#the_ukraine_situation
icy ridge
For Canadians Helping Ukraine: The Canada-Ukraine Foundation has created a GoFundMe and donation portal to provide humanitarian assistance to those in need in Ukraine. The foundation is also encouraging people to use the hashtag #HelpUkraineNow to raise awareness on social media. As of Thursday, the organization has raised $1,228,340.
Charitable Foundation Voices of Children provides support programs for children affected by war in Ukraine. They accept donations at voices.org.ua.
On Facebook, the United Help Ukraine page is asking for donations to help provide food, medical supplies and humanitarian relief for the front lines.
Hungry for Life helps Ukrainians flee their country, you can donate at hungryforlife.org/donate.
The Canadian Red Cross has launched the Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis Appeal to respond to those affected by the ongoing conflict. Donations will enable the Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement to respond to humanitarian needs in Ukraine and surrounding countries, including those who are displaced.
THIS IS FROM GLOBAL NEWS https://globalnews.ca/news/8643966/how-to-help-ukraine/amp/
General List from the Inquirer
Project HOPE
What they do: Founded in 1958, Project HOPE responds to humanitarian emergencies and disasters. Currently, according to the group’s website, the group is aiding those in Ukraine by mobilizing its emergency teams and “sending medical supplies and standing by to provide health screening and care for refugees.”
How you can help: Donate on the group’s website. This group is U.S. registered, so your donation is tax deductible.
GlobalGiving
What they do: GlobalGiving uses its funding to support local non profits working in affected areas. Currently, “GlobalGiving’s local partners in Ukraine are bringing relief to displaced families and people in high-risk areas.” According to the group, your donation will support refugees with food, shelter, clean water, as well as providing health and psychological support.
How you can help: Donate to the group’s Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund online. This group is U.S. registered, so your donation is tax deductible.
UNICEF USA
What they do: Over 510,000 children have been affected by the conflict so far, and the UNICEF emergency response is working to address their needs by preparing health, hygiene, and emergency education supplies, as well as distributing safe water to conflict-affected areas, providing children with psychosocial care, and helping kids separated from their families.
How you can help: Donate on the UNICEF website. UNICEF USA is U.S. registered, so your donation is tax deductible.
Catholic Relief Services
What they do: Catholic Relief Services has partners across Ukraine and is currently providing shelter, food, hygiene supplies, fuel, transportation to safe areas, and counseling support.
How you can help: Donate via Paypal on the group’s website. Donations to this organization are tax deductible.
International Medical Corps
What they do: International Medical Corps helped Ukrainians during conflict in 1999-2000 by delivering medicine and training more than 500 local doctors and medical staff. In 2014, they partnered with the Ukraine Ministry of Health to support mobile health services and train medical professionals on how to prevent and control infections. As the crisis develops, the International Medical Corps has added mental health counseling to the services available for the community.
How you can help: Donate on the group’s website. Donations to this organization are tax deductible.
🌐 give.internationalmedicalcorps.org
United Help Ukraine
What they do: United Help Ukraine receives and distributes food donations and medical supplies to people in Ukraine. The group’s current priorities: Aiding Ukrainian soldiers and their families, helping displaced people from Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, and raising awareness of the current situation.
How you can help: Donate via PayPal, or by check payable to United Help Ukraine, PO Box 83426, Gaithersburg, MD, 20883. This is a registered non profit so all donations are tax deductible.
Revived Soldiers Ukraine
What they do: This non profit provides medical aid for people affected by military conflict. The group buys medication, medical supplies, helps support army hospitals, and works to improve the living standards for soldiers and their families.
How you can help: Donate directly through the group’s website, through PayPal or Patreon, or make it your preferred Amazon non profit, which donates 0.5% of the amount of your Amazon purchases to the group. This group is U.S. registered, so your donation is tax deductible.
opal cloak
👌
steady matrix
icy ridge
Sunflower of Peace
What they do: Sunflower for Peace offers medical assistance to Ukrainian orphans, people displaced by war, and people heavily affected by the COVID-19 pandemic in the country. In February 2022, the group started asking for donations to prepare first aid medical tactical backpacks for paramedics and doctors on the front lines. These kind of backpacks — usually handle by marines, special military forces, and military groups — are used to save lives in areas without access to hospitals or emergency care.
How you can help: Donate on Facebook. This group is U.S. registered, so your donation is tax deductible.
🌐 facebook.com/sunflowerofpeace
The KYIV Independent
What they do: The KYIV Independent is an independent media outlet reporting in English. The organization has been covering the Russia-Ukraine conflict, doing fact checking, and reporting on human rights. Since the group is not affiliated to any government and reports in English, it is becoming an important window into what’s happening in Ukraine right now.
How you can help: Since its creation in 2021, The KYIV Independent runs mainly on donations. Donate through GoFundMe or Patreon.
The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews
What they do: This group runs an emergency program with $1 million in funding that helps the approximately 300,000 Jewish people in Ukraine. The Fellowship has staff and volunteers on the ground in Ukraine, and also funds the country’s Jewish organizations to give Ukrainian Jews the chance to move to Israel. Funds are also used to provide the Ukrainian Jewish community with food, medicine, and heat. This group is U.S. registered, so your donation is tax deductible.
How you can help: Donate online.
Voices of Children
What they do: Voices of Children provides psychological and psychosocial support to children affected by war. Their main focus is on the frontline in the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. Donations help finance art therapy, mobile psychologists, and help families in need.
How you can help: Donate directly on their website.
steady matrix
icy ridge
Y'all we need to pin the donation sites before it gets lost
hollow hollow
cnn saying the explosion over kyiv was a ukrainian flanker https://twitter.com/paulmcleary/status/1497051595980230660
Twitter
low rover
Some lady on Twitter said if she was Putin's mother everything would stop 
royal nymph
cnn saying the explosion over kyiv was a ukrainian flanker https://twitter.com/p...
Was it the Ghost?
hollow hollow
if the ghost is real (personally i don't think he is) he flies a mig-29. that was a su-27 that got shot down
i really want ghost to be real, but there's just no way a single 1980s mig could take down 6 russian fighters, 2 of which were modern flankers, in under 24 hours
and there's no footage of him either
cerulean canyon
Y'all we need to pin the donation sites before it gets lost
Agreed.
icy ridge
cnn saying the explosion over kyiv was a ukrainian flanker https://twitter.com/p...
So the Air War has been lost in the Capital? NOO
cerulean canyon
List of places to donate to provide support
SOURCE OF LIST: https://www.inquirer.com/philly-tips/ukraine-charities-donate.html
Project HOPE
What they do: Founded in 1958, Project HOPE responds to humanitarian emergencies and disasters. Currently, according to the group’s website, the group is aiding those in Ukraine by mobilizing its emergency teams and “sending medical supplies and standing by to provide health screening and care for refugees.”
How you can help: Donate on the group’s website. This group is U.S. registered, so your donation is tax deductible.
globe_with_meridians projecthope.org
GlobalGiving
What they do: GlobalGiving uses its funding to support local non profits working in affected areas. Currently, “GlobalGiving’s local partners in Ukraine are bringing relief to displaced families and people in high-risk areas.” According to the group, your donation will support refugees with food, shelter, clean water, as well as providing health and psychological support.
How you can help: Donate to the group’s Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund online. This group is U.S. registered, so your donation is tax deductible.
globe_with_meridians globalgiving.org
UNICEF USA
What they do: Over 510,000 children have been affected by the conflict so far, and the UNICEF emergency response is working to address their needs by preparing health, hygiene, and emergency education supplies, as well as distributing safe water to conflict-affected areas, providing children with psychosocial care, and helping kids separated from their families.
How you can help: Donate on the UNICEF website. UNICEF USA is U.S. registered, so your donation is tax deductible.
globe_with_meridians unicefusa.org
https://globalnews.ca/news/8643966/how-to-help-ukraine/amp/
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=936
cerulean canyon
(I just took the links that pegasusu compiled and put them in one post best I could)
fierce arch
ok well
vocal wren
Remove the ping for me aswell
cerulean canyon
Woops!
fierce arch
can you make it so that the images arent there
cerulean canyon
Done
vocal wren
deleted embeds
cerulean canyon
Thank you, tk
fierce arch
probably be a good idea if i make one list for trusted sources
cerulean canyon
I mean by all means.
fierce arch
https://www.aljazeera.com/tag/ukraine-russia-crisis/ news station based in qatar, incredibly trustworthy
https://liveuamap.com/ interactive map for ukraine situation
i am an organization freak
cerulean canyon
We love to see it
fierce arch
https://www.aljazeera.com/tag/ukraine-russia-crisis/ news station based in qatar...
@vocal wren can you pin this im so sorry
vocal wren
Those have been pinned
fierce arch
yea
vocal wren
If we make one list, I would prefer if a mod where to keep control of it
cerulean canyon
Valid
cerulean canyon
Well that's not encouraging Mrs organization lmao
hollow hollow
So the Air War has been lost in the Capital? NOO
likely but unconfirmed, there’s also been reports that it was a russian flanker or maybe even a cruise missile
grizzled steeple
The site with the interactive map says its either an enemy fighter or missile wreckage
icy ridge
Which site?
grizzled steeple
liveuamap
hollow hollow
just saw this in another server, there may be hope yet
grizzled steeple
Makes more sense that Kyiv anti-air shot down a plane rather than their own plane getting shot down by russians
Then again idk the situation on the ground
fierce arch
just remember
twitter is not a reputable source
i dont know how they would deploy antiair systems when they havent even reached kyiv
cerulean canyon
They are close to kyiv I'd imagine based on the amount of references the liveuamap has had to them and explosions/fires
grizzled steeple
Twitter is a good place to find something to investigate elsewhere (on a different site)
cerulean canyon
grizzled steeple
Keep calm
coral idol
Man, I wish I wasn’t living through multiple historic events rn 😔
cerulean canyon
Same.
coral idol
Will make for great stories to tell my grandkids one day though
cerulean canyon
I keep thinking about how history books are going to look several years from now and it makes me sick
coral idol
“Yeah so the 20s were off to a bad start”
cerulean canyon
Everything from 2016 on is just going to be a shit show tbh
coral idol
Lowkey, I have no idea what to do if the air sirens go off here; here’s hoping we don’t get invaded 
buoyant sundial
Uhhhh if the air sirens go off, get inside. Preferably with layers, maybe in a basement.
coral idol
I’m not in any immediate danger, so I’m good for now
zinc belfry
when we said 2022 wasn't gonna be bad, they heard us
granite jewel
We're like
coral idol
Took out Betty white before she had to witness this too 😭
granite jewel
Almost 3 months into 2022
buoyant sundial
I am concerned in general. I don’t think I am in danger of being hurt.. But others are it seems…
cerulean canyon
Yee I am more worried about others atm
coral idol
I feel for everyone affected; both Ukrainians and Russians who never wished for war
buoyant sundial
Honestly I should be asleep right now. But… Well, shit is happening, and there is I believe at least one country involved who has nuclear weapons…
cerulean canyon
My mom was telling me not to worry, not to take on the responsibility of caring for people who I can't directly help
I told her that worrying makes me feel better, because at least it shows I care about what's going on
buoyant sundial
I can’t help worrying.
cerulean canyon
Yeah, same.
cerulean canyon
^
buoyant sundial
Yeah
cerulean canyon
That's where I'm at
coral idol
This is the closest we’ve been to a global war since like 2020 lol
buoyant sundial
Were we close to a global war in 2020?
cerulean canyon
This is the closest we’ve been to a global war since like 2020 lol
We almost made it two whole years
zinc belfry
can russia like not, we're in the middle of the pandemic
granite jewel
Im here sitting in my bedroom possibly not in any danger while others are in risk of their lives
coral idol
Were we close to a global war in 2020?
Remember when Trump drone struck the Iranian nuclear general out of fucking nowhere?
granite jewel
The least i can do is worry
cerulean canyon
can russia like not, we're in the middle of the pandemic
Pandemic is honestly the least of their concerns
buoyant sundial
can russia like not, we're in the middle of the pandemic
Can Russia just not in general though
buoyant sundial
Remember when Trump drone struck the Iranian nuclear general out of fucking nowh...
No I don’t…
Geez
cerulean canyon
Remember when Trump drone struck the Iranian nuclear general out of fucking nowh...
Oh shit yes
granite jewel
Why'd he do that?
buoyant sundial
Idfk
cerulean canyon
Why does trump do anything
coral idol
And it almost caused a nuclear war
cerulean canyon
To stir chaos
buoyant sundial
Wow there are a lot of people in this thread
coral idol
Iran threatened with nuking Israel if the US didn’t back down
granite jewel
A lot of people are worried
cerulean canyon
Wow there are a lot of people in this thread
Lots of people want to be informed
buoyant sundial
Yeah, understandable. But… Discord isn’t the best news source.
cerulean canyon
That's why we are pinning repituable sources
buoyant sundial
I mean, it’s better than some others I suppose.
granite jewel
We send actual news sites here
cerulean canyon
And sharing information
buoyant sundial
Ah, true.
coral idol
Never imagined the Philippines would ever join anyways, so that’s not really much of a surprise lol
buoyant sundial
Uh how many countries are now involved
coral idol
Uh how many countries are now involved
Currently, just Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia
granite jewel
Never imagined the Philippines would ever join anyways, so that’s not really muc...
But it's always reassuring to see
buoyant sundial
Wait Philippines? I know a guy Who lives there… Uh oh.
zinc belfry
belarus is involved?
granite jewel
No no
grizzled steeple
Only 2 right?
coral idol
belarus is involved?
They’re allied with Russia
granite jewel
Wait Philippines? I know a guy Who lives there… Uh oh.
It's said the Philippines will remain neutral for now
zinc belfry
oh great /s
granite jewel
So no need to worry
coral idol
They’re allowing Russian troops to quickly enter Ukraine from another vantage point, giving quick access to Kiev
buoyant sundial
Ah, ok.
cerulean canyon
Jesus
zinc belfry
do they just not want to be on their bad side
cerulean canyon
Do you have a source for that, Jonas? Just to look it over
cerulean canyon
do they just not want to be on their bad side
I mean
coral idol
For what? Belarus’ involvement?
cerulean canyon
Yee yee
zinc belfry
I'd like that too
grizzled steeple
Tomato newsauce
coral idol
Hold on, I’ll find something, I’ve heard it from multiple sources
cerulean canyon
Thank you!
buoyant sundial
This is a tense situation.
low rover
if you see a company called "plantatreeco" advertising their "ukraine relief support charity" don't buy into it
plantatree has a long history of scamming
buoyant sundial
if you see a company called "plantatreeco" advertising their "ukraine relief sup...
?!?
loud knot
I heard that the Ukrainian are holding off the Russian at several cities
cerulean canyon
if you see a company called "plantatreeco" advertising their "ukraine relief sup...
Thankfully they aren't on the list of charities we pinned I don't think
loud knot
At least according to Wikipedia
coral idol
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/feb/24/ukraine-russia-tanks-cctv-belarus-crimea-video
This was yesterday, but is still very much relevant
cerulean canyon
Thank you!
zinc belfry
if you want to donate to charities that actually support Ukraine, go to charity navigator. they have lots of trustworthy charities
granite jewel
As much as i want to
I can't really donate with empty pockets
Will try to inform others though
coral idol
The whole situation is really sad, and I wish it never came to this, but I also never saw how it could’ve been solved diplomatically, because the Russian government is far too stubborn
buoyant sundial
The whole situation is really sad, and I wish it never came to this, but I also ...
All wars in a nutshell to be honest…
cerulean canyon
if you want to donate to charities that actually support Ukraine, go to charity ...
Added it to the pinned charity message
coral idol
Using force instead of dialogue is always evil
zinc belfry
Added it to the pinned charity message
thank you :)
cerulean canyon
No problem
zinc belfry
oh, it got unpinned
zinc belfry
i think it was because of the edit
cerulean canyon
Oh god damnit
zinc belfry
question mark?
buoyant sundial
List of places to donate to provide support
SOURCE OF LIST: https://www.inquire...
This one?
zinc belfry
yes
buoyant sundial
It was still pinned on my end for some reason
cerulean canyon
Wh
cerulean canyon
Yeah no it's gone for me
zinc belfry
me aswell
cerulean canyon
Well it'll be pinned again hopefully
coral idol
What message?
cerulean canyon
The charity message
coral idol
Could you find it? I’ll pin it
cerulean canyon
List of places to donate to provide support
SOURCE OF LIST: https://www.inquire...
@coral idol
Thank you!
cerulean canyon
Can do
buoyant sundial
So am I understanding correctly that weapons have been used, and there may have been casualties?
cerulean canyon
Yes
zinc belfry
minimal, but there are casualties
coral idol
minimal, but there are casualties
Minimal is still too many, sadly
buoyant sundial
Agreed. My thoughts exactly.
zinc belfry
there's really nothing we can do about it except donate and link sources
buoyant sundial
It is rather unfortunate. And pisses me off, to be honest, that the military leaders don’t seem to care who is lost, so long as the leaders themselves get what they want…
granite jewel
Minimal is still too many, sadly
I wish nothing but condolences to the families that lost people in this war
buoyant sundial
Was there any real reason to start this conflict?
granite jewel
Land?
zinc belfry
i have no idea, maybe someone does
buoyant sundial
In my mind, that’s not a “real” reason…
raven fossil
But it is what Putin wants,,
buoyant sundial
Which just pisses me off more.
It’s very late. I should probably get some sleep. No use staying up longer, what happens will still happen…
zinc belfry
there's an article written by bbc news
no idea if it's credible, so take it with a grain of salt
civic harness
fun fact the russian rubble is worth less then robux now
zinc belfry
Thank you, Alastair!
no problem :)
buoyant sundial
The BBC is the national British news service, I think it’s trustworthy. This time I’m really going to bed…
zinc belfry
good night 
cerulean canyon
I'm also going to try and get some sleep
I hope everyone stays safe and remember to take breaks from all this news from time to time. It can be really draining.
I love y'all 
zinc belfry
love you too <3 try not to worry :)
raven fossil
I'm also going to try and get some sleep
I hope everyone stays safe and remembe...
O, bye o/
Try to have a good rest
zinc belfry
seeing ukrainian people speak out on twitter makes me so sad
raven fossil
It is rather depressing
devout flint
I live in the city with one of the most Ukrainian immigrants in the US, seeing all the demonstrations nearby from them and supporting Russians to stop the war is sad to see
Im glad they're standing up tho
vocal wren
I don't think Russia cards about war crimes at this point
nocturne osprey
leaden grove
You know what disgusts me? Russian TV still keeps spinning the narrative that there‘s only war in the Donbas
No mention of Kyiv at all
nocturne osprey
scarlet crown
No war in ukraine. #standwithukraine https://imgur.com/gallery/rWqG1qx
nocturne osprey
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1497109297054072833?t=FZ48TiyYAZS0KDz...
Twitter
faint dew
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1497041898409795585?t=AM3gCOPlKSiOYTrd...
Not a plane, according to my info, but a ballistic missile
split aurora
Not a plane, according to my info, but a ballistic missile
hmm, I'd be very surprised a ballistic missile going that sllw
even post impact
faint dew
It's wreck hit a civi building, no casualties
split aurora
got a link of the aftermath of it? just curious
naive sparrow
faint dew
Dont have 100% info, thus not goint to post
copper monolith
they're in Kyiv now https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1497118323372265476?s=20&t=h2WHUeJpcFXHkVn0xl-eAg
Twitter
split aurora
fair fair
solid adder
welp
split aurora
they're in Kyiv now https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1497118323372265476?s=20...
thats gonna be some messy urban warfare
copper monolith
thats gonna be some messy urban warfare
yeah, the tweet there tells some peopple to make molotov cocktails
patent crown
Christ
split aurora
the molotov cocktail was invented by a tiny nation resisting invasion by the ussr
so its a fitting choice
lmao
faint dew
In general, be aware of what you post.
During previous day there was a lot of mixed reports, and i saw a lot of time Ukranian side trying to flip one videos for another. Russians probably did it too, but in less quantities.
faint dew
thats gonna be some messy urban warfare
Messy urban warfare already began, in Suma it was very heated after sunset, and Ukranian army deploy their AA and missile artillery in civilian districts
split aurora
yeah
leaden grove
got a link of the aftermath of it? just curious
Yeah, hold on
faint dew
TW: Empty car rolled over Ukranian mobile AA, Kiev
split aurora
squish
leaden grove
faint dew
This might be it
faint dew
I have saw a lot of mixed info about this one, being
- Russian ballistic missile
- Russian plane
- Ukranian plane
leaden grove
Mhm, I read about that as well
faint dew
It can be any of thous, but no one have solid proof for ether
leaden grove
As far as I‘m aware, it‘s clear that there were Russian ballistic missiles, but there‘s confusion about who the plane that was shot down belongs to
Might have been friendly fire too
faint dew
Yea, i saw reports of alledged friendly fire with Ukranian AA
At least Russians and Chernobyl guards managed to achive peacefu resolution
split aurora
twitter continues to freak out about the increased radiation levels
despite them not being anywhere near significant
faint dew
I dont thing anything actually happened to it
Also saw a pretty good info twitter thread about it, will post later
split aurora
I dont thing anything actually happened to it
the levels have spiked significantly, but like, it's levels that a convoy of trjcks licking up dirt would cause
....why would russia need chernobyl to do that?
they have their own nuclear power plangs
and nuclear waste far newer and more potent then chernobyl
if they were gonna do that, it'd be from weapons manufactured in russia
mainly as the deadly shut from chernobyl is all deep underground, hard to access, and had 40years to decrease activity
clear creek
God speed ghost of kyiv
split aurora
God speed ghost of kyiv
honestly, whether he's real or not doesnt even matter at this point - as I'm aware that's still up for debate
the morale boost hes giving is real
loud knot
It appears that russia is now in the north outer suburbs of kyiv
loud knot
I thought of a joke, but it would be extremely distasteful
split aurora
Twitter
interesting read
tldr: capture the airport, sending 10k troops and tanks into kiev, shut off electricity, create mass columns of refugees blocking roads, smash across the entire front, find some pro-russian politician left in kyiv and sign a dictat treaty, split ukraine the way germany was
copper monolith
Ukraine now letting anyone fight, no age restrictions https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1497130688981655552?s=20&t=feQO5XkVvYuKwhks8ZLNZw
Twitter
loud knot
Eww, i Don't support child soldiers
copper monolith
agreed
loud knot
Shit, i thought of another distasteful joke
copper monolith
best to keep it to yourself
faint dew
I mean, they thought that just distributing like 10k AKs to populus would be a good idea
Last thing we all need is civis entering the fight
loud knot
by the way, if you want to do something about this situation, contact your local politician and demand sanctions
🇺🇦 📢 ☮️
faint dew
Yea, thanks, i am from Russia
loud knot
Oh
faint dew
Also, sanctions not gonna do much
loud knot
What about seizing oligarchs assets and properties?
faint dew
And i will leave it at that. If you want more harsh opinions from me - DMs are open
loud knot
Ok
faint dew
What about seizing oligarchs assets and properties?
Civil protests dont work, and work even worse in Russia
loud knot
Isn't that illegal under wto?
tame harness
Which is impossible
tame harness
Isn't that illegal under wto?
That too
faint dew
A complete trade embargo would do something.
Already not happening
SWIFS sanctions would be pain, but no one will do that, too damaging for both sides
tame harness
My only hope is that this stops/slows down
faint dew
Better to hope that it ends quick
tame harness
I see many people fear mongering that after Ukraine other states could be targeted
faint dew
Bog down will be hell for everyone, mostly civies
loud knot
They did invaded Georgia in 2008
tame harness
But most of bordering nations have an alliance with NATO now
loud knot
Besides finland and Caucasian
viral junco
Ireland could be at risk due to our weakness militarily
loud knot
That would be a werid invasion
viral junco
well, no
look at the start of the month, the russians wanted to use our seas for their war games
we dont have radar, we dont have any sort of navy or air force
and we fuel american planes
tame harness
The navy part is scary, but most forces move by land
viral junco
our army is also underfunded
tame harness
Or that's how war used to work. At this point all the rules can be thrown out
faint dew
And Russia dont need you, so dont worry
No, really
There are a few reasons why this shit is happening, and nond apply to Ireland
faint dew
And that. And a lot of other issues
opal cloak
Russia only wants the ussr back
tame harness
Plus Ireland is allies with most of the western world
loud knot
Fucking crazy idea, give ukraine a massive 'low fee' mercenary fleet that block both the danish and turkish strait
loud knot
Russia only wants the ussr back
Putin wants the empire back, he hates the soviet union
viral junco
we've never had good relations with russia
tame harness
I wish I could know more about the context of everything. There's just so much going on
split aurora
ohno my college RE classes are doing lessons after ukraine
viral junco
like we were blocked from joining the UN in 1949 because we didn't fight in the war
tame harness
like we were blocked from joining the UN in 1949 because we didn't fight in the ...
I thought Ireland sent people to help tho?
split aurora
already referring to "the ukraine" 😬
loud knot
like we were blocked from joining the UN in 1949 because we didn't fight in the ...
What about sweden, finland and Switzerland?
loud knot
my re teachers spout a lot of bullshit
Like what?
viral junco
switzerland didn't apply until 2002
granite jewel
Any updates?
loud knot
Switzerland wasn't in the un till 2002???
opal cloak
Any updates?
They are entering Kiev
solid adder
Kyiv
granite jewel
How close are they to kyiv?
opal cloak
Basically in
solid adder
yeah
granite jewel
Oh they're in kyiv now?
hushed magnet
Shit
solid adder
Oh they're in kyiv now?
inside if not very close
granite jewel
Basically within the perimeter?
tame harness
Didn't a missle hit or was it a crashed airplane
solid adder
not sure
loud knot
They are literally in the suburbs of northern kyiv
split aurora
Like what?
ahhh people are defending russia and blaming nato
faint dew
Any updates?
- Fights on outskirts of Kiev
- Airport Antonova is held by RU, probablity 90%+
- Reports of landmines at Odessa beaches, alleged to laid by Ukranians. People are asked to not go look at mines
- Explosions at Харьков (dont know hot to translatirate that), people are recommended to shelter
- UKR Azov batalion is reported at Mariupol. That's known nazi batalion, expect no-surrender fights at this region
- Info from Russians that Ukranian AA during attempt to intercept Ballistic missile over Kiev, they took down their own Su-27
- People on rail terminal in Kiev are not able to land Kiev-Livov train
faint dew
ahhh people are defending russia and blaming nato
My opinion for 90% of conflics in general - everyone have their part to be blamed for.
faint dew
I hate the fact that the most reliable source of info is Telegram chats of all the things
opal cloak
There was an agreement that countries near Russia couldn’t join NATO.
Ukraine and America broke that agreement.
loud knot
There was no treaty
granite jewel
But i dont understand blaming anyone
viral junco
there was, however, a treaty which stipulated that russia was to not interfere with ukranian affairs if they gave up their nukes
loud knot
Also that a bad excuse to invading ukraine
granite jewel
There's a war, the least of the problems is knowing who's to blame
viral junco
ukraine accepted and gave the nukes up, and russia annexed crimea, and now this
loud knot
They disarmed their nukes in 1994, years before putin came to power
viral junco
yep
opal cloak
Also that a bad excuse to invading ukraine
I don’t agree with the invasion whatsoever.
viral junco
like following crimea its understandable for anyone near russia to join
loud olive
@viral junco whats the current situation?
viral junco
<@!366591240935964694> whats the current situation?
they're in kiev
loud olive
Yikes
loud knot
But only in the north
copper monolith
loud olive
Thanks Val
loud knot
Also the hacker group 'anonymous' declared war on the Russian government
loud knot
Yes?
faint dew
Have they ever been confirmed to be the real people/person?
There are footages with sounds of gunfights on outer edge of Kiev
loud knot
They did a campaign against the church of sciencetology
loud olive
There are footages with sounds of gunfights on outer edge of Kiev
No no as in Anonymous, are they actually linked to the leaks etc that they said they had performed
faint dew
No no as in Anonymous, are they actually linked to the leaks etc that they said ...
Have no info, will not say anything
faint dew
I know only that yesterday some few gov web sites went down for a bit, but they dont matter, so whatever
loud knot
Rt (the state news) has reported massive ddos attacks on their site
Best things they could do would be hijacking government servers and releasing devastating documents and recordings
solid adder
robux is worth more than russias currency
hollow grove
makes sense
solid adder
lol
hollow grove
Russia will take years to recover economically
like even if Putin decided to lay down arms
Russia's economy is fucked for at least a decade
even if Putin stopped being in power
faint dew
You know
I had this long post written up here
But i am not going to post it, for it dosent matter
faint dew
Russia's economy is fucked for at least a decade
Thanks i guess?
Not like it can fall much lower than this days, we do have a decent trade partner in face of China in the end of a day
And no one have balls to take matters devastating enough to make a difference, since their own interest would be at risk
split aurora
sad
faint dew
No one really fight wars for what is right. There is someone's interested in whatever conflict. And economic war is still a war.
They will try to do damage (also, gotta save face to not look like they dont care), but damaging their own bottom line isn't going to happen
You know what? I am just going to get off chat and watch fights unfold. If anyone will need tactical updates - ping me. Otherwise i am going shut up
limber wagon
Ukraine now letting anyone fight, no age restrictions https://twitter.com/Defen...
Dunno if its been said already, but they means the upper limit, not the lower limit apparently
https://www.facebook.com/reznikovoleksii/posts/355213996614958
loud knot
Oh thank god
Also I heard a theory from a forum that the reason why putin is doing this insane war that not even the other oligarchs are in favour of is due to maybe having a fatal illness and he might try to build a legacy before his death
dusty jolt
major tinfoil hat territory
loud knot
Yeah
limber wagon
I'm personally not a fan of making all of different theories.
I've seen a lot of different things being said already. That he's loosing his sanity, that he want to build a legacy, that he wants to create enough of a buffer space between moscow and NATO and more. Some of these plausible, some not. But I dont think its very productive to jump to conclusions
At least not excessively
loud knot
Why
zinc talon
hello everyone!
loud knot
Hello
loud knot
Oh
limber wagon
I just think people are often a bit too eager to jump to conclusions, since it provides a nice explanation. especially in times of uncertainty. Saying something like "he wants to build a legacy" seems a reasonable, but so do a bunch of other theories.
loud knot
It's hard for to think of another theory besides "irrationally hating ukraine"
What theories do you think is plausible?
hollow grove
saying he is loosing sanity would suggest that he ever had any sanity to begin with
limber wagon
I personally think it makes strategic sense.
Historically Moscow has always used the size of its country as a buffer between any enemies. Since the fall of the soviet union Moscow has been kinda close to its border. But that didnt matter much when all of those bordering countries were mostly puppet states or not super relevant. But Ukraine has been slipping more and more towards the west and was thinking of joining NATO. So to me it could make sense if Putin wants to secure moscow by expanding its borders
But again, just a theory, I dont want to commit
hushed magnet
I just think people are often a bit too eager to jump to conclusions, since it p...
Agreed 100%
But to a degree if we dont speculate at all then we have no idea what is going to happen and what to do next
limber wagon
It also helps if you're out of touch with the rest of the country after decades of being in charge and slowly building up power and control
hushed magnet
People just jump to weird conclusions if they dont know any better
not that i think i know much better tbh
limber wagon
It also helps if you're out of touch with the rest of the country after decades ...
I remember a news show asking bill gates how much he thinks certain common grocery store products cost and the answers were hilariously wrong. It would not be that surprising if the same thing can happen to someone who's gotten used to ruling a country for decades
limber wagon
People just jump to weird conclusions if they dont know any better
yeah, also its rarely just 1 factor
copper monolith
Some sad stuff, and Lwvrove whataboitism
loud knot
How dare they steal prc diplomacy
zinc talon
Some sad stuff, and Lwvrove whataboitism
this is the main point when arguing with someone defending russian invasion: "but what about the US?"
raven fossil
If only it was
hushed magnet
In a way thats the role of conspiracy theories
molten tartan
Mornin'
molten tartan
I'm aware
clear creek
limber wagon
Nice
raven fossil
Pff
clear creek
The flemish palraiment has voted almost unamuesly to suport ukrain with onley 3 members of the comunist party abstaining
limber wagon
I wouldn't use reddit as source btw. Since it just rehashes news articles and can be kinda unreliable
leaden grove
How will they support them?
clear creek
Propely medical help
leaden grove
Ohh
clear creek
The federal government is holding its vote on saturday if im right
They can deside if we bring up the big boys ore not
Also let me injoy the miricel of peapol being desend for once and voting for not caring for there ideolegy for once
Those who voted yes range from far right locelists to christian democrats to liberals to socialists
copper monolith
https://www.reddit.com/r/Belgium2/comments/t0m6g6/het_vlaams_parlement_keurt_res...
@hollow grove some pogs
@paper cedar too I guess
hollow grove
fecking PVDA
raven fossil
Belgian
hollow grove
literal communists
limber wagon
Those are the only other Belgian people
paper cedar
Oh hey
clear creek
Propely why they abstained
viral junco
The flemish palraiment has voted almost unamuesly to suport ukrain with onley 3 ...
militarily or just with aid
clear creek
Aid for now
Its onley the locel flemish parlaiment
The Belgian one is voting tomorow i think
hollow grove
problem is right
paper cedar
https://www.reddit.com/r/Belgium2/comments/t0m6g6/het_vlaams_parlement_keurt_res...
Oh wow that's nice
hollow grove
Belgium barely has a standing military
clear creek
The united benelux forces still pack a punsh do
hollow grove
and with it they just let a known psychopath who has a criminal record who is part of the army go ahead and claim rocketlaunchers from the armoury
then said known psychopath goes play hide and go seek in a forest
clear creek
He was found dead btw
hollow grove
Specifically Belgiums military is mainly good at dismantling bomb and what not
paper cedar
And then he dies and military finds him couple weeks later
hollow grove
they are pretty good at hacking and shit too
but specifically troops? we are very bad with
clear creek
And then he dies and military finds him couple weeks later
Nope the locel mayor on his morning biking trip
He found him
hollow grove
anyways what I was trying to point out is that Belgium even if we decide to send military aid, we are not going to do much. at least when it comes to troops
sending other kinds of aid at least at the moment seems to me to be a smarter decision
paper cedar
Also it's flamish part of Belgium deciding this so we will see for entire Belgium soon
clear creek
Think there voting tomrow
But if its anyting like the flemish vote we will be looking at some good midical help from Belgium
copper monolith
zinc talon
not only embarrrassed but also frustrated by western indifference (esp. Germany)
cerulean canyon
What are the latest developments?
zinc talon
I'm going to join a local protest tomorrow..
raven fossil
Oof, stay safe
split aurora
Stay safe friendo ❤️
zinc talon
Oof, stay safe
i'm in no risk country, so dw
cerulean canyon
Bring someone with you
split aurora
And thank you, its an incredibly brave and good thing to do
clear creek
"Russian warship go fuck yourself" -the snake island 13
Get them a statue with those words now
raven fossil
i'm in no risk country, so dw
..that doesn’t mean that something can’t go wrong
copper monolith
@cerulean canyon
copper monolith
Some sad stuff, and Lwvrove whataboitism
@cerulean canyon
split aurora
Twitter
clear creek
I'm going to join a local protest tomorrow..
Rename yourself to dr do
raven fossil
"Russian warship go fuck yourself" -the snake island 13
Get them a statue with ...
They were incredible, unfortunately none of those people lived
split aurora
@copper monolith btw not sure if you've seen this, but the order to remove age limits was misquoted
its only removing the upper bound
not the lower
raven fossil
Oh, thank god
copper monolith
I know
cerulean canyon
Thank you, val!
split aurora
cerulean canyon
Jesus
raven fossil
Christ
cerulean canyon
copper monolith
cerulean canyon
Not sure if anyone's posted this yet
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/business/list-global-sanctions-russia-ukraine-war-intl-hnk/index.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab
viral junco
copper monolith
Not sure if anyone's posted this yet
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/business/lis...
Not long enough
Destroy that economy
zinc talon
viral junco
swift and gas needs to be put on the list
fuck the fact they make most of that up
if those remain they will be untouched
they rebound from 2014
copper monolith
Unfortunately gas and swift sanctions arent severe because most of Europe relies on Russia
And with swift, russia could just turn to China, bringing them even closer, which china would highly prefer
Speaking of which, these motherfuckers
Man
zinc talon
i don't think russia can be considered as a reliable longterm business partner. This war should be reason enough to shift trade and energy away from russia
faint dew
Towards who exactly?
zinc talon
Increase renewable energy sources for starters, LNG Terminals in Germany
reducing dependence on russian gas and oil would be a main issue
copper monolith
Reducing dependence on gas and oil in general should be the main priority, carbon neutrality by 2030 pls
cerulean canyon
Agreed
silk iron
It'll take a while to switch to renewable energy sources
raven fossil
reducing dependence on russian gas and oil would be a main issue
Right, but it’s not a 1-2-done deal, it takes time to transfer
copper monolith
Fucking muppets closing down nuclear power plants cuz ignorance as well
silk iron
in the short term, Europe but specifically Germany will still seek Russian oil and gas.
zinc talon
Right, but it’s not a 1-2-done deal, it takes time to transfer
i never said it needs to be done on the spot
cerulean canyon
Fucking muppets closing down nuclear power plants cuz ignorance as well
Nuclear power is actually highly efficient and clean so it's frustrating seeing that it's not taken as such
raven fossil
It’s a taboo
zinc talon
in the short term, Europe but specifically Germany will still seek Russian oil a...
sure, we learned this from china and the repression of uyghurs
zinc talon
Nuclear power is actually highly efficient and clean so it's frustrating seeing ...
"clean" --> instead of having to deal with the waste now, we leave this for future generations
cerulean canyon
I talked about it in my chemistry and society class last spring. I was super against it myself before I did research into the matter.
zinc talon
i think it was a mistake to shut down nuclear plants before having an alternative, on that point i agree
limber wagon
I talked about it in my chemistry and society class last spring. I was super aga...
Yeah, Im also not the biggest fan of current nuclear. Mainly because when you look at it over the span of decades or even centuries there are bound to be accidents. No matter how safe you try to make stuff
copper monolith
L
limber wagon
And you also cant account for how the future will change. Maybe your government changes, maybe there is a lot of corruption and they ignore maintenance, etc
copper monolith
Thorium whem
limber wagon
Yeah, there are some really cool nuclear concepts out there. My favourite is a method that uses a material that is just a fraction below critical, and then uses a neutron beam to make it go critical
That way there is no way to have a sustained out of control reaction, since it requires an active neutron beam
viral junco
half of ireland's energy is renewable so we are halfway there
cerulean canyon
Woot
We've made a big switch to solar power over here in Arizona
We plan to be completely solar by 2030 I believe
That's getting off topic though
copper monolith
Recap
cerulean canyon
I too am full of admiration for their bravery
raven fossil
We've made a big switch to solar power over here in Arizona
With the amount of sun, probably a good call
cerulean canyon
With the amount of sun, probably a good call
Absolutely! We've got all this sun, may as well use it.
Most of our parking structures are made of solar panels now
limber wagon
We're also working on it, but its gonna take some time
raven fossil
Wind energy
cerulean canyon
Excellent! Wind energy is also highly efficient
raven fossil
Mhm, at sea is even better
limber wagon
Also a lot of homes in the Netherlands already have solar panels
raven fossil
Yup, see them a lot in my area
limber wagon
Dunno how much they contribute to the total, but there are definitely a lot, and that number is still growing
limber wagon
Yup, see them a lot in my area
There are a few solar array fields near me. I've heard multiple people complain about how they're ugly looking. But before that they were just some random fields
raven fossil
Hm
limber wagon
And its not even that ugly, just a bunch of dark blue
raven fossil
I mean, they’re not the prettiest. But if the future is concerned, that shouldn’t be a priority
limber wagon
I honestly just think those people either hate change, or dislike renewables because they're stupid or tools
cerulean canyon
Or both
limber wagon
Like living near a windmill I can understand. But its a fricking solar array
zinc belfry
really, really depressing
https://twitter.com/wylansgf/status/1496827794017460227?t=VMijqjaS-TODcuxYFKE8vw&s=19
Twitter
hollow grove
Reducing dependence on gas and oil in general should be the main priority, carbo...
what about negative carbon output though? that would be the real poggers
limber wagon
Or both
ugh, my father listens to this stupid podcast about whats basically a right wing conspiracy idiot. He bought a shirt that says "climate optimist" from their store
copper monolith
Yes
zinc belfry
??? what
copper monolith
Btw ukraine war
limber wagon
Also he suggested driving over some climate protestors that were on the news.
limber wagon
Btw ukraine war
oh yeah, my bad
copper monolith
Man
rare walrus
alright, so i was lookin at the us news, and i saw an article about a large bipartisan group of congress rallying for a bill for more military action against russia in ukraine. it says that this could mean more military spending on ukraine, or a possible longer-term insurgency helping ukraine push back russia, which i think might mean the U.S. possibly joining the war? im not too good at interpreting a lot of this kinda stuff, yall can read the article here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/congress-wants-to-go-further-for-ukraine-it-may-be-too-late/ar-AAUhBdJ
fierce arch
alright, so i was lookin at the us news, and i saw an article about a large bipa...
probably just like
sending more supplies
arms support
biden has made it VERY clear he will not join the war
rare walrus
hmm, i hope that if we could get enough of congress in agreement then we could possibly join the war and help out
fierce arch
the issue is
rare walrus
from the article it seems like its already a large bipartisan amount, which like never happens
rare walrus
that is true
stone vigil
America also has nukes, and so does many NATO countries
cerulean canyon
^
This is why I doubt Russia will come after any NATO countries
There will be nothing left
limber wagon
Controversial opinion, but a not using nukes is better than using nukes
cerulean canyon
Controversial opinion, but a not using nukes is better than using nukes
Don't think this is controversial but common sense
limber wagon
sarcasm
cerulean canyon
(and sarcasm)
limber wagon
This is why I doubt Russia will come after any NATO countries
mhm, and why I highly doubt anyone is going to directly help out Ukraine with troops
zinc belfry
can they not start world war 3? i was kind of looking forward to meeting my friends again haha
zinc talon
Ukraine ist asking allies to close the sky over Ukraine to prevent bombing and missile attacks. Would be possible but very unlikely
limber wagon
That would be suicide of the MAD kind
lilac sparrow
Yea, just put a no fly zone over Ukraine
rare walrus
Yeah, russia wouldnt stand a chance over nato
mild heart
Ukraine ist asking allies to close the sky over Ukraine to prevent bombing and m...
Yeah the UK has said they won’t due to the possibility NATO aircraft will come into contact with Russian aircraft
limber wagon
even without nukes
Yeah, but they have nukes. Thats the issue
zealous rapids
Has anything happened I’ve awakened from a long winters nap
cerulean canyon
Welcome awake, chonky
limber wagon
Has anything happened I’ve awakened from a long winters nap
Nothing of significant note except some more battles
And sactions
well, the sanctions are a mixed bag
zealous rapids
Has kieyev been taken
rare walrus
Not yet, but they’ve surrounded the city it seems
copper monolith
fierce arch
not a good day for democracy
scarlet crown
aw hell naw they're in the west now too
fierce arch
ruble price is crashing
clear creek
And it will keep crashing its down 50%
limber wagon
Hmmm thanks CNN
cerulean canyon
Wh
cerulean canyon
You get the black screen of news it seems
limber wagon
Because GDPR
or rather, they're not willing to comply with that
molten tartan
I know, and it could be incorrect
but I have a feeling this is real
and the BBC have reported it
faint dew
Fotages have shown Russian troops in Hostomel since ~5h ago, so it dose seem to check out
cerulean canyon
Hm
limber wagon
It wouldn't surprise me if that was their plan all along
cerulean canyon
I feel like neutrality isn't an option at this point especially since Russia completely disregarded their last agreement
limber wagon
Yeah
cerulean canyon
But
limber wagon
Neutralise your neighbour, and then just casually walk in 5 years later
cerulean canyon
Yeah
split aurora
imagine the scenes if russia retakes it again
ukraine demilitarised means the complete end of ukraine
it ceases to exist as more then a russian client state
faint dew
sigh
Ukraine ignored Misnks treaties for past 8 years, and now they want to talk
No comments
Seeing people from Lugansk and Donetck to share tips with Kiev on how to live during shellings and active combat have certain flair of very dark, evil of irony to it
molten tartan
oh they retook it?
Yep
That airfield is key
right outside Kyiv
They can much more easily ship in infantry and weapons to Kyiv now
molten tartan
I think the Ukrainians have got to retake the airfield. Considering they said they used "200 Helicopters" it wouldn't exactly be easy
faint dew
Fotages of destroyed Ukr trucks with guns for civilian distribution are being posted around. Posters urge people to NOT take Ukr on armament offer, since they can get caught in the cross fire.
molten tartan
but they have to
split aurora
yesterday russia took it and faced significant casualties when ukraine retook it
molten tartan
They have a lot more firepower now though
If this is true
They have to get it back but it doesn't look like it'll be uh
you know
realistic
split aurora
wow
faint dew
200? Probably not, but AFAIK troopers at the field are now joined with main forces
faint dew
Problem of operations like that is that they where fighting in the back line of Ukr side. So enciclements and lack of supplies. Now this is not the case
molten tartan
I don't think they're going to be able to get it back
hollow grove
not by themselves at least
molten tartan
That airbase is key
hollow grove
you've mentioned that yes
molten tartan
They have to retake it or Russia's got an artery to Kyiv
faint dew
Also, Ukr troops keep surrendering, not en mass, but in somewhat steady trickle
molten tartan
Russia reportedly have taken more casualties though
lilac sparrow
Well those helicopters probably include logistics and recon as well, I doubt they’d bring 3-4 divisions worth of helicopters
faint dew
Russia reportedly have taken more casualties though
Well
- No offcial numbers
1.1) No real profes for ether sides causalties tbh - Offencive side always takes heavier casualities
- City fights are brutal for all sides involved, including civilians
I just hope this will be over as soon as possible
split aurora
Id rather see this extend and get bloodier, if it increases the chance of a Ukrainian victory
The ideal is the least loss of life long term, Russia is going to destroy ukraine in occupatipn
ethnic cleansing similar to the rebel controlled regions
faint dew
Id rather see this extend and get bloodier, if it increases the chance of a Ukra...
Please, dont say that
People are dying for someone's ambitions, and loss of life is unrecoverable.
molten tartan
I can only see this war ending one way on it's current path
and as much as I'd like the Ukrainians to win, I'd prefer less bloodshed on both sides
hushed magnet
Tbf i dont think it would end any other way
hollow grove
what bothers me most, in all wars ever, is that innocent people are the ones who have to deal with toddler acting politicians petty discussions and way too many innocents have to pay for it with their lives
molten tartan
Many on both sides are being forced to kill or be killed by order
hushed magnet
what bothers me most, in all wars ever, is that innocent people are the ones who...
I mean yeah thats just how war works sadly
faint dew
Reports of "armed men" shooting civi car, claming that they saw "diversants" inside
Who would have guess, what would happen if you start giving guns to random scared people
molten tartan
It's possible that they could stall for long enough to come to an agreement
but in the current state, Ukraine is not winniing
faint dew
Also, saw reports of marauders in Харьков
molten tartan
They're giving one hell of a fight though
hollow grove
problem is that I don't see putin settling for anything less than demilitarisation of Ukraïne and them swearing they will never join NATO
hushed magnet
Yeah definitely not
hollow grove
and Ukraine president will, understandable, not agree to those terms
faint dew
Oh, great
Reports of people from DPR being force conscripted
split aurora
I mean I highly doubt that ukraine giving people guns is the reason russia is doing war crines
Russia is doing water crimes for the same reason Russia has always done war crimes, they work and nobody can stop them
its not just russia
the usa, uk ect are just as guilty
hollow grove
what does putin care about geneva conventions
split aurora
but I hate victim blaming war crimes
faint dew
Dose anyone really care about geneva conventions in real war zones?
hushed magnet
I mean if you try invade a country they're probably not gonna just give it up for free
fierce arch
Dose anyone really care about geneva conventions in real war zones?
partially yeah
hollow grove
I mean most countries do not care of course but that's also because literally nobody who has anything to say has ever experienced anything remotely related to war crimes
faint dew
In every conflict "war crimes" where thrown around pretty much every time, and nothing changed really
fierce arch
Russia reportedly have taken more casualties though
russia can take a hit
cerulean canyon
Id rather see this extend and get bloodier, if it increases the chance of a Ukra...
Jesus
cerulean canyon
ethnic cleansing similar to the rebel controlled regions
Jesus again
This is horrible
haughty yew
split aurora
war is hell
fierce arch
The ideal is the least loss of life *long term*, Russia is going to destroy ukra...
i dont think this is the goal of putin
he wants to control ukraine simply with the threat of invasion
split aurora
i dont think this is the goal of putin
then why is it happening in donetsk
cerulean canyon
War is hell and that's why we should want it to stop ASAP with as few casualties
fierce arch
this is is a trial run
faint dew
Let's not hope for more bloodshed, it's not going to help anyone. Literally usless loss of life.
I have started with this, and i will repeate:
Orders can come what any sort of dictator, but people on the line are just humans, like you, me, and everyone else. No one deserves to die
cerulean canyon
Amen
split aurora
I don't hope for more bloodshed, I hope for more resistance
hollow grove
I would rather see this end with innocent blood shed now and the two leaders get together and talk it out like adults
dull crane
Ghost of Kyiv is badass
split aurora
and more chancd of winning
split aurora
I would rather see this end with innocent blood shed now and the two leaders get...
^
faint dew
then why is it happening in donetsk
It was happening in Donetck since 2014
fierce arch
I would rather see this end with innocent blood shed now and the two leaders get...
with putin
this is impossible
cerulean canyon
I would rather see this end with innocent blood shed now and the two leaders get...
I don't think Putin will be willing to sit and talk
hollow grove
Trump is an idiot btw, he was best friends with putin and would probably have sent american soldiers to help in Ukraine
split aurora
In 1940 the uk could have left ww2 and saved millions of lives. but in be process, would have allowed nazi Germany free rain over genocide in europe
viral junco
the only way to get putin to talk is to put him in the hague
fierce arch
putin likely wont occupy ukraine, he just wants to remind ukraine that russia exists
faint dew
Too late. Minsk argreements where visited multiple times, and each time they where dully ignored
fierce arch
it is not the 1940s anymore
cerulean canyon
I see what you are trying to say
split aurora
holding out longer against russia, it worth it, if it increases the chance of victory
fierce arch
war is not the same
zealous rapids
Trump is an idiot btw, he was best friends with putin and would probably have se...
Honestly. I think opposite. But I’ve been told not to talk about trump in this server or channel as it isn’t allowed
cerulean canyon
war is not the same
Correct
hollow grove
anyways let's keep it at ukraine yes
cerulean canyon
Trump is an idiot btw, he was best friends with putin and would probably have se...
Totally agree
But yee
fierce arch
can we not make this political
zealous rapids
Ye
hollow grove
racc I am sorry but this entire thing is politics
fierce arch
absolutely not
cerulean canyon
This has everything to do with politics
hollow grove
not american politics though
split aurora
an invasion is politics
hollow grove
this is literally the most political thing ever
cerulean canyon
This whole thing is political
hollow grove
if this isn't politics nothing is
fierce arch
international politics yes? american politics absolutely not
split aurora
^
faint dew
America is not center of the world
cerulean canyon
Jesus
raven fossil
My god
cerulean canyon
fierce arch
holy shit add a CW
hollow grove
Let us not share images like that please
it's one thing to talk about things that happen
cerulean canyon
But another to show them
silk iron
no graphic images please
hollow grove
We don't need graphic images
silk iron
certainly not without spoliers
raven fossil
A picture says more than a thousand words, which in this case might not be a very good thing
faint dew
I think people need to see more stuff like this
Kinda punchs out "war should go on" rethoric out of them a bit
In general world became so sheltered from harsh part of reality, that people can actually argue for war and destruction and killings and death
hollow grove
nobody needs to see literal death, war is useless
silk iron
most soldiers and fighters and warmongers are inert to such suffering
zealous rapids
Ye
fierce arch
it kinda fucking sucks because nobody will win in this war
hollow grove
especially not in a server about a streamer
molten tartan
I keep forgetting this is RTs server. I only talk here because it's one of the only places where people are actually talking about the situation and it isn't outright banned
fierce arch
and yet putin insists because he's a fucking egomaniac
faint dew
To understand why war is usless sometimes people need to see what it actually birngs - death
silk iron
it's understandable censoring this kind of topic in most forums
limber wagon
To understand *why* war is usless sometimes people need to see what it actually ...
Thats a terrible reason
faint dew
Not in person, of cource. We, as Humanity, have created enough evidence over our history
hollow grove
we don't ban the topic as it's an important thing but showing graphic images with actual death in them is a step too far
fierce arch
especially without a CW or spoiler
faint dew
I do not oppose mod decidion, btw. Talking about it in more general terms. But i guess we should drop it
scarlet crown
especially without a CW or spoiler
i didn't think of that in the moment, my bad. guess we're just too used to this atm
faint dew
And this is a good thing, and a bad thing in the same time
Good - cause people dont have to experience it
Bad - cause thous who forget their past have no future, and somehow we forget how cruel and bloody war can be
split aurora
yeah
silk iron
i don't think anyone should be 'used to' such violence and suffering tbh - in a perfect world no one would have to be
hollow grove
@scarlet crownI would like to mention that you can take that as a warning for showing graphic images. talking is all well but this isn't the place to shown such content
cerulean canyon
To understand *why* war is usless sometimes people need to see what it actually ...
People already know it brings death.
scarlet crown
<@!915357116569640991>I would like to mention that you can take that as a warnin...
yeah i realised, really my bad
hollow grove
just keep it in mind for the future and all will be okay
hollow hollow
People already know it brings death.
it’s one thing to talk about death, it’s another to see it
faint dew
People already know it brings death.
Knowing and Understanding is 2 different things
I can not, in my naivness, imagine anyone who understands that point to advocate for war in any capacity
Uless they are warmonder, insane or psychopath
hollow hollow
i’m not saying it should be posted here, but it’s important for the world to see the atrocities putin has directly caused
cerulean canyon
*Knowing* and *Understanding* is 2 different things
I can not, in my naivness, i...
Unfortunately some people do not care about the side effects it brings.
split aurora
😬
cerulean canyon
i’m not saying it should be posted here, but it’s important for the world to see...
I can agree with this.
split aurora
those images are being submitted as evidence of war crimes
faint dew
Well, then i will just give up on this topic. I shall be content with the fact that i know where my head is.
split aurora
to the human rights court
cerulean canyon
The Vietnam war gained a lot of awareness because footage from the war went live on national tv
hollow grove
they actively gave informational resources to ukrainians on how to make molotovs
silk iron
to the Hague
faint dew
😬
The fact that Ukraine is ready to throw their citizens in to the effective meat grinder is extremely dishartening
silk iron
well...
solid adder
what
silk iron
it's a bit of both really
Ukraine is conscripting men of fighting age
but a lot of Ukrainians are willing to die defending their homeland
cerulean canyon
Wait a minute I see people fighting for their country and not going down without a fight
scarlet crown
The fact that Ukraine is ready to throw their citizens in to the effective meat ...
it's not someone throwing someone, it's a country acting as whole
split aurora
Ukraine is sending men into the meat grinder to save them from the Russian meat grinder
cerulean canyon
I don't see people being thrown to the meat grinder
split aurora
Wait a minute I see people fighting for their country and not going down without...
^
cerulean canyon
it's not someone throwing someone, it's a country acting as whole
This
scarlet crown
the one country throwing own people in meat grinder is Russia
cerulean canyon
^
scarlet crown
without proper gear, weaponry, skills
split aurora
Ukrainians are refusing to submit to russias atrocities without a fight
scarlet crown
leaving young men to die here
silk iron
probably not destroy but subjugate
split aurora
Ukranians refuse to accept it
zealous rapids
Would it be best to stop if Ukraine surrenders?
silk iron
stop what exactly?
faint dew
probably not destroy but subjugate
More like vassalise probably. Holding that much territory is pointless
cerulean canyon
Would it be best to stop if Ukraine surrenders?
Do not see this happening
split aurora
gonna be a massacre 😔
yep,an incredible amount of wasted life on all sides
scarlet crown
At this point Russia has fully rewritten the plans of their "operation". They're not here to free people, not here to claim their rights, they're here for blood.
split aurora
war is hell
faint dew
Would it be best to stop if Ukraine surrenders?
Well, thous are conditions that Moscow put out. Put down arms and this can be over.
silk iron
this isn't the feudal age vassalage isn't relevant
faint dew
this isn't the feudal age vassalage isn't relevant
Not litteral, of course.
split aurora
scarlet crown
They claimed they would only aim for military structures and leave citizens be, but that's been proven false by time.
solid adder
dammnn
silk iron
Well if Russia wants to take Kyiv and young Ukrainian men are being conscripted - you can see how it'll be in Russia's military interests to move towards a total war mentality
split aurora
The mayor has taken up arms, he intends to fight till the end personally
cerulean canyon
Honestly good for him.
cerulean canyon
Same.
molten tartan
If something like that happened over here I don't think I'd be fighting
cerulean canyon
I have accepted that I would be fighting
split aurora
would I be? I don't know
silk iron
you wouldn't have a choice if you were a man
molten tartan
you wouldn't have a choice if you were a man
Maybe
split aurora
id want to, but could I mentally pull the trigger?
silk iron
very very few people are actually capable of killing people in cold blood
cerulean canyon
There are many ways to fight besides pulling the trigger as it were
silk iron
particularly without military training
cerulean canyon
For some it can be providing shelter for the wounded
silk iron
it's about 2%
molten tartan
I'm just thinking is it really worth putting your life on the line, everything you have, just for this? I appreciate of course the people of Ukraine want to protect their home but
split aurora
yeah
cerulean canyon
Aid and resources
split aurora
I'm just thinking is it really worth putting your life on the line, everything y...
Problem is, what will the Russians do after the invasion is over
faint dew
I would not be fighting. Any life is better than death
cerulean canyon
If they don't fight there won't be a country left
scarlet crown
hollow hollow
isn't life a bit more important than that?
i think a lot of ukrainians would rather die than let sputnik take their country from them
split aurora
Problem is, what will the Russians do after the invasion is over
given the ethnic cleansing in chechnya and donbass
silk iron
@molten tartan i mean what will your life be like if you're subjugated by Russia eh?
split aurora
I fear immensely how russia will treat ukraine once it folds
scarlet crown
isn't life a bit more important than that?
Tell me: is it worth to live a life on land that's been taken from you?
cerulean canyon
I fear immensely how russia will treat ukraine once it folds
If it folds
split aurora
If it folds
mhmm
silk iron
Ukraine will probably fold
split aurora
A siege of a European capital in 2022....
zealous rapids
Tell me: is it worth to live a life on land that's been taken from you?
Most countries do that anyways.
cerulean canyon
That doesn't make it right
solid adder
I don't see ukraine standing much of a chance
molten tartan
<@!186559311223193600> i mean what will your life be like if you're subjugated b...
Not great, but at least I'd be alive
I don't mind if people want to fight for their country, that's not my point
faint dew
While you still live, you have options, can change your fate. Death is the end, there is nothing past that
molten tartan
While you still live, you have options, can change your fate. Death is **the** e...
Exactly
split aurora
Reading in donetsk, there are people there in camps facing conditions much worse then death
faint dew
Reading in donetsk, there are people there in camps facing conditions much worse...
Source?
molten tartan
Well I mean unless you're religious but we won't go into that
cerulean canyon
While you still live, you have options, can change your fate. Death is **the** e...
This is so optimistic but Jesus Christ you can't change your fate so easily in some circumstances
Some fates are worse then death
faint dew
This is so optimistic but Jesus Christ you can't change your fate so easily in s...
Yes, often you dont have much choice. I can imagine this in lie Syria and other places, where fanatics run the show and wrong word can mean death. This is not the case here
scarlet crown
To us, living in a country that hangs on Russia's strings is a fate worse than death
But that doesn't mean that we all die instantly
We're still alive and we're fighting for what's right
zealous rapids
To us, living in a country that hangs on Russia's strings is a fate worse than d...
R u from Ukraine.
scarlet crown
We are forming our fate
cerulean canyon
We're still alive and we're fighting for what's right
Bless
raven fossil
We're still alive and we're fighting for what's right
Keep strong, mate