the_ukraine_situation

[zealous rapids]

that is not good

[zinc talon]

shouldn't be an issue. Why moving them when you want to attack?

[haughty yew]

It’s very bad that they are being shown

[rare walrus]

Why would they be setting up ICBM’s for Ukraine which is relatively close?

[cerulean canyon]

A real question

[scarlet crown]

they're set for either kyiv or sumy

[haughty yew]

Could just to show power or to be threatening

[rare walrus]

Hmm i see

True

[hushed magnet]

cause big boom i guess

[scarlet crown]

another set of insiders taken hostage https://imgur.com/a/Iy08Bt4 (Kyiv)

[stone vigil]

ICBM's for the country next to you seems a bit ineffective

[zealous rapids]

unless its for other countries

[scarlet crown]

finland?

could be even Poland

[rare walrus]

Yeah, that’s what im wondering about. If they’re doing it for scare tactics, they messed up on their logic, which is why it makes me think it could be something else, i dunno

[zinc talon]

also they wouldn't just move them in public. Seems more as a threat

[zealous rapids]

that is a good point

[stone vigil]

Yeah I assume these are for threating further away countries for sending aid

[rare walrus]

Hmm true

[cerulean canyon]

That's what makes sense to me

[stone vigil]

moving ICBMS on a highway seems like a nice way to have them tracked

[cerulean canyon]

Because moving them at all is incredibly risky right

[rare walrus]

Yeah

[cerulean canyon]

So why do it unless you had some sort of ulterior motive, such as.... I don't know, a scare tactic

[hushed magnet]

yeah that makes sense

[rare walrus]

Yeah makes sense

[haughty yew]

Yah, most likely a scare tactic

At least I hope it is

[rare walrus]

Same here

[zinc talon]

"As an ICBM flies over, another nuclear state would treated this as nuke-loaded missile. A targeted country can't know what an ICBM is actually carrying!" they have a point

[grizzled steeple]

Well, if russia launches at a country just for providing aid... especially a NATO country, that would trigger the pact, wouldnt it

[rare walrus]

That would yes

I think

Since its a weapon of war, it would very likely be considered an act of aggression

[zealous rapids]

I know its not right, but if it prevents war does it make sense to let them have ukraine

[tired scaffold]

No

No it does not make sense

Because it'll just encourage him to do it more

[zealous rapids]

oh

[copper monolith]

this is putin's war, not russia's

[grizzled steeple]

Appeasement doesn't help. Look at WW2

[zealous rapids]

true

[rare walrus]

Yeah, if Putin gets Ukraine, he’ll likely push farther for more land that the Soviet Union originally had

[tired scaffold]

Such as Moldova and Georgia, which aren't in NATO

[leaden grove]

He might push for the corridor between Poland and Lithuania

[zealous rapids]

could you send the full link thats quite interesting

[icy ridge]

Sure hold on

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/25/chinas-xi-speaks-to-putin-calls-for-negotiation-with-ukraine

[zealous rapids]

and I think its even unusual that another dictatorship doesnt want war

[haughty yew]

It’s good that he’s saying it but it does feel odd

[grizzled steeple]

China is looking at their worldwide reputation

[haughty yew]

Oh true

[zealous rapids]

but, if it makes putin agree it may be for the best, suprised even china can see this would plumit them too

[hushed magnet]

because their reputation, and also a wide scale war would be catastrophic

[zealous rapids]

yes the rep matters to them, why do you think they do all that stuff this olympics cycle

[hushed magnet]

as i think dowo said earlier, china has a lot more to lose than russia

especially in terms of their economy and industry

wait what happened?

[nocturne bobcat]

Can't go making your customers angry at you

Otherwise no money

[cerulean canyon]

Too true unfortunately

[hushed magnet]

also it takes a special recklessness to do what russia is doing rn

[nocturne bobcat]

Yuuup sportswashing's super hot rn

All the rage

[icy ridge]

I'm actually surprised that China would sway a little against Russia on this one

[zealous rapids]

they just tried to hide stuff of like their figure skaters falling down in the olympics

[hushed magnet]

its kinda a testament to much russia is fucking up their global image

[zealous rapids]

cause their rep is that they are perfect

[nocturne bobcat]

Pretty much

[hushed magnet]

nahnah i mean people deleting their messages

[nocturne bobcat]

o

[haughty yew]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/02/25/politics/us-putin-sanctions/index.html

[grizzled steeple]

Well today is friday

[cerulean canyon]

Well it's Friday

Lmao

[grizzled steeple]

For some people saturday

[scarlet crown]

they're doing that rn

[haughty yew]

Yup, just saw that

Direct sanctions on Putin and one other person

[zealous rapids]

do you think biden would ever be able to meet with putin

[nocturne bobcat]

At this stage? Unlikely

[scarlet crown]

it's thought to be a fake as of now

[solid adder]

https://twitter.com/SwedishPM/status/1497310341457489920

SwedishPM (@SwedishPM)

Strong unity in condemning Russia and supporting Ukraine at today’s NATO Summit with Sweden, Finland and the EU. We stand side by side with our NATO partners.

Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 8:39 PM

[fervent matrix]

Joe and Vladimir link up

[nocturne bobcat]

Diplomatic talks are off the table, and any interactions would likely be through their diplomats or over the phone

[cerulean canyon]

Absolutely

[solid adder]

sweden prime minister

[grizzled steeple]

Syria's government is supporting russia Putin it seems? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/25/syrias-assad-praises-russias-ukraine-invasion-as-correction

[cerulean canyon]

It'd be too risky otherwise, I think we are way past the point of talking

[scarlet crown]

sadly

[haughty yew]

That’s not good

[copper monolith]

wew he finally did it

[hushed magnet]

its at the point of punching each other in the face

[haughty yew]

Great

[cerulean canyon]

Thank god

[grizzled steeple]

What else can Biden do?

[scarlet crown]

i hope this does help stop them

[hushed magnet]

its a good thing that china isnt fully backing them

[copper monolith]

ngl what sanctioning those 2 will do, since they could still travel anywhere they want

[scarlet crown]

if putin doesnt care for his people, he must at least care for his money

[copper monolith]

like what assets

[cerulean canyon]

That's what I'd imagine ein

[hushed magnet]

otherwise at that point it could get pretty bad

[zealous rapids]

very good thing, probably because china relies on their reputation for industries

[zinc talon]

seems to be from 2018. Glad to have sites for fact checking this stuff

[nocturne bobcat]

Honestly considering a lot of Russian oligarch assets are stored in banks overseas or in foreign properties, the next course of action would likely to strip them of property if at all possible

[hushed magnet]

yeah thats what i said

[zealous rapids]

ye

[scarlet crown]

could you share links?

[zealous rapids]

i paraphrased you lol

[zinc talon]

https://twitter.com/AuroraIntel/status/1497312594889265161

Aurora Intel (@AuroraIntel)

https://t.co/SXBmevj1Jj another video has been sent over in the DM’s from 2018 of Topol on the move in Moscow which could also be the source, just happens to be that footage is suddenly surfacing again. As some said in the reply to the original tweet, psyops.

Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 8:48 PM

[scarlet crown]

it'd be nice to have some sites to back up info

[nocturne bobcat]

I think the London mayor had called for the seizing of Russian oligarch owned properties, but I don't know how much will come of that

[scarlet crown]

thank you 🙏

[leaden grove]

cough cough Switzerland

[dull crane]

huh

[nocturne bobcat]

Cough

[stone vigil]

This makes more sense

[cerulean canyon]

This face terrifies me

I love it

[zealous rapids]

chocolate eaters?

[dull crane]

Alex Ovechkin spoke about the war, interesting to see sports icons like that taking about it

[zinc talon]

they are not 100% on point but as they say themself "Hi. new followers, as I work through news and situtations some tweets get deleted so misinformation isn’t shared as we cut through everything trying to work out what’s going on. If you see things come and go, that’s why. Also, welcome along."

[leaden grove]

Yes, but also the place where most Russian money in Europe goes through

[dull crane]

Especially sports players who are from Russia

[zealous rapids]

if ovechkin speaks id assume people like panarin would also speak

[solid adder]

my mom hasn't been following the news lol

[cerulean canyon]

It makes sense that sports icons are talking about it tbh

[zealous rapids]

there was also the russian tennis player who said "please no war after winning a match"

[solid adder]

she was pretty surprised when I told her russia was threatening war with our country lol

[nocturne bobcat]

Yup yup, especially those in the international sport spotlight

They've got a platform and all that

[dull crane]

Well especially him since he was born and raised in Russia

[cerulean canyon]

They've got influence interestingly enough so them speaking out against it is a very good thing

[scarlet crown]

It's still something. It's always a joy to our souls to see people outside of this trying to do their part

[zealous rapids]

yes

[solid adder]

😭

[cerulean canyon]

Well this just shows that not all of Russia is allied with Putin

Which we expected

[dull crane]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theathletic.com/news/please-no-more-war-alex-ovechkin-responds-to-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/T6PlTuf9dJ6m/%3Famp=1

[solid adder]

♻️

lol

[copper monolith]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg/2560px-2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg.png
latest map from wikipedia, Konotop is just encircled wtf

Sumy too

[viral junco]

https://youtu.be/xqx0m29WHIU

[cerulean canyon]

Jesus

[zinc talon]

i also follow https://twitter.com/bellingcat who proved to be helpful

Bellingcat (@bellingcat)

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Twitter

[proven steppe]

fucking hate putin, i was saying he should be dethroned back in 2012.

i am so fucking mad

[nocturne bobcat]

https://twitter.com/TSN_Sports/status/1497234776905842688?s=20&t=QQ720SfS71POwaXE_sF3yA

TSN (@TSN_Sports)

Russian tennis player Andrey Rublev writes "No war please" on the camera following his advancement to the final in Dubai. https://t.co/GQe8d01rTd

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 3:39 PM

[hollow grove]

he should've never gotten to the top of the political power to begin with, let's be honest

[cerulean canyon]

Bless this reporter

[nocturne bobcat]

Speaking of Russian athletes speaking out against the violence

[proven steppe]

its really sad to see russian people be brainwashed

[dull crane]

He’s a big supporter of Putin, but even he is against the war

[hollow grove]

it's so clear that the ambassador is literally just reading a file that was sent to him

[cerulean canyon]

Yuppp

[dull crane]

I mean, Ovechkin’s Instagram pfp is literally him with Putin

[hollow grove]

I assume he will change that now

at least I hope so

[azure plover]

he's not going to

[hollow grove]

brainwashed idiot

[azure plover]

he has to save his family from getting in trouble, since they're all back in russia

[hollow grove]

I mean fair

[hollow grove]

but still

I'm sorry to have called him an idiot

[azure plover]

i don't hate his statement and i don't disagree with what he said in this instance, but to say that he's "not really into politics" is a blatant lie

[dull crane]

yeah

[zinc talon]

brutal

[scarlet crown]

could be a one-moment post

[cerulean canyon]

Absolutely

[azure plover]

furthermore, it's ridiculous that the media takes advantage of these guys to talk about it in the first place. this shouldn't have even been an interview. leave him alone

[hollow grove]

I'm sure he is smart enough but just had a lot of propaganda follow him his entire life

[dull crane]

That’s true

[azure plover]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PutinTeam

[dull crane]

you what

[nocturne bobcat]

Oh

[stone vigil]

that is one hell of an embed bamba

[scarlet crown]

No no, i meant the post with him being against war

[hushed magnet]

what the fuck lmao

[silk iron]

lmao

[hushed magnet]

that was a fucking hell of a read

[cerulean canyon]

They've made out many times

[nocturne osprey]

what

[azure plover]

i believe that he doesn't want this war, but i also believe that he still believes in putin as president

[silk iron]

someones been having a laugh on wikipedia again

[azure plover]

https://russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2017/07/14/vladimir-putin-wedding-gift-alex-ovechkin-nastya-ovechkina/

[hushed magnet]

are you ignoring the next sentence? lmao

[cerulean canyon]

Absolutely not I was just stunned by the they made out line lmao

[dull crane]

hm

[azure plover]

there's a lot that goes into this (and i have many more feelings about it), but the number one thing about this situation is that sports media only wants to sensationalize this for no reason

[hollow grove]

media will be media

[scarlet crown]

This is just hilarious
||TW: mentions of pornhub||
||https://imgur.com/a/5LDcVGU||

[hollow grove]

it's fake

[hollow grove]

this is

[scarlet crown]

still pretty damn funny

[hushed magnet]

did it happen to you?

[hollow grove]

true but still

[stone vigil]

damn if only it was true

[granite jewel]

Has this been sent?

https://youtu.be/u0-Yeqh4PFY

[leaden grove]

Possibly

[granite jewel]

I guess in a way

That picture was accurate earlier

[scarlet crown]

yeah i did earlier today

this one has subs tho

[brisk parrot]

https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1497318896176672774

Idrees Ali (@idreesali114)

Ukraine and Russia are discussing place and time for talks - Reuters, citing Zelenskiy's spokesman

Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 9:13 PM

[zinc talon]

there is even an english dub version now

[cerulean canyon]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/25/world/russia-ukraine-war

[cerulean canyon]

How do we think this is going to turn out

[granite jewel]

Hopefully we'll

Well*

Realistically

It probably wouldn't happen

[cerulean canyon]

Because anything Putin says, as far as I'm concerned can't be trusted. I wouldn't put it past him to say he'll back down on xyz conditions, Ukraine agrees and he continues the attack anyway

[granite jewel]

Putin would probably not come

[zinc talon]

"demilitarization and neutrality"

[granite jewel]

Hopefully he does

But we know he'll cancel it

[icy ridge]

How Is Kyiv holding up?🙏

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1497319903514308612

Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992)

Streets of Sumy, where intense street battles took place. "Slava Ukraini!" (Glory to #Ukraine) https://t.co/zNedLTzQ5s

▶ Play video

Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 9:17 PM

[hushed magnet]

wait does russia still not have sumy?

[scarlet crown]

nope

they cant get full control

[stone vigil]

this seems incredibly embarrasing on their part

[dull crane]

Or

Incredible on Ukraine’s part

[scarlet crown]

this whole war is pretty embarrasing on their part

[cerulean canyon]

Agreed

[hushed magnet]

for sure

putin is probably pissed at how embarrassing its been going for them

declares war to prove their dominance, and ends up struggling and turning most of the entire world against them

[fierce arch]

i think russia just underestimated how easy ukraine would be

rn there's like

200k deployed russian troops

100k-200k

[hushed magnet]

you mean overestimated?

[hollow grove]

on the news here they mentioned that Russia has only sent their "scouting" troops atm to see how difficult it would be to take over Ukraine

but I am unsure how truthful this is

[fierce arch]

yeah

[copper monolith]

paying the bills for my apartment, and there's always a charity donation thing to round up the bill, so 57 cents is going to Ukraine, I feel like I just did something actually useful lmao

[leaden grove]

Only 1/3 has been actually deployed so far

[hushed magnet]

i mean i dont doubt russia has a lot more military power they could be using

[hollow grove]

apparently belgium is sending militia to the eastern border

[hollow hollow]

o7 https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1497135949180026881

Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress)

"To stop the advance of the tank column, the decision was to blow up the Henichesk bridge. The engineer Skakun Vitaliy volunteered to perform this task. He mined the brdige but couldn't leave and blew it up together with himself." The unit successfully redeployed - Land Forces https://t.co/7eMWTv03kX

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 9:06 AM

[hushed magnet]

1/3 of all russian troops?

[hushed magnet]

o7

[stone vigil]

o7

[scarlet crown]

that is true, bless his soul

[fierce arch]

not surprising

[copper monolith]

[fierce arch]

nato is being sent just to remind russia

that if they even step across the border

[hollow grove]

o7

[cerulean canyon]

o7

[copper monolith]

ok the charity is the lithuanian red cross, food banks and save the children stuff, and nearly 171k euros have been raised so far by other lithuanians

[fierce arch]

putin's goal in this seems quite clear - depose ukranian government and establish a pro-russian government that can easily be controlled

[scarlet crown]

that's why they're trying to take on Kyiv asap

Those people who are there, protecting it tonight

they're making history

[copper monolith]

👁️

[split aurora]

o7

The Ukrainian army also made a bank account

for donations

got $10mn in 24h

stupid amount of money

[leaden grove]

Of the troops Russia deployed to the border

[viral junco]

https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1497294422354055171

Ukraine / Україна (@Ukraine)

Dear friend, your actions matter. Your voice can be decisive to strengthen Western resolve and protect the security of Ukraine, Europe and the democratic world. Act NOW! See thread with a few simple steps to support Ukraine 👇 https://t.co/5MJx9hzJzs

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 7:36 PM

[scarlet crown]

the last statement is questionable

as far as i've heard, they're willing to negotiate even without us surrendering

[copper monolith]

when you're against an invasion force of ~190k, that's probably not a lot

[split aurora]

Yeah

I just meant by most online donation standards

10million in a day is... almost unbelievable

[nocturne bobcat]

Ik there's pins with resources, but here's a comprehensive list on how people internationally can help Ukraine via charities rather than bank transfer

[cerulean canyon]

The last statement makes me sus of his intentions tbh

[split aurora]

Also anonymous leaked the entire russian ministry of defence

[nocturne bobcat]

Since not everyone can/should wire transfer atm

[nocturne bobcat]

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/25/1082992947/ukraine-support-help

[split aurora]

The info is findable online easily, but for TOS/rules reasons I won't say where/provide links

[cerulean canyon]

I think that's one of the links pinned

[split aurora]

Its names, emails, adresses, phone numbers etc of Russian defence folks

[copper monolith]

gotta have that one as the top

[nocturne bobcat]

Oh mb I didn't realize someone posted the NPR one already

Oh wait no maybe not

[copper monolith]

I don't see one

[cerulean canyon]

Woops my bad

I thought it was in the long list

[copper monolith]

ye best not to

[nocturne bobcat]

All good sage

[cerulean canyon]

[copper monolith]

I'd like to point out that the Russian army is having a shit time getting through Ukraine, like they're moving through, but very slowly, and their enemy is has much less numbers than them in every department, so what does this say about the "Russian Might"? https://armedforces.eu/compare/country_Ukraine_vs_Russia

[clear creek]

Did you guys see the video of the ukranian soldier spelling out the situation to the russian ocupation force he honestly terifies me

[nocturne bobcat]

Oh wow that's a pretty detailed breakdown

[copper monolith]

idk the sources so don't take anything on that website literally lol, I only found it 2 mins ago

[nocturne bobcat]

Their about us for reference

[scarlet crown]

i think that, while that was accurate some time ago, current situation is way different

[clear creek]

Ukranians have evryting to lose they wont give up while most russian teens who where forced into the army propely dont now why there even there

[leaden grove]

Amazing

[copper monolith]

sweet

[copper monolith]

putin's war tbh

[nocturne bobcat]

Oh also, if anyone wants to read up on the history of the tensions between Ukraine and Russia starting in the 1990s, NPR does a pretty good job of detailing everything on how we got to this point
https://www.npr.org/2022/02/12/1080205477/history-ukraine-russia

[clear creek]

Giving up is getting send to a work camp in siberia a fate worse then dead most of the time

[copper monolith]

I mean Russian government is horrible, but I don't think SIberian work camps have existed since Stalin passed

I say this when the past several days I've equated Putin to being the 2nd Stalin

there are maximum security prisons with no heating tho

[fierce arch]

as time passes russia can just send more troops

they've sent a relatively small number to ukraine as i said

[leaden grove]

The issue won’t be troops but logistics I think

[rare walrus]

Yeah, however soon it will be super hard to send in anything due to the ground thawing and making it all muddy

[leaden grove]

And if things get really bad for them, they‘ll go for more missiles

[viral junco]

the russian prisons are the most violent internaitonally so probably

[copper monolith]

it's been quite a warm winter here in eastern europe, so that'll happen quite soon too

[fierce arch]

where did you get that from

china?? north korea?? afghanistan??

[rare walrus]

Ah cool

[fierce arch]

russia is bad but its not like nk

[leaden grove]

As far as I‘m aware, they‘ve mostly been sticking to the highways

[fierce arch]

even then

russia

well

is russia

[rare walrus]

Ah i see, i still think the large amounts of rain and mud will slow them as well

[fierce arch]

if they really wanted they could nuke ukraine

[nocturne bobcat]

Russia is known for having some of the harshest max-level security prisons BUT

They are definitely not the most deadly

Not by a long shot

[fierce arch]

like

[rare walrus]

And itll make ukraine have a much easier time defending with the slower push

[fierce arch]

there is nothing stopping russia from nuking ukraine

except public support

[cerulean canyon]

Why destroy a land you want to control

[haughty yew]

I think the public already isn’t supporting Putin

[rare walrus]

I don’t think Russia would nuke ukraine, that would ruin the point of why Putin invaded in the first place

[clear creek]

Most peapol forget that ukrain has been at war since 2014 they have veterens who dont care about anyting anymore while the russian army is stacked out with teens forced into the war

[cerulean canyon]

Exactly

[fierce arch]

thats not the point

im not talking about carpet bombing with nukes

[cerulean canyon]

It is totally the point.

[viral junco]

the weather is beginning to warm here

though it snowed yesterday

[copper monolith]

urd

[fierce arch]

if russia wanted they could nuke like a single small ukranian town and surrender would be guaranteed

[copper monolith]

bagel ur on the other side of europe

[nocturne bobcat]

If we're looking at Russia's history, their goal would likely be to annex Ukraine just as they did Crimea

[viral junco]

yes but i am northern

[clear creek]

Using nukes in any way will lead to moscow in flames mark my words

[rare walrus]

hopefully it warms up enough to thaw the ground soon

[frail gulch]

those jerk-faces destroyed Mriya

[fierce arch]

i dont think the goal is to annex ukraine

crimea was a warning to ukraine

[frail gulch]

gone but never forgotten

[nocturne bobcat]

So idk whether it would be in their interest to nuke Ukraine, but missile striking has not been and is not off the table

[copper monolith]

I'm like 600km from the nearest battlefield so the weather's slightly similar, and even looking at satellite maps it looks to be around the same

[clear creek]

Has any news been released on the ghost of kyiv

[fierce arch]

russia wants ukraine to be pro russia

[nocturne bobcat]

Other than him getting an ace? Haven't heard much news otherwise

[fierce arch]

at least the government

[cerulean canyon]

I feel like sending a missle is not the way you get that

[fierce arch]

it worked for japan

[clear creek]

Also its almost the dead aniversary of the snake island 13

[copper monolith]

wonder how that's gonna work out for them when literally everyone in ukraine and outside of it knows that it's just some puppets being installed in the government, nobody other than Kremlin would complain about the puppets being removed

[frail gulch]

https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/02/mriya-is-in-whole-claims-an-225-chief-pilot/ it

it's not dead!

lets goo

[silk iron]

nice

[copper monolith]

epic

[nocturne bobcat]

It big

[rare walrus]

The difference is tho now practically everyone has nukes, so nuking ukraine would likely not go without some kind of very heavy consequences

[fierce arch]

nah

whos gonna nuke russia

[clear creek]

If putin uses a single nuke it will just start a domino chain that will end with moscow gouing up into nuclear fire mark my words

[rare walrus]

Ah sweet

[fierce arch]

ukraine is not a nuclears weapon state

[copper monolith]

🙁

[fierce arch]

and its not in a defense treaty

with any nuclear states

[haughty yew]

Oh no

[fierce arch]

and im sure no other country would want russia

and it to be engaged in a nuclear war

[rare walrus]

Its a russian news source, it cant be verified 100%

[clear creek]

Its mid night in ukraine now

[copper monolith]

true

[fierce arch]

russia has lied about literally everything

[stone vigil]

It worked in Japan, because no one else had nukes nor the capability to launch a nuclear strike

[clear creek]

Nightime raids with silent guns will start soon

[fierce arch]

thats not the point

[cerulean canyon]

This

[rare walrus]

Ye

[fierce arch]

the point is that the us nuked japan, and despite the casualties was able to turn public support towards the us

also

[scarlet crown]

Not without resistance, but they indeed took it again

[fierce arch]

nobody will defend ukraine with nukes

nobody has any real reason to

[stone vigil]

No the point is as stated about a million times now, if Russia wanted to use nukes they would have

[fierce arch]

they dont wanna use nukes because they dont think they have to

[rare walrus]

If russia did go and nuke ukraine and didnt face any nukes from anywhere else, the populous of russia would surely be riled up, with possibly revolts id think

[silk iron]

It's extremely unlikely Russia would nuke Ukraine - there's no benefit in nuking a country you're trying to subjugate.
Not to mention the severe international diplomatic consequences - Russia would be isolated on the world stage for decades.

[opal cloak]

Yeah russia wouldnt nuke ukraine

[cerulean canyon]

Exactly

[opal cloak]

Shit whyd that reply

[fierce arch]

putin is fucking mad

theres no predicting what he will do

[opal cloak]

But russia would i think use nukes on others if worst came to worst

[fierce arch]

no

[opal cloak]

Ukraine is territory he wants

He wouldnt nuke it

[silk iron]

Putin is a megalomaniac, but he's not a moron.

[fierce arch]

again

[rare walrus]

Well, i might be wrong but dont multiple people in the russian military also have to agree with putin on a nuclear strike?

[opal cloak]

He would never see it grow if he nuked it

[fierce arch]

nuking doesnt mean complete destruction

[stone vigil]

...

[cerulean canyon]

Yes it does

[fierce arch]

no??

[silk iron]

@rare walrus I would assume so... but i would need to read things.

[stone vigil]

It fucking does

[fierce arch]

again japan

[cerulean canyon]

Where are your sources, racc

[fierce arch]

wh

japan??

[opal cloak]

It means complete destruction and unlivable conditions for the next several years

[scarlet crown]

are you aware of how nukes work?..

[fierce arch]

not the entire country

wtf

[dark tide]

Japan got an atomic bomb. Nuclear is different

[fierce arch]

what

[opal cloak]

Yes nukes havent at all grown stronger in 80 years

[fierce arch]

do you

[dark tide]

Warhead loads have greatly increased since then

[cerulean canyon]

Absolutely

[fierce arch]

that doesnt mean that they NEED to use a very large warhead

[keen sorrel]

Doesn't matter how much damage a single nuke does anyway. Firing one means firing them all eventually.

[rare walrus]

Hmm i see, if it is that case than even if putin went for a nuke, he would somehow need to convince his officials that its a good idea and wont totally bring the downfall of russia or something like that

[scarlet crown]

that

[nocturne bobcat]

^

[opal cloak]

Not as if we had two tiny ones compared to the several thousand massive ones russia has

[rare walrus]

Indeed

[dark tide]

Plus look at Chernobyl. Meltdown years ago destroyed that region

[fierce arch]

how?

as i said

look at japan

[dark tide]

Still uninhabitable

[stone vigil]

Again Japan doesn't work racc, the nukes Russia has now are insanely more powerful, it won't be 2 bombs, it will be multiple rockets with multiple warheads each, dummy decoys and all

[keen sorrel]

You think the country being shot at won't fire back lol. The doctrine employed by some countries right now is to fire on warning even, not even waiting for something to land..

[fierce arch]

ukraine doesnt have nukes

[rare walrus]

Yeah, the nuke would wreak havoc on ukraine, let alone the environmental damage

[opal cloak]

Countries defending it do

[dark tide]

Nukes have gotten larger and more destructive. That was in 1945. 2022 is way different

[fierce arch]

no countries are defending it

no countries have a pact with it

[rare walrus]

Plus, a nuke on ukraine could have environmental damage on neighboring countries

[opal cloak]

There are certainly some strongly allied

[fierce arch]

but

[rare walrus]

Which could possibly bring nato in as well

[scarlet crown]

this is a stupid topic

[silk iron]

firstly, there is no reason to nuke Ukraine when conventional military strategies would succeed.

[fierce arch]

would they risk destroying their entire country

to support another

[opal cloak]

And if russia used a nuke on ukraine that would heavily disrupt neighbors

[rare walrus]

^^

[stark harness]

Y’all ever heard of Mutually Assured Destruction

[dark tide]

Plus jet stream would blow fallout over Russia proper

[opal cloak]

Nuking ukraine would also probably result in almost every world leader turning against putin

[silk iron]

secondly nuking a country you're invading prevents any benefits gained from conquering that nation - it becomes a nuclear wasteland.

[opal cloak]

Violently

[fierce arch]

oh my god

[dark tide]

There’s zero chance Ukraine gets nuked idk why this is a discussion

[silk iron]

thirdly nuking a country is diplomatic suicide

[cerulean canyon]

https://nypost.com/2020/02/12/heres-what-happens-in-a-nuclear-apocalypse/

[fierce arch]

as i said i dont mean nuking every inch of ukrsine

[dark tide]

They’re at Kiev in 2 days

[cerulean canyon]

This talks about the damage if just one nuke

[fierce arch]

nobody

[dark tide]

France took weeks to fall in WW2

[opal cloak]

You think small or controlled nuclear bombs exist anymore

[fierce arch]

would defend ukraine

[scarlet crown]

do you not realise that one bomb is enough?

[fierce arch]

this is not MAD its just AD

[tawny dawn]

There is a game that simulates this, defcon. I would reccomend looking up analysis on that game, because firing one nuke will almost always end with mutual destruction

[keen sorrel]

Russia choosing to nuke any country at all means they could choose to do so for any other country in the future, so why would other countries ignore that just because it isn't them.

[cerulean canyon]

Exactly

[scarlet crown]

the damage it would cause: physical, ecological..

[fierce arch]

people hav a flawed idea that the moment one nuke is launched every other nation will suddenly begin nuking eachother

the thing is

[cerulean canyon]

Preach

[mild heart]

The thing is yeah Ukraine isn't being helped militarily but as soon as you bring a nuke to the table a whole lot changes

[opal cloak]

We dont produce or have bombs that are "convenience size", we have bombs that destroy the entire region beyond recognition

[frail gulch]

anybody here speak Ukrainian?

[fierce arch]

there is no reason why any nation would nuke russia

[opal cloak]

Racc do you just

Not listen

[fierce arch]

because they would certainly be destroyer

[scarlet crown]

i do

[opal cloak]

At all

[fierce arch]

[frail gulch]

Can I DM you some patches I have to translate them?

[split aurora]

hmmm, thats.... curious

Russia earlier attacked and was driven back by a counter-offensive, to attack with "No resistance" seems.... unlikely

[frail gulch]

sorry

[tired scaffold]

Russia: launches one nuke
Everyone else: "Oh fuck, Putin's so unhinged that he's willing to throw nukes around, we have to do something about that"

[keen sorrel]

It's quite incredible how little sense you're making tbh

[scarlet crown]

kk

[frail gulch]

Google translate is being dumb

[tawny dawn]

noone expects all nukes to go off within a second, but firing a nuclear warhead, even a single one, ends with mutual destruction

[fierce arch]

how

[cerulean canyon]

What do you mean how

[fierce arch]

if russia were to fire a nuke at lioe

[cerulean canyon]

Please read the article I posted

[fierce arch]

the us yeah

[scarlet crown]

that's just how it goes man

[tawny dawn]

i would also reccomend reading about the false alarms during the cold wars, and how nukes were almost fired

[scarlet crown]

one nuke can change a lot by itself

[cerulean canyon]

Also again, nuking a land they want to control is counter productive. There's be nothing left

[mild heart]

Any nuclear bomb used on any country will lead to MAD

[fierce arch]

a nuke was almost fired against the us

[split aurora]

Russia also unleashed Armageddon because they wrongly thought they detected a singular US launch

[fierce arch]

this is not the us

[cerulean canyon]

And the fallout would be felt BEYOND Ukraine

[stone vigil]

Racc you're ignoring the fact that modern warheads A: are fired in large amounts on a single rocket like 14 warheads per ICBM B: Modern warheads do create insanely huge blasts whichs fallout would reach beyond Ukraine, and would threaten both Russia and the European neighbors

[split aurora]

during the cuban missile crisis a soviet submarine came extremely closely to firing nukes (2/3 senior staff gave approval, the captain refused) because they were cut off from comms and wrongly thought the USA was attacking

[cerulean canyon]

It saddens me that you think Russia could bomb Ukraine and nothing would happen to Russia for doing that

[tawny dawn]

that does not matter racc, what matters is that nukes get fired. the country is in a sense irrelevant. there is always going to be someone else that retaliates, thus mutual destruction

[keen sorrel]

It's a bit baffling you think other countries wouldn't consider russia an imminent nuclear threat because they fired a nuke at a different country. They would have just demonstrated they are willing to use nukes against people they don't like for reasons that only make sense to them. At that point why would anyone with an already strained relationship with them consider themselves safe.

[split aurora]

anyway this discussion seems extremely stupid so imma dip

[fierce arch]

look

no country

wants to have MAD

[scarlet crown]

same

[fierce arch]

including every other state with nukes

[cerulean canyon]

Which is why Russia WONT use nukes.

[fierce arch]

ukraine has nukes. russia does. nuking russia is guaranteed MAD. nuking ukraine

oh my fuck i give up

[tawny dawn]

if nukes are fired, everything is off the table. thats why the cold war never got hot

[silk iron]

right i'll just summarise why Russia won't use nuclear warheads on Ukraine

• firstly, there is no reason to nuke Ukraine when conventional military strategies would succeed (and by the looks of it will succeed... eventually)
• secondly nuking a country you're invading prevents any benefits gained from conquering that nation - it becomes a nuclear wasteland and you can't establish a puppet government
• thirdly nuking a country is diplomatic suicide, and Russia would be renegaded on the international stage for decades
• fourthly nuclear fallout can be blown across borders into Europe, further raising tensions and giving a justification for war to other nations indirectly hit by the radioactive fallout, which would then have cause to directly intervene in the Russo-Ukrainian war

[scarlet crown]

what are you trying to tell at this point man

[viral junco]

5th is MAD

[opal cloak]

Also nuking ukraine would spread fallout to russia too

[fierce arch]

it depends where the nuke is

[cerulean canyon]

This.

[opal cloak]

Nuking something in ukraine could literally affect moscow

[cerulean canyon]

No????

[silk iron]

but MADness only applies when both nations have a nuclear arsenal

[cerulean canyon]

No it doesn't

[fierce arch]

this isnt chernobyl russia has small nukes

[cerulean canyon]

Wind!!

[fierce arch]

THIS

THISS

[cerulean canyon]

Omg

[fierce arch]

they can literally wait for the wind to blow the opposite direction

[tired scaffold]

Ah yes

[silk iron]

wind is unpredictable

[opal cloak]

Racc are you dumb

[tired scaffold]

The predictable nature of weather

[cerulean canyon]

Ah yes because weather is predictable

You can't count on the weather for anything

[stark harness]

Putin & the gang are fucking insane but I’d imagine even they understand that nukes in this situation would be like pouring oil into a fire

[keen sorrel]

You seem to be really overthinking a situation that russia doesn't have a reason to ever be in

[cerulean canyon]

Absolutely

[opal cloak]

Yes the wind universally blows the same way everywhere and its also predictable and all nuclear fallout is gotten rid of in a matter of hours

[tired scaffold]

Weaponry that relies on weather to not cause friendly casualties was decided to be a bad idea in WWI

[scarlet crown]

I say we should cover this topic up, this discussion is pointless

[stark harness]

^

[cerulean canyon]

I agree

[fierce arch]

you dont need to insult me

[nocturne bobcat]

This is a lot of hypotheticals

[grand pier]

@fierce arch nuclear fallout reaching a NATO country would trigger article 5 since it can be constructed as an attack on the country

[silk iron]

Understanding the rationale behind the usage of a nuclear option is difficult, and as @nocturne bobcat puts it purely hypothetical

[fierce arch]

only if the country wants to trigger article 5

[azure plover]

real people are in an intense amount of danger at the moment and it's not worth the mindless speculation. best to move on

[fierce arch]

which

since nukes

[scarlet crown]

preach

[grand pier]

@fierce arch trust me every single eastern NATO country is waiting for the slightest excuse

[fierce arch]

no they arent

they know

[cerulean canyon]

Thank you, bamba

[frail gulch]

so

Transnystria amirite

[silk iron]

you mean that splinter state in moldova which still thinks it's communist and part of Russia?

[frail gulch]

yes

[silk iron]

and may have given military access to Russian troops?

[frail gulch]

I know someone who was a stone throw away from it

[silk iron]

i haven't followed up on that

[opal cloak]

Wonder who russia plans on going after next

[frail gulch]

the rest of Georgia, central Asia, idk

[cerulean canyon]

Hopefully no one

[fierce arch]

no

[silk iron]

Russia will be trying to stabilise it's economy, and supress the Ukrainian insurgents, in the event they do succeed.

[frail gulch]

North Kazakhstan

[opal cloak]

I think putin definitely has more plans

[fierce arch]

honestly

he doesnt

[cerulean canyon]

This is all assuming he's successful in his takeover of Ukraine

[fierce arch]

sage

[cerulean canyon]

Racc, where are your links

No seriously

[stone vigil]

Putin wants the old Soviet block back and he wants NATO pushed away from Moscow

[opal cloak]

If he fails with ukriane i wonder if he'll pick another former bloc contry to go after

Yeah

[fierce arch]

ohbmy god

sage

everything in this is speculation

[scarlet crown]

yeah this discussion really drifted offtopic, im going to bed

[silk iron]

@opal cloak if he completely fails with Ukraine and is fully repelled it'll be the end of his 'presidency'

[azure plover]

please stop doing that

[cerulean canyon]

So was my statement???

[rare walrus]

yeah, and it was considered in us congress earlier that if russia does succeed, a bill for help from the us for an insurgency could occur

[cerulean canyon]

I literally said "assuming"

[opal cloak]

Some speculation can still be more likely to be correct than some others

[scarlet crown]

peace to everyone, prayers for kyiv 🙏

[cerulean canyon]

Stay safe man

[rare walrus]

gnight, stay safe!

[opal cloak]

I can speculate that tomorrow america is going to send the entirety of its military to ukraine

[zealous rapids]

I thought we were talked about Ukraine

[azure plover]

there's already so much misinformation that can be going around. it's already hard enough to discern facts from speculation. please don't add to it and create even more tension and chaos here

[opal cloak]

Obviously disproveable

[azure plover]

take care, ein. stay safe

[silk iron]

Does anyone have any links on how the Ukrainian refugees are doing?

i think that's somewhere which won't have any disinfo

[stark harness]

Hmm

[rare walrus]

i hear that ireland and poland dropped the need for a visa for ukranians to get into their countries, but other than that i havent heard anything

[cerulean canyon]

Thank you friend

[cerulean canyon]

Ooooo Ireland did too

Last I heard it was just Poland

[zealous rapids]

Why did Ireland do it. Aren’t they a bit far

[rare walrus]

actually i just found a website showing all the countries where ukrainians can go without a visa, not sure if its accurate tho: https://visafreecountries.com/ukrainian-passport

[silk iron]

Ireland likes to help people (potato famine and all), and they benefit from migration economically, and diplomatic clout for assisting refugees.

[zealous rapids]

Oh

[keen sorrel]

Can't help being far away I guess

[zealous rapids]

Ye

[keen sorrel]

Although they did get roped into the discourse ™️ earlier

[zealous rapids]

Cause u need to forbeough lots to get there

[grizzled steeple]

What did i miss?

[zealous rapids]

Why is there a TM on the text.

[nocturne bobcat]

Not a whole lot

[stone vigil]

The more countries the better. Poland will be overwhelmed if all refugees just stay there so spreading them out relieves some of the burden on systems of Poland

[frail gulch]

because ™️

[silk iron]

I think there are those more informed than myself on the Irish political stance towards Ukrainian refugees - i'm assuming from my prior knowledge

[cerulean canyon]

Very good point

[azure plover]

with that being said about refugees: i'd like to pass on this link where you can donate to hatzalah ukraine, which is a crisis organization that has been working on saving ukrainian jews in the cherkasy region to find refuge outside of ukraine https://thechesedfund.com/avior-victims-of-terror-inc/hatzalah?aff=Help

[silk iron]

The migrant crisis will be like 2014-2015 all over again - the EU will have to work together to space out the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian refugees across all member states fairly.

[leaden grove]

There’s also a Latvian fund: https://www.ziedot.lv/en/stand-with-ukraine-4203

[keen sorrel]

I was thinking of this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60517447?pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:0ccc6c94-f998-42b3-938e-fd7881d5d83c&pinned_post_asset_id=6218e1b90ce87e491a0ecfe1

This is the shortest I can make the stupid url

[nocturne bobcat]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/central-european-countries-prepare-receive-ukrainian-refugees-2022-02-24/
Here's some more info about who's actively offering aid to Ukrainian refugees

[cerulean canyon]

Bbc has thicc urls

[nocturne bobcat]

Plus who's sending aid to Ukraine

[keen sorrel]

Just to make the point the original url was https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60517447?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6218e1b90ce87e491a0ecfe1%26'Don't use Ireland to justify the unjustifiable%2C' Russia told%262022-02-25T14%3A44%3A18%2B00%3A00&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:0ccc6c94-f998-42b3-938e-fd7881d5d83c&pinned_post_asset_id=6218e1b90ce87e491a0ecfe1&pinned_post_type=share

[nocturne bobcat]

Amazingly the article wasn't paywalled

[cerulean canyon]

Jesus

[frail gulch]

Sorry to sound like an asshole, but they might just shove them all in one country and let the """""""host country"""""""" use the refugees as bargaining chips to bully the EU even more

[nocturne bobcat]

That's a biggin

[stark harness]

Bless

[cerulean canyon]

Chomky

[stark harness]

100% bless, paywalling info during this crisis would be fucking messed up

[nocturne bobcat]

Yup yup agreed Sylvie

[rare walrus]

yeah, ive seen countless articles online about the ongoings in Ukraine be behind a subscription and stuff like that, its really messed up

[azure plover]

does reuters paywall?

[nocturne bobcat]

Generally yeah

[cerulean canyon]

I appreciate the new York times and the Washington Post making their articles available instead of being like "pay one dollar to read more"

[azure plover]

didn't know that, ty

[stark harness]

Bloomberg credible?

[silk iron]

@frail gulch well i remember last year Belarus tried that with Poland, using Kurdish migrants they took in - what there needs to be is a coordinated effort from the EU to ensure the mass migration is as streamlined and stable as possible. Fortunately I believe most Europeans are in solidarity with the Ukrainian people and will at least tolerate the migrants so you won't end up with right wing reactionary movements like last decade.

[nocturne bobcat]

Np, Reuters generally paywalls articles but they make ones available if they're pertinent to important ongoing events

usually

[frail gulch]

I was mostly talking about Turkey and their general assholery towards Syrians, but yeah

[silk iron]

ah right

[azure plover]

this isn't total scripture, but this is a media bias chart that may help when trying to stick to unbiased/objective trustworthy sources

[frail gulch]

because Turkey """""""""cares""""""""" about Syrian migrants

[silk iron]

Turkey did take in the most migrants of all countries from Syria tho do remember - even if they aren't properly tolerated.

[frail gulch]

Turkey is using the Syrians as bargaining chips against the EU, and have been for the past 7 years

[leaden grove]

^^^^

[zealous rapids]

Is kyiv under control yet?

[frail gulch]

Why else would they threaten to open the border to Bulgaria and Greece?

[leaden grove]

Under control of who?

[zealous rapids]

russia

[frail gulch]

I'm very sorry, but ur mum

[leaden grove]

lmaoo

[leaden grove]

And no

[viral junco]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/prominent-russians-join-protests-against-ukraine-war-amid-1800-arrests-putin

[leaden grove]

Check again in the morning, at the earliest

[cerulean canyon]

That was one hell of a spelling error lmao

I swear I saw a b

[leaden grove]

That was an autocorrect error smh

[cerulean canyon]

Omg

Damn autocorrect

[stone vigil]

Kyiv will probably hold out as long as they physically can

They people defending Kyiv have a lot more reasons to fight than the Russians laying siege

[silk iron]

urban warfare can become extremely bloody and bogged down

I really hope most of the civilians, who aren't fighting to defend their country, get out

[copper monolith]

has no fuck ass been arrested yet

no he made a vid tho epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oULSBdQb-U

[viral junco]

no news on him

[copper monolith]

wtf he looks like a man now, where's the chubby pig boi from 2016

[clear creek]

Have we all forgotten about the russian opesition leader still being in jail

Hope they raid his prison soon free him so he can lead a anit putin rebelion

[silk iron]

Alexei Navalny?

[clear creek]

The one and onley

[silk iron]

i think that's wishful thinking tbh

[clear creek]

We somtimes need to wich for tings to cling onto

[grand pier]

pretty sure he's near impossible to break out, isnt he in one of the siberian work camps the government denies exists?

[leaden grove]

This was reported by the army, if it‘s true this is huge

[split aurora]

IL-76 carries 120-230troops

a huge tragic loss of life, but also a gigantic military win for ukraine

if that is true

[hushed magnet]

sadly tho this is war, there is a huge inevitable loss of life no matter what

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/ColinYeo1/status/1497322354044817409

Colin Yeo (@ColinYeo1)

Wow. Literally today the Home Office has released a short briefing explaining how its new anti-refugee law will enable deportation of a Ukrainian (or other) refugee who passes through a third country on the way to the UK for “overseas asylum processing”. https://t.co/1IFO63WVDE

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 9:27 PM

uk acting to prevent all ukranian refugees entering

fucking bastards

[hushed magnet]

least xenophobic uk law

[zinc talon]

Still yet to be confirmed

[leaden grove]

Yep

[split aurora]

aye

such is the nature of the horror of war

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497349261612232705

Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko)

JUST IN: In Donbas, a Ukrainian S-300 system downs a Russian Sukhoi Su-25 and a helicopter at midnight, Ukraine’s government says

Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 11:14 PM

[azure plover]

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1497348359341936643?s=20&t=jq4vSK00oByByrbrPMtjYA

Liveuamap (@Liveuamap)

U.S. Department of the Treasury releases official statement imposing sanctions on Putin and Lavrov https://t.co/yXrS3FJaNK via @JoeTruzman #Ukraine https://t.co/pQavZgG4CT

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 11:10 PM

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1497340630518812672?s=20&t=LS_rI4l5zZT5Ozm3Zfv2Tw

Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1)

Reuters: BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS ASKED CONGRESS TO AUTHORIZE $6.4 BILLION IN HUMANITARIAN AND DEFENSE AID FOR UKRAINE - U.S. CONGRESSIONAL AIDE

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 10:40 PM

[zinc talon]

Pls check before posting stuff

[clear creek]

Ok just for one second may those men rest in peace most of them propely didend now what they where getting into

[hushed magnet]

i mean no matter what its a tragic loss

no one deserves to die for this shit

[nocturne bobcat]

Just a super gentle friendly remembly that Twitter isn't a reliable source - if there's sources credited within the Tweet then that's different of course. Just be sure to know where the info is coming from.

[clear creek]

But also fuck putin for starting this

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497350064469073927?t=zMLfGQu7dlWcL1yJ3gqsPg&s=19

Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa)

Grateful to all members of the UN Security Council 🇦🇱 🇧🇷 🇫🇷 🇬🇦 🇬🇭 🇮🇪 🇰🇪 🇲🇽 🇳🇴 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 who voted to stop 🇷🇺 treacherous attack on 🇺🇦 & 🇺🇳 Charter. The veto of 🇷🇺 is a bloodstain on its plaque in the Security Council, the map of Europe & 🌎. Anti-war coalition must act immediately!

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 11:17 PM

[hushed magnet]

sadly the reality is that death is inevitable in war 😔

[split aurora]

UN being as useful as ever

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497350380866490368

Володимир Зеленський (@ZelenskyyUa)

As 🇷🇺 continues to attack Kyiv, the draft resolution is co-sponsored by an unprecedented number of 🇺🇳 Member States. This proves: the world is with us, the truth is with us, the victory will be ours 🇺🇦!

Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 11:18 PM

[hollow hollow]

there's unconfirmed reports that ukrainian air defenses have shot down a russian il-76 full of paratroopers, that's huge if true

[split aurora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60528276

BBC report of some noteable instances of fake news

[haughty yew]

From CNN

I hope this one is fake

[split aurora]

It's not fake

the images are available on twitter
extremely gorey, I advise you don't google it. And don't repost it here if you do

Ukraine are compiling that as part of evidence of war crimes

[zinc talon]

They also attacked a hospital with cluster ammunition

[lofty wind]

jfc

[haughty yew]

wtf Putin

[icy ridge]

So do we have a chance of kicking out ru from security Council?

[warm marsh]

Fun fact: Russia, the US, the UK, France, and China are all permanent members of the UN Security Council and each holds the power to veto (like what Russia just did). They are the only permanent members of the UN Security Council, and were made such following the Allied Victory in WWII

[warm marsh]

Nope

[icy ridge]

:(

[warm marsh]

Originally, Nationalist China (now the Republic of China, located in Taiwan) was a permanent member of the UN Security Council, but in the 1970s, following Communist China's victory in the Chinese Civil War in the 50s, they (the CCP) argued that Nationalist China/Taiwan shouldn't hold the seat, and managed to win

[warm marsh]

I could be a little bit off in terms of the specifics so read this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council) if you want to learn more. The fact that Russia is a permanent member of the UN SC (and that they hold veto powers) means that any UN resolution about the current war would have (for all intents and purposes) no chance of succeeding.

[woven merlin]

any resolution is for symbolic purposes to show russian isolation from the rest of the world

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1497172818466947072/photo/1

Thomas van Linge (@ThomasVLinge)

#Ukraine 🇺🇦: this missile failed to explode as it was fired at #Kharkiv.

What's telling is that this missile is in the middle of a neighborhood, not a single military target around. Shows you the disregard to civilian life by the #Kremlin. https://t.co/IA5yD3FbpX

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 11:33 AM

[azure plover]

jesus

[hushed magnet]

what the fuck

[zealous rapids]

Holy

[haughty yew]

Well shit

[grizzled steeple]

I didnt know missiles were that long

[nocturne osprey]

starting to hear more reports of that

here's one:
https://twitter.com/Mariia_Zolkina/status/1497355778545668096?s=20&t=6H0g7OPqUokdb2FEslP8aA

Maria Zolkina (@Mariia_Zolkina)

Ukraine’s Air Defense have shut down IL-76 with Russian landing troops near Vasylkiv (Kyiv region). And after that - SU-24. Make them escape! Glory to defenders of our land! https://t.co/Cafc85Fyj6

Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 11:40 PM

[zealous rapids]

You should see the ballistic ones.

They are like whole truck bed long

[grizzled steeple]

Like "heres a car for scale"

[haughty yew]

I would rather not have the displeasure of seeing one

[icy ridge]

Oh my god 😭

[zealous rapids]

I was not gonna show here but I’ll dm if you want

Oh

Some range to 30M

I guess not

You should add a spoiler

Not sure if people wanna see that

[nocturne osprey]

yea

[solid adder]

why

[zealous rapids]

I was gonna dm rather than show it here

[copper monolith]

long

[zealous rapids]

Cause don’t wanna scare people

No

[solid adder]

big

[zealous rapids]

Bruh

Do a spoiler

[nocturne osprey]

idfk why the spoiler didn't work

[zealous rapids]

It’s two ||

Around the text

[nocturne osprey]

🤨

[grizzled steeple]

Nope

[zealous rapids]

Bruh

[solid adder]

🗿

[zealous rapids]

Hold up

[nocturne osprey]

I am enabling the spoiler maybe they just don't work in threads?

[solid adder]

lemme try

there

ez

[nocturne osprey]

thanks

[zealous rapids]

Bruh how

Is it cause I’m on phone

[azure plover]

you can do it on a phone now

[nocturne osprey]

probably

[icy ridge]

One hour ago it's now up to the rest of the General Assembly

[nocturne osprey]

that's what I was trying to do

[azure plover]

tap the picture and select "add spoiler" or something

[solid adder]

yes

6 pixels

ftw

[grizzled steeple]

To no one's surprise

[icy ridge]

Yeah.....General Assembly is gonna vote on it now since UNSC is paralyzed

[zealous rapids]

Huh

[grizzled steeple]

Well considering its focus is on a member of the SC, i think that would be a given (regardless who it is)

[zealous rapids]

Probably

[zinc talon]

people pointed out that this looks like the remain of a BM-30 Smerch missile. The head (with the explosive) departs from the engine (which is seen stuck in the street)

[hollow hollow]

what was that resolution even trying to do, besides criticize russia? if that’s all it is, who cares if it passes

i thought the un was meant to be stronger than the league of nations, turns out they’re basically the same

[zinc talon]

here is even the structure to explain what can be seen

[nocturne osprey]

wow

[copper monolith]

I sure hope when I wake up and there's still a Kyiv left

[scarlet crown]

as much as i wanted to rest, the coffee rush does not allow me

[azure plover]

you holding up ok?

[scarlet crown]

Yeah

Just feels surreal man

[zinc talon]

i hope so too

[scarlet crown]

Just a few days ago I'd be fooling around with pals in school

Be worried about upcoming exams

to have this all suddenly fall onto us

[zinc talon]

where are you atm?

[scarlet crown]

Still in Odessa, it's surprisingly quiet

There were countless rumours and predictions that we'd take the attack first due to our location

[hushed magnet]

stay safe out there the best you can

[zinc talon]

stay safe 😮

[scarlet crown]

but, fortunately or not, there hadn't been any dangerous movement

of course, we still follow the guidelines and expect future directives

[azure plover]

i know of someone from odessa as well and she sounds as if she's been terrified. i hope that both of you and your families remain safe

[scarlet crown]

Might've been due to tech occasionally rolling down streets and the latest use of air defence strikes

but the situation is very mild compared to other cities

Kharkiv, Chernigov, Kyiv

Mariupol, Melitopol

[azure plover]

unimaginable regardless

so sorry that you have to go through this

[scarlet crown]

what can i say

Whatever happens - happens

I know that my people are set for victory and will do everything in their strength to achieve it

No one wants Ukraine to fall. Not again

[hushed magnet]

yeah i really hope it goes well for you guys

[scarlet crown]

What's up with Kyiv: most official news sources say that occupants are trying to destroy CHP-6, while also committing landing operations in Vasylkiv

[warm marsh]

I just realized that the acronym for the UN Security Council is the same for the United Nations Space Command from the Halo Universe.....

Here's hoping that the GA can actually do something. Like it was said earlier, any resolution passed by the GA will be mostly symbolic, but it'll be a worthwhile symbolic-slap-to-the-face to Putin.

[silk iron]

how's Ukraine doing?

[warm marsh]

Here's also hoping that the Russian people manage to do something successfully against Putin. Maybe this war will be a wake up call, but given Putin's history of cracking down on protests, it's gonna take a lot of guts for the Russian people to stand up to him

[silk iron]

I heard Russia was isolated at the UNSC, China abstaining

[warm marsh]

I may be wrong, but from what I've heard, the Russians have been slowed down somewhat, and that President Zelensky is "discussing possible ceasefire talks with Russia" (according to the Independent).

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497374906278887425?t=vFizsbLu0RTk5bs7f8cB6Q&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️More shelling reported near power plant in northern Kyiv.

For the second time in the past 24 hours, Russians are trying to attack a thermal power station in Troieshchyna, Kyiv’s northern left-bank area.

The Ukrainian military is repelling the attacks.

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Twitter · Feb 26, 2022, 12:56 AM

[warm marsh]

I don't how well they did today, but I do know that the "Ghost of Kyiv" has been fucking up the Russian Air Force

[solid adder]

Wasn’t ghost of kyiv fake

Or am I wrong

I thought I read a post about it being fake

[azure plover]

explosions in kyiv right now

[solid adder]

ono

[scarlet crown]

There's a lot of controversy regarding ghost of kyiv

[loud olive]

the whole thing is dire

[scarlet crown]

.

[loud olive]

I know you're not in Kiev, but having your country be stormed like that is really really rough

so I can only wish you the best

[scarlet crown]

It was thought to be fake, but even the official government channels seem to pin the thought that he is real

[warm marsh]

Could probably be fake, but anything to boost morale

[scarlet crown]

i mean it works

[warm marsh]

Ukrainians need every bit of morale they could get

[loud olive]

they sure do, they need support and most of all they need to not feel alone

[solid adder]

Well I meannnn

They kinda are

[loud olive]

well the whole of Europe is backing them up, but they can't go all guns blazing

I mean France has offered military support, I think Bojo is a little too caught up in Vegan saussage rolls to make a statement yet

Germany supports them

[molten tartan]

any news?

[warm marsh]

Isn't Germany all caught up in that energy-supply controversy (then again, isn't all of Western Europe)?

[mild heart]

Surprisingly he's pledged to support Ukraine, He has dogged exactly what support he'll give but yeah

Probably sanctions tbh

[silk iron]

Scholtz is resisting putting sanctions on SWIFT, and the Russian energy sector, however he has delayed the certification of Nord Stream 2

[split aurora]

tbf france/uk arent as bad, cant speak for iberia

[loud olive]

lots and lots of bombings in Kiev

[split aurora]

france has a lot of domestic nuclear power

[loud olive]

it's a mass takeover of the Capital at this point

[split aurora]

uk gets a lot from british north sea drilling / imported from norway

[loud olive]

yeah The US UK and Canada have Sanctioned russia

[zealous rapids]

I hate talking about this stuff at dinner

Soem people feel strongly about their ideas and don’t let others talk

[loud olive]

and almost all of the EU are backing Ukraine, by cutting off things like bank and oil to Russia

[mild heart]

Yeah just looked up and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyGq_4rZybY&ab_channel=TheTelegraph

[loud olive]

ohh I didn't know that, that's good

[scarlet crown]

Kyivs night

[silk iron]

The UK seems to be really bloody confused atm, apparently there's £2 mil funnelled into the Tory party over the past 3 years from Oligarchs.

[tame harness]

I don't think the sanctions will be enough

[silk iron]

But at the same time Bojo sees the Russo-Ukrainian war as an opportunity to show leadership and make a break from partygate.

[loud olive]

is that what it's being called?

[scarlet crown]

We thought so too, but lately we've also been supported with tech and weaponry

[loud olive]

no they probably wont' be

[loud olive]

oh thank god

[scarlet crown]

not sure if everywhere, but i think it's a fitting name

It's truly the most deciding battle at the moment

[loud olive]

I think so too

[zealous rapids]

Would u still stay if they take it.

[loud olive]

I mean... some people don't have a choice

[dull crane]

Isn’t there mandatory conscription in Ukraine rn? I think the girl I know said that there was

for able bodied men

[silk iron]

yh

between 18-60

[zealous rapids]

What’s conscription

[dull crane]

you have to fight

[zealous rapids]

Ah

[dull crane]

They do

[silk iron]

where you are forced to serve in the armed forces reserves

[split aurora]

Forcing people to join the army

[zealous rapids]

Oh like a draft

[silk iron]

yep

[split aurora]

Ukraine has launched General Mobilisation

All men 18-60 must fight
All citzens 18+ not mandated to can join the fight at request (so women and retired men)

[dull crane]

I think the girl I know said her cousin might have to fight 😬

[split aurora]

ukraine is giving guns to anyone who will take them

20k+ given out to people in kyiv

[scarlet crown]

Im trying not to concentrate on the thought too much but it'd be terrible

[zealous rapids]

Ein are you 18+

[scarlet crown]

no sadly

[zealous rapids]

Oh

[scarlet crown]

If i was, I'd spend my time out there

My main weapon for now is media and internet

[silk iron]

well a noble idea

[split aurora]

Reminder guys, the most effective thing you can do to help ukraine is to donate to Charities on the ground, links are in Pinned messages

[zealous rapids]

What if you can’t donate.

[scarlet crown]

Or come in as a volunteer, i heard that works too

[dull crane]

The yellow in the flag represents wheat, I thought it’d be something more meaningful

[silk iron]

welp you don't donate

[dull crane]

Although yellow also means joy

[silk iron]

only Ukrainian nationals in foreign countries can volunteer

[split aurora]

Sadly then you can't, not your fault. But those who can, and want to help, should

[zealous rapids]

Ok

[scarlet crown]

A wheat field and a blue sky - two things that followed my nation since very beginning

[dull crane]

Ye

[silk iron]

A lot of people have huge financial worries looming over them right now - so donations will be limited sadly.

[split aurora]

Yeah, that's absolutely understandable

[silk iron]

these worries have been made even worse with the oil prices spiking - thx Putin

[solid adder]

bitchass Putin

[tired scaffold]

Wheat is plenty meaningful

[silk iron]

Ukraine is the bread basket of Europe

[dull crane]

Ще не вмерла України і слава, і воля

Like the national anthem says

[tired scaffold]

A lot of history is built on wheat

[dull crane]

Ukraine has not yet perished

[split aurora]

ukraine makes a gigantic amount of the worlds flour, one thing people have overlooked

[icy ridge]

What's the status of Ukraine.....

Or Kyiv

[silk iron]

err the status is sketchy very up in the air

[split aurora]

kyiv siege expected to begin shortly

[icy ridge]

Or Kyiv

[dull crane]

https://youtu.be/xDeQVaoTvJM

[split aurora]

a night of hell awaits

[scarlet crown]

Already began

[split aurora]

ah

[silk iron]

the siege of kyiv will likely be bloody over night

[dull crane]

A lot of misinformation is being spread as expected

[silk iron]

apparently there are talks being arranged tomorrow between Zelensky and Putin

[dull crane]

Sheesh it’s early in Ukraine rn

[zealous rapids]

It’s probably gonna be more guérilla warfare than organized

[icy ridge]

🙏🙏🙏 is it intensifying right now since it's night over there?

[dull crane]

Guess you can’t sleep? Guess I wouldn’t be able to either

[silk iron]

perhaps a compromise will be reached and lives will be spared, and sanctions will be removed

[dull crane]

It’s 3am

[icy ridge]

Oh god then how is siege going

[silk iron]

don't know tbh

[scarlet crown]

"Душу й тіло ми положим за нашу свободу"
we'll spare our bodies and soul for freedom

It's that simple

[split aurora]

Yeah, Russias trying to smack hard in the night

[dull crane]

Yeah

[split aurora]

presumeably as the effectiveness of civilian guerillas is massively reduced after dark

[scarlet crown]

it's hard to pin point who's in lead, we have to keep waiting

[icy ridge]

Hopefully they are still able to strategize

[split aurora]

theres only so much you can do in pitch black without night vis

~3h till ukraine sunrise

[scarlet crown]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/russia-ukraine-live-updates-n1289976/ncrd1289985#liveBlogCards

some good news

[split aurora]

based kazakhstan

never thought id say that but here we are

https://twitter.com/scattermoon/status/1497346967529267205

Elaine Scattermoon (@scattermoon)

Have heard a British friend from Kyiv has made it to Lithuania with his Ukrainian boyfriend but they were unable to get back to the UK together due to UKBA not granting visas, instead they are now going to Ireland, who let them both in without issue, despite neither being Irish.

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 11:05 PM

fucking uk

[scarlet crown]

Yep

The whole duality of EU

[icy ridge]

How about Scotland and Wales? Pretty sure they would accept right

[split aurora]

they dont have a choice

[icy ridge]

England tho is basically the UK

[split aurora]

this is westminster law

[icy ridge]

Yeah 🥲🥲

[split aurora]

not a devolved matter

https://twitter.com/adamparsons/status/1497320632379449347 🙏

Adam Parsons (@adamparsons)

Here in Poland, all 5 Russian TV networks have been taken off air and Polish airspace has been closed to Russian planes. And a nation prepares to accept potentially millions of refugees.

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 9:20 PM

I do fear this will see the start of a new iron curtain

[icy ridge]

Oh this is definitely a Cold War II

[split aurora]

Massive troop walls, closed borders, and airspace closed, even when peacetime returns

[icy ridge]

And the Iron Curtain being the Nato Border

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/meduza_en/status/1497320981420986368

Meduza in English (@meduza_en)

Russia is sending conscript soldiers to fight against Ukraine, their family members say. https://t.co/cJZgRZGNnG

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 9:21 PM

[icy ridge]

That is definitely not going to go well