the_ukraine_situation

[unreal path]

Plz let Sweden in already :(

[proven steppe]

💪🇸🇪

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1703855127751262628?t=WJu0zeWDfedK4OI9nHyWug&s=19

Also after the guy mentioning about moving to Kiyv, the words appearing on screen translate to "choose a city of your dreams"

[fast cradle]

Interesting fact about Kyiv, it used to be the capital of Kyivan Rus, a nation which a lot of Eastern European nations claim to be the true descendent of.

This might play some role in why Russia wants it so bad. That and the fact they ruled over Ukraine from like, the 17th century to 1991.

[fossil horizon]

More like 18th century but yeah it makes sense

Fascist governments are always all about their return to the "lost golden age" or whatever other fantasy age where everyone was fucking beautiful and perfect

[copper monolith]

[fast cradle]

I doubt a peace Treaty would work.

The conflict has been going on for literal centuries.

[subtle wyvern]

I doubt anything can work if there is Russia involved in it

[fast cradle]

Why does Wikipedia not mention how it has been going on since like, the 1600s? Like, the current conflict started in the 80s. But it was basically just a continuation of ethnic conflicts that started long ago.

I remember it being at least the 1600s.

Like, it isn't some new thing that randomly arose out of nowhere.

Which is how a lot of the Wikipedia articles seem to want to frame it.

[fleet ember]

They will not settle for peace that easily

I see this ending one of two ways: Armenia forcefully gets Nagorno Karabakh with no Azeri benefit, or Azerbaijan gets southern Armenia with no Armenian benefit, with the latter being more likely.

Azerbaijan wants a corridor and Armenia wants a dominantly Armenian region of Azerbaijan that is slowly being cleansed.

[copper monolith]

internal genocide

[fleet ember]

I hope those other ethnicities have the wits and will to fire upon their russian oppressors eventually, much like the armenian and azeri soldiers

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1704609961651699943?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

https://fxtwitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1704614709478203494?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[fleet ember]

Because they seemingly ran out of older supplies and weaponry plus politics iirc

[paper cedar]

A lot of Ukrainians are in Poland so that's surprising

[unreal path]

I wonder if it has anything to do with their grain disputes

I know Ukraine is suing Poland and two others about that

[subtle wyvern]

Oh piss off Poland

[copper monolith]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1704813819573219570?s=20

Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24)

Ukraine and Poland have agreed to find a common solution to the dispute regarding the export of Ukrainian grain.

Negotiations between the countries are to be held in the coming days, informs the Ministry of Agricultural Policy of Ukraine.

🇺🇦🇵🇱

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Twitter · Sep 21, 2023, 11:04 AM

[fossil horizon]

Fucking finally

This shit went on for far too long

[subtle wyvern]

Poland is gonna have an election next month so thats why they are doing stupid politics

[unreal path]

https://youtu.be/NHmHWurzkVE?si=alhkhKmtpeP9umi_

[unreal path]

That’s good

[fleet ember]

https://www.politico.eu/article/azerbaijan-armenia-nagorno-karabakh-summit-yevlakh/

[fast cradle]

Great idea, definitely not going to exacerbate current conflicts.

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/petite_michelle/status/1704875179820597567?t=rR1pLaeVMaebOpBDFlNU7Q&s=19

Regina Bauer 🇪🇪🇪🇺🇺🇦🇫🇮 🇸🇪 ✙ (@petite_michelle)

On the Russian online market service Avito, a fragment of the Malaysian Boeing flight MH17 that was shot down near Donetsk in 2014 was put up for sale. The part of the plane is called a “souvenir from Amsterdam” in the advertisement.
The seller stated that he found a fragment of…

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Twitter · Sep 21, 2023, 3:08 PM

Ghoulish

[stable girder]

Based Russian Zadorov

He also hasnt returned to russia these past summers

(the sane one he is referencing is you know, ukraine side)

[copper monolith]

https://x.com/reshetz/status/1705170446436503787?s=20

Mira of Kyiv 🇺🇦 (@reshetz)

Black Sea fleet headquarters in Crimea got visited by StormShadow

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Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 10:41 AM

lol

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/bnonews/status/1705241271738974395?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[copper monolith]

👀

[fast cradle]

While I support helping Ukraine, providing them weapons always worries me given that Russia hates us enough already, and is already threatening to kill us all.

[copper monolith]

dw they've been doing that for decades

[fleet ember]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1705258281583681841

[paper cedar]

^ exactly

[fleet ember]

Their word holds much weight as young siblings threatening to kill each other

[unreal path]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/09/22/atacms-ukraine-cluster-munitions/

Whyyy cluster bombs :/

[copper monolith]

hm

[fast cradle]

True, true. I just rather than anger them more. Which is why I get concerned.

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1705293858194469053?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[paper cedar]

Did he insult them?

What did he say

[unreal path]

idk saw this reported by a few accounts and was wondering if anyone else had heard or even know what he apparently said

[paper cedar]

I'm polish and I can't confirm what he said even though it is directed at me

Ok but joking aside I can't seem to find anything either

The only thing I found is "politics theatre"

hmm looking though polish articles and I found this text "some of our friends in Europe think they are playing off each other, but in fact they are helping to set the stage for an actor from Moscow"

translated from polish ^

[subtle wyvern]

there is an election next month in Poland, no? PIS might be just trying to get more votes

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/reshetz/status/1705475096595272005?t=RRtVoCSxsCyp_Sl5caWo0g&s=19

Mira of Kyiv 🇺🇦 (@reshetz)

Explosions in Sevastopol third morning in a row

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Twitter · Sep 23, 2023, 6:52 AM

[grand pier]

to provide context on the whole poland ukraine having beef stuff.

1. Poland didnt say they wouldnt send any weapons ever anymore, just wont send any new ones any time soon, anything that was promised before is still being delivered. This is mostly cause it seems poland has run out of surplus to send
2. the supposed saying of "be careful helping a drowning man, he might drag you down" seems to have been a mistranslation of a polish saying that means something more akin to, be careful to not help others at too great a cost for yourself.
3. the ministers of foreign affairs of both countries have already had a talk together and the result of that is a statement that they will work towards solving the issue with grain transports flooding the polish market with cheap grain pushing out polish farmers

on has to also indeed take into account polish elections are very soon and PiS is just trying to maintain the vote of the farmers

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1705552597539815651?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

So not even China?

[unreal path]

Ah okay that makes a lot more sense

Thank you for the added context

[paper cedar]

o alright, dziekuje za informacje (thank you for the info) :)

[grand pier]

Thank the dutch national news for providing proper news with context and experts providing that context :P

https://nos.nl/artikel/2491455-gemor-over-steun-aan-oekraine-neemt-toe-maar-heeft-niet-de-overhand

and the translated version: https://nos-nl.translate.goog/artikel/2491455-gemor-over-steun-aan-oekraine-neemt-toe-maar-heeft-niet-de-overhand?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true

[fast cradle]

Doesn't look translated.

[paper cedar]

It is translated on the website itself

[nocturne osprey]

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1705403533145546789?t=aKqbtpCuP1Ti1Cy9Wg-WJA&s=19

OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical)

We were incredibly lucky to have a pass by a satellite mere hours after the Ukrainian Storm Shadow/SCALP strike on the Russian Black Sea Fleet headquarters.

I have matched up available ground imagery with that satellite pass.

TLDR: The building isn't looking great.

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Twitter · Sep 23, 2023, 2:07 AM

[lilac sparrow]

mr putin there was a second missile

[wicked panther]

Gemor is such a dutch word

[limber wagon]

Ima be real, this is probably the first time I've ever seen that word

[wicked panther]

Morren means muttering

[viral junco]

they mainly get coal from china

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/DefenceU/status/1706014594836086945?s=20

[unreal path]

https://vxtwitter.com/bnonews/status/1706732941030629701?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[copper monolith]

lmao

[copper monolith]

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1706714589625249847?s=20

Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en)

Russian soldiers raped women aged 19 to 83 in Kherson region, placing relatives nearby so they could hear the screams, UN Commission says.

According to the head of the independent international commission of inquiry into violations in Ukraine, Erik Møse, in some cases torture…

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Twitter · Sep 26, 2023, 4:57 PM

"Ukraine should trade land for peace" - some fucking idiots

[fast cradle]

Do they really think Russia would be happy with getting Donetsk and Luhansk?

They obviously just want the whole country.

Also, Donetsk is too important of an industry centre for Ukraine for them to willingly give it up.

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/wartranslated/status/1707304357920682361?s=20

[subtle wyvern]

new ways to approach children
why not leave Ukraine, you asshole occupiers

[limber jolt]

"patriotism classes"

[unreal path]

https://youtu.be/EJa303j2RSc?si=Gm6tvYJ6zgt1x5wB

[copper monolith]

lmao

[subtle wyvern]

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1707654173125214341 wuh

ChrisO_wiki (@ChrisO_wiki)

1/ Police in the occupied part of the Kherson region have reportedly confiscated 38 blocks of explosive reactive armour from a farmer who was using them to cook food for his livestock. ⬇️

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Twitter · Sep 29, 2023, 7:10 AM

[copper monolith]

omg

[fast cradle]

Lia Radiological Incident vibes.

[limber jolt]

LMFAO

[lilac sparrow]

Why is Ukraine quickly becoming the Florida of Europe

“Local farmer steals 38 plates of explosive armor and uses one as a frying pan” could easily be a Florida headline

[limber jolt]

Dude this is all of Eastern Europe already

Have you seen the things that already go on in Russia

Pretty sure I have heard crazy stories about Florida Man level things in Poland too

[subtle wyvern]

Yeah you get crazy and weird stories in Lithuania too

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1708278991814033810?s=20

[fast cradle]

A dude named McCarthy fighting against Russia. Sounds familiar. /j

I just had to make that joke. As I keep getting the two dudes mixed up. As they have the same name.

Wonder how long it will take for this invasion to end.

[wide bramble]

There are three ways I could see the war end.
A: Russia somehow manages to take over Ukraine which is very unlikely tbh

B: Ukraine pushes Russia out completely and takes back all occupied territories.

C: Putin dies of either natural causes or is assassinated

A combination of B and C is also a way it could end

[fast cradle]

The Russian and French flags are way too similar.

[tired scaffold]

eh, not really

France is vertical

[limber wagon]

European flags, as a rule of thumb, are generally stupid and boring as hell

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/bnonews/status/1708320126867525753?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[copper monolith]

Cringe

[subtle wyvern]

Shit

Well they were predicted to win

Honestly fear the same is going to happen in Lithuania

[unreal path]

I wonder if Russia is doing its classic election interference

[subtle wyvern]

in slovakias case, from what I know is that the pro-russia party is spreading misinfo and propaganda

in lithuanias case it's the good old hate for TSLKD (pro eu conservative party) and liberal parties

socdems most likely win this time, which would be fine to me if they weren't so outdated (feels like they are stuck in the last century)

and of course the whole slew of right wing parties and populist parties (which are also right wing)

[unreal galleon]

reaction by 'iSlovakProductions': https://twitter.com/MountainGenera/status/1708368722191155635

Mountain Ğeneral (@MountainGenera)

“Sir the results are in! Smer won!”

“Well… There’s nothing we can do..” (me waiting to coup Slovakia)

Twitter · Oct 1, 2023, 6:30 AM

[fast cradle]

Hey, some have nice colour combinations.

But that's about it.

[subtle wyvern]

and then there is the Lithuanian flag which you could mix with an African country flag

at least we also have the coat of arms Vytis

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1708114180015038684?t=Ygs6bi_E0yk-WK8yg-6vrA&s=19

[tight acorn]

Moscow is not Russia 🌛

[wicked panther]

The thing is, unless there is some form of movement either by the west or by victories in ukraine, time IS on russias size

[unreal galleon]

https://youtu.be/nVLuGZ3Av9s

[lilac sparrow]

I genuinely do not think that Russia will ever succeed in this conflict, if the EU and US pull out their support, the Russians will still have to deal with a determined force. they would eventually push all the way into the territories they have claims on, however its the brokering of peace that will be the difficult challenge. they can easily put in a new government to oversee the new additions to their nation, however this will only result in what we saw in Afghanistan. Ukraine is pushing for victories in the early part of the war in order to secure better peace deals later on.

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1708466663518286072?s=20

lol

[unreal galleon]

I don't think the facepaint works, it makes them look too much like clowns (no offence if it was ever a problem)

[copper monolith]

you're right

(most face painted flags look like that)

(japanese flag would literally just give u a red nose like an actual clown)

[unreal galleon]

okay I'm sceptical people would actually do that

[unreal path]

https://youtu.be/ty121vwRE44?si=LqETqcdhi3cxMVW7

[fleet ember]

Azerbaijan’s occupied Armenian territory from their current bout of skirmishes

This is fucking disgusting and implies a situation resembling the Sudetenland for Armenia soon

[lilac sparrow]

abandoning Ukraine would be one of the greatest mistakes of the US

[fleet ember]

Many people seemingly wouldn’t care unfortunately because they are parochial

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/visegrad24/status/1709213909142372495?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

Based Armenia

[subtle wyvern]

What CSTO doing?
absolute nothing

[fleet ember]

The CSTO is a joke

[subtle wyvern]

Depending how you spell it, CSTO gonna CeaSe TO exist
ok that was bad

[copper monolith]

lmao

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/P_Kallioniemi/status/1674360288445964288?t=dieJJD4HgnfRLiuUsDfvdA&s=19
This thread has been blowing up recently because apparently Elmo is removing people's likes on it and many people (including me lol) had noticed it, so now it's a Streisand effect happening and it's quickly approaching 200k likes (I've liked this post 3 times today now)

Pekka Kallioniemi (@P_Kallioniemi)

In today's #vatniksoup, I'll introduce a South African-American(!) businessman and social media figure, Elon Musk (@elonmusk). He's best-known for being the wealthiest man in the world, running Tesla Inc., SpaceX & Twitter, and for parroting Kremlin's propaganda narratives.

1/24

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Twitter · Jun 29, 2023, 10:12 AM

[buoyant sundial]

Elmo?

[lilac sparrow]

elon musk I think

[copper monolith]

Ppl like to call him that

[fleet ember]

Lmao

[fossil horizon]

Elmu

[subtle wyvern]

cant look at the whole thread, he is basically a collaborator yeah?

[fast cradle]

Not sure why, Elmo doesn't deserve such an insult.

[copper monolith]

yeah, spreading kremlin shit and stuff

[grand pier]

i prefer to call him muskywusky cause that way the name invokes as much cringe as the person does

[limber wagon]

Same

Mr musky wusky

[subtle wyvern]

elongated muskrat

[fast cradle]

Again, Muskrats don't deserve to be insulted that much.

[stable girder]

Another INSANELY based qoute from a russian in the NHL

[marsh marsh]

I think in a certain sense it could be said Russia is committing ethnic cleansing on itself by drafting overwhelmingly people from it's eastern region, who are not Caucasian

A similar trick was employed by Argentina in the Paraguay's war in which they sent all their black people unarmed to die against Paraguayan troops

[subtle wyvern]

Russia has always done that, probably from when it was still Tsarist Russia

[copper monolith]

Been saying this for over a year lol

[marsh marsh]

Crazy I haven't seen the war being condemned by public figures from this angle too

A bit frustrating, though, is that my country refuses to condemn Russia too hard, we insist in being neutral on everything for some reason

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/pcgamer/status/1709892425005560300?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[subtle wyvern]

bruh

somehow I don't believe the hackers are gay or furry

[unreal path]

Maybe it's just a mistranslation maybe they meant Russian hackers

[copper monolith]

It's true I did it

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/maxseddon/status/1709984130207793279?s=20

[unreal galleon]

https://youtu.be/EID4EIRI674&t=9m28s

It's Putin understanding that a dead Prigozhin is a danger to Putin just like an alive Prigozhin is and we've spoken quite a bit about how Prigozhin isn't going to go away posthumously, actually, he is going to be both a puck in various kinds of conflicts on the Russians space but also generator of conflict in his own right, so Putin knows that and he wants to depoliticise Prigozhin's Legacy

[snow pecan]

Man, I’m an idiot and even I could come up with a better story than that I feel

[queen valley]

Or putin had a bomb planted inside it and is sowing the seeds of doubt if another group investigates the death and finds evidence

[unreal galleon]

yup, by claiming it was their own accident that caused it he attempts to make it seem that Prigozhin has no longer any political relevance - especially political relevance that would point at Putin targeting others

[copper monolith]

It's Putin's 71st bday today

Can it be his last pls I beg

[unreal galleon]

I'm not sure about the last birthday of his existence but maybe if the West supports Ukraine to the point of complete territorial integrity + Crimea within the next year then perhaps his last birthday as a man in a position of power?

[limber wagon]

My dad unironically shared this today

[copper monolith]

What the fuck

[limber wagon]

He is a certified conspiracy nut and pro russian

[copper monolith]

I want that man dead and his grave turned into a public toilet

[unreal galleon]

I mean this kind of stuff is exactly why dictators get themselves cremated but we'll see if we'll have control over that

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/wartranslated/status/1710576812479173056?t=3EXd6IIjXyyKim5U79afEA&s=19

[subtle wyvern]

So vatniks support Hamas who murdered civilians?
Fucking hell

[unreal galleon]

looks like they support any actions that cause escalation of conflict in the region, regardless of perpetrator

anything to lock out arms exports

[limber jolt]

I mean they’re also kinda aligning themselves with Iran who supports a lot of these groups iirc

[unreal galleon]

probably differentiate in their heads what 'support Iran' means vs 'support Palestine'

[gusty tendon]

im not surprised tbh

[fleet ember]

Is one terrorist organization helping another really surprising?

[subtle wyvern]

i mean it's not surprising, still pathetic

[subtle wyvern]

in hindsight I should have worded my initial reaction differently, wanted to make it clear how disgusting is to support murder of innocent civilians

[ebon creek]

Not related to Ukraine but I just got notified with this and it looks pretty important https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/07/world/israel-gaza-attack?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20231007&instance_id=104666&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=209618161&segment_id=146763&te=1&user_id=b368800d44be34be9dd1013c942439c0

[unreal galleon]

yeh, we just been talking about what some Russians on Telegram think it means for Israeli arms delivery to Ukraine

[ebon creek]

Ah

[copper monolith]

Happy 1 year to this https://fxtwitter.com/wartranslated/status/1710909246403936530?t=YY37hhF7jm-pfDWR2pQ0cA&s=19

[ebon creek]

I posted this in film tv and videos already but I got this really weird ad a few minutes ago. It felt very shady so I didn’t click the link, but it looks like some kind of fearmongering propaganda. I assume it’s to capitalize on the conflict with Russia. It had an AI voice of Trump and he told everyone to buy gas masks because of a “code red” event that would happen in 48 hours

Anyway, I just wanted to put it out there that this exists and to be weary of it

Because, quite frankly, I have no idea what it’s on about

But it’s definitely a scam

[unreal galleon]

It had an AI voice of Trump
oh and they're positing this as actual words said by him?
I never considered what the real things people are doing with deepfakes are until now

[ebon creek]

Yeah

Fuckin freaky

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/P_Kallioniemi/status/1710898277174960328?s=20

[fleet ember]

https://vxtwitter.com/astraiaintel/status/1710981245574787559

Oh boy

[copper monolith]

Gonna doubt this until reports from mass media will appear, should take these kinds of takes with a big grain of salt from twitter users

[fast cradle]

Fun fact, I got that ad much more than 48 hours ago.

So, guess that disproves it immediately, lol.

[fleet ember]

The fog is coming

[subtle wyvern]

get ublock origin and never see ads like that

[ebon creek]

Lmaooo

[lament nova]

I was looking for the furry channel and ended up here. So much for my lack of anxiety today.

[subtle wyvern]

lol need a link to the furry channel?

or otherwise known as furry thread

[ebon creek]

How do you get this lost

[fast cradle]

"Russian Furry Hackers"

[ebon creek]

Oh

Okay yeah that makes more sense

I do remember that

[fast cradle]

I kid, that wouldn't make sense.

[ebon creek]

Oh

Lol

[copper monolith]

https://youtu.be/Se4YZjhoO_A?si=Q2Td5AFgl0NtiH1q

lmao

[fleet ember]

Z you say?

[snow pecan]

Concert you say?

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/ConspiracyBull1/status/1711840271523070152?s=20

[fast cradle]

https://fxtwitter.com/ConspiracyBull1/status/1678042720617525248?s=20

What? On multiple accounts. (Also, this account is so far-right, why are they defending Communist China, don't they hate "communism")

And using gay as an insult. Like a child.

[limber jolt]

What the fuck

Libertarian Party is already a joke lmao

[limber jolt]

Also calling any country/military group “animals” is dehumanizing and very very bad generally

[lament nova]

Is this the handy work of Hamas or the IDF.

[copper monolith]

IDF

[copper monolith]

https://youtu.be/z30j98DJAgE?si=z1LW4YpXrMO8zntP

[lament nova]

When is this footage even dated and were there military positions there.

[limber jolt]

afaik Hamas will put rocket launch sites and such next to civilian targets mainly so they can claim that the IDF is only targeting civilians, iirc Russia has used a similar tactic in Ukraine

basically using human shields

[fleet ember]

Abhorrent

And now they want Gaza’s citizens to remain with similar motives

[subtle wyvern]

Well, widespread bomb threats are being sent out in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia

In Lithuania the threats are written in Russian, so you can kinda guess who is doing this coordinated attack

[copper monolith]

uh oh

got any lithuanian news links for it?

[subtle wyvern]

https://www.lrt.lt/naujienos/lietuvoje/2/2099522/policijai-gavus-850-grasinimu-susprogdinti-istaigas-pozela-ragina-nepanikuoti-tai-yra-koordinuota-ataka

https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2099452/coordinated-attack-schools-in-lithuania-flooded-with-bomb-threats oh hey english source

[copper monolith]

thank you

I LOVE LIVING IN THESE TIMES

[gusty tendon]

man, threatening schools eh

[copper monolith]

weird thinking that my old school probably got that too, it started off as a russian gymnasium before being renamed into "kaunas international gymnasium" after the 2022 invasion started, so they'd probably get targeted too

[fossil horizon]

I was like "Wait I've seen a meme about that recently... and then I realized I've downloaded this image THREE YEARS AGO HELP I WANT THIS TO STOP😭

[copper monolith]

i remember this being posted a lot in 2020 lmao

[subtle wyvern]

man, my school/university years were calm in comparison to now

[fossil horizon]

My parents were like "university will be your best years. Parties, friends, relationships, lots of free time" and my life is like... "how about overwork, burnout, two years of isolation and existential dread?"

[subtle wyvern]

lol I wonder why they thought it like that

in uni I did try to join one of those student organisations that organised events and parties, but later quietly just forgot about them

[copper monolith]

i cant even talk about how those "best years" in uni were without breaking rule 4 lmao, but tl;dr things went to shit personally and world wide when I started it

[fossil horizon]

🫂

[wicked panther]

My uni years so far have been overwork and meeting some of the best people ever

Its a lot of stress and work learning all the science but being surrounded by nerds as big as me who are all as autistic quirky as me is great

[subtle wyvern]

i remember some modules were bullshit with their exams

[wicked panther]

Tbh knowing my own life it’ll probably all disappear and ill be left slightly more dead inside

[subtle wyvern]

nothing stopping from still keeping in touch with people you met in university

[fossil horizon]

I'm still super close with the few people I've managed to befriend before covid

With discord especially it's much easier than it used to be

[wicked panther]

Nah like i fuck up in some dumb social way and suddenly everyone hates me

[subtle wyvern]

all the people I met are mostly on facebook lol, and I refuse to use facebook so kinda sucks for me

[subtle wyvern]

well, is a chance of a bad interaction (that you can amend) better than never interacting?

but I understand, i'm terrible at keeping in contact with people so I guess im not that different lol

[wicked panther]

Nope

[fleet ember]

We are living in the equivalent of several people pointing guns at each others’ heads

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/Forbes/status/1712809176240439592?s=20

whatever u say vladik

[lament nova]

Is Russia trying to pick a fight with Israel or is this classic sabre rattling.

[subtle wyvern]

it's classic Russian double standards, where they denounce others for doing bad things, while their actions are totally justifiable and good

god I hate Putin

[fast cradle]

Wdym, they are just getting rid of nazis. Like those random tiny Nazis with high pitched voices and small statutes. Obviously they are the good guys. /s

Like, ugh, their "denazification" propaganda is so self-evidently stupid.

[lament nova]

I shouldn’t ruin my happiness worrying about these things right?

[subtle wyvern]

nah, that's just what Russia wants, to make you feel like everything is hopeless

[limber jolt]

I got full burnout halfway through my first semester of uni

my fall semesters are always just hell

[copper monolith]

Russia is besties with Iran, and Iran is the biggest supporter of Hamas, so unofficially Russia supports Hamas

Russian fake news farms have also been spreading shit that weapons and tech from Ukraine have been sold to Hamas in order to damage any support Ukraine gets

[lilac sparrow]

"Iran is the biggest supporter of Iran"
I know what you meant but i still found it funny

[copper monolith]

listen im very tired smh

[fleet ember]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1713347815131206048

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1713798175981715500?t=jNtYDn9O84X-OoEomTkNCQ&s=19

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1714178639753871852?t=VrTR_MoRjG_Afi4bEx4lIw&s=19

Oh yeah there was this big russian push on avdiivka and it failed horribly for them, over 1000 kia and a lot of equipment destroyed

Also a say late but (long tweet) https://fxtwitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1713840801300586711?t=Dt-MmJfqsaq55p7IOv315Q&s=19

[subtle wyvern]

Day 600 in the 3 day "special military operation"

Definitely is special

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1714197238333788269?t=sXajRb2wJbKUbBoR5s0HyA&s=19

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1714260023562682454?s=20

[copper monolith]

https://youtu.be/aHqNjbl_S5E?si=gOFgFxZ6Mw37S--y

[copper monolith]

👀

[copper monolith]

Still a pretty active war https://fxtwitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1715227691341824012?t=SE0D1BAfjYoEJsQPxaxmvA&s=19

[fleet ember]

Don’t forget 1 PMC

[unreal path]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/world/middleeast/turkey-nato-sweden.html

[copper monolith]

👁️

[unreal path]

Took him long enough

[fossil horizon]

I really fucking hope it goes through

I want Baltic to become NATO mare nostrum

[subtle wyvern]

Nato lake

[unreal path]

https://youtu.be/iJTSz9Ht91Q?si=jwD8-pE7lIRR5Y_8

I just thought Sweden could always just do what ever is enough for Turkey to let them in, and then reverse it right after XD

also according to this video, Hungary still has to approve Sweden too

[fleet ember]

Orban moment

[fleet ember]

Imagine shoveling more resources into a vain encirclement of a heavily fortified city over defending an important occupied area https://vxtwitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1718107927884517622

[viral junco]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/28/russia-punishes-soldiers-prison-camps-mutiny-threat/

[copper monolith]

returning to Stalinist times

[fleet ember]

Bro is trying to be stalin 2.0.

[fleet ember]

You’d think a superpower would defend strategically valuable territories rather than vainly push for new ones

[copper monolith]

So the pogroms(lite) happened yesterday in Dagestan

Instead of protesting that they're being the biggest cannon fodder of any area/ethnic group to be sent to Ukraine, they stormed an airport to search for Israeli citizens

[limber jolt]

I think this is a sign of things to come in Russia

also a sign that the region is fairly unstable if the authorities weren't able to keep that under control, or, more worryingly, they chose not to interfere for as long as they could

[limber jolt]

also, Russia really showing their true colors

"we're fighting nazis!" proceeds to have pogroms in your own country, not the one that you're claiming is run by nazis

[fleet ember]

Third chechen war 😳

[copper monolith]

(Longish post) https://fxtwitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1719615645745123835?t=NSCgruRIl5CGGNcRd26QTA&s=19

[limber wagon]

This information was published by the British tabloid The Sun.

[gusty tendon]

yeah that discredits the whole theory

[limber wagon]

Never forget

Quality journalism

[subtle wyvern]

you mean the s*n

[copper monolith]

Darn

Almost forgor it was them I should watch out for lol

[wicked panther]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67262610

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1721259478157303833?t=RDf-fBhV9wo27cgbMUkMvg&s=19

[copper monolith]

https://youtu.be/4t9A7OrCXRQ?si=mvPF4cv2OoJm303w

[copper monolith]

ooh?

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/Der_Parrot/status/1723056331521695877?s=20

[fleet ember]

Might Russia eventually lose hold of southwestern Kherson?

[dark tide]

Real talk, when / how do you all see this war actually ending? I’m really starting to believe that both sides are far too entrenched for any major breakthroughs to occur (barring some sudden outside force intervening), and the waste of lives over the past year is quite saddening, and very reminiscent the western front of ww1.

Personally, I think the current frontlines are roughly how this conflict will end, but hopefully that can mean a quick ascension to NATO for Ukraine

[limber jolt]

this map isn't entirely accurate anymore and is focusing on one section of the front

most recently iirc the Ukrainians have crossed the Dnipro and are beginning to advance Southward

it is currently a war of attrition

the question is how long this attrition phase will last

I don't see it being the kind of indefinite stalemate most of ww1 was

even though right now that is exactly what it is

[gusty tendon]

periods of attrition never last the entirety of a war

[limber jolt]

the issue is that if the war ends like this, Russia will simply use the opportunity to regroup and attack again at some point in the future

because there'd be nothing stopping them from doing that unless Ukraine joins NATO which they will not accept

[dark tide]

I just don't see the situation changing at all because it doesn't seem like any side has an ace up their sleeves at the moment. Especially with the lack of air superiority from either side

As for crossing the Dnipro there hasn't been a solid enough crossing yet to really support large offenses. They've turned some parts into contested beachheads, but nothing substantial enough to gather forces for a proper assault

[limber jolt]

this stuff takes time

the thing I want to stress is that wars are slow

the liberation of large portions of the Kharkiv region was itself kinda a fluke honestly

lots of very good luck and incredibly incompetent decisions that the Russians made, which they have since at least somewhat learned from

and the lines that exist now are pretty well entrenched

[unreal galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRF9FJbeD50

[grand pier]

Ukraine will get f16's next year, that might just be enough to flip the air superiority, currently pilots are in training, somewhere late spring next year the first fighters should be deployable to support a new summer offensive for Ukraine

[dark tide]

Even with the F-16s, I worry that the Russians have had ample time and warning to setup anti-air systems in the southern regions where attacks are likely. Additionally, the largest number of combat F-16s I’ve seen is 24, which is sizable but I don’t know if it will be enough to completely break the stalemate, just enough for a minor breakthrough where it will be seen if it can be successfully held. The rest of the f-16s donated are supposed to go to air training purposes. Hopefully the planes will be enough to establish a presence across the Dnipro but I’m not exactly holding my breath at the moment

[fleet ember]

DPR lost some territory

[fleet ember]

North Korea’s munitions are sucky https://vxtwitter.com/Tendar/status/1725821663273472476

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/Adhi_Sekar/status/1726244906816221417?s=20

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/reshetz/status/1726896908986376481?t=buxTumBUZaBRjvYehWUQeA&s=19

[fleet ember]

More territory chipped off the DPR

Minor gains were also made in southwest Luhansk

[copper monolith]

nice

[fast cradle]

I always wondered, how does one define territory losses and gains during war? Like, you take a city, but how much land is considered gained?

As you also gain area outside of the city. Which implies a sort of circle which extends outward. But at some point it would intersect with the territorial circle of another settlement. Which leaves the question of where one ends and the other begins.

It always confused me.

Even more hard to define when it is about unsettled territory.

[fleet ember]

Those gray zones are holdings ambiguous amongst both sides but all boundaries should be considered nebulous

[fleet ember]

That causes stuff like this

The AFU sometimes reestablishes a presence over a small plot of land that isn’t elaborated upon

[subtle wyvern]

As reported, on November 19, Ukraine struck the location where a concert was held in honor of the ceremonial awarding of the 810th brigade of the Russian marines, in the Donetsk region. As claimed 25 Russians were killed. It’s also reported that Polina Menshih who performed for Russian soldiers was also killed during the event.
I was going to post the twitter link but it had NSFW pictures

[limber jolt]

This was not during the concert was it?

Because striking a concert like this, even a military one, doesn’t sit super well with me personally

[lilac sparrow]

they did strike during the concert

which is very messed up

"A Russian actress has been killed in a Ukrainian attack while performing to Russian troops in a Russian-controlled area of eastern Ukraine, according to her theatre."

25 russians killed, 100+ claimed to be wounded

[subtle wyvern]

Yeah it was

[subtle wyvern]

To be fair, they decided to make a concert in an active war zone for active russian soldiers in occupied Ukraines land.

I sound cold, but like, they are invading a sovereign country and dare to make a concert for invading soldiers on land that is not yours

[fleet ember]

Indeed

Why is a Putinist wave sweeping Europe?

[limber wagon]

;-;

[subtle wyvern]

got voted in with anti-immigration policy, while the pro-putin stance is a minor part of it?

idk how else they would have been voted in

i fear lithuania is going to elect some pro-russian populists (again), but most likely the soc dems will win which aren't that bad, just full of dinosaurs (not the cool dinos)

[lilac sparrow]

It was essentially a strike to pad some Ukrainian officer's chest. This concert was held to help boost what little morale the soldiers had, and in the end it killed a civilian singer. It would be easy for Russia to use this to their advantage, I have no idea what Russian news is currently broadcasting, but if they are not grieving for days for their beloved actress and singer, then they are doing something wrong.

[subtle wyvern]

it is a literal war zone, and these were combatants. You have to be stupid to perform a concert in occupied land

idk how the civilian singer thought it was a good idea to go there

like, shit, are we going to mourn this one singer who decided to go to a war zone to cheer up invaders, the same invaders who killed Ukrainian civilians?

fuck, Russia is committing genocide on Ukrainians and I'm supposed to think a death of this one singer who decided to cheer up these invaders is somehow messed up?

Give me a break

[fossil horizon]

dude

wtf

death of civilians is always messed up. Death in general is always messed up

the fact that russians are trying to genocide Ukraine doesn't mean that all act against them is justified

it is understandable yes we can and should relate to desperate Ukrainians defending their homes but we should not justify war crimes and killings of civilians

The morality aside it also gives russia and pro-russians propaganda ammunition to undermine support for Ukraine

it's useless, immoral and counter-productive

[subtle wyvern]

im sorry, but the target wasn't the singer, it was the brigade that decided to have a little concert

you know what, let's not continue this topic

[lilac sparrow]

the target was the 100+ persons that had to attend a probably mandatory concert, it was a huge waste of human life for a simple OER

[subtle wyvern]

like I said, lets not continue this

[lilac sparrow]

i understand that its a war that ought to reserve no remorse of sympathy, but at the end of the day these are more than likely conscripts, people that were more than likely at home half a year ago, this aint their war and a himar strike on them is nothing but an afront to humanity.

[subtle wyvern]

look, I would elaborate more on my stance, but I don't think continuing this topic is good
ill stop it here now

[limber jolt]

while yes, this is true, we must be extremely hesitant to use this sort of justification for things

I personally believe that even while your intentions are good, in any major conflict like this it is an extremely slippery slope

just reading now that you guys agreed to stop the conversation, so I guess disregard this? lol

point I'd make is that the morality of wars is something that can be endlessly debated and there are some situations where I don't think there even is a good right or wrong answer because any way you put it acts are being committed that are wrong and tragic, war is kinda where morality goes to die

or rather, war is where many common standards of morality tend to break down

backreading further... yeah this was going nowhere productive and I'm sorry for continuing it before reading further

[graceful canyon]

I feel like this article is not true, yes Geert Wilders is an awfull scumbag and he also wants to stop any military stuff going to ukraine. But i don't think he ever said things like "russia is not an enemy" and "vladimir putin is an ally" (at least not after the war broke out). He just wants to keep all of the military stuff going to ukraine in the netherlands. I don't think he has publicly said he is pro-russia in the war, that sounds more like another dutch politician

I have looked some stuff up, i think this article is taking stuff he said from 2017

Also the part where it says he is going to visit russia next year

He did said that in 2017, and visited in 2018

So he did say all of this, but in 2017 not recently

[copper monolith]

Longish tweet
https://fxtwitter.com/DefenceU/status/1728382975832625619?t=Ec-Wo4MMwRvRwxb6d-CGLA&s=19

[grand pier]

PVV was voted in on their migration policy and the fact they are actually economically a left wing party, so they had the vote of the people worrying about the rising cost of living as well since the PVV essentially has a pure left agenda in that regard

they just differ on how they plan to fund the social securities

also as far as i know the only pro-russia party the NL has left is FvD and those are just straight up mask off facists (who somehow still got about 260k votes 🤮 )

Wilders used to be on Putin's side but flipped after the invasion started

[grand pier]

to elaborate on this, the way they plan to fund their plans is budget cut on climate protection measures, change the rules for social security to exclude immigrants for longer (heard 10 years somewhere), Cut back on grants for develloping countries, cut back the money that is paid to the EU. Ideally he'd also do a Nexit but there is no one else that supports it so no chance at that ever happening

As for the Ukraine support, his reasoning is basically, we have given enough, we need to keep our own military well equipped, we can not give anymore and wont make empty promises we cant actually fulfill

[limber jolt]

to be fair about that last part I prefer that over the alternative of making big promises and then just not delivering, at least it's more honest

[subtle wyvern]

tbf both are bad and neither is better than the other, because in either case Ukraine isn't getting equipment

[dark tide]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gvAyykRvPBo&pp=ygUTMjAgZGF5cyBpbiBtYXJpdXBvbA%3D%3D highly recommended watch

[limber jolt]

True but in general it’s better to be honest than to lie about it

[fleet ember]

👀

Home stretch to Novoprokopivka?

[clear creek]

oh fuck ugh Dan and the mods are closing all threads so we might have to migrate to a forum post instead

(it could be i read the patchnotes wrong but thats how it sounds)

[lilac sparrow]

Gone, reduced to atoms

[lilac sparrow]

I’ll miss this thread

[fossil horizon]

what

[clear creek]

#announcements

[subtle wyvern]

https://fxtwitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1729060117235028273

[subtle wyvern]

on a side note, I know I said I don't want to talk about this topic, but it's been 3 days and it's gnawing me from the inside
like, I wanted to apologize for the lack of empathy I've shown with my responses. That's completely out of place for me and I should have been better than that. I'm honestly disappointed in myself with my reaction.
so again I wanted to apologize for what I said

[limber jolt]

It’s alright, in conflicts like this people can get riled up for lack of a better term without even realizing it if that makes sense? I don’t mean to insult you with that, this is something that I know I have been guilty of before too

[subtle wyvern]

yeah it makes sense

[gusty tendon]

i believe every individual regular soldier should be given more or less the same degree of sympathy, as the majority of the time theyre just people making due in a terrible situation
what can change a lot is the cause they’re fighting for, imperialism isn’t justified and deserves all the hate its gotten and more

[keen sorrel]

the_ukraine_situation

[copper monolith]

Nice

[limber wagon]

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-11-28/lisbon-should-be-russian-says-kremlin-propagandist/83689

Wha?

[gusty tendon]

bruh what

how

[subtle wyvern]

high on krokodil?

[limber wagon]

apparently because it never has been?

[gusty tendon]

???

ok seems legit

[limber wagon]

Yeah, I'm convinced. I say we just hand it over to them

[fossil horizon]

Since the Crimean bridge is getting wrecked they want to secure the 2nd longest bridge in europe obviously

[fleet ember]

https://vxtwitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1729908114177056820

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/meduza_en/status/1730199495982358808?s=20

can no longer be gay 😔

[fleet ember]

https://vxtwitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1730130462142599538

[copper monolith]

One war criminal to the other

[fast cradle]

Gross

And no, he didn't just follow foreign policy, he actively changed it to make what he did legally acceptable.

[wicked panther]

Henry Kissinger aka the guy that destroyed the economy of many stable democratic south american countries so the us could implant dictators and suck the country dry of resources

[subtle wyvern]

didn't the fucker initially suggest Ukraine to make peace deals with Russia?

is this an appropriate use of RIP bozo?

[tired scaffold]

it absolutely is

[keen sorrel]

Talk about it here. Stick to facts and please provide sources.

[dull crane]

Ukraine

[copper monolith]

one of the things to follow things https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795

[dull crane]

https://twitter.com/ww32022/status/1496873264949383168?s=21

no embeds

[cerulean canyon]

Thank you, Jim!

[copper monolith]

twitter embeds are kinda broken

[dull crane]

hm

[cerulean canyon]

https://twitter.com/NikaMelkozerova/status/1496857766354472960?s=20&t=r83Yy-952OEUmeeGWaBWOQ

Nika Melkozerova (@NikaMelkozerova)

Russians breached Ukrainian border from Belarus in Chornobyl. The National Guard of Ukraine, which guards the storage of unsafe radioactive waste in Chornobyl, is fiercely resisting. "If the occupiers' artillery strikes hit the nuclear waste storage, radioactive dust covers EU!

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Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 2:41 PM

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/WW32022/status/1496873264949383168?s=20&t=BGhKdKWHb2u7S62HyDBhfA

WORLD WAR 3 - RUSSIA vs Ukraine #2022 (@WW32022)

The first hint of an anti-war movement in Russia, in Vladimir Putin's hometown.

#Russia #Ukraine #StPetersburg #PetersBurg #SaintPetersburg #Putin #VladimirPutin https://t.co/nuaXHCCBlr

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Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 3:42 PM

ok

[dull crane]

Be careful when looking through Twitter

[cerulean canyon]

Absolutely

[dull crane]

There are some videos on there

[haughty yew]

I hate that it’s calling this world war 3

I don’t want to go there yet

[dull crane]

that I wish I hadn’t seen

[silk iron]

it isn't WW3 yet, but it has broken long lasting peace in Europe

[civic harness]

hate the government not the russian people

[copper monolith]

also huh wow, I hope those protests are an actual thing, cuz people were getting arrested earlier for protesting against the war

[solid adder]

yo

[copper monolith]

[solid adder]

🇺🇦 🇺🇦 🇺🇦

[loud olive]

Yeah, there are protests happening at the Embassy in the Netherlands to try to raise awareness, some of my friends in the Hague are doing it

[hollow hollow]

yikes

[dull crane]

Welp

[buoyant sundial]

Ok so… Anyone remember what happened with Austria at the beginning of WWII?

[solid adder]

yes I remember

[silk iron]

Anschluss

[civic harness]

now more then ever media literacy is important. russia will try and spread misinformation

[hollow hollow]

heard there’s protests at the russian embassy in dc too

[solid adder]

I was there

[copper monolith]

yeah but those protests are outside of russia, the protests in russia are hard to do

[buoyant sundial]

Also doesn’t it seem like Russia is taking over territory that was previously in the ussr

[silk iron]

So since the war with Ukraine is unjustified , it's difficult for Putin to convince the Russian peoples that it's a legitimate war - particularly when the economy is nose diving with sanctions being put in place

As more and more injured soldiers return from the frontlines

war weariness will only increase further

[lofty heart]

I'm pretty sure Russia wanting to return to a ussr state has been known about for a while

Correct me if I'm wrong

[hollow hollow]

someone’s giving sputnik a taste of their own medicine lmao https://twitter.com/oalexanderdk/status/1496872978088292354?s=21

[faint dew]

It's going to get suppressed pretty quick probably. That's just how reality of Russian civil movement is. Maybe they will let them do it for a bit, but doubt it will get anywhere.

[loud olive]

oh yeah yeah, I mean, protests in Russia have always been hard to do... but now especially

[dull crane]

People are talking about the planes over Taiwan, but apparently this is daily occurrence

[split aurora]

the Russian stock market has dropped about 55%

since this started

[silk iron]

@lofty heart Putin as openly stated his long term ambitions reforming greater Russia since he first become President in early 2000s.

[solid adder]

buy the dip

[lofty heart]

Ok yeah

[split aurora]

it shows no sign of slowing

[buoyant sundial]

Doesn’t “Sputnik” literally mean “peace”

[faint dew]

Well, you would be surprised how inert Russians can be. Also, for thous who dont use other media then Russian the situation can look very one sided, and not leaning towards west

[dull crane]

Stock buyers rn be like “yes, finally. This war is great for my personal gain”

[copper monolith]

satellite

[faint dew]

No, it means "Satellite"

[buoyant sundial]

Ah ok

[civic harness]

i thought rusia just wanted to control ukraine bc the post important ports for russia are located through the black sea.

[copper monolith]

"mir" is "peace"

[solid adder]

I mean yeah I've seen some people do that on twitter

[hollow hollow]

i use it to refer to russia and their sympathizers

[lofty heart]

It's part of it but it's also related to ussr restoration

[silk iron]

@faint dew perfectly understandable, Russia is very capable in the disinformation and narrative spinning department - but even they're struggling to convince the Russian people now

[buoyant sundial]

Right. Which was the name of the Russian space station not satellite. Ok, was confused.

[dull crane]

Wonder what Biden is going to say today

[solid adder]

thoughts and prayers

[soft surge]

when are the sanctions gonna be announced?

[civic harness]

nothing coming from the kremlin isnt credible

[civic harness]

today

[faint dew]

That was mostly "solved" by taking over Crim. Right now it's more of sphere of influence and deterrent

[silk iron]

12:30 biden speech i think

[haughty yew]

Yup

[civic harness]

jesus i cant imagine the sanctions

[cerulean canyon]

Same

[dull crane]

Yeah it’s at 1:30

here

[civic harness]

what sanctions do you think are gonna be put in place?

[buoyant sundial]

Possibly related: the territory in Ukraine was once part of the USSR i am pretty sure.

[faint dew]

I mean, as any other government with decently sized media department

[cerulean canyon]

It's at 1230 ET, so 1030 mountain Arizona time and 930 pacific I think?

[civic harness]

russia's economy highly depends on selling and exporting gas and oil

[dull crane]

Yeah, it seems like a lot of police people are being sent to stop protests from forming

[faint dew]

Also, to add to "Injured coming back home" - i dont think it's going to be that much of an impact. Gone days of 10s of thousands troops in the single battle

[silk iron]

@buoyant sundial Ukraine was a soviet republic in the soviet union yes, and was part of greater Russia back the late 1700s IIRC

[buoyant sundial]

Err

[faint dew]

As with any protest. Russian cops have good amount of experience in suppressing civil unrest

[buoyant sundial]

Wasn’t Poland also part of Germany at one point…

[silk iron]

Prussia

[buoyant sundial]

Before wwii

[dull crane]

erm

[cerulean canyon]

?

Lmao

[split aurora]

warsaw pact

[dull crane]

https://twitter.com/coalition_nsk/status/1496841602597367815?s=21

Technical difficulties

[faint dew]

No embeds for you

[dull crane]

It’s a video of a protest

[vocal wren]

please remember that this is a real event happening to real people. Please be respectful, don't post memes or jokes, and please do not spread any misinformation. Sources are always good and appreciated.

Below are a list of trusted sources during this conflict.

[buoyant sundial]

The Sudetenland.

[dull crane]

Pretty large turnout

[cerulean canyon]

Thank you for this

[silk iron]

Poland was part of Prussia then the North German Federation then the second german reich. But that's a very long time ago and irrel to this discussion

[civic harness]

when people kepe saying "my gaming skills are gonna be tested" its very out of taste

[cerulean canyon]

Ew

[vocal wren]

Yeah, don't say that

[civic harness]

for the most part most young americans fell that they dont belong in this war

[buoyant sundial]

Yeah hopefully people realize they don’t respawn…

[vocal wren]

I would say most young people dont

[silk iron]

I would assume most people in America have a non-interventionist attitude following the failures of the war on terror

[faint dew]

This
A lot of young people with education here really dont want to do anything with this.

[silk iron]

In Europe we can't afford an apathetic attitude since Russia is on the EU's doorstep

[hollow hollow]

remember: don’t advertise ukrainian positions on social media, but feel free to tell everyone where sputnik is camped out

[faint dew]

We had way too many wars in the past century, it's time for a god damt break

[cerulean canyon]

Heres the link for Bidens address today. You can set a reminder so you can tune in when it happens
https://youtu.be/lyrvIYWsK_E

[solid adder]

lol the like ratio

[dull crane]

https://youtu.be/xDeQVaoTvJM

The name of their anthem strikes something in me

[buoyant sundial]

In terms of the killing of innocent people, I have a very interventionist attitude. If I can do something to prevent that stuff from happening, I will.

[cerulean canyon]

Same.

[dull crane]

It’s always lovely when “nuclear” is trending on Twitter

[opal cloak]

bruh

[buoyant sundial]

[silk iron]

hopefully they're learning about nuclear power and atomic physics!

[civic harness]

i think nuclear is a the very last option russia will think off

[buoyant sundial]

There’s a reason they call it “the nuclear option”

[silk iron]

it's due to Russian troops pushing through Chernobyl and a possible damage to radioactive waste storage

[faint dew]

Nukes will be end for everyone

[opal cloak]

finally the first world war not caused by germany

[lofty heart]

Poor taste

[cerulean canyon]

I think nuclear is unfortunately the first thing that people's minds jump to when it comes to war, so it makes sense why it's trending, especially since Russia is involved

[dull crane]

It’s because Putin said something about “consequences that have never been seen before” in a speech

[hollow hollow]

there isn’t going to be a world war unless putin is stupid enoughto attack nato

[silk iron]

and hence a radiation leak... (probably of low- or medium risk waste)

[cerulean canyon]

Poor taste indeed

[buoyant sundial]

What the fuck this scares me

[silk iron]

It's extremely unlikely Putin would attack NATO when he hasn't even finished conquering/subjugating Ukraine

[opal cloak]

if im correct he wants to reform the soviet union or some shit

[cerulean canyon]

Post link to this

[faint dew]

People also clearly dont understand that there will be trully no winners in nuclear war, only ash

[cerulean canyon]

Sources, sources, sources

[buoyant sundial]

…Well shit.

[dull crane]

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1496869561039208452?s=21

The New York Times (@nytimes)

President Vladimir Putin threatened “consequences you have never faced in your history” for “anyone who tries to interfere with us.” His speech, intended to justify the invasion of Ukraine, seemed to come close to threatening nuclear war. https://t.co/98DJWNFYOo https://t.co/AEUXpmJ2Uy

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Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 3:28 PM

[cerulean canyon]

Oh no I think people understand that

[opal cloak]

now to report r/communism

[cerulean canyon]

I think people understand that very well.

[opal cloak]

wtf

[silk iron]

in the hypothetical scenario where Russia's forces succeed and fully occupy Ukraine - they will be will be tied down for years supressing resistance is west Ukraine

[buoyant sundial]

Oh no are we looking at the return of True McCarthyism

[opal cloak]

like seriously what the fuck

[faint dew]

Then this is just insanity. Surely any life is better than ash and void for everyone.

[opal cloak]

yep in the hypothetical scenario

[silk iron]

put simply - "there's not much point in an imperialist expansionists mind of conquering nuclear wasteland"

[opal cloak]

yeah

[cerulean canyon]

[opal cloak]

honestly Putin is a douchebag

[silk iron]

if there are no people left to conquer in the land you take - have you really conquered?

[faint dew]

I highly doubt it's going to but full occupation. Russian military dont seem to stay in civil centres it get't to, instead just pushing forward. Probalby going to bounce back after some strategic goal are met

[opal cloak]

exactly

[silk iron]

from what i can see the two most likely scenarios the war unfolds are the following:

[opal cloak]

and no you didn't conquer it cause then its just a fucking wasteland

[buoyant sundial]

Conquering is BS. I prefer true exploration. Meeting new civilizations. Setting up trade. Exchanging culture. Alas, we live in the 21st century…

[opal cloak]

yep

[buoyant sundial]

The worst time possible for exploration

[opal cloak]

now everyones just like war this war that

[silk iron]

well that's the discovery era and early colonisation

[opal cloak]

yeah

[buoyant sundial]

“Born too late to explore the world. Born too early to explore Space. Born just in time to explore Dank Memes.”

[silk iron]

before colonialism took a new meaning

[faint dew]

Well, for that we all will have to lay down arms, erase borders in principle (cause we are, after all, humans), and set our eyes to the sky
Alas, i can dream...

[copper monolith]

ooh, watching the BBC broadcast and they showed large crowds still protesting in some russian city

[opal cloak]

most shit has already been explored

[opal cloak]

good

[cerulean canyon]

Excellent!

[opal cloak]

those people should protest him

putin is an ass

[haughty yew]

This is good, not everyone agrees with Putin

[buoyant sundial]

I mean… Arms are needed for self defense. Being on your guard (just in case) is a good idea.

[opal cloak]

i'm in the U.S.

[buoyant sundial]

Me too

[cerulean canyon]

Same

[silk iron]

this is why any budding imperialist needs a valid Cassus Belli

very few believe Putin disinfo

[opal cloak]

honestly if someone killed Putin no one would give a shit

[silk iron]

it might be his own undoing

[tired scaffold]

This is the Daily Fail, so grain of salt-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10546799/More-150-senior-Russian-officials-sign-open-letter-condemning-Putins-invasion-Ukraine.html

[silk iron]

yh assassination attempts on Putin might make the guy even more paranoid and delusional - not a good idea

[opal cloak]

oh yeah

[silk iron]

sure it would destabilise Russia if it succeeded and perhaps put a halt to Russia's warmongering

if it fails tho the risk of nuclear war and escalation is just too high imo

[opal cloak]

yeah

[silk iron]

regardless of your attitudes when it comes to the greater good on cold blooded murder of cold blooded murderers

[opal cloak]

words that summarize Putin: stupid, megalomaniac, asshole .etc

[silk iron]

cunning ruthless

tyrannical

sadist

irredentist

revanchist

[shrewd cave]

gone mad with power

[buoyant sundial]

…”terrifyingly powerful due to position”

[opal cloak]

megalomaniac:a person who is obsessed with their own power.

[shrewd cave]

oh my bad

[cerulean canyon]

Another sageeeee

[opal cloak]

he wants to stay in office until hes dead

[buoyant sundial]

…

[opal cloak]

or what ever russia calls it

[silk iron]

Putin is not stupid by any means, you don't get to be President of Russia without knowing how to play the political intrigue game - but he's irrational for certain

[buoyant sundial]

OH OF COURSE

[cerulean canyon]

True

[opal cloak]

well yeah forgot about that

im at school

[silk iron]

and Putin seemed to be becoming increasingly detached from reality as he consolidated his power as defacto despot

[opal cloak]

so cya in like 40 minutes when i can get back on

[cerulean canyon]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely

[opal cloak]

exactly

[faint dew]

Protests are nice to see, but they are very conflicting for me
Sure, voicing opposition to how government is doing things you dont agree is good...
but

1. Thous are just fraction of people. Large masses are ether oblivious, disinterested or supportive of that.
2. Military and Police are still supporting the regime, so nothing will really change, since movment have no power
3. Political opposition dont exist in Russia. Even if there is enough people with dedication, there is no one to guide them. Force with no guidance is disaster
4. And thous who try often condemn them-self to their lives being ruined by prisons, isolation and often physical harm.
   All and all, i can not see myself to go out and "voice my opinion" without odds stacked in populous favour. Otherwise it's just martyrdom, which i am not a fan of.
   /went

[buoyant sundial]

Idea: “The People’s government”

[faint dew]

As for warmongering and all that, i really can't take that argument with straight face with US having pretty long list of "interventions" on their part as well, sorry.

[tired scaffold]

🤔

[cerulean canyon]

Protests are one of the ways that people can make waves and get their voices heard. We'll see protests start in Russia and they'll spread all over the world.

[silk iron]

@faint dew that's the safe decision m8, don't get embroiled in this yourself you don't want to be on the Russian police's list.

[faint dew]

Has it worked like that at least once in history? If yes, i am not aware of the occasion

[silk iron]

discretion is the best part of valour and all that

it has worked

but for every time it works, there are at least thrice which fail

[faint dew]

I mean, honest question here - give me at least one example

[cerulean canyon]

Vietnam war.

[silk iron]

you can read about classical liberalism and the age of enlightenment

[cerulean canyon]

The black lives matter movement

[silk iron]

the establishment of constitutional monarchies over absolutist monarchies in the 19th century across Europe post Napoleonic wars

[faint dew]

That's case that happened withing US, not when it happened outside and went in to different county elsewhere

[tired scaffold]

There are a decent number of protests that failed but in failing sparked open revolt

e.g. at the start of the French and American revolutions

[pure mirage]

I think he only means protests related to war

[faint dew]

Age of Revolutions? When i dont remember how many republics formed over like 20 years

[pure mirage]

Far as I'm concerned protests dont do much

[faint dew]

Not necessary, althou i have my own questions to BLM. Alas, not here and not now

[pure mirage]

Look what happend when we protested against going to war in the middle east?
Did nothing

[silk iron]

there's a huge difference between freedom of Speech protests in neo-liberal democracies (i.e the west) and protests in countries which suppress protests.

[cerulean canyon]

I think for some people, actively going out and doing something, like protesting, makes them feel like they are making a difference.
Who are we to take that from them?

[split aurora]

Arab Spring

[silk iron]

Sure in America social change can be achieved through marching on the streets and through legal process - but in Russia there's a police state and no freedom of prees

arab spring failed everywhere but Tunisia

[faint dew]

Honestly, i dont even know if revolution will do any good right now. It will be another civil war, and bloody at that, since there is no civil consensus on how country should be. And, again, no leadership.

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/geoallison/status/1496883088416284686?s=21

George Allison (@geoallison)

🚨BREAKING NEWS | In an emergency broadcast, the Ukrainian President tells citizens: "We are issuing arms to all Ukrainians capable of defending our sovereignty" and "anyone with military experience who is able to join the defence of Ukraine must report to battle stations".

Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 4:21 PM

[pure mirage]

Oh I get that
But it didnt really change the fact we went to war

[hollow hollow]

there’s unconfirmed reports that the an-225 may have been destroyed

[split aurora]

mass conscription

[silk iron]

i could see this coming

so many young men being sent to die

[copper monolith]

qrt https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1496883778492452869?s=20&t=sAPXZqWb25uSe_E9NI_vCQ

max seddon (@maxseddon)

Some Russians are protesting Putin's attack on Ukraine despite a total ban on protesting and immediate heavy crackdowns from riot police. Here's a gathering of about 200 in St Petersburg

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[cerulean canyon]

Unfortunately, it can be really hard to argue with the military, especially in a country that's so... Uh
Pro war

[faint dew]

They might feel that they do, but unless certain conditions are met, their efforts will be in vain, and will harm them even.

Again, as long as Military supports the regime, there is no real way to topple it

[weak blaze]

so

is it safe to call this a war

[faint dew]

Anyway, we are getting off track here

[silk iron]

do note, protests do get noticed even if they fail

[cerulean canyon]

This

[silk iron]

public consciousness comes back with a vengeance next decade

you can only suppress liberty for so long

[faint dew]

Anyone noticed protest for Russian opposition in last years?

[silk iron]

emancipation is a contagious idea

[cerulean canyon]

Starts with 200 and hopefully it'll grow from here

[silk iron]

@weak blaze it is 100% a war

[weak blaze]

ok

[faint dew]

It is war

[weak blaze]

so

[faint dew]

Maybe not complete annihilation war, but war non the less

[silk iron]

first it was a proxy war with the occupation of Crimea with Russian separatists and a long scale conflict with Russian seperatists propped up by Russia in Donbas

[weak blaze]

remember when we thought that one assassination in 2020 would start WWIII

[silk iron]

yh that was never likely

[weak blaze]

we may live to see it yet

[silk iron]

also not likely

no one gives enough of a damn about Ukraine to start a war on the scale of WW3 via military intervention

[cerulean canyon]

I disagree with this

[weak blaze]

world wars start bc of alliances. we got a semi-superpower and a superpower kicking eachother again

If the US gets involved militarily, NATO will join

[faint dew]

NATO already confirmed that they will not engage

[silk iron]

we'll wait and see with Biden's speech

[weak blaze]

Russia is buddy buddy with China and several arab countries

[cerulean canyon]

We'll see what Biden will say I suppose

[cerulean canyon]

Woops you already said this XD

[faint dew]

No big players on the board want escalation of that show

[weak blaze]

all that has to happen is russia pulling a japan

[silk iron]

my tone was intentionally blunt, the West has continuously appeased Putin's expansionism since 2008 with Georgia

[weak blaze]

we did the same with Hitler

[silk iron]

people have only started seeing the uncanny resemblance of Chamberlain's policy towards Nazi Germany

[weak blaze]

military is recruiting more in Texas

we have military recruiters at school every single week

normally its 1 a month

[silk iron]

hmm

[weak blaze]

and its every combat branch

Navy, Army, Marines, Air Force

[silk iron]

so i suspect America will be increasing military funding

[weak blaze]

no coast guard afaik

but coast guard’s main job is domestic

[silk iron]

to increase the deterrent in Taiwan and in Eastern Europe

the world has, beyond any doubt, moved back into a second cold war.

[waxen ermine]

Just woke up and saw they're going after Chernobyl??? Yikes

[weak blaze]

yep

[silk iron]

the story is a bit sensationalist

Russian troops are marching through

[hollow hollow]

moving thru it, not going sfter it

[waxen ermine]

Thank god

If they got Chernobyl i think it would be over

[weak blaze]

cold war 2, electric boogaloo

[silk iron]

there currently isn't evidence (from what i've seen) that there's any plots to use low/medium level radioactive waste as a unconventional weapon or anything, and i haven't seen any verified sources of radiation leaks

[waxen ermine]

i mean, the sarcophagus alone would be a HUGE piece for them

they could threaten to release radioactive fallout on europe unless ukraine surrenders

[buoyant sundial]

…?

[silk iron]

there's a lot of misinfo and disinfo and people jumping to conclusions

[lament halo]

Why would they do that when they have nukes...

[weak blaze]

bc nukes = assured mutual destruction

[keen sorrel]

That's not really how that works. Not like they can blow the sarcophagus up and then ask the fallout to go towards the people they don't like

[weak blaze]

they drop a nuke, they will get nuked to kingdom come

[silk iron]

it's way too unreliable

winds can change

and it could backfire

[weak blaze]

and humanity will be extincted

[cerulean canyon]

Well Jesus let's not go there.

[waxen ermine]

You're right Jim, but I don't think they would ACTUALLY do it, but I think they would use it basically as a threat

[lament halo]

Also with that radiation could affect them and kill their own soldiers before it even could effect others

[weak blaze]

and everyone would call their bluff

[lament halo]

I'm not saying they are going to use the nukes, but they have them. The fact of they have nukes

[waxen ermine]

hopefully

[ruby forge]

They aren't gonna use the nukes
They are prob going to use cyber attack to attack critcal infrastructure

[silk iron]

and such an unconventional use of radiation leaks into the atmosphere to covertly attack other nations, would offer some plausible deniability, but it would still be fairly obvious.

[faint dew]

Ok, i will go, talk with some people, and stop discussing this whole show. Was watching it from 7 in the morning, and 8 in the evening

[ruby forge]

Why blow a place when you can shut down all their power and communications

[faint dew]

Keep your heads clear and spirits high

[silk iron]

bb

[opal cloak]

Ukraine is A Real country

[keen sorrel]

Sure it has a flag and everything

[ruby forge]

Like take that cyber attack on that pipeline in the US last year and chaos it caused on the east coast

[cerulean canyon]

Thank you, you as well.

[stone vigil]

^ theres no point in blowing a place up that you want to occupy

[ruby forge]

That's the point

[lament halo]

We also don't know why Russia wants Ukraine in the first place

[ruby forge]

Buffer zone between nato prob

[waxen ermine]

^^^

[lament halo]

That's true...

[waxen ermine]

If the ukraine joined nato, they could legally put nato bases along the border between them and Russia

Im guessing russia was not happy with that idea

[silk iron]

Crimea had Sevastopol an important black sea port
Donbas was the industrialised region of Ukraine
where the coal, steel mills etc. were

and Putin has ambitions on 'reconquering Ukraine and integrating it back into greater Russia'

irredentism in other words

ideally Putin wanted Ukraine to be another satellite or puppet government like Belarus back in 2012

but the Euromaidan movement put an end to Russian influence on the Ukrainian government

[buoyant sundial]

Ok so does “greater Russia” = “Soviet union 2”?

[silk iron]

Putin prefers the ideas of 19th century Tsarist Greater Russia

[hollow hollow]

i feel like blowing up the sarcophagus would just make europe less inclined to surrender

[silk iron]

but is content with pragmatically controlling puppet countries in the CTFO

i.e like that of Soviet union 2.0

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1496890441786179590

AJ+ (@ajplus)

UPDATE: Russian police have arrested at least 167 people across the country protesting against Russia's invasion of Ukraine, according to an independent human rights monitor.

Reporters say dozens were arrested in Moscow and at least 20 others were detained in St. Petersburg. https://t.co/U5yRseScIG

Twitter · Feb 24, 2022, 4:51 PM

bojo about to announce new sanctions

[opal cloak]

vack

[viral junco]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/russia-attacks-ukraine-news-vladimir-putin-zelenskiy-russian-invasion?CMP=twt_gu&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium#Echobox=1645722135-1

[finite chasm]

Chernobyl is a serious risk to anyone who lives in Europe for real

The fact violence is even happening there is sickening

One of the most harrowing disasters in recent history. Legit puts anyone in Europe at risk to have violence there

[icy ridge]

I am praying for All European Peoples

[cerulean canyon]

Same.

[icy ridge]

THIS SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IN OUT LIFETIME

[lofty heart]

This shouldn't be happening. Period.

[cerulean canyon]

Agreed.

[icy ridge]

THIS SHOULD NOT BE A HEADLINE WE SHOULD BE SEEING

[white locust]

The fact that violence is happening at all is pretty sickening to be honest. The world never seems to truly learn from the past.

[solid adder]

we truly live in a society

[icy ridge]

LITERALLY PRE-WWII FEELING

[cerulean canyon]

History unfortunately has a tendency to repeat itself.

[cerulean canyon]

Fuck man

[ruby forge]

History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes*- Mark Twain*

[cerulean canyon]

Bidens address starts in about 20 minutes

[cerulean canyon]

Touche

[icy ridge]

I have BBC News and Euronews on right now

Some people in my Uni says "Russia can't attack NATO cause NATO, and NATO can't attack Russia cause Europe needs oil" what do y'all think?

[lofty heart]

Considering the sanctions, I don't think nato just won't attack due to needing oil

[icy ridge]

True

[copper monolith]

nato doesn't want to attack cuz russia has nukes, and russia won't attack nato cuz some nato have nukes

[icy ridge]

This is really scary times, Europe is in pre nazi times once again 😭😭

[icy ridge]

Which would in turn mean the end of the world

[finite sable]

😨

[cerulean canyon]

[tired scaffold]

Post-WWI, pre-nazi times were pretty chill, this is a rerun of nazi times

[icy ridge]

I meant by right before....during the nazi invasion of nations

[tired scaffold]

"Claim territory -> false flag -> invade" is exactly what Germany did to Poland in WWII

The nazis didn't pop into existence with the invasion of Poland, they'd already been in power for six years

[icy ridge]

Meanwhile as the domino effects are happening in the European Theatre (I CANT BELIEVE IM SAYING THIS AS A PRESENT SITUATION), there is going to be a Pacific Theatre in maybe a decade if this escalates badly

[nocturne bobcat]

I'm worried for the people of Ukraine, and tbh I'm also worried for what a huge precedent this is setting for other oppressive countries to look at

[icy ridge]

And the fact that the Russians are too afraid to protest due to arrests allows more dominoes to fall 😭😭

[cerulean canyon]

Russia has also made it very clear that if anyone attacks them they will cause a nuclear attack
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-russia-moscow-kyiv-626a8c5ec22217bacb24ece60fac4fe1

[nocturne bobcat]

There's no way all of this is gonna end with the bloodshed of Ukraine. I'm worried Ukraine is gonna just be the catalyst that kick-starts awful stuff all over the place

[cerulean canyon]

Agreed

[lofty heart]

This really feels like intimidation and not much else. Putin has no reason to trigger MAD

[cerulean canyon]

Yeah, there's talk that it's just an empty threat

[hollow hollow]

he wouldn’t, not until there’s abrams tanks in red square

[cerulean canyon]

However unfortunately the likelihood can't be discounted

[icy ridge]

Everything is literally falling into place for a third world war 😭😭😭 the dominoes must be stopped

[hollow hollow]

at that point he would totally take us all down with him

[nocturne bobcat]

The dominoes needed to be stopped a long time ago unfortunately

[lofty heart]

At this point the dominoes have already triggered and its near impossible to stop

[cerulean canyon]

Yup

[icy ridge]

But we can still stop the dominoes in Asia from Falling no?

[cerulean canyon]

I think a lot of this will depend on what Biden decides to do?

Maybe

[nocturne bobcat]

Mm, I'd agree but sanctions only do so much against these kinds of global superpowers

[cerulean canyon]

Which we will find out in about 8 minutes

[nocturne bobcat]

Responding to pegasusu*

Forgot to tag

[cerulean canyon]

Haha, no worries dowo

[solid adder]

8 minutes? the stream says 67 minutes for me

[cerulean canyon]

Wh

Did they push the time again

[solid adder]

I guess so ?

[icy ridge]

Cause if we can Prevent a new Asian Theatre of War, maybe there is slight hope?

[cerulean canyon]

Fuck they did

[silk iron]

Taiwan isn't the same situation as Ukraine

[cerulean canyon]

Yeah mine says 66 minutes now

[solid adder]

ye

[nocturne bobcat]

I'm with you, but China and Russia have already stated they're sympathetic to one another in times like these and technically China hasn't done anything yet

[silk iron]

it's a highly defended island, and is guaranteed by the US

[icy ridge]

It could happen at any moment if China gets angry on whatever US decides on Russia..... people are calling the Ruso-Sino relationship a new Entante so

[nocturne bobcat]

So if we start sanctioning them based on the pretense that they might at some point follow Russia by trying to go after Taiwan

Would not be great

[severe forge]

Tbh if this lasts more than a month Russia's economy will tank so much they will have to white peace

[granite jewel]

I honestly have no clue what's happening, im just worried

[silk iron]

in theory China could conquer Taiwan militarily put it would be a Pyrrhic victory

[severe forge]

It already tanked 40%

[tired scaffold]

All Ukraine has to do is survive for long enough for this to happen ^

[icy ridge]

Yes hope and pray 🙏

Survive and starve (economically) out Russia

[silk iron]

Ukraine won't survive that long from what i can tell

at least not eastern Ukraine

[nocturne bobcat]

^^ also historically Russia doesn't care if their people die due to preventable economic collapse

[granite jewel]

Unless someone intervenes, Ukraine won't survive

[severe forge]

And not without NATO support

[silk iron]

no one will intervene

maybe some subsidies some arms

[cerulean canyon]

I don't think this is true

[icy ridge]

People are gathering at the Brandenburg Gate in support for Ukraine

German Chancellor promises heavy sanctions, is what I can see from euronews

[granite jewel]

There's going to be an intervention at some point

[nocturne bobcat]

Anyone surrounding Ukraine and Russia who's had the chance to do anything hasn't, and doesn't look too keen on initiating with Russia until it's too late

[silk iron]

but Ukraine was not part of NATO, there is no obligation to intervene

[severe forge]

War support throughout Europe is increasing

[nocturne bobcat]

^^

[cerulean canyon]

Ahhhhhh

[icy ridge]

NATO can't support cause Russia is Threatening nuclear war

They are just providing supplies

[nocturne bobcat]

NATO wasn't doing much for Ukraine even before the nuclear threats

[cerulean canyon]

I just want Biden to get his address over with because I'm pacing around anxiously ATM

[silk iron]

the risks of escalating tensions further because of nations which fall outside of NATO being invaded are not worth it in European leader's eyes

[solid adder]

I doubt he's gonna talk about anything other than sanctions

[cerulean canyon]

Still.

Also we don't know that

[grizzled steeple]

I dont know what he could possibly say to make things any better

[silk iron]

Moldova would likely be next on Putin's list

[cerulean canyon]

Could be a reason the times been pushed back 3 times so far

[icy ridge]

Brandenburg Gate has now been lit with the colours of the Ukrainian flag

[silk iron]

probably integrate moldova transnistria too

[icy ridge]

Does Putin basically want to create (or bring back the former countries) in a new USSR?

[lofty heart]

Basically yeah

[silk iron]

yes

[solid adder]

I think so

[nocturne bobcat]

Essentially

[silk iron]

at least as many nations as he can

Putin has the same ruthless expansionist ambitions as dictators during the 20th century

what nations he can't puppet he will start a separatist movement in

[granite jewel]

I'm just worried

[cerulean canyon]

Same.

[icy ridge]

Same

[silk iron]

then use those separatists being harassed as a pretext to get involved in a 'defensive war'

things are relatively fine tbh

the economy is fucked

[cerulean canyon]

Worried for the world as a whole

[icy ridge]

This is basically the closest we are to midnight to WW3 basically 11:55

[cerulean canyon]

I don't like your definition of fine.

[silk iron]

but yes a second cold war has begun

[granite jewel]

A tiny more nudge and it might spark something worse

[ruby forge]

It's been going on for a long time already

[silk iron]

well if you like at 1950s/60s things were a lot worse in terms of global stability

[finite chasm]

It's a literal war rn

[icy ridge]

Yup 😭

[cerulean canyon]

Yeah. Nothing is fine.

[opal cloak]

yeah its bad

[granite jewel]

And i wish that we're not living in a major historical event

[icy ridge]

EVERY SINGLE YEAR

[white quail]

im genuinely just all over the place rn i want it all to stop

[silk iron]

history waits for no man

right

so relax guys

[cerulean canyon]

Unfortunately we've been living through a lot of historical events these last few years

[finite chasm]

Duck out a while and come back to it, gotta take it in doses today. But jaysus

[white quail]

way too much going on at once

[finite sable]

I picked a bad day to start catching up on what's going on in the world

[opal cloak]

we have the pandemic now we may have more bs to deal with

[silk iron]

we're not being conscripted just yet are we now? - and Putin will have to consolidate his gains in Ukraine

[nocturne bobcat]

It's all exhausting

[ruby forge]

depends if your country has a draft

[icy ridge]

Seeing how this is escalating fast, I will be not surprised if we took a break from the news by doses and comeback with WW3

[granite jewel]

It's all kinds of fucked right now

[white quail]

i dont see ww3 coming just yet but holy-

[cerulean canyon]

50 different shades

[opal cloak]

do you agree that Putin is a megalomaniac just a question you don't have to answer it if you don't want to

[icy ridge]

Basically 11:55 in the midnight clock

[nocturne bobcat]

Oh boy

[silk iron]

There'll be time to form a proper defensive pact in Europe, nations to rearm to deter any further expansionist ambitions.

Ukraine was invaded because it was isolated

[icy ridge]

From what the news says is that he is so isolated that he's only taking bad advice