Extremely gorey descriptions (no images), newspaper artivle about the torture prisons in rebel owned ukraine
#the_ukraine_situation
split aurora
molten tartan
If you've made the choice to fight, I respect it
silk iron
even if Ukraine is crushed, the resolve of the Ukrainian people will not crumble so easily.
molten tartan
Good luck
split aurora
I don't advise reading that if you're easily disturbed, or don't want to feel sick
solid adder
huh
scarlet crown
Yes, South of it. There hasn't been that many fights where i live, but i keep a close watch on everything happening in the country.
split aurora
it makes me sick to read
zealous rapids
Yes, South of it. There hasn't been that many fights where i live, but i keep a ...
Do you think you’ll flee?
faint dew
Well, you know your life better thank anyone here. Make level headed decidigions and good luck to you in whatever path you shall choose.
silk iron
in the event Kiev falls and Ukraine is defeated and the war would likely turn into a guerrilla war with constant insurgency in West Ukraine
split aurora
If you dislike the source, here's one from harvard, less gruesome but still disturbing ||https://www.google.com/amp/s/hir.harvard.edu/donetsks-isolation-torture-prison/amp/||
scarlet crown
Do you think you’ll flee?
Me and my family are not planning on it. Even if it comes to that, I dont think i'd be fine sleeping, knowing that I left my country in the time of need.
cerulean canyon
Bless you
raven fossil
My goodness
zealous rapids
Me and my family are not planning on it. Even if it comes to that, I dont think ...
Impresseive. Good luck.
raven fossil
Me and my family are not planning on it. Even if it comes to that, I dont think ...
Respect, man. I wish you and your family the best
split aurora
Godspeed you brave souls ❤️
scarlet crown
Me and my family are not planning on it. Even if it comes to that, I dont think ...
while there aren't many fights here, im trying to spend as much time as possible online uncovering news and sharing them with my foreign circle
scarlet crown
while there aren't many fights here, im trying to spend as much time as possible...
because the world has to know. I've seen meetings in support of Ukraine in different countries, but I dont think people realise how big of a threat is Russia, especially Putin
molten tartan
Here comes the Calvary
faint dew
@scarlet crown Mind if i ask something in DMs?
scarlet crown
sure
copper monolith
Here comes the Calvary
tired scaffold
If your city were to be invaded by a dictatorship that despises your people, would you rather die defending it or be executed just for existing?
scarlet crown
If your city were to be invaded by a dictatorship that despises your people, wou...
that
haughty yew
Jesus
I’m pretty sure they all have to do one year in the military so they have experience, but still that’s an interesting play
haughty yew
I hope it goes well
cerulean canyon
What does well mean in this circumstance
tired scaffold
What does well mean in this circumstance
Russian suffering.
split aurora
maximum resistance, minimum casualties
molten tartan
"I hope it doesn't fall to the Russians"
molten tartan
Russian suffering.
No
cerulean canyon
Russian suffering.
No.
haughty yew
What does well mean in this circumstance
No needless death
molten tartan
As much as people may like to villainise the Russians here, these are people who are forced to kill or be killed on order
faint dew
Russian suffering.
Just no
cerulean canyon
No needless death
I agree with that
cerulean canyon
As much as people may like to villainise the Russians here, these are people who...
Exactly
molten tartan
We take the very few examples of Russian soldiers being cruel and portray it as if that's everyone
tired scaffold
It's hard to repel invaders without them suffering, but I probably could have worded it better
A lot better
sorry
split aurora
The only difference between the Ukrainian army troops and the Russian army troops is what side of a line in the geopolitical sand they live on
faint dew
Keep in mind that dehumanising enemy is just fucking bad. This is where mass executions, torture and other bad shit starts at
haughty yew
We take the very few examples of Russian soldiers being cruel and portray it as ...
It’s not the individuals it’s the leaders
cerulean canyon
Keep in mind that dehumanising enemy is just fucking bad. This is where mass exe...
Very good point
split aurora
Keep in mind that dehumanising enemy is just fucking bad. This is where mass exe...
t h i s
copper monolith
As much as people may like to villainise the Russians here, these are people who...
a lot of russian people are against the war, and unfortunately can't speak out because they know they'll be put into jail by Stalin2.0, so the only ones that need to be insulted is the half bald egomaniac and his minions
split aurora
a lot of russian people are against the war, and unfortunately can't speak out b...
Many people do speak out, the brave souls
over 50 cities erupted into protest
in St Petersburg alone 850people were arrested
scarlet crown
a lot of russian people are against the war, and unfortunately can't speak out b...
That's why EU provided sanctions aimed more on the Putin and his following too ^^
cerulean canyon
Brave souls indeed, charlotte
tired scaffold
The people of Russia need to be prepared to use lethal force against the police
Last resort of course, but it may be necessary if the strategy of "they can't arrest us all" doesn't work and the cops start shooting
scarlet crown
in St Petersburg alone 850people were arrested
I was genuinely surprised when over 6k people in St Petersburg actually went on street for protest
really did raise my respect towards russians
split aurora
6k? wow
haughty yew
From CNN
solid adder
🦃
split aurora
aye, its a legally defined international straight
copper monolith
man
split aurora
being international waters
molten tartan
Woah
cerulean canyon
JESUS
molten tartan
bit link
cerulean canyon
Hold please
solid adder
nice link
split aurora
at the end of ww1 it was defined as a international stretch of water
and no longer under turkish authority
split aurora
as they say in article, its likely just from radioactive dirt being kicked up
levels are still extremely far from harmful
cerulean canyon
Thank you, val
haughty yew
as they say in article, its likely just from radioactive dirt being kicked up
I hope that’s all it is
scarlet crown
as they say in article, its likely just from radioactive dirt being kicked up
still, it's a very dangerous choice to send troops there. Even a slight miscorrection in action can lead to a whole ecologic disaster
cerulean canyon
Yup
split aurora
still, it's a very dangerous choice to send troops there. Even a slight miscorre...
ehhh
its not that dangerous
its a lot safer then russias attacks on power plants they are also doing
split aurora
Massive civilian armament, ukraine armour is in kyiv
rare walrus
Russians are surrounding the city
split aurora
Russia is approaching fast
rare walrus
Yeah
split aurora
a siege will set in
likely today
or best case tomorrow
over 18,000 rifles distributed to civilians in the city
icy ridge
cerulean canyon
Is this old? I just came across it. Lots of good information
Hour by hour updates
molten tartan
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60517447 BBC has it too
split aurora
reminder russia only got so fast to kiev by breaking the genava human rights act and dressing up in Ukrainian uniform and vehicles
scarlet crown
They're trying their best to topple the capital and put in their another puppet leader
copper monolith
haughty yew
Poland suspended the need for visas to enter the country so that people from Ukraine can come in with only a passport
cerulean canyon
Bless
haughty yew
They made a website to help too
solid adder
cool
haughty yew
Putin is speaking
Link?
icy ridge
Euronews Live broadcast on yt
icy ridge
leaden grove
Ty
nocturne osprey
icy ridge
Idk if it happened earlier but they are eshowing it
nocturne osprey
https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1497195732092264473?t=-rrPkvZ8mwo_L9kYa3oMeg...
Today, at noon in the Belovodsk area, Ukrainian soldiers gave battle to the Russian occupiers. Our units broke through the positions of the invaders and consolidated their success with a counterattack.
Having suffered significant losses, Russian units are fleeing the battlefield in the direction of the Russian border. ```Jesus fucking christ
leaden grove
Idk if it happened earlier but they are eshowing it
That was earlier
icy ridge
Ah okay thanks
molten tartan
```The Environmental Protection Agency informs:
Today, at noon in the Belovods...
Come on lads
icy ridge
Euronews is reporting that Kyiv is underseige now
molten tartan
uh oh
solid adder
lol the chat
solid adder
this stream is looping
copper monolith
go fuck yourself
haughty yew
So much of Putin’s speech was propaganda
solid adder
this footage is atleast 3 hours old
scarlet crown
go fuck yourself
fucking never
scarlet crown
The unity of our army is what helped us thrive a day already
icy ridge
this footage is atleast 3 hours old
Don't worry I have live BBC too so just incase
granite jewel
Watching the live thing
scarlet crown
they expect us to shatter and give up
hollow grove
Putin clearly doesn't see that the entire world thinks he's a maniac
or at least most of the world think he's a maniac
icy ridge
Yeah never open a live chat of a live news stream
haughty yew
The live chat is...
Close the chat, nothing good comes from live chats on news streams
scarlet crown
Putin clearly doesn't see that the entire world thinks he's a maniac
he does not care
granite jewel
I have the live on fullscreen
scarlet crown
he's a dictator with no remorse
icy ridge
go fuck yourself
I AM PRAYING THIS BACKFIRES MASSIVELY
granite jewel
Still discussions about sanctions?
haughty yew
I AM PRAYING THIS BACKFIRES MASSIVELY
I think we all are
granite jewel
Kinda sad that Russian civilians will also have to deal with the punishment
icy ridge
Also a bit weird that Euronews (Basically funded by the European Union) is a bit late by 3 hours and just looping until there is breaking news
buoyant sundial
If I had the option, I would smack Putin across his stupid face. Multiple times. With a hammer perhaps.
granite jewel
I haven't seen it yet
scarlet crown
Also a bit weird that Euronews (Basically funded by the European Union) is a bit...
not so weird, so far EU has shown that they dont want to risk their ass here
hollow grove
Russian rubles have been the lowest in many years, the russian civilians are already suffering from this
granite jewel
And that's sad to hear
viral junco
I wish that the eu would do more
granite jewel
It's not their fault, it's their leader
viral junco
the sanctions do not go nearly far enough
tawny dawn
The ones suffering the most from war are always the civilians
icy ridge
not so weird, so far EU has shown that they dont want to risk their ass here
Sadly I can't really blame NATO or EU as much as I want them to intervene, if any western power intervenes we go go into a nuclear world war
lofty heart
we really wouldnt though
granite jewel
But im also worried if somehow
granite jewel
Knock on wood that it doesn't happen
buoyant sundial
It's not their fault, it's their leader
Same with the troops who are dying. They’re being ordered to die essentially.
haughty yew
From CNN
granite jewel
A stray missile hits a nato nation
hushed magnet
Sadly I can't really blame NATO or EU as much as I want them to intervene, if an...
MAD would still be in effect
lofty heart
exactly
icy ridge
A stray missile hits a nato nation
That's a declaration of world war
buoyant sundial
Isn’t NATO literally just a defense agreement?
scarlet crown
Putin has posted another briefing
lofty heart
both nations owuld kill each other, world would enter nuclear winter
granite jewel
That's my biggest worry
buoyant sundial
Isn’t NATO literally just a defense agreement?
That countries willingly enter?
haughty yew
Putin has posted another briefing
Link?
hushed magnet
A full scale war probably tho, which would be catastrophic anyway
lofty heart
yeah
viral junco
That countries willingly enter?
nato stipulates that if one attacks, all attack
hushed magnet
So nukes or not thats not a good option
buoyant sundial
If Ukraine wants to join NATO, let them join. It’s their choice.
granite jewel
Let's hope that it stays in Ukraine
granite jewel
While that's sounds bad
buoyant sundial
nato stipulates that if one attacks, all attack
Yeah, so defense agreement.
granite jewel
Having it contained is better
vocal wren
It can take a while for a country to join NATO
It's not just them saying "I want to join" then they are in
icy ridge
Uhm current situation can make no deman things to go incredibly faster
paper cedar
I doubt they can join NATO during the war, especially when the president itself is literally fighting with the soldiers rn
nocturne osprey
A stray missile hits a nato nation
a "stray missile" already hit a Turkish ship
buoyant sundial
Well hopefully bombs don’t drop while RT is playing Elden Ring
lofty heart
I dont really see NATO wanting ukraine to join currently
because it would instantly force all other NATO nations to immediately enter the war
icy ridge
Oop forgot rt is live soon
paper cedar
Making it a world war pretty much
lofty heart
exactly
hollow grove
Oop forgot rt is live soon
currently but okay
lofty heart
that's the one thing everyone is trying to avoid
buoyant sundial
Hmm…
hollow grove
anyways I hope sanctions will at least get a bit better as this is madness atm
paper cedar
Exactly, that's why US and NATO didn't do anything yet because nobody wants a nuclear war happening rn
lofty heart
I mean no one wants nuclear war but nuclear war isn't really realistic
they just dont want a world war
paper cedar
Also wanted to post this here
granite jewel
Is this one live?
paper cedar
hushed magnet
WW2 was over 80 years ago, and we know how fucking destructive that was
lofty heart
absolute legend
haughty yew
What a chad
paper cedar
Yeah such a madlad
icy ridge
https://twitter.com/iArmaanKhann/status/1497214257812942854?s=20&t=41UgFzrTYy5fP...
FIGHTING WITH HIS TROOPS TO THE LAST 🙏🙏
scarlet crown
gods bless his soul
hushed magnet
A 3rd world war would be horrific, nukes or not
buoyant sundial
https://twitter.com/iArmaanKhann/status/1497214257812942854?s=20&t=41UgFzrTYy5fP...
Yes. This is the kind of person I would want leading my country. Not a figurehead; a true leader who is willing to actually serve the country.
lofty heart
I mean nukes are horrific, but not because they are super likely to happen
copper monolith
https://twitter.com/iArmaanKhann/status/1497214257812942854?s=20&t=41UgFzrTYy5fP...
-gigachad of a president, holy fuck
granite jewel
Balls made of titanium this man
zealous rapids
bro I dont know how many more presidents would do that
granite jewel
Also the uniform suits him well
hushed magnet
Cant say i know much about the dude, but rn hes being a fucking chad
paper cedar
Yeah, he really cares about his country
humble arrow
-gigachad of a president, holy fuck
got the sigma male grind set
I can’t believe I said that I’m never saying that again
That was cringe of me
vocal wren
He does, but I'm worried about him getting killed in combat, this is not the time for Ukraine to lose its leader
hushed magnet
Yeah it at least proves something that hes willing to fight for the people of ukraine
buoyant sundial
Yes.
dull crane
Just saw something that pisses me off
hushed magnet
You just saw something?
paper cedar
He does, but I'm worried about him getting killed in combat, this is not the tim...
That's true but if he does die that will show how much he cares and his dedication is
This will show the world how good of a leader he is than just running away like most would do
hushed magnet
Thats what this whole chat has been lmao
granite jewel
He does, but I'm worried about him getting killed in combat, this is not the tim...
I wanted to say that but i didn't want to ruin the mood
lofty heart
it's basically just a statement at this point
dull crane
Saw a Russian tank running over a civilians car with the guy in it
granite jewel
Jesus christ...
vocal wren
The guy survived
dull crane
The guy survived
granite jewel
Thank god
tired scaffold
paper cedar
Oh my
buoyant sundial
He does, but I'm worried about him getting killed in combat, this is not the tim...
But at the same time, it proves that the person leading the troops isn’t so distant from the people they are leading to make idiotic decisions. So that might actually save lives…
granite jewel
Saw a video of a house nearly getting hit by missiles
hushed magnet
Yeah its a powerful statement against russia holy shit
copper monolith
https://www.boomlive.in/fact-check/world/viral-photo-ukraine-president-volodymyr...
darn
granite jewel
With the video pov inside the house
scarlet crown
Saw a Russian tank running over a civilians car with the guy in it
you weren't here when i posted the results after a rocket landed in a kindergarten that became a war shelter
granite jewel
So it was fake?
hushed magnet
Theres no fun in war thats for sure
nocturne osprey
FIGHTING WITH HIS TROOPS TO THE LAST 🙏🙏
reminds me of Constantine XI
dull crane
Ghost of Kyiv ✈️
hollow grove
I mean honestly even if it is fake
icy ridge
reminds me of Constantine XI
Soul of the Byzantines indeed
hollow grove
if it brings up moral of the people fighting for their homeland, wouldn't it still be good?
buoyant sundial
So it was fake?
Wait, what was fake?
scarlet crown
Ghost of Kyiv ✈️
there's no real evidence of it being the same guy, but it does sound good hearing that one pilot took out about 6 enemy planes
vocal wren
Ghost of Kyve was fake
granite jewel
Wait, what was fake?
Apparently the pictures were old pictures of the president in service
solid adder
Ghost of Kyve was fake
kyiv* :p
vocal wren
Yeah, I fucked it up, got confused which was the Ukraine spelling
lilac sparrow
Dude was playing ace combat
dull crane
Kiev
solid adder
kyiv
dull crane
Wait nvm
Don’t use Kiev
that’s derived from Russian, while Kyiv is derived from Ukrainian
scarlet crown
Kiev is a russian way of spelling
vocal wren
Yeah
scarlet crown
Kyiv would be more correct
dull crane
Yeah
dull crane
aaa
hushed magnet
As if there wasnt enough reasons to hate russia rn
icy ridge
https://twitter.com/Skyrocket71/status/1497224286435741701?t=xdX0wFJCWukCi7MTXj7...
Are those provinces of Ukraine if so 😭😭😭
lofty heart
it's a company
dull crane
Ukraine
zealous rapids
Ive just seen a post about a man saying bye to his family whos evacuating ukraine, and one of the comments says. "War is started by little men in big rooms. Making decisions that only impact the rest of us" while this doesnt correlate to what you are talking about now I thought it holds true. And a prime example is putin, hes not out there fighting like the ukranian leader, but hes making the decisions which impact everyone else
dull crane
I still think about the name of the Ukraine National Anthem and I hope it holds true
lofty heart
ukranian leader isn't actually out on the battlefield, the photo is old
leaden grove
I wouldn‘t expect him to be
lofty heart
yeah, as much of a statement as it is, it's not very smart in the long run
leaden grove
He‘ll be asassinated on sight
lofty heart
yeah he just wouldnt survive
leaden grove
Putin‘s speech earlier only cemented that point of view
dull crane
I’m honestly surprised that Ukraine is doing this well rn
hushed magnet
what did he say in the speech?
dull crane
With one of the largest militaries in the world bearing down on them
leaden grove
I’m honestly surprised that Ukraine is doing this well rn
Ukrainians are very organised + the missiles are working wonders
dull crane
I know their not at full force
hushed magnet
this is definitely beyonds breathing down on them lmao
dull crane
that’s why I changed it
hushed magnet
and yeah its incredible how well they've been doing atm
leaden grove
what did he say in the speech?
Basically he suggested that Ukraine‘s military should attempt a coup
hushed magnet
yeah ofc he would
leaden grove
He said that it‘ll be easier to negotiate with the army than with "neonazis and junkies"
Classic Putin
scarlet crown
another one of his speeches for show
leaden grove
May he rot in hell
scarlet crown
he still thinks the military will just obey him
leaden grove
I don’t think it’s that
dull crane
Hoping Ukrainian military will somehow be a dark horse
hushed magnet
May he rot in hell
"theres no purgatory for war criminals, they go straight to hell"
leaden grove
I think he might stage a faux coup using spies he has in the Ukrainian army
leaden grove
"theres no purgatory for war criminals, they go straight to hell"
Yep
vocal wren
I saw a tweet chain from a former military stratigest, and he think Ukraine has a real shot of winning as a major part of a battle is the willingness to actually fight. And Ukraine will be more willing to defend their home then the conscripts Russia sent
scarlet crown
I saw a tweet chain from a former military stratigest, and he think Ukraine has ...
That's the main goal
keep up the prayers and repost information 🙏
vocal wren
I wish I sent that here
dull crane
Ukraine is a scrappy lil country
hushed magnet
Hoping Ukrainian military will somehow be a dark horse
hopefully someone can prove me wrong, but i feel like the idea it wont end badly is wishful thinking tbh
but yeah thats definitely a true point
rare walrus
I saw a tweet chain from a former military stratigest, and he think Ukraine has ...
Yeah, russian troop morale is already super low, and some of the parts of the military don’t even know what they’re being sent to do, as seen with that platoon surrendering
hushed magnet
and its been true for other wars in the past
rare walrus
If anyone would stage a coup however, id guess it would be the russian military against putin, since pay is maybe gonna lower for them as well because of the russian economy crashing
dull crane
Ukraine has a lot to fight for
rare walrus
Indeed
dull crane
Russia? Not so much
buoyant sundial
A Russian coup? Yes please.
rare walrus
A Russian coup? Yes please.
Yeah, i genuinely think its a big possibility, since either russian troops have to be payed less or the civilian people have to be payed less, meaning more people likely protesting as well
Whatever the case though, i really hope the bloodshed ends soon
dull crane
Russian Revolution but this time for good
hushed magnet
russia has more reasons to not fight
unless your putin i guess cause he only cares about power over ukraine
dull crane
If anything in the modern age would cause an overthrow of the government in Russia, it’d be something like this
hushed magnet
true
dull crane
In other news, guess the Pope went to the Russian embassy and scolded them
hushed magnet
If anything in the modern age would cause an overthrow of the government in Russ...
lets hope that wouldnt end badly tho
dull crane
Yeah 😬
buoyant sundial
In other news, guess the Pope went to the Russian embassy and scolded them
Really? Huh.
hushed magnet
you know you fucked up when the pope is telling you you're gonna go to hell
rare walrus
Yeah, its up in the air as to what would happen after a russian coup, since usually they dont always go well
dull crane
copper monolith
go fuck yourself
lol more on this
dull crane
Sometimes I wonder what goes on in Putin’s brain
stone vigil
nothing, clearly
dull crane
Ukrainians no longer need visas to enter Ireland 😎
copper monolith
he is calling the Ukrainian government a "drug-addicted neonazis"
Zelensky is literally jewish you knobhead
scarlet crown
he is calling the Ukrainian government a "drug-addicted neonazis"
yea they put that tag on us a long while ago
icy ridge
Does he not do research or
molten tartan
copper monolith
scarlet crown
they also seem to interpret nationalism as a bad thing
hushed magnet
he is calling the Ukrainian government a "drug-addicted neonazis"
that would be fucking hilarious if it didnt have any weight
copper monolith
hilariously enough their mass media is full of nationalists constantly berating the west and saying that Russia is the greatest in literally everything
hushed magnet
eh, nationalism is usually a pretty bad thing
patriotism is different tho, especially when it comes to standing up for your country against a literal invasion
scarlet crown
Hypocrisy and propaganda, what can i say
hushed magnet
hilariously enough their mass media is full of nationalists constantly berating ...
and yeah lmao
dull crane
scarlet crown
old news
dull crane
Ur old news
solid adder
no u
scarlet crown
Ur old news
dull crane
No gif embeds here kiddo
zinc belfry
we are all equal, except the mods, they have embeds
vocal wren
Guys, remember the gravity of the situation
molten tartan
Not sure how reliable this is but
scarlet crown
we are all equal, except the mods, they have embeds
first we win the war, then we fight the mods
molten tartan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Russo-Ukrainian_War_detailed_map This might be a useful page just to get an idea
dull crane
Russia Ukraine people
zinc belfry
apparently, the circles are safe spaces for ukrainian people
dull crane
Apparently Lithuania is supplying Ukraine which is good
related, but people plz
why
brisk parrot
Twitter
hollow hollow
honestly what could they possibly do to stop them from joining nato?
rancid sand
Finland and Sweden are both EU countries, repercussions for Russia would be harsher if they did anything.
lofty heart
At most, declare war
hollow grove
have you been keeping up with current events?
lofty heart
Which would be unjustified
hushed magnet
well, what did they do to ukraine
hollow grove
the whole war is about Ukraine wanting to join NATO
split aurora
At most, declare war
ngl russia probably still has pstd of finland
hollow grove
according to russia
hollow hollow
they wouldn’t attack them if they joined nato tho
split aurora
no but they can attack as they are in the process of joining
hollow grove
sure they wouldn't attack them if they are a part of it
lofty heart
True because nato would all declare war on russia
solid adder
oh no
split aurora
finland would need a nationwide refurrendum
hollow grove
but the problem is that it takes years for a country to join Nato
split aurora
that takes time
hollow grove
it's not as easy as just saying "I am part of nato"
hushed magnet
yeah joining NATO is a longgg process
rancid sand
The current evens have kicked up a lot of talk on joining NATO in Finland.
hushed magnet
if it was that easy to join NATO in a day then chances are Ukraine would be a part of it
split aurora
the 39-40 winter war is a perfect example of how to resist a major power though ngl
hollow hollow
russia wont just go around invading everyone, their economy cant take that
and their military is already demoralized enough
split aurora
its a risk though
a huge risk
and a risk that could result in russia turning washington dc into a memory
stone vigil
if you're referencing russia using nukes, then most of the world would be a memory
hollow hollow
if russia were dumb enough to nuke the west they would’ve done it already
scarlet crown
if you're referencing russia using nukes, then most of the world would be a memo...
true, since the first nuclear bomb would mean others coming along
and the ecological damage that'd cause
hushed magnet
yeah if russia just attacks sweden or finland its gonna escalate as much as it can from there tbh
hushed magnet
if russia were dumb enough to nuke the west they would’ve done it already
no ones saying otherwise tho lmao
stone vigil
true, since the first nuclear bomb would mean others coming along
that and retalitory strikes
split aurora
A war between ukraine and Russia and N.A.T.O and Russia is completely different
Russia wouldn't nuke ukraine, but would they nuke the usa? a lot more likely
hollow hollow
they’re having enough trouble with a smaller and less technologically advanced force in ukraine, i doubt they’re eager to attack finland or sweden
zinc talon
Just having a break at work. Why are ppl still talking about nuclear threat. Thought we established already that this is nonsense
hollow hollow
Just having a break at work. Why are ppl still talking about nuclear threat. Tho...
that’s what i’m saying
split aurora
Just having a break at work. Why are ppl still talking about nuclear threat. Tho...
we're talking about a hypothetical
russia invades finland after they join nato
nuclear threat is nonsense in current scenario yes
hollow hollow
russia is not invading finland, ESPECIALLY if they join nato
zinc talon
Russia is hiding behind their nuclear umbrella to act while keeping the west from interfering
stone vigil
nukes have lost a lot of power tbh, sure they're massively destructive, but its a case of if you fire off a nuke, you will get nuked
they've just become a bargaining tool
hollow hollow
putin is a maniac, but he’s anything but stupid. he’s not hitting the nuke button unless he sees nato tanks in red square
split aurora
thing is, finland announcing they will join nato
and joining nato
is a several year gap
thats the risk period
a huge risk period
clear creek
Zelensky is gonne stay in kyif he wont abandon the capitol
rancid sand
benefits of invading Finland would be very minimal. No extra resources, the harbours freeze in winter. He doesn't even have the excuses and lies he is using right now with Ukraine (separatist areas, persecution of ethnic russians).
split aurora
where russia has incentive to attack and nato has no requirement to defend
split aurora
benefits of invading Finland would be very minimal. No extra resources, the harb...
He threatened military repercussions if they join nato
is what sparked this
zinc talon
Btw: Germany finally managed to deliver the promised helmets https://twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/1497232829683572744?s=20&t=HM3YYoqu2D76bmOb9FEklw
split aurora
russias only invaded finland once before tbh, and got absolutely fucked
the Finns caused unbelievable damage to the Soviets
hushed magnet
yea lmao, a repeat of that would fuck over russia
zinc talon
Btw: Germany finally managed to deliver the promised helmets https://twitter.co...
Wouldn't it be this tragic, it would be funny
hollow hollow
ukraine at least has some strategic value to russia, finland has none
split aurora
yea lmao, a repeat of that would fuck over russia
Sumo Hayha slowly rises from the grave
is that what his name was I forgot
hushed magnet
i think so yeah
rancid sand
*Sumo Hayha slowly rises from the grave*
Simo Häyhä
split aurora
close enough
hushed magnet
ukraine at least has some strategic value to russia, finland has none
well yeah but a threat is still a threat
brisk parrot
Twitter
scarlet crown
looks like russia is really digging their own grave
zinc talon
Imagine complaining about NATO expansion while actively threatening non NATO members
rancid sand
The arguments for and against NATO in Finland are both about Russia. People against NATO say that joining would give Russia a reason to be aggressive, and that is why joining isn't good
yeah. There's a reason "finlandization" is an actual term.
stone vigil
I mean in the face of threats from russia, I assume that NATO would try and speed up any countries trying to join, especially if they were neighboring russia
split aurora
During the cold War finland stayed safe by being equidistant from both powers
zealous rapids
do you guys think extremly neutral countries like switzerland will get sucked into this
split aurora
Neither side made a move, as they didn't want to break the balance in Scandinavia
split aurora
do you guys think extremly neutral countries like switzerland will get sucked in...
no of course not
Switzerland sat eating chocolate during the second World war
nothing will bother then
stone vigil
do you guys think extremly neutral countries like switzerland will get sucked in...
no they'll stay neutral till the end
also next to bombing switzerland, it's really fucking hard to invade
zealous rapids
Also noticing by the countries involved this seems like much of a problem for western countries. It seems continents with bigger porblems in countries are staying out of it. Such as australia, south america, some of asia and africa
zealous rapids
also next to bombing switzerland, it's really fucking hard to invade
cause of the geography right?
stone vigil
cause of the geography right?
partly yes
stone vigil
Also noticing by the countries involved this seems like much of a problem for we...
I mean many of these countries have strong ties or economic debts to russia and china so if they were to get involved it would sadly be on the russians side
zealous rapids
ah
zealous rapids
do gold caps on top of buildings mean capital buildings?
tired scaffold
I think that's a church
mild heart
https://twitter.com/Krupa/status/1497244045667614724?s=20&t=6KpdDQE4gPasn8aZMNjO...
It looked a beautiful place, such a shame this has happened
zealous rapids
oh
tired scaffold
https://twitter.com/Krupa/status/1497244045667614724?s=20&t=6KpdDQE4gPasn8aZMNjO...
fourth picture is St Michael's Monastery in Kyiv
icy ridge
What's the situation atm
cerulean canyon
Absolutely beautiful location
scarlet crown
do gold caps on top of buildings mean capital buildings?
no, just churches
zealous rapids
ah
thats like in the US usually only capitol buildings are covered with a gold top
scarlet crown
What's the situation atm
Fight in Kyiv, first shootings in Mykolaiv
icy ridge
Heard Sweden and Finland is thinking of joining NATO....Uhm would love that but the year long delay
scarlet crown
If Mykolaiv falls, my city, Odessa, will be next
scarlet crown
Current map of events
The army is doing it's best
There's not enough thanks in the world for brave volunteers
In Kyiv, almost 18 thousand men stepped in
haughty yew
Wow
molten tartan
scarlet crown
seems odd, since there are already videos
scarlet crown
President's speech regarding the fakes of military and government leaving Kyiv
https://imgur.com/a/NYgJGT8
No subtitles sadly, but in the video he shows and tells that everyone is still here, protecting Kyiv
Him, Premier minister, others
icy ridge
Hopefully nobody believes the propaganda of them leaving
scarlet crown
There's first news of shootings in the port
guess shit's gonna happen before mykolaiv
copper monolith
are you safe? far away from the front lines?
scarlet crown
yeah i am pretty far away
icy ridge
https://twitter.com/coe/status/1497240124836519939?s=21
👏👏👏👏
icy ridge
We just need Security council now
hushed magnet
yeah i am pretty far away
i hope you stay safe out there
icy ridge
yeah i am pretty far away
🙏🙏
solid adder
https://twitter.com/coe/status/1497240124836519939?s=21
what does this mean
hushed magnet
huge fucking support for anyone in ukraine rn 💛💙
icy ridge
What other intl organization can we suspend them from?
hushed magnet
damn, how tf will russia ever recover from that 😔
hushed magnet
more progress than fucking eurovision lmao
solid adder
molten tartan
I believe Kherson is basically in Russian control at this point
icy ridge
Apparently those who opposes the Coe vote were
Russia, Armenia, Serbia, Hungary and Cyprus
haughty yew
From CNN
solid adder
seems like the majority of Ukrainians think that
is Ukrainians the right word?
lol
molten tartan
Believe so
molten tartan
There's also fierce fighting near Kharkiv
scarlet crown
as honourable as it is and everything, thats mostly just fucking sad tbh
it be what it be
haughty yew
scarlet crown
There's first news of shootings in the port
Update: local government says those were our counter-air defences
scarlet crown
rusnet becoming real
solid adder
nicee
icy ridge
Let's go Ukraine
split aurora
full thread of above tweet
Tweeter is a reuters foreign policy correspondent that covers the pentagon, so chance this did come from an official is high
brisk parrot
Twitter
scarlet crown
i feel like we might win this lads
rich viper
i feel like we might win this lads
Here's hoping!
Today is certainly looking better than yesterday!
leaden grove
Hey, in case anyone is interested, LTV (Latvian public broadcasting) is hosting a charity concert tonight to support the people in Ukraine. You can find more information and ways to donate on ziedot.lv (in Latvian), they‘ve collected 1 million € already
haughty yew
brisk parrot
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1497266678601859081
Twitter
leaden grove
It’s too late to supply air defense systems I think
Stinger missiles are still a valid option, but a full-on system would require prolonged training
split aurora
It’s too late to supply air defense systems I think
tbf this might just be more of the same
manpads and such
scarlet crown
they got a signal for something in the air
leaden grove
Latvia is projecting the Ukrainian flag on the Russian embassy 😁
scarlet crown
no need to worry though
atomic vigil
Why does putin claim that Ukrainians are neo-nazis?
lofty heart
Because putin needed some excuse to fight Ukraine
scarlet crown
Why does putin claim that Ukrainians are neo-nazis?
Part of good ol' propaganda
lofty heart
Even if it's not true
atomic vigil
Ahh
leaden grove
Bless him
silk iron
@atomic vigil specifically Putin accused the Ukrainian government of being neo-nazis, despite Zelensky himself having Jewish ancestry. - It's an attempt at a justification for deposing the current Ukrainian government and installing a puppet regime in Ukraine loyal to the Kremlin
hollow grove
Thing is right the sports people know that they might get banned from international events due to this war
scarlet crown
so many russian sportsmen and musicians are acting against war
really says something
hollow grove
Scientists too
The people dont want this war
Saw some report of a russian woman who said that putin promised he wouldnt go to war about 4 years ago and now realises that he lied to literally everyone
azure plover
Thing is right the sports people know that they might get banned from internatio...
yeah. the sheer amount of fear on his face, and yet it's such a brave act of protest
hollow grove
She was an older woman on national television here
vocal wren
I hope that guy stays safe
hushed magnet
the only person this war is good for is putin
haughty yew
Very few to no Russians want war but the government silences all the protesters before there can be real change
scarlet crown
Saw some report of a russian woman who said that putin promised he wouldnt go to...
just like Lukashenko claimed back in 2014 that he will never let russian troops through his borders again
haughty yew
snow pecan
ahh CNN
someone on there pronounced Kyiv as "Keeev" and it's been bugging me ever since
tbh i've heard a couple people mispronounce and even misspell city names, hopefully they get on that and fix it as things progress
opal cloak
viral junco
snow pecan
yea that
scarlet crown
honestly it's easier to check the pronunciation online
snow pecan
i'm more disgruntled that news people don't know their stuff versus people still learning about it
azure plover
|ˈkiːev|
apparently this is the russian pronunciation and the ukrainian one would be more like kuy-yiv
but it's probably a moot point
scarlet crown
apparently this is the russian pronunciation and the ukrainian one would be more...
yeah
hard to find
hard to describe
copper monolith
the main battle is about to happen
icy ridge
What is Georgia doing??? Why are they not doing sanctions
ALSO really praying for Kyiv to survive
zealous rapids
sadly not sure if that will happen
copper monolith
I remember when Russia invaded Georgia during/after the Beijing Olympics in 2008
and now they're doing it again, but with Ukraine
zealous rapids
ye
tbh as much as I dont want it to happen, I think its inevetible that Kyiv doesnt fall to Russia
vocal wren
Wasnt there already gunfire and artillery in Kyiv?
hushed magnet
has russia not began an attack on kyiv yet?
copper monolith
it's been slowly worming in all day, though with a small part of the main forces that are gonna get there soon
vocal wren
hushed magnet
posted earlier i think, but yeah... fuck...
solid adder
boi
hushed magnet
https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1497285592207429633?s=19
wooo cam on bri'ain !
zinc talon
zinc talon
Imagine having a country, where the mp's learn to use weapons to help in the defense
hushed magnet
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMc5OfIXIA4IdYR?format=jpg&name=large
lmfao this is literally what the situation is
tawny dawn
They've been saying that before aswell. People here are and were unnerved about it
copper monolith
what are they going to do, invade you too?
tawny dawn
Hopefully not
hushed magnet
the biggest issue there is that joining nato is huge process
id say itd probably also just make russia mad, but it looks like protection against russia is important now lmao
solid adder
couldn't it actually make finland and sweden want to join NATO more?
vocal wren
I feel like considering current situations, joining NATO might be easier for Finland and Sweden
solid adder
yea
copper monolith
I'd want you to join NATO tbh
solid adder
same
copper monolith
after Ukraine it would take a long time for Russia to recover
maybe enough time to officially join
viral junco
i would be worried ireland would try to join
hushed magnet
do you think anything will develop from sweden & finland thing
cant say i know all that much, but i dont think russia will be able to attack once the ukraine situation is over
copper monolith
since we are the weakest in europe
wait until u hear about some countries in the east
copper monolith
kinda oof for an island nation
solid adder
atleast finland should join NATO
copper monolith
but at least those tax euros go to better things
viral junco
...yeah about that
copper monolith
atleast finland should join NATO
be the buffer zone for u
vocal wren
Good
tawny dawn
Finland borders Russia though. And from my understanding that is exactly what Putin does not want. Sweden has gotland, and is also part of a buffer zone between NATO and russia
icy ridge
The more NATO the better
solid adder
apparently about 30% of swedes support NATO membership right now
copper monolith
also this guy on the BBC broadcast, he keep saying the US is supporting neonazis that control Ukraine, but when asked for proof, he just talks about some random shit
copper monolith
apparently about 30% of swedes support NATO membership right now
only huh
solid adder
yea
copper monolith
I wonder if that changed after this week
icy ridge
also this guy on the BBC broadcast, he keep saying the US is supporting neonazis...
I- who let them into the broadcast
solid adder
probably
copper monolith
I- who let them into the broadcast
hear the other side
icy ridge
Make sense
vocal wren
also this guy on the BBC broadcast, he keep saying the US is supporting neonazis...
Is. . . is this surprising?
hushed magnet
also this guy on the BBC broadcast, he keep saying the US is supporting neonazis...
i mean, the US was funding some far right groups until 2018 i think?
but like, obviously that doesnt justify it overblown by russian propaganda to justify a fucking invasion
copper monolith
the republicans?
solid adder
copper monolith
oh this reporter actually being 5head, why didn't putin just go to the UN with all the evidence, cuz nobody would want nazis in control of countries again
nocturne bobcat
also this guy on the BBC broadcast, he keep saying the US is supporting neonazis...
Mm yeah I haven't heard anything about that here in the states. That being said the dude could probably call out like 20 different ways the US was awful towards Ukraine and supportive of Russia dating back to 2016
icy ridge
Question is this a government guy ???
copper monolith
yes
solid adder
@copper monolith
icy ridge
Ah okay that makes absolute sense then
copper monolith
mm
nocturne bobcat
Idk why they gotta make stuff up when historically the US has been incompetent at best and malicious at worst for almost 8 years now with handling Russia/Ukraine tensions
brisk parrot
icy ridge
China really be walking oh landmines and eggshells
hushed magnet
Idk why they gotta make stuff up when historically the US has been incompetent a...
for sure, i mean other than to justify russia ofc
copper monolith
https://twitter.com/JarrettRenshaw/status/1497289060506914824
dont let russia join ur thing when they get kicked out of swift lol
icy ridge
Isn't what Russia doing absolutely contradictory to what China says "respect a nation's sovereignty"?
hushed magnet
feels like china is that one friend to russia that owes them something, but doesn’t wanna piss everyone else off
hushed magnet
china is probably doing it to ease tensions, they’re hypocritical enough that they probably actually couldnt care less
nocturne bobcat
See, China actually has shit to lose though if things don't calm down
Russia really doesn't
hushed magnet
yeah
nocturne bobcat
Russia has a trash economy and all their chips are in oil and maybe hard metals. They can do whatever they want with hardly any long standing issues right now provided they don't mess with NATO
That's not the case for China
So if China can avoid watching all of it's customers dying in an unnecessary war, they'd probably rather do that
snow pecan
what benefits are given if a country joins NATO?
solid adder
uh
nocturne bobcat
Despite being wholly sympathetic in morals to what Russia's doing (if we look at their record of crimes)
snow pecan
only asking since russia seems to not want anyone else to join
hushed magnet
what benefits are given if a country joins NATO?
most important thing atm is guaranteed protection if they get invaded
snow pecan
ah i see
snow pecan
oh damn
solid adder
so he doesn't want other countries to join
nocturne bobcat
only asking since russia seems to not want anyone else to join
Well the big takeaway is that they don't want any more of their bordering neighbors joining NATO
hushed magnet
if a country joins NATO theyre basically out of reach for russia
solid adder
yes
snow pecan
oh wow that's pretty significant
nocturne bobcat
Some random country in South America joining NATO wouldn't matter to Russia, but Finland, Sweden, and the likes are really really close to Russia
In terms of geography*
hushed magnet
yeah
hollow grove
they want these countries to stay out of the NATO as sort of a buffer
solid adder
yeah I would prefer not to be invaded pls thanks
nocturne bobcat
they want these countries to stay out of the NATO as sort of a buffer
Yeah this ^^
Ty I was really struggling to articulate lol
snow pecan
ah that makes a lot of sense thanks
hollow grove
if a NATO country would be right next to their border they would most likely be scared that the NATO was too close to Moscow so they wish for the NATO to stay as far away as possible
hushed magnet
they want these countries to stay out of the NATO as sort of a buffer
yeah pretty much
hollow grove
if a NATO country would be right next to their border they would most likely be ...
at least this is what they mentioned on the news here
hushed magnet
historically thats kinda been russias goal since the USSR
frail relic
Nato is a defensive allience, but russia doesn't see it that way and see it as a major security threat
snow pecan
ah i see
thanks for answering, i usually ask my bf these things since he's into politics and has family in the area, but i didn't wanna overwhelm him
scarlet crown
"End with the fucking chatter, it's time to help Ukraine"
https://imgur.com/a/jTgEzFN
snow pecan
i've learned a lot in the past few days tho, situation is rough
hollow grove
okay let's be honest here guys
the social media support for ukraine is both a blessing and a curse
people sharing what they are doing is definitely being picked up by the russian military as well
and it's also good as it shows the world what is happening and might make more countries join
scarlet crown
A flat in Kharkiv, hit with rocket through the kitchen. No one was harmed.
https://imgur.com/a/w3lxQOM
hushed magnet
people sharing what they are doing is definitely being picked up by the russian ...
quick flood twitter with screaming about WW3 again
make the russians cringe so hard they cant find any intel
zinc talon
if a NATO country would be right next to their border they would most likely be ...
I've heard that argument very often, but NATO is a defense pact. So the only reason to be scared would be, if you plan on attacking a NATO state.
scarlet crown
minus 40 units of russian tech under Konotop
hollow grove
I've heard that argument very often, but NATO is a defense pact. So the only rea...
I know that, you know that, but apparently Russia thinks otherwise
snow pecan
they used the cringe to destroy the cringe
hollow grove
as Me57(Jon) clearly stated
nocturne osprey
Twitter
zinc talon
I know that, you know that, but apparently Russia thinks otherwise
BCS it is a strawman argument
solid adder
WELLLLL
hushed magnet
I've heard that argument very often, but NATO is a defense pact. So the only rea...
thats true, but it was formed under a pretty anti USSR context
solid adder
"planetary environment disaster" is bs
hushed magnet
ofc that was like 60 years ago
copper monolith
lol
fervent matrix
50 year old russian mums punching the air rn
nocturne bobcat
:(
hushed magnet
rofl
snow pecan
wait so they're censoring facebook for censoring them? or is that too simple of an explanation?
grizzled steeple
https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1497270926131359745?t=_ZO7B-Wu_PtRLIRBb...
fervent matrix
fun groovy cool
scarlet crown
"The Minister of Defense of Ukraine addressed the residents of the Russian Federation.
Especially - to the wives, mothers of Russian soldiers and officers.
In a few days of intervention in Ukraine, as many Russian troops will be destroyed as in two Chechen wars. Thousands. Thousands.
The ruler of Russia has become a murderer. The killer of not only Ukrainians, but also Russians.
We know that now some of the youngest boys are being urgently taken into the army all over Russia. That they are preparing to transfer recruits without minimum combat skills. That contractors are not told where they are actually going. And what awaits them.
Hide your loved ones if they are dear to you. Don't send them to certain death! They will be killed from every window in every Ukrainian city.
Step out in the streets. Demand to stop the war. Demand to withdraw the Russian army from Ukraine.
Do not be afraid! The truth is on your side. Now you can still change everything so as not to regret later.
When all information about the Kremlin's war crimes is revealed, your loved ones will be very grateful to you. "
nocturne bobcat
wait so they're censoring facebook for censoring them? or is that too simple of ...
They [Russia] have unreliable state media sources spreading false information on Facebook. Facebook fact checks those statements and found many to be false. Russia gets mad and asks Facebook to stop fact checking their news outlets and Facebook refuses, kinda. So Russia bans the platform from their country altogether in retaliation.
snow pecan
i'd say it's working, haven't seen much misinformation yet
hushed magnet
the most unbelievable part of that is facebook fact checking lmao
snow pecan
tru
nocturne bobcat
Yeahh, and I mean technically Facebook relies on people to report misinformation, which then causes it to go under review
And then someone at Facebook determines if it's false info or not iirc
But the funny thing is that Facebook usually doesn't remove false information, they just put a little tag at the bottom saying that it's incorrect
grizzled steeple
lol
nocturne bobcat
So unless the media itself broke TOS, it wouldn't be removed in theory
snow pecan
probably decided to beef it up then given the circumstances
nocturne bobcat
Unless Zucc grew a spine and or soul and decided to actively combat Russian propoganda but historically speaking.... 
fervent matrix
nah
grizzled steeple
It was probably his staff, not Zucc himself
snow pecan
well wasn't there a lawsuit about misinformation on facebook? did they face any consequences from that?
fervent matrix
no more money to be made, and their dirty laundrys now out in public, so all the men in suits are cutting ties with Russia
hushed magnet
zucc is incabable of growing a soul
fervent matrix
if any company cuts ties with russia or a russian company they're not doing it because they're "deeply affected by the situation", it's a money move
zinc talon
thats true, but it was formed under a pretty anti USSR context
there's a lot of misinformation on both sides tbh (wrong tag)
hushed magnet
if any company cuts ties with russia or a russian company they're not doing it b...
for sure
nocturne bobcat
well wasn't there a lawsuit about misinformation on facebook? did they face any ...
Yes they did get handed a lawsuit for their misinformation practices but I'd have to check sources to find out which countries actually got them into real trouble
hushed magnet
there's a lot of misinformation on both sides tbh (wrong tag)
yeah, as with anything
its not really a case of sides as much as it is just that misinformation will exist anywhere
well i mean tbf propaganda is a pretty one sided thing
zinc talon
ofc. Just saying bcs. russia is actively spreading misinformation for propaganda means
nocturne bobcat
Also friendly remembly: no one is immune to propoganda
From any side on any message or topic, everyone's susceptible
snow pecan
true that
zinc talon
ofc. thats why it is important to fact check stuff, esp. in context of a crisis
hushed magnet
yup
scarlet crown
ofc. Just saying bcs. russia is actively spreading misinformation for propaganda...
I'll be honest, ukraine is guilty of that too at times
But for Russia?
the lies seem almost infinite
hushed magnet
even if theres a pretty clear right and wrong side, reality is never cut and dry
nocturne bobcat
Also not trying to go off topic, just wanted to drop these here for context on the previous comments about Facebook
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/04/1042921981/facebook-whistleblower-renewing-scrutiny-of-social-media-giant
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/10/25/here-are-the-biggest-facebook-papers-charges-zuckerberg-caves-to-communist-government-and-lets-celebrities-break-the-rules-more/?sh=42f272171fa7
zinc talon
I'll be honest, ukraine is guilty of that too at times
as i mentioned above
hushed magnet
the US is certainly guilty lmao
fervent matrix
the US is certainly guilty lmao
This is the case for like every conflict they're involved in
hushed magnet
yup for sure
snow pecan
<@621709984010469402> mb for the ping, sources for the Facebook stuff ^^
no worries, thanks
hollow hollow
every country spreads propaganda when they’re at war, that’s hardly anything new
nocturne bobcat
the US is certainly guilty lmao
Shoutout to the time the former US president illegally withheld Ukraine military aid that was already set aside for them by Congress 
leaden grove
every country spreads propaganda when they’re at war, that’s hardly anything new
yep, the only new thing is that we have the internet now
And TV
nocturne bobcat
Yup yupp
We can make info travel far across the world from the comfort of our homes
leaden grove
My grandparents sent me a video about Ukraine published by NTV (Gazprom affiliate) two months ago and oh boy, there were so many lies in there
hushed magnet
Shoutout to the time the former US president illegally withheld Ukraine military...
didnt know that, but not surprised
nocturne bobcat
didnt know that, but not surprised
It's wild considering that's what his first impeachment offense was about
scarlet crown
|| TW: SLIGHT INJURIES, HELD IN HOSTAGE ||
|| Russian troop, taken hostage, calls his parents at home. As he states, they didn't know what they were doing, they were just sent to Ukraine ||
||https://imgur.com/a/2F1oPtB ||
sadly no subtitles, vid just in
solid adder
damn
grizzled steeple
Interesting
zinc talon
every country spreads propaganda when they’re at war, that’s hardly anything new
the point was not propaganda alone, but also the spread of misinformation, which doesn't need to be intentional to cause harm
nocturne bobcat
the point was not propaganda alone, but also the spread of misinformation, which...
Yeahh, I can see what you mean by that
hollow hollow
misinformation is a very common tactic too, just look at d day and the invasion of italy
nocturne bobcat
When in doubt: ask for sources
hushed magnet
the point was not propaganda alone, but also the spread of misinformation, which...
i mean propaganda is most effective when people believe it and spread it themselves
nocturne bobcat
And if you're still unsure, verify those sources against other news sources
leaden grove
|| TW: SLIGHT INJURIES, HELD IN HOSTAGE ||
|| Russian troop, taken hostage, call...
I hope they‘re treating them well
leaden grove
Yeah, I saw a Russian military ambulance delivering wounded soldiers to a Ukrainian hospital
scarlet crown
that was a thing ^
zinc talon
And if you're still unsure, verify those sources against other news sources
what i find a bit questionable is, that verified journalists should know how to fact check, seem to spread this misinformation as well
cerulean canyon
What are the latest updates?
zinc talon
I already had several posts that i fact checked in minutes and found to be misinfo, without working in the field for years
nocturne bobcat
what i find a bit questionable is, that verified journalists should know how to ...
Mhm, but unfortunately there's too many news companies that operate based on profit and engagement rather than journalistic integrity
hushed magnet
^
fervent matrix
cough the sun cough
zinc talon
also talking about freelance correspondents
nocturne bobcat
Ahh yeahh
nocturne bobcat
*cough* the sun *cough*
The sun suuuuucks
hushed magnet
the sun is fucking horrendous
zinc talon
also Bild [axel springer sucks]
scarlet crown
Ukraine 24 livestream, Kyiv
the reporters are working even underground
https://imgur.com/a/XV7lRHW
solid adder
Ukraine 24 livestream, Kyiv
the reporters are working even underground
https://i...
that looks like a greenscreen so bad
cerulean canyon
any update on recent stuff, been away for like couple hours
That's what I'm wondering
zinc talon
any update on recent stuff, been away for like couple hours
attack on kyiv
zealous rapids
how so
scarlet crown
that looks like a greenscreen so bad
does seem like so, but it isn't
solid adder
That's what I'm wondering
maybe the finland sweden threat is recent news to you?
idk thats the only thing I can think of
fervent matrix
that looks like a greenscreen so bad
Lighting looks off, i think it is, maybe hiding actual location?
solid adder
Lighting looks off, i think it is, maybe hiding actual location?
I was thinking that
cerulean canyon
maybe the finland sweden threat is recent news to you?
Yeah this sounds new
zinc talon
Lighting looks off, i think it is, maybe hiding actual location?
could be for security reasons?
cerulean canyon
It's been a few hours since I checked in here
fervent matrix
maybe
faint dew
Small insert on POW topic - as far as i saw, both sides treating their POWs pretty well. At least i never saw profs of opposite so far.
solid adder
Yeah this sounds new
yeah so russia threatened finland and sweden if they were to join NATO blah blah blah
hushed magnet
russia basically threatened force if sweden and finland join NATO
cerulean canyon
Jesus
nocturne bobcat
Yeah the biggest things are the invasion of Kyiv - where Zelenskyy is staying in spite of the invasion - and Russia making threats against Sweden and Finland if they try to join NATO
hushed magnet
theres probably a few links above somewhere if you want sources
nocturne bobcat
russia basically threatened force if sweden and finland join NATO
Yeah that
cerulean canyon
The fucking gall of this man
scarlet crown
we're living in the tilting point of time lads
fervent matrix
I love living through major historical events
rare walrus
|| TW: SLIGHT INJURIES, HELD IN HOSTAGE ||
|| Russian troop, taken hostage, call...
I wonder, just how much of the Russian military doesn’t know what they’re being sent for?
scarlet crown
I wonder, just how much of the Russian military doesn’t know what they’re being ...
seems like most of them
fervent matrix
"grandpa what did you do during the russia-ukraine war?"
"i talked about it on discord" 🗿
hushed magnet
death, destruction, and the imminent threat of global war 😃😃😃
leaden grove
🗿
scarlet crown
From what's been gathered, most of them say the same thing: they were told that ukraine was going to attack and were sent in
hushed magnet
"grandpa what did you do during the russia-ukraine war?"
"i talked about it on d...
lmfao oh god
solid adder
🗿
scarlet crown
"grandpa what did you do during the russia-ukraine war?"
"i talked about it on d...
on god
rare walrus
From what's been gathered, most of them say the same thing: they were told that ...
Yeah, and if more of them learn whats going on, i feel like that could push more of the possibility of the military turning back on Russia.
hushed magnet
im not having kids so they dont think im fucking embarrassing
cerulean canyon
Good plan
rare walrus
Yeah, and if more of them learn whats going on, i feel like that could push more...
By russia i mean Putin and his corrupt gov officials and stuff
scarlet crown
Yeah, and if more of them learn whats going on, i feel like that could push more...
Some already are: there's been instances of troops leaving tech behind, retreating without command
rare walrus
Ah i see, i wonder what the likelihood of a Russian coup or something like that would be with all this
rare walrus
True
nocturne bobcat
Ah i see, i wonder what the likelihood of a Russian coup or something like that ...
Well, idk about a whole organized coup but there are already cases of soldiers surrendering to Ukraine because they didn't wanna kill anyone
rare walrus
As i see i see
fervent matrix
Well, idk about a whole organized coup but there are already cases of soldiers s...
Yoooo the France method?
rare walrus
I heard about the Russian platoon that surrendered as well
nocturne bobcat
There's also been mentions of people signing up for the Ukraine army from Russia, as well as protests taking place in large Russian cities. Suffice to say, there is some level of pushback, but not everyone's agenda is gonna like up exactly
fervent matrix
Not the being against killing, the surrendering
hollow grove
I feel like soldiers who turn back to their country while laying down arms without command will risk much worse than the war
I don't know this for certain
nocturne bobcat
Not the being against killing, the surrendering
The french out here doing it both ways
zinc talon
There's also been mentions of people signing up for the Ukraine army from Russia...
also in bulgaria
hushed magnet
i dont know if thats an indicator of how likely a coup is tho
cerulean canyon
There's also been mentions of people signing up for the Ukraine army from Russia...
Honestly I'm just grateful to see any amount of pushback from Russia's side
Those brave people
rare walrus
I feel like soldiers who turn back to their country while laying down arms witho...
Yeah, i agree with you there, coups are often pretty messy and can lead to years of bloody conflict within the country as well
nocturne bobcat
i dont know if thats an indicator of how likely a coup is tho
I'd imagine it would be incredibly hard to organize at a large enough scale
hushed magnet
I'd imagine it would be incredibly hard to organize at a large enough scale
same, especially without being instantly crushed
rare walrus
Also, how’s the defense in Kyiv going?
hushed magnet
russia arent taking too kindly to the mere thought of finland joining NATO, let alone a coup to overthrow putin
scarlet crown
https://twitter.com/YourAnonTV/status/1497273131567828992?cxt=HHwWgMCyrd7-sMcpAAAA
About 2 hours ago, unsure if true
solid adder
oh my
rare walrus
Woah, the entire thing
zealous rapids
what is it?
nocturne bobcat
russia arent taking too kindly to the mere thought of finland joining NATO, let ...
Plus you know for a damn fact that they'd move Putin and his allies to some remote area away from any danger
solid adder
Twitter
hushed magnet
isnt this the first time "anonymous" has done anything serious for a long while?
solid adder
aww it didnt embed correctly
zealous rapids
what was the sheet of
hushed magnet
Plus you know for a damn fact that they'd move Putin and his allies to some remo...
well yeah for sure
scarlet crown
what was the sheet of
it seems it's a sheet of personal accounts taken from the mil ru website
solid adder
isnt this the first time "anonymous" has done anything serious for a long while?
anyone can be anonymous, it's not a group of specific people
hushed magnet
yeah thats why i used quotes
zealous rapids
oh
solid adder
oh ok
hushed magnet
i meant anyone using the name anonymous lol
zealous rapids
I wonder if this group would be able to hack into communication systems
hushed magnet
also as much as a coup would be great and all, it'd have to be in the right hands
cerulean canyon
^
rare walrus
^^^
hushed magnet
its real easy for that shit to go badly, especially with bad organisation
rare walrus
Yeah, and it can leave a country with years of internal war as well
hushed magnet
and yeah, id love to see it happen and go well
zinc talon
there is a power outage on kyiv? anyone know whether russia managed to get hold of power plants? been at work until last hour
rare walrus
Lemme see if the live feed will load
scarlet crown
there is a power outage on kyiv? anyone know whether russia managed to get hold ...
That is a fake.
hushed magnet
and yeah, id love to see it happen and go well
but idk how realistic that is tbh
scarlet crown
The power is still on
the nuclear plants tho..
They took remains of Chernobyl by coming from Belarus
rare walrus
The live feed from the Washington Post is down now, so i dunno
scarlet crown
pretty much holding workers hostage
zinc talon
That is a fake.
ah ok, just wanted to check the cam on yt and it said "shut off bcs. of power outage"
rare walrus
Ooh i see, i wonder what actually turned the footage off
hushed magnet
tbf it could just be something relatively minor
rare walrus
True
scarlet crown
The Center for Strategic Communications and Information Security informs ✅
‼️ Caution, fake: the Russian army destroyed the thermal power plant in Kyiv‼️
In fact, TPP-6 is operating normally, the State Emergency Service confirmed the information.
Earlier, 5 explosions took place near the Kyiv TPP.
this is the official message
the power is still there
rare walrus
Ah alright, that’s good to hear
cerulean canyon
Excellent
nocturne osprey
zinc talon
thanks for clarification
haughty yew
https://twitter.com/Ted_Kac/status/1497296458634215431
Oh shit
zinc talon
https://twitter.com/Ted_Kac/status/1497296458634215431
just been on to this. THis are Tropol-M ICBM's.
zealous rapids
whats an ICMB
rare walrus
Inter-Continental-Ballistic-Missile
zealous rapids
whats that used for
zinc talon
Inter-Continental-Ballistic-Missile
oh my bad
grizzled steeple
Sending missiles to other continents
zealous rapids
oh
haughty yew
whats that used for
Long range big explosion, much destructive power
grizzled steeple
Think a spaceship that comes back down with a lot of explosives