the_ukraine_situation

[copper monolith]

Long translation lmao https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1665767426389049344?t=QennRbUxH818L_cUfF3Xvw&s=19

Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en)

This is roughly the prevailing current mood among Russian "bloggers" and "war correspondents":

"I’m sitting in f**king shock, the situation in the country is fucked up, they’re only destabilizing it further, the situation in Belgorod region is getting worse, the Ministry of…

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Twitter · Jun 5, 2023, 5:07 PM

I think so? Pilots should be trained by now

[gusty tendon]

Saving them up for the fabled offensive ig

[fleet ember]

Russia is a terrorist state

Russia’s strongest army acquired more territory this morning and dissolved an opposing Russian legion

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1666040456973565953?s=20

Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en)

Mine danger warning in Kherson region: minefields were flooded and floating mines detonate in different places.

Twitter · Jun 6, 2023, 11:12 AM

[gusty tendon]

That’s fucked and kinda funny

[fleet ember]

Russia knowingly did this

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1666041898979536896?s=20

[limber wagon]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1666020690217009152?s=20

Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24)

Zelensky announces that 150 tons of engine oil have polluted the Dnipro river due to Russia’s decision to destroy the Kakhovka dam.

Russia just caused an ecological disaster.

Never forget that Russia is a terrorist state!

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Twitter · Jun 6, 2023, 9:54 AM

[clear creek]

So is Russia so nervous about a siege of Cimea that they blow a all important damn

[paper cedar]

They just said on the radio that there is a possibly of Russia didn't take any part of this

[unreal path]

Y’all see this? https://fxtwitter.com/disclosetv/status/1666101647171280898?s=61&t=wTYPDebqB8wFv3vKMmGQlg

[paper cedar]

basically because the dam was already a bit damaged and haven't been renovated and the high amount of water that it has this month the dam collapsed

[paper cedar]

wait so this was found out because of the Discord leaks?

wow

bruh

[unreal path]

I still can’t believe someone leaked classified docs on discord

[paper cedar]

I can't believe it as well

like how on earth

[unreal path]

Back about the dam situation real quick look at this tweet it’s gonna blow your mind

https://fxtwitter.com/clashreport/status/1666125756404051987?s=61&t=wTYPDebqB8wFv3vKMmGQlg

:O I would have never have guessed

Also https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/iaea-director-general-statement-to-the-iaea-board-of-governors

The IAEA says there’s no immediate risk to the nuclear power plant which is good at least

[paper cedar]

that's good

[unreal path]

Here's a bit more about the Ukraine dam

https://fxtwitter.com/faytuks/status/1666125145679753216?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[wicked panther]

i can, you guys just spend time in the good discords

theres loads of discords out there with lonely dudes who want to impress their mates who also happen to be in the military

[limber jolt]

There are some bad parts of the internet that are best avoided

[copper monolith]

I mean yeah, the moskol propagandists talked about blowing dams up months ago, and some active duty soldier claimed it already had explosives just a couple months ago

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/rafaelmgrossi/status/1666009625869549574?s=61&t=wTYPDebqB8wFv3vKMmGQlg

[unreal path]

Yep, but maybe Ukraine brainwashed those Russians to put those explosives on :o

https://fxtwitter.com/ungeneva/status/1666099104911335424?s=61&t=wTYPDebqB8wFv3vKMmGQlg

[wicked panther]

Sadly those places have the best memes

[woven merlin]

why is this in the ukraine thread

[wicked panther]

Is that a rhetorical question

I shall delete it

[woven merlin]

I was just wondering, not a rhetorical question because I didn’t really get the context

[wicked panther]

Just that the same servers that contain classified military documents also contain the best gay memes

[woven merlin]

Ah ok

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/sergiykyslytsya/status/1666136887063457793?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[copper monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04sg2uHQK7w

[subtle wyvern]

and vatniks will still defend Russia

[unreal path]

Who?

[copper monolith]

omg tilr u dont know what a vatnik is?

[fleet ember]

Shebekino was seized https://twitter.com/tretter50001/status/1666169245208662020

Theresa 🇷🇺 🇳🇬 (@tretter50001)

🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🤫🤫The situation in Shebekino (Belgorod region)

The city is completely under the control of the RF Armed Forces. The fighter reports that all residents have been evacuated, the enemy periodically shells the village.

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Twitter · Jun 6, 2023, 7:44 PM

Russia’s response Belgorod city’s liberation would be interesting

[copper monolith]

[paper cedar]

Lmao

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1666094209978470403?t=_atXKgTjcZUo846uli8B8A&s=19

Dmitri (@wartranslated)

Russian MoD published a video earlier today allegedly showing a Ka-52 heli firing at a "Leopard-2" tank, which they called "the first video evidence" of its kind.

However, the Russian Voienniy Osvedomitel channel recognized this to not be a Leopard-2, and not even a tank, but a…

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Twitter · Jun 6, 2023, 2:46 PM

https://vxtwitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1666327194396684288?t=bjr1TpDDzuT4evnoVd5bLQ&s=19

https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1666059229218721795?t=Tku0heX5_e-UDKGtSg1ZOg&s=19

Mark MacKinnon (@markmackinnon)

Photo sent to me by a friend in Kherson…

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Twitter · Jun 6, 2023, 12:27 PM

https://vxtwitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1666162573828399106?t=xGzGLy7NZc8f4CUwozYcmA&s=19

[copper monolith]

There was a zoo with around 300 animals in Nova Kakhova before the dam was blown up

Only ducks and swans survived

[lilac sparrow]

Russia is finally getting back at those Ukrainian farmers who keep stealing their toys

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1666353001341018116?t=EEZQWvxgb2Qjege38yIKZA&s=19

[gusty tendon]

Flooding, a wonderful idea :)))

/s

[fleet ember]

A grand act of cowardice

Russia needs severe repercussions after this war

[subtle wyvern]

people who are very pro-russia

[unreal path]

https://youtu.be/TM5Fdbj5Sog

[unreal path]

Ahh

[limber wagon]

this

[paper cedar]

So it begins

[eternal bloom]

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1666769112729526272?t=7ZDjMiPRki6pV4PbxoQMyA&s=19

Jimmy Rushton (@JimmySecUK)

Kherson: Russian forces are shelling Ukrainian rescuers attempting to evacuate civilians from their flooded homes.

📸: Stas Yurchenko

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Twitter · Jun 8, 2023, 11:28 AM

[limber wagon]

Jesus christ

[paper cedar]

How do they even have the coordinates of the rescuers

[copper monolith]

drones and sats I guess

[lilac sparrow]

They’re honestly probably just indiscriminately shelling the city

[wicked panther]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/556756134367592481/1116458993309728840/IMG_20230608_200250_493.jpg

[fleet ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/FreedomofRussia/comments/143a6yr/partisans_connected_to_the_peoples_movement_of

[copper monolith]

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1667048494677336064?s=20

[gusty tendon]

I’ve been hearing news that the counteroffensive has begun

Idk if that’s true or not

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/afp/status/1667186035590324226?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/afp/status/1667183044753596418?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

https://fxtwitter.com/afp/status/1667185803821187074?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[gusty tendon]

Oh damn, that’s cool

[unreal path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbNLqqIAEd4

[paper cedar]

I'm amazed that the counteroffensive is starting

Very curious how far that will go

and how long

Also quite poetic that the counteroffensive started right after the dam broke

"Since the dam broke, everything changed"

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1667235952375242765?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[fleet ember]

It began but idk about any advancements

[unreal path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36YplByn5w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP1Btokmws0

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/Der_Parrot/status/1667172181409689601?t=7CAE6CXEoggMV_TZ6IHbow&s=19

Der Kraut (@Der_Parrot)

Be mentally prepared for what the Ukrainians find when they liberate their territory. Yes, there will be beautiful scenes of cheering civilians welcoming liberation. But there will also be mass graves and evidence of Russian war crimes. Especially when Ukraine liberates Mariupol.

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Twitter · Jun 9, 2023, 2:09 PM

[paper cedar]

I hope Ukraine takes it slow and steady

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1667484475893194753?s=20

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/afp/status/1667523978464829440?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

https://fxtwitter.com/afp/status/1667532078160965633?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[copper monolith]

👀

[fast cradle]

https://twitter.com/EverythingOOC/status/1667510358158766080?s=20

Seems Russia Today is banned in a bunch of countries now. (ignore the comments, half of them are genocide loving fascists supporting the Russian invasion)

Everything Out Of Context (@EverythingOOC)

How many war crimes did RT_com just commit?💀

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Twitter · Jun 10, 2023, 12:33 PM

It is scary how Russian propaganda is so effective even non-Russians are buying into it to the degree of supporting massacres.

[fleet ember]

Previously occupied territory in Kherson past the Dnieper has an unclear status now

Also Ukraine made gains in Zaporizhia

[viral junco]

they've been banned for about a year

[copper monolith]

yeah EU countries banned them near the start of the war

[fast cradle]

I see

But yeah, still sad people actually think they are a reliable news source and that Russia are actually the good guys

Because apparently bombing random civilians is a good guy thing

[fleet ember]

Russia has oppressed other ethnicites and nations for the past several centuries, clearly the good guys

[fast cradle]

But you don't get it, Russia says that that isn't true

How can you possibly go around saying they did something, if the people accused say they didn't. Smh. /s

[fleet ember]

Putin’s rise to power was caused by a staged drone strike allegedly by Chechnya, mf was a war criminal since the start

[limber jolt]

I haven't heard this actually

[copper monolith]

yeah it wasn't a drone strike, russia didn't have that tech back then

it was just good ol' bombs

[fleet ember]

*bombing

Only had a few hours of sleep lol

[limber jolt]

Russia has been an authoritarian hell for centuries, and everyone in and around the country has suffered because of it

Russian history is very much a tragedy

[gusty tendon]

You’re right, the comments are depressing

[fast cradle]

But yeah, I honestly don't get why some non-Russians are buying into Kremlin propaganda.

Like, I get not trusting NATO. I don't particularly like them either. But we have proof that Russia is doing war crimes against Ukraine. It is completely undeniable.

[limber jolt]

there's the classic what aboutism some people have said

"what about Iraq?"

[fleet ember]

At least we don’t currently perpetuate cock fights between countries (azerbaijan and armenia)

[gusty tendon]

NATO is significantly better than Russia, I guarantee you that 95% of them have never stepped foot in Russia

[fast cradle]

Rejecting it is like Holocaust denial. For it to be fake, it would require such an absolutely absurd amount of falsified documents and footage and having paid actors devote their entire life to keeping up the story; that it should be self-evident that it isn't false.

[fast cradle]

Oh yeah, it is better than Russia.

[limber jolt]

I've only been able to see a bit better what is going on in Russia because I have family that still lives there

[fast cradle]

I am just saying I get not trusting them either. Not that I think they are equally bad.

[gusty tendon]

NATO has its fair share of wrongdoings but they don’t compare to the level of shady shit that Russia has done

[fleet ember]

Yeah

Suez canal, the middle east, the israel shitshow

[gusty tendon]

True, thats a good idea

[fast cradle]

But what I don't get is rejecting all the, obvious proof that they are telling the truth in this case.

[limber jolt]

every country does shitty things, but in this instance you can't ignore the fact that Russia is the aggressor, Russia is the one committing tons of war crimes

[fleet ember]

I see their outcome in ukraine as the start of their comeuppance for that tbh

Bullying other countries and ethnicities only gets a country so far

[limber jolt]

I don't see a scenario in which this ends well for the Russian people

[fast cradle]

And even if it were true that Ukraine was doing terrible things in Donetsk and Luhansk, it wouldn't justify the whole, bombing of civilians.

[limber jolt]

because if Putin's government collapses Russia would likely fall apart, perhaps into civil war

[fast cradle]

And shooting down of civilians.

[limber jolt]

if Russia peacefully collapsed that would be better

[fast cradle]

And wartime sexual violence.

[fleet ember]

Let’s just hope their nukes are not utilized for that

[limber jolt]

but a dictatorship collapsing is rarely peaceful

[fast cradle]

Like, the justification they use for the invasion just, only justifies war against the government. Not a massacre of the civilians.

[fleet ember]

Does Putin even have potential successors

[gusty tendon]

A Civil War of a nuclear power is one of my worst nightmares

[fleet ember]

Thus why nukes should be internationally outlawed

A geopolitical headache

[gusty tendon]

They’re too useful for that

That’ll never happen

[fleet ember]

Sadly

[limber jolt]

a lot of the people in Putin's inner circle are worse than him

[fleet ember]

Is his the most competent person in his government?

[limber jolt]

and tbh if it weren't for nuclear bombs ww3 would have probably happened a long time ago

[fast cradle]

Thus, even if true, it doesn't work as a defence.

[fleet ember]

Like would anyone else at least keep russia from causing ww3

[fast cradle]

I mean, Russia really wants it rn

They are threatening to bomb the coast of America because, well, they are constantly talking about how they want to kill our citizens.

[fleet ember]

When your country with only one developed side wants to nuke another country with development and way more major cities and individually useful regions all around it

[fast cradle]

But they never do as they know it is a bad idea.

[fleet ember]

Also don’t they still rely on nuclear silos?

[fast cradle]

Because they understand MAD. But still try to use the threat.

[limber jolt]

as I understand, the Russian system doesn't actually really use silos

they rely a bit more on mobile systems when they can

[fleet ember]

at least we have access to the Baltic Sea

[fast cradle]

Now that Finland and Sweden are NATO, yeah

[fleet ember]

Sweden finally joined?

[fast cradle]

Iirc, yeah

Maybe not, let me check

[fleet ember]

Erdogan moment

[fast cradle]

Okay, just Finland

But Sweden is a NATO ally.

Just not a member

[fast cradle]

What about Erdoğan?

[fleet ember]

As Turkey’s president, he’s blocking Sweden’s admission iirc

Along with maybe Hungary

Idk if they conceded

[fast cradle]

Ah

But yeah, having Finland still gives access to the Baltic Sea, and a shared contiguous border with Northern Russia, around where several important military bases are stationed.

[fleet ember]

Now Finland is nevermore a buffer zone

Most of Russia’s European border is with NATO now, which Putin ironically disfavored and used to justify Ukraine’s invasion.

Pretty sure it takes big fuck ups to cause those two nations to apply for NATO membership

[fast cradle]

Also, Russia will probably lose Crimeia soon. Which would be a major blow as it is a very important strategic and economic position,

[fleet ember]

Ukraine should dedicate a joint military operation to Transnistria afterwards

[subtle wyvern]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings this is what I believe made Putin rise to power

[fleet ember]

Yep

An excuse to reincorporate Chechnya

Though no UN nations besides Ukraine and Georgia recognized its independence. Ukraine’s was recent though, occuring last year and acknowledging its Russian occupation.

[unreal path]

From what I heard there are a good number of people at nato that believe Sweden will become a member this year, especially since the Turkey election is over

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1667662603579957248?t=ib3O-oT5MKjqoZeneO_NWg&s=19 https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1667662878348922892?t=kKWZ5HNtcJmk2BFAtFtUsg&s=19 https://fxtwitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1667663853721735170?t=L7gFOMZc0hVIDlm14tOXSw&s=19

OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical)

Rybar reporting major Ukrainian advances in the Velyka Novosilka area, with Ukrainian forces capturing Neskuchne and Blahodatne "almost without a fight", and moving on Urozhaine and Novodonets'ke.

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Twitter · Jun 10, 2023, 10:38 PM

OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical)

Ukrainian forces are pushing deep behind initial Russian lines in the area now

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Twitter · Jun 10, 2023, 10:39 PM

[gusty tendon]

Damn it’s actually beginning now

[copper monolith]

For my bday wish I wish for Putin and everyone I'm the Kremlin to have a nice polonium flavoured tea next to a window

Image cuz that shits blocked for me lol

[subtle wyvern]

Today is your birthday? Happy birthday!

[gusty tendon]

Oh, happy bday
I’ve been hearing Russia bots claim that 3 leopard 2s have been destroyed, is that true? I don’t believe it but I wanna know

[subtle wyvern]

Yeah there are reports that some leos were destroyed, but that is understandable that you will lose some tech

But importantly their blowback panels work and save the tank crew

Unlike russian tanks that turn the crew into cosmonauts

[copper monolith]

No one said western equipment is indestructible, but those loses are nothing compared to Russian lmao

[copper monolith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-cLQH9AbjQ

[grand pier]

are they sure it isnt just more combine harvesters

[unreal path]

happy birthday :D

[copper monolith]

h

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/walter_report/status/1668010962912268289?s=20

why do I feel like this is a sign

[wicked panther]

Irl skull emoji??!!

[limber wagon]

holy fuck

[paper cedar]

That's horrifying

[lilac sparrow]

That’s neat

[copper monolith]

💀

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/afp/status/1668279491704283137?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[copper monolith]

that's shitty

thats epic

[paper cedar]

pog

I hope Ukraine will defend well

[fast cradle]

Never thought I would see someone say "pog" to the militaristic reclamation of land in an international conflict.

But it is good news.

[paper cedar]

oh sorry I went a bit too twitch chat mentality there

[wicked panther]

Yo pogchamp?

Goated??

[stiff quartz]

Ukraine’s really popping off

[wicked panther]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65867990 an interesting story

[limber wagon]

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1668083952039362561?s=20

TIME (@TIME)

How Ukraine's dam collapse could become the country's 'Chernobyl' https://t.co/KWPP4aIaKA

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Twitter · Jun 12, 2023, 2:33 AM

Amazing journalism Time magezine

Now where was Chornobyl located again?

[copper monolith]

do you think 9/11 was america's pearl harbor

[lilac sparrow]

They changed the title of the article

💀

But they didn’t change the tweet

[paper cedar]

Bruh they really forgot Chernobyl is in Ukraine

[copper monolith]

they see "ussr" and think "ah, russia"

[paper cedar]

Lmao

Classic Americans

[fast cradle]

I find it funny Twitter put an explanation on there being like "Cherynobl is in Ukraine"

[paper cedar]

Ikr

[unreal galleon]

Saying it 'could become the country's 'Chernobyl' ' implies something else given the ultimate consequences of it for the Soviet Union...

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1668651908708569088?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1668319910349656066?t=6_mBkdLMoUUAacBye26jvQ&s=19 https://fxtwitter.com/reshetz/status/1668593385320468481?t=B-hFzhaBU8E5qlCkFKknCw&s=19

Moment

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1668683142670983171?t=jNS1xIKihrjVJu_tqouEXg&s=19

Dmitri (@wartranslated)

Ukraine: We just lost 15 Bradleys. But they saved many lives of crews.
USA: No problem here’s another 15 😎

This is what I like to see.

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Twitter · Jun 13, 2023, 6:13 PM

[wicked panther]

Yk itll be during the run for presidency in the us I think we will see Biden giving a lot of weaponry to ukraine in the hope thats seen as a popular move

[lilac sparrow]

I hate how they call them “tactical secure communications support equipment” instead of just calling them radio equipment but I guess it doesn’t sound as impressive

[paper cedar]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xtDGD-HOyKY

[wicked panther]

Its not a radio tuna its a ✨ radio ✨, important difference

[lilac sparrow]

It’s a high speed low drag ✨ radio ✨

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/AFP/status/1668946385012510721?s=20

https://fxtwitter.com/AFP/status/1668928768403030016?s=20

[paper cedar]

man can't they just have peace with each other

[viral junco]

From the frontlines today: there was a commander on the russian side who's already hated as is, who made his soldiers bunch up and wait 2 hours for a speech

the speech never came as he was late and 100 died because ukraine saw them and managed to use HIMARS

[fast cradle]

Yikes

[copper monolith]

Um ackchually that's at least 3 days old

[lilac sparrow]

Any article on that

I guarantee you the division commander said “show up at 9” and so the brigade commanders told their troops to be there at 830, the battalion said be there at 8, company said be there at 730, platoon said be there at 7, section and squad level was probably nice on them and told them to just show up at 650 for accountability. Stuff like this is genuinely normal in the military surprisingly enough

I’d absolutely love to see the article on that

[viral junco]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/15/russia-ukraine-war-live-kryvyi-rih-hit-by-russian-cruise-missiles-say-officials-odesa-targeted-by-strikes-for-second-day

14:17 BST

[lilac sparrow]

Thank you

[copper monolith]

https://youtu.be/k9aZMxah04A

i love russian propaganda targeted at the people still living in Lugansk and Donetsk (they're only recently getting mobile internet)

[leaden grove]

The Swedish government is going to set up a repair and logistics hub with up to 60 Swedish staff in a country bordering Ukraine to help repair and service the military equipment they supplied https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/direktrapport-forsamrat-sakerhetslage

[subtle wyvern]

There is a video where a UA soldier says STALKER trained him how to use an underbarrel grenade launcher

idk if I can post it here tho

18+ and all

[leaden grove]

Further information given in the official press release: https://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2023/06/tolfte-stodpaketet-till-ukraina/

Two highlights: purchase of long-range missiles through a common fund

And official training on Gripen fighter jets!

[leaden grove]

Is the video 18+ or the game? And if you‘re in doubt, don’t post it

[subtle wyvern]

well video has 18+ written on it

stalker is obviously mature rating lol

[wicked panther]

always surprises me how similar and dissimilar dutch and nordic languages are

i can read it to a certain degree and then they hit you with the önskemal

[leaden grove]

Haha yeah, you can definitely tell they’re part of a language family

[copper monolith]

as long as its not gore, people blowing up or just dying, you can post it

[subtle wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=g_nmc_1dQao

[copper monolith]

ye I'd say active combat footage is fine as long as there are no bodies shown

i should get back to watching civdiv's gopro footage

[subtle wyvern]

yeah alright

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1669746572035346433?s=20

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/ocha_ukraine/status/1669750774535008286?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[copper monolith]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65932700

Wonderful

[subtle wyvern]

as if moving some nukes around is going to change something

[silk iron]

It's the same old vague, exaggerated threat of MAD to discourage any direct intervention and attempt to twist popular opinion in other countries against the war via fear of nuclear Armageddon. What the Russian state fails to realise is nations can't afford to kowtow to nuclear blackmail either, since that sets a very troubling precedent. The slight difference this time is this is also a power projection move to further tighten Russia's chains around Belarus.

As as we've seen with recent pledges from multiple countries to train Ukrainian fighter pilots the resolve to support Ukraine is as high as ever, and aid and support will just incrementally increase, calling the Kremlins bluff each time.

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1670299844215177216?s=20

splodering

[gusty tendon]

hows the counteroffensive going so far

[copper monolith]

so-so, ukrainian advances in one place, russians successfully defending others (mainly cuz apparently they have 30 helies in that place?)

i dont really see much on the counter offensive lol

[gusty tendon]

so its stalled for now?

[copper monolith]

idk, I've not been on twitter much the last few days and thats where I get all my info lol

[gusty tendon]

thank you for your service

must be tough going through 300000 sieverts of radiation every day

[subtle wyvern]

from what I saw the ukrainians haven't truly began, only 3 of 15 divisions are active I think?

[paper cedar]

If I need to be honest it is very good that we barely have any info

Because if we did then the silence they want to have wouldn't have worked so well

[subtle wyvern]

the best posts is when pro-russian social media people keep mentioning destroyed equipment, but it suspiciously moving deeper into russian occupied territory

too bad I don't have any examples

ukrainians sure are doing good on the no-info front

[gusty tendon]

surprising in an information era war

[subtle wyvern]

and then there is the official ukrainian twitter posting memes

[paper cedar]

yeah

[grand pier]

so far the best we can tell is that it's all just minor attacks testing out the defenses and looking for weak spots, the big full on offensive is yet to start

the fact that they are already making some minor advances with just the testing of defenses is interesting though

shows there are definietly some weaker spots that could possibly be exploited

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/arabnews/status/1670602303408054273?s=20

[copper monolith]

https://fxtwitter.com/Tendar/status/1670532360415199234?t=-PY0U1KQX09Yd4q4b1DH6Q&s=19

Longish tweet

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1670446050639855630?t=9zf2xZKFwVTSN7ttY15iOQ&s=19

Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en)

Prigozhin: "by 18th June 2023, 32,000 persons who were previously convicted and participated in the special military operation as part of Wagner PMC have gone home as their contract ended."

Great news for Russia!

32,000 criminals returned to Russia from war. They have already…

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Twitter · Jun 18, 2023, 2:59 PM

[paper cedar]

I mean they did "win" their freedom and hey at least Russia kept their word

But uh having criminals murder people and then just going back to their country is.. feels like they might want to do more?

Not gonna lie though I'm gonna bet most of these criminals won't rob or do anything because most of them do it because they don't have money

Now that they did their military stuff then that means they should get enough money from Russia to rebuild their lives

[wicked panther]

What is worrying is these people probably have serious war ptsd

[subtle wyvern]

there was already a criminal who came back to their village and murdered an elderly person

im surprised they weren't sent to die on some assault

[paper cedar]

Okay 32000 criminals with ptsd is uhh

you know what yeah

this is quite bad

Even if I'll say only 1% will actually decides to murder someone because they learnt killing is not that hard

That's 320 dead people

I guess we will see

Hopefully these people aren't actually criminals, like people go to prison for various stuff

so like percentage for serial killers in prison is already low

I just hope innocent people won't die

[proven steppe]

yall are taking ptsd too seriously

yes, its bad.

and its not shocking that after war you have war ptsd

dying is worse, and killing innocent men, women and children is even worse

thats enough politics for me today

[wicked panther]

My g we werent saying ptsd is worse than murder we were saying its a factor that needs to be considered too

If trained army vets get ptsd and go looney imagine what it does to criminals

[fossil horizon]

Probably a lot of dead people

Especially withrussia's nonexistent psychological healthcare

[unreal path]

https://youtu.be/5p_a9QiL-hA

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1671112671561654280?s=20

[runic patrol]

russia today gaming

goodbye

[copper monolith]

lmao#

[fleet ember]

I think this is like France, the US, and the UK stowing some nukes in countries like Germany and Poland. They still have authority over their nukes in those countries. Belarus presumably can not fire these nukes without Russia’s approval, since Russia provided them.

Though this does strengthen Belarus and Russia’s relationship and idk how the nukes will be managed after Lukashenko is no longer in power. I fear Putin might try something similar with other CSTO members. Heaven forbid Crimea and the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics have nukes stowed there too.

[fossil horizon]

I can see that video title

"Trying to Ivade Ukraine with idiotic Strategy"

[runic patrol]

"when city planning forces you to blow the kakhovka dam"

"i was sponsored to throw hundreds of mobiks at a machine gun turret"

[fossil horizon]

Argh

It's horrible

XD

[subtle wyvern]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/20/politics/pentagon-ukraine-accounting-error

another 3 billion found under the sofa

[fleet ember]

How do you overvalue by billions

[subtle wyvern]

math be like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter

small math mistakes can cause big problems

[fleet ember]

Imperial system moment

[fossil horizon]

USA be like

[fast cradle]

Actually, science like MCO is done in metric so that isn't actually relevant.

[paper cedar]

Lmao

Thank you for making us laugh in these hard times

[fleet ember]

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1671208637933694977?s=20

Igor Sushko (@igorsushko)

🚨 Russians have now also mined the Zaporizhia Nuclear Powerplant's cooling system with explosives. -
Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine's Defense Intelligence Agency (GUR)

Russian soldiers aren't allowing the hostage plant workers to bring the last reactor into a "cold shutdown."

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Twitter · Jun 20, 2023, 5:29 PM

[subtle wyvern]

would Nato intervene in securing the powerplant I wonder, in case if they do blow it up

[copper monolith]

I'd rather it doesn't get blown up in the first place

[subtle wyvern]

hopefully they don't blow it up, but it's Russia we are speaking

they dug into radioactive soil and don't know anything about chernobyl

[fleet ember]

Probably not

I assume that would provoke Russia to spark a global war

[proven steppe]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_river_reversal

💀 i dont think they have education in russia

[fast cradle]

Luckily, they didn't go through with it.

[copper monolith]

But they did with the Aral sea

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1671961265630064643?t=uTmrbCf5phsM0kcDc4s3sg&s=19

Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en)

Kakhovka reservoir has become so shallow that the water from it doesn't get to the four irrigation channels that provide (provided) water to the South and South-East of Ukraine - BBC. According to UN data, more than 700,000 people can suffer from disruptions in drinking water…

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Twitter · Jun 22, 2023, 7:20 PM

[limber wagon]

Oh wow, you can still see the original flow patterns in the sand. I for sure thought those would have long since disappeared with them being underwater for decades

jeez

https://fxtwitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1670071614837235713?s=20

[paper cedar]

Am I the only one crazy of just wanting to have a hike though there

[wicked panther]

Through the soggy mud? Youd get sucked in

[limber wagon]

dont forget the "in the middle of a warzone" part

[limber wagon]

Come to the netherlands. You can cross the Waddensea at low tide. There's plenty of organised tours there, plus as a bonus its not in a warzone.

[paper cedar]

You know what that actually sounds fun

[limber wagon]

Yeah, I really want to do that at some point

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1672250346805116928?s=20

Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2)

Yevgeny Prigozhin has crossed another red line

The Wagner Group chief is now attacking the rationale for Russia's war with Ukraine

Here are some key points /1

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 2:28 PM

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1672231223651979264?s=20

Jason Jay Smart (@officejjsmart)

LIBERATION HAS ARRIVED

After 9 years of 🇷🇺-occupation, Ukraine 🇺🇦 has liberated 510 sq meters (5500 sq feet) near Krasnogorivka.

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 1:12 PM

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672312025265864704?s=20

Dmitri (@wartranslated)

❗️Prigozhin "declares war on Russian Ministry of Defence".

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 6:33 PM

⁉️

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672314259907158028?s=20 https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672316037428027401?s=20

Dmitri (@wartranslated)

Full message of Prigozhi "declaring war on the Russian Ministry of Defence:

"PMC Wagner Commanders’ Council made a decision: the evil brought by the military leadership of the country must be stopped.

They neglect the lives of soldiers. They forgot the word “justice”, and we…

Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 6:42 PM

Dmitri (@wartranslated)

Audio.

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 6:49 PM

(transcript one is long)

big if true

meh if not

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672321585796063239?s=20

Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock)

From Russia’s Defense Ministry: “All remarks and footage circulated in the name of Evgeny Prigozhin about an alleged ‘MOD Russian attack on Wagner’s rear bases’ are untrue and constitute an information provocation.” https://t.co/O8koDq3VOE

Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 7:11 PM

[paper cedar]

I'll say we should call it not true until Evgeny Prigozhin actually comments about it

Ngl I would expect a video of him talking you know

oh wait I said it wrong

I meant we should take it as true until Evgeny Prigozhin actually comments about it isn't*

[keen sorrel]

Does that person have any face other than 😠

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/defconwsalerts/status/1672324863657377802?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

https://fxtwitter.com/defconwsalerts/status/1672327181895335942?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

https://fxtwitter.com/defconwsalerts/status/1672328428262162433?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[paper cedar]

wtf is happening

oh my goodness

I really thought it would be fake news

Oh boy this is gonna be interesting

[subtle wyvern]

and to think prigozhin used to draw art for children books

[viral junco]

https://kyivindependent.com/us-senators-propose-to-consider-russias-nuclear-threats-as-attack-on-nato/

[copper monolith]

nah, he's always angry and an actual warmonger

[subtle wyvern]

there is this

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672357331663765504?s=20

very long tweet for the english transcript

there's a clip being shared rn of APVs on Moscow's streets near the Duma, won't share it atm unless there's more clips and/or info about that

and Rostov

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672331032136421376?s=20 https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672331620412538886?s=20 https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672332872978497536?s=20

max seddon (@maxseddon)

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov says Putin is aware of Wagner's Yevgeny Prigozhin basically declaring a coup against the army and claims "all the necessary measures are being taken." Whatever those are.

https://t.co/YvlB61tBGp

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 7:49 PM

max seddon (@maxseddon)

Now the FSB appears to say Prigozhin is indeed launching a coup.

"In response to these statements, the FSB of Russia has launched a criminal case over calls for an armed uprising. We demand to stop these unlawful actions at once."

https://t.co/8cmu4TiA77

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 7:51 PM

max seddon (@maxseddon)

Prigozhin is still posting a voice memo every few minutes.

"Most soldiers support us! We get messages: 'Thanks, guys! Finally there'll be justice in the army! Finally you will make sure we get munitions and they stop throwing us into the meat grinder!"
https://t.co/9Oe3Y5ST4t

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 7:56 PM

prob gonna be around for the next 6hrs until my flight, so I guess I'll be posting stoof I see lol

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672364086812606470?s=20

Dmitri (@wartranslated)

Prigozhin, via AP Wagner channel, calls for Rosgvardia to join him, or "things will go badly":

"The most promising politician appeals to the National Guard (Rosgvardia) with an offer that is better not refused. Obeying criminal orders and attempting to interfere with the planned…

Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 10:00 PM

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672365698406907913?t=0A4qCVpN5NeJmcpOwMAzyA&s=19 https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672373912213282816?t=0A4qCVpN5NeJmcpOwMAzyA&s=19

Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock)

Russian state TV network Channel One says a special news broadcast will begin "soon."

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 10:07 PM

Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock)

The segment has aired. Anchor Ekaterina Andreeva (the same one whose broadcast last year was disrupted by Ovsyannikova) denied Prigozhin's allegations of a missile strike, said his footage is staged, repeated the FSB's address to Wagnerites, & noted that Putin has been informed.

Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 10:39 PM

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1672377845740617728?t=J6WISkd8SE8YYSAEYamfEA&s=19

Steve Rosenberg (@BBCSteveR)

As I head home for the night, I'm left with many questions about what's happening right now in Russia. Top of the list: where is Yevgeny Prigozhin at the moment & has anyone actually seen the "March of Justice" he called for in one of his audio messages?

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 10:55 PM

Yeah not much is going on with Wagner other than words

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1672374765573533697?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672377257778638850?t=qnSYGIXKJuU2XZPof9X3Eg&s=19

Am already losing interest, probably nothing will happen

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672383249656496128?t=6UbbzqCRJkO3g4Tzqpep-w&s=19

Dmitri (@wartranslated)

❗️New audio statement by Prigozhin (00:03 BST), stating Wagner "crossed state borders in all areas" and is now entering Rostov, promising to "destroy anything standing in their way":

"The current situation: today, we were dealt a missile strike. After this strike, helicopters…

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 11:16 PM

Long tweet

📣 OK where is anything ur doing

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672386090567647232?t=ujniWntaiV928YO3boV-DQ&s=19

Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en)

To sum up, Prigozhin recorded a new audio message and declared that he's entering Rostov-na-Donu.

It's known that Rostov is where the staff for the russian troops participating in the "SMO" in Ukraine is located.

Meanwhile, air-raid alert in Kyiv and many Ukrainian regions,…

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 11:28 PM

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672386855935852546?t=MdXh-2faRIWKsJLIX6eynw&s=19

Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock)

Russian state television has aired a second segment about the Prigozhin insurrection case (and promised a third broadcast to come), showing General Sergey Surovikin's address to Wagnerites, where he calls on them to disobey their warlord leader. https://t.co/kugpOEFAYV

Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 11:31 PM

[viral junco]

https://vxtwitter.com/NOELreports/status/1672382268608851970

the audio thing from earlier

[copper monolith]

Yup, sounds like the fuck

[split aurora]

Google maps showing a line of roadblocks outside rostov

[copper monolith]

What about streets in Moscow?

[split aurora]

I'm just sticking to the BBC feed, twitter is insanely sensationalist now

Keyline is the last line

[split aurora]

Moscows clear, but its 1100km away

[copper monolith]

I'm only really reading tweets from Ukrainians that I've followed for over a year now lol

[keen sorrel]

That's a situation

Dare I say a developing one

[copper monolith]

Very

[lilac sparrow]

I think at most the Russian government will just erase Prigozhin and being the Wagner group into their army

If they havnt erased him already

[copper monolith]

Yeah

[lilac sparrow]

A big move from prigozhin would be to just release the contracts of his PMC as a good amount of them are criminal soldiers, then just disappear himself

[split aurora]

@copper monolith why am I only now realising that the wagner boss looks like hank schrader

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/vxunderground/status/1672380294731636736?s=20

[copper monolith]

The evil twin

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672394495424356352?t=B6P44PMGXr1BjGZpBCRFRg&s=19

Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en)

So far there are no confirmations (videos or photos) of Prigozhin's previous statements that Wagner mercenaries have allegedly entered Rostov-on-Don. Local media don't confirm that.

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 12:01 AM

[keen sorrel]

Do things

[split aurora]

Truest thing you've ever said

[viral junco]

Wagner being valuable for them in Syria and Africa will hit Russia even harder should they fall

[royal nymph]

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1672381234150887425

Liveuamap (@Liveuamap)

PMC Wagner's troops entering Rostov-on-Don, - Prigozhin https://t.co/w2ZhVMOE4s

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 11:08 PM

[split aurora]

it's worth noting, that was claimed ~90mins ago

and so far neither the BBC or Guardian, or any other reputable western source I am aware of, has photographic/video evidence

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/status/1672355756912279553?t=KBuqBEPHUVjH0B193Ppf8Q&s=19

Sputnik (@Sputnik_Not)

BREAKING: Ukraine runs out of popcorn

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 9:27 PM

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672408611648045056?t=0nWkyDx-jOHCdnR6rCkn6A&s=19

max seddon (@maxseddon)

Rostov's governor: "The situation demands maximum concentration of all forces to keep order. Law enforcement is doing everything necessary to ensure the safety of the province's residents. I ask everyone to remain calm and not leave home unless necessary."
https://t.co/TJRz3gu3n0

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 12:57 AM

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672411862808293376?t=Y-E8XSk2WHrQjUFLZvdPkw&s=19

max seddon (@maxseddon)

Meanwhile, on Russian state TV: astrology

Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 1:10 AM

[paper cedar]

I'm reading the situation right now and wow

that is interesting

[copper monolith]

Apparently fighting is happening and a Russian aircraft was shot down, will wait for more confirmation and evidence

[paper cedar]

oh my goodness

I'm fascinated this is actually happening

I never expected Wagner itself to go oppose Russia

Like from everyone else, they do it

Like what do they even gain from this?

[split aurora]

very big apparently, though

theres been claims of conflict for 2h

sooo I'm waiting for the beeb to give evidence

[copper monolith]

U can follow it through here, https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142 I can share names of some Ukrainians and pro Ukrainian accs I trust later if u want

Atm everything I see is taken with NaCl and we may not know the full extent until hours later

But one way to prove authenticity is if any recent clip now will have brighter skies, sun's rising here

[paper cedar]

I can't wait to wake up tomorrow and read on the updates

[split aurora]

most significant thing at this stage is... there is 0 concrete evidence

[copper monolith]

Though will say even if Prigozhins actually doing things, he won't ever take Moscow

[split aurora]

There is nothing that can definitely say any actual action has happened

Theres proof of a significant russian response

theres proof of words

but at this stage, no concrete proof of action

the second there's a hint of action, the entire situation changes

[paper cedar]

I'll say even if it is just Wagner not doing actual stuff, all of this happening still generates massive chaos for Russia

[split aurora]

oh yeah, definitely

[copper monolith]

In other news, missiles flew at Ukrainian cities, no info on any damage or successful AA action

[split aurora]

but its probably best for everyone involved if no bullets do get fired

and this peters out

[paper cedar]

I agree

[copper monolith]

https://vxtwitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672416171323162624?t=1nM43HHDTZExRoZkAs5SIg&s=19 https://vxtwitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672417914996109319?t=Kxbpu0GJy1WYHJ9aZ9zhAA&s=19 https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1672418041076883458?t=b7ox_LykIlKVCOUCAZzUCQ&s=19

OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical)

Location (47.228891, 39.743252)

Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 1:35 AM

[split aurora]

I saw this floating ~30mins ago, western sources haven't commented on it

[copper monolith]

Fuck Kiril's obnoxious watermark

[split aurora]

so I'm going to assume it's somewhere else / sometime else

until proven otherwise

[copper monolith]

U can probably check one of those 2 telegram accs if those are recent

https://fxtwitter.com/Tendar/status/1672381532642889729?t=JZDe4EXUVgM-iHyw9BO9Vw&s=19

Hello Internet u there I've not moved from this spot in half hr

Hi

[split aurora]

...no I think its very relevant whether "attempted PMC coup of a nuclear armed state" succeeds

[copper monolith]

Yeah, I wouldn't want the pig face to have nukes near my tiny border

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/visegrad24/status/1672412885631266816?s=20

the last thing we need is the Wagner group taking power

[split aurora]

That's one hell of a leap visegrad

BBC and Guardian still saying no proof of any conflict

[copper monolith]

Been taking their posts with a grain of salt, they're like funded by polish gov

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1672407088960618496?s=20

[paper cedar]

At that point I'll say that something is for sure happening

No way there would be so many videos, from so many various of accounts being made

[split aurora]

its the same video being reuploaded

[paper cedar]

We will just get info on BBC and Guardian just a bit later so they can confirm which videos actually are real

[split aurora]

or the same 2-3 videos

[paper cedar]

oh I didn't realize, probably because it's 4am for me rn

[split aurora]

its 3am here

[paper cedar]

I guess you are more awake than me lol

Alright I'ma time skip a bit

I'll see you in 8 hours

[split aurora]

cya

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672350764318990338?s=20

XD

[split aurora]

that's genuinely another significant thing

by road, Moscow is 1100km away

700ish miles

that's a long ass way

okay imma try sleep if my brain will allow me too

[unreal path]

goooodnight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kElSJ8ivqu0

https://fxtwitter.com/financialtimes/status/1672421827505709059?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[leaden grove]

What the hell is going on

Holy damn, I‘m busy for one evening and I just saw the BBC headline

[unreal path]

Unverified claims of Wagner forces sending troops towards Moscow

[leaden grove]

😀

[unreal path]

Which if this is a coup and it's successful, the war is gonna get worse

The Wagner Group things Putin has been too weak with the war in Ukraine

[royal nymph]

https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1672424526573887490

Liveuamap (@Liveuamap)

Tanks on the way to the Russian Southern Military district HQ in Rostov https://t.co/X0cYxQCtKY

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 2:00 AM

[unreal path]

This is a private, ultra nationalist, terrorist, military group

[leaden grove]

Holyyyy damn

[unreal path]

In the past weeks Wagner has actually fired on fleeing Russian troops

[leaden grove]

Yeah I’ve heard of that

[unreal path]

Yeah if you think the Russian military is bad...yeah no they are another level

[split aurora]

@leaden grove as a note, take 5 kilos of salt with anything you see online, the level of disinfo has been astonishing

[unreal path]

Yep nothing is verified by outside trusted sources yet

[split aurora]

bbc summary

[unreal path]

Trusted sources are keeping an eye on the situation tho

[leaden grove]

I‘m aware lol

[split aurora]

Yeah it's just, especially bad tonight :p

[unreal path]

One good thing let's say this is true, and it fails. This could push the depoliticized population of Russia to wake up to reality since it's now at their door steps

One thing you do gotta remember the Wagner group couldn't do as well if they didn't have the backing of the Russian military with especially ammo supplies

[leaden grove]

https://twitter.com/kofmanmichael/status/1672376775714779136

Michael Kofman (@KofmanMichael)

A bad sign for Prigozhin’s support. One question is why we haven’t seen significant Wagner troop movements or actions. RosGvardia deployed, but for all the talk on telegram, whatever this is, it so far seems to be missing much of the actual activity. Tomorrow will be clearer.

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Twitter · Jun 23, 2023, 10:51 PM

[fast cradle]

Excuse me, what?

Mass rape and Genocide isn't enough for these people?

How can you possibly be so far gone in extremism that even genocide is too soft

various elements of Wagner have been linked to neo-Nazism and far-right extremism

That explains it

[unreal path]

yep, they want full out mobilization of the Russian population, they want Putin to be doing even more than I think even Putin is willing to do in certain cases

Wagner is kinda like ISIS in a way. Which if you didn't know ISIS originaly was just a group that was part of Al Qaeda but got kicked out because Osama Bin Laden thought they were too extremeist

when you become too extreme for an extemeist terrorist organization...you know that's bad

[split aurora]

No shortage of video of military material in Rostov, unknown who's side they're on

[split aurora]

yeah western media are more or less accepting that as the situation in rostov

when your PTO doesn't cover military coups

[limber wagon]

I was reminded of this
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55901774.amp

[split aurora]

lmfao

Putin to make a TV address shortly.

[split aurora]

So uh

Wagner kinda waltzed into Rostov

If there was any armed resistance, western outlets didn't report it

Putin to give a speech soon

[vocal wren]

Apparently 70-100 Russian troops joined Wagner's apparent coup

[split aurora]

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1672505632325238784?s=20

Ministry of Defence 🇬🇧 (@DefenceHQ)

Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 24 June 2023.

Find out more about Defence Intelligence's use of language: https://t.co/K6An5jd2B8

🇺🇦 #StandWithUkraine 🇺🇦

Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 7:23 AM

[viral junco]

This will temporarily be to ukraines advantage hopefully, since troops would logically be transported to deal with them from the frontlines

That could help with ending some stalemates

[wicked panther]

And also russian high command being confused might give them the edge in combat, i doubt the russian troops know about any of this happening and even if they did theres not much that would change

[copper monolith]

@split aurora why are you awake

[split aurora]

its 9:20am

[copper monolith]

I landed in Engl*nd an hour ago

[split aurora]

ah nice

[slate linden]

I love a good Saturday morning coup d'état /j

[leaden grove]

https://yle.fi/a/74-20038251

[split aurora]

lots of private jets heading out of moscow

some to turkey, some to st petersburg

oligarchs getting out of dodge

half way to moscow

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1672532958966587398?t=Cwo8cAfin9F98nVC_9Pi5g&s=19

Steve Rosenberg (@BBCSteveR)

Sixteen months ago today Vladimir Putin addressed the nation to announce the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine. He looked supremely confident. 16 months on he addressed the nation again, but in very different circumstances, with an armed mutiny at home.

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 9:11 AM

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672532640698605569?t=R8TEvUMF5huXBMAlvDYp6g&s=19

Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en)

Kadyrov announced that his army is on its way to fight Wagner PMC: military from Chechnya defense ministry and Russian guards already left for the "tension zone". He promised to do everything to keep Russia united and its statehood protected!

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 9:10 AM

[split aurora]

Kadyrov vs Wagner....

can't think of two nastier groups of people anywhere in the world

[viral junco]

We can only hope this decimates both their sides

[gusty tendon]

holy shit is this actually happening

[split aurora]

hey guys i wonder if the road might be closed

[gusty tendon]

this is massive news

[opal cloak]

.

[gusty tendon]

infighting within russia’s reaching a boiling point

[opal cloak]

insert the two idiots fighting meme from tno

[copper monolith]

[opal cloak]

this ain’t just infighting this is a civil war LMAO

[copper monolith]

The simpsons frame of 2 monkeys fighting and a crowd cheering

[split aurora]

me when a hotdog seller goes on to coup a global superpower

[opal cloak]

tno reference?

[split aurora]

no he started his career as a hotdog salesman

he was in prison for theft, left, opened a hotdog kart

then opened resturants

[opal cloak]

💀

nahhhh

[split aurora]

he became personal caterer of Putin

so putin went "want an army lmao"

[copper monolith]

[gusty tendon]

id say insurrection right now, thiugh it could escalate into one if more people pile on

[opal cloak]

…and now putin’s cook has… taken control of two russian provinces.

and is actively fighting towards moscow.

[split aurora]

here he is serving President Bush

[gusty tendon]

what a functional legal system

[split aurora]

Being showed round a children school lunch factory

[opal cloak]

bestie i’m gonna be real this is a lot more than just the legal system

@split aurora

[gusty tendon]

oh i know, its the entire political climate

[split aurora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-66006142
bbc live video feed here 👍

[opal cloak]

make a domino meme: “open a hot dog cart”
to “launch a coup against the russian federation”

dw guys this is actually all a psyop for ukraine, wagner has been a ukrainian paramilitary group the whole time /j

the armed forces of ukraine needs to give prigozhin a medal at this point

[gusty tendon]

“i know we’re losing the war because the victories keep getting closer to home”

[opal cloak]

for his invaluable support in helping ukraine win the war

[gusty tendon]

thats a great quote, don’t remember where i got it though

[opal cloak]

someone pin this this is fucking gold

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/840853853410033684/1122097123329056779/2560px-Wagner_Revolt_map.png

[slate linden]

Why is Wagner even mutinying

[paper cedar]

wow this is actually crazy

[limber wagon]

May this rebellion be nice and disruptive to the Russian war effort

[paper cedar]

I wonder how big of a turning point in war this will be

Imagine this is just some crazy show that Russia is doing just to trick Ukraine to attack earlier

Very unrealistic but that would be some 200iq plan from Kremlin

[split aurora]

Reuters is generally pretty spot on

concerning!

Not hard proof yet ofc, but very concerning

BBC live saying it too, citing Reuters

[paper cedar]

Why is there so little proofs and video footage?

that feels like really low quantity of them

[split aurora]

well there's... been very little action

[paper cedar]

Is it like because Russians don't want to attack Wagner or like something else?

[split aurora]

There's been zero hard proof of any conflict between the two

allegations, but nothing definitive

simplest answer is usually the correct one... theres been very few shorts fired thus far

[paper cedar]

well that's interesting

[split aurora]

If this convoy story is true, it's a monumental escalation

The other difficulty is distinguishing wagner and russian soldiers

they often wear the same uniform, vehicles look mostly the same

[split aurora]

as for this... not a single chance

[paper cedar]

so basically they got the massive camouflage advantage

[split aurora]

not really

im saying its hard for videos

if you have american and russian tanks in a place together, you can immediately visually ID which is which

if you see a video of a russian made vehicle rolling down the street, it can take a lot of time and effort to correctly ID the side

soo you get misinfo spreading, and major reputable publications being very cautious

[split aurora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-66006142

beeeeeg explosion

[split bear]

Is what happening in Russia right now a coup?

[copper monolith]

Just fuckery

[copper monolith]

[split aurora]

(this is the guy the west is pandering to and supporting)

[fast cradle]

As much as I hate Russia, I hope they successfully stop the Wagner group.

As it would just get worse with them in charge.

[split bear]

this certianly sounds like a coup

[split aurora]

320km from moscow

[split aurora]

in 3.5hours they've advanced 130km

at this pace... moscow by midnight

[paper cedar]

Wtf

so like they are really advancing so quickly?

[stable girder]

They not walking

They running at this point

[paper cedar]

How many cars do they use to get there?

[split aurora]

wha

its a huge armoured convoy

[paper cedar]

wait an entire convoy? Okay that's bad

Like I can't even imagine what would happen if somehow Wagner succeeds

Like what if the coup is successful and they successfully take over Moscow?

Like reaction from just Russian citizens will be crazy already because then if Putin is not in power anymore then they will 100% open their eyes a lot more

[split bear]

I do wonder how this all will pan out

[split aurora]

civilian flights out of Moscow are all fully booked out, unsurprisingly

https://twitter.com/oalexanderdk/status/1672580674321108995?s=46&t=F_adeQgH4yDcqkj9tEdkRA

Oliver Alexander (@OAlexanderDK)

You know your 3 day SMO is going great when a year and a half later you are setting up AGS-30 grenade launcher positions on the highway leading to your own capital.

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 12:21 PM

[keen sorrel]

Hey remember that other armoured convoy from the first few days of the war

That one went well, can they beat that?

[split bear]

so what will happen if the coup succeeds?

[split aurora]

this convoys gone from rostov to lipetsk in under a day

somewhere round about 500-800km, can't remember exactly

that's some significant speed for a military convoy

whereas russias convoy in ukraine seemed to be moving no more then a few dozen kilometres per day

A raid on the Wagner office found 4billion roubles... in cash, in cardboard boxes

now I'm not saying that's suspicious...

but I wouldn't keep £37million cash in non-waterproof boxes

[paper cedar]

that's a few roubles

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1672583235757305856?t=X7mselywY4awaL2gjrFlvA&s=19

Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock)

Almost 200k rub ($2,400) for a direct, one-way ticket from Moscow to Yerevan. One seat left. Flights to Istanbul, Tbilisi, etc. are selling out. Muscovites are maybe staging their 3rd mass exodus (after the Feb. 2022 invasion & Sept. 2022 mobilization). https://t.co/frptXDBCWV

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 12:31 PM

[split aurora]

what happened in September I forget

[copper monolith]

Did the tweet cut off for u lol

First round of mobilisation

[split aurora]

oh right yeah

and yeah for some reason it cut off

or I was blind and missed it, both are plausible

they're just charging north at this point

[paper cedar]

they really are half way there now

[stable girder]

Absoloutly ZOOMING

Thats insane

[paper cedar]

I'm unbelievably surprised on what is happening

[paper cedar]

literally

[silk iron]

I stop watching the news for 2 days and this is what happens

[paper cedar]

My friend sent me a few videos that I haven't seen here yet
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494819449212239883/1122180614473396285/wagner_in_rostov_3.MP4
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494819449212239883/1122180615018651728/Wagner_in_Rostov.mp4
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494819449212239883/1122180615496806561/Wagner_in_rostov_2.mp4

[unreal path]

So do we have any outside verification on what's going on in Russia?

[silk iron]

Google maps seems to be the strongest verification, indicating traffic jams up Russia's M4.

[paper cedar]

this is what BBC says

mmm yes

From the logic we had with Kremlin this means Putin did left Moscow

[subtle wyvern]

whatever Russia claims, it's almost always the opposite

[paper cedar]

Yep

And if they don't talk then that means it is not true

[subtle wyvern]

"we will nuke you" they are not going to nuke you

now if they said the opposite, then it would be a problem

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/1672629088886964224?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[unreal path]

Yep, like every time they have said Ukraine has been doing something at the UN Security Council, it was pretty much 100% that they were talking about themselves

[buoyant sundial]

So uhh

There's infighting. But I'm not sure that's a good thing per se. If Wagner wins, they're going to do more far right stuff and probably keep the invasion going. If Russia wins, they're probably going to keep the invasion going, still not properly equipping their soldiers though.

[stark inlet]

😐

[subtle wyvern]

if wagner "wins", prigozhin wont have any backing up

[subtle wyvern]

damn

[split aurora]

Every flight out of moscow has been booked

[split bear]

So things will be bad no matter what

[split aurora]

One way flights to Tbilisi were selling for $2000

[buoyant sundial]

And from what I can tell those are the only two sides to the infighting. There's no third "stop the invasion, actually respect other nation's independence, don't waste resources on BS" group... at least, not yet. I'm sure that if the situation goes further, civilians might start speaking up. I'm pretty sure there are civilians who don't want Ukraine invaded. The issue is, there should ideally be a turning point where the civilians rise up.

[subtle wyvern]

in any case Ukrainians got a good situation on their hands

[paper cedar]

not a good situation, a literal turning point in war

[subtle wyvern]

wdym not a good situation, wagner and russian forces are duking it out, less pressure on UA counter offensive

[split aurora]

A good situation for ukraine, yes

for the... rest of the world, much more debateable

[paper cedar]

I meant it is better than a good situation

[stark inlet]

well prigo stated that ukraine/nato did not threaten russia in any way

and its all russias fault

[split aurora]

But he's supported continuing the war

He's still allowed rostov to lead military efforts

[subtle wyvern]

who is going to support pringles guy anyways

[split aurora]

Prigozhin says army bosses are weak because they are unwilling to use tactical nuclear weapons.

this is who we're dealing with

[stark inlet]

yyyeah

[subtle wyvern]

well in that case yeah

[buoyant sundial]

He's not angry because Russia is doing bad things, he's angry because Russia isn't doing enough bad things

[split aurora]

theres no "good" side here, its multiple groups of the worlds worst people infighting

And now Kadyrov's getting involved

[subtle wyvern]

kadyrovs on putins side

[buoyant sundial]

Yes, that much is obvious. I am pretty sure that, somewhere, there are civilians with an anti-invasion stance, but who won't speak up out of fear of... the obvious.

[split bear]

Oh god
I fear this may lead to WW3

[stark inlet]

true, but its good that theyre now spending resources/manpower to fight between each other

instead of focusing on ua

[split aurora]

cough

[subtle wyvern]

wagner most likely won't be able to achieve much because russia has all the resources

but it will drain russias resources

[split aurora]

I know, but Kadyrov's policy is "schorched earth"

he'll kill and maim anything and anyone in his path

[subtle wyvern]

scorched earth on their own land

smart

[split aurora]

hes spent 20years doing that in chechnya

name a crime, he's done it

[subtle wyvern]

first chechen war, he was fighting for chechens
second war, he sold out

yeah

[unreal path]

One good thing regardless on who wins, hopefully this will start to wake up the Russian people to the fact that conflict isn't just a far away thing

[paper cedar]

^ that is what I hope the most

[buoyant sundial]

It'll also waste Russian resources hopefully, which could force them to surrender peacefully.

[fast cradle]

If Wagner wins it is gonna be worse for Ukraine. As they think Russia is being too soft.

[split aurora]

i dont really think we can make much in the way of predictions, tbh

[fast cradle]

I believe it would get worse given what I read on them.

[split aurora]

they are worse, yes, but thats just assuming a 1:1 swap

theres a whole "taking over the government" between now and then

[subtle wyvern]

they have little general support

[silk iron]

The problem with Wagner winning, is Prigozhin doesn't have many friends in government

[split aurora]

in 1991 communist extremists had complete military control over moscow, but no public support / politician support, so they kinda just... went home

[silk iron]

I don't see Wagner taking control of the Russian state without Russia exploding into civil war.

[subtle wyvern]

putch

[silk iron]

If this is not a civil war already

[subtle wyvern]

russia has more resources than wagner

[split aurora]

the same thing could happen, though this relies on moscow surrendering without a fight

[split aurora]

they're all sat starving in donbass

its a hard one, and conventional "Military strength" logic breaks down

[subtle wyvern]

they still have more than wagner, even if it is nothing much

[silk iron]

Russia is committed in Ukraine

The only force not comitted is the air force

and that can't stop a march on moscow.

Security forces don't stand a chance against a paramilitary force from my knowledge.

[split aurora]

ukranian forces didn't stand a chance against the russian military

conventional military wisdom breaks down quickly

[silk iron]

It's unprecedented

[split aurora]

yup

[silk iron]

it could come down to Russian citizens attitude towards Wagner

[fast cradle]

I don't even get what Russia is trying to do at this point. I know the irredentism and wanting the resources held by Ukraine due to how important they are in global trade.

But at this point, they are destroying the land and urban centres, and destroying its ability to act as an economic centre and source of resources and product.

[silk iron]

if they start committing War crimes against Russian citizens, intentionally or otherwise popular support will flip against them.

[fast cradle]

And if they do win, their methods have laid the groundwork for civil unrest and revolution.

[split aurora]

and then the government brings in Kadyrov

and neutralises that

[fast cradle]

Which would only cause further economic harm.

[silk iron]

It's total war doctrine. It hasn't really worked past WW2 in offensive wars anyway, Russia hasn't learnt that lesson yet since they were on the receiving end of it.

[subtle wyvern]

i misread it

[unreal path]

https://youtu.be/zdeQOfRayoM

[fast cradle]

It especially doesn't work here as it goes against their very reason for wanting to take Ukraine back.

I know they are like "oh, liberty to Donesk and Luhansk, those oppressed by Ukraine" but we all know that is bullshit. They just like them for their ideological view of Russia.

[silk iron]

The Russian forces initially invaded Ukraine to depose of Zelensky's government and install a puppet hostile to NATO/EU and loyal to the Kremlin. That clearly failed by the second week mark (maybe earlier), and they've been entrenched in a War Putin can't afford to politically lose since.

[fast cradle]

Yeah, they wouldn't want to surrender and look weak,

And the way they framed it as bringing liberty to the oppressed would make surrender for economic reasons make them look really bad (to those that believe their story)

[silk iron]

Also if their war was "noble and just", (denazification a fight to purge evil of the world etc.) It's not one which is easy to back out of.

In much the same Way America struggled to back out of Vietnam.

If the War is more subtle nations can make concessions easier.

[fast cradle]

Except with Vietnam at least the government actually believed in it, they think Communism is bad. In this case, they know it is just a lie. It is a cover story

[silk iron]

maybe, maybe not. Depends on the Russian official, some are indoctrinated others... not so much. And there were plenty of cynical Americans who just wanted to profiteer from a new found demand in the arms industry.

but that's neither here nor there.

Unfortunately I'm somewhat educated in historical affairs, not specifically military ones

and I have no idea how this is going to unfold, I hope with the fewest civilian casualties as possible.

[fast cradle]

Same

[silk iron]

My intutition is saying this is going to be a bloody and sordid affair whoever wins.

[split aurora]

this has just popped up, take it with a big pinch of salt, but it's hopeful 🤞

[leaden grove]

Prigozhin just confirmed it

https://twitter.com/arictoler/status/1672658370224873474

Aric Toler (@AricToler)

And it's over, for now -- Prigozhin says he's turning the columns around.
https://t.co/Gpnf52UR9P

Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 5:30 PM

[split aurora]

BBC, 1min ago

[leaden grove]

My honest reaction: Что?? (What??)

[copper monolith]

So what was the point of it all

[split aurora]

My guess, though this is entirely speculation, he's got himself some incredibly lucrative deal

[split aurora]

and shown putin "you aren't in charge of me now"

[leaden grove]

I just listend to his voice message

And there is no mention of a deal whatsoever

[split aurora]

I hot dog seller threatened to coup the entire russian government, thats a statement if anything

[leaden grove]

He basically says that he doesn’t want to spill Russian blood

[split aurora]

why would he announce it publically

[leaden grove]

That’s a good question!

He says it‘s all according to plan

But like

Of course bloodshed was gonna happen, that‘s not a novel insight

And idk what the point of it all was then

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1672659195923972097

max seddon (@maxseddon)

Prigozhin: "Right now the moment has come when blood could be spilled. Therefore, understanding all the responsibility for the fact that Russian blood will be spilled on one side, we are turning our convoy around and going back to our basecamps, according to the plan."

Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 5:33 PM

[split aurora]

A. (Speculation) get a very lucrative deal
B. Ensure Wagner's autonomy, as an independent fighting force

is my guess

[wicked panther]

the warlord who executes fleeing russian soldiers and sends troops into meatgrinders is afraid of spilling blood?

[split aurora]

I very highly doubt the concessions end there

welp

Putin looks incredibly weak

Ukraines marched into the donbass

no blood got shed

...not a particularly bad outcome?

[leaden grove]

Uhhh not exactly

Several aircraft were shot down

[wicked panther]

yeah they shot down a heli didnt they

[split aurora]

There's no independently verified proof of that

[leaden grove]

Multiple helis

[wicked panther]

i saw it in a dream charlotte

[split aurora]

the same sources that claimed helicopters also claimed a large battle for rostov

which uh

definitely happened

[leaden grove]

There you go https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2023/06/chefs-special-documenting-equipment.html

[wicked panther]

my opinion is that this meme is the best thing to come out of the situation

[split aurora]

this is some really shit proof by their standards tbh

im gonna wait for a reputable western source tbh

[wicked panther]

people dont lie over the internet, thats a myth

[split aurora]

this is their proof for one of them

[royal nymph]

This has gotta be bs

[split aurora]

No, it isn't

BBC News

Whatever their reasons may be, that we can only speculate, they've turned around

[keen sorrel]

B-but it's a tweet featuring a screenshot of a cropped telegram message!! What more do you want??

[split aurora]

Don't get me wrong, Oryx do do some good work, I'd just rather have an excess of caution this instance

[wicked panther]

honestly i love adam something but every time he talks about the war in ukraine he mentions he gets his news from twitter exclusively and im always like

[keen sorrel]

At least I assume that's a telegram message, could be any generic website/application with a dark theme that supports text entry tbh

[split aurora]

they claimed it was telegram

in the tweet

absolutely wild 24hours

[keen sorrel]

Kinda boring conclusion if that ends up it tbh

Could've done with that dragging out more to waste resources etc

[silk iron]

Well my intuition is wrong so far.

probably just as well

[split aurora]

thats true

[silk iron]

no civilians dead this way

[split aurora]

but id rather boring then... coup-y

an urban siege of moscow would be absolutely horrific

and mr hot dog seller with spicy uranium bombs would be just as horrific

[silk iron]

I don't think it would be possible with Wagner's numbers

[split aurora]

"world fears hot dog seller will take over a global superpower" is certainly one of the sentences of all time

[keen sorrel]

Notable that mr 😠 said a thing in a video and then actually did the thing

That's a new one

[wicked panther]

lmao mr 😠

so true

[split aurora]

I have a feeling this isn't going to be the last case of russian instability this year

[silk iron]

There's too much pressure, this is large crack in the Russian propoganda machine's façade.

It'll be interesting to see what the Z bloggers think of this one.

[split aurora]

...and Voronezh won't be happy their fuel industry is now

one big fireball

trashing the local environment

[silk iron]

The Voronezh economy fools!

[split aurora]

how will this affect bitcoin

[silk iron]

erm well according to my calucluations...

[split aurora]

bitcoin don't give a fuck

[silk iron]

this will increase "nu", that is volatility, by approximately 2-35% for a time interval of about 5 minutes to 18 months

[paper cedar]

Wait what, I just read everything

uh well

Hey at least Wagner didn't do coup

but at the same time I'm very surprised that it just ended like that

like uh

that was quick and very unexpected turn of events

What will Wagner do now?

[keen sorrel]

Things possibly

[royal nymph]

I’m very skeptical of this development

Prigozhin essentially signed his death warrant if he actually agreed to this

[split aurora]

its been confirmed by belarus, prigozhin, and several international sources

Prigozhin almost certainly has ensured the safety of him, and all his men, and the continued existence of wagner

(I've seen sources claiming this, waiting for more reputable verification)

[silk iron]

This outcome makes the most sense for both Putin and Prigozhin, Prigozhin didn't have the troops to siege Moscow, nor the justification as the voice of the Russian nationatlist if he started committing war crimes against fellow Russians. Putin can't afford to start a fight against an internal enemy with the recent Ukrainian offensive ongoing.

[split aurora]

and for the world as a whole, not a bad result

[silk iron]

less instability thank god.

And it's still favourable for Ukranian forces

[split aurora]

well, massively more instability then 2 days ago

much less then 1 day ago :p

this surely isn't the end of russias internal issues

[paper cedar]

I'll say this is a good case scenario

[silk iron]

probably for most people at least.

[silk iron]

Remember just because a tyrant loses doesn't mean the world wins.

[split aurora]

sure, but we could have lost hard

and we avoided that

either through a bloody urban siege, or a mental case getting spicy uranium

Take this with an entire mine worth of salt

but if true, oh boy

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1672665481055010816
https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1672666158770663424

OSINTdefender (@sentdefender)

According to Russian State Media, Major Changes to the Leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense including changes to the current Defense Minister, Sergei Shoigu and Army Chief of General Staff, Valery Gerasimov have reportedly been Agreed upon in order to Stop the March of…

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 5:58 PM

OSINTdefender (@sentdefender)

These Negotiations are also reported to have included a “Stipulation” that the Majority of Wagner PMC Forces will be Redeployed out of Russia and Ukraine to Africa.

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 6:01 PM

[unreal path]

https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/?id=100351805

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/darthputinkgb/status/1672666395509760002?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

[viral junco]

Actually terrible if shoigu is gone since he's so incompetent

[subtle wyvern]

ah, so he got too scared

[split aurora]

you people have some very silly takes

[subtle wyvern]

yeah it was a shit take, but I wasn't that serious

wonder what deal they made

[viral junco]

Mine are based on like info from before

Since the Ukrainian military would see shoigu as an asset due to his total mismanagement, detachment from reality and all around foolishness

[subtle wyvern]

Shoigu has been working in the government since 1991 no? he is shit at his job, but must be good at internal politics to be able to sit so long in the government

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/status/1672583519132942339?t=K7BfTxtrm7sm-k5otNwnrw&s=19

Sputnik (@Sputnik_Not)

Xi Jinping says China is closely monitoring situation in Russia, notes Vladivostok is historical Chinese territory

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 12:32 PM

[subtle wyvern]

notes Vladivostok is historical Chinese territory
great ally Russia has huh

[copper monolith]

[split aurora]

(joke account)

[subtle wyvern]

really?

[split aurora]

yes

[subtle wyvern]

i mean what else I should have expected

[unreal path]

https://fxtwitter.com/bnonews/status/1672696335005368322?s=46&t=i9HLopbyNnQuo8Sc-XnURg

I have a feeling that guy's days are numbered even after this "deal"

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/MarxInCrisis/status/1672633910922969089?t=ZPeyQJNhO20z5UF6WNXelA&s=19

😼🔮 (@MarxInCrisis)

“We had a good thing you stupid son of a bitch, we had Bakhmut, we had Mariupol, it all ran like clockwork. You could have shut your mouth, cooked, and gotten as much of Ukraine as you needed, but you just had to blow it up, you and your pride and your ego”

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 3:52 PM

[copper monolith]

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1672672550005145600?t=IB8vbrxaG9eIVvERakelfg&s=19

Jimmy Rushton (@JimmySecUK)

Imagine if the CEO of Blackwater publicly declared his intention to march on Washington D.C., shot down multiple USAF aircraft and killed an unknown number of American soldiers, and then was given legal immunity and allowed to maintain his huge private army by the President.🙃

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Twitter · Jun 24, 2023, 6:26 PM

https://vxtwitter.com/ShitpostRock/status/1672626442234912768?t=EAFo3Icnns_Z4BmK6_y3Pg&s=19

[keen sorrel]

Omg a smile

That must've been part of the deal

[copper monolith]

Must've been quite a deal to make him smile

[subtle wyvern]

definitely got something good

[subtle wyvern]

https://www.lrt.lt/naujienos/pasaulyje/6/2020871/mazeikis-mes-nieko-nezinome-apie-tai-kas-ivyko-rusijoje This is a Lithuanian news site, but a TLDR translation is that a university professor makes a point that we do not know anything about what happened in Russia

We have to not forget that a lot of info is coming from Russian sources

And those sources could be Russian troll farms, and some might be owned by wagner

[paper cedar]

Hmm that could be true

[subtle wyvern]

So whatever they doing, all sides are lying a ton and we have to not trust anything they are saying

[paper cedar]

Then who should we trust, just wait it out and be patient?

[subtle wyvern]

Yeah best to wait and see

Feel kinda stupid speculating before, of course Russians are doing something behind the scenes and are lying about it

[paper cedar]

Yeah.. I feel a bit stupid as well

But I'll say it was really fun watching it happening though

or at least entertaining

Like it was such multiple unexpected turn of events

[subtle wyvern]

Yeah, Wagner still blew up shit