blitzkrieg Kyiv

That will most likely fail

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/MFA_Ukraine/status/1501148055260876804?s=20&t=9oKP17dYkP6lXtu_W2OkzA

MFA of Ukraine 🇺🇦 (@MFA_Ukraine)

Ceasefire violated! Russian forces are now shelling the humanitarian corridor from Zaporizhzhia to Mariupol. 8 trucks + 30 buses ready to deliver humanitarian aid to Mariupol and to evac civilians to Zaporizhzhia. Pressure on Russia MUST step up to make it uphold its commitments.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 10:49 AM

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1501141810839703554?s=20&t=9oKP17dYkP6lXtu_W2OkzA

Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko)

The fortress city 🇺🇦 https://t.co/mjaiNjc52Y

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 10:24 AM

[fierce arch]

lol no

[mighty tusk]

yes he could lol

[clear pebble]

🤦‍♂️ smh https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-french-restaurant-says-it-received-insults-and-threats-from-customers-who-thought-its-signature-quebecois-dish-poutine-was-named-after-putin/ar-AAUIaPB?ocid=BingNewsSearch

[copper monolith]

oh no

[split aurora]

😩

[limber wagon]

People

[finite chasm]

Reminds me of Corona beer sales declining when Covid kicked off

[copper monolith]

oh yeah we're still in a pandemic

sort of forgor 💀

[split aurora]

My dad reversed the trend and specifically bought corona as a joke when it started

[copper monolith]

lmao

[split aurora]

I watched the introduction of lockdown while drinking corona with him

[limber wagon]

I wonder if putin will actually go through with his threats of cutting of the gas supply. Given all the sanctions Russia already has to deal with

[leaden grove]

You lot should check the Sputnik website

[copper monolith]

ew no thanks

[leaden grove]

It got hacked and now there‘s fun news articles on it

This is what it looks like now

All the links lead to other websites

[limber wagon]

I'm happy for them tbh

They make a cute couple

[leaden grove]

Wholesome

I bet someone in Moscow is being scolded for this right now

[fierce arch]

Adam

[crude depot]

poor adam

[finite chasm]

In Ireland someone broke down the gate of the embassy with a truck and there's now complaints of encroaching on foreign soil from Russia. Sheer irony

[zinc belfry]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501184492064628736?t=3U4NWJvYkJuHQ2HC8AeoMQ&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️FM Kuleba: War crimes are part of Russia’s deliberate strategy.

Dmytro Kuleba wrote on Twitter that Russia holds 300,000 civilians hostage in Mariupol, a city in Donetsk Oblast, and prevents humanitarian evacuation despite agreements with the Red Cross mediation.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 1:14 PM

interesting

[nocturne osprey]

oooo well good on whoever drove that truck

[split aurora]

they did similar in chechnya

:/

[nocturne osprey]

I hope they aren't too severely punished by the law

[leaden grove]

Oh yeah, I‘ve read about that - in Vienna someone used red paint to paint on the gates of their embassy and they called it a "truly barbaric act"

[zinc belfry]

ugh, paint, how barbaric

[split aurora]

I'm surprised the west hasn't expelled the Russian embassys yet

the uk expelled theirs in 2018 after novichok

[nocturne osprey]

what a heinous crime!

[split aurora]

same thing happened to the Russian embassy in ireland

[nocturne osprey]

how dare they use so little paint!

[leaden grove]

But surely not all of the diplomats?

[split aurora]

we expelled the embassy and diplomats

I mean they did murder a man on uk soil using an extremely dangerous poison

[leaden grove]

Ohh

[silk iron]

novichok

[leaden grove]

Well, they also murdered a Chechen refugee in Berlin

[fierce arch]

who

[leaden grove]

He was shot right in the centre of the city

Hold on

[zinc belfry]

he what

[leaden grove]

https://amp.dw.com/en/georgians-death-in-berlin-was-a-russian-ordered-assassination-prosecutors-believe/a-53860911

[zinc belfry]

yikes

[leaden grove]

Yeah, it happened in broad daylight

[split aurora]

In London in the cold War the Russians murdered a Bulgarian dissenter

[leaden grove]

And a few locals alerted the police after they saw a man go into the bushes and come out looking completely different

So the guy was arrested right away

[split aurora]

they sharpened the end of an umbrella and laced it with poison

then just pricked the man with the end as they walked past, pretending it was an accident

[split aurora]

They really tried the hitman methord

[leaden grove]

And utterly failed

Bellingcat has an amazing series of articles on this

They did such a poor job hiding his identity

The hitman was some ex-criminal hired by the GRU

[zinc belfry]

is that even legal

i'd assume that murder in general would be illegal

[leaden grove]

I mean, yeah

[crude depot]

hiring and being a hitman is illegal

so

[leaden grove]

He was sentenced to life in prison on the counts of murder and illegal possession of weapons

[zinc belfry]

what about the hirer? (is that even a word)

[leaden grove]

And the judge also explicitly stated that there is concrete evidence that he was operating on orders given by the Russian government

I mean, they complained to the Russian ambassador

They didn’t really care

[zinc belfry]

amazing /s

[leaden grove]

Nor did they respond to any of the requests by the police

[viral junco]

https://www.joe.ie/news/varadkar-communion-lorry-russian-embassy-743898?utm_content=buffer28d92&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

[leaden grove]

Poor poor embassy

[viral junco]

So one could say the communion van was a weapon of mass destruction

[leaden grove]

Clearly the lorry was paid for by the Pentagon /j

[limber wagon]

it all makes sense now

[zinc belfry]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501188178601984000?t=Qb46St-aUHWbghSAafSbXg&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️WP: Belarus conducted phishing attacks against Ukraine, Poland.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, Ghostwriter hacking group in Belarus has tried to get credentials of Ukrainian officials and members of the Polish military, the Washington Post reported citing Google.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 1:28 PM

uh oh

[unreal path]

https://twitter.com/instanewsalerts/status/1501188172348284939?s=21 woah if this turns out to be true 👀

Instant News Alerts (@InstaNewsAlerts)

#BREAKING: US set to ban oil imports from Russia, announcement may come as soon as today.

Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 1:28 PM

[zinc belfry]

i wish lmao

[unreal path]

If this happens, man the Russian economy is already bad…we are gonna think it was great compared to this

Especially if it means there’s been a deal for other nations to do the same

[leaden grove]

Europe should follow suit

[viral junco]

My mam ordered gas last week, it already increased by over 100 euro since Monday a week ago

[unreal path]

Yeeeppp

The only next thing I could think of is natural gas

[leaden grove]

Air raid sirens going off in Kyiv right now

[unreal path]

Oh no :(

[leaden grove]

I just wanted to check the livestream ._.

[unreal path]

Link?

[leaden grove]

both gas and oil should be banned

[unreal path]

Agreed

[leaden grove]

https://youtu.be/TLOlHf7ey-A

You can still hear them

[unreal path]

I heard something that sounded like an explosion

Very distant

[fierce arch]

it hasnt been banned yet

[unreal path]

Well yeah I’m just saying if it turns out to be true that they are going to do it

For a country as hungry for oil like the US to stop that…that’s saying something

[fierce arch]

russian oil contributes very little to us oil supply

[unreal path]

Have they stopped?

[leaden grove]

I think so

[unreal path]

I don’t hear them anymore

[leaden grove]

Me neither

[viral junco]

They also tried to use Ireland as an argument the other day saying "the discrimination against Russian speakers in the Ukrainian government is shameful, imagine if Ireland banned the use of English and only used Irish, imagine how the UK would feel"
They say this despite them forcing Russian on soviet states and satellites in the past century, LIKE Ukraine

[unreal path]

Well yeah but it could signal that it might not just be the US doing it

[fierce arch]

well

european countries are VERY reliant on russian oil

[native grove]

^^ That pisses me off how oil companies are trying to profit off the situation. Gas prices here might double, which is like $2-3 but that a lot to us

[fierce arch]

wdym

[unreal path]

Well it’s not them profiting

The cost of oil increases in times like this

War means more demand and a possible situation where it’s harder to supply

[viral junco]

I hope there is a huge move towards green energy to avoid reliance on other countries and fast
Germany shot itself in the foot relying on Russia, a country it never got on with, for gas with nord stream 1 for instance

[zinc belfry]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501191680174792705?t=ie641Z-WpcEpZ4-mski-TQ&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️BP to stop new purchases of Russian oil, gas.

BP and Shell, which also announced it would stop buying Russian oil, said, however, that they wouldn't be able to immediately disentangle themselves from Russia due to long-term contracts and the difficulty of finding alternatives.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 1:42 PM

[native grove]

I feel like I heard where countries outside of Europe don't really rely on Russian oil

Sorry forgot to say I'm not Western

[fierce arch]

some eurasian countries do

[unreal path]

Well yeah but even a tiny bit less supply for say the US means less supply

[fierce arch]

former soviet states

[unreal path]

Remember the US uses ALOT of oil

Especially because of our transportation with cars

[fierce arch]

also prices are rising because supply is shrinking

[native grove]

Hopefully, Bagel's right, that this pushes a more sustainable approach and less reliance in oil

[fierce arch]

they're making the same amount as before

[mighty tusk]

reminds me of the chinese restaurant thing with Covid

[unreal path]

I mean im not some advocate for the fossil fuel companies, but sadly when wars happens in our global world things are effected

[mighty tusk]

why are we in such a hysteria

(not we specifically)

[native grove]

Hopefully it doesn't reach my country too fast since all cars here still rely on oil 😢 godbless the 3rd world

[unreal path]

Yeah people gotta remember it’s not really the fault of Russians but of a few Russians

The ones in power

[fierce arch]

what country

[mighty tusk]

a lot of russians dont even want this war

it's a whole political thing there lol

[native grove]

Philippines fam

[mighty tusk]

putin isnt the most popular

[fierce arch]

ah

[viral junco]

A third of Russian government income is fossil fuels, both gas and oil (both refined and unrefined), so they make tons of money from it
By going green not only will it mean more self efficiency it will also hit kremlin pockets hard, since we need it more than them

[unreal path]

And it’s still a violation of human rights to discriminate based on nationality

[mighty tusk]

yep

frankly i feel bad for Russians

[unreal path]

Regardless how you feel of the nation they belong to

[fierce arch]

self efficiency ≠ going green

[mighty tusk]

they as a collective have become The Bad Guys apparently

[fierce arch]

most green sources rely on other countries

[viral junco]

Both overlap at times

[fierce arch]

for example, solar energy

[unreal path]

Yeah really it call comes down to not even the full Russian government but just the top

[native grove]

Yeah, it sucks that they're collectively getting punished for the choices of the rich and powerful

[viral junco]

Ireland for instance can make huge energy from wind

As we face the Atlantic

[unreal path]

Since even if the Russian people or even a lot in the Russian gov are against this, unless the inner circle is okay with it then it’s gonna happen

[mighty tusk]

russian civilians arent having the best of times lol

and yes i know "they arent getting killed!!!"

still shit

[fierce arch]

unfortunately its not as simple as just place a few wind turbines down and power the entire country

[native grove]

It's a long way to go but not unfeasible, I'm sure there are companies or governments investing in making more efficient batteries

[unreal path]

Nuclear

[leaden grove]

There is a ton of power plants that could be built right now here if it wasn’t for stupid local regulations

[limber wagon]

No, but green has the benefit of being pretty granular. Solar panels are a pretty small investment, meaning its a lot easier to install a bunch of solar panels than that it is to build a new power plant

[native grove]

Nuclear yes! It sucks that Germany of all countries dismantled their nuclear energy, it was such a dumb move.

[unreal path]

A lot do the time it’s not even due to regulations it’s due to a lack of will to do

[zinc talon]

German government issued a study to find out, whether prolonging nuclear energy would be possible/ feasible. In short: not really and energy could be produced earliest 2023

[limber wagon]

Also that, though there definitely are a bunch of things that will just take time. Power infrastructure is hugely complicated

[fierce arch]

the issue is that solar energy just doesnt produce a lot

[leaden grove]

I don’t think that was a dumb move on its own, the dumb move was doing that before reducing Germany‘s consumption of natural gas

[split aurora]

and selling your nations energy industry out to russia is realistic and feasible...?

[limber wagon]

yeah, I'm aware of its downsides. but it is scalable

[fierce arch]

well

no

lol

[unreal path]

Yeah and you don’t want to rush into things you wanna set it up safely

[native grove]

Yep exactly! And replacing the demand with fossil fuel, ugh it was such a mind boggling idea

[leaden grove]

Blame it on politicians who love their coal and gas

[limber wagon]

netherlands has these plans for offshore wind parks. To be finished by 2030. Hope they'll speed this up a few years

[zinc talon]

It wouldn't be able to neglect energy deficits caused by loss of gas and oil

[fierce arch]

they're cheaper so

people like cheaper shit

[leaden grove]

What‘s cheaper?

[unreal path]

Here’s the thing isn’t that one renewable resource is scalable is that all of the combined where possible plus things like nuclear to help balance things out

[fierce arch]

oil from russia

[split aurora]

Yes but "cheaper" isn't the only concern

[leaden grove]

The main reason oil prices are so high is because of the market

[unreal path]

Just solar won’t solve it, just wind won’t solve it, it’s the use of all when possible

[leaden grove]

of course the oil companies profit from all of this

[fierce arch]

well they dont profit that much more

[leaden grove]

They do

They make billions

[fierce arch]

well duh

[leaden grove]

Fossil fuels are some of the most profitable things there are

[split aurora]

cya all later

[unreal path]

I mean if the cost of getting the oil goes up with the cost to sell it then that’s not a profit

[limber wagon]

Right now the biggest threat isn't cheap vs cheaper, its pricy vs literally not being enough to go around. and you can't jsut suddenly replace billions of dollars worth of power infrastructure sadly

[fierce arch]

but they have razor thin profit margins

[unreal path]

But I think we are getting off topic

[fierce arch]

so although they make a lot

[limber wagon]

yeah

a bit

[unreal path]

🇺🇦

[fierce arch]

how much they make doesnt change

[unreal path]

🇺🇦

[fierce arch]

kazakhstan and russia

CSTO members

[native grove]

I hope Ukraine wins and finally gets to be part of the EU

[fierce arch]

well

"winning" is a term you should not use in wars like these

[unreal path]

The thing is Russia is holding back

[fierce arch]

nobody wins

[unreal path]

Russia could do so much more not even including nuclear

[native grove]

Well tbf, it's the term they used in their own letter

[fierce arch]

there are people who lose and people who lose less

[unreal path]

https://youtu.be/jo4OoBm0Vis

This video explains what I mean

[leaden grove]

I’d like to bring up my favourite quote again

[limber wagon]

I'll give it a watch

[native grove]

I'm sure the Ukrainians, want to feel like they won, besides, I'm just using the term they used letter by their foreign affairs leader

[unreal path]

This guy makes good vids

[clear creek]

How is kyiv?

[viral junco]

But one could argue for hydroelectricity, wind farms, solar panels

[unreal path]

He’s part of the nebula group if I remember correctly

[leaden grove]

If the Russians stop fighting, there‘ll be no more war
If the Ukrainians stop fighting, there‘ll be no more Ukraine

[unreal path]

You see regardless of if Russia “wins” or “loses” they already lost, they have given NATO their justification to exist again

[native grove]

I feel like people take one sentence of what you said and just assume you don't won't agree with another statement that you didn't say 😅

[unreal path]

https://youtu.be/Gg0OWPjdLzU

Another good vid btw

[leaden grove]

Okay-ish?

Kyiv is okay, the outskirts aren’t

[unreal path]

It’s not occupied by Russia fully so that’s good at least

[leaden grove]

Especially the areas near Bucha and Irpin

[unreal path]

Do we know how the Morale is?

[leaden grove]

Fairly high, judging from what I‘ve read and from what my grandparents' friends said

[unreal path]

Couldn’t spell the word had to use voice

Well that’s good to hear

[leaden grove]

The only issue is that they might run out of supplies soon in many cities

[unreal path]

You need good morale to win at war

[leaden grove]

Yeah, definitely

[unreal path]

Yeah I could see that :(

Russia has multiple times violated ceasefires

I bet they aren’t even allowing UN convoys to bring in supplies

[native grove]

It is baffling they'd issue a ceasefire then break it almost immediately, but then again we shouldn't listen when they've committed war crimes

[zealous rapids]

Is Ein taking a break?

[native grove]

Ein?

[scarlet crown]

yea

[native grove]

Being honest, a lot of ya'll here are very pedantic. Not saying a statement doesn't mean one doesn't agree with another statement

[mighty tusk]

^

[scarlet crown]

what's pedantic

[zealous rapids]

^

[mighty tusk]

taking me saying russians dying a lot is bad as "so you're down with ukraines dying" is ???

as if death being bad isnt like

just a thing

[native grove]

Yeah exactly

I've been seeing a lot in Twitter, people slagging a Russian streamer for their loss of income, and I'm just baffled.

[leaden grove]

People are angry, and we need to make sure that things don’t get out of hand

[zealous rapids]

It’s like a synecdoche the whole Vice versa thing?

[mighty tusk]

to be clear, I'm not on Team Ukraine or Team Russia, the countries are that, ideas of borders and government we put on a map

I'm on Team People

I want better lives for people, and Ukraine just happens to be better for that

death is generally not good for Team People

that is my truest take

im not playing this war version of sports

[limber wagon]

I agree in general. This however does not really apply as much to the soldiers of an invading army killing civilians to me. Oh sure, its sad they're there BUT THEY"RE FUCKING KILLING PEOPLE

[native grove]

I do hear that a lot

[scarlet crown]

honestly i don't really want to keep up with every new now, I'm just checking them once or twice a day and call it at that

[hushed magnet]

ok but like, your completely missing the point

[mighty tusk]

im not

i just dont agree with "the point" and the implications

[zealous rapids]

That’s also what I’ve been doing. Mainly cause like for some reason most main stream news here has stopped publicizing it

[limber wagon]

You kinda are. saying you dont want war is fine, I doubt most people want war. But the fact of the matter is that Russian soldiers are murdering civilians and invading a country

[mighty tusk]

i'd also like to say that

24/7 monitoring a war

is not good for mental health

please do not dk that

[scarlet crown]

tell me about it

[native grove]

I'm sure Anty mean that they just wouldn't want any of these in the first place,

[limber wagon]

No one does

[mighty tusk]

russian soldiers is such an ambiguous term because it dehumanizes them to only their job title

not all russian citizens are bloodthirsty sickos that are just itching to kill ukrainian people or something

that and yes, I would like there to be no war obvs

[limber wagon]

But the fact of the matter is that it IS happening

[hushed magnet]

thats not what they were saying tho
and like its safe to assume no one here does

[mighty tusk]

I can sympathize with russian soldiers because at the end of the day, armies are poor people fighting for the shitty rich

[limber wagon]

ok, the people shooters shooting at the people

[scarlet crown]

oh so you sympathize with war criminals?

[mighty tusk]

war criminals like

yes im sure all 12,000 or even the majority are just hateful war criminal doers

or something like that

[limber wagon]

also how did you get "civilian" out of me using the word "soldier"

[mighty tusk]

sorry but no, I am not playing "teams"

[limber wagon]

Just very peaceful invaders

[hushed magnet]

agreed to an extent, but this isnt a situation where everyone can just shake hands and have no one die

[mighty tusk]

russian soldiers is made up of former civilians and people who hopefully get to become civilians again

[hushed magnet]

and its not playing teams

[zealous rapids]

I’m ngl tho. I’m not sure this is the place to debate this stuff. Or argue about it. Because this channel is meant for convo about ukraine. Not this

[limber wagon]

ah yes, one side is shooting the other, but i'm sure both sides have a point

[mighty tusk]

you're missing my point

[scarlet crown]

Honestly I'm tired of people who are not really here to see all this trying to justify Russia or russian actions

[mighty tusk]

which is that im not asking for that

im asking for nuance and humanization

[limber wagon]

then do the same

[mighty tusk]

stop making teams

stop making huge groups of people with one or two traits

I am using nuance

[limber wagon]

no

[mighty tusk]

you can't just "no you" what I'm saying

[zinc belfry]

just announced!
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501199900352126978?t=jxJlNtgKmLPgFw3ll1BSxA&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️NYT: Biden expected to ban Russian oil imports.

U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to announce new sanctions against Russia, including the import ban, today, on March 8, the New York Times reported, citing a senior U.S. official.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 2:15 PM

[hushed magnet]

while also throwing away all nuance in the process??

[mighty tusk]

i have to go

i am using nuance

[zealous rapids]

Guys this channel is to talk about ukraine I think. I don’t think it’s to argue about picking teams and such

[mighty tusk]

you can take it or leave it

[leaden grove]

Bye!

[limber wagon]

this takes literally everything we're saying out of context and nuance

[hushed magnet]

also yeah this isnt the place

cya

[scarlet crown]

Honestly you should leave

[zealous rapids]

Damn….

[mighty tusk]

no taya, it has clear implications and I am exploring what you said

[zealous rapids]

Guys just like take it to dms

[leaden grove]

^^

[native grove]

I feel like ya'll being pedantic again... Being sad at the situation forced on people doesn't make someone a sympathiser of war criminals?

[zealous rapids]

Not the place

[mighty tusk]

fair

[zealous rapids]

Like bro. Read the room

[limber wagon]

??? no one is saying that

[zinc belfry]

i just sent something lmao.

[hushed magnet]

whats not whats happening

[zealous rapids]

Seen is

[scarlet crown]

.

[mighty tusk]

yes

[zealous rapids]

Dudes.

[mighty tusk]

russian soldiers as a group are not war criminals

[limber wagon]

then I missed one message

[mighty tusk]

that's the point

[limber wagon]

shooting people, invading a country

[hushed magnet]

ok guys lets drop it

[stone vigil]

You guys are becoming increasingly off topic, if you want to debate the morality of this entire war, do it in a private dm because it's seems inappropriate as fuck to debate this while thousands of people are dying

[hushed magnet]

this isnt getting anywhere

[zealous rapids]

Take this arguement to dms it’s not the place to argue in a channel based for discussing this stuff

[mighty tusk]

i keep being pinged my b

[zinc belfry]

good news

[zealous rapids]

Ye

Cut Russian exports more

Bro

[native grove]

Can we agree with that?

[hushed magnet]

lets drop it

[zealous rapids]

Just stop

And like talk in dms

It’s off topic

[stone vigil]

Once again, dms if you want to debate this

[zealous rapids]

Go debate somewhere else

[native grove]

Wtf is happening, I just leave for a second to eat food and somehow it became like this?

[hushed magnet]

you can literally just read the messages you missed

[native grove]

Yeah and it was moving a mile a minute and I said like is this about being pedantic again, and I got told off

[zealous rapids]

Back to ukraine situation

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/verkhovnaradaofukraine/949

Japan's getting onto it

[native grove]

Ah well no wonder, it was something that happened before, I'll drop it now, just here to clarify I understand what happened

[limber wagon]

Damn, pressure really seems to be rising on the country

[native grove]

What's up with Japan?

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/UA_struggle/323 call this a slice of life

[native grove]

What does it mean?

[mighty tusk]

trying to reclaim islands that were taken by Russia before and went into contention IIRC

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/verkhovnaradaofukraine/952 if anyone's interested

[native grove]

Oh it's in Telegram, I was wondering for a solid minute what the pop up I got was

Well that's a nice app to use, encrypted I hear

[scarlet crown]

yeah, probably the top app for news share currently, the second being tv livestreams

[scarlet crown]

Yeah it's made by Pavel Durov, the same guy behind Vkontakte

The privacy is top notch

I remember roscomnadzor tried to get it down but couldn't

[native grove]

Could ya explain to me about the Japan sitch, if you don't mind

So like they're using the situation to take back their island?

[limber wagon]

tl;dr Japan lost a bunch of islands to Russia at the end of ww2

[scarlet crown]

and now claims its rightful ownership

which was a pretty good call during all this

[scarlet crown]

just another way to pressure russian government

[native grove]

Ah that's actually pretty smart

[limber wagon]

Dunno how significant this is, but it probably does pressure Russia more

[native grove]

Like fight them in all fronts kinda deal

[split aurora]

japan and Russia have never signed a post ww2 peace deal

as Japan refuses to accept that russia owns the South sakhalin island

[native grove]

Even Russian didn't?

[split aurora]

wdym

[native grove]

Wouldn't have their end said they own the islands and not Japan

Wait

No

Edit

[split aurora]

Japan claims they own it

Russia claims they own it

Both sides refuse to sign a treaty that doesn't give them ownership

[native grove]

Oh they just never reached an agreement to sign

[split aurora]

so russia and japan have technically been at war since 1945

in a permenant ceasefire

[native grove]

The Ukraine situation really brining up unrelated but relevant issues

[zinc belfry]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501204883390742545?t=xVNEB8xZ3cuBL0Wjc7HZ0g&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️US senators seek to lock down Russia's gold reserves.

A bipartisan group of senators has introduced a bill seeking to apply secondary sanctions to U.S. entities that trade in gold in Russia, the Axios news site reported on March 8.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 2:35 PM

[unreal path]

Ah the reason why Russia and Japan are still technically at war

[scarlet crown]

This invasion is a pretty big turning point for the whole world honestly

Countries reclaiming land, trying to find ways to break dependency on russian gas and oil

[hushed magnet]

i mean its kinda at the centre of global politics atm

[split aurora]

This distinctly marks the end of the "end of history" era

[native grove]

Yeah, I see that now actually, for a long time it seemed to people in my country, well, those a little less educated, that it looked like an issue that the Western world imposed on the rest of the world

[scarlet crown]

where are you from?

[native grove]

Philippines fam

[zinc belfry]

oh philippines
i'm from a neighbouring country

[native grove]

It's all over the news, definitely, but the news is focusing on the oil prices a little more than others

SEA? :o

[zinc belfry]

yes!

the oil prices went up here as well

[stone vigil]

Oil prices went up almost everywhere

[zinc belfry]

well that's expected

[native grove]

Yeah, rumours with doubling here

Where ya from Alastair?

[zinc belfry]

malaysia :)

[native grove]

But it's unsettling Japan is involved now, but that's genuinely just me being terrified it's getting closer, it's selfish I know

[zinc belfry]

it's not selfish, no one wants to be caught in the crossfire

[native grove]

Would it be fair to assume that China's decision in the next few days may determine the situation in the war?

Since it's the only country left that's not imposed sanction or condemned Russia's actions?

[split aurora]

Tbf I can't see china picking a side

China's goal on this is to keep good trade with both sides

[viral junco]

Beijing will need to decide and soon

Much of their money is from the west

[split aurora]

Beijing wants to be friends with moscow, but without jeopardising their trade with the west

[viral junco]

Labour from china makes up for so many products and having an embargo on their goods like Russia would kill the economy there

[limber wagon]

I very much doubt that will happen

[viral junco]

But militarily and politically their interests lie with moscow

[limber wagon]

Not enough will, and too much separation

[split aurora]

I can see china just continuing as they are doing

[limber wagon]

not to mention the consequences for the EU

[split aurora]

and towing. a middle line

[limber wagon]

yeah, thats what I'm thinking

[native grove]

So you think that they'll just stay "neutral" in the surface. It's only currency the Russian people can exchange their money to

[split aurora]

yeah

[limber wagon]

I think China benefits more from staying neutral.

[hushed magnet]

thats the most realistic tbh

[limber wagon]

And I dont think China will get any sanctions just for being neutral.

[split aurora]

Increase trade with Russia, give them limited secret help, not directly oppose the russian invasion but make public calls for peace and an end to hostilities

[hushed magnet]

china wants to keep good relations with russia but doesnt want to jump ship and tank their economy

[native grove]

I wonder how world leaders will react with China staying neutral, I heard their president is feeling impatient but that could just be the news being the news

[copper monolith]

wtf

[zinc belfry]

??? wow

[native grove]

HMMMM, but it is though

[zinc belfry]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501209093234638859?t=sP1eKmVOyvnP2aOXRUKOFw&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️US foreign policy heavyweights call for limited no-fly zone over Ukraine.

The group of 27 foreign policy leaders urged the U.S. to impose a limited no-fly zone over Ukraine starting with protection for humanitarian corridors, Politico reported.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 2:51 PM

[split aurora]

yeaaah this is the problem with the UN

it doesnt have the means or guts to stand up and say "X member is in the wrong"

[scarlet crown]

why though

[native grove]

Like they're trying not to vilify Russia? When they're clearly in the wrong?

[split aurora]

yeah, the UN has always done this

[native grove]

That's unsettling, we all know how this might end if they're determine to be like a "neutral" party

[split aurora]

the UN is pretty useless when it comes to any major conflict

[native grove]

It's gonna give Putin audacity

Someone did joke that they're really just League of Nations but with a different branding

[copper monolith]

whoops

was in my paste lol

[zinc belfry]

LMAO

[copper monolith]

pwease don't viwwify the fawsciwst aggwessow

[tired scaffold]

Russia: "We want to kill Ukraine"
Ukraine: "We'd prefer not to be killed"
UN: "Wow, clearly both of these sides have very good points."

[split aurora]

on a slight tangent, this is the exact problem with the BBC, they refuse to acknowledge one side is wrong, and is dedicated to a flawed view of neutrality

[native grove]

HUHUUH It's exactly this

[limber wagon]

Ah, the hardline centrist approach

[split aurora]

yep

[native grove]

I would sorta understand if they're trying to be like a judge and hearing it out first, I guess?? But banning the use of words or disallowing staff from showing support just seems too you know ugh

[limber wagon]

Ah, the 'creationist vs evolution' type debates to make things look more divided than they are. Might as well put a flat earther against some scientist and say that people are still undecided on the 'globe issue'

[split aurora]

I mean, that latter example they have done before

lmao

[limber wagon]

....

please dont tell me they did that seriously for realsies

[split aurora]

`The BBC has said that “cancel culture” has no place on its airwaves and it is ready to give a platform even to flat-Earth conspiracy theorists in its quest to broadcast a range of views.

David Jordan, the BBC’s director of editorial policy and standards, said that the corporation’s impartiality rested on its commitment to freedom of speech and broadcasting opinions that some may find offensive.` - The Times

[native grove]

Did BBC really just equate people's rage to cancel culture?

[split aurora]

• theres the one thats personal to me, bring in a biologist, then bring in a TERF who wants to wipe out trans people, and consider their arguments equal

[limber wagon]

well it suddenly makes sense why they gave a self admitted rapist a voice to spew transphobia.

[split aurora]

YES

THAT

anyway we should probably get back on topic

but ye fuck the bbc

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/yamphoto/status/1501207724595552263?s=20&t=R0wLh0ubmvnimZqePhJKFg

Marcus Yam 文火 (@yamphoto)

An explosion just rocked the town of Kalynivka, #Ukraine. A dark plume of smoke weaves through the forested edge of town. Black and blue containers scatter all over. Security guard for truck depot next door tells us that it is a storage facility for chemicals. #UkraineRussianWar https://t.co/RzBuvuvrSZ

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 2:46 PM

[split aurora]

ohboy

[scarlet crown]

man..

[limber wagon]

Yikes

[native grove]

:c

[zinc belfry]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501212910907006983?t=p4Tqg-2nrLJz0KlO_CSXhQ&s=19

twitter embed being weird again

[unreal path]

Twitter

[limber wagon]

To the people who filmed that GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE. There are unknown chemicals burning there, who knows what those can do to a human

[copper monolith]

https://kyivindependent.com/national/kyiv-train-station-mayhem-as-thousands-rush-to-flee/

[zinc belfry]

thank you :)

[keen sorrel]

I'm worried that the BBC's insistence on airing all views is considered a problem because some of those views are bad

[solid adder]

post deleted?

[keen sorrel]

If you take that away then what are the rules on what sides are given time. You could easily end up with the likes of whatever we can call the state of us media

Like it or not it is a necessary requirement to ensure that biases don't creep in so easily

If you turn that into "everyone gets time unless they disagree on an issue that is important to me" then you compromise the whole thing surely

[copper monolith]

weird, it's not, I can't get to it through the link itself, but can find it as the latest post here https://twitter.com/yamphoto

Marcus Yam 文火 (@yamphoto)

Los Angeles Times' roving foreign correspondent & photojournalist. Educated as an aerospace engineer. Dreamt of becoming an astronaut. DM life advice please.

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Twitter

[solid adder]

ah

[zinc talon]

in a controlled environment, this could be a good thing. But validating every view and opinion by giving them a platform is indeed wrong

[native grove]

Genuine question, does it justify disallowing certain words during discussion and/or it's just to keep the unbiased req?

[keen sorrel]

1. What does "controlled environment" mean?
2. Giving a platform (let alone one that has a policy of impartiality) to views shouldn't mean you are validating them, people thinking that are the problem tbh. You should make your own mind up about what you hear and not just accept what you are told.

[limber wagon]

I agree that thing should still be aired regardless of what they or people in general think. But I dont think not giving people a voice to spout disproven and false stuff like the earth being flat or people calling for violence a bad thing. Don't even think that really goes against freedom of expression.

[tired scaffold]

"I want to kill you" and "I don't want you to kill me" are not equal viewpoints and should not be treated as such

[keen sorrel]

You've jumped straight to nonsensical extremes to try and discredit the point, which is a shame

[zinc talon]

1. in a fact based discussion with people who have knowledge regarding the topic

[limber wagon]

https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/lily-cade-calls-for-violence-against-trans-women-after-bbc-article-backlash/
Not that nonsensical. that happened

[tired scaffold]

^

[split aurora]

I think part of it, is how those views are aired

If vladimir Putin releases a statement about ukraine, full of misinformation

I Want that reported - but it should be reported alongside context and accurate information

[native grove]

Hmm... Wouldn't that example be a bit irrelevant? If you disagree, that's okay

[split aurora]

Rather then reported uncritically and reported like fact

[zinc talon]

2. There are topics and issues that are out of bounce and shouldn't be discussed. There are topics that are so far away from facts and reality, that giving them an open platform is a form of validation for a certain group of people

[split aurora]

eg:

Statement from Vladimir Putin: "We have captured Kyiv and the Ukranian resistance has ended"
Reporter: "Latest MOD intel suggests this is incorrect and Kyiv has not been captured, and ukranians continue to resist"

If you allow ANY views to be broadcast without comment

thats when you report propaganda

[keen sorrel]

I agree with pointing out things that are actually false. If there is a case where this hasn't happened then that isn't cool.

However someone saying something that upsets people but isn't factually incorrect should be presented unchanged

This I imagine covers plenty of things that people get deplatformed over these days

[limber wagon]

I agree with that mostly

[tired scaffold]

Could you give an example?

[hushed magnet]

i mean if that something is harmful propaganda used to justify the invasion of an entire country, then i disagree

[split aurora]

Assuming it doesn't cross into the border of hateful/abuse, I agree with that

[hushed magnet]

^

[keen sorrel]

You appear to have missed the "factually incorrect" part there

If it's true but a distorted view then present it and have people challenge it. That simple

Not being able to challenge it is the problem, hence the russia situation

[native grove]

I suppose it's a case by case basis instead of disagreeing outright with examples that can easily distort a statement

[tired scaffold]

Ironically, when stuff is factually correct it tends to be the "Facts don't care about your feelings" crowd that gets upset

[zinc talon]

I don't want to get too political here, but i remember the beginning of the "refugee crisis" here. People on the right started to make claims that where far from reality, but since it got picked up in the media, they made their way far into the public and became "presentable", leading to political discussions and a further shift in what is now social acceptable (sry for the spelling error)

[split aurora]

For example, this was the headline of a (now edited) BBC article accusing trans people of pressuring women into sex, based on very flaky evidence including a poll from twitter, the most valid of sources.

Prior to the heavy revisions, a significant part of this article was written by a self admitted serial rapist, accusing an entire group of people into being sexually predatory on loose evidence

This, imo, should not be allowed

[urban hornet]

Suggested to put this here instead

Theres a really wonderful fundraiser going on over at itch.io, where you can spend 10 dollars and get, no joke, 991 games that are usually $6,544 USD. This includes A Short Hike, Baba is You, Celeste, Minit, Death and Taxes, Underhero, etc. its like, a lot of games. All proceeds go to International Medical Corps, which provides medical assistance in Ukraine, as well as Voices of Children, which helps children cope with horrors of war, PTSD, readjusting to school, and getting back to being kids. Seriously, check it out.
https://itch.io/b/1316/bundle-for-ukraine

[keen sorrel]

Well there's clearly a chain of failures that led to that, that's for sure

[split aurora]

aye

https://twitter.com/Jefflez/status/1456287987541622788 - it was then followed by a very half hearted apology

[keen sorrel]

The Mojang Studios approach of trust twitter for everything

[hushed magnet]

but i havent? something can be factually correct but presented in way thats completely misleading and harmful OR subjective to a degree where it cant be deemed factually correct or incorrect

also this might be kinda off topic now

[copper monolith]

rip ur not joining the cool club @solid adder (the guardian)

[solid adder]

A

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501218105342763020

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Russians destroy central hospital in Izyum, Kharkiv Oblast.

Deputy Mayor Volodymyr Matsokin said that patients had to make their way out of the ruins. Russian and Ukrainian troops are fighting for Izyum, a strategic stronghold on the way to the Donbas.

📷 Volodymyr Matsokin https://t.co/uHMk3jdOry

Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 3:27 PM

[keen sorrel]

Willingly misleading just falls under the umbrella of incorrect to me. If it doesn't stand on its own as true and needs either additional context or content to stop people getting the wrong information, then you add commentary for that

[split aurora]

I have no issue with lies/incorrect facts/misinformation being included, with correct context, if there is benefit to its inclusion

eg, if its in the public interest to know about whats been said

[hushed magnet]

has anything been said about finland?

[copper monolith]

no

[keen sorrel]

Yeah like the russian state media stance when that gets reported on

[split aurora]

yeah

[hushed magnet]

i mean the line between willingly misleading and not willingly misleading depends on whos saying it tbh

[split aurora]

But you shouldn't include an otherwise not beneficial piece of lies/misinformation just to "have an opinion on both sides" - eg, flat earthers

they don't include a second incorrect weather forecast to "get both sides"

[leaden grove]

IIRC the Finnish PM said they‘re going to debate it very very soon

[split aurora]

I do like how the BBC has approached the situation in Ukraine

[zinc talon]

i don't really get the "both sides" thing here.. even worse with political talk shows or articles including "both sides" just to create a controversy

[split aurora]

I think they've done a good job on balancing out including statements from Putin/Russian state media, while also calling out bullshit when they see it

[leaden grove]

https://news.err.ee/1608523691/finnish-pm-debate-over-joining-nato-to-be-thorough-but-quick

[stark inlet]

hmm

[keen sorrel]

The political ones are where it makes the most sense to me, because there's going to be 2 people who both genuinely believe what they think is correct and whilst one or the other will probably upset different people it is more likely to be in the realm of opinions or alternative solutions rather than facts.

Flat earth as an example is difficult though, I'm not sure how I'd deal with it tbh

[leaden grove]

@hushed magnet

[keen sorrel]

Like they exist and are sizeable from my understanding, so can't really ignore them. But they are also wrong so... ?

[split aurora]

I think different issues do need to be dealt with in different ways

"two sides" in politics is very different then two sides when it comes to, say, civil rights

or when it comes to something like flat earth

where its very much open and shut which view is right

[hushed magnet]

flat earth is a pretty obvious example too, especially compared to other conspiracy theories which are often equally as wrong but more harmful and/or popular

[split aurora]

honestly that's the one thing I like about flat earth

it takes up bandwidth thatd otherwise go to some actively harmful theories

[hushed magnet]

thats true

[split aurora]

This proves the Irish Times is a kremlin misinformation station. ||/s||

[zinc talon]

Or not fact checking stuff

[stark inlet]

lmao offending russia

[viral junco]

Russia demanded Ireland pay for the damage done to the gates

Upon summoning the ambassador to moscow

In addition to a full apology from the government

Source: the Irish independent

[split aurora]

How bout no

[viral junco]

The last time something happened with an embassy in Ireland was in 1972

Said embassy was well done

[split aurora]

what happened in 72?

[copper monolith]

the troubles

[viral junco]

Bloody Sunday

[split aurora]

oh

oh that makes sense

[viral junco]

British embassy in Dublin was burned to the ground in response

[split aurora]

the Irish weren't fucking about

[viral junco]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_British_Embassy,_Dublin

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/verkhovnaradaofukraine/956

man..

[copper monolith]

holy fuck

[scarlet crown]

it's just a shame that EU won't close the sky, especially after they removed nukes from Ukraine in return for keeping it's territorial unity

damn that baldhead with his red button

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501229838908071939?s=20&t=cLrw5Tj2K2Q_0ipHdDS_Dw https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1501235097785311235?s=20&t=cLrw5Tj2K2Q_0ipHdDS_Dw

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Politico: UK to ban Russian oil imports.

An announcement on the ban is expected to be made on March 8, Politico reported, citing three British officials.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 4:14 PM

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Biden announces US ban on Russian oil, gas imports.

U.S. President Joe Biden said that some European countries may not be able to join the ban due to shortages of energy supplies.

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2022, 4:35 PM

!!!

by the end of the year

bipartisan political support

Putin is not only uniting all of EU, but also Americans lmao

(the guardian)

[scarlet crown]

we truly live in an era

i think everyone saw a scenario of whole humanity uniting against one evil

that usually being some monster or a creature

[silk iron]

how's things going?

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/verkhovnaradaofukraine/958

[scarlet crown]

all the same really, we're just holding our ground
They're gonna try to storm Kyiv once again
The world is slowly getting off the russian gas and oil

[copper monolith]

putler forces continue committing war crimes, UK and US to no longer buy russian blood oil and gas

[copper monolith]

and that

[silk iron]

Europe isn't going to turn off the Russian gas tap in the short term that's for certain

would cause a recession

[copper monolith]

unfortunately

[split aurora]

man how much do you have to fuck up to get bipartisan support in America

a fucking attampted coup of the capital and a global pandemic couldnt get bipartisan support

[brisk parrot]

dang, bipartisan

[silk iron]

however America in particular is already looking for alternate suppliers (Venezuela seems to be having a good time with sanctions being lifted)

nothing like cold war 2 electric boogaloo to stir the American parties out of their petty tribalism

[mighty tusk]

maybe temporarily

[thin compass]

idk if this has been shared here yet but the kremlin has created a list of based countries! how kind https://twitter.com/rianru/status/1500785501309222912

РИА Новости (@rianru)

Правительство утвердило перечень недружественных России стран. В него, в том числе вошли:

Австралия, Великобритания, страны ЕС, Исландия, Канада, Лихтенштейн, Монако, Новая Зеландия, Норвегия, Корея, Сан-Марино, Сингапур, США, Тайвань, Украина, Черногория, Швейцария, Япония

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Twitter · Mar 7, 2022, 10:48 AM

[mighty tusk]

because all of our senators and higher ups

are literally war mongerers

we love war if we say it or not

[split aurora]

some of the countries on here are hilarious

Andorra

Micronesia

[thin compass]

putin really said "fuck andorra"

[split aurora]

"Go fuck yourself small city in the mountains"

[thin compass]

"small country ass"

[silk iron]

the American military industrial complex loves supplying arms to friend and foe alike

[scarlet crown]

I love how they're trying to still sound threatening and powerful while literally losing to a country 3 times smaller

[split aurora]

Andorra requires every male head of a household to own a gun, so putin is probably scared of their military might

[thin compass]

putin smells

[viral junco]

Those are confirmed I presume

[lilac sparrow]

He’s pulling a lelouch from code geass

[copper monolith]

just CIA sources

[viral junco]

The rest on the kyiv independent charts are likely ones that were in the field

Ah

[thin compass]

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbased

I read that earlier it very cool

[split aurora]

:)

[thin compass]

👀 🇨🇳

[hollow hollow]

china boutta cut off diplomatic relations with them

[thin compass]

zhong xina about to nuke russia

[split aurora]

(the original states countries/territories, and it also implies Taiwan is a Chinese province but is also boycotted where the rest of China is not)

its a translation/shortening thing afaik

[silk iron]

Wowie did Russia just recognise Taiwan

[split aurora]

(no)

[silk iron]

well if they're on an unfriendly country list

[split aurora]

^

[silk iron]

ah right

[lilac sparrow]

On that list of countries is Ukraine, like no shit they are against you

[split aurora]

Apparently in original russian is written to the effect that "Chinese Taipei" is

[viral junco]

Freudian slip could also be the case

[thin compass]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-gif-23165146

[lilac sparrow]

Liechtenstein is also on that list

[silk iron]

对不起

[split aurora]

lmao

[silk iron]

I will never speak of Taiwan that break away province again 😦 😦 😦

i mean

[split aurora]

https://itch.io/b/1316/bundle-for-ukraine - reminder about this, 991 games for $10 and all to help the ukranian cause

[copper monolith]

Zelenskyy about to address the MPs in the Commons, probably here https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60657155

[split aurora]

donations are increasing ~100k per hour

pretty wild

[copper monolith]

based

[split aurora]

Some quite good games in there

celeste, superhot

[lilac sparrow]

A powerful blow to my bank account, god damn gas prices

[viral junco]

Also in that, Moscow stock market to stay limited tomorrow

[silk iron]

apparently there have been problems with getting British donations such as sleeping bags, food, clothing etc. into the EU to get to Ukraine, due to red-tape.

[viral junco]

Kicking that economic doom down the road won't work for long Vladimir

[silk iron]

let me try finding the source

[viral junco]

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0308/1285043-ukraine-russia/

[copper monolith]

he talkin

[silk iron]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60619676

[viral junco]

Also

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0308/1285137-ireland-aid-convoy/

[copper monolith]

man

[silk iron]

yep

gotta love brexit

it's an omnipresent irritation, inconveniencing all - apparently some lorry drivers have actually smuggled some aid donations into the EU from the UK.

you can't let bloody bureaucratic paperwork get in the way during a time of crisis... yet here we are

[unreal path]

Biden announced that the US is banning not just Russian oil, but also gas and coal

[copper monolith]

yes

what is this man smoking https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-calls-return-peaceful-co-existence-with-us-like-during-cold-war-interfax-2022-03-08/

[viral junco]

Mega copium

[unreal path]

Russia had plenty of times to peaceful co-exist

[copper monolith]

the cold war was more peaceful when everyone stockpiled nukes

[hushed magnet]

"nono we dont need diplomatic relations with the west "
"but also we cant do pls lets be friends again pls pls "

[viral junco]

The famously peaceful time of the cold War, just don't look up the Prague spring or the Hungarian uprising or Korea or

[unreal path]

how long until the people that said sanction Russian oil start complaining about gas(car) prices

[hushed magnet]

probably right now

[unreal path]

like even tho we don't get that much from Russia, 1 that's oil that will need to be replaced and 2 stuff like this make investors very nervous in funding projects like new drilling sites