the_ukraine_situation

[warm marsh]

https://youtu.be/uwcTOWJlAyI

Livestream for press conference

[clear creek]

i wont believe anyting these days before it gets fact checked to hell

[cerulean canyon]

Alright cool. I shall tune back in then

[silk iron]

most paratrooping attacks to sieze airfields are high risk

[atomic vigil]

Either this is gonna world war 3 or it'll be a really quick conflict. No middle ground

[clear creek]

hope ukrain gets some boys into the air soon

[silk iron]

and the paratrooper vanguards often find themselves surrounded and run out of supplies without airdrops/ reinforcements or a coordinated ground push

[lilac sparrow]

I don’t think they are paratroopers, they are air assault

News said airborne

[leaden grove]

^^

[lilac sparrow]

Which also applies to air assault

[silk iron]

right my bad airborne

[warm marsh]

My money's on an insurgency. Even if the Russians manage to "win" quickly, there's gonna be an insurgency

[silk iron]

im used to ww2 history not modern war

[lilac sparrow]

I mean same diff, it’s a highly mobile strike force able to deploy infantry and light mechanized

[atomic vigil]

That's the last time something like this has happened tbh

[leaden grove]

Yeah, there were tanks with parachutes near Pskov

[molten tartan]

This does feel like something that would happen 50 years ago, not today

but I'm glad they recaptured the airport. If they hadn't, it might have been over already

[keen sorrel]

It started less than 24 hours ago, it's not going to be over for some time no matter what happens

[hushed magnet]

Well in Europe at least right

[molten tartan]

I know I know

but that's a vital link to Kyiv

[atomic vigil]

Yeah

[molten tartan]

They would have had a much easier time if they retained it

[clear creek]

i realy hope i can at least have a peacfull ski trip i now that sounds bad ass hell but i realy want to have my few minuts of peace before exam stress

[grizzled steeple]

Best of luck on your exam man

[clear creek]

i will ofcource be keeping an eye on the situation

[zinc talon]

are you talking about hostomel airport?

[cerulean canyon]

Honestly I've lived through so many ridiculous world events before the age of 30 that this doesn't shock me and that's sad

[clear creek]

i have lived true to many before being 18

[granite jewel]

I haven't even reached 20 yet

[warm marsh]

I'd argue that the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan was the last time something like this happened. The Afghan's were embroiled with a Communist uprising, and the Soviet's went in to help install a new Commie government.

Fast forward to today, and Ukraine has been embroiled with separatists in their eastern regions for a while. Now, Putin is going in to install a Russian-friendly government (like Belarus, which is practically a Russian puppet state, and why they're (the Russians) have been able to invade from the North and get close to Kyiv so quickly).

The only difference here is that Ukraine is in Europe, and surrounded by NATO

[lilac sparrow]

Chechnya is more equivalent to this imo

[molten tartan]

Yeah

[zinc talon]

they are still fighting https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1496928031474171905

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

CORRECTION: The report was by Oleksiy Arestovych, an advisor to the president, not by the armed forces.

He has deleted his initial report and said that the fighting is continuing in Hostomel.

Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 7:20 PM

[molten tartan]

Oh

[clear creek]

thats why we fact check peapol

[molten tartan]

man

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/1496900368344797184?t=Q42Vy8AqjAwkIMPjWvIr0Q&s=19

Alexander S. Vindman (@AVindman)

Pushkin Square, maybe less than 1000 meters from Red Square and the Kremlin, is the cite of a significant protest. These people know the risks of challenging the regime. They’re on the street in-spite of major personal costs. https://t.co/bYEfbO91xG

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Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 5:30 PM

[zinc talon]

to be fair, they reported it as emerald said before correcting it themself

[clear creek]

be strong free Russia

[molten tartan]

This is all so surreal

[cerulean canyon]

Yup

[grizzled steeple]

Yep

[molten tartan]

I was so sure that they were bluffing

[icy ridge]

How close to Kyiv

[raven fossil]

The protests, my god. These people are brave souls

[clear creek]

not kyiv thats moscow

[warm marsh]

Putin, a former Soviet spy in East Germany, feels threatened by NATO's expansion and reach across Eastern Europe. He longs for the days when the Soviet Union/Russia was a major power. He's trying to flex his muscles and distract his people (and the world) from Russia's internal troubles (their economy has been stagnate for awhile now). But his people, and the people of the world, are seeing through the façade and are rising up in protest. No one wants war. Only Putin.

[icy ridge]

I mean the invasion

[clear creek]

there still a way's of

[hushed magnet]

huge fucking support for those people

[clear creek]

the decleration was less then 24 hours ago peapol

[cerulean canyon]

Absolutely!

[raven fossil]

Aye

[tired scaffold]

There's a lot of people in Russia. More people than jail cells, more people than police.

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/aletweetsnews/status/1496893311835123716?t=SbCyDYWHKFHmKT7wzwC38A&s=19

Alejandro Alvarez (@aletweetsnews)

Protests are erupting in several Russian cities tonight against Putin's large-scale invasion of Ukraine, along with attempts from police to forcibly suppress them. Here's his hometown of St. Petersburg. I'll be threading videos below as I find them. https://t.co/B5MyG5E4ou

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thread of many protests all over russia

[split aurora]

I mean, it's not an issue of factchecking

its an issue of "A member of ukraine cabinet got it wrong"

[hushed magnet]

its good at least that a lot of people are willing to protest in russia
whether or not it'll be enough to stop a dictator is another thing, but its definitely a good thing

[molten tartan]

May I ask where this is from? It's not on the main article.

[split aurora]

The information, was from a valid and trusted source, with nothing really to counter it, it just turned out not to be correct, sadly

[raven fossil]

At least the general populace sees and is willing to rise against the problems

[warm marsh]

Gods help and protect the people of Ukraine and Russia who are standing up to this BS

[hushed magnet]

yuppp

[icy ridge]

It is? It's literally the main picture that is constantly updated when needed

[cerulean canyon]

https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/status/1496906522080731139?t=AMrD0erBJ6GvwU0vyXVFtw&s=19

Matthew Luxmoore (@mjluxmoore)

People marching through central Moscow this evening chanting “No to War!” https://t.co/BTQ3ZOGTan

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[molten tartan]

Nevermind

wrong article

[clear creek]

maybe they saw the president of ukrain's speech

[hushed magnet]

i mean its likely they just, dont want their government to invade another country lol

[clear creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-zilnPtZ2M&t=19s

[copper monolith]

@clear creekto answer ur question from gen pub, it's a bit unnerving what's happening south-east from here, especially since I have some family there, but Biden has said the US will still defend us and other NATO eastern Europeans

[clear creek]

thx

[zinc talon]

oh where are you from, if i may ask?

[copper monolith]

lithuania

ethnic russian tho

won't be able to speak in russian with fam when outside in case people are gonna throw stuff at us

[molten tartan]

As much as I said "Russia isn't stupid enough to invade Ukraine" and they did, they DEFINITELY aren't stupid enough to invade any NATO members

[zealous rapids]

So like what happened

[molten tartan]

That would be a death sentence for everyone

[zinc talon]

oh i see, tough day for all eastern europeans

[lofty heart]

Russia declared war on ukraine

[zealous rapids]

Why don’t they just like stop

[fervent matrix]

This man spittin

[molten tartan]

He said what we're all thinking

[silk iron]

well that was the idea of the diplomatic talks

[raven fossil]

Putin is completely delusional and the world is in fear

[hushed magnet]

yeah i doubt it a lot, but again its impossible to know what tf putin is panning next

[zealous rapids]

Do you think he’s become more delusional due to his isolation from Covid?

[lofty heart]

Putin is incredibly insistent on taking Ukraine and threatening anyone who opposes him

[azure plover]

are you safe, val?

[warm marsh]

One of the reasons they're invading is to stop Ukraine from joining. Ukraine is really the only remaining former-Soviet-non-NATO member that isn't aligned with Russia

[zealous rapids]

Bamba you’re a twitch mod now?

[molten tartan]

Moldova to some extent

[silk iron]

Ukraine wouldn't be able to join NATO with separatist states within their country anyway

[zealous rapids]

Belarus was apart they aren’t in nato

[molten tartan]

But Belarus is under russia's thumb

[silk iron]

Putin really just wants to conquer and reform Greater Russia

[raven fossil]

But they were planning to do something with NATO military things in Ukraine, right?

[copper monolith]

yeah, no air sirens so far

[zealous rapids]

What’s an air siren

[cerulean canyon]

Stay safe, val

[raven fossil]

Aye

[zealous rapids]

Like bomb warning?

[raven fossil]

Best of luck to you

[azure plover]

haha yeah

[lofty heart]

Air siren warns you of an Air raid

[silk iron]

there were talks of bypassing certain rules to allow Ukraine to join NATO

[azure plover]

🫂

[zealous rapids]

Ye… islanders still suck

[lofty heart]

Think missiles, planes, that stuff

[warm marsh]

Belarus is practically a Russian puppet state (Lukashenko, the Belarussian "president" is often described as "Europe's last dictator")

[copper monolith]

yes

[hushed magnet]

this is definitely gonna skyrocket international tensions for a long while, but i dont know if russia will want to go further than ukraine

[zealous rapids]

Wow, are you inland or on the coast

[stone vigil]

Air bombardments tend to occur before ground invasions

[silk iron]

but it isn't really feasible inviting a nation with breakaway states into a defensive pact without being drawn into those separatist conflicts

[fervent matrix]

i thought they were just set on certain regions

[lofty heart]

Yeah

[zinc talon]

which wouldn'tve been gone through, since it would provoke a war with russia (the irony)

[zealous rapids]

I think Putin will. There’s been rumored plans that he will try to get like Finland and maybe Poland

[icy ridge]

Wait Val are you in Ukraine If so PLEASE STAY SAFE 🙏🙏🙏

[molten tartan]

I don't think they're gonna stop at ukraine

[zealous rapids]

Tbh hell probs keep going until he’s stopped

[solid adder]

finland would mean going against sweden, norway and denmark too

[fervent matrix]

putin's crazy but i don't think he's gonna try and conquer Europe

[zealous rapids]

Ye

[molten tartan]

I reckon Moldova is gonna be next, with it's contested region on it's eastern side that I can't spell

[zealous rapids]

I mean he’s got bombs, nukes

[raven fossil]

I think going against Finland would be more like digging his own, snowy grave

[fervent matrix]

unless provoked he'll probably stop at Ukraine

[molten tartan]

Of course

[warm marsh]

If Ukraine joined NATO, or became an ally of NATO, Russia would basically be blocked from Europe (in terms of land access)

[silk iron]

Putin is trying to conquer what he can, aka nations not pat of NATO

[atomic vigil]

He took Allez Allez Allez to literally

[zealous rapids]

Honestly bro they just need to get their money up

[silk iron]

so firstly Putin will try to conquer as much of Ukraine as he can, mostly east of the river Dnieper

[hushed magnet]

agreed, there probably wont be any winners if he declares war on a nato nation

[warm marsh]

Ukraine remains the one non-Russia-aligned-non-NATO-state bordering him (or at least one of the last ones remaining)

[molten tartan]

The Sanctions are gonna have a pretty large effect at the very least

[zealous rapids]

Yes

Probably

I could see China form an alliance with Russia

Have a strong alliance*

[molten tartan]

They already do to some extent

[icy ridge]

What's the current state of the invasion, how far in are they?

[zealous rapids]

But it’d be interesting if China broke that alliance off

[silk iron]

secondly if Russia can take Kyiv and collapse the Ukrainian government they can push west of the Dnieper

[molten tartan]

From wikipedia

Obviously not confirmed but yeah

[zealous rapids]

I’d assume further because they have Russian hospitals set up too.

[hushed magnet]

especially if every other military power joins since at that point it would be a WW3

[azure plover]

he's in lithuania

[molten tartan]

Russia will not invade any NATO members

They're not suicidal

[hushed magnet]

it would be suicide

[molten tartan]

Exactly

[zealous rapids]

Idk

[warm marsh]

As bold as Putin is, he doesn't have a death wish

[icy ridge]

It's a NATO country right?

[raven fossil]

Yup

[molten tartan]

But I still think places like Moldova are at risk

[zealous rapids]

Maybe Putin is thinking he is gonna die soon so might ass we’ll go with a bang.

[raven fossil]

All the Baltics are

[thorn mason]

That map is already out of date unfortunately

[molten tartan]

He's not some supervillain

well

[silk iron]

Luhansk/Donetsk at a stand still, paratroopers forced out of Kyiv airport, Russian forces pushed into Chernobyl region.

[lofty heart]

Not likely

[molten tartan]

he is but

[azure plover]

this is handy

[molten tartan]

you get the point

[warm marsh]

The Baltics are NATO, yeah (except for Finland and Sweden, I think)

[molten tartan]

They're not Baltics necessarily

[fervent matrix]

Oh fuck he's gonna go after Ireland

[molten tartan]

And they wouldn't go for finland

They already lost once

[warm marsh]

Chernobyl's been captured

[molten tartan]

I know they won

[zealous rapids]

Fell bad for Finland if something happens cause they just won gold in hconey.

And all the other countries

[silk iron]

and Russian forces on the back of naval superiority have made huge gains in Kherson

[thorn mason]

The northern front has moved south and it doesn't show kyiv airport in Russian control

[azure plover]

irish fishermen > the entire force of russia

[molten tartan]

It gives a general idea though

[hushed magnet]

as much as putin is insane enough to pull this shit, there has been tensions between ukraine and russia for a good while, especially when it comes to nato being in the picture

[zinc talon]

true

[zealous rapids]

Ye

[lofty heart]

Accurate

[hushed magnet]

cant say i know anything about belarus tho

[molten tartan]

They've reached as far as Chernobyl IIRC

[silk iron]

Belarus is a Russian puppet

[raven fossil]

Basically Russia, mini

[silk iron]

they have given access to Russian troops allowing Russia to invade Chernobyl

[zinc talon]

also russia has been preparing this for a long while, building up narratives and spreading disinformation

[zealous rapids]

Do you think if they do touch nato countries it will escalate to nuclear war

[zealous rapids]

Plus building like tent hospitals and setting up

[warm marsh]

Their 'president' is frequently referred to as "Europe's last dictator"

[silk iron]

but Belarus themselves aren't directly involved in the war ... yet

[icy ridge]

If they touch NATO we are in a world war

[hushed magnet]

rural irish farmers > all world powers combined

[opal cloak]

true

[silk iron]

Russia won't touch NATO

[fervent matrix]

Tf is Biden talking about

[thorn mason]

According to a Ukrainian official shelling hit a nuclear waste depository as well

[zinc talon]

he sure would, if he could. But he can't

[cerulean canyon]

I hope you're right

[zealous rapids]

That’s whT my history prof. Was saying. She thinks he’ll try to get Finland, Ukraine, Belarus

[silk iron]

there's no reason to while they're involved in the Russo-Ukrainian war

[opal cloak]

Does everyone have there Nuke bunkers Ready

[warm marsh]

Putin is a former Soviet spy. He dreams about the Soviet Union

[zealous rapids]

No

But some people do

[silk iron]

Knowing Putin he'll clean up Moldova and Georgia before messing with NATO

easier targets

[icy ridge]

But Finland is gonna affect the Nordic Council so

[molten tartan]

In any case

we don't need to think about the future for now

[zealous rapids]

I think he will go until he’s stopped

[molten tartan]

we need to think about the present

[warm marsh]

No reason to get Belarus. It's practically a Russian puppet state

[stone vigil]

apart from full integration

[zinc talon]

no sanctions on russian oligarchs. so no pressure

[warm marsh]

Exactly

[cerulean canyon]

Very good point

[warm marsh]

US Congress is working on sanctions against them

[molten tartan]

Russia isn't going to annex Ukraine in any case, they're going to create an essential Puppet state

[warm marsh]

But Congress being Congress, I don't know how effect it'll be

[warm marsh]

Warsaw Pact 2: Electric Boogaloo

[molten tartan]

basically, yeah

[hushed magnet]

true, but theres not much we can personally do other than just spread facts and speculate rn

[molten tartan]

You're right

[zinc talon]

i just read this

[molten tartan]

it's unfortunate, but the west can't do all that much

Sanctions and sending defensive weapons are about the limit

[warm marsh]

White House Press Conference has been pushed back to 2:45 US Central Time (3:45 PM US Eastern Standard Time)

[zealous rapids]

Ah

[cerulean canyon]

God damnit

[keen sorrel]

Extremely russian names to the point where they look like they were made up by someone with no knowledge of russia beyond the stereotypes

[zealous rapids]

Off topic but do u think this would be different for the US if trump was still in office?

[warm marsh]

Get the Oligarchs, you get Putin.

[hushed magnet]

as long as its not getting "nukes" and "ww3" trending on twitter and blocking any actual info

[cerulean canyon]

Absolutely

[zealous rapids]

How so

[cerulean canyon]

Trump was trigger happy

[lofty heart]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Trump is on Russias side

[silk iron]

Trump admired Putin

[cerulean canyon]

Correct

[lofty heart]

So the US wouldn't be doing anything at best and would be helping Russia take over Ukraine at worst

[cerulean canyon]

The man's crazy tbh

[warm marsh]

I heard that Trump tried to tie this into the 2020 election somehow on Fox News, but they cut him off

[cerulean canyon]

Oh my god

[silk iron]

in fact Trump was describing Putin as 'savvy' in response to Putin recognising the republics of Luhansk and Donetsk

[hushed magnet]

"i know putin 👌 I know him very well. Hes a lovely man 👌 he is excellent at making coffee."

[fervent matrix]

no, americans want a war, he, and every other president would be pushing to help Ukraine

[zinc talon]

No Abramovich, Alisher Usmanov or Leonid Mikhelson. none of the above are even amongst the top 20

[fervent matrix]

pushing to further provoke Russia

[silk iron]

whatever Trump meant by that who knows

[viral junco]

if he tried to get finland that would escalate to nuclear war

[icy ridge]

Huh???? Is there context I missed

[hushed magnet]

it would literally be suicide

[molten tartan]

Well that's nice

[silk iron]

lmao

[lofty heart]

Nuclear war is seriously not a realistic problem because it would mean the end of humanity

[azure plover]

isn't finland usually pro-russia?

[lofty heart]

No one is dumb enough to engage in it

[solid adder]

wat

[viral junco]

no, very much not so

[silk iron]

nope

[azure plover]

oh wtf

[silk iron]

finland is about as anti-russia as you get

[solid adder]

that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard bro

[viral junco]

soviets invaded them in 1939 (the winter war)

[hushed magnet]

america thrives on proxy wars, idk if theyd want to start a direct war with russia

[warm marsh]

There's no doubt that the MAD doctrine is still in effect

[viral junco]

the finns sided with the nazis to fight the soviets in 1941 during the finnish continuation war

[atomic vigil]

No

[viral junco]

then proceeded to not join nato not out of wanting to side, but to avoid angering stalin

[keen sorrel]

I can't imagine it escalating that far even if they did try to go further tbh. Conventional warfare can still exist in a nato country.

[zinc talon]

it's only use is to scare of others of using it, which they won't because they are too scared to use them

[lofty heart]

As far as i know, MAD will never not be in effect

[molten tartan]

90% of the time nuclear war has come close due to mistakes and misunderstandings, not due to agression.

MAD is definitely in effect

[lofty heart]

Precisely

[atomic vigil]

If Russia invade Finland, they'll get flashbacks to Simo Haya

[warm marsh]

Exactly. The amount of times it came down to one person is astounding and frightening. Ever hear about the Soviet submarine officer during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

[molten tartan]

Yep

[hushed magnet]

yup, unless putin and every other official feels suicidal and psychopathic all at once, then no one will want to start launching nukes

[molten tartan]

Petrov I believe?

[icy ridge]

Yup

[warm marsh]

Shit like that is what keeps me up at night

[icy ridge]

🥲🥲🥲🙏

[fervent matrix]

putins gonna have a heated gamer moment and accidentally release a nuke

[molten tartan]

It's gonna be a game of DEFCON

scariest game on the planet

No one wins

Everyone dies

[icy ridge]

Haven't played it yet is it really anxiety inducing?

[atomic vigil]

What? Why smily tears?

[hushed magnet]

those screaming russian kid videos but also with nukes

[warm marsh]

Here's your friendly reminder to watch WarGames again

[keen sorrel]

Good film

[fervent matrix]

Putin releases nukes because his minecraft house got blown up

[warm marsh]

Who knew that Ferris Bueller almost started WWIII

[molten tartan]

Quite

[azure plover]

okay i apologize for being stupid but i thought that russia and finland shared military training or something

[icy ridge]

Oh that's the closest crying emoji I have....I only use it for sad times sorry for misunderstanding

[silk iron]

@azure plover Belarus my dude

[solid adder]

bro it was hilarious nearly spat out my drink

[warm marsh]

Finland was the Soviets' Vietnam before Afghanistan (and Vietnam, I guess)

[silk iron]

Kazakhstan is the other country in Russia's CSFO sphere

[hushed magnet]

this is what "cyber warfare" means, destroying each others minecraft worlds

[molten tartan]

There's really eerie music, and you win points by the number of civilian casualties you inflict. It's a demonstration of what a Nuclear War would be like

DEFCON is bloody scary

[cerulean canyon]

Don't apologize my friend, you didn't know but now you do!

I'm glad you asked because I also didn't know

[azure plover]

😵‍💫

or trade!! or something!!! i swear i'm not going insane

there's something that they do together

[hushed magnet]

i doubt finland would ever take russias side given their history lmao

with the USSR at least

[warm marsh]

What about the former-Soviet-member states in the Caucasus mountains?

(On another note it makes sense. The Baikonur cosmodrome is located in the Kazak steppes)

[zinc talon]

someone know whats going on in bulgaria?

[fervent matrix]

bulgaria?

[molten tartan]

If anyone is unsure about how devastating a nuclear war would be, or is just interested, search up DEFCON on youtube

It's genuinely terrifying

[zinc talon]

yeah, bulgarian defense minister wouldn't want to call the situation in ukraine as a war

[fervent matrix]

Only thing i found is they're welcoming Ukrainian immigrants

[silk iron]

@warm marsh Armenia, Azerbaijan?

is Kyrgyzstan part of the CSTO?

[zinc talon]

don't know how the newly elected administration is handling this

[warm marsh]

Yeah. Nations near there (Georgia, too)

[silk iron]

cant remember

Georgia isn't part of it

[warm marsh]

I'm not that well versed in terms of relations between those nations and Russia. I do know that Turkey, which borders Georgia, is a NATO member state

[icy ridge]

And they control the Bosporus

[warm marsh]

And also controls the Bosporus (thanks HOI 4)

[molten tartan]

It's the world's deadliest game of chess

but with nukes

[solid adder]

ngl hoi4 is bad

[molten tartan]

Bought it, still don't know how to play after 200 hours

[solid adder]

I know how to play and have like 300 hours but it's so boring

[warm marsh]

Paradox interactive would like to know your location

[solid adder]

I like ck3 tho

does that redeem me

[warm marsh]

Stellaris on the other hand is pretty fun

[molten tartan]

Real Chads like Age of Empires II

[hollow hollow]

mriya is alive! https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/02/mriya-is-in-whole-claims-an-225-chief-pilot/

[cerulean canyon]

Ooph our air force base is buzzing

[lofty heart]

I just came back and it's all about games

[warm marsh]

Only with gamers, can you turn a thread about the first major war in Europe in nearly a hundred years into a discussion about strategy games

[cerulean canyon]

We've got planes doing practice circles it seems

[zinc talon]

thought the same. but it was a nice distraction

[warm marsh]

Doesn't help that those strategy games were war games

You think Putin war-gamed his invasion with the Millennium Dawn mod in HOI4?

[lofty heart]

Should we keep it on topic or

[cerulean canyon]

Yeah

We should

[molten tartan]

Yeah

[warm marsh]

I'll keep it to #video-game-chat

[icy ridge]

Yes please keep it on topic thanks 🙏

[zinc talon]

another inspiring picture from moscow: https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1496927794131050498

Anton Barbashin (@ABarbashin)

Photo from Moscow.
A lot of youth that stands against the war https://t.co/3fvqt0INRF

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[opal cloak]

Kiev will fall within 96 hours

[icy ridge]

I can really see a revolution happen against Putin

[icy ridge]

Source???

[hushed magnet]

💪 solidarity

[opal cloak]

American government said it

Also the russian advances

[warm marsh]

That would be ironic, seeing as how some scholars would argue that this war is meant to distract the Russian people from Russia's failures

[molten tartan]

I mean

Honestly

[zinc talon]

could be if you soo how far they are in already

[molten tartan]

As much as I support ukraine

I feel like there's only one outcome to this war

[icy ridge]

Russia has captured an island in the black sea

[zinc talon]

source of the map?

[icy ridge]

BBC just announced

[lofty heart]

Idk if that map is accurate

[icy ridge]

Growing increasingly close to Turkey with that island in the black sea

[lofty heart]

I don't think Russia took that entire island

[warm marsh]

Russia annexed Crimea in 2014

[lofty heart]

I have been proven wrong

[cerulean canyon]

Said when

[zinc talon]

map from DRM Journal

[lofty heart]

Ah ok

[icy ridge]

Huh are they that increasingly close to Kyiv??

[zinc talon]

seem so

[icy ridge]

I don't mean Crimea BBC just announced it was a small island

[molten tartan]

That's slightly more concerning

[zinc talon]

but the map is also 2h old

[hushed magnet]

its nice to see them be able to push back, but Russia is not gonna risk looking weak against Ukraine, even if it costs them a lot of a military power tbh

[warm marsh]

Only way I see Ukraine winning, is either through NATO intervention, or an Afghanistan-like insurgency with the backing of NATO

That coupled with heavy sanctions against Russia and its Oligarchs

[icy ridge]

From BBC

[solid adder]

well rip

[stone vigil]

paratroopers are useless if the main army cannot relieve them

[opal cloak]

This statement was not so good to say the least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53xq3CkzIA

[stone vigil]

they can only carry so much of everything

[cerulean canyon]

Jesus Christ

[haughty yew]

I’m done with trump at this point

[hushed magnet]

it would be insanely embarrassing for Russia to pull this and not be able to take ukraine

[warm marsh]

At this point it can be easy to argue that Trump was Putin's puppet, whether it be literally or metaphorically

[zinc talon]

saw this earlier today and this will stick with me forever. Can't imagine what those people are going through

[solid adder]

finland ussr

[icy ridge]

o7

[warm marsh]

Have you seen what Tucker Carlson has been saying about Russia? He makes Fox News look like they're under Russia's control

[hushed magnet]

ok but everyone was distracted by WW2 right?

[icy ridge]

China: "Stop using the word invasion, we are not calling it an invasion, that's only in the West" HUH????

[cerulean canyon]

[solid adder]

I guess

[hushed magnet]

it would be even worse if it happened here lmao

[lofty heart]

It's an invasion by definition lmao

Like China, what are you doing with that statement

[opal cloak]

I got a lot more juicy leaks

[warm marsh]

China is trying to balance their relations between them-and-Russian, and them-and-the US (as strained as those are)

[zinc talon]

Anyone else afraid about china using this as a distraction to get taiwan?

[hushed magnet]

everyones eyes are on russia rn, if they arent able to take ukraine then thats the equivalent of pissing yourself in front of an audience to them

[icy ridge]

And then we get a Pacific Theatre once again

[warm marsh]

Relations between China and Russia haven't been that good since the Sino-Soviet Split, but they're not enemies. More like "friends with benefits" than actual friends

[zinc talon]

I'm screaming https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1496941831824760836

Reuters (@Reuters)

Russia should not be cut off from SWIFT at the moment - Germany's Scholz https://t.co/2sJiXQARJ7 https://t.co/DvP5K8zocg

Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 8:15 PM

[cerulean canyon]

Alright y'all I'm tapping out for now. Going to try and do some homework as a distraction.
Keep me posted as things progress. I'll check in later.
I love y'all, stay safe, remember to take breaks from the news and drink water!

[icy ridge]

News are saying it's an "Entante" atm

[opal cloak]

They are using it

[icy ridge]

Why not?????????????

[warm marsh]

At that point the US will get involved

They've done everything to show their support for Taiwan except say it out loud

[lilac sparrow]

We will get involved eventually, I’m already packed up ready to head out in the near future

[hushed magnet]

for certain?

[lilac sparrow]

Had to do paperwork most of the day day in the event I die

[hushed magnet]

where are you?

[lilac sparrow]

Still in the US

[warm marsh]

I live in a major US city for school. I don't give a damn if classes will still be in person, my bachelor's won't be worth the risk of nuclear annihilation

[icy ridge]

Thats the island I'm talking about

[lilac sparrow]

Smarter man than me, gave up on college and joined the army, thought that since we are getting out of afghan then it would be much safer if a career

[icy ridge]

Political classes in all Universities are gonna be WILD

[warm marsh]

As much as I want to see Putin fail and get his ass handed to him, I'm more worried about what would happen if NATO gets directly involved

[warm marsh]

I had a political science class last semester. It was online, but the discussions were in person

[icy ridge]

That is literally a world war, that's why we are hoping Ukraine can hold out

[warm marsh]

Ukraine already captured some Russian PoWs

[zinc talon]

still don't think there will be any nato involvement unless article 4 is invoked

[lilac sparrow]

NATO will wipe the floor with Russia, I have no doubt in my mind that the outcome can be anything less than victory, it changes if Putin hits that big red button

[warm marsh]

The only time Article 5 was invoked is when 9/11 happened

[lofty heart]

Article 5?

[hollow hollow]

how is it a world war when only 2 countries are at war?

[warm marsh]

I could've mistakened it for Article 4; basically "An attack against a member state is an attack against all member states."

[lilac sparrow]

Well if Ukraine appeals to the United Nations for aid, then can’t a nato member and eventually the rest of nato join?

[tired scaffold]

It would be a World War if NATO got involved

[tired scaffold]

4 is threats against member states, 5 is explicit attacks

[zinc talon]

no. Nato wouldn't join

[tired scaffold]

NATO is defensive

[warm marsh]

That'll be difficult, seeing as how Russia (and China) is a permanent member of the UN security council

They have full veto powers

[lilac sparrow]

But isn’t Russia involving any itself because Donbas appealed to the UN for intervention?

[warm marsh]

I could be mistaken though

[lilac sparrow]

I remember Putin’s speech mentioning that

[tired scaffold]

No

[zinc talon]

Hostomel airfield now finally back under controll

[warm marsh]

Fuck geopolitics. I just wanna vibe

[low rover]

I'm feeling really fucking stressed with the entire Russia and Ukraine situation

[warm marsh]

https://youtu.be/uwcTOWJlAyI

Starts in ten minutes (White House Press Briefing)

[low rover]

This whole thing is stressful because I'm scared of nuclear warfare

[lofty heart]

Nuclear warfare is unlikely

Because no one is dumb enough to end the world

[warm marsh]

Pretty much everyone

[low rover]

You forget how fucking stupid Putin is

[lofty heart]

He's violent, not moronic

There's a difference

If putin was dumb enough to engage in nuclear war, he would have by now

[split aurora]

Putins not stupid

he's extremely smart

evil

but smart

[warm marsh]

But he will if NATO gets involved and pushes his forces back

[split aurora]

he is a horrable despicable evil man, but he's not stupid by any means

[icy ridge]

If NATO gets involved is what I was responding to

[lofty heart]

Likely an empty threat because again, it's suicidal

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1496941052074201090
Second times the charm.... right guys?

KyivPost (@KyivPost)

Hostomel airfield was repulsed by Ukrainian forces.
This time for sure! https://t.co/vnBpMKQaqU

Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 8:12 PM

[molten tartan]

Let's hope

[icy ridge]

Okay Uhm, the News seems to be just repeating....is everyone like asleep? Like what time is it?

[split aurora]

Hopefully its true, but fuck knows if it is

[low rover]

If nuclear warfare happens, it'll be the end of us all

[solid adder]

im ready

[cobalt agate]

So i don't even know whats happening, I just joined on today and apparently the world has gone to shit?

[low rover]

Why can't the world just get along

[lilac sparrow]

Probably not all of us, South America would be looking a lot nicer

[icy ridge]

Yes

[solid adder]

yes

[lofty heart]

Russia declared war on ukraine

[cobalt agate]

Oh

Oh my god

wtf

[solid adder]

have you not been watching the news

[icy ridge]

Exactly our reaction

[cobalt agate]

NO

[lofty heart]

Ukraine is struggling a bit it seems

[cobalt agate]

I've been doing my college classes

and I rarely look at the news

wait but why?

[lofty heart]

Why what

[cobalt agate]

why was war declared?

[zinc talon]

Because

[solid adder]

because

[lofty heart]

Russia wants Ukraine to be annexed

[icy ridge]

Because

[zinc talon]

Don't know what else to say

[lofty heart]

Tensions were high

[nocturne osprey]

Putin wants to expand Russia's borders

[cobalt agate]

;-;

[lilac sparrow]

Because Russia claimed that ukraine was genociding the people of separatist ukraine and chose to intervene as part of the UN Security Council

[warm marsh]

I personally think it's unlikely, as MAD held out and the Cold War ended. I do think, however, that everyone has that fear itching at the back of their head. Just because it's suicidal, doesn't mean it's off the table. In fact, that may be the reason why it'll be on the table.

[silk iron]

@cobalt agate Putin plans to overthrow the Ukrainian government and establish a puppet regime

[cobalt agate]

thank you tuna for the better explination

explanation*

[icy ridge]

Is Europe sleeping atm (I mean by time)

[solid adder]

not yet

soon tho

[lilac sparrow]

They should be nearing bedtime

[solid adder]

yes

[icy ridge]

No wonder why the news is basically looping

[lilac sparrow]

It’s like 10 pm for them

[warm marsh]

It's around 10 PM in stockholm, Sweden

[solid adder]

Sweden gang

[lilac sparrow]

^

[cobalt agate]

I hope nobody resorts to using nuclear weapons, that would be disasterous

[solid adder]

[silk iron]

extremely unlikely

[lofty heart]

MAD would trigger so yeah

[lilac sparrow]

Hopefully Russia doesn’t go full belka and start throwing nukes everywhere

[silk iron]

nothing for Putin to gain from nuking a country he's invading

[warm marsh]

Chances are nobody will use nukes (we survived the Cold War), but that doesn't mean it's not a possibility

[lilac sparrow]

<<a nuclear border>>

[silk iron]

not much point conquering irradiated rubble

[warm marsh]

As long as NATO doesn't get directly involved, nukes won't be involved

[cobalt agate]

You know mato everyone else is giving me actual reasons and you keep saying that this is to gather more land and I don't think that is the case.

[grand pier]

NATO cant get directly involved, NATO is a purely defensive alliance they can not attack if not attacked themselves

[silk iron]

that's how Putin thinks

[lilac sparrow]

It technically is, they have recognized the separatist ukraine which is Russian backed, and they recognize them as nearly half of Ukraine

[silk iron]

the 'reasons' for invading Ukraine are justifications not the actual reasons

[cobalt agate]

yeah id rather listen to the others mato.

[rancid sand]

There are natural resources in Ukraine that could be seen as the reason (coal in Donbas) and getting more of Ukraine's area would mean getting more ports along the Black Sea which is important strategically. But there are also the other political reasons Putin does what he does

[grand pier]

the purpose of the russian attack is twofold, take the land the selfdeclared republics lay claim on and overthrow the current Ukrainian government to install a pro-russian government

[warm marsh]

bingo

[grand pier]

there is a third bonus objective, Ukraine is europes main producer of grain wheat and barley

[warm marsh]

need that barley for beer

[cobalt agate]

i'm just here trying to focus on classwork and finally enjoy lengends of arceus and now I'm stressed out cause a war is happening

[rancid sand]

Yes, I think they supply Middle-East with a lot of grain. This is going to hit them as well through that

[grand pier]

Not just the middle east, Ukraine is the 2nd largest grain exporter in the world after the US

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1496950008339484672?t=C9hC_BcBSsDFReOGXI6SEQ&s=19

The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent)

⚡️Now for sure: Ukraine reclaims the Hostomel Airport near Kyiv from Russia's forces.

Sources: Deputy Interior Minister Anton Herashchenko; Ukrainian parliament's Telegram channel.

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Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 8:47 PM

https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1496947243995353088

Thomas van Linge (@ThomasVLinge)

#Ukraine 🇺🇦: multiple reports of renewed fighting in #Sumy tonight. If true it would mean the Ukrainians are conducting a counter-attack. https://t.co/MZJQafOJNi

▶ Play video

Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 8:36 PM

[rancid sand]

Sorry not Middle-East , Egypt and other North African countries. My mistake

[grand pier]

if russia manages to take control over that grain supply they can make Europe even more dependant on keeping good relations like they have already attempted with the natural gas supplies

[icy ridge]

Mariopol being Bombarded atm

[silk iron]

i'm pretty sure Europe isn't that reliant on food exports from Ukraine

[grand pier]

you'd be surprised

[stark harness]

I see there is now a thread for this, am very glad

[cobalt agate]

i'm just stressed

[lofty heart]

Don't stress over it for the time being

[icy ridge]

If Ukraine completely falls and NATO is attacked then stress....but now hope and pray

[grand pier]

i'm a little stressed over it cause my partner currently lives in Poland and, while it is unlikely for Russia to attack a NATO member any time soon it is a very real possibility they might get drafted into the polish army and be at risk

Poland still has laws for forced draft

[nocturne osprey]

do they have any factors that could disqualify them from the draft?

[rancid sand]

According to Politico, Ukraine is EU's fourtg biggest external food supplier...provides about a quarter of cereal and vegetable oil imports and almost half if its corn. So it will hit, and with food prices already in a rise... well, it wont be nice.

[silk iron]

welp

guess i'll be moving off of Shreddies for a bit.

[grand pier]

Unfortunately not, we are looking into getting them to move in with me in the Netherlands as soon as possible now

[nocturne osprey]

ah, well good luck getting them to NL

[rancid sand]

Wish you the best with that

[icy ridge]

But NL is NATO too no?

[grand pier]

NL doesnt have a forced draft

[nocturne osprey]

I don't think NL has a draft

[icy ridge]

Ah okay

Best of luck!!

[zealous rapids]

What’s NL

[icy ridge]

Netherlands

[zealous rapids]

Ah

[icy ridge]

Okay the news is just looping I'm gonna stop watching

[grand pier]

least we have the luck of both countries being EU so the immigration process should be relatively smooth, mostly just a matter of saving up enough money for the trip and living expenses for while they find a job here

[zinc talon]

hope things will calm down over night

[grand pier]

But yeah i mostly came here to share the speech from the ukrainian pres but saw it was already posted a couple of times

and the news seems to have indeed slowed down and be looping at this point

[solid adder]

isnt it like 11pm in ukraine now

or 10pm if its the same timezone as me

[rancid sand]

11pm in Ukraine

Are the EU sanctions new?

[grand pier]

also can i say it's incredibly awesome this server is providing a place for people to discuss the situation? a lot of other servers i am in have a hard no politics of any kind rule and are shutting down any talk about it

[warm marsh]

Usually when politics are discussed, things get, well... political (i.e. hands get thrown). But in this situation, most, if not all people are united with the idea of standing with Ukraine against Russian aggression. That and people are afraid of war

Probably because of nukes

[vocal wren]

We as a mod team have realized that this is a very important topic, and is something that we decided that these convos where going to happen here no matter what. So instead of doing something like shutting down multiple convos about it, we push it to a localized spot.

[opal cloak]

The russians are now in Nikolaev

The Armed Forces of Ukraine see Chechens and Grushniki everywhere, who have laid land mines on the road and are waiting for them to blow up a lonely BMP as soon as possible, and cut off the heads of the survivors.

[vocal wren]

That seems a bit harsh

[opal cloak]

This is what the Russians are doing now

[vocal wren]

Ahh

[zinc talon]

any source?

[opal cloak]

Comes from Ukrainian soldiers

[molten tartan]

nice

[nocturne osprey]

@solid adder wait where are you from

[solid adder]

sweden

[nocturne osprey]

ah

[warm marsh]

Any idea why NATO isn't creating a no-fly-zone?

Other than "NATO doesn't want to be directly involved"

[opal cloak]

To scared probably

[vocal wren]

They may not have the authority to do that over a country that isn't part of them

[nocturne osprey]

there practically already is one

[warm marsh]

I guess I can reframe it as "an official no-fly-zone"

[opal cloak]

🇺🇦🇲🇩🇮🇱 At this moment Ukrainian Atsaly volunteers are sending another bus with Israelis from Uman towards the border with Moldova.

Just came in

[warm marsh]

Shout out to the mods for this

Just wanna say thanks for actually allowing this

I was wrong earlier concerning the timing of the White House Press Briefing. It actually starts in ten minutes.

https://youtu.be/uwcTOWJlAyI

[haughty yew]

Cool

[icy ridge]

Cool

[opal cloak]

Sanctions are not gonna help

[split aurora]

They are

the russian economy is a bit fecked

[icy ridge]

They will if they are strong enough to economically starve Russia

[opal cloak]

They still have china and North Korea on their back

[split aurora]

and when i say fecked I mean Over 45% stock market drop

[warm marsh]

Targeting the Oligarchs and their off shore accounts will fuck them over

[zinc talon]

what about nk? starving farming nation?

[icy ridge]

NK can't really do anything but yeah concerned about China being able to soften the impacts of the sanctions

[stone vigil]

North Korea is reliant on China, and if Russia crashes China will carry the weight of both

[opal cloak]

Their nukes

[zinc talon]

nukes are not an issue here

[icy ridge]

Yes but priority is food right now for nk

And covi

[stone vigil]

The costs of which will be far higher because war is expensive

[icy ridge]

5 mins till conference

[zealous rapids]

Do u guys think because Putin has been extremely isolate from Covid. If he got it he could be hurt assuming he doesn’t have the vaccine

[solid adder]

this is a bit of a sus question

[lofty heart]

I don't think it's that psychological

Ukraine and Russian tensions have been high for ages

[zealous rapids]

Nah I just mean in general

[lofty heart]

Putin just took drastic action recently

[zealous rapids]

Like if he got Covid would he die

[solid adder]

no??

[lofty heart]

Uh

[zealous rapids]

Oh

Ok

[lofty heart]

I can just predict the man's death

Covid has a pretty low death rate though

So it's not likely he would die

[zealous rapids]

Covid laced with other

[icy ridge]

Uh

[lofty heart]

Thats

Not how it works

[zinc talon]

"Citing martial law signed by Zelensky today, Ukraine's Interior Ministry says the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine is prohibiting men aged 18 to 60 from leaving the country."

[lofty heart]

Daaaaamn

[silk iron]

welp

not a good time to be a young male conscientious objector

[warm marsh]

"How to say you're implementing a draft without saying you're implementing a draft."

[icy ridge]

Hopefully press briefing isn't late

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/atanessi/status/1496925313187602442?t=h68ZAZNzX5c82Eu5wizMEQ&s=19

Grigor Atanesian (@atanessi)

Today, I asked a Russian diplomat how he was doing.

"I don't know how to respond to this question," he texted back. "I am disgusted with myself, I am sick with myself. I am ashamed that we all partially let this happen... We all lied... How can there be forgiveness for us?"

Likes

7650

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1837

Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 7:09 PM

[icy ridge]

Damn

[zealous rapids]

that one kid who turns 18 tommroow

he bolting

[warm marsh]

No one really wanted war, only Putin and his cronies wanted war.

[zinc talon]

apparently this is also happening: https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1496945849359814656

Anton Barbashin (@ABarbashin)

The Union of the Committees of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia, Russia's oldest NGO in the field reports draftees being forced to sign contracts and shipped off to the border with Ukraine
https://t.co/tTv8pancMU

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112

Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 8:31 PM

[warm marsh]

This isn't Russia's war, it's Putin's war

Just look at all the protests in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

[lofty heart]

In most cases people don't Wang war

Want*

[icy ridge]

One War hurts economic global prosperity so there's that

Why fight

When you can trade

[zinc talon]

young conscripts beeing pressured to sign in as contract soldiers

[zealous rapids]

do you guys think the people around putin would turn on him

if it goes to far

[lofty heart]

We aren't psychologists

[zealous rapids]

like all out war far

[silk iron]

probably not, Putin has already removed non-loyalists

[warm marsh]

If the Oligarchs begin to feel the economic pressure

[icy ridge]

Since Putin is practically so isolated that he's only taking bad advice if say no

[silk iron]

Putin has the same iron-grip as Stalin did

[ruby forge]

Idk nothin about the factional conflict in the inner circle of russia so not sure

[zealous rapids]

its quite a facisnating subject of discussion

[leaden grove]

Yes

[lilac sparrow]

I hope Ukraine descends into insurgency, get bogged down in a 20 year war

[leaden grove]

I don’t think the oligarchs are too happy with what‘s going on

[zealous rapids]

all the sergeis are upset

[hollow hollow]

i heard someone in another server say US intelligence should try "leaking" past assassination attempts on putin to try to make him feel paranoid and maybe get him to start executing his upper guys

[warm marsh]

It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when

[lofty heart]

No one is really happy about the war apart from the people who started it

[silk iron]

the oligarchs don't need to be happy, they just need to be fearful of the consequences of plotting against Putin

[zealous rapids]

no thats an awful idea

i feel like that would make putin mad at the US and go at them

cause there exposing his flaws

[leaden grove]

Well, tell that to Margarita Simonjan

[lofty heart]

Idk who that is

[leaden grove]

She runs Russia Today

[hollow hollow]

they could make it look like it came from someone within russia or something, US intelligence has really stepped it up these past few months

[lofty heart]

Ah ok

[leaden grove]

And frequently appears on Russian TV as a high-profile guest

[zealous rapids]

ye, but i see that as an easy backfire

[ruby forge]

That would be insane

That would create more instability

[leaden grove]

^^

[warm marsh]

So the Press Briefing hasn't started yet... Just gonna apologize for continuously getting the timing of it wrong

[hollow hollow]

it's pretty clear this isn't stopping until we make putin uncomfortable

[humble arrow]

bruh this is just… is the official Ukraine account really shitposting on Twitter…

[solid adder]

yes

[leaden grove]

And either way, US intelligence has quite a bad track record when it comes to assassinations and the like

[finite chasm]

Think it just comes off that way. Sentiment was to get people talking about what's up. Bit of a boomer moment but good sentiment

[hollow hollow]

i'm not saying assassinate him, i'm saying make him paranoid with reports of past failed attempts

[leaden grove]

Yeah, but I think the very idea of that is wrong

[hollow hollow]

he's already a pretty isolated person

[ruby forge]

The issue with that it may lead to him more brash and dangerous actions for the world

[zealous rapids]

i dont think making him uncomfortable stops him

[leaden grove]

^^

[warm marsh]

Just look at how many times the CIA tried to off Castro

[zealous rapids]

I think itll need a more physical stop

[leaden grove]

It might just make him more aggressive

[ruby forge]

What if leads to him thinking he has nothing to lose and goes all out

[leaden grove]

Don’t forget about the various South American dictatorships too

[rancid sand]

The official Ukraine acccount does that a lot, posting "non serious" tweets and kinda memey posts.

[zealous rapids]

I think the problem with this is the If varable he could do a million different things

[ruby forge]

The most dangerous person is someone with nothing to lose

[warm marsh]

I'm not a big Cold War nerd, but I can't recall a single time in which the US did a successful assassination (though, wouldn't it be best if the successful assassinations were kept secret?????)

[zealous rapids]

and because of that factor I think most people would be out because its an IF factor you cant tell. Its also a pretty big deal so id think of it as a last resort option

[humble arrow]

Definitely true, but it’s still odd considering literally everyone is talking about it. Sentiment is great it’s just an odd time and place for that

[icy ridge]

Hmmm the press briefing seems to be late

[leaden grove]

Here are some successful ones

[hollow hollow]

to clarify, when i was talking about assassination attempts, i meant failed ones by russians, not the west. there's at least a few afaik, probably more we don't know about

[zealous rapids]

not sure it could work with the tech now

[warm marsh]

They offed Che Guevara?

[viral junco]

Not included is lmumba

due to his death the crisis in the congo happened

[zinc talon]

ukraine account is always on fire reagarding memes and shitposts

[zealous rapids]

I have to get back to my history paper

[leaden grove]

A Bolivian firing squad did, but it was directly assisted and paid for by the CIA

[leaden grove]

Ohh, thanks for pointing that out

[zealous rapids]

ah so they just fund

[viral junco]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_Lumumba

[icy ridge]

Now I'm thinking how much future students have to research about of events in that happen in the span of 3 years

[gloomy spear]

Idk much about everything that’s going on just yet but I hope all you in the affected areas are safe

[zealous rapids]

yes, shall be quite an interesting college expierence

[leaden grove]

The good news is that the air assault on Kyiv seems to have been halted for now

[rich viper]

My soul hurts reading all of this...

[leaden grove]

Though ground forces could still get there in a day

[leaden grove]

Aw, maybe try to take a break to distract yourself?

[rich viper]

That's what I've been doing all day. I've skimmed this thread in ~5 minutes.

[steady matrix]

Not directly related to the conflict, but I just want to share the absolute beauty of the Ukrainian national anthem https://youtu.be/xDeQVaoTvJM

[zealous rapids]

do you think russia will try and cut off exits of places trying to prevent any flanks and ultimately cornering people in

[leaden grove]

Yeah, that‘s good. This thread is all over the place sometimes, so I can imagine it’s a bit overwhelming, if you want a concise summary, the NYT and The Guardian have them

[leaden grove]

no

[zealous rapids]

oh

[lofty heart]

Wouldn't that just be a war crime at that point

[zealous rapids]

what

[silk iron]

no

[leaden grove]

This war is already a war crime

[zealous rapids]

no

[rich viper]

Like Putin is above that shit.

[silk iron]

If anything Russia would allow those who want to leave to leave

[zealous rapids]

I have to exit for a bit to continue my history apper

[leaden grove]

good luck

[silk iron]

less people to keep suppressed that way

[opal cloak]

Russia is no Stranger to Committing war crimes

[zinc talon]

just think of syrian hospitals

[icy ridge]

Hold on when is the press conference supposed to be???

[silk iron]

ofc Putin would like to keep some of the more critical people like administrators, bureaucrats etc. if possible and wouldn't want to cause too much emigration.

[leaden grove]

Which press conference are you referring to?

[icy ridge]

White House

One that is upcoming

[thin compass]

actually wtf

[icy ridge]

Cause like it's been live for so long without starting

[thin compass]

first nordstream and now this

[zealous rapids]

i Am a james lol

[thin compass]

pls Germany stop

[zinc talon]

nordstream was already a mess. But this is beyond

[thin compass]

russia acc having the german govt in their back pocket rn like wtf

[gloomy spear]

I’m so concerned about how this is going to go down

[opal cloak]

Oil Prices Are Stonks

[silk iron]

Oil Prices went up as much as 60% today

[viral junco]

scholz try to do fucking anything challenge impossible

[thin compass]

It would've dealt proper damage to Russia as well 😦

[zinc talon]

it's all about gas and oil prices. Already higher than usual here. Germany is reliant on russian gas

[thin compass]

He wants his rubles

[viral junco]

nobody in germany is happy with him, at least from anyone i know

the helmets thing is a complete joke and if ukraine is defeated he played a role

[silk iron]

Germany needs gas and oil, the problem is most of their fuel comes from Russia

[zinc talon]

not even the ones who voted for him. Even the green party is taking a tougher stand on russia than him

[rancid sand]

Is Scholtz from same party as Merkel was?

[silk iron]

no

Scholtz is social democrat SPD

Merkel was CDU

Christian centre right

[rancid sand]

Ah. Thank you

[thin compass]

I actually cannot believe someone thought that making their entire country dependent on Russia through Nordstream was a good idea

It's beyond me

Thankfully not a thing now but the fact it even happened

[silk iron]

Germany should have not been paranoid with nuclear power

[thin compass]

Can't they outsource from France anyway? They've got surplus I swear?

[leaden grove]

Merkel was as centrist as it gets

[zinc talon]

there is already nordstream 1, which has more than enough capacity

[thin compass]

Bruh so it's still essentially an issue

[weak blaze]

y’know

I’m so messed up by American politics

our center is y’alls right

[opal cloak]

If only there was A treaty That stopped world powers Using nuclear Weapons and nuclear WMDs

[rancid sand]

Doesnt a gasline go through Ukraine? And Nordstream was a threat to that, since Ukraine was paid for use of their land

[silk iron]

yep

which is why Ukraine protested so much to Nordstream 2

[zinc talon]

northstream 1, yes, but ns2 wasn't supposed to replace this

[thin compass]

your left is still our right

[weak blaze]

fair enough

[leaden grove]

Yes, but I think that the main issue is the two party system which necessarily polarises people

[weak blaze]

yesterday texas passed a bill that says that gender affirming medical care is child abuse

[rare walrus]

Oh yeah, i live in the us and it is really wacky

[opal cloak]

what does this This Icon mean I keep seeing it ?

[royal nymph]

Reports are coming in that the Russians took the Chernobyl Power Plant

[leaden grove]

People‘s political opinions are too different to fit them into a binary system

[weak blaze]

means “this is true” or “i agree with this”

[leaden grove]

Yes, that was like three hours ago

[zinc talon]

already hours ago

[royal nymph]

Really?

[leaden grove]

Yeah

[icy ridge]

Uhm this is not ontopic of the Ukrain Situation....it's becoming a bit too American Politics atm

[opal cloak]

Tank you

[royal nymph]

Shii, my news hella slow

[leaden grove]

Check The Guardian‘s live coverage

[weak blaze]

sorry

[weak blaze]

whats with the planes

[thin compass]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60454795

[silk iron]

The decommissioning of nuclear power plants in Germany was probably the worst political decision made by Germany in recent times

[leaden grove]

They‘re avoiding Ukrainian and southern Russian airspace

[zinc talon]

https://kyivindependent.com/national/russia-attacks-wide-range-of-targets-in-ukraine-live-updates/

[leaden grove]

I disagree

[weak blaze]

damn

[silk iron]

I'm only partially informed sadly

[rich viper]

To be perfectly honest, I was hoping that the end of the world would be more... spectacular? Like an asteroid smashing us and our planet into dust. Not some asshole with his finger on 'The Button' taking us all down with him. This is just depressing...

[lofty heart]

It's not the end of the world

[icy ridge]

Not yet

[silk iron]

but the consequences of Germany being reliant on Russian fuel are severe

[lofty heart]

I don't think it'll ever escalate to the end of the world

That would be stupid

[rich viper]

Sorry, I'm just stating how it feels things are progressing toward...

[zinc talon]

i get that this is an issue to some people. But this isn't an issue atm and probably won't ever be

[leaden grove]

Gas only makes up 16% of electricity generation, most of it used for heating which is the issue

[silk iron]

don't get any of us wrong the Russo-Ukrainian war will be one of the worst events in our lifetime but it's not going to escalate beyond Ukraine in the shortterm

it's more a start of a second cold-war

[rich viper]

I hope you're right...

[silk iron]

increased military spending across Europe etc.

[rare walrus]

Oh yeah, there’s already thousands protesting in russia against the war as well

[zinc talon]

gas prices already went up by 100-140%. Imagine what would happen if germany would need to import gas via LNG's

[rancid sand]

Going forward there will be several crisis, another refugee crisis, which then brings more far-right sentiments etc, but we will most of us live

[leaden grove]

Well, there‘s enough gas for this winter

[silk iron]

I wouldn't guarantee far-right sentiments will actualise from the upcoming Ukrainian migrant crisis

[leaden grove]

I don’t think the refugee crisis will be as pronounced this time in terms of far-right parties

[silk iron]

I would predict some sympathy from Europeans

[leaden grove]

People don’t mind Ukrainians around here

[silk iron]

and hence, less political opportunity to score points with anti-migrant rhetoric

[leaden grove]

^^

[silk iron]

but take my views with a pinch of salt im british afterall

[finite sable]

I'm back what have I missed?

[silk iron]

@rare walrus i wish them well- but protesting in Russia is a risky business

when were you last here?

[finite sable]

Uhhh few hours ago

[silk iron]

not much

[zinc talon]

already more than 1700 people have been detained

[silk iron]

got to love a police state eh?

[finite sable]

Last I saw was... 4 hours ago

[rare walrus]

Yeah, theres been i think around a thousand confirmed arrests already? Im not too sure on that number but i wish all those protesting good luck on it

[icy ridge]

Is Putin basically Stalin II now?

[silk iron]

close enough

[leaden grove]

Yep

[meager hamlet]

The sanctions will hurt Russia

[silk iron]

Putin isn't quite as paranoid or ruthless as Stalin, but still unhinged enough to unjustifiably declare war

[leaden grove]

The most important thing I think is that Gostomel has been recaptured

[finite sable]

By?

[leaden grove]

By the Ukrainian national guard

[finite sable]

Epic

[leaden grove]

Yep, that means no major air assault on Kyiv for now

[opal cloak]

They announced a general mobilization in ukraine

[leaden grove]

But ground forces will get there eventually

[finite sable]

Pogging

[silk iron]

The Russians forces are focussing on taking Kyiv by expanding towards the Ukrainian capital on both sides of the Dnieper

the paratroopers failed to secure the airport

[leaden grove]

Yeah

But they could move through the Chernobyl exclusion zone now

[silk iron]

preventing what could have been airdrops/reinforcements by plane right on the doorstep of Kyiv

[finite sable]

I saw that the Ukrainian Twitter account has posted a satirical cartoon

[zinc talon]

they wan't to take out the administrative elite, so no way around kyiv

[rare walrus]

Ah sweet, was gostomel one of the original locations russia captured last night?

[silk iron]

take out the capital the government goes into exile and the Russians can install a puppet government with some legitimacy

[leaden grove]

Yeah, they sent in 20 helicopters with paratroopers

I‘m not sure where the helicopters went

[rare walrus]

Ah i see

[leaden grove]

IIRC Ukraine claimed to have shot down one of them but idk about the rest

[molten tartan]

So they have got the airport back?

[leaden grove]

And supposedly the surviving Russian paratroopers fled into the forests

[leaden grove]

Yep

[molten tartan]

That's good to hear

[silk iron]

also depending on where the military HQ/ news rooms HQ are Russians can take control of the media too and broadcast disinformation from Ukrainian channels * note this is a bit redundant in the social media age tho * and i'm assuming this is in Kyiv

[rare walrus]

That is indeed quite good to hear

[leaden grove]

Eh, they‘ve already got Rossija 24 for that

[silk iron]

i'm probably wrong then

[rare walrus]

Alright well, ive gotta go for now, might join back later tho.

[silk iron]

bb

[icy ridge]

YESSS

[zinc talon]

bb

[leaden grove]

The main thing they’re trying to do is claim that Ukrainian forces are surrendering to lower morale

Lemme check RT actually

[silk iron]

disinformation campaigns are really powerful at demoralising an army

particularly when it comes to those with some Russian ancestry

[leaden grove]

I don’t know if you‘ve seen it but Latvia has this handy little booklet on what to do during a crisis

[humble arrow]

It’s called propaganda

[leaden grove]

And one of the main points there is that you should never believe any news of surrender

[nocturne bobcat]

They've been shitposting about Russia on Twitter for a hot minute tbf

Like even back in Dec 2021

[icy ridge]

You know that speech by Charlie Chaplin as Hitler is now so so very relevant

[finite sable]

Indeed it is.

[nocturne bobcat]

Idk if it's insensitive or not to post the memes from the official Ukraine acc so I won't but

[zinc talon]

https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1481536598760173569 one of my favourite

Ukraine / Україна (@Ukraine)

https://t.co/aMGxnGGjIk

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[nocturne bobcat]

Be assured they've been shitposting for a bit

[silk iron]

The Cartoon in question was an attack on Putin's image comparing him, quite blatantly, to the infamous charismatic, yet tyrannical and genocidal expansionist Adolf Hitler - it was designed to not only undermine Russian disinformation of 'denazification of Ukraine' as a reason for war but also accuse Putin of hypocrisy.

[leaden grove]

@silk iron

[icy ridge]

I CANT

[nocturne bobcat]

Pfffffft

[leaden grove]

From the official booklet

[silk iron]

blimey

[humble arrow]

Yup

[nocturne bobcat]

https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1468206078940823554

Ukraine / Україна (@Ukraine)

https://t.co/bBtsdr7wmX

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Also from their official acc

[silk iron]

memes really are the next generation of political cartoons

[icy ridge]

Bit outdated now

[nocturne bobcat]

They really really are lol

[solid adder]

based

[silk iron]

"living inside of Russia"

[zinc talon]

who doesn't love a sassy official account

[nocturne bobcat]

[humble arrow]

Deadass we live in an age where a war can be going on and one teams side is shitposting on Twitter and doing “Twitter do your thing” tweets

[silk iron]

im going to read about student loans

enjoy your days

[finite sable]

Yes, I got that.

[nocturne bobcat]

[split aurora]

gostomel is an airbase ~20miles from Kyiv, russia was planning on landing heavy reinforcements there for a drive on the capital

it being retaken is extremely important

[silk iron]

btw don't get too caught up worrying over history unfolding, things are catastrophic no doubt, but there are many ways in which the Russian invasion can still fail, even in the event Ukraine's government is toppled and puppeted.

[steady matrix]

Map of Russian military troop movements. Not entirely accurate or detailed, but still does really show how threatening Russia is to Ukraine https://www.gfsis.org/maps/russian-military-forces

[zinc talon]

the people are strong and will resist

[split aurora]

https://liveuamap.com/ - This site is also extremely good for seeing a record of all reported attacks, bombings, speeches, sanctions ect.

The site appears to be currently down, its struggling extensively with load, just keep tryna refresh it

image from earlier

[icy ridge]

Warning: people screaming

[split aurora]

Yeah russia is putting them down extremely hard

[icy ridge]

And may distrub some viewers

[split aurora]

in excess of 1750 people in 52 cities have been arrested

for protesting

[warm marsh]

Press Briefing is finally starting

https://youtu.be/uwcTOWJlAyI

[icy ridge]

FINALLY

[copper monolith]

2hrs later

[icy ridge]

"Today we're following through. We will impose sanctions on Russia's two largest financial institutions, spare bank and BTB which together hold more than half of the Russian banking systems assets over $750 billion dollars in total for VTB. We will freeze all of its assets touching the US financial system and prohibit US persons from doing any business with the bank. For spare bank. We will sever its access to the US financial system. We'll also freeze the assets of and prohibit any business dealings with three additional Russian banks with combined assets of over 70 billion dollars. We'll also restrict US investors from providing debt or equity financing for 13 of the most critical Russian state-owned enterprises, which combined have estimated assets nearing 1.5 trillion dollars. And finally, we'll also impose sanctions on the executives at the state on institutions as well as additional Russian elites who are complicit in Putin's kleptocracy and their family members. Those who've shared in the Kremlin's corrupt gains and stored their wealth in yachts and luxury condos and fancy cars will now share in the pain of these measures In terms of the financial impact as I"

Just in case anyone didn't follow that here it is written

That's the first part

Hopefully this will be enough to literally choke hold Russia into economically starving

[split aurora]

yeah

The russian central bank is having to take massive measures trying to control the drop

and the costs are only gonna start hitting harder and harder

[icy ridge]

1 ruble is now 0.012 US

[haughty yew]

Wow

That’s a big drop

[split aurora]

5year view

[icy ridge]

10 year it's also bad

So is the US basically saying they're just gonna let Russia take over??😭😭

[split aurora]

"What do you mean you aren't storming moscow and partying like its 1991"

[haughty yew]

They are saying they won’t directly invade but will take measures to hurt the Russian economy

[icy ridge]

Yes but that's long term

Short term .....Russia just keeps moving into Ukrainian heartland

Bruh this guy really wants his questioned answered

[opal cloak]

Did you know that Rasputin's Frozen body is Hidden in a Secret room under the Kremlin

[copper monolith]

the white house press briefing is a shitshow lmao

[icy ridge]

What was the question? "Do you know where his money is?"

Wtf is this show haha

[icy ridge]

Children trying to grab attention of the teacher 🤣

Damn these journalists 🤣🤣

[warm marsh]

"I know it's late but I'll get to many questions as I can."

Isn't it like, only 6 PM there?

[icy ridge]

Yup 🤣

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1496974821061971970

https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1496972150787477506

Anonymous (@YourAnonNews)

RT trying so hard to come back tho lol https://t.co/I07btkabV8

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Anonymous (@YourAnonNews)

Russian ISPs are having a hard time:
Russian ISPs DOWN
Com2Com https://t.co/Sfc2FksxRv DOWN
PTT-Teleport Moscow https://t.co/lxS73uzFS8 DOWN
RELCOM https://t.co/QZEkbl603f DOWN
SOVAM Teleport https://t.co/3h7hlEyEby DOWN

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