the_ukraine_situation

[leaden grove]

Belarus is expected to join the war officially in the coming days

[unreal path]

wouldn't doubt it

[leaden grove]

They‘ve definitely been used as a staging ground already

[unreal path]

I mean a lot of international organizations and nations are lumping them into sanctions and other actions already

Belarus should also get punishments, ofc Russia would get the most but Belarus should still get a lot

[leaden grove]

Well, that was their initial plan, because it seems like they really thought that the populace would just welcome them if they wiped out the military

[unreal path]

yeah seems that way

[keen sorrel]

That's an easy trap to fall into. At the end of the day we are guessing how well they expected it to compared to how well it is going. It is in our best interest for it to not go well so we will bias in that direction when confronted with anything that will allow us to think that when interpreted a certain way.

From what I've seen the only thing that would make me think it's going worse than expected is that scheduled news article that got deleted

[leaden grove]

^

[nocturne tusk]

Roskomnadzor already started blocking Russian independent media

[unreal path]

I mean after the text the Ukraine rep to the UN read out to the UNGA they really thought they would be welcomed and then bam they were ordered to target civilian targets

[leaden grove]

But if you watch Russian state TV, you can notice a certain sense of disappointment too

One guy said out loud that he doesn’t understand why the Ukrainian people won’t stop fighting

[hushed magnet]

if it wasn’t going worse than expected, i doubt russia would be so quick to threaten other nations including with nukes

[unreal path]

I wonder are Russian websites still down from those Anonymous attacks?

[granite jewel]

Has there been a number for civilians that have successfully evacuated?

[unreal path]

the UN says over 600k

[leaden grove]

Yes, about 600,000

[leaden grove]

Lemme check

[keen sorrel]

and then bam they were ordered to target civilian targets
See you can't just throw stuff out like that without a source without being challenged. Yeah things have gotten hit, you can't claim to know why or how. It's a guess.

[granite jewel]

That's good to hear

[unreal path]

the UN is projecting to a possible 5m

[copper monolith]

man 🙁

[leaden grove]

The answer is yes, the websites are still down

[unreal path]

rip

[hushed magnet]

also i dont think russia wouldve planned all the logistical struggles theyve been facing like low supplies

[keen sorrel]

Like the one rule of this thread is cite your sources. There is no place for unlabelled speculation here, it is at best unhelpful and at worst dangerous

[unreal path]

I mean it really looks like they prepared for just the easy win that they thought they would have and nothing much more

[leaden grove]

it is, but at the same time it’s pretty clear that the Russian‘s "precision strikes" and "civilian areas are safe" claims are just blatant lies

[unreal path]

I mean ofc you can't predict everything but I feel like they should have been ready for a bigger fight

the only reason I could see not doing that is if they want to make sure all their other sides are protected

or really trying not to push a huge response from NATO

trying to do a Crimea and Sevastopol

[grizzled steeple]

From Associated Press

[unreal path]

I mean do you blame them tbh

I would say they should do the same for Belarus

[grizzled steeple]

spies in the United Nations

[unreal path]

plus if they need to they can always just call in

us: yeah nono you get out y'all been bad :(

do we have any updates on the situation with Turkey? or whatever their new English name is

[grizzled steeple]

Something going on in Turkey?

[hushed magnet]

new english name?

[unreal path]

they have ability to close off their straights to military ships in times of war

[unreal path]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-s-in-a-name-why-turkey-is-now-türkiye/ar-AASFL1u

(which is pronounced almost the same as Turkey but with a soft “e” on the end

[split aurora]

good for turkiye

[stone vigil]

New spelling to distance it from the animal

[split aurora]

also because turkiye is its actual name, turkey is a westernised version

[unreal path]

but ask Czechia on how long it takes until people start using the new name?

[split aurora]

its like kiev -> kyiv, peking -> beijing, persia -> iran

[unreal path]

I mean they did recognize Turkey has the english version of their name

they are just changing that now

[hushed magnet]

wikipedia only labels türkiye as the romanisation hm

[unreal path]

one of the reasons, because of the bird

not joking

[clear creek]

So i have to start using accents to adres türkiye now euggggggg fine

[hushed magnet]

romanisation is the word right? idk

either way uh

[severe forge]

You know what'd be funny, if every country did that with their names

[keen sorrel]

I'm not stopping for a couple seconds to remember how to add an umlaut so you're getting a regular u and you'll have to deal with that

[unreal path]

this is about the name change
Locally, it seems the Turks don’t really care. Turks have called their country Türkiye (which is pronounced almost the same as Turkey but with a soft “e” on the end) since the country declared its independence in 1923 after the Ottoman Empire was dismantled following its defeat in World War I. But Turkey stuck in English translations, even within the country itself.

[hushed magnet]

https://www.euronews.com/2022/03/01/respect-closure-of-black-sea-access-turkey-tells-ukraine-and-russia

[split aurora]

lmao

[unreal path]

I mean I have seen people use a regular u anyways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB7kM1HTvyA

this was uploaded a month ago for reference

[viral junco]

I think the situation with turkye should be moved elsewhere

[clear creek]

Türkiye why does it have to be so complecated

But fine

Ill use it

[unreal path]

because they don't want to be confused with the bird anymore XD

totally serious that is one of the reasons

[grizzled steeple]

Understandable

[unreal path]

you know what you could do

nvm it was dumb

would work but dumb

[grizzled steeple]

name it a different bird

[unreal path]

Duck

[nocturne bobcat]

^

[unreal path]

oddly enough the wikipeida article hasn't updated the article on Turkey to reflect the change

but searching the new name will redirect to the Turkey one

[hushed magnet]

thats what i said

also

we should keep it on topic

[unreal path]

Republic of Duck

[clear creek]

Dous the way to speak it change it in any way?

[viral junco]

ukraine

[unreal path]

but yeah turkey black sea ukraine russian ships

[grizzled steeple]

Turkiye lookin to get in on that accelerated EU membership track that Ukraine is getting

[unreal path]

they be like...we want that too

[grizzled steeple]

Everyone will just use the new spelling until Turkiye does something stupid, and then we break out the old spelling to make fun of them

[clear creek]

Eh still on the fence on turkish membership myself but im willing to be open to it if the peapol want it

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/verkhovnaradaofukraine/434

[grizzled steeple]

That's pretty cool. Get some more voices from Ukraine to show people whats been going on there to the United States

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/UA_struggle/121

[grizzled steeple]

Russia's reputation is at rock bottom

[clear creek]

Surendering out of shock? Ukranians have my eternal respect for being the most bals of steel peapol in the modern age

[granite jewel]

Let's just hope Russian citizens aren't the same

[grizzled steeple]

Unfortunately most people can't see the difference

[clear creek]

Nah it shoud realy say russian government reputation rock botem most of the peapol be fine

[granite jewel]

That's... A shame

[scarlet crown]

They left tech again under Mykolaiv

[granite jewel]

Is it on fire?

[clear creek]

Has it been claimed for ukraine?

[granite jewel]

Is that fire on the front?

[grizzled steeple]

Looks perfectly intact from here

[scarlet crown]

yeah it is on fire

[split aurora]

break fire?

[viral junco]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-01/russia-steps-up-aerial-campaign-against-cities-ukraine-update?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=business&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

[grizzled steeple]

oh

[clear creek]

Burn oprsor burn

[granite jewel]

I'm gonna sleep

[scarlet crown]

I guess they could just extinguish it for future use

[scarlet crown]

rest well

[granite jewel]

And probably not check this chat for like a day or 2

[viral junco]

that wasnt the link i had hoped

essentially

[grizzled steeple]

Take care

[viral junco]

new swift cuts on banks

[granite jewel]

Avoiding the shit that's happening

Clearing mind

[viral junco]

the biggest bank and Gazprom is spared sadly

[grizzled steeple]

Yep, take breaks. As long as you need.

[scarlet crown]

Heroes don't wear capes, anyone can be one. Glory to our heroes!

[unreal path]

[hushed magnet]

o7

[scarlet crown]

Didn't sberbank crash?

[split aurora]

Mods delete if not allowed
Just to remind folks - https://www.twitch.tv/callmekevin CallMeKevin is doing a charity strim for ukraine, so far raised $34,000

[split aurora]

its not completely dissolved (yet)

[viral junco]

facing it

[split aurora]

give it like a week lmfao

[unreal path]

oh nice

[viral junco]

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0228/1283430-ecb-on-russian-banks/

[split aurora]

Sberbanks stonks went down 20x since late last year

[solid adder]

ruble gonna rubble

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1498251590616109056

KyivPost (@KyivPost)

The Russian currency has fallen to a historical minimum. Sberbank of Russia Shares at auction in London fell by 75% for the day https://t.co/KlTqpbSvTo

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Twitter · Feb 28, 2022, 10:59 AM

[unreal path]

I wonder what's the russian rubble at now

[scarlet crown]

https://finbold.com/russian-sberbank-stock-crashes-70-in-its-biggest-all-time-slump/

[unreal path]

👀 OOF

[split aurora]

and thats with moscow stock market CLOSED

[haughty yew]

That’s a huge drop

[grizzled steeple]

Sheer cliff

[solid adder]

1 ruble is currently 0.0089 usd

[unreal path]

that's what I think economics describe as "not great"

[grizzled steeple]

How many more zeros can it place to the right of the decimal

[stone vigil]

a lot

[unreal path]

as much as needed

[grizzled steeple]

0.0000000000000003

[unreal path]

good thing I didn't start investing into the Russian Rubble

[stone vigil]

there is no hard limit to how little the ruble can be worth

however if it drops too low it will become useless

[unreal path]

well technically there is

0

[scarlet crown]

I congratulate anyone who has 10k US dollars, you're officially a millionaire

[unreal path]

yoooo

[grizzled steeple]

One rubble isnt even worth a penny lol

[limber wagon]

Woohoo

[scarlet crown]

in a meaningless currency non the less, but oh well

[unreal path]

balls

[limber wagon]

I come back to this chat with this great news

[grizzled steeple]

Do tell

[unreal path]

you a millionaire?

[split aurora]

I am a multi millionaire in vietmense dong

[limber wagon]

Apparently

[unreal path]

niceee

[limber wagon]

😳

[unreal path]

interesting news

[split aurora]

I have 22.80million dong

[unreal path]

what is that like 2USD

[unreal path]

oof

[scarlet crown]

the magnum dong

[unreal path]

I have a feeling Russia isn't gonna get any help from the IMF/WBG soon

[split aurora]

one ruble is only worth 200 dong

[grizzled steeple]

Heh

[unreal path]

only 200 dong?

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/UA_struggle/122

[split aurora]

one superior ukrainina hryvnia is worth 760 dong

💪

[scarlet crown]

nevermind they burnt it

[grizzled steeple]

Ah well

[scarlet crown]

The tech is like fully new

[copper monolith]

darn, could've used on the russkies 😔

[scarlet crown]

Still a pretty good psychological kick

they must've spent a good amount trying to build that

[solid adder]

hm

[copper monolith]

👀

[scarlet crown]

about fucking time

https://t.me/UkrainaOnlline/19875 Apple no longer takes orders in Russia

[tired scaffold]

Probably would have taken to long to get it in operable condition

At least one of the wheels was fully off

[hushed magnet]

based

[grizzled steeple]

call a tow truck

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/verkhovnaradaofukraine/435

[scarlet crown]

call a fuckin tractor to chain that shit out

works damn well

[grizzled steeple]

Anybody commandeer a russian ship yet?

[scarlet crown]

No, sadly

[rare walrus]

Are there any estimates on how long it will take Ukraine to join the EU at the accelerated pace they seem to be goin at with it?

[scarlet crown]

For now it's unknown

[rare walrus]

Ah i see

It makes me wonder whether Putin will pull out or not if it happens, since I’m fairly sure Russia doesn’t have a chance against the literal entire continent of Europe

[hushed magnet]

i imagine it'll still take a long while

[unreal path]

how ironic would it be that Russia ends up making Ukraine join the EU faster than it would have happened if they didn't do this

[scarlet crown]

His ego is too massive

[solid adder]

I want to see what happens when they open the market

[rare walrus]

Thats what im worried about, hopefully he’d realize his attempts are gettin him nowhere

[hushed magnet]

also making it more likely for ukraine to join NATO, and other countries like finland too

[unreal path]

yep

I mean you know it's bad when Switzerland does something

[rare walrus]

Quite true

[unreal path]

Sweden and Georgia

[rare walrus]

Also, is this the first Belarusian sanction?

[unreal path]

good

[rare walrus]

Yeah, belaruse will be hit much much harder with sanctions and will probs have to pull out if more are put on it

[hushed magnet]

russia would not be able to fight against the entirety of europe and by extension also the US and canada i guess idk if they’re struggling to take ukraine

[unreal path]

there's a difference from sending in aid and literally allowing your land to be a platform for another to invade another...sorry Belarus

[scarlet crown]

Seems to be

[solid adder]

belarus = russia lulw

[hushed magnet]

yeah belarus cant afford to take a hit as much as russia can

[grizzled steeple]

(Is it belarusian or belarians?)

[rare walrus]

Ah i see, i hope more are put in place since belarus would likely pull out then

[unreal path]

I wonder if this could end up pushing Belarus to being absorbed by Russia

[scarlet crown]

Belarussians

[grizzled steeple]

Makes sense

[hushed magnet]

i mean, that doesnt sound too outlandish imo

[unreal path]

I mean they already have the Union State

[rare walrus]

Maybe? Im not sure, but that would increase the costs for russia like tenfold or somethin to start running a new part of the country like that

[hushed magnet]

belarus already might as well be just a russian state at this point

[unreal path]

so they are already very conected

[unreal path]

I mean this is the same man who started this war in the first place

[grizzled steeple]

Putin going with sunk cost fallacy?

[rare walrus]

I feel like it would be pretty costly to do so which in combo with the tons of sanctions it might be too costly to do

[rare walrus]

That is true

[unreal path]

Personally I think people in Belarus and Moldova need to at least be on alert

[rare walrus]

Do we have any news on that convoy that was heading towards Kyiv?

[solid adder]

yes but I forgot

[scarlet crown]

The only thing known is that they're demotivated and malnourished

[icy ridge]

Hell yes

[rare walrus]

Ah i see, it’s a bit surprising to me that a supply convoy is running out of supplies like that

[unreal path]

I just thought since as far as I know there are still UN personnel in Ukraine, have we had any reports of UN personnel or staff being attacked?

[zinc talon]

only read this

[solid adder]

yes that

[rare walrus]

Woah, that is very good news as well, (well good news in that the convoy isnt as dangerous as previously thought)

[opal cloak]

Bad news theres plans for more than a battle

[unreal path]

on one hand having UN personnel could add another complication Russia (and Belarus) would have to deal with but again on the other hand they have already attacked civilians I wouldn't put it past them

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/UA_struggle/123 important

[rare walrus]

Yeah, it’s lookin to be a siege, although with the way the Russian convoy is so malnourished, it looks like they might starve before they can starve Kyiv out

[unreal path]

I just thought this could be a turning point

I mean that’s a lot they could be spending on this one fight

[rare walrus]

It could be if the Ukrainians successfully drive the convoy off, since it seems to be a fairly big portion of the russian military from the border

[nocturne osprey]

LOL

fucking ironic

[rare walrus]

I wonder if they could take out any portions with like a drone strike or somethin

[opal cloak]

I feel bad for the soldiers tbh

I feel bad for everyone involved in this

[hushed magnet]

theres enough irony in this entire war that if it wasnt real it would be a great comedy

but sadly, its real 😔

[scarlet crown]

It is honestly a comedy

Russia, a great country known for it's high military achievements

went war on Ukraine and pretty much losing to it

[zinc talon]

bet they could. The fact they didn't could be a sign that they lack the equipment/personal to do so

[hushed magnet]

cant even take out its tiny neighbour

[rare walrus]

Nah i meant like ukraine takes out parts of the convoy with a drone strike

[zinc talon]

thats what i mean

[rare walrus]

Ooh i see

[scarlet crown]

Kharkiv. The bombings don't stop.

this is fucking horrible

They can't take the city so they just decided to fucking wipe it, it seems

[zinc talon]

you got a source?

[zinc talon]

thats what they did in syria too

[hushed magnet]

if they cant have it, they dont want ukraine to

also they’re just doing anything they can to try bend the country into submission

[scarlet crown]

I got it from here https://t.me/c/1248149892/7281
a pretty well trusted source

[rare walrus]

Jesus, that’s horrible

[scarlet crown]

It's a closed channel tho

[zinc talon]

thanks, just for me

ah cant open it

[scarlet crown]

.

you'd need to send in a request

but they seem to let in pretty much everyone

[copper monolith]

gg (the guardian)

[zinc talon]

thank you for all the updates and insights! Really appreciate it

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498753759626813450?s=20&t=fZKUPI_a7fXbWrNk7NBNmQ

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️80,000 Ukrainians came back from abroad since Russia invaded further.

According to the Interior Ministry, which cites the State Border Guard Service, the vast majority of these citizens were men who joined the ranks of the Armed Forces and other military formations.

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 8:15 PM

[hushed magnet]

o7

[hushed magnet]

^^^ yup

[scarlet crown]

https://t.me/UA_struggle/124 regarding looting

[rare walrus]

Dang those US sanctions worked really quick

[copper monolith]

god damn degens

[scarlet crown]

not only that, also thanks to countries for rejecting russian gas

[rare walrus]

Oooh i never knew that the russian gas came specifically from Nordstream 2, thinkin on it now that makes a lotta sense, not sure how i didnt pick up on that

[zinc talon]

NS2 was a additional pipeline to increase possible gas-transfer

[rare walrus]

Ah i see

[scarlet crown]

I'll go get some rest. Mentioned it earlier here, but I'll try stay off news for the next day to piece myself together a lil more. Keep your eyes open, spread truthful info, and goodnight. Слава Україні!

[rare walrus]

Alright, gnight ein, stay safe!

[hushed magnet]

stay safe

Слава Україні!

[zinc talon]

have a good night and stay safe as always

[clear creek]

Rip nordstream didend need ya anyway

[copper monolith]

ye, we need to transition from fossil fuels

[copper monolith]

gn king

[azure plover]

take care, ein

[clear creek]

🇧🇪 🤝 🇺🇦 🤝 🇪🇺

[nocturne osprey]

sleep well

[rare walrus]

Ye, hopefully germany might go back to their nuclear plants

[copper monolith]

probs not

[clear creek]

Props will start importing from america ore somwhere els cuz " green rocks scary"

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498762310764089351

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️ World’s biggest container lines – Maersk, CMA, and MSC – suspend shipping to and from Russia.

The suspension will cover all Russian gateway ports. The suspension excludes food, medicines, and other humanitarian supplies.

Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 8:49 PM

I'm glad they added the exemption

[unreal path]

Would help

[zinc talon]

is it me or are things taking longer to trickle through the news?

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/VaushV/status/1498721295617249283

Vaush 🇺🇦 (@VaushV)

They doxxed the fucking invasion force https://t.co/40OiNZSICc

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 6:06 PM

god damn

[clear creek]

Anonymus?

[split aurora]

ye

[clear creek]

Cool

[copper monolith]

that will def fuck with Russia's economy so much

[clear creek]

Anonymus has my respect hope they move tho other wars when this is over

[rare walrus]

Yeah, now they literally get like almost no material resources for anything

[copper monolith]

the "dont drop ur iphone cuz its the last one you'll have" joke is becoming real for russians

[rare walrus]

Which will probably make it very hard for them to make more military stuff

Especially combined with the civilian population of russia against the war as well

[clear creek]

Basicly Russia has been trow back into pre globelisation world

[rare walrus]

Pretty much

[clear creek]

They need to have evryting ore wont survive

[zinc talon]

https://twitter.com/nolanwpeterson/status/1498759267091771396

Nolan Peterson (@nolanwpeterson)

From a Ukrainian soldier on the front lines in the Donbas:

‘We're doing comparatively good on the ground. But unless we get direct air support immediately, we're f...ed.
The Russians are too many...
Especially in Air force and cruise missiles.’

Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 8:37 PM

if you think about it, russia doesn't really seem to care about it's soldiers on ground. So if they keep throwing them in, at some point they will be getting through

[split aurora]

eh

thats not a garuntee

you cant just "Throw troops forward" infinitely and expect to win

that aint how modern warfare works

[paper cedar]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60555650

uh that's weird

[split aurora]

yeaaah theres a lot of reports of racism at the border

[paper cedar]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-60552271

there is also this

[paper cedar]

are Ukrainians doing it?

[zinc talon]

i didn't mean in the sense of attacking with hundreds of ppl at once

[paper cedar]

or like government

[split aurora]

i know

but just doing the same attack

over and over

doesn't guarantee anything

[split aurora]

seems both sides

as in, ukraine and poland]

[zinc talon]

sending in troops to spy and sabotage while bombing important infrastructure until is what they are doing atm

[split aurora]

ik

[zinc talon]

they don't give their troops modern communication equipment

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1498682810659442689

Jeremy Cliffe (@JeremyCliffe)

NEW: EU officials are considering offering asylum and refugee status for soldiers who want to desert the Russian army, as long as they have not committed war crimes.

As always, @Mij_Europe has the latest from the EU's corridors of power: https://t.co/e4AoxQ108G

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 3:33 PM

this is good

[zinc talon]

https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1498771783461265408?s=20&t=c1jHjLhrUHYEZmYrivUCdg lol twitter made their own list

Twitter Support (@TwitterSupport)

The conflict in Ukraine has many searching for news they can trust and real-time updates about what's happening. We've compiled a list of news sources so that you can be more informed on Twitter: https://t.co/6n7ICw0s7m

Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 9:26 PM

[copper monolith]

based

[solid adder]

wtf is this text you've made

literal html in it broo

[split aurora]

lmfao

oh did my sub run up?

sadge

[zinc talon]

embed link, didn't work before

[buoyant sundial]

Honestly, since a lot of people here are fact-checking things, I trust the info here slightly more than I trust some news sites.

[haughty yew]

We’re based

[buoyant sundial]

Don’t worry, I’m still not blindly trusting you 100%, but it’s more than the unknown sources elsewhere I only have ONE person blocked and he knows who it is

[zinc talon]

news sites are doing amazing fact checking on their own. Esp bbc

[split aurora]

ye, but as a result they don't publish much

and do so later

compared to people on tweeter and such

[zealous rapids]

If anyone wants more info on this I found a great video on YouTube explaining it.

[split aurora]

as they only publish things they can near absolutely verify

and that takes quite some time

[buoyant sundial]

Yes, but they’re still mega-corporate things. They’ll have other things that could influence their information. Whereas the people here are “people” who don’t have any likely bias. That I know of anyways.

[zinc talon]

fair, but at leas you know you can trust what you read

[split aurora]

the BBC isn't corporate

[split aurora]

yeah

its the golden standard for info

[buoyant sundial]

I’ve heard they’re still sometimes biased, though.

[copper monolith]

omg

[split aurora]

dont drop your iphone

[haughty yew]

Oh shit

[solid adder]

damn

[zinc talon]

predicted

[split aurora]

valentin is a mile ahead of us all

[hushed magnet]

val just knows

[zinc talon]

he's an hour ahead regarding the time zone

[copper monolith]

😎

I'm in Ukraine's timezone

the 7th day is about to begin

[hushed magnet]

not far off a week

lets go ukraine 🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦

[zealous rapids]

I am 8 and a half hours off

[zinc talon]

Imagine fucking up your own country within 1 week

[zealous rapids]

I think russias done it quicker

[buoyant sundial]

Ukraine is still standing. I’m not even on that continent, but I am proud at how they have stood up against Putin’s tyrannical aggression.

[zealous rapids]

They are first and second in that catagory

[fierce arch]

the physical manifestation of the corporation isnt writing the article

its just a writer

[buoyant sundial]

True. There are editors, and reporters… There’s a lot of room for a game of telephone.

[fierce arch]

everyone here is biased

we all have biases and since nobody is writing objectively it will be prevalent

[buoyant sundial]

*everyone here is based

[buoyant sundial]

Jokes aside though, that’s a fair point.

[copper monolith]

kinda long time to wait

o fuk

day 7

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498772404843298817?s=20&t=rlfeMeXcJ-4Ky8AgaqQrcQ https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498772512481685508?s=20&t=rlfeMeXcJ-4Ky8AgaqQrcQ

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Russia bombs Kyiv neighborhoods, Vyshneve city outside of the capital, according to the State Special Communications Service of Ukraine.

The neighborhoods currently under attack are Rusanivka, Kurenivka, Boiarka and the area near the Kyiv International Airport, or Zhuliany.

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 9:29 PM

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️A loud explosion was also heard in Bila Tserkva, a city in Kyiv Oblast, where a fuel depot was struck, UNIAN news agency reported.

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 9:29 PM

[hushed magnet]

holy shit

[lilac sparrow]

Wars take much longer than a week, Ukraine is holding out quite well, but they are still trying their best just to defend, the war is still not in their favor, long term though Russia lost already, thry may secure Ukraine even if it takes them half a year, but their economy is crippled

[copper monolith]

wholesome https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498781987280203783?s=20&t=1wegxq4oLtnqgWc09onwXA

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

Ukraine and Poland opened two new pedestrian refugee crossings overnight, reducing the long queues of people fleeing on foot, according to Deputy Interior Minister Mary Akopyan. https://t.co/AKowxfar4Q

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 10:07 PM

[fierce arch]

russia has been preparing for this though

fortress russia

[copper monolith]

eh

doesn't look like they planned the invasion well

[cerulean canyon]

Holy fucking shit
https://twitter.com/CallMeKevin1811/status/1498774191843258374?t=LrbVe93fX1-Xkxy6UqWGJA&s=19

Kevin (@CallMeKevin1811)

Thank you so much to everyone who joined the stream! I am once again blown away by your generosity and kindness.

We raised above 45,000 Dollars! I am so proud of our community https://t.co/Qgqaqz8Yra

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 9:36 PM

[copper monolith]

and all these sanctions, all the shipping companies no longer shipping to their ports, and companies no longer selling their shit there, Russia ain't gonna get military action on their side, unless people revolt

[copper monolith]

based king kevin

[solid adder]

It’s not much in the grand scheme of things but still based

[copper monolith]

46k would be enough for what, 46k meals?

10s of thousands will still benefit

[hushed magnet]

it is a lot tbh

[solid adder]

I guess yeah

[hushed magnet]

and like even if it was 2p

any contributions add up

[cerulean canyon]

He did that in the course of two to three hours

Like

What the hell do you mean that's not much in the grand scheme of things

[solid adder]

I meant in comparison to the millions that countries have given, but it is still nice as I said

[cerulean canyon]

Yes but....

Kevin is one person.

[solid adder]

yes

[copper monolith]

it's also many in his community

[cerulean canyon]

Yeah absolutely

I don't know how many people tuned in, last I saw it was 4000

So that means 4000 people raised 45k

[hushed magnet]

yeah cause hes not a whole ass country lmao???

[cerulean canyon]

Imagine

[solid adder]

never said he wasn’t

lol

[hushed magnet]

i get what you mean but its just a really weird thing to say lmao

[cerulean canyon]

Probably less then 4000 people because I imagine not everyone donated

[cerulean canyon]

Weird and pessimistic 😭

[solid adder]

I guess it was pretty weird lol

[copper monolith]

lmao

[zinc talon]

https://twitter.com/SachaBaronCohen/status/1498753606215892992 talking about irony

Sacha Baron Cohen (@SachaBaronCohen)

https://t.co/TiAELttya7

A Jewish President is accused of being a Nazi and targeted for death by a dictator who just bombed a Holocaust memorial.

Who said irony was dead?

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 8:14 PM

[fierce arch]

the idea of being immune from sanctions has been planned for a long time

[split aurora]

\o/

I was there for the second hour of the stream

[copper monolith]

maybe for putin's rich minions, but the average folk will suffer

[split aurora]

it was insane how fast people donated

I'm proud of everyone

there were even 2 people donating $1k each

[cerulean canyon]

NICE

[zinc talon]

Also German supermarkets are planning on banning vodka made in russia from their stores

[zealous rapids]

Damn

[cerulean canyon]

Bars here are pouring out entire bottles of Russian vodka for a price and donating that cost to charities haha

[zinc talon]

That's a cool thing to do

[hushed magnet]

based

[cerulean canyon]

Honestly yeah it is pretty neat

[copper monolith]

dunno if there's any free media left there https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498793585529049099?s=20&t=UPGdJ4AKY_-PHmK-0yNx9g

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Russia bans leading opposition media 'TV Rain' and 'Echo of Moscow' due to alleged “violations” over their reporting of Russia’s war against Ukraine.

Echo of Moscow had run uninterrupted since 1990.

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 10:53 PM

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498794408157794305?s=20&t=UPGdJ4AKY_-PHmK-0yNx9g

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️The UK has also placed additional restrictions on Russia’s Central Bank and sanctions on Russia’s Sovereign Wealth Fund and its chief executive.

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 10:56 PM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/International_reactions_to_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg/2560px-International_reactions_to_the_2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg.png

blue: countries that condemn the invasion, orange blame NATO for all of this, dark grey are neutral and light grey haven't commented yet

what a surprise that the pro russian countries are pretty much dictatorships

[hushed magnet]

damn cant wait to see antarctica's stance

[copper monolith]

xd

[haughty yew]

Based off of if the leaders condemned or if the citizens condemned?

[hushed magnet]

and yeah thats pretty telling

[copper monolith]

leaders

[haughty yew]

Ok

[zinc talon]

Brazil?

[hushed magnet]

i cant imagine that many citizens globally would support the invasion at all

[zinc talon]

https://www.reuters.com/world/bolsonaro-wont-condemn-putin-says-brazil-will-remain-neutral-over-invasion-2022-02-27/

[copper monolith]

from the wiki page on the international reactions to the invasion

[hushed magnet]

except like, a lot of russians and FOX news viewers

[lilac sparrow]

Damn the fuck we do to bengal

[hushed magnet]

im guessing its referring to this

"On Friday, Brazil voted for a draft U.N. Security Council resolution that would have denounced the Russian invasion of Ukraine, despite reluctance by Bolsonaro."

(from that article btw)

[copper monolith]

bolsonaro's support after his fuck up during the pandemic lol, wouldn't be surprised that politicians at UN would go against what he told them

[zinc talon]

"however on 27 Feb. **** Said that he won't condemn the invasion [...]"

[copper monolith]

just more reason to hate his shit tbh

he has no redeemable qualities

[zinc talon]

.^

[hushed magnet]

yeah from what ive heard hes basically just a PoS

i mean my parents support him so thats all i need to know lmao

[copper monolith]

I know this is out of context for the thread, but to sum him up, he's Brazillian Trump, refused to make restrictions during pandemic, never took the virus seriously (see Brazil deaths) and has turned a blind eye to the increasing destruction of the Amazon from miners and farmers

[lilac sparrow]

And the best part, the next brazilian election is between bolsonaro and an even worse candidate

[copper monolith]

rip Earth's "lungs"

anyways, Russia's occupation

[hushed magnet]

thats really just a 1 2 punch to any optimism right there lmao

[icy ridge]

Can anyone confirm this

[hushed magnet]

is there any sources in the article?

[paper cedar]

Since when does China cares about like citizens

first time hearing it

[lilac sparrow]

When it is economically viable

[icy ridge]

I can't see due to paywall

[copper monolith]

I think China would rather still be buddy-buddy with western countries than the singular Russia

[hushed magnet]

yeah pretty much

[paper cedar]

oh that would make sense

that's good

[hushed magnet]

china's economy relies too much on it

[paper cedar]

China isn't so bad after all

[lilac sparrow]

If they condemn the war, they are seen more favorably in the west

[copper monolith]

https://www.tiktok.com/@top.vupysknoi/video/7070060032477515014

[hushed magnet]

nah i wouldnt say that, they just have no option

china isn’t gonna jump on the same sinking ship as russia

[paper cedar]

that's pretty much suicide at this point

[hushed magnet]

china cares a lot about its reputation and economy

meanwhile russia has commited economic and diplomatic suicide

[copper monolith]

I wonder if they would stop genociding Uyghurs and give their citizens freedom of speech if Western countries used the same sanctions of pretty much isolating it from them

[hushed magnet]

i mean one can imagine 😔

[copper monolith]

it's possible, but I doubt politicians would do something like that right now

[keen sorrel]

Gotta remember that sanctions of this degree aren't a magic fix everything tool that 100% hurts the mean people and noone else

[copper monolith]

yeah...

[hushed magnet]

definitely not rn

and well yeah obviously

[keen sorrel]

They hurt everyone and risk the country targetted learning to depend less on said sanctioning countries in the future, making them less effective

This is the reason russia even has a swift competitor

[zinc talon]

I asked myself something similar. If china was to invade Taiwan, UN/EU/US couldn't react that passive after the last week. How would they sanction china, when most of our industry- healthcare and personal life is depending on them

[copper monolith]

👀 https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498799589100605444?s=20&t=wXqw5YXHIxy1l6VR9aIb_Q

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Ukraine’s Air Force, along with units of the army and territorial defense, destroyed a large Russian military convoy near the city of Bashtanka in Ukraine’s southern Mykolaiv region.

Military bloggers reported that the convoy contained up to 800 vehicles.

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 11:17 PM

[keen sorrel]

One attitude I absolutely can't stand are the people going "but you didn't do this for {other conflict here}". Ok, they didn't, that's something to learn from. But what point are you trying to make with that? That noone should ever do it at all because they didn't some other time? Or that a past thing was handled poorly and now cannot be fixed because it is in the past? In which case surely doing it properly now is the solution? Or is it just to feel superior on your preferred social media platform for a few fleeting seconds?

I think I've answered my own question

[split aurora]

oooh

wow

I wonder if that was the one we got video of before

dis one

[copper monolith]

I completely agree with this, I dislike how social media has been flooded with whataboutism, as if people didn't care about those wars

[split aurora]

I mean, I think theres a difference between "Why do we care about ukraine if we didnt care about [X,Y,Z]", and a genuine constructive commentary about how we should apply the same attitude as we did to Ukraine to current/future conflicts in other parts of the world

[hushed magnet]

^^^^^

[coral idol]

There’s some serious irony when you’re trying to “de-nazify” a country and then end up obliterating one of their most prominent Holocaust memorial sites

[split aurora]

Some of the western media reporting about ukraine is fucking disgusting, a lot of racism

https://twitter.com/rtyson82/status/1497702994590187530
https://twitter.com/imraansiddiqi/status/1497607326487826435

Petty Is Praxis (@rtyson82)

“It’s very emotional for me because I see European people with blue eyes and blonde hair being killed”
https://t.co/mKVtEY4IBC

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Twitter · Feb 26, 2022, 10:39 PM

Imraan Siddiqi (@imraansiddiqi)

“Civilized”
https://t.co/AiU7uVmjMr

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Twitter · Feb 26, 2022, 4:19 PM

this type of stuff boils my blood

[hushed magnet]

there is 100% a point to be made about how other conflicts are treated
that point is not "not helping ukraine"

[keen sorrel]

I have yet to see anything close to constructive in this area. I have only seen it brought up as a gotcha

[split aurora]

I've seen plenty of constructive, more or less as much as gotcha's

[keen sorrel]

More than 0 gotchas is a problem

[zinc talon]

Hope that wasn't a reaction to my question since this wasn't the intention

[split aurora]

ye

[hushed magnet]

i mean thats kinda impossible if you look at twitter for more than a minute

[tired scaffold]

The constructive way to do it is to wait until this is over, then ask why our own leaders don't do the same for places like Yemen
Bringing it up now doesn't achieve anything

[keen sorrel]

It was a general complaint

[split aurora]

Eh, I don't think there should be a "requirement to wait"

One can deal with 2 issues at once

[hushed magnet]

i mean, i think its fair to bring it up for sure

[split aurora]

Especially since the war in yemen has been going on for years and years

[hushed magnet]

yeah

[split aurora]

and the war in yemen is one where the west is actively sending arms to the ones committing the massacres, a key significant difference
dont wanna get too off track so i wont go further with this

[hushed magnet]

the issue is when the argument is used as a deflection against the help ukraine is getting

[split aurora]

ye

[zealous rapids]

Is Ein asleep?

[tired scaffold]

This is what I was referring to

[zinc talon]

Yes

[zealous rapids]

Ah

[split aurora]

though honestly, I do think some people (not directed at anyone here) overblow that part to silence constructive commentary

[copper monolith]

might not be around tomorrow as they wished to take a break from looking at all the news

[hushed magnet]

for sure, as with any argument tho tbh

[unreal path]

[viral junco]

That's one of the main points of Russian propaganda

[keen sorrel]

I feel like people do that without needing russia's help tbh

[viral junco]

"Why did you not speak up in Iraq? Why did you not speak up in Yemen?" Etc is said by both russian officials and pro Russian individuals

Essentially the dead cat move

[unreal path]

why didn't you do this why didn't you do that...well we are doing it now :)

[viral junco]

"there's this, but there's a dead cat"
"You could do that, but there's a dead cat"

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498805726902374403?s=20&t=uHYcEOohMzRyLZTndRfRHA

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Russian forces fired a cruise missile at an apartment building nearby Zhytomyr’s Pavlusenko hospital. 2 people are confirmed to have been killed & 3 injured.

Adviser to the Interior Minister Anton Herashchenko says the missile was aimed at the base of Zhytomyr’s 95th Brigade.

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 11:41 PM

fuck off

[hushed magnet]

why should they compromise?

[keen sorrel]

Unspecified date

[split aurora]

I mean, kyiv probably does have no desire to compromise when the 2 sides are

1. Peace and a return to borders

2. Ethnic cleansing and annexation

[unreal path]

guys why is Ukraine being sooooo mean to us

[hushed magnet]

i mean obviously other than because russia wants it lol

[split aurora]

pretty hard to find a compromise there lads

[unreal path]

all we asked for what the end of Ukraine

[hushed magnet]

you dont invade a country and then demand a compromise

[tired scaffold]

Group 1: "We want to kill all of you"
and
Group 2: "We don't want you to kill any of us"
leads to a compromise of
"Okay, Group 1 can kill some of Group 2"

Compromising with fascists lets them win

[hushed magnet]

yep

[unreal path]

doesn't help when they are doing as bad as they are doing

[zinc talon]

Compromise would be neutrality, no NATO and demilitarization?

[copper monolith]

Russian delegation probably didn't like that Ukraine wanted Crimea and Donbass back after the illegal annexation and "legitimization"

[unreal path]

I have a solution

[viral junco]

The nazis wanted the Sudetenland because it just so happened to have all defences and arms production

[unreal path]

every other country but Ukraine and Russia join NATO

:)

[hushed magnet]

"we'll only stop invading you if you stop defending yourself, we promise :)))"

[viral junco]

Just as the Russians want Kiev and Ukraine divided

[zinc talon]

Got that energy

[copper monolith]

did you see that crybaby bitching Putin did the night before the invasion, where he was like "u didnt want us in nato >:("

[unreal path]

I mean if Russia turned around and wasn't well current Russia then ofc they would be able to join NATO

[keen sorrel]

What would happen if a nato country attacked another nato country

[copper monolith]

imagine a world where Russia did join NATO in 2000

[copper monolith]

black hole

[viral junco]

Just war I guess

[unreal path]

hey I have an idea...we just separate Putin, no NATO for Putin but the rest of Russia can have NATO

[keen sorrel]

Like is there a contingency for that or article # whatever

[viral junco]

Are Bosnia and Serbia in NATO?

[unreal path]

that might count as an article 5 kind of moment

[molten tartan]

Nope

[unreal path]

no and no

[copper monolith]

ofc Quora has an article about it https://www.quora.com/What-do-NATO-rules-say-when-one-member-attacks-another

[unreal path]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Map_of_NATO_chronological.gif

[copper monolith]

not yet xd

[zealous rapids]

What is the EU do

[copper monolith]

I think one or both are gonna join in a few years

[unreal path]

when we getting Vatican City into NATO?

[split aurora]

Nato+Moscow v India+China 👀

[zealous rapids]

Like there a union but do they have like rules and such about war.

[copper monolith]

finally, Holy Grenades get added to the NATO arsenal

[hushed magnet]

i am not going to war with india no thanks

[unreal path]

I mean I bet 2% of their gdp goes into military

[molten tartan]

France left NATO for a while didn't they

[split aurora]

ye

[unreal path]

ye

[hushed magnet]

nah just the power of prayer

but without a fee this time

[unreal path]

let Kosovo get NATO membership :>

[zinc talon]

What GDP does the vatican have?

[unreal path]

at least 5

[molten tartan]

that's crazy

800 vehicles??

[zinc talon]

Oh I was kidding about that

But good to know nevertheless

[molten tartan]

If only they could do something to the convoy moving to kyiv

[unreal path]

Vatican City?

[zinc talon]

If we get lucky, they just fall apart before reaching the city

[split aurora]

hey on the upside

its basically staying still

its hardly moving as its so slowed down by breakdowns and logistics

[grizzled steeple]

Yeet Putin into Jupiter campaign apparently

[hushed magnet]

i mean the convy is kinda doing it themselves

[hushed magnet]

maybe it could give a chance to strike them back somehow?

[zealous rapids]

and they ahve no national debt, I think

[copper monolith]

(The Guardian)

[vocal wren]

Re pinning that one

so message is on top

[copper monolith]

ye, soz for not putting it at the top

[copper monolith]

the report linked https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-february-28-2022

[hushed magnet]

looks like shits gonna get even more brutal from here out

[zinc talon]

There are threads about what's going to happen popping up every hour and all of them have one thing in common:
Russia can't take over the city or it takes too long --> Indiscriminate attacks on the city, probably destroying a big part of it

[stark inlet]

i just cant get my head wrapped around all of this

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498812581158567941?s=20&t=87gaF7paDkRGj1tvhWUmdQ

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Valerii Zaluzhny, Commander-in-Chief of Ukraine’s Armed Forces stated that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has slowed down.

According to Zaluzhny, Russian forces have lost their tactical initiative and have been forced to mobilize reserves to continue their offensive.

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Twitter · Mar 2, 2022, 12:09 AM

[stark inlet]

i know that putin wont quit because hed be even more finished

[copper monolith]

based fellow Baltic states sending weapons to fuck up the occupants https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498813422519132164?s=20&t=87gaF7paDkRGj1tvhWUmdQ

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Estonia to provide Ukraine with Javelin anti-tank missiles and ammunition.

Latvia will also send 30 trucks of ammunition, supplies, and fuel to Ukraine, according to the head of the Lviv Regional State Administration Maksym Kozytskyi.

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Twitter · Mar 2, 2022, 12:12 AM

[stark inlet]

but thats just not worth it

[copper monolith]

some Russian forces are waking up to Kremlin's lies too https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498814379197927424?s=20&t=87gaF7paDkRGj1tvhWUmdQ

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Russian troops in Crimea refuse to take part in Ukraine invasion.

The Center for Defense Strategies, citing their sources in the marine personnel in Crimea, says members of Russia’s 810th Detached Marine Brigade are in a “demoralized state."

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Twitter · Mar 2, 2022, 12:16 AM

[stark inlet]

like yea sure lets say that theoretically you conquer ukraine

[hushed magnet]

lets gooooo

[stark inlet]

from then on you have not only deal with highly rebellious and strong willed ukrainians in your own 'country'

but your whole economy is fucked because of sanctions

[hushed magnet]

for sure

at this point russia is pretty fucked

[icy ridge]

👏👏

[hushed magnet]

whether its enough to get them to pull out is an obvious no so far

[keen sorrel]

That is a point I've seen discussed a fair bit tbh, how much work it'd be for them to actually occupy if they succeeded

Since this is the second largest country in europe we're talking about

[split aurora]

technically third :p

[zinc talon]

https://www.axios.com/zelensky-assassination-plot-foiled-7bea049b-2308-4801-b75a-93104c17b82b.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=world-russiaukraine

still not confirmed yet, but big if true

[stark inlet]

still waiting for the wagner people to turn into sunflowers

just like they did back in syria lmao

brought assault rifles to an apache fight

[leaden grove]

I don’t think it‘s Wagner, it seems like a different PMC

[stark inlet]

yup

[fierce arch]

i dont think they plan to occupy

establishing a puppet government is their goal

[unreal path]

Just a reminder since Ukraine most likely will be brought up, the POTUS's State of the Union Address starts a 9pm EST
(English) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVIXLQrC9rE
(Spanish) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPNXjzIJlB0

[leaden grove]

They‘ll have to occupy it first for that to happen

[leaden grove]

Excerpts from it have been posted in the NY Times already

[unreal path]

If you want someone live now a lot of channels are live talking about it including PBS Newshour and CBS News from what I see

[unreal path]

someone leaked it?

[silk iron]

how's things going?

[leaden grove]

Yeah

[split aurora]

Yeah

[unreal path]

oof

[unreal path]

oh it wasn't leaked

just released in advance by the WH

[leaden grove]

Here are the original excerpts: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/03/01/excerpts-from-president-bidens-state-of-the-union-address-as-prepared-for-delivery/

[unreal path]

archive mode activate

[stark inlet]

lmao

[unreal path]

this is so sad

[stark inlet]

russias gonna turn into another cuba in a couple of years

in terms of cars

also bmw

[fierce arch]

they can just occupy themselves

[fierce arch]

honestly its too early to make any calls

[silk iron]

Russians returning to the LADA lmao

[fierce arch]

if russia can establish a foothold

the future will be grim

[hushed magnet]

whether russia manages to take ukraine or not id say they’re pretty fucked

[stark inlet]

apparently citroen and porsche are gonna stop sales too

[fierce arch]

as i said its too early to say that

[stark inlet]

other brands are fucked too because of visa/mastercard shutting down in russia

[haughty yew]

Wait really?

[stark inlet]

yeh

[haughty yew]

Oh shit

[fierce arch]

russia is a massive economy, few can afford to shut themselves off from this market

short term yes, long term no

[stark inlet]

maybe shutting down is an exaggeration

but iirc no more international visa/mc transactions

and they wont be making new cards

[fierce arch]

also people keep forgetting how much energy russia produces

if they keep doing sanctions

russia could just shut off the energy

for half of europe

[stark inlet]

no other way tbh

[split aurora]

hi maybe this is a good reason to invest in countries own self-reliant green energy sources

[stark inlet]

yo poland is all about coal sadly

but iirc we import only 15-18% of it from russia

[lofty wind]

technically you'd still have to import/export energy depending on what type it is but i still think that's what we should be going for

[split aurora]

yes but that happens anyway

the entire EU is hooked up to one huge synchronous grid

Belgium, France, and the Netherlands import less than ten percent of their natural gas from Russia; Spain and Portugal import none. Germany, by contrast, relies on Moscow for about half of its natural gas imports, and Italy around 40 percent. For Austria, Hungary, Slovenia, and Slovakia, the figure is roughly 60 percent, and for Poland, 80 percent. Bulgaria relies on Russia for all of its natural gas.

[fierce arch]

never forget how texas is on its own fucking power grid

[split aurora]

and its dumb as fuck

[unreal path]

that's why they lost power last winter

[split aurora]

NI is part of the irish power grid

[unreal path]

their grid is being more privatized and they can't tape into any of the rest of the NA grid

[fierce arch]

either way

[copper monolith]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61792068

[fierce arch]

russia is kind of

[split aurora]

also japan built two completely different power grids

[fierce arch]

just a little

[split aurora]

ones 230v 50hz

[fierce arch]

important in surope

[split aurora]

ones 120v 60hz

japan not smart.

[fierce arch]

self reliance is kind of impossible

[stark inlet]

color me surprised

[fierce arch]

especially green self reliance

[stark inlet]

not only its pretty much one mans war against the whole country

but the overall state of the russian army is laughably bad

[split aurora]

france comes fairly close

solid 90% self reliant

[fierce arch]

france is one country

also

where do you think the fuel comes from

[stark inlet]

like russians still use steel helmets

they used the same ones in ww2

[split aurora]

theres a difference between a small amount of uranium import from australia and gigantic gas pipes from russia powering 90% of your economy

lets not be pedantic here

[fierce arch]

it doesnt come from australia

it comes from kazakhstan

kazakhstan is heavily influenced by russia

[split aurora]

ah, kazahstan passed australia

2019 Kazakhstan produces the largest share of uranium from mines 42% of world supply, followed by Canada (13%) and Australia (12%), Namibia (10%), Uzbekistan (6%), Niger (5%), Russia (5%), China (3%), Ukraine (1.5%), USA (0.12%), India (0.6%), Iran (0.13%),

still leaves

50% of the worlds supply

and again

lets not be pedantic here

5years of uranium rods vs 5 years of a countries gas looks a bit difference in storage scale

again, its not about "you must have 100.000000000% self reliance"

its

"maybe we should power poland IN poland instead of through gas pipes from russia"

Do not allow perfect to be the enemy of Good

[fierce arch]

people would complain about higher gas prices lmfao

[dull crane]

They bout to sing the Ukrainian anthem at this NHL game pog

[split aurora]

just as people complain by the higher gas prices when russia turns off the gas

lmao

[unreal path]

welp time to switch to electric XD

[fierce arch]

wdym switch to electric

[stark inlet]

in some parts of poland they went up by 400-500% even way before the war

people are not gonna notice at this point lmao

[fierce arch]

either way

[split aurora]

UK gas prices have spiked too

[fierce arch]

its kinda too late to switch

[split aurora]

though not nearly that much

[split aurora]

its too late to avoid this shock

but I highly doubt this is the only time we are gonna have tensions with russia

soooo better time then even to start

[fierce arch]

trying to switch in the midst of a conflict

kind of a bad idea

[split aurora]

......

the EU isn't in a conflict

Ukraine is

theres nothing stopping poland right now from throwing a bunch of money into building solar farms and nuclear reactors

or germany

or czechia

[stark inlet]

as if it made any difference

[split aurora]

I feel bad for Hass f1 team lmao

they join in 2019

get fucked over by a sponsor refusing to pay

only person who will sponsor them if a Russian oligarch in 2021

Under the condition his son is allowed to drove

[split aurora]

his sons a shit driver- now probably gonna be banned for being russian

and the sponsor was yeeted by sanctions

3years or horrible luck

[fierce arch]

there uh

certainly is

[split aurora]

that is...?

[stark inlet]

our govt

in poland at least

[split aurora]

Yeah thats fair

I meant as in

nothing in theory stopping it

Though politicians be politicking

is that a word? it is now

[stark inlet]

yeah thats gonna sting a bit

here in poland at least maersks containers are everywhere

[lofty wind]

as if russia's economy wasn't already dead

[tired scaffold]

Why is Land Rover labelled as General Motors

[stark inlet]

🤷‍♂️

just checked, both companies stopped sales there anyway

i believe out of all major worldwide brands only mercedes didnt quit

[icy ridge]

Friendly reminder State of the Union in 20 minutes

I mean 10

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498824082330107908?s=20&t=VvwfXpWGD6UPLslg1BInog

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Earlier, A senior U.S. Defense Department official told reporters during a briefing that “morale is flagging” in some of the Russian units.

Acts of vandalism include puncturing vehicle gas tanks, presumably so soldiers can avoid transport into combat, the official said.

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Twitter · Mar 2, 2022, 12:54 AM

[copper monolith]

Based saboteurs in russian army

[stark inlet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t4nzaz/recorded_this_short_piece_from_380900_at_045_cet/

fuck i missed my daily military russian radio stream

there are thousands of people listening to that shit every transmission

[icy ridge]

Actually wait

State of the Union is starting

[copper monolith]

The buzzer?

[copper monolith]

Haven't thought of that during this whole thing, just be very active

[copper monolith]

[icy ridge]

Wait...first state of the Union? Didn't Biden give one last year?

[stark inlet]

Russian army is so damn incompetent they dont use encrypted radio channels

[copper monolith]

Good question, what happened there lmao

Unless it was cancelled cuz covid was at the highest ever around his ascension to president

[icy ridge]

Euronews is funded by the EU so..somebody's is gonna get an uh oh for mistyped headline 🤣

[icy ridge]

Nope it happened

I just checked wiki

I wonder how United Congress is gonna be with basically the First War State of the Union for almost 70 years

[icy ridge]

Huh everything is saying it's his first state of the Union

I'm so confused

[snow pecan]

I think it is?? I feel like I would have remembered another state of union

Idk

[haughty yew]

I say just go with it, even if it is the second I don’t think it’s a big deal

[icy ridge]

Ah Nvm last year was a Join Session of Congress rather than State of the Union

[haughty yew]

Oh that explains it

[icy ridge]

Biden is here guys 👀

[dull crane]

Joe is speaking

Joe Byron

[unreal path]

biden is in the discord????

[ruby forge]

https://youtu.be/mVIXLQrC9rE

[icy ridge]

Woah the Entire House was clapping

[rare walrus]

Wait what’s happened so far?

In the address i mean

[icy ridge]

Just began

[dull crane]

It just started

[rare walrus]

Ooh i see, alright

[dull crane]

He said hi

[icy ridge]

Woah even Republicans are clapping, didn't think I would see this day of the entire House United

War really does something huh

[dull crane]

This is the first decent speech I’ve heard from Biden in a while

[icy ridge]

War really does something to all leaders to the free world....Putin literally United Europe so much, Greece and Turkey have a common enemy, Goodbye Swiss Neutrality, Hello to NATO by the Nordic Countries, and Given Biden a Decent Speech for America

[haughty yew]

He’s going after corrupt Russian officials

[icy ridge]

OMG AIRSPACE IS CLOSED

[stark harness]

ayo???

[dull crane]

neat

[stark harness]

no fly zone?

[icy ridge]

No flyzone inderd

Indeed

[stark harness]

holy shit

very good thing i imagine

[icy ridge]

Oh my god, This is a literal war speech if I've ever seen one

[ruby forge]

Wait he announced a no fly zone?

[icy ridge]

Yes

For America

[stark inlet]

Frick

[icy ridge]

OOPS HE SAID THE IRANIAN INSTEAD OF UKRAINIAN

[stark inlet]

I believe this is the first time in a long time where a battling country has been given significant amounts of gear both by its allies and enemies

[icy ridge]

I think his lips accidentally forgot how to pronounce Ukrainian and said Iranian or uranian instead 🤣🤣

[unreal path]

Iran is like BRUH we didn't do anything this time

we are trying to come back to the table about the nuclear deal

[icy ridge]

Oops, even the house went silent when that happened

[unreal path]

poor Iran getting accidently dragged into a situation they had nothing to do with

[icy ridge]

I kinda think that killed the Address

[grizzled steeple]

"HEY WHAT DID I DO THIS TIME?!"
"Sorry, force of habit."

[unreal path]

Russia is like oh they are attacking Iran now? lol okay time to go in

it's okay Iran, you have messed up in the past but we know this isn't you

[icy ridge]

Hmmm....He just said a better idea for inflation should be "just lower your prices not your wages"

Uhm

I don't think that's how it works

[ruby forge]

big brain

[grizzled steeple]

Personally just reading the transcript

[icy ridge]

"I was able to be somewhat helpful" with the G7 on Global Tax

What

Somewhat

[grizzled steeple]

Huh.

[opal cloak]

Simply spend less money guys

Demand cheaper prices

Im sure companies will simply give up greed and allow that

[ruby forge]

Your sad just be happy :)

[opal cloak]

Ukrainian military, just resist the russians, its not that hard, we might somewhat help but you got this guys

[lofty wind]

mm well i did have hopes for this speech but there they go

[buoyant sundial]

?

Yeah I’m confused how that pertains to this thread’s topic.

Oh well

[icy ridge]

Idk why I sent that actually

[lofty wind]

sorry thought we were discussing biden's speech here

[icy ridge]

It was relevant to this chat in the beginning

But now it's just domestic stuff

[ruby forge]

Ye we prob should stop talking about the SOTU as they finished talking about ukraine

[icy ridge]

Yeah

[lofty wind]

fair enough

[icy ridge]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498850437230993411?s=20&t=0FOznwMaurZUspKtCIMGcw

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Biden: US Department of Justice assembling task force to go after crimes of Russian oligarchs and corrupt Russian leaders.

“To the Russian oligarchs and corrupt leaders who built billions of dollars off this violent regime I say: No more,” Biden said.

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Twitter · Mar 2, 2022, 2:39 AM

[grizzled steeple]

(Someone already said it for me lol)

[dull crane]

I couldn’t help but think of Tiananmen Square when Biden mentioned standing in front of tanks

[grizzled steeple]

Not only that, but now the Ukranian that held back a tank

[dull crane]

Yeah

[buoyant sundial]

The what?

That sounds badass to be honest.

I hope it’s what it sounds like, anyways.

[unreal path]

so do we have a possible ETA of when that convoy gets to the capital?

[rare walrus]

Im not sure since its having so many complications with equipment

I remember the prediction of it going 10 mph a day, but i think that was before the complications were revealed to be happening

[fierce arch]

please dont bring american politics into this

[grizzled steeple]

Already dropped the topic

[unreal path]

man can they get anything right?

maybe they are doing this so the world feels bad for them

[rare walrus]

honestly i dont know, there's also reports of them looting food and supplies from markets they pass by, suggesting the supply convoy itself isnt supplied well

[unreal path]

I mean wouldn't be shocked at this point

[rare walrus]

yeah, i just hope Kyiv and all the other major cities like kharkiv that are being surrounded can hold out

[unreal path]

I mean seeing how the people are in Kyiv I bet they could

[rare walrus]

yeah, i bet so too

[unreal path]

this blob server im in who does flags need to make a ukraine one :(

[icy ridge]

Yup sorry, we dropped the topic an hour ago 🙇

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498860322446352388?s=20&t=dLxPPmqntqyg71tPpBstrA

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Vladimir Putin signs decree to prohibiting Russians from leaving the country with more than $10,000 in foreign currency.

The move follows the sanctions the U.S. and allies have imposed on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine.

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Twitter · Mar 2, 2022, 3:18 AM

[fierce arch]

that sounds very illegal

[buoyant sundial]

It sounds like a fucking human rights violation and perhaps something that should be dealt with

…Don’t ask me how were supposed to deal with it. But, just “letting this happen” doesn’t seem to be a good idea…

[minor nacelle]

The wording on that, at least to me, is confusing, is it either:
a) they can't leave taking $10,000+ with them?
b) if they have $10,000+ then they can't leave?

[woven merlin]

I think its a

[finite sable]

They cannot leave with more than $10k in other currencies

On them

[clear pebble]

Makes sense, letting them leave will reduce the amount of wealth physically inside the country

Putin needs them in place so he can squeeze them dry to fuel his wicked deeds

[finite sable]

Indeed

[clear pebble]

Quite frankly, I am not sure how well the sanctions will work just because I am convinced that Putin has no qualms draining his own people to oblivion

[icy ridge]

Omg

Air raids back to back to back

[clear pebble]

yeesh

[stone vigil]

In desperate times people turn to desperate measures, if putin squeezes every last drop of wealth from his country, the people will rise up eventually

[clear pebble]

I hope sure so, they deserve better than that delusional fool

[limber wagon]

Bucha, a town near Kyiv

[vocal wren]

Is that to block off the street so tanks can't get through?

Or is it destroyed tanks?

[limber wagon]

No, thats just burned out husk of vehicles

Also Im pretty sure tanks can just ride over those

For the most part

[vocal wren]

That's true, but their support vehicles cant

[limber wagon]

actually looking again, now Im not so sure

But tanks are made for extremely rough terrain

[vocal wren]

But they need to be refilled every 30 miles or so

[limber wagon]

Dont think refuelling is the main issue in urban combat.

[zinc talon]

Good morning!

[limber wagon]

Oh my god this. The amount of whataboutism I've seen is so aggravating. "But the USA also did a bad", "people only care because white and racism", "well there are reports of racism at the border, so I'm siding with Russia", "everyone who cares about this conflict but not the conflict in [insert here] is so hypocritical", "its all just western propaganda, ignore the mountains of footage that exists", "this is all Bidens fault, this wouldn't have happened if trump was still there". All (paraphrased obviously) quotes I've unironically seen on twitter.

[zinc talon]

https://twitter.com/FrancescaEbel/status/1498901280495915008?s=20&t=6w0pyy5QFcQAcJXxiv0TtA

Francesca Ebel (@FrancescaEbel)

Life in Russia is deteriorating extremely rapidly. So many of my friends are packing up & leaving the country. Their cards are blocking. Huge lines for ATMs etc. Rumours that borders will close soon. “What have we done? How did we not stop him earlier?” said a friend to me yday

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Twitter · Mar 2, 2022, 6:01 AM

[limber wagon]

I wouldn't be surprised if thats true, buuuuut I generally would ignore random twitter anecdotes. Especially the "a friend told me" ones.

Its more about if there is a consistent trend

[viral junco]

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1498766726372155399?t=qmnWUZdVZu2BHfBFrm3wFA&s=19

Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress)

An assassination attempt on Volodymyr Zelenskyy, prepared by an "elite group of Kadyrovtsi (Kadyrov's thugs)," has been prevented in Kyiv Oblast, @NSDC_ua secretary Oleksiy Danilov said. They were terminated.

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Twitter · Mar 1, 2022, 9:06 PM

[clear pebble]

Good, it would be incredibly sad if Zelenskyy died

[zinc talon]

Ik but it's not a random Twitter anecdote and a thing that have been reported by news stations yesterday

Also valid news correspondent

[loud knot]

Ruble at all time low of 117.25 to 1 usd

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1498913738740621313?t=AAZSGxxWDTouWMK9YdSECg&s=19

Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko)

Oh, those traffic jams in the Kyiv area https://t.co/Fxfnzcp34D

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Twitter · Mar 2, 2022, 6:50 AM

[zinc talon]

Local police saying they're running out of space for donations

[copper monolith]

I awake and hear US also bans all Russian flights 👁️