anonymous commiting cyber attacks against russia
#the_ukraine_situation
split aurora
split aurora
Only if it was a huge scale
warm marsh
"That's up to the NATO alliance."
split aurora
anonymous commiting cyber attacks against russia
shut down a load of ISPs and RTNews
warm marsh
shut down a load of ISPs and RTNews
Good.
icy ridge
WOO THEY ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THE PROTESTS!
nocturne osprey
who are
icy ridge
The Press Secretary basically the White House
nocturne osprey
ah
haughty yew
That’s good
warm marsh
US is prepared to accept Ukrainian refugees, but will place focus on European nations to accept refugees
icy ridge
Also I would recommend to stay in EU than US for ahem....reasons
warm marsh
Don't see any increased threat of nuclear weapon usage
split aurora
several european nations haver opened the floodgates
romania, belarus, moldova, poland, portugal, ireland, lithuania
opal cloak
US is prepared to accept Ukrainian refugees, but will place focus on European na...
technically England the United Kingdom isn't a part of Europe I wonder If thay will get any Refugees
warm marsh
several european nations haver opened the floodgates
Do you mean for refugees?
split aurora
yeah
i highly doubt the uk will let any significant amount in
given how we currently treat refugees
icy ridge
Yeah.....
warm marsh
We Americans aren't much better
Russians are holding Chernobyl plant staff hostage.... Holy shit
icy ridge
GOD SPEED UKRAINE PLEASE
solid adder
rip
icy ridge
opal cloak
Russians are holding Chernobyl plant staff hostage.... Holy shit
wasn't Chernobyl Destroyed and then Abandoned after the Chernobyl Accident
warm marsh
wasn't Chernobyl Destroyed and then Abandoned after the Chernobyl Accident
They maintain a team of staff to clean up the place and maintain what remains
But it's a bit more complicated than that
icy ridge
solid adder
Less than I was expecting
silk iron
it's still early days yet
solid adder
Yes
silk iron
also plenty of underreporting
icy ridge
warm marsh
Here's hoping that the sanctions actually work, and we don't end up with another Crimea
silk iron
they probably won't work in the short term, but it depends on the level of unrest amongst Russian citizens in Russia itself
icy ridge
Ukraine really is pleading for help
silk iron
there ain't no cavalry coming over the hill
icy ridge
Ugh it just pains me to just watch them fall
warm marsh
Ukraine wants short term aid (which makes sense) but everyone else wants to focus on the long term
silk iron
there aren't many arms which can delivered to Ukraine, particularly on such short notice.
warm marsh
Fucking Ted Cruz. what the hell
haughty yew
Fucking Ted Cruz. what the hell
What did he do
warm marsh
He's speaking at CPAC at the moment and called on the attendees to boo Psaki
split aurora
Twitter
silk iron
...on top of that given Ukraine is surrounded with Belarus to the north and Russia to the east and their navy in the south, the arms could easily fall into the wrong hands.
split aurora
Russians in Kyiv, the President is going nowhere
warm marsh
We're in the midst of a global crisis and he's fucking calling her names
haughty yew
He's speaking at CPAC at the moment and called on the attendees to boo Psaki
What a terrible person
warm marsh
You don't know the start. Asshole tried to "vacation" in Mexico last year as Texas's power grid was down due to bad (and cold weather).... If you know anything about Texas, they aren't used to the cold
nocturne osprey
icy ridge
Why can't NATO just give membership now and immediately helped Ukraine??? They are literally calling "Where are they???"
zealous rapids
His moneys down.
warm marsh
Because, NATO doesn't want to go into direct war with Russia, their economies are dependent on Russia's fuel
split aurora
Why can't NATO just give membership now and immediately helped Ukraine??? They a...
Because then new york gets turn into nuclear waste
icy ridge
Because, NATO doesn't want to go into direct war with Russia, their economies ar...
So basically Economy vs helping a democratic nation being invaded who is screaming for help?
silk iron
yep
split aurora
Russia threatened nuclear strikes on anyone who intervened
nocturne osprey
silk iron
but also no European countries want to escalate things or be drawn into a long war, there is in obligation for NATO countries to protect Ukraine since it wasn't part of NATO.
warm marsh
As much as I want to see the cavalry charge down the hill and kick the Russians back to Moscow, I don't want to see our world nuked to hell and back
zealous rapids
Ye
split aurora
https://twitter.com/antoguerrera/status/1496848585882746881 Well done to everyone who helped shut down Germany's nuclear power industry to replace it with coal, oil and gas straight from Moscow
icy ridge
It just hurts 🥲 yeah I don't want the world to escalate to ww3 but just seeing Ukraine falling 🥲
silk iron
not much can be done really, best we can as Europeans can do is ensure Ukrainian refugees are well looked after
copper monolith
heard over the shitty propaganda that my dad was listening to on his laptop (cuz Rossyja1 is blocked on cable), and they were just talking about sending convoys of "humanitarian aid" for all the Donbass people fleeing fighting, and also all the infrastructure that the rebels are destroying all by themselves, nothing about them bombing civilian towns
split aurora
heard over the shitty propaganda that my dad was listening to on his laptop (cuz...
Flashbacks to Molotf's breadbaskets
copper monolith
*Flashbacks to Molotf's breadbaskets*
I did not know those existed until now
huh
icy ridge
heard over the shitty propaganda that my dad was listening to on his laptop (cuz...
You're in Lithuania right? Aren't they NATO? Shouldn't they not have propaganda??? 🥲🥲
copper monolith
I mean there's a sizeable population of russians here, so we get some russian tv, or used to
split aurora
(For those who haven't heard the story, during the 1939-1940 Soviet invasion of finland, soviet foreign minister Molotof promised to drop breadbaskets over Helsinki to feed the population.
The breadbaskets were filled with cluster bombs, to kill civilians who tried to take the bread
The finnish troops decided they needed a drink to go with the bread, and that is how the Moltof (Molotov) Cocktail was named!)
icy ridge
I mean there's a sizeable population of russians here, so we get some russian tv...
Really Praying for you guys to stay Safe 🙏🙏
copper monolith
molotov also made lithuania and other baltic states a buffer zone lol
silk iron
o7
split aurora
The 13men held out against naval bombardment and invasion for several hours, fighting to the last man
copper monolith
snake island?
icy ridge
Last communication of the 13 ukranians on snake island
The Bois are absolute madman's 07 thank you for your service
copper monolith
man
split aurora
Russian war crime hiding technology!
Mobile crematoriums to take care of those nasty civilian casualties
silk iron
oh no
hollow hollow
ukrainian hinds not giving up yet https://twitter.com/Ukraine_AF/status/1496961483569340419
split aurora
ukrainian hinds not giving up yet https://twitter.com/Ukraine_AF/status/14969614...
brrrrrrrt
haughty yew
Mobile crematoriums to take care of those nasty civilian casualties
I very much do not like where that is going
hollow hollow
also i have some sad news: all 13 men defending snake island from russian warships have been killed. they told the russians to "go fuck yourself" when they suggested surrender. if they're not heroes, no one is. https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/t0onuz/audio_from_snake_island_this_is_a_russian_warship/
split aurora
o7
royal nymph
o7
mild heart
also i have some sad news: all 13 men defending snake island from russian warshi...
May they rest in peace the absolute legends
royal nymph
Literal chads
warm marsh
The Russians are gonna have to fight tooth and nail if they want to fully secure Ukraine. Taking Kyiv won't mark the end of the fight
hushed magnet
also i have some sad news: all 13 men defending snake island from russian warshi...
o7
hushed magnet
The Russians are gonna have to fight tooth and nail if they want to fully secure...
sadly i doubt theres many endings to this, and that theres any that look good for ukraine
scenic galleon
May those heroes rest in peace, Godspeed
hushed magnet
i hope im proven wrong, but i dont know how much of a chance there is against russia
split aurora
hushed magnet
ukraine is putting up a fight at least, which is great to see
and it looks like theres a lot of protesting from inside russia too
split aurora
Russia done goofed up!
royal nymph
Watch the Pacific DLC drop soon
split aurora
Ukranian air force today
royal nymph
China violated the Taiwanese air defense zone the same day Russia invaded Ukraine
hollow hollow
happens every week
split aurora
There's (unverified) reports that a ukranian Mig-29 pilot has become a fighter ace today
Being referred to online as The Ghost of Kyiv
How likely? Dunno!
It's.... most likely not true
mild heart
I so hope it’s true
split aurora
it's fucking amazing if true, and I hope it is, but It's unlikely
silk iron
it's fantastic morale boosting
split aurora
ukraine is still operating its air force, and getting periodic supremacy
eg during the assault on the airport, russian troops were getting hounded by ukranian air support
mild heart
The fact that they still have an Air Force is brilliant
split aurora
https://twitter.com/Sc0ttishKoala/status/1496904999456370690 Earliest I can see quoted for this
Theres certainly been enough planes downed for this to be possible
hollow hollow
two flanker-e's in an old mig? give that guy all the medals holy shit
mild heart
Yeah that is not an easy job
split aurora
He's in a mig-29 too supposedly, that plane started production in 1981
mild heart
Never count out the migs, they may be old but they’re still good at what they do
split aurora
aye
Helicopters count for aerial kills too, which helps
Since choppers can't exactly do much faced with a mig blasting at them
hollow hollow
all the aircraft listed are jets tho, if that report is accurate that dude is tom fucking cruise
split aurora
This is floating around
now, at first, 65500 seems a very big number
but thats nano siverts
thats about 65.5 microsiverts, a chest x-ray is 100
Chernobyl not gonna kill us yet 😌
nocturne bobcat
Well luckily Chernobyl will almost certainly be a non-issue anyway
I maintain, Russia isn't about to start leaking radioactive stuff or nuke land it's trying to conquer
split aurora
The jump up is.... weird, but its far from any harmful levels
nocturne bobcat
Yup yup
split aurora
I maintain, Russia isn't about to start leaking radioactive stuff or nuke land i...
hell they have enough of that stuff at home, they wouldn't need to take it from chernobyl
nocturne bobcat
Yup yup
split aurora
just go to one of their power plants and asks for some spare uranium waste
nocturne bobcat
Or just nuke whoever
Precision and all that
But yeah agreed, and it's a bit interesting seeing how many media outlets keep reporting on Chernobyl like it's gonna be the smoking gun in this war somehow
silk iron
sensationalism
nocturne bobcat
Yeahhhh
hushed magnet
yeah i mean, i dont see why russia having chernobyl alone would make any difference at all
nocturne bobcat
yeah i mean, i dont see why russia having chernobyl alone would make any differe...
Yup, the biggest deal is that they've allegedly captured crew workers in that area
hushed magnet
using it as a weapon would be a dumb idea, and why would they need to use chernobyl when they could just drop a few of their own nukes
split aurora
yeah i mean, i dont see why russia having chernobyl alone would make any differe...
it only makes 1 significant difference, in that its one of the main obstacle on the road to kyiv
silk iron
media sources know it triggers the memories of those who were old enough to remember the Chernobyl disaster back in 1986.
nocturne bobcat
But idk why they keep alluding to possibilities of it being used as a weapon or chess piece or whatever
split aurora
from belarus into kyiv chernobyl stood in the way, and made for a significant defensive point
hence the several hour battle there
silk iron
and also those who fear nuclear power/ radioactive waste etc.
hushed magnet
it only makes 1 significant difference, in that its one of the main obstacle on ...
yeah, but i mean them owning what remains of the power plant doesnt mean much, aside from the staff theyve allegedly captured and whatever
keen sorrel
But yeah agreed, and it's a bit interesting seeing how many media outlets keep r...
So has this channel so I guess lots of people saw that chernobyl series and assumed that exact thing will happen on demand if the person who owns the area wants it to
nocturne bobcat
and also those who fear nuclear power/ radioactive waste etc.
Wonder how those people feel about eating bananas lol
Spooky radioactive yellow potassium fruits
nocturne bobcat
So has this channel so I guess lots of people saw that chernobyl series and assu...
Yeahhhh
silk iron
well that's rather different, and the banana example is used to de-mystify and quantify radiation dosages.
nocturne bobcat
But it's radioactive!
silk iron
put things into perspective if you will
nocturne bobcat
OOoOOOoO
silk iron
so were MRI scanners
nocturne bobcat
hushed magnet
media sources know it triggers the memories of those who were old enough to reme...
and yeah this pretty much ^
nocturne bobcat
Sorry I'm going off the rails a bit lol
silk iron
who isnt
hushed magnet
its easy to make people who dont really know any better to think "wow russia could lead radiation and kill everyone, thats scary"
nocturne bobcat
True
hushed magnet
especially with "Chernobyl" in the headline
mild heart
The thing is even if Russia could do something with Chernobyl it would negatively impact them as well
silk iron
Probably the only region people actually recognise in Ukraine
maybe Crimea
and Kiev or Kyiv as the capital
copper monolith
After 15 hours of keeping up with this, it's time to sleep, hopefully I'll wake up and theres still a ukraine, and no extreme radiation lol
silk iron
gn
nocturne bobcat
Night Val, get some rest!
split aurora
After 15 hours of keeping up with this, it's time to sleep, hopefully I'll wake ...
Night bud, sleep well <3
gloomy spear
Good night Val
silk iron
Ukraine will probably last at least another 4 days at min
nocturne osprey
Twitter
mild heart
Night val, have a good rest
split aurora
https://twitter.com/Faaytuks/status/1496999371258441731
It's not a significant rise
silk iron
who knows though, if demoralisation sets in
split aurora
it increased to 65500 nanosiverts
nocturne osprey
It's not a significant rise
yes
silk iron
it's a huge percentage increase, but the absolute increase is still negligible
nocturne bobcat
Not sure if it's been mentioned here already but Putin's been meeting with Russian oligarchs apparently
silk iron
people often get worried when the increased risk of cancer or heart disease is 100x
split aurora
people on twitter about being el stupide about them
silk iron
but generally speaking if the risk is 0.00001% the rise to 0.001% isn't that big a deal
nocturne bobcat
Probs just filling them in but it's causing a shit storm rn in F1 cause one of those Russian oligarchs was Dmitry Mazepin
silk iron
perhaps on a grand scale if it effects the entire population such a proportion increase will impact general public health...
what am i on about again?
split aurora
Probs just filling them in but it's causing a shit storm rn in F1 cause one of t...
gotta love pay drivers
split aurora
perhaps on a grand scale if it effects the entire population such a proportion i...
nah, it wont
nocturne bobcat
And there's a substantial amount of other high profile oligarchs and I just wanna know the meetings are about specifically tbh
Peaked my curiosity
split aurora
the effect is negligible in the context of the environment as a whole
nocturne bobcat
gotta love pay drivers
Yeeeehaw
split aurora
theres been a lot of calls to cancel the sochi grand prix
nocturne bobcat
Yup, Vettel said he wasn't going to race in the Russian GP
nocturne bobcat
Yeye
split aurora
tbf i dont know to what degree the fia has control
silk iron
i hope it gets cancelled tbh
split aurora
as they have a habit of signing contracts to agree "we will go to your track every race for X years"
silk iron
but im completely uninformed
nocturne bobcat
Right yeah
mild heart
I mean they cancelled events for covid
nocturne bobcat
I mean, Haas had to get rid of their Uralkali sponsors
silk iron
Sochi grand prix will most likely get embargoed either way
split aurora
Sochi grand prix will most likely get embargoed either way
The only way that mazepin might win a race
silk iron
i dont keep up with f1, so woosh
nocturne bobcat
It's crazy what a ripple this whole situation has had on everywhere is my point
zealous rapids
I know like we don’t want this. But if it stops war just let them have ukraine?
split aurora
its just mazepin alone on an empty track, still managing to get 3 safety cars
nocturne bobcat
It was inevitable to happen to F1, but all the political drama in the motorsport scene feels so insignificant now in the grand scheme of things
split aurora
i dont keep up with f1, so woosh
tldr: his dad is a russian billionaire oligarch and payed nikita's way into the Hass f1 team last year: he's shown to be a fucking woeful driver and well below the f1 quality standard
silk iron
@nocturne bobcat throughout history it's always tensions in Europe which kick the hornets nest for the rest of the world
gloomy spear
I know like we don’t want this. But if it stops war just let them have ukraine?
I think the problem is like it rarely just stops there
split aurora
he's nicknamed "mazespin" because he can't drive his car straight without spinning out
nocturne bobcat
I know like we don’t want this. But if it stops war just let them have ukraine?
Historically that hasn't worked out well for the West
Appeasement rarely ever satiates a country that wants it all
zinc talon
I know like we don’t want this. But if it stops war just let them have ukraine?
don't know whether the ukrain people would agree with you
silk iron
well appeasement is great when you are dealing with a sane human being with reasonable demands
nocturne bobcat
well appeasement is great when you are dealing with a sane human being with reas...
Whaaaat, you're saying perhaps Putin isn't a reasonable, sane human being?
silk iron
Putin is, put in the simplest possible way, a 21st century Stalin
silk iron
Hitler is a bit too strong a comparison, but yh not quite that evil...
but very much off the evilometer
zinc talon
interesting thread: https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1496993350888484874
Twitter
hushed magnet
yeah i feel like its easy to over draw comparisons with the past, especially WW2 and Hitler
when in reality, Putin is not Hitler or Stalin
nocturne osprey
I know like we don’t want this. But if it stops war just let them have ukraine?
we tried that in ww2
nocturne bobcat
There's certainly comparisons to draw but yeah, it's not a 1 to 1
Not even close to a 1 to 1
hushed magnet
yeah
zinc talon
"Compared to its intervention in Syria, the Russian military appears to be taking more efforts to avoid civilian casualties, which tells us something about its ultimate goals. Russia lacks stockpiles of PGMs though, and if they go into cities, civilian casualties will increase. Obviously, Russia hopes that Ukraine or Zelensky will surrender without employing maximum force. The question is what would Russia be willing to do if Ukrainians continue to resist and start an insurgency in cities?"
silk iron
if you look at appeasement from the British perspective during WW2
First Germany rearmed and made a naval agreement with the UK in 1935.
second remilitarisation of the Rhineland in 1936
france did nothing
third Anschluss 1938*
hushed magnet
its definitely important to learn from the past, but simplifying everything to "ok but it didnt work then", doesnt really help anyone
id say Hitler is a different scenerio because his motives were fairly laid out before hand
zinc talon
Could we pls refrain from comparing everything to WW1/2?
split aurora
I think this holds weight
silk iron
then the cessation of the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia to the Germans, because ethnic Germans were living there and "suffering oppression under their gov"
split aurora
They expected a lot more damage during the initial bombardment and hoped for morale-sapping scenes to go on social media
silk iron
this was part of the Munich agreement IIRC
hushed magnet
afaik Putin doesnt have any laid out motives of expanding russia into central europe or whatever
zinc talon
I think this holds weight
there hasn't been that much of disinformation either. Not as much as you would've expected
silk iron
Chamberlain's speechs aged horribly "there will be peace in our time"
minor nacelle
Appeasement was more to do with the fact that Britain wasn't ready for war I thought
split aurora
there hasn't been that much of disinformation either. Not as much as you would'v...
Honestly every single thing about russia's behaviour in the last week has been....
weird
theres something off about almost every way they've been acting
very uncharacteristic
hushed magnet
Appeasement was more to do with the fact that Britain wasn't ready for war I tho...
it was a combination of a lot of factors iirc
that was a part of it tho
nocturne bobcat
I mean, encroaching on other territories isn't too far off what Russia does
There's some really sad but insightful documentaries on the citizens living on the Georgia border for example
silk iron
@minor nacelle Britain wasn't ready for war nor was France, but Germany certainly wasn't ready back in 1936, and Germany armed faster than the allies - appeasement to stall for rearmament was a failed strategy.
zinc talon
theres something off about almost every way they've been acting
someone pointed out, that Selenskyj (lol autocorrect) wasn't supposed to be where he is and is therefore hard to read for putin- idk, just an interesting point
nocturne bobcat
There was one dude who's house originally started in Georgia, but Russian military forces kept moving their border lines forward more and more every night
And now his house is in "Russian territory"
mild heart
I think I remember seeing something about that
nocturne bobcat
I think I remember seeing something about that
Funnily enough it was in a Top Gear special
So you may have heard it there
mild heart
Oh yeah definitely then lol
zealous rapids
How did it go from Ukraine to cars
minor nacelle
I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to deflect blame because I'm not, but Russia encroaching on other territories as it's doing, I don't really see how it is any different to what the US has done ever since WW2
nocturne bobcat
So while yes, the sudden violent tactics are a bit uncharacteristic for modern day Russia, the whole taking-land-from-their-neighbors-and-calling-it-their-own thing isn't new tbh
silk iron
you have to name specific examples
split aurora
I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to deflect blame because I'm not, but Russ...
Tbf, I agree, but that doesn't mean the US is right, it just means both are wrong
silk iron
the difference is justification for war
split aurora
and rn Russia is the one in the wrong as they are the ones doing the conquering and war crimes
zealous rapids
Where does australia sit in all of this?
split aurora
So while yes, the sudden violent tactics are a bit uncharacteristic for modern d...
but also, their attack seems very... restrained? Russia usually makes use of much, much heavier bombardment and munitions then this
hushed magnet
not that i think theres a right way to handle things with russia, but Hitler pretty clearly laid out that he wanted to expand into the east iirc, and had fairly clear motives behind the propaganda
appeasement didnt stop hitler because no matter what, he wanted to expand
afaik we dont have any idea of what russias motives are beyond ukraine, if there are any at all
silk iron
Putin has laid out clearly he seeks to recreate greater Russia as well - so not much difference when it comes to expansionists really
but Putin seeks to establish puppet regimes instead of out right annexing countries
minor nacelle
<@!234375862542139393> Britain wasn't ready for war nor was France, but Germany ...
Yeah, that's true, I only know what I know about that from GCSE history so I assume there's gaps in my knowledge, but I think Chamberlain didn't see Hitler as someone who couldn't be reasoned with
civic harness
My mom is saying so much ignorant Information and it’s making my blood boil
nocturne bobcat
On the note of school, despite the impending global doom I gotta go knock out psych assignments
silk iron
gl
minor nacelle
Tbf, I agree, but that doesn't mean the US is *right*, it just means both are *w...
Precisely, yes, I should have clarified that
nocturne bobcat
Will check back in later 
civic harness
No point she’s dead set on the Information she has
silk iron
the justification for the current war with Ukraine from Russia is "denazification and demilitarisation"
zinc talon
No point she’s dead set on the Information she has
block
silk iron
it's clearly a fabrication
civic harness
She’s saying Russia “gave” Ukraine its territory
hushed magnet
the justification for the current war with Ukraine from Russia is "denazificatio...
yeah
silk iron
Ukraine split off from Russia as a sovereign people
civic harness
and that the US is mostly behind it all so that western oil will more valuable and make the western world more richer 😐
Jesus
warm marsh
the justification for the current war with Ukraine from Russia is "denazificatio...
Just because the Russians gave them as justifications, doesn't mean they're true
silk iron
demilitarisation is a euphemism for wiping out all military personal who oppose us
exactly
zinc talon
the justification for the current war with Ukraine from Russia is "denazificatio...
on this note
hushed magnet
my parents are strongly QAnon, i cant wait to hear what they will think about it
silk iron
these justifications are so bs, even many Russians who are swayed by Russian propaganda can tell
civic harness
Ukraine split off from Russia as a sovereign people
That’s what I said even if Russia did give Ukraine its land it’s a sovereign nation and has no right to invade. That’s like saying the UK wants to invade Canada bc they want their land back
zinc talon
my parents are strongly QAnon, i cant wait to hear what they will think about it
oh boy i wouldn't be able to hold myself together
civic harness
Stupid
silk iron
Irredentism is yknow
it's a branch of Jingoism
and it's hard to crack through that kind of nationalistic pride with logical reasoning
warm marsh
That’s what I said even if Russia did give Ukraine its land it’s a sovereign nat...
You can't say "sovereign" and "Canada" in the same sentence without invoking the wrath of the Quebecois
silk iron
anyway the "denazification " claim is also absolute bs
minor nacelle
I've not been alive for like a long time at all compared to most people but I feel like we're in an age of truth not mattering to people, just whatever backs up their bias
warm marsh
anyway the "denazification " claim is also absolute bs
Ukraine's president is Jewish for Pete's sake
silk iron
as has been mentioned many times President Zelensky himself is of Jewish descent
haven't heard of many Jewish Nazis in my time lets put it that way
warm marsh
Putin's just trying to justify it to his own people (those who blindly follow him). Ukraine knows it's bullshit, the US knows it's bullshit, the whole world knows it's bullshit
silk iron
Putin might as well just have invaded with the pretext of "might makes right, everyone can go fuck themselves"
zinc talon
Putin's just trying to justify it to his own people (those who blindly follow hi...
Everyone? No..
warm marsh
Everyone? No..
Those with a brain at least. It'll be interesting to see how Qanon and Trumpland sees this war
Trump's been pretty clear on his stance about Putin and the war already. Fox News cut him off earlier today for crying out loud
silk iron
the justification is so pitiful even those victims to the indoctrination by Russian media are having a hard time saying positive things about the war
minor nacelle
There's probably a larger number of Russians opposed to it but, after what happened to Alexei Navalny previously, I imagine a lot are scared to come out in full force
silk iron
i think there's a link further up
zinc talon
the justification is so pitiful even those victims to the indoctrination by Russ...
bcs its one thing to have a war in a middle eastern or african country and another thing, having a war on your doorstep.
silk iron
there were 1000s of protesters in st. Petersburg
civic harness
a lot of protesters have been arrested in Russia
silk iron
that's also true
zealous rapids
Tbh in a way I feel like trump could’ve handled it better because. I feel like if he was with Putin and talking with him he could’ve just like talked him down or war
vocal wren
There has been a Ukraine pilot who has allegedly won 6 airfights, but I am having a hard time finding any sources on this claim, does anyone have any info about it?
silk iron
many Russian parents will see their young men coming back with horrific injuries - and no amount of propaganda can twist that narrative
civic harness
according to the French president The Putin in 2019 is different from the Putin today. He’s more colder and isolated
lofty wind
aren't the conditions for the russian soldiers shit anyways
morale's gotta be low at least somewhat
civic harness
I keep seeing TikTok’s of Russian soldiers
zealous rapids
Huh
silk iron
from what i've heard many Russian commanders are corrupt and some use soldiers to build their houses or do work on their property
vocal wren
Trump actually has praised Putin for his actions https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/24/politics/donald-trump-praises-putin/index.html
zealous rapids
Do you guys think the armies would ever revolt against him.
vocal wren
https://discord.com/channels/176364445797318656/946434082462650428/9465571094436...
Yeah, I saw that, but I cant find any info besides that
silk iron
@zealous rapids natm
civic harness
That’s hard to say. Armies are meant to be obedient
zinc talon
Yeah, I saw that, but I cant find any info besides that
so i wouldn't count on it being true tbh. Always double-check this stuff
civic harness
They can’t do anything without structure
vocal wren
Exactly what im trying to do
minor nacelle
I suspect it'll depend on the level of nationalism within the army
And/or patriotism
silk iron
if Russia loses this war the chances of a coup would be fairly high
civic harness
I suspect it'll depend on the level of nationalism within the army
I heard a Russian platoon surrendered to ukrainien after they found out they’ve been ordered to kill ukrainiens : /
silk iron
but i don't think Russia is going to lose, at the very least large chunks of Ukraine east of the Dnieper will be occupied in the comnig days
zinc talon
I heard a Russian platoon surrendered to ukrainien after they found out they’ve ...
nah they where there to scout and didn't knew they had orders to kill
civic harness
Ah ok
zealous rapids
I think trump is playing with Putin. In a way I think eh know how Putin acts. And he may think that this prasied and acknowledging him will stop him@
Cause like think about it since his presidency he’s really only beeen criticiZed
civic harness
Ok thanks
vocal wren
I think trump is playing with Putin. In a way I think eh know how Putin acts. An...
Yeah, I have no idea how that would work
civic harness
Also I don’t want to be that person but I don’t think ww3 will be happening unless Russia invades Ukraine and then proceed to travel outside of it into nato territory
vocal wren
Thats what it seems like Wallnut
civic harness
unfortunately worst case scenario Ukraine falls
silk iron
sure Putin and Trump are both egotists, but thinking massaging Putins ego is going to make him stop his expansionist ambitions is absurd
trump is just grabbing media attention again
civic harness
Im really really glad that Trump isn’t the president dealing with this
vocal wren
Anyways, what some old man that used to be in charge of this country thinks or says is irrelevant to the actual situation at hand
zealous rapids
unfortunately worst case scenario Ukraine falls
I think it’ll start if they touch nato places. Like Poland who’s big with the us
silk iron
exactly
zinc talon
trump is just grabbing media attention again
i just blocked everything containing the word "trump" on twitter. It isn't even worth the energy to read it
silk iron
smart
vocal wren
Yeah, it sounds like no one else is going to get involved unless NATO land gets touched
ruby forge
Im really really glad that Trump isn’t the president dealing with this
Tbh I would take Kamala over Biden to deal with this
civic harness
If they successfully invade Ukraine they’re still gonna border nato states :/
zinc talon
tired scaffold
zinc talon
this is from 2016, but still gives an estimation about the area
ruby forge
After the Afghanistan withdrawal I really hope he isn’t the guy we have that goes to war
vocal wren
@zealous rapidsDude, this really isnt the place to praise him
zealous rapids
I’m not praising him
vocal wren
Like this channel or this server
zealous rapids
Nvm
At least that wasn’t the intention of my message
I can see how it could’ve been but didn’t think too much of it
civic harness
I’ve always romanticised war scenarios and apocalypses. It’s a favourite genre of mine but In reality I understand at how devastating that can be
silk iron
well wars are morbidly fascinating
lofty heart
fun stories to write, but a very terrifying and depressing reality
silk iron
become a lot less fascinating when you see the consequences in person
zinc talon
another airstrike is beeing expected in Kyiv in the coming minutes..
zealous rapids
Like this channel or this server
Why not the server?
civic harness
I like the idea of living in a homestead and farming my own food. But if I truly need to do that for my own survival. That’s scary
lofty heart
Why not the server?
i believe a lot of this community is against trump
so that might be why
plus we dont really do politics here
this is a very special case where the discussion of the war has been allowed
zealous rapids
Ok
silk iron
This Russo-Ukrainian war has fucked the worlds economy for a few weeks at least - and my god i don't want to know how difficult it'll be providing for the millions of Ukrainian refugees
zinc talon
this community is very open and progressive, so it rly doesnt fit the tone (imo)
civic harness
And don’t forget the millions of Russian people who will suffer bc of the sanctions
silk iron
indeed
zealous rapids
this community is very open and progressive, so it rly doesnt fit the tone (imo)
But if it’s open wouldn’t it be allowed? I mean I’d prefer if people accept my opinion, they don’t need to respect it or agree?
Aren’t Russians protesting because of it
civic harness
I hope for Russia’s sake they have enough farmland and water to supply every Russian themselves
silk iron
hopefully they'll become angry with Putin as they struggle to get by and see through the propaganda.
lofty heart
But if it’s open wouldn’t it be allowed? I mean I’d prefer if people accept my o...
It's not that we aren't respectful of your opinion, but we really don't want to start a heated argument over it because that's very likely to happen
zealous rapids
Fair
zealous rapids
I hope for Russia’s sake they have enough farmland and water to supply every Rus...
Wait what if they just used Ukraine as farmland tho.
silk iron
put simply happy|chonky trump's opinion is fairly irrel, he is well known to spout bs randomly
zealous rapids
What’s irrel
zealous rapids
Ok
civic harness
Wait what if they just used Ukraine as farmland tho.
Well they have to secure most of Ukraine to do that
silk iron
for example if i started talking about how bad my investments are doing for 3 whole paragraphs
that's irrelevant atm
zealous rapids
Ok
silk iron
"no one would give a crap" in the bluntest way
vocal wren
You know what else is irrel? This tangent
zealous rapids
What’s a tangent
silk iron
that was kind of the joke
vocal wren
Yeah, I was trying to joke along
lofty heart
just google what a tangent is and move on
silk iron
a tangent in conversation is where you tail off into a niche or irrelevant part of a conversation
for example if i were to talk about how great google is as a company
vocal wren
Anyway, What do you guys think of anonymous attacking Russia through cyber means?
zinc talon
for example if i were to talk about how great google is as a company
did you know leon used to own a charizard?
silk iron
bruh thats not a tangent dude
zealous rapids
Anyway, What do you guys think of anonymous attacking Russia through cyber means...
Idk.
silk iron
thats just bringing up irrel crap
zinc talon
thats just bringing up irrel crap
ik just joking
silk iron
look m8
you gotta make the jokes land and consistent
anyway anonymous attacking Russia is great and all
but doesn't add up to much tbh
civic harness
There’s a conspiracy that russia is behind all the sudden alt right movements gaining traction in the western world
zinc talon
you gotta make the jokes land and consistent
pardon me, not gonna engage in any humor
split aurora
Anyway, What do you guys think of anonymous attacking Russia through cyber means...
absolutely based
silk iron
i gatekeep the quality of comedy
lofty heart
wait
I misunderstood
I thought we were talking about russia cyber attacking everyone else
not the other way around
silk iron
i mean Russia props up alt left and alt right groups just to destabilise nations
split aurora
Anonymous drift from chaotic good to chaotic evil, definitely on the good side now
silk iron
yh anonymous are anarchic-progressive
they don't like police state countries which invade other nations
zinc talon
don't know how much good this will do tbh.
unless they manage to disrupt communication or intel
silk iron
little but... it's nice to have them do something productive nowadays
it's hard to measure their impact - grey hat hacking from grass roots organisations is nowhere near as damaging as it was in the 2005-2012 period
but that's my take
dont quote me on it
split aurora
unless they manage to disrupt communication or intel
i mean they shut down several russian govt sites, RTNews, and several ISPs
thats not an insignificant amount of damage
silk iron
probably don't want to mess directly with the Russian military
also i'd presume a lot harder to do,
zinc talon
i mean they shut down several russian govt sites, RTNews, and several ISPs
sure but does it help with the current situation? correct me if i'm wrong but usually the aggressor uses cyber-attacks to disrupt information in the public and cap orientation on the defending site.
snow pecan
Stopping trains is something that’s possible? That’s wild
split aurora
Stopping trains is something that’s possible? That’s wild
oh yeah, and so much more
snow pecan
Dang
split aurora
in 2017 north korea shut down the entire NHS
snow pecan
I gotta catch up
snow pecan
Very “the future is now old man” moment for me
Oh I guess cause trains run on electronic systems
I was thinking like, a rail train
I guess that makes sense
split aurora
sure but does it help with the current situation? correct me if i'm wrong but us...
I mean, it stops access to RT news propaganda, and it hit internal connectivity within russia
how much it helped, nobody can know
but im not gonna write it off as none
tired scaffold
I was thinking like, a rail train
What other sorts of trains are there?
zinc talon
I mean, it stops access to RT news propaganda, and it hit internal connectivity ...
true, didn't think about that
split aurora
and i dont imagine anonymous intends to stop here
snow pecan
What other sorts of trains are there?
Well when I think of a train I think of an old train
split aurora
RTs been brought down once again
snow pecan
But obviously I can see how a modern train could be hacked so to speak
tired scaffold
Well when I think of a train I think of an old train
Modern trains also run on rails, except for maglevs which aren't a thing in many places
snow pecan
Idk man I’m clearly not a train expert
silk iron
i think anonymous will keep focussing on harassing Russian media disinformation campaigns
tired scaffold
But yeah, if you can remotely access the controls at power stations and substations you can turn off the power, but that's not the easy way to disable train services
The easy way is to fuck up the signals
zinc talon
so far airstrike warning seems to've be inaccurate
tired scaffold
If you can access railway control boxes and stations, you can set points wrong, you can set signals to red that should be green, etc
(Or green that should be red, if you really want to fuck shit up)
woven merlin
fierce arch
Anyway, What do you guys think of anonymous attacking Russia through cyber means...
russia is gonna use this as propaganda
does more harm than good
also i believe many of the websites just blocked ips not from russia
so they didnt get ddosed
fierce arch
hopefully they'll become angry with Putin as they struggle to get by and see thr...
the sad reality is that it might not do anything either
the russian government can just say "your situations are caused by the west" and channel their hatred towards the us and the eu and etc
you can see this in north korea
perhaps not the best example, but nonetheless
vocal wren
Thing is, there are massive protests in Moscow right now
silk iron
as is the fate of most police states
but do remember public consciousness shown in protests can come back to bite in years later particularly if they are violently suppressed
unfortunately as the tyrants facade is unveiled, the tyrant will move from manipulating his people to draconian measures keeping them in line.
silk iron
what good can be achieved, asides from the wishful thinking and the standing together...
not much tbh
but if Russia encounters resistance in Ukraine
or the police cant be paid as much
things can change rather quickly
...but this is all hypothetical atm
and im tired
fierce arch
its kind of obvious that ukraine cant win a war against russia directly
which is why the idea is to cripple russia's economy so much that the war destabilizes it
silk iron
and Putin knows this full well, which is why Russia is focusing on seizing Kyiv to attempt to finish the war ASAP - so the sanctions don't have knock on effects - cutting troops pay, not being able to replenish ammunition/weapons etc.
which could cripple morale and supply in the mid-term.
zealous rapids
and Putin knows this full well, which is why Russia is focusing on seizing Kyiv ...
I feel like if it got to the point of cutting pay troops would surrender or revolt. BEcause mostly people want moeny
uhh spelling
silk iron
not impossible
but unlikely, Russians troops view the west as the enemy
meanwhile in Afghanistan for example
security forces were generally aligned with the Taliban or at least neutral towards them
but i'm speculating here as usual
fierce arch
troops defecting or deserting is not common
like look at both world wars
and for it to happen in such a large wave
zealous rapids
true, but in an age purely based of money, and the idea of money stuff being more wideknown I dont leave it out of the mix
dull crane
haughty yew
“US senators express bipartisan support for emergency aid package” headline from CNN
fierce arch
https://youtu.be/4oULSBdQb-U
a good chunk of people dont want war
but a good chunk do
i think its like 50%
but among the younger generations wlel
fierce arch
yeah like
split aurora
kiev, siege and border marked on map here
fierce arch
i doubt these sanctions will go away anytime soon
silk iron
im better at disputing than confirming but sure
icy ridge
Phone just came back online what has happened in the past few hours
split aurora
Phone just came back online what has happened in the past few hours
First urban siege just began
icy ridge
Kyiv??
icy ridge
Omg how are they holding up?
split aurora
Omg how are they holding up?
dunno, no news as of yet
split aurora
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1496958617945317377
Might well be true
but its just a show of force
NATO combined massively outstrips russias entire army
haughty yew
https://mobile.twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1496958617945317377
From a quick search I found no proof it’s real, but it could just not be widely covered yet
split aurora
a coalition air force would be bombing moscow within 12hours
zealous rapids
ye
royal nymph
a coalition air force would be bombing moscow within 12hours
That would trigger CSTO to respond
split aurora
That would trigger CSTO to respond
the entire CSTO air force would be wiped out
fast
zealous rapids
whats CSTO
split aurora
russian alliance
fierce arch
yeah
zealous rapids
ah
fierce arch
some russian allied states
split aurora
Russia, belarus, kazahstan, etc
fierce arch
and like
royal nymph
Better known as the Goof Troop
fierce arch
while those nations are powerful
stark harness
World straight up looking like WW3 but it 99% won’t happen
split aurora
is higher than CSTO excluding russia
(including russia)
zealous rapids
probably i mean the budget may be higher, the budget is like 700 bill
split aurora
US military budget is higher then 2nd and 3rd highest globally combined
fierce arch
(including russia)
no like
icy ridge
CSTO is basically USSR excluding Ukraine (and the other Eu/NATO countries) right?
zealous rapids
what about Africa, south america and austrial do they fall anywhere
split aurora
oh
@fierce archthe US's military budget is worth 50% of Russia' entire GDP
lmao
wew
fierce arch
yeah
split aurora
Russias economy is shit
fierce arch
aka
split aurora
its smaller then italy
fierce arch
russia would not have a fun time
silk iron
do remember tho that America would take time to mobilise if they intervened in this hypothetical scenario
zealous rapids
this is quite inetresting
fierce arch
the us can mobilize fast
silk iron
thanks to military bases positioned all across the world and a streamlined NATO alliance
fierce arch
<@!244226294970056705>the US's military budget is worth 50% of Russia' entire GD...
also for reference russia spends like 4.3% of their gdp on military
america's is 2.2%
if america wants, they could double their military spending
fierce arch
if the war got out of hand
split aurora
Konotop is surrounded by heavy russian armour
siege likely to be bloody and fast
then an assualt to kyiv
250km ish distance
silk iron
time to mobilise, put simply, "is time take to put troops sitting around doing nothing onto the front lines to fight "
zealous rapids
I wonder if a couple of my friends in the millitary may go over?
silk iron
probably
depends american troops are stationed all around the world
but more will be deployed in eastern european NATO countries in the comnig days
fierce arch
at the end of the day though russia won't be attacking nato
they are scared shitless of it
zealous rapids
most likely
silk iron
exactly
zealous rapids
Honestly at that point putin would dig his own grave
fierce arch
putin's goal in this was quite clear - he wanted to topple the democratic ukraine government so it doesnt spread
or wants
zealous rapids
hell probs take belarus because he wants to reform old soviet union
opal cloak
https://twitter.com/WW32022/status/1497025149010386950
This twitter account has like no sources btw
silk iron
to do that he needs to take Kyiv dispose of Zelensky's government and install a puppet
Belarus is a puppet btw
zealous rapids
oh
opal cloak
Theyre posting a ton of false information
split aurora
This twitter account has like no sources btw
ik, but its just repeating what credible sources say
iin this instance
fierce arch
belarus is basically just a province of russia
rare walrus
Ill be honest, with all thats been happening, it seems like what russias doing currently is a rushed sort of plan b, it seems that putin originally wanted ukraine to surrender but since ukraine didnt, they’re trying to go in quickly before either they collapse in on themselves with the low russian morale and protests or before nato joins in the war. What do yall think?
opal cloak
I wouldnt follow that account for credible news
opal cloak
Im only trusting news from major news outlets with like recent video footage
silk iron
@fierce arch not quite, but you can tell they're a puppet giving Russian troops access to invade Ukraine via Chernobyl
opal cloak
And elected officials
split aurora
rare walrus
Yeah arnt belarus and russia allies or something similar?
fierce arch
as mato said
silk iron
Lukashenko is as ruthless as Putin
fierce arch
belarus is basically a puppet of russia
rare walrus
Ah i see
split aurora
belarus is a client state
rare walrus
Ah i see
split aurora
its nominally independent, but lukashenko must follow whatever putin says
silk iron
remember the commandeering of that Belarusian flight for that free speech advocate and dissident
yh that dude is in prison now, and his wife is leading the party he once represented
fierce arch
while lukashenko does try to sometimes squeeze putin out of a better deal he knows that at the end of the day
if putin wanted to
he could snap his fingers and belarus would be renamed to the russian province of belarus
silk iron
Puppet regimes have control over domestic policy but not over foreign policy or their ideology - their elections are often controlled to an extent
for example south Vietnam was effectively a puppet of the US...
opal cloak
https://twitter.com/Worldnews195/status/1497025043716788229
Who the fuck is this lmao
silk iron
left wing candidates were not allowed
opal cloak
Im not trusting "Worldnews195"
fierce arch
for example south Vietnam was effectively a puppet of the US...
actually tbf it was france and the us
split aurora
Who the fuck is this lmao
its a video of a governor
chairman of the regional state whatever
opal cloak
It looks staged as fuck
rare walrus
How much of an effect do yall think the low morale of the russian army will have on the war?
split aurora
my man you're being extremely fucking pedantic here 💀
opal cloak
Shaky camera and the entire scene looks super faked
fierce arch
ok super offtopic i was in this nerd store they had a south vietnam flag but not a north vietnam flag
tired scaffold
Vietnam was a colony of France before the Vietnam War
South Vietnam was a US puppet dictatorship
silk iron
@rare walrus a huge amount, but even more so for the Ukrainians
morale is often intangible tho
opal cloak
my man you're being extremely fucking pedantic here 💀
I want the correct information to come out
People staging shit doesnt help anyone
fierce arch
morale doesnt matter if you can capture the capital in 4 days
rare walrus
morale is often intangible tho
True, but i think it can have a large effect on the war, especially with how poorly the russian army seems to be being treated rn.
split aurora
ukraine is surpassing all expectations for holding and resisting
fierce arch
russian forces are strolling through ukraine like a walk in a very chaotic park
split aurora
theres something working here
split aurora
Look at the airport in kyiv
rare walrus
morale doesnt matter if you can capture the capital in 4 days
Yeah, it depends on if ukraine can hold off long enough, hopefully the spring weather will slow advances of heavy armamants in ukraine
fierce arch
ukraine is doing a good job at resisting but this is literally day 1
split aurora
an entire airborne unit was wiped out
and several aircraft were wiped out
because they underestimated the strength of ukraines air force
silk iron
that was an endeavour doomed to fail paratroopers often are high risk high reward
zealous rapids
ive got to head off discord for the night
rare walrus
I think most of the troops in the capital rn are either paratroopers or the original special ops, since they weren’t able to bring in more troops through air due to ukraine taking back the airport
rare walrus
ive got to head off discord for the night
gnight
split aurora
I think most of the troops in the capital rn are either paratroopers or the orig...
no they were fully wiped out
silk iron
some ran into the forests
fierce arch
i like to be optimistic but
rare walrus
no they were fully wiped out
Ah i didnt know they were wiped out yet
fierce arch
as the infantry comes to the capital
split aurora
Ah i didnt know they were wiped out yet
ukraine got air supremacy and wiped them out
silk iron
yh things aren't looking too great lets be honest
fierce arch
ukraine really stands no chance
silk iron
if Kyiv doesn;t surrender
split aurora
Thing is
silk iron
there'll be huge civilian casualities
fierce arch
again
silk iron
yeah Russia is rather unstable - but that's never prevented russia invading other countries before while they're internally collapsing
fierce arch
who knwos if ukraine can hold out more than 3 days
split aurora
huge economic downturn, central bank having to take massive actions, riot police and soldiers called into over 50citied
fierce arch
russia has an ace in the hole
split aurora
yeah Russia is rather unstable - but that's never prevented russia invading othe...
every dictator has a "one bridge too far" moment
fierce arch
china
split aurora
remember what afghan did to the Soviets?
silk iron
meh
fierce arch
afghanistan was backed by the us
silk iron
China is just kind of sitting on the sidelines eating popcorn buying Russian gas
split aurora
I'm not gonna rule the Ukrainian army out
I may be being overly optimistic and hopeful
silk iron
The infantry force is comparable
split aurora
but I certainly don't think the situation. is anywhere near lost
rare walrus
I'm not gonna rule the Ukrainian army out
I think the ukrainian army has a chance to win defense, especially with their high morale and russias low morale.
split aurora
I just hope that Kyiv doesn't get into a bloody stalingrad style siege
silk iron
and probably has the advantage in air
i hope that too
hopefully most Ukrainians get out before a siege of Kyiv starts
split aurora
and probably has the advantage in air
Russia has air advantage on paper... but during the airport siege today russia retreated with significant losses and ikraine got air supremacy
and used that to inflict significant hurt to the Russians
grizzled steeple
The "nothing left to conquer" Stalingrad battle?
split aurora
retreated from the skies*
split aurora
Im still feeling a degree of hopeful here
split aurora
but it looked kind of like a distraction gambit to me
ehhh
rare walrus
Russia has air advantage on paper... but during the airport siege today russia r...
Plus a bunch of russias tech is a bunch of old soviet stuff, they dont have too many new conventions in military stuff unlike the newer stuff ukraine is getting from nato. Im not sure how much itll play into it but i think its worth mentioning
split aurora
there was a significant heavy reinforcement arriving
imo they were planning to land and drive on kyiv
split aurora
there was a significant heavy reinforcement arriving
these arrived but couldn't land due to Ukrainian air/anti-air assets
and pulled back
silk iron
if that happened the war would likely be over by tomorrow, but fortunately it didn't
rare walrus
Yeah, it was really good that ukraine took back the major airport
split aurora
in other news, the city of konotop has likely fallen now
fierce arch
best case scenario
split aurora
the city that was placed under siege
silk iron
but the Russian infantry and armour have still pushed towards Kyiv on both sides of the Dnieper today
split aurora
+putin has a heart attack
fierce arch
putin assassination when
silk iron
rather not
rare walrus
but the Russian infantry and armour have still pushed towards Kyiv on both sides...
do you think the spring weather with all the mud and stuff will slow the heavy infantry on ground?
fierce arch
can this even make it to spring?
silk iron
possibly
split aurora
The weather in Ukraine is still below 0c average
silk iron
but it looks Ukraine will lose most of it's territory by next week
rare walrus
I dunno, here in the us we’re already getting tons of rain (and i know that the us and ukraine are different geographically, but still)
silk iron
however if they survive till spring
Ukraine will become wet and muddy
making it difficult for both sides armour to advance
split aurora
@rare walrus the ground hasn't thawed yet
rare walrus
<@310247425916928000> the ground hasn't thawed yet
ah i see
split aurora
its still iced up from winter
silk iron
perhaps giving Ukraine some breathing room
rare walrus
Well, if the ground thaws in time, thatll slow the heavy stuff down by a longshot like the tanks and heavy infantry
fierce arch
i think that whats inevitable is that kyiv falls, but ultimately a ukranian insurgency could potentially help push russia out
rare walrus
Yeah, even if kyiv is taken, i dont think that will signify the end of the conflict, i think ukraine will still keep fighting tons
split aurora
missiles starting again?
split aurora
i think that whats inevitable is that kyiv falls, but ultimately a ukranian insu...
I can't see kyiv falling fast
silk iron
@fierce arch btw - an assassination attempt, from outside Russia, on unstable megalomaniacs like putin can only make things worse and feed his paranoia even more.
fierce arch
oh trust me
split aurora
the government has been handing out thousands and thousands of automatic weapons to every man in the city
rare walrus
Oh jeez, i really hope everyone still there is gonna be okay
fierce arch
if russia can surround ukraine
split aurora
its gonna be a bloody massacre on both sides
fierce arch
the government has been handing out thousands and thousands of automatic weapons...
but can they use them
silk iron
who knows
split aurora
but can they use them
Ukraine has mandatory military service for all men
so they'll have a significant level of competent with guns yes
having done a year in the military
ionic horizon
Can’t Putin just like not
silk iron
nope
fierce arch
i agree
ionic horizon
That would make everyone’s life easier
haughty yew
Can’t Putin just like not
I wish
fierce arch
im just saying
split aurora
fierce arch
send all of the florida men to ukraine
split aurora
do the hoi4 strat, send a single man and a truck to drive into moscow
opal cloak
send all of the florida men to ukraine
No please im in florida and legally male
split aurora
then declare it captured and win the war
silk iron
conscripts never fight to the same strength as full time soldiers
but they are defending their homes so...
fierce arch
yeah
silk iron
morale probably won't crack
fierce arch
they have a higher morale
split aurora
most Russians don't want to fight ukraine
opal cloak
Yeah
opal cloak
Most russians have family in ukraine or friends with family in ukraine
Especially near that border
split aurora
they are fighting for the survival of their families, their nation, and their entire culture and identity
silk iron
There's a possibility that when the causalities start coming in, it dawns on the Russians what the price of war is.
fierce arch
russia still hasnt healed from ww1
silk iron
and protests doubles down
fierce arch
that left a SCAR
opal cloak
I hope the sanctions stay in place after this war ends, assuming it does in the near future
silk iron
do you mean ww1 and ww2, honestly i don't know what scarred Russia more
split aurora
Unverified reports kyiv is being smacked by missiles again
fierce arch
was a massacre
grizzled steeple
There's a possibility that when the causalities start coming in, it dawns on the...
That implies social media and independent journalism isnt shut down by then
fierce arch
I hope the sanctions stay in place after this war ends, assuming it does in the ...
they will
biden isnt just gonna be like
"ukraine is occupied? ok russia you're free to go"
silk iron
you can't hide the soldiers who don't come back after going off to war
opal cloak
I meant if russia loses
fierce arch
ok
silk iron
IF russia loses
shrewd cave
was a massacre
that would be ww2 honestly
opal cloak
If russia retreats then im not sure if the sanctions will be withdrawn
fierce arch
is so astronomically unlikely
silk iron
they wouldn't
at least not until a new set of western government with goldfish bowl memories are elected
silk iron
and sanctions are withdrawn to reduce the price of fuel in the short term to help the economy
most people didn't
fierce arch
europe is kinda not doing well cause of russia gas
grizzled steeple
I mean the rate of which information spreads is crucial. If many people receive news of heavy casualties, there are more people who would organize to protest rather than just one or two people getting word at different times. At least thats my theory
fierce arch
but if they can secure a better gas flow
silk iron
now south Ossetia and Abkhazia sure we all forgot
fierce arch
ok
frozen conflict zones
are so irrelevant
when was the last time you thought about tranistria
silk iron
i've had it on the back burner the past month
but before that
i stumbled upon transnistria in like 2016
split aurora
Going to sleep now, waking up in just over 4h
hopefully the war crimes are minimal before I wake up
night all
fierce arch
if biden's mother of all sanctions passes
russia's economy will look like the end of a rollercoaster
undefined line type shit
wait
ukraine memes arent allowed here
i just remembered
ruby forge
sorry
stark harness
We should start pinning things like credible and trusted sources (i.e. twitter accounts, websites) that have live coverage/frequent updates about this situation
fierce arch
@vocal wren
vocal wren
Im ok with that
stark harness
Would also make it easier for people to get info quickly
fierce arch
https://liveuamap.com - live interactive map of ukraine situation
stark harness
Ayy thanks Tk!!
fierce arch
can you pin tat
icy ridge
What's the current update
vocal wren
https://liveuamap.com - live interactive map of ukraine situation
Well, that site is also down ATM
fierce arch
btw russia has ramped up its propaganda department and is churning out a lot of disinformation, please make sure to doublecheck any sources, especially those on social media
RT times is state affiliated news, it should not be trusted
@vocal wren can you pin that too
fierce arch
i gotta say the cyber militia aka anonymous is not doing that bad of a job the RT times page was barely loading
icy ridge
lilac sparrow
lilac sparrow
Ikr
fierce arch
icy ridge
NY Post is not the most reliable source sometimes
fierce arch
2022
lilac sparrow
Lol
icy ridge
But lol the audacity that they would try to mate during war
lilac sparrow
Yea probably false news, I was told I won’t be able to bring my phone if I deploy, huge security risk
icy ridge
Burner phone ok?
lilac sparrow
Well it could be true
fierce arch
tbf though its also like a commentary on war with the modern age
cerulean canyon
Donationn platform to help Ukrainian children with parents lost to the war
Pinnanble I'd say
icy ridge
Oh it's a donation
cerulean canyon
Yee
icy ridge
Yes please pin
tired scaffold
But lol the audacity that they would try to mate during war
Raping the women of occupied territories is a time-honoured tradition on this world
fierce arch
is this a certified
cerulean canyon
Appears to be
fierce arch
i just wanna make sure because there's always people who try to take advantage of situations like this
cerulean canyon
tbf though its also like a commentary on war with the modern age
Yeah @vocal wren can we pin this
Wrong message
fierce arch
i could just have a messsge with all the charities
cerulean canyon
https://www.saintjavelin.com/ pin this
fierce arch
or tk or you or someone
cerulean canyon
It needs to be pinned imo
vocal wren
https://www.saintjavelin.com/
cerulean canyon
Agreed
fierce arch
i can update it i have too much free time
cerulean canyon
So far this is the only one I've found
hollow hollow
huge explosion over kyiv, my guess is a backfire or bear just got shot down judging by the size of it https://twitter.com/anton_bachuk/status/1497040457918033925
